97: On Patreon Unlocked - “Nevertheless, She Posted (Guest: Bree Essrig)”

Recorded in late 2024 with content creator/internet historian Bree Essrig and OG hostess Alexis! (Previously paywalled, has audio issues and rich chaotic bisexual energy.) Tune in for personal stories of getting doxxed, wikifeet, queer dating, and more. Also discussion of sex work from a firsthand account, including legalization and pro/cons of in-person vs online sex work!
 
Find Bree on instagram at @breeessrig and check out her 2024 movie “Sugar Baby” ♡

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi, hello, and welcome to Sad Girls against the Patriarchy.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm Allison, and I'm Alexis and I'm Bree, and we
are your sad girls.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
She picked that up so fast, you guys, I'm already crying.
Oh yea, so sad.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is the most fucking chaotic day. Start everything. Bree
has been a champ.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You're welcome.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
It's not my fault, but I do have a bad energy, I.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Promise you it's me.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
Like when we talk about this, I was like, look,
you do you but like I'm like I just knew
in my heart of hearts, like this is not gonna go.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I know I should have warned you in advanced technology
hates me. They hate to see me coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We just yeah, we're in a new space and we
had some tech issues. But we had Alec, our sound engineer,
who was kind of like a comic book character to me.
We tested the mic. I loved it so much. She
would go, hello, hello, you did that yo? Like total
sweetheart but very lovely. Yeah, probably stoned. Oh did you

(01:25):
not smell twenty four to seven?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Right when you walked in.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Yeah, Like I opened the doors like whoa he was like,
you got this right?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
And I go to bed and I was like, take
me with you. I want to smoke. I'm ready to
blaze up.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, as you can tell, we have a fabulous guest
here today, we have Bree.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
How do you pronounce your last name? S Ray?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
S Ray? Like ass rag? Oh sure, Ri, I'm following.
I see it's easy, Yeah, of it?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
She is, Well, why don't you I don't want to.
I don't want to introduce you. Why don't you tell
us about yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, where do we get I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Actually supposed to introduce you part of my job.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
No, it's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
It's like trying to describe to my mom what I
do and say it in the most appropriate terms. I'm
basically a content.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Creator but also a sex worker.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, and I've been making all sorts of online content
for so long now that I don't even know what
I do anymore, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, one of those jack of all trades master of fun.
I won't finish the phrase though, I'll just do the
beginning part.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think it's actually finished with better than a master
of one. Yes, that's one of those things. And like
blood is thicker than water.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Is also a misunderstanding, because it's that one. I don't know,
blood is thicker than water.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Something about the blood spilled on the battlefield with your
homies is like thicker than something about like placenta.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Maybe I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, but you're right, though I've heard that that is
often misquoted.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's the wrong interpretation. Actually, meeting your homies that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Like you've spilled blood with are closer than family.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, it's closer than your mom.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I mean, I don't know where the water park comes
in exactly. That's why I thought of pregnancy. But I'm
just gonna We're just gonna move on.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
I also like to drink my chosen family.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I did scro back on your page because I was
just curious your trajectory in life and on the Internet.
And I did see some very fun like fetish infantry
of ig mary internet sitting on a cake, kind of
a vibe some feet things.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I was like, Okay, yeah, I see how you got
so popular.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm big in the foot world.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, Elesis is actually featured on a wiki feet Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
A three out of five reading.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Damn, we got to get that up. How can we
How can we increase your rating? I know that is upsetting.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I don't even The thing is I don't have I
hate feet and I.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Don't hold out of open toad shoes or anything.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
So there's like four pictures on the entire internet of
me and open toad shoes, and it's on this wiki feet.
That's someone curating on my behalf and I got three
out of five.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I'm like, look, I got some qute feet. This is bullshit,
you do.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I have seen your feet. Thank you very nice.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Doesn't matter who you are, they will find you.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
The people will find you. Yeah, I found that, and
they will worship you whether you like it or not.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, apparently they're not. I don't like what is it.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
It's like the three out of five is like they're okay.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
I'm no longer on wiki feet just because most of
my content has watermarks on it.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
And so I pay a surface to scrub everything with
the watermark on it.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
So unfortunately my wiki feet rating is no longer.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, you do have to create an account to vote
on wiki feet. Yes, we learned, because I wanted.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
To boost your rating, but I didn't want to make
a wiki feeed account.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I didn't want that associated with my IP address.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'll make one and i'll boost it for you.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Thank you, you, you're welcome.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Was just googling my name, you know, yeah, I do
from time to time, just to make sure there's nothing,
you know, nefarious out there.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
And it was like this. It was like my IMBB
and then I feel that so hard gitty Facebook or nothing?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Okay, Wow, you should see if you're on the booted blog,
have you ever worn boots on your page?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Probably regular?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Just the yeah, yeah, that's my only footwear. You might
have a high score on that one.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
All right, Well there's hope for me yet. Guys, we're
learning so much. This is fabulous. And you wrote a
movie recently.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Did Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Is that? What's that about?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
That?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
So it's called sugar Baby and it is loosely based.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Off of when I was a sugar baby okay, And
it's about a woman who she takes.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
An offer for thirty grand move in with her sugar
daddy for the week, but when she gets to his mansion,
she realizes that there is already another sugar baby trapped there.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
No, it's a neurotic thriller. So it's very campy, very hot.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
That sounds so fun.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
I watching the trailer for it, and I was like,
this sounds like a hoot and a half.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It looked really fun, and I.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Was like, that's kind of hot. And then I was like,
oh no, it's scary.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
It looks really good. And I was like, I'm very
proud of her for writing this movie. Yeah, it's not
too I know, I know that was really difficult. I
cannot believe it happened.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Truly, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Is it out? People go see it.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
It is out. It's out on Prime and Apple and
on demand. Damn, those are big. Those are big.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Those, I mean those.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
You do have to rent it. It's not streaming quite yet.
It's not free.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
You do you think we could hired it?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I will do that.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I will send you a link.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, I wouldn't do it. I mean I would like
send you money.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Now.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
You should hirate it, Honestly, you should. I'm a big
believer in pirated are Like as an artist, I still
think people should pirate like I I mean, are should
be accessible for people, straight.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Up, thank you, straight up.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I also just sort of feel like it it's a
sign that you've arrived if like people are stealing your stuff.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
I mean, we didn't make this movie to make money.
We knew probably wasn't gonna make any money.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
So yeahn't art is not.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
No, we just wanted to make something like for and
buy sex workers. Hell crazy so and that women would
actually respond.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
To the misandrist community, which I don't know, it's loosely
a community. It's just a bunch of angry people online.
But they're very swarf and turfy I've learned, which was
a huge disappointment. Yeah, my followers can be such dicks
sometimes and I'll post something that's pro sex work and
they're like, you're just subjugating yourself to men and perpetuating

(07:47):
the patriarch.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Like it's complicated.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Okay, it is complicated, especially because feminists, and I am one,
they act like women are always a victim and like
sometimes you know, sex isn't something that just happens to us.
We enjoy it, you know, Like I'm so to go
acting like sex work is so like poor me, because
it's not. I chose to do it and I really
like doing it, and yes it does cater to the

(08:11):
male gaze, but the reasons behind why we do it
is it's different, I mean different for everybody.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
So yeah, we did a couple episodes on that, and
in the question of like is it empowering or is
it degrading, it's like, no, it's a secret third thing. Yeah,
it's very unique to each person. I tried being a
sugar baby. I could not do.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I was so bad at it, that's all. I do
not have the right temperament for No.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
I tried doing it in my thirties because I did
it in my twenties and I was so amenable and like, yes,
of course, but in my thirties I do not have
the patience at all.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I was just like a show. Shut the fuck up, Please,
don't talk at me. I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Sex work is hard everybody.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Also, I love that you called it swerve inter That
is so funny.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
I didn't mean to make that joke, but I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's here, but our oh my gosh, our neighbors are
loud and I'm on my phone. I forgot to tell
everyone that. So when my audio quality sounds wildly different,
that's why. And it's okay, because you know, girl bosses
do what they gotta do.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Thanks. I was going to say something else that I
got distracted. Oh yeah. The podcast listeners, though, are not
like that.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
We have noticed that our Sad Girls are a much
sweeter community because there's there's definitely overlap.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
But not one.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't think all of our listeners are quote unquote Missandras.
They're more of just the feminist internet user types cells.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I love a cell.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't know how I identify yet if I'm
Missandrass or fem sell or whatever, but I'm I definitely
hate men.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So I feel like my whole job is to be nice.
Well not all.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I don't have to be nice to all of them.
Some of them I get to be really mean and
they pay me more to be mean to them.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
See, I feel like that's the only sex worker.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
I think I could maybe do it, Like I haven't
tried to do it, but I feel like maybe because.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's like, do I just get to like be mean
to you?

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yes, you could ignore them and just get money. You
should find them.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I a dream.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm like, I would do that, Like I would, I
would totally do that.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I've experimented in that world a little bit through the
miss and Just Memes page, but they kept wanting me
to talk to them was the problem, and I kept
having to.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Engage with these people. I'm like, no, no, no, here's the thing.
I'm not going to talk to you. That's it.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And you're also going to send me back.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, And they're like, wait, are you gonna like shame
me grave me? I've gotten like me.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I'm sure you have much more interesting stories than this,
but like poems, like really long poetry written about me
and just this kind of adoring.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I've never actually.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Read it on the podcast, mostly because I hadn't thought
about it until now.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
But also I feel bad for this guy because I
think he's a kid.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think he's like nineteen, and he wrote me a
very long love poem.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
It rhymed.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh hell, it was bad.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
It was so bad.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Why didn't you want to degrade him?

Speaker 6 (11:05):
I'd be like, this most disgusting piece of shit I
have ever read my entire life.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I call us a poem.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think I did something like that. But also he wanted.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
It correct the grammar. It's all you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
It was really bad. Sometimes if you're like.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I don't want to talk to them, you just send
them pictures of you flipping them off.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
That shuts them up.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
See, I'm like writing this down mixed middle finger up.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Great. We haven't face revealed with the podcast at all
because we are concerned about in cells. I've gotten some
threats through the mean page that I think are not
based to anything.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
But have you had any experiences like that?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, stocks, I've been stocked, I've been assaulted.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
It's I've been through it all, and yet I keep posting.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Just my thirst for attention is just it goes beyond
all of those things.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Like Hillary Clinton, I know, like what was.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Never the last persisted?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Nevertheless, she posted.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's a T shirt.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
I have such a great community of like friends and
like especially women and like non binary people that I've
met online that I post for them.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's all for them, right that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Is that your secret?

Speaker 6 (12:29):
You think to like making content is to not think
about all the other bullshit and like views and stuff.
It's like, what would my friends like to watch?

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, although my friend I don't. I don't know because
my friends are all so different. It's like my internet
what were my internet friends like? Because we all met
and bonded over the fact that we are super fans
of things, and like my real life friends aren't necessarily
super fans of things, like they're a little too.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Cool to be.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
I understand, yes, so deeply. I was gonna I have
like a backup question to ask, you know. I was like,
just went through your content, I can tell you were
a Tumblr girly.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, I'm like, oh, thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Noticing I was like, we got dressed up a sid
from Skins and I'm like, oh my god, this is
taking me back so hard, and.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
All your Harry Potter stuff. I was just like, oh
my god, it feels suessen right now. Yes, I love that. Well.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
I'm such a super fan of Skins obviously, and one
of my good friends Meg was on the show Skins
and we met on Instagram because I was like, hey,
I'm such a huge fan of you and you're a
sex worker too. We should collab one of these days.
And so I went to England just to collab with
her and we did like an OnlyFans collab and it
was amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And now she's one of my close friends and I'm.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Like, sorry that, like I am a super fan, Like
that's just gonna have to be part of a friendship.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
You're just gonna have to know that about me, and
she's like, yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
That's so great though that like, yeah, being a nerd
has garnered career opportunities and friendships.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'm so lucky.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
So uh because a lot of men would not be
able to turn this into a career.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
That's true. Yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Just a hobby for them. But I found a way
to capitalize off of it.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
They could become like a streamer, right, like they could Okay,
I feel like that's the male equivalent sort.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Of podcast hosts. Podcast many male podcast hosts.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Well, I'm just saying, look, there's opportunities for Yeah, it's
just different.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
And it's also the ones we have.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
It would be harder for them to slide into people's
dams though, and be like I'm such a fan, like
I want.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
To be your friend for that one thing.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I just invited you on and you said yes, and
you're in LA and that was perfect. It was just
because I like your content and you've reposted some memes.
Oh and I have a friend who was very fan
girl and she's like a free follows you. That's so
cool and like, I know.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
That's so sweet.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean all my friends, like I meet online
it's great.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
We just had Paul Telfer, an actor from.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Days of Our Lives.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
That is so cool because you followed yeah yeah, and was.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Like replied to Alice and shit like all the time
banking stories.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know, when someone is actively engaged, she can tell.
And so I messaged him to be like, what are
you doing on this page?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
What are you doing here?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
He's married, he's straight, says white man.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It was like, exactly not the person I would expect
to engage with miss Anders' content.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
And it turns out he's.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
A fucking woke g ass feminist, a really great guy
and a sweetheart. And my therapist I told her all
about it and she was like I thought you were
going to say and it being insufferable and so annoying, Like, no,
he's great.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, I feel like, yeah, a lot of guys that
follow me are that way too, so I'm grateful for
them as well.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I love that they recognize your greatness.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, and the rest just want to mansplain and correct
me on everything.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
They wait for me to fuck up.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
They're literally just waiting for me to say or do
something so that they can jump in and correct me.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Or try to make a better joke, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
And then I will go back.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
I will like, I won't let them have the last word, though,
I have to make a better joke on top of it.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Always should you gotta. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
The nice thing about being a page admin is that
you have the ability to just delete anyone's comments or
restrict them so they're commenting but no one else can
see it. You can give yourself the last word. Oh,
just artificially you want. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
It is.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Is that the same kind of guy who's like, oh,
you're into this band name five songs?

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Ye have been diagrams of circle on that one.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
It's it's like the political guys. It's like guys who
like vote against women's best interests.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
But they will still follow all the coolest.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Women you know, right, Yes, why I don't know, because
it doesn't affect them and they doesn't hear them.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
They live in a little bubble where they're like, oh no,
my groceries are too much, which is all I've heard
from the last election.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
The milk is expensive.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's like, oh my.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
God, but there's other things at stake, but you're buying
my of content, so obviously not.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, have you found partners who are comfortable with everything
you do, or do you tend to get people who
are jealous?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Has that been an issue?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's not been an issue for me yet. Okay, I
don't know if it will.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Every partner I've had is very accepting of it, although
I find myself not shrinking necessarily, but more like I'm
just like more cognizant of how if they were to
see the content, Like most of the partners with are
like I just don't want to know, Like I know
what you're doing, and the less I know, the better,
And I'm like, okay, So then I try to make
sure that my content.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Is like if they did see it, they'd be like, okay.
But most of my partners will like film stuff for.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Me, Oh okay, that's yeah, They'll be like the hand
in the video, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Although of has.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Cracked down and now every single person, like any loose
body part from somebody, has to have their own account.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Now, oh shit, my god, that seems unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I know. I've heard that there isn't really as much
money in that as people think. It sounds like you
got in early, which is always the thing to do
with something that blows.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Up like that.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
But people see it as this like get rich quick
scheme for people, and it's just not it's not that.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
No, if you want to get rich quick, it's in
person sex work. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend that. I wouldn't
recommend either, to be honest, unless you are willing to
put in so much work up front and post publicly
with your real name, and you're you have to promote
yourself every day on social media.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's why I.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Don't tell people to do it, because a lot of
women will like slide into my DMS and be like, hey,
I was thinking about doing like foot picks, and I'm like, yeah,
but no one's gonna find you unless you say that
you're doing foot picks. And if you don't want anyone
to know about that, then you're not going to make
any money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I always worry about my family listening to this podcast.
At some point, I'm pretty sure you told my sister
about it while I was drunk, but I'm not certain.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
So I worry about it.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't get into this so much, but I kind
of tried dabbling in all these worlds just as like.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
I'm a prack lady. I like to make money. I
like to take advantage of men. Why not?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
And yeah, that's what I saw is just a lot
of relationship building with people. They're not just gonna buy
your panties, Like they need to know that you're a
person and that you have a face and you have
this whole personality behind it. It's more intense than people think.
I think you have to be a certain type of
person to be good at that totally.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Like if you're if you came to me and you're like,
I need to make money quick, I would be like,
go to Footnight, which is these events are like all
over the United States, every major city has a foot Night,
which is a foot fetish worship event.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
This is great, I know, and you can make a
couple hundred bucks in one.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Day really ugly feet though, like they're not. I don't think.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
There's something for everybody. You'd be shocked, you would be shot.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
You do have to get.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Approved, okay whoever is running said event.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, there's like safe in person events that I would
recommend first before you start doing online stuff because that
stuff is up there forever.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's really great advice for people.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I'm sure we have some listeners who are interested in
this world fotnight.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Is it like n I G H T Like.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, yes, it is exactly how it is.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Like Fortnite or something not an I T E. No,
Like no, I'm thinking like a K N I G.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Footman.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
But it's just an armor. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Why don't we take our first break. I think it's working, guys.
I think so is being such a good sport. Thank

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you for being chill as we fight for our lives.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
My God, of course, thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I also keep talking over you, which I do what
I'm just like, my brain is not working right, so.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Oh I'm neuro divergence. So I did not notice. I
probably am doing that too.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
The first like a couple episodes we recorded, Alison, it's like,
I keep talking over you and I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm like when I like, when did that happen?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I edit it though, so I listened back, I'm like, God,
damn it, Allison, shut your fucking mouth.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's I mean, that's natural conversation.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Though.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
It's like I was listening to a podcast where it
was the podcast host and she had her person who
usually edits on is like her co host during that
episode and she was like, yeah, like natural conversation. There's
so many episodes where like everyone's talking over each other,
and then I have to like splice it where it's
like everyone's not talking over each other, and it's just that's.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Not how real things work.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
But if you listen to a podcast where it's just
like a cacophony of like yelling over each other, no
one wants to listen to that either.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
So it's a very delicate process and thank you.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
For what you do.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm very happy to do it. I'm also too controlling
to let anyone else do.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
It as much as the thing that is so true.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
No, it's fine, Like I'm usually like the one that
has to do everything. So when Alison's here, I'm like,
it's so nice to have a break and someone like
wants to take over and do everything because usually I'm
that Person's like, no, I have to do it, Like
I'm usually.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That person, So thank you for doing that.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
We're a good team and I can't imagine doing this
podcast with anyone else.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
When I was starting it, I was like, who should
be the co I mean a Lexus, that'd be cool.
And now it's like, how could it possibly be anyone else.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Really, just get me right now.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, and then we have real guests, and we recorded
in real studios.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Even I'm on my phone.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
It is legit legit.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Yeah, it's sort of, I mean kind of was it
didn't go super smoothly, It's okay. I wanted to ask
your question because we've had a little bit of back
and forth speaking of sex work. What do you think,
in your opinion is the best way to navigate sex work,
like legally, Like we've had some people go back and
forth on like the Nordic model or if they want
like pure decriminalization, Like what, in your opinion do you

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think is like the safest and or best way legally
we should navigate.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
It decriminalized for sure, Okay, not fully legalized unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Okay. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
I see why people want. There's so many different reasons
things could be good or bad. But I think the
general consensus with most sex workers is ste krim Okay.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Yeah. And do you think that's just because because I
always was under the impression before all of this, I'm
like open to like having regulation would be the safest route,
just to like have some sort of I guess accountability
of something if it was to happen or like to
keep people safe, But is there like a reasoning of
like that's not going to keep people safe?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Essentially, It's a good question.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
I mean, so many people have different answers about this,
but I know when I was doing in person, I
was I think the biggest thing that I was afraid
of wasn't like, oh, you're gonna get arrested, but it
was mostly just like I felt like this internal shame
and guilt and I'm like, what you're doing is really bad.

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And then the more I did it, the more I
was like, why is this bad again? Like can someone
actually tell me why this is bad? I'm being really
safe about this, and I think the leation it would
be unsafe for women, it would just make men able
to capitalize off of it more. God, and the whole
point is that women are making their own or people

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are making their own bag off of their own bodies.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
So well, I support that, Yeah, sure, I just was
always on the.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Impresion I'm like, but I want people to be like safe.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
And like, yeah, someone does, because like my understand too.
It's like if someone were to because I've heard of
terrible court case. Like if someone were to assault like
a sex worker or something like because it's illegal, it's like, well,
we're not going to do anything about it, like no
one gets any repercussions, or even cases where if a
sex worker gets like sexually assaulted and they were like,
well you're sex worker, so it's not actually rape. Things

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like that happening where it's like oh fuck, yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
I mean, unfortunately that happens to people who are civilians
all the time. Like that happens to me more when
I'm a civilian rather than a sex worker. So I
don't think people believe women anyway, unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
So true, like in any context sucks.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
The bottom line is when aren't believed or I think
we're respected or treated as people.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
I will say I do know some people in law
enforcement who when they do these sting operations to bust
like these prostitution rings, they rarely arrest the sex workers,
but they go after the pimps.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Yeah, and that's what I see a lot is like
we're that's sort of the current model that we have.
We're not really busting sex workers that are like on
the street. Yeah, We're more busting the johns that are
trying to pick them up totally. Is obviously preferable, it.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Is, and that also kind of sucks.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
But like, I mean, it's just like there's there's a
lot of good things and a lot of really bad things.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
So yeah, that's why I'm like what, I'm like why,
I don't know. It's sort of like a pick your
poison to me.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
I really don't know, but I do know that there's
like some people on TikTok who are getting like canceled
over their opinions on this matter.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
It's it's really divisive.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
I mean, it's a big thing that's split up multiple
waves of feminism, I know.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
And because I don't really do in person anymore, I
feel like I don't my opinions like not at not
as valid.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, it's my opinion's valid, but in this specific instance,
I feel like maybe I'm not the person to talk
to about this.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
But again, TikTokers are the canceled who are in person
who are like no legalization, yes, legalizations.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So it's just it's very dided.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I have a friend who does in person sex
work who says no to legalization because they just don't
want police more involved in anyone's lives.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
That is a big thing. Yeah, we don't want the
government involved exactly.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
But and then people will like sign into my DMS
and be like do you you don't even fucking pay
taxes and blah. I'm like, yes, I do. I pay
more than you have ever paid in your whole life.
Where is this energy for billionaires?

Speaker 4 (26:50):
So true, like they always.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Come for sex workers.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
You don't pay your taxes, you don't contribute, And I'm like, literally,
go to any go to any male sex worker first
of all, and go into their DA and see the difference.
Like girth Master talks about it all the time. He's like,
my comments are so different from every woman I work with,
And it's true. All they do is shame us, and
women tell us that we're bad feminists. And then you

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go to men's comments and they're like fuck, yeah, dude,
you're awesome. High five, and all the women are like
and all.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
The women are like, I love you, I love your work.
It's just like so different.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I think a lot of it has to do with
people being mad that women are owning their own sexuality
because we're taught, like you were saying, like women don't
like sex and it's something that's done to us, and
that's been the idea. So the idea that A, we
like it, and B we're we know that you like it,
so we're we're capitalizing off you. They don't like being

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the vulnerable person. They don't like being the person that's like,
oh shit, now I'm kind of on the other end
where I'm the like, less powerful one, and I think
they don't like that because you're you're the one in
control for the most part.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Totally.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
I mean, the way it started for me was not ideal,
and I I do understand why some feminists would say, like, oh,
you're forced into this industry, and in a way I
kind of went like online sex work. I was kind
of forced into because people were making deep fakes of
me and selling that Jesus I know, and so I
was like, fuck that men were making men were making

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deep fakes of me, and they were selling them to
each other, and so I was like absolutely not. So
then I was like, here, if you're going to see it,
you're going to see it from me. It's going to
be the real thing, and you're going to pay me.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
So that's how it started.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
But I continue to do it because I genuinely like
doing it right. There are things about it that are
super empowering that I know a lot of people don't
want to hear that, but it's the truth. Like I
get to make my own schedule, I get to travel,
I make a lot more money than I did at
any other job that I've ever had. But yeah, it
fucks with my mental health a lot because the way

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men speak to me is horrific. I wouldn't wish it
on anybody. I have to look at my body a
lot more than most people ever look at their bodies.
So I'm a hypercritical of everything I do, everything I say,
so like for that reason. Yeah, I mean, it fucking sucks.
But I'm also I've been a content creator since I
was in high school, like since I graduated from high school,

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and so like, people have always been really mean to
me on the internet. So it's like there's no real
difference between that and sex work.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It's kind of like the same same thing.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
I see what you mean.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, I'm gonna get bullied regardless.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position. Yeah, when
you put yourself out.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
There into the world in some public sphere, that's what happens.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Unfortunately, it is unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Although I will say now I feel like people are
a lot nicer because they just don't have the patience
to leave mean comments. They just they just immediately scroll past,
which I am grateful for that.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's something, you know, it is that's nice. And being
able to moderate comments. I don't know how much time
you had. I know you have a higher volume of
interaction online than I do. But do you think being
able to delete comments and just just moderate the shit
out of your comment section it's a nice feeling.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's so nice. I love blocking exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
That's what I'm saying. Hundreds of people blocked, you don't
exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, bye bye, Yeah access to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
When people are like you're blocking me, you're blocking someone,
like I've had that, there's surprise.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Where it's like they contact you from another account, like
I think you blocked mer deleted something.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
It's like, of course, I'm not gonna let you stress
me out on my phone.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, it is my world right here, it's my universe totally.
You don't belong in it.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, what got you started content creating in high school?
It's a great question. So I went to a performing
arts boarding.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
School for high school, and I studied film and I
was making like short films and then YouTube was blowing
up then, obviously, and so right when I graduated, I
started making videos on YouTube. And then I was like
dabbling in sketch comedy, which is cringe, but.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I mean at the time was at the time it
was possible.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Then there we've all been there, and I was doing
improv and so I was working with like a bunch
of groups and we all had different channels, and I
really did join at the perfect time. It was like
twenty eleven when I really took off on YouTube. So yeah,
and then I just my only regret is not starting

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the online sex work earlier, because like I was building
this YouTube following and they were like, you know, half
the comments were like, oh my god, You're so funny,
and then the other half were like shut up, shut up,
and take.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Off your clothes.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
And I was like, I kind of should just shut up,
Like I could be like a multi millionaire right now
if I had just shut up and taken off my clothes.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
But you know, for some time, we learned learn you
had to be in the right headspace for that or
I guess something.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I had to force you into it, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
It was unfortunate, especially because like I wanted to do
this work earlier. Like I remember when I was I
was working at the Young Turks a while ago, which
is a political news network.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Oh my god, you know the song?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I feel like you and Alexis have like similar origin
Internet stories.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
We'll talk talk, I could tell I do know Hasan Yeah,
he worked there when I worked there, and his uncle
obviously owns.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
But during that time, like a lot of people like
free the nipple movement was happening, and I was like, oh,
I would say on air. I'd be like, oh I can't.
I really want to free the nipple, like it's all
I want to do, and the comments were like do it.
I was like one of these days when I'm ready,
and I just like, now I'm realizing, Oh, I really
did want to do it early.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, so good. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
I think the environment was different though, Like I think
we've come quite a long way in like accepting sex work.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Mm hmmm, so so true. Maybe maybe it was the
right time for you.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Maybe it was I had a friend who wasn't my
friend at the time.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
It was like.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
My my coworker's girlfriend at the time, she was like
a cam girl, and I just remember being like, ugh,
like that is so like, that's so achy grading And
then I watched her content and I was like, this
is so hot and so cool. Holy shit, she looks
so good. She's so confident. Men love her, women love

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like I was just like so blown away, and I
was like, oh, I had this so wrong. So then
after that, I was like, this is very cool. I
wish I was brave enough to do it. But then
you know, it took a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
There's definitely for myself to have been an evolution of
what I think is pro feminist or whatever.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I mean. I just had such stupid ideas as a
high schooler, Like I.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Don't know, I raised in a backwards kind of way,
but like I thought that a woman getting implants was
not like that. I looked down on that, like, oh,
like really, you just don't think you're good enough and
you're just trying to cater to the male gaze. And
now it's like, girl, do whatever the fuck you want
with your body.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Liked to judge.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yes, I'm so pro plastics or like it's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
I'm like, yes, modify your avatar and do what you
gotta do avatar.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm stuck in this thing and make it look I
wanted to.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Get up here saying get a tattoo, you know what
I mean, like, do something, spice it up.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I just gonna have your avatar like this forever, yeah,
or something.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
That's how I feel like. I have a lot of friends. Weirdly,
I have a lot of friends that don't have tattoos,
and like, oh, I just want to like make sure
it's something that like I want to keep on my
body forever. I'm like, I just like, don't have that mentality.
I feel like I'm just like throwing on there and
give a ship.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
But I can die tomorrow, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Get it lasered off eventually. Who can in the.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Process of getting a tattoo removed. Yes, it's been four years.
Though it has been four fucking years. It is not
supposed to take this long.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
No, you got fucked over.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I got fucked over.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
My tattoo artist he was recommended by a friend, but
she had only done one little thing with him, and he.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Was talking about how he is like battling his.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Heroin addiction, like during my appointment that was a red
flag also Ian Huntington Beach, which is like, why area.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Second red flag? I should have run.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I was having an episode, so it really all seemed
like a great idea at the time. And when he
was tattooing me, it smelled like burning plastic or something.
He told me he was testing out new equipment another
red flask.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Oh, I should have walked out at any of these moments,
and I was just like, the universe is just aligning
as it should, and this is all happening exactly as
it's meant to unfold.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Are you going to get another one on top of it?

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Well, they're so big.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I'd have to do so much to cover it, because
I thought about covering it, but it would just have
to be so much.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And after they healed, it looked like a stick and
poke like. It looked spotty. It didn't look like line
work as I wanted, so tried getting it touched up.
And that's part of why it's taking so long, is
because it's like two tattoos layered on each other with
a touch up. Wow, okay, and it feels like burning grease.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Dripping on your skin to get it removed.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I've done like lighting shots and numbing creams and it helps,
and ice helps too, but it hurts like hell and
four years and it's still there.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
So be cautious everyone, Okay, I take it back.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Really think about what you're gonna do to your avatar.
Don't just make a relly nilly discision.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's why I haven't had my nose done.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I hate my nose, but I'm so scared if I
do something to it, I'm gonna hate it more.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
And you can't fuck with your nose too much? Is fine?
It's too big, It doesn't it's not a good nose.
It's good from the side. Just only look at me
in profile for.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Oh my god, I feel that so hard. Though I
got my nose done.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
It looks good better than mine.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
I always recommend non surgical if you can, though before
and then see if you like it, and.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Then do it.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
What are they There is something they can do non
surgically for your nose, right, yeah, shaving or something or
what do they do?

Speaker 5 (36:50):
I don't know. They add the filler and it looks
I don't know what it is, but it looked like
it slims it down for some reason.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I yes, probably put the filler somewhere so it like
moves this. Yeah, they built it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
That's yea.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
It is scary, actually very scary.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Probably actually very dangerous too. And now that I think
about it, there's a lot of nerves in your nose.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
They all are the whole face. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
That said, I've riddled with friller everywhere.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
I'm like like, yeah, I just need to get my
botox appointment one, like we do botox and bran.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, if you ever want to join us for photos
and brin hell, yeah you double it up.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
I have to do disport now though, because regular botox
no longer works.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Doing it for too many.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Years it works.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, it just like absorbs faster and you.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Start needing more and more and more, and then it
gets a point where like it doesn't really do anything
because it's like a toxin.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
So it's like you're slowly building up a tolerance to a.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Toxin that is.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, it's like in a movie where it's like they
can drink the poison because they've like developed a that's definitely.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Happened in movies before Princess Bride.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
It's just so nuanced because it's like, yeah, on the
one hand, you shouldn't have to worry about what your
face looks like, but how can we live in a society.
But on the other hand, like, if someone doesn't give
a shit about their appearance, I don't give a ship,
Like that's their business, there's nothing to do with me,
and I don't even care.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah, there's like a lot of people are saying like
less body positivity, more body and I.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Totally agree with that.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I agree too.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, you shouldn't have to believe your body is beautiful
and maybe it's not.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
And who gives a ship, Like it's not the most important.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Thing about you you decide to prioritize it, or if
you work in an industry that prioritizes it, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, I am tired of pretending like I'm happy with
my body because I'm fully not.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
That is and that is okay.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
That's fine, Yeah, exactly, very few people are. It was
just with a friend the other night who was like,
I hate being so skinny and I can't put on
weight and I have no curves and I hate my
body and she's just like model fit and I'm like.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, cool, yeah, like okay, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
It's just so true. But that's how you know though too.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
It's like nons are really like a look great, but
neutrality is that's what I think took it for me
because it's like I struggled, especially like growing up in
the two thousands and.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Like watching tire banks all like size.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Eight woman fat.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
No, my gosh, I am a disgusting beached whale. Looking
back now, I'm like, oh my god, it's great, but
it's just like into my just like this is me,
Like I'm gonna try to take care of myself and
like be cool with that. But I feel like clothes
helps a lot, just like buy clothes you really like,
oh yeah, you could be like I look good in
these clothes that are good.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
I also just feel like, because I'm really attracted to
like fat people, like I I don't want to ever
make anybody else feel bad because I hate myself.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Like if I'm using words against myself and then that
inadvertently hurts somebody.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Else, that sucks. Yeah, So I'm just gonna shut the
fuck up about it and just like try to be
okay with with it.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah, And I no promises, you know, no promises, but
I'll try.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah, that's all we can do.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, but it's a lie that people won't be attracted
to you if you are not super thin.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm lied that for a long time.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, that's what they want you to believe. Man, Yeah,
it is.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
It totally is like the same rules that I apply
to myself, they don't apply to anybody else.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, exactly, right at all.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
It's it's tough. Being a human sucks.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
It's so hard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I saw a meme that was like having a body
is like dragging a dead deer up a hill.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I think about the whole a lot. That is exactly
how it feels.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I just started telling people like my executive ysfunction
is making things hard, because that's a much more vanilla
way of saying like I'm absolutely going insane and everything
is a struggle.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
And I just said that he's fucking christ. I guess
just knock something. Ever, it's fine, and so that tabrio.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I was like, I'm just having a hard time with
last stuff right now, and everyone's been really nice about
it too. I think there's something to that of just
telling people like when you're having a hard time human ing, yes,
because everyone does.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
We just don't talk about it.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I know we should, we really should, or you could say,
my executive dysfunction is functioning perfectly.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I thought that was really funny. That is good, and
we love to hide behind humor when life is terrible, and.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
The people who get it will get it, and then
the people who don't won't have any idea what you're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
So it's fine.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Exactly either way. You're winning. Yes, do you? I guess
it doesn't matter, are you. No? I don't like any
of those tracks go down. I had a couple of tracks.
I don't like either of them. I didn't take it
back and relaxis you say something.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Wait now, I'm so curious, so I know.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I was gonna say, I know, once you say that,
then you have to first I was gonna ask if
you primarily date men?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well, but then I was like, but it's you did
say you're an open book, because yeah, I mean at
the moment, no, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I'm not dating men.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Okay, good, yeah, okay, not my heart, I'm bye, but
I'm not I'm actually not dating men right now.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, not sleeping with them nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I was thinking about that too, because of us being
taught that people won't find you attractive, but specifically, men
won't find you attractive if you're overweight, and I found
that to be extremely untrue.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
It is so untrue.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, and I've had guys tell me like, no, like
I want something to grab onto. I'm like, oh, that's
kind of gross.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
But there's also something for everybody, and like, whoever you're
supposed to be with will accept you for who and.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
How you are.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
The problem is they treat those people like shit publicly,
they will worship them.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
That's the problem. Yes, just be fucking real about it.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
But yeah, no, it's never been a better time to
be a by woman.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, yeah, I love that for me too. No, no
men right now.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I did have like a couple of dates the week
of the election with men, and they were hitting me
up after and they were like, sorry hanging out again,
It's absolutely not sorry, never.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Again, just like got that out of your system kind of.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Nothing happened with them either, too, which surprised me. None
of them tried anything. And I was like, this will
be my last week to get laid by a man
before I never do it again.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Is that like in case you get pregnant or just
boycotting men.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I'm mad, I'm really mad. Yeah, I'm mad at them.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
A lot of men, not personal friends, but like friends
of male friends of girlfriends didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Vote at all, and so that made me really angry
to hear.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
But yeah, also, like you know, the birth control, like
it's safety, it's all of it.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's all of it, right, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I don't think they deserve priority right now.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
No, No, it really is a gift to get to
have sex with us, and they just don't deserve that gift.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, I feel that way, I know. I will say.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
The dating apps though, it's kind of crazy because the
one that I'm on, when I had men and women selected,
the women that they were showing me were like it
was like all like em rata type of like like
ton out of ten model women that had no interest
in me. The second I de selected the men, actual
gay women popped up.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (44:10):
It was like a bunch of women who had already
liked my page. I was like, wait, where was this before?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
That's so unfair. That's such bullshit.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I bet they prioritize profiles that get more traction or attention.
They're probably showing you people who like get more likes
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Or they just want women who are interested in men.
They want like more men to have a chance with women.
Like it almost made it so like it was women
who were like they're just for friends.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, it was so weird.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
It was like they were like hiding the gays for me,
and it was so great, Like it was just the day,
like I had scrolled through everybody, I immediately clicked off
of men, and then it takes like twenty four hours
for like more people to pop up. Instantly, all these
gay girls came up, and I was like, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, when you do have your settings showing you men
and women that you really do see the difference between.
It's just like the most disgusting men and then the
most gorgeous women.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
You're just like, wow, like what is this world that
we live in? Yeah, it's incredible beauties.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And then him, Yes, my miss Andrew is definitely seeping
into my day to day life.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
I got a call out from one of our guy
friends for.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Kind of putting someone not exactly putting them down for
having a small dick talking about someone we knew where
I was like, oh.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, that guy definitely has a tiny penis.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Like it's just I could just tell.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I mean, you know, he's a great guy, tiny penis.
And our friend was like, that's terrible.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (45:44):
And I'm like, you know what they do.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
To us though, you know, let's just locker room talk,
and I just have no remorse.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Really, women in Malefield exactly. Also, the ones with small
dicks want you to make fun of them.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
This is from experience. Okay, yeah, I just want to
body shame they.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
The last guy I dated had a small dick.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
He joked about it fairly often because I think it
was like making light of it. And it was like, yeah, sure, whatever,
and it's not really that important in the same way
that a person having big tits or whatever, like it's
not really that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
But no, I don't really get off from penetration anyway.
So it's a small dick that doesn't bother me a difference.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah, bring toys into the equation. There's so many, so
many solutions exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Also, does with monster dogs are just lazy.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
I'll tell you I did have sex with this guy
was like a fun times like it was scary and
I was like he was just like laid back and
I was like, what what is this?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
He's like all right.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
I was like, are you not on nothing? You're not nothing?
No foreplay nothing, just like hop on on. It was
like and it was the worst sex I've ever had
my entire life. So it doesn't mean shit.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
It's a pillow princess. Yeah, princess damn exactly what it was.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
I was just like, absolutely, I'm way too drink to
get on top first.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, all what I was five? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Oh man, thinking about Dick though it does excite me
a little.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I will sorry, man, I'm not American Dick. I'm thinking
girth Master. I'm thinking Australian maybe UK.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
What is growth Master? What I know?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
He's this Australian guy with the girthiest penis.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
It's like the size of a wine bottle of wine bottle.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I thought I was missing some piece of internet culture
that I should know because somebody's spend.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
So much time online and I have.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
No idea what the fuck is going on in the world,
and I'm totally ignreitative trends. But yeah, i'mused out on
that one too, but now I'm gonna look it up
after you have to.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah, everybody go salt your eyes.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
And he seems like such a sweetie pie too, like
he loves women the way he talks about women, and
like uplifts us and talks about like female sex workers.
And I just a what a gem.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I saw a video on your page of a comedic
video of like listening to erotica when you're out in public,
or like shopping, which I used to do as like
a teenager before I could like do drugs, you know,
I needed a thrill for something through on my iPod. Yeah,
those Erotica readers, but they really do commit to the
bit sell well, like the.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Most beautiful belovedy voices. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, and I like to think they're also nice people
if they're talking about pleasing someone so carefully.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah, I mean, Quinn.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
The audio Erotica app is like popping off right now.
I did try it. It's not dirty enough for me, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Well little Rotica has an audio section I should cruise.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Erotica has been like the Erotica database for I don't know,
twenty years, and like they've.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Barely updated their site.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
And I've I've been on it since I was a
teenager to find erotica, and I thought, maybe there's another source,
like we have to have upgraded since then, like there's
something else now right, Nope, it's fucking literadgo lest I checked.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
That's like the number one Internet database.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
It'sn't that so funny that, like as teenagers we were
into that. Like I've been into smut since I was
like like a young teenager, like I was waiting on
live journal me too.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, I remember being twelve.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
And like it's like really into music, so it'd be
like you know, fan pages like bands I like, and
it's like he crossed over with this band and it's
like just disgusting, and the two guys hook up and
they make.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Out so hard Harry and Draco slash.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yes, yes, oh my god, me too.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I wrote like sex stories and erotica before i'd had sex,
just based on what I perceived in the world.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
I just think that's so funny and like it's actually
like and not to like keep going back to like
feminists who are like anti porn, but like what if that,
I mean, what if men were like women shouldn't listen
to smut or read it or write it or any
of it. It's like and women are like, men shouldn't
be watching porn. I'm like, what if they did that
to us? How would you feel about that? I would

(50:09):
feel horrible. Yeah, what if they tried to take away
our sex toys?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, That's why.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I'm like pro porn, you know, just for that reason alone.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
We did an episode on erotica and we haven't did
an episode on porn yet.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
Yeah, we realize it's going to be a big thing
to unravel, so it is. We've kind of not put
it off, but we're like, we'll have to like make
like a make space for that, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think we wanted to do sex work first before
getting into any kind of subcategories.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
True. True, Well we've.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Been talking for almost an hour, you guys so fast?

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Time?

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Did we get all our words out? Let me double check?
Oh yeah, I think we did.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
So. I was like I had stuff and then we
talked about it, and I was like, oh cool, I'm
so good.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
We talked about ye yep, we did it.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Good. Good?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Okay, is there anything you want to promote? Breathe So
you want to plug.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Okay, just the movie, I mean sugar Baby again. It's
available on Prime Apple and on demand. And yeah, stars
Mary Beth Burrown, Nina Bloomgarden, James Tupper and it's it's
hot for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Don't heat it, don't steal it, go give us.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Don't steal it. If you have to steal it, steal it.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Watch it is like the main thing we're saying. Go
check it out. I am missandrist Memes on Instagram, and
i am t.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
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Speaker 4 (51:38):
I G that was practice. That was very very smooth.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Okay, And then we're gonna say and we are sad
Gap dot podcast.

Speaker 8 (51:46):
And if you want to say it with us, just
the sad gap dot podcast part, you could.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
I'll see if I edit that up. And we are
sad Gap dot podcast. You can email us.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
It's sad Gap dot podcast at gmail dot com. You
can visit our website, said gap dash podcast dot com,
follow us on Patreon, join us on Reddit and discord
basically everywhere.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
It's all in the link tree on our Instagram. Oh
my god, I'm so impressed every time I wasn't very smooth.
It's an off day for me.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Did I cut the episode too short? Should we have
talked more? I don't know that very good. I was
trying to sense it, you know, like just feeling out
the vibes.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, it's just this just vibe space, vibe space.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I could talk about porn all day, but it sounds
like you're saving that for another time.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
We gave you back for sure. I mean I have
like a.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Bunch of porn star friends that would be happy to
come from the source directly, So.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I love that. Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, I just feel like I'm like, I don't know enough.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
I want to like go in and you know, have
my have my sources listed and my phone?

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Really did you follow? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
We make the rules.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Did you ever follow?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
When there was this guy who had a meme Paige
and there was a girl he was dating who was
a porn star and I cannot think of her name
right now, and he abused her and she publicly went
on Instagram and like showed what he did and like
screenshots of things.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Did she say Nathaniel was his name? I think it
was his handle?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I want to say yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I was there for that. I was so online for that.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I was online for that too, And then she pulled
everything because he got her page shut down. He had
his friends like go and report her page for sexual
content and got her pulled from Instagram. When she came back,
she removed any mention of him, and I went for
my personal account and I commented on one of his posts,
like did you guys miss the part where he like
beat his pregnant girlfriend she had to have an abortion
and it was this whole fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
And he deleted my comment and blocked me.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, there's just no recourse for that, because it's like,
I don't even I even haven't brought this up.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
It's been enough time. I feel okay about it.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
But I didn't post about it even when I got
my page because I want to protect for privacy too,
Like I don't want her to get in trouble by
me trying to get him in trouble and publicize the.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Story that she chose to Paul. I know it's so hard.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
I subscribed her o f yes, you know that's good
so I could keep tabs on her.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I definitely followed him he blocked me because I was
following her. Yeah, everyone was like shoes full of shit.
I'm like, she had receipts. We see all the receipts,
even with proof sons like an ultrasound. There was an
ultra sound. Yeah, yes, I saved it.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I have saved all that, Yes, because I know how
it goes, Like I've been silenced, so I know how
it goes. And I was like, I'm gonna save this
just in case anyone needs it for anything.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, it's just hard to not have a lot of recourse.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
But I'm glad she's doing better.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Maybe I should make a stand against him now and
not do any not post her name, but just publicize
whatever his user name is now and be like, everyone
fucked this guy.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Go and follow him, walk him, report him, Yeah, make
his life. Well, let's try. Yeah, we've got an audience, now,
could we can do something with that? You can use
our powers for good.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
He has like so many different accounts though, and I
don't realize it's him until I'm already following, and then
he'll post a picture like jump scare.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah he's a very piteous, scary looking man. He is,
so we'll find him. Fuck him up virtually. Yeah, okay, Lexus,
you're up next.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Oh yeah, we were jumping back. I don't know I
did we want?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
No, that's good. We already got the audio for it.
Fuck it.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Yeah, and going over to your podcast platform of choice
and give us a rating.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
If you go on over to Apple and write us
a review, that'd be much appreciated. Rate review, subscribe and
share with a friend.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Please.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
I'm not going to edit that at all. I'm not
changing the order. I'm not maybe I just want to
add to this one.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
It do it.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
You're keeping the last part in.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
Well, I could be I'll be her name because that's
what we decided. Fuck him up, but not fuck her up,
So we'll be her name. But she's a lovely human
from what we could tell, and he's not girls real boys.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
True.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Okay, and now we go to the closer, which is,
thank you so much for being here, Bret. It was
really lovely talking to you. Thank you for coming out
and being so patient.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Thanks for having me. This was fun and we're stronger together.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
You want to say bye bye bye bye