November 19, 2025 • 36 mins
The desert trail gave us the perfect classroom: one anxious mare, one brave rider, and a clear case of how human tension becomes a horse’s worry. We set out to help our friend Susan prepare Emma for ponying and discovered the real fix wasn’t a harsher cue or a bigger bubble. It was quieter, softer hands, a breathing seat, and clear, repeatable steps turned “don’t go” energy into steady, confident movement.
Along the way, the trail threw us a test: Aspen went down in deep sand. No panic—just solid safety. Cara employed the illustrious emergency dismount by rolling off to the side and nearly getting stepped ob. Max tripped too, which opened a smart talk on gear choices and why a hackamore is Sandy's go to on the trail.
Under it all sits a bigger theme: leveling up without swapping horses. Some riders pursue ribbons and keep the sport visible. Others choose to grow with the horse they love, redefining success as partnership, patience, and consistent progress. Susan chose the second path, and we’re here for it. From body awareness to trail etiquette with bikes and dogs, from micro-cues to mindset, this ride is a field guide to staying calm, staying kind, and getting better together.
If this story helps you breathe deeper in the saddle, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend who needs a nudge of trail courage. Tell us: what tiny change makes the biggest difference for your horse?
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Clip flop goes the trail, sun is rising.
Ha two gals in the saddle neaththe big Nevada sky, laughing and
chatting as the desert rolls onby.
It's Saddle Talk.
Come along for the ride.
SPEAKER_02 (00:20):
Welcome, listeners, to Saddle Talk with Sandy and
Cara.
Whether you're here to laughwith us, learn, or just ride
along, you're in for a reallygood time.
So go grab your helmet over yourpooper scooper and settle in
with us as we discuss life,horses, of course, and all the
unexpected turns along thetrail.
And hey, whether you're aseasoned cowgirl or you're still
learning, remember we're sharingour own stories and opinions
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based on decades of personalexperience.
Always ride safe and check witha professional before trying
anything new.
Now let's go ride.
Hello, listeners.
This is Kara and Sandy.
Sandy.
Hi Sandy.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
Hi.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
How are you doing?
What's going on with you?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I feel a little disjointed.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05):
Yes.
Sandy has some afternoon wine.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07):
So I'm having my afternoon wine.
Hopefully that will help smoothout some of the edges and my
grammar, apparently.
SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
Oh my gosh.
Did you know alcohol used to beconsidered a medicine?
SPEAKER_03 (01:20):
It is a medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
It is a medicine.
SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
Still consider it a medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
As long as you use it wisely, which I do not think
this is an unwise day.
I think this is a wise decisionfor you.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Well, to be honest, when I started learning how to
ride, I realized that a littlebit of liquid courage made me a
better rider because it wouldrelax me.
Then I would relax in thesaddle.
I wasn't holding all thetension.
Things would happen.
It would be done before Irealized it was happening and it
wasn't a big deal.
I'm not advocating people to goout and get drunk on their
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horses.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
However, as a great disclaimer.
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Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
So today we helped our friend Susan.
She needed some help on thetrail with her horse because she
wants to start ponying.
She bought another horse to keepher horse company, which that
sounds familiar to everybodylistening.
So we rode out on the trail withher, met up with her, Emma, her
horse.
And really what she needs,because she and I rode last
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week, and I rode Emma and sherode Max.
Emma was fine for me.
She listened and respondedexactly the way she was supposed
to, because I didn't have anypreconceived notions of her
being a bad bad is a bad word,misbehaving, taking advantage.
I saw myself as a leader andexpected nothing less.
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And she did everything I askedher to.
And it was funny because Susanwas expecting me to be loud and
pushy.
SPEAKER_02 (02:52):
She said that on the trail.
I was surprised she said that.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
I know that my voice can get a little annoying
sometimes.
I can be quiet.
And I know I think I've learnedfrom you and Darlene that quiet
is the way to go.
Calm is the way to go.
Being tense and uptight is notthe way to go.
Emma's issue really is horsesnext to her.
Her bubble is so big that shedoes get very anxious when
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horses get in.
And then we realize, well, yourealize the anxiety is in
Susan's body.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
100%.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
And that really aided in Emma's behavior.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Today, yeah.
Susan kept saying how good shewas doing.
That I'm meaning the horse, thatEmma was performing really
great.
She was super thankful for usjust riding next to her and
trying to trigger Emma the wholetime.
And I was very cautious aboutsaying anything to her because I
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feel like we can overstep ourboundaries.
And I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
Yeah, we learned that with another friend of
ours.
Uh we don't know if we're evergonna air those episodes.
But we did have a friend.
SPEAKER_02 (04:11):
We should call it some kind of weird file.
SPEAKER_03 (04:13):
No, we should we should make people pay for those
episodes because if you're gonnalisten to it, you're gonna pay
for it because this is the madshit file.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, that's when we do thepatroning or patron Patreon.
Patreon, right, right.
If we ever get there, awesometea and a half, exactly.
But I think you handled it verywell.
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I think that you approached herand you asked her permission to
be honest and to talk to her andsay what you had to say.
And the nice thing about Susanis that she's very receptive to
Yes, and I have noticed that isa key ingredient.
It is, it is.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
I hate it when people pretend to be receptive.
And for Susan, she is taking itin and she's processing it.
And you can tell that she wantsto process it, but I think
stepping away from it is a giftthat everyone should give
themselves.
When you receive a critique or acriticism, like please don't try
to process it in that moment ifyou know you're not going to.
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Right.
Because it's not going to behealthy for anyone.
SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
Well, and I think the difference too is she really
is asking for our help.
I mean, where how would we be asuh friends if we didn't provide
that honest truth?
I mean, granted, you don't needto be mean, but you should be
honest.
And I think that she's veryreceptive to the fact that a lot
of the tension is being held inher shoulders and her body, and
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that translates down to thehorse.
100%.
You had a really great analogy.
Do you want to give the analogy?
The one about the friend.
You know, when you have a friendand you can tell when their tone
is remember?
SPEAKER_02 (05:48):
Oh, yeah, I did.
I was trying to help her realizehow tense she was and that it
was actually her emotiontranslating to the horse that
was the problem.
It wasn't actually other horsesuh encroaching upon her Emma's
space.
Emma's forgot the horse's name.
Yeah, hot second.
What I said to Susan is that weall have loved ones in our
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lives, whether it's a friend ora child or whoever.
And as someone who loves otherpeople dearly, you know by the
tone of someone's voice thatsomething tragic or scary or
something has happened.
And you don't have to sayanything except for one single
word or one single breath.
It's the intonation of someone'svoice, not the actual words that
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tell you if something is anemergency.
I told her that that is what sheis doing to Emma all the time.
SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
That she is constantly communicating that
it's don't go, don't go, don'tgo.
This is too much, this is toomuch.
I can't handle that.
Like she's literally translatingpanic to her horse through her
hands and her seat and her upperbody.
And she is bracing againstEmma's movement.
And so I tried to what's thatwhat's that nursery rhyme where
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the kids get eaten?
Oh, Hansel and Gretel.
Oh, oh, Hansel and Gretel,there's that crazy witch lady.
Of course it's a witch, right?
SPEAKER_03 (07:21):
Uh well, if a man, if it was a man, then it'd be a
pedophile.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
So yeah, you have to so this crazy witch lady puts
those crumbs down for the kidsto find.
And I felt like I was doing thatwith Susan, just giving her
little bits of information onthis season in length.
Yes, yes.
I think we were out there acouple hours.
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
I think so.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
So I wanted to give her bits to chew on as we went.
And so I started telling herabout what I felt like she was
communicating.
And then I walked away and I letSandy take over.
Yeah.
And then I would come back 15minutes later and I would say,
Hey, well, why don't you trythis?
And so I spoon-fed her theselittle bits of information.
And by the end of the trailride, she was very thankful and
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she said, Hey, Kara, I've beentrying A, B, and C this whole
time.
SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
Well, I think you really helped her with the
stopping and the transition ofstopping.
You I think you broke it downfor her in a way that made
sense.
Yes.
And she could practice while wewere riding.
Because one of the things thatEmma doesn't like to do is stand
still.
So with us walking on and herpracticing the stopping and
stopping behind us, it was goodtraining for Emma.
SPEAKER_04 (08:29):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (08:30):
So we're gonna pick it up again tomorrow.
I think what I'll do is practiceher riding ahead of me and
stopping and waiting for mebecause that's another thing
Emma's not good at is waiting.
Okay.
And so a lot of times whenyou're ponying a horse and
you're trying to get your handsfigured out and the rope figured
out, or the horse is goingaround.
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Your riding horse needs to knowhow to just like just stand
here.
unknown (08:54):
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:54):
You don't need to be my issue right now.
Right now, you need to juststand.
And I think it went very well,and it's been a lot of fun.
And she is aware, and at somepoint, she will also be
listening to this episodebecause she is following us and
subscribing, because subscribingis free.
You know, I really hope that shehearing this back also realizes
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how appreciative we are soappreciative of her giving us
this opportunity to use this asan episode that we can use for
other people.
SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
Yeah, I feel like it's a case study for us, and
I'm very happy that she's sowilling to try stuff and put
herself out there, put herselfout there, willing to just give
it a shot.
And I know that we all havefear.
And instead of walking away fromthis fear, she's going towards
it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:43):
Yeah, head on.
Head on.
Head on so much that she'salready been out on trail with
Tango.
Without us.
And without us?
What was she even thinking?
Yeah, Susan.
What are you thinking?
Yeah, Susan, this is to you.
Take us with you next time.
Next time first.
Yes, no.
Just joking.
Sure horse.
Do what you want.
SPEAKER_02 (10:02):
But we're proud of you because so proud.
I feel like that's not somethingshe would have done without our
help originally.
SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:08):
So she went out for a short ponying trip, and I'm
very excited that she even hadthe guts to do that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
Yes, yes.
It's all about guts.
SPEAKER_02 (10:15):
I think it goes back to what I always say, and I
think you always say now too, isbaby steps.
Baby steps to success will getyou there.
And if you can break it down theway that I broke down how to
stop your horse, if you canbreak it down into those baby
steps, it really does process.
Like the whole picture is somuch smoother and easier than we
think it's gonna be.
SPEAKER_03 (10:35):
Yeah.
Especially with horses, not justin life, too.
Well, I think it goes foreverything.
Baby steps for baby steps.
We're doing baby steps right nowwith our podcast.
Oh, we are.
Because I just want to apologizeif people that follow us are
getting duplicate posts orduplicate stories, or one minute
there's a story, the next minutethe story's gone, because I'm
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trying to figure out this wholeFacebook Instagram thing.
And it's not as easy.
Well, when you're pushing 60,which I hate to admit, I feel
like my mom must feel withtechnology.
I mean, these young kids,they're putting up these stories
and reels like it's nothing.
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And I'm going in and I'm like,well, wait a minute.
I already created a story andnow I'm trying to create a new
story, but it's oh it's a pain.
SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
I literally, no joke, deleted every single
duplicate you have put in there.
So for every single reel you'veput in or every single story,
I've deleted the second one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:35):
I thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome, my lovey.
SPEAKER_02 (11:37):
It's all I know.
Yeah, I know.
I actually sat down with asocial media person.
SPEAKER_03 (11:41):
God.
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
It was it was com comical.
SPEAKER_03 (11:44):
It was.
SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
It was so comical.
SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
So my apologies.
And my apologies to everybodyout there.
If you're like, what the hell isthis girl doing?
She has no idea.
Yeah, we don't know.
We don't have to.
We don't know.
We just decided to start apodcast.
We did.
We didn't think of it through.
But we're still having fun.
So the other thing, so moreabout Susan later.
We do have some video that we'regonna put on and share and share
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with you guys just so you cansee.
And when we get the one of heractually ponying with us, uh
Tango, then we'll take somevideos so you can see her
progress and see how becauseshe's gonna be there in a
heartbeat.
She's already there.
SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
She's already there.
Yeah.
So we can't.
It's a matter of building her upand making sure that Emma is
okay with a ponying horse, notbeing okay.
SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
That's a true test.
Well, and the new thing welearned today is that her next
concern is ponying with otherhorses and tango.
SPEAKER_02 (12:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
She mentioned that she feels that Emma is
protective and might misbehave.
So that will be a learningopportunity for the future.
She's gonna get the confidenceof just ponying out on the trail
by herself, which I yes, 100%,Susan.
You're doing the right thing.
And then later we'll add in ourlittle spice and trigger.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
Yes, well, herd and trigger her and see how it goes.
We have helmets on.
Oh, speaking of helmets.
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
We wear helmets.
SPEAKER_02 (13:12):
Uh, y'all.
SPEAKER_03 (13:14):
Oh my gosh.
Today, so I had people havehurt.
I know we did not coin thisphrase.
Suicide or homicide.
That's what horses wake up with.
Today was suicide.
For Max and for Aspen, Aspen'swas a lot more dramatic.
So I'm gonna let you discusswhat happened with Aspen because
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that was a first.
Oh, let me preface.
Let me preface the edges of thetrail along certain areas is
really soft.
And when a horse is walking, youcould go into the dirt.
That is my buildup for what Karais now going to discuss while I
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drink my wine.
SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
While you drink your shira.
It was just really weird andunexpected.
And I've known for a while thatshe was gonna fall because when
I ride her, she trips a lot andshe gets very high-headed.
She has a high headset, anyways.
She has a high headset on hershoulders.
She is a national show horse, soshe's basically half Arab and
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half saddlebred.
And she has a huge slopingshoulder.
So when she decides to put herhead up, it's literally her.
SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
She's also very bendy.
She's this weird, like gummy andMax's pokey.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (14:33):
She's very gumby and she bends.
When we first got her, we wouldask her to back up and she would
lean backwards.
Her front feet wouldn't move,and she would just lean
backwards.
SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
She does a downward dog.
SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
She does do a downward dog.
SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in over 40
years of working with horses.
I have never seen a horse.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
I'm sorry.
Do this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
And she also does this thing where she shifts her
weight.
So she looks like she's stayingstill over four feet, and she's
not.
She's literally shifting herweight from one foot to the
other, and you can't tell unlessyou're on her.
It's the weirdest thing.
Anyway, so we were cruising downthe trail, and she'd had a
couple adrenaline moments whenwe went to go pick up Susan.
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She had an adrenaline momentthen because one of the horses
was running around in thepaddock and she's very
hyper-aware of other horses.
And then we were cruising downtowards the other end of the
trail, and she was also havingsome adrenaline moment.
I think that she could sensethat we were headed towards the
prison.
Our prison has the holding penfor the Mustangs, and we're one
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of the famous.
Well, I'm not, but our prison isfamous for the amazing horses
that they trained.
SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
And the program.
And the program for which is notvery well depicted in the movie
Mustang or whatever that namewas, but it's okay.
That movie was not.
SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
It wasn't a realistic depiction because
those men do not get to leavethe compound.
SPEAKER_03 (16:01):
100%.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
But the animals are spectacular.
The course they are output.
So whenever we head that way onthe trail, she tends to get a
little high-headed.
And it was the weirdest thing.
She slipped her little back footslipped in the super deep sand.
And then when she tried to moveforward, she tripped on her
front end, and I could feel herright front foot tripped first,
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then her left front foottripped, and she went all the
way down.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
She liked splayed.
It was weird to watch.
I wish I had my video going.
I know.
I hate that.
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
But it was such a weird thing for me to feel as
well.
So she plopped down on theground.
She fell.
She really did fell.
And she fell first on I thinkher knees, and then she just
completely fell and she couldnot even stand up.
She was not able to move.
And then I felt her try to move,and I knew that she couldn't
because she didn't even get tothe body.
SPEAKER_03 (16:59):
And then didn't she didn't she try to stand up and
then fell again?
SPEAKER_02 (17:02):
And that's when I knew, okay, there took the dive.
Yeah, she there was no way shewas going to be able to get back
up with me on her.
Right.
Because you can.
You can when a horse falls likethat, you can actually stay on
them.
And as long as you braceyourself and listeners, if this
ever happens to you, what you'llwant to do is you're gonna want
to put your hand on their neckbecause when they go to stand
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up, their neck can hit your faceand break your nose and give you
a take your feet out of thestirrups.
SPEAKER_03 (17:31):
Because if you do have to take a dive, you don't
want to have to worry aboutgetting caught up in the
stirrups.
That's true.
SPEAKER_02 (17:35):
But while this was all going down, sure, all I
thought about was her hitting myface.
I've had that happen before.
So I didn't want to get a brokenface again.
Right.
When they hit you in the noseand you break your nose, you're
gonna get a concussion at thesame time.
So I braced my hand on her neck,and then when she tried to get
up a second time and couldn't, Ithought this is my moment.
I took my feet out of thestirrups.
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One was already halfway out,anyways, and I literally just
rolled onto the ground because Ithought it was the safest move
to try to get away from her.
SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
I rolled to the right of her body, she then was
able to stand, and I felt likefor a moment she was gonna come
towards my middle.
She did.
SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
She came leaned towards you.
SPEAKER_02 (18:16):
Because she leans.
SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
Yeah.
And and you were the first thingyou said was off, off, off, or I
don't remember what shescreamed.
You did, and she listened.
SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
She's a good girl.
SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
She backed off.
She did.
And she did not scream.
SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
She's like, Oh, okay, I don't want to hurt mama.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:29):
We're always afraid of our horses getting loose, but
we don't need to be.
She stood there and she waited,and I was fine.
I did not get hurt at all.
And I was worried that maybe shehad hurt something.
Right.
So I walked her on the trail andshe was fine.
And I got back on.
She had a little bit of ahigh-headed carriage until we
got to the end of the trail.
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And when we were away from theprison, she returned back to
normal to her relaxed state.
But I feel bad because you know,I always feel bad when something
gets hurt or potential for pain.
She didn't seem like she hurtherself at all, which is why I
got back on her.
And you guys both did perfectly.
And the crazy thing is, like,I've always known she was gonna
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fall.
SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
I know.
We've said that from this dayone.
We will never ride along SpoonerRidge or no, we're not taking
her on ledges.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
No, and know your horse.
This horse needs a wide trail,and even then, she might fall.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Her strength is not knowingwhere she is putting her feet.
She doesn't.
She just doesn't.
And when she's nervous, shetrips more and she just looks
out like she's that fish fromthat movie.
She's just looking from onething to the next.
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Yeah.
She's so dramatic and so sheshifts her weight, and I love
her to pieces.
You know, I love riding her.
I know you do.
I know she's your horse.
So she's your horse.
Thanks, friend.
She is your horse.
I think she's our communalhorse.
SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
She is our communal horse, but I lean more towards
she's your horse.
I just love her so much.
SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
So yeah, she's okay.
She's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Yeah, she is.
SPEAKER_02 (20:04):
We're gonna give her some butte, make sure she
doesn't.
I already did.
Oh, you did?
Thank you, friend.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
Yeah.
So right before that happened, Iwas riding Max, and I think his
back feet hit that soft edge ofthe trail.
He tripped and he went down onhis front legs.
I'm telling you what, I havebeen riding him in a hackamore
for the last, I'd say, four orfive months.
SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
I was just gonna say almost six months.
SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
And there is nothing that I do with him in that
hackamore that I could do anydifferently with a bit.
I I understand bits, I'm nothere to advocate for one or the
other.
I always worry about being toohard on my horse's mouths.
So it's just a personal thingfor me.
I know that there's value in alltools.
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Right.
You know, I do he is doingreally well in this Hackamore,
and I felt even better knowinghe was wearing it because when
he went down on his front legsand I was pulling up, I knew I
was just pulling up on his face.
Yeah.
You know, I wasn't pullingagainst his tongue, and he got
up.
It was not as dramatic as yoursin the least.
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So much so that you didn't evennotice he went down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
No, I just noticed him tripping.
He tripped, he tripped, and thenhis back feet did this weird
thing.
His little toes in the back wentunderneath, and he was sort of
walking on his back cannons fora hot second.
SPEAKER_03 (21:30):
And I just thought, what the f please Because we
went down in the front.
Poor buddy.
We must have been so perfectlylined up that I did not that you
did not even see it.
And I didn't go forward.
I stayed.
And I helped him up with hishead.
SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
That makes sense.
Well, and I've beenhyper-focused on those back legs
for a couple weeks.
Yeah.
Because Sandy asked me to watchthem because I saw him do
something weird.
So I've just been payingattention to his back legs.
So weird, friend.
On the same day.
SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
I know.
And I did see Emma trip a littlebit.
It was just a small Susan.
I don't even know if you feltit.
I feel like Susan's in the room.
We're talking to Susan rightnow.
Susan, I don't even know if youfelt it, but I did notice a
little bit of a trip.
And I felt like this is just theday.
There were so many people out onthe trail to meet.
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It was crazy.
It was.
It really, really was.
And I think it's because we allknow winter's here and it's
coming.
Right.
And so any nice day that MotherNature is willing to give us,
everyone is just out.
Yep.
That lady that was on the uhmechanical bike, she was not
happy.
Did you notice?
No, what did she say?
(22:40):
So remember when the guy on thebike stopped and we told him,
you can go, and we were walkingby and he was fiddling with
something.
Right.
While she came up on herelectric bike, which I'm sorry,
I think that's cheating.
People think that riding horsesis cheating, that the horse is
the one doing all the work.
No.
You don't see us in thedowntime.
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Us riding that horse is ourrelaxation.
That's our five percent of thetime that we are.
Yes, exactly.
Feeding, cleaning, hopingthey're not dying.
I mean, come on.
So she's on this electric bike.
She was coming up fast and shehad to stop.
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We were single file.
We were not the cause of thespace.
No, we were not taking up a lotof space.
No, no, no.
It was because we were on oneside and he had stopped.
So she had to stop.
She was not acknowledging us atall.
And I thought, because I thinkI'm so funny, as I was riding
by, I said, Oh my god, there's atraffic jam on the trail.
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I heard you say that, but I wasalready past.
I know.
And she didn't even acknowledgeit.
I was like, hey, have a goodride.
And she said, Yeah, you too.
So then I thought they weretogether.
Did you?
Yeah.
They were not.
Okay.
They were not, no.
And then when we were furtherdown, she obviously had turned
around and was coming back.
And I said, Oh, you're on yourway back.
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And that's when she said, I'mrunning out of gas.
I'm like, lady, you're runningout of more than just gas, trust
me.
Your whole personality isrunning out of whatever, because
you're just not happy.
And why are you even out here?
SPEAKER_02 (24:15):
Yeah, you're supposed to be enjoying nature.
Yes.
We run into all kinds of so manydifferent personalities.
People and personalities.
And most of them are lovely.
Most of them are so kind and I'dsay 99%.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
Think of how far those dogs went away from us
today.
Every single person with a dogput it on a leash and went about
10 feet away.
Yes.
Except for that one lady wherethere was rocks and she couldn't
with the white dog.
SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
I was kind of feeling bad for that dog.
She was trying to get it to gointo the gulf.
She was being nice to us.
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
She was nervous.
Did you hear her?
She was nervous the dog wasgoing to attack the horses.
That's what she said.
SPEAKER_03 (24:49):
Is that what it was about?
That's what she said.
I was misjudging her because Ithought she was being mean by
making her dog go in the rock.
SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
She said her dog likes to attack horses, and so
she was trying to pull him so hewouldn't.
SPEAKER_03 (24:58):
Well, why didn't she just follow her friend up into
the dirt?
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
I think she herself was not able to cross that.
She was pretty feeble.
SPEAKER_03 (25:06):
Oh, okay.
All right.
I apologize to that person thatI misjudged.
SPEAKER_02 (25:12):
It happens.
Who knows?
SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
Normally, though, you know, those types of dogs,
even when they hold them, thedog is still like, and he didn't
do that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
I'm glad.
I would rather have her hold herdog like that than not, because
we've been on the trail withdogs before, and it's not good.
And people are really weird.
SPEAKER_03 (25:31):
Well, what about that one?
You were riding Autumn, and youwere waiting down at the bottom
of the hill for me to come downbecause Max is so slow.
And that gentleman who is aneighbor who is very nice.
He's a nice guy.
He's a nice guy.
I know who he is.
His dog was a young golden andkept running up to Autumn while
you were standing there, and yousaid, sir, my horse will kick.
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And his response was, Well, itwill be the last time he does
it.
And I thought, well, that's notright.
And sure enough, Autumn kickedhim.
Yep.
She's a very polite kickerthough.
Because she caught him square inthe middle of the chest and
pushed.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
She did.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
It wasn't, I'm not saying she knew what she was
doing.
It's just the the energy behindher kick was not one of
striking.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (26:20):
In my opinion.
It was more of a solid kick topush him away, not to kill him.
SPEAKER_02 (26:28):
He got lucky.
SPEAKER_03 (26:29):
They both got lucky.
Why would you even have thatmentality for your dog?
I don't know.
Why that is not something a dogneeds to learn.
I don't want to go through that.
And that's how I feel too aboutsome people on the trail that
say, Oh, my dog has never seen ahorse.
I want him to learn.
Well, you know what?
Not today.
Not today, Satan.
No, not today.
SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
I have that sticker.
SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
Yeah.
Exactly.
Because your dog doesn't have tolearn that.
And I don't want to be the oneteaching it.
Right.
That's not fair to put on theperson riding the horse.
SPEAKER_02 (27:02):
Do you have anything else to add?
Just that I knew this was gonnahappen with Aspen Falling.
I'm very glad it happened theway that it did.
I think so too.
And I'm going to keep followingmy instincts that I know are
real because time and again Ihave proven to be on freaking
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target.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (27:25):
I would agree.
SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
What I think is going on.
And I I have more and more faithin my skills of observation as
I've aged.
SPEAKER_03 (27:33):
I rely on your skills of observation.
It has probably saved a lot ofmy horses.
Thank you, friends.
You're very welcome.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
I think that's one of the biggest skills in
horsemanship that people don'ttalk about is just your need to
observe, especially observeyourself.
And I feel like that's whatSusan is learning.
SPEAKER_03 (27:52):
I do too.
SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
And I'm hoping that she takes that to heart.
Is your reaction to what'shappening is the most important
thing.
SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
Because when it happened with Max and when it
happened with Aspen, Emma wasgreat.
SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
Emma was fast.
SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
And when I looked at Susan, she was relaxed.
Because it happened so fast.
SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
In a split second.
SPEAKER_03 (28:12):
I think it happens so fast you don't even have a
chance to react.
SPEAKER_02 (28:15):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (28:15):
And I think that's a godsend.
Because you don't need to react.
You don't need to have thatdrama.
I think it's all working outvery well.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Me too.
I'm happy for her.
Because it's just gonna getbetter.
SPEAKER_03 (28:26):
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
Horses just make our lives better, and the more that
we can do with them, it expandsour horizons too.
SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
And if she can go out, I know that she's part of a
writing group, and if she can goout with that writing group, or
with the people that she's metfrom that writing group, and
take Tango and pony him.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
It's just gonna enrich his life, it's gonna
expand her abilities.
Exactly.
It's gonna give other peopleguts to do it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:48):
Sure, I have to say something.
My sister, uh, when she listenedto our introduction, she was
very surprised that I didn'ttalk about my very first horse.
Oh.
My very first horse wasimaginary.
It's about five years old.
That's so cute.
My next door neighbor and I, wehad a horse named Zinza.
SPEAKER_02 (29:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (29:06):
Zinza would spend the night at each other's house.
I would even pretend my bike wasa horse.
Oh.
And my bike's name was Zinza.
My sister was very surprisedthat I didn't bring up Zinza.
So I'm bringing up Zinza now.
You when you're a little kid,you just I just always wanted a
fucking horse.
Zinza was my horse.
So much so that when I got myvery first horse for real, I
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named her Zinza.
Because she had a really weirdArabian show name.
Like those horse show names.
Silhouette.
I'm like, who names their horseSilhouette?
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
We don't.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (29:39):
It has a bar name and a show name here.
Two distinct different names.
SPEAKER_03 (29:42):
Which was Zinza.
And my menopause is kicking in,and I've kind of lost track of
why I brought that up.
That's okay.
Um, I remember now.
Leveling up.
I leveled up from my imaginaryhorse.
And I explained to Susan, Ithink we all set out on our
horse journey.
With one particular thing inmind.
I thought all I was gonna do wasride around the barn.
(30:04):
I don't need a trailer, I don'tneed writing friends, and then
you're like, hey, let's go,trailer.
And I was like, hey, this isreally cool.
I need a trailer, I need atruck, I need this, I need that.
And you start to level up.
I think that's what Susan isgoing through right now.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
Absolutely.
It's an evolution.
SPEAKER_03 (30:20):
A hundred percent.
And when she started out inVegas, she got her horse.
That was her scenario, that washer life.
Then she decided, hey, I want todo this.
And when I retire, I'm gonnamove here.
And then she moved up here withus.
Now she wants to do more, andshe's asking Emma to do more.
So she's leveling up Emmabecause she's not getting rid of
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Emma and buying a level uphorse.
She's trying to level up both ofthem at the same time.
And that's amazing.
It is fantastic.
It is.
One of the conversations I hadwith her was you have to give
Emma time.
You're asking her to do thingsthat she's never had to do
before.
On top of living in a newenvironment, she's not in a barn
(31:03):
anymore.
She doesn't have all thosehorses that were her friends at
that time.
It's okay to level up, but giveyourself that time and then give
your horse that time andpatience.
Absolutely.
So I think I'm done monologuingbecause the wine is kicking in.
I don't know if our listenerscan tell, but no, it's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
I I feel like we've touched on this subject before.
When I said that Bob was myhorse that I was just gonna keep
and whatever he wanted to do, Iwas going to have him be my
horse.
And I feel that same way aboutArmani.
And I think if you choose to besomeone who's involved in a
sport and the horse can't levelup with you as you move through
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the ranks and you get better andbetter at what you do.
SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
You don't just discard that horse and get a
level up horse.
Oh no, people do.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
And it's for me, that's okay.
If they are on a personaljourney of excelling within our
sport, that's what they have todo.
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
I love it when people try to find those horses
amazing homes, and they usuallydo because they've brought that
horse to a certain level, andnow that horse can do that horse
can be a level and that can be alevel up horse for another
person.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Exactly.
I get it.
I'm sorry.
I will just drink my wine andlet Kara keep talking.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
It's okay, friend.
My favorite horses are thehorses that are the teachers,
those gave me my riding life.
I am an excellent rider.
I have always wanted to be anexcellent rider, and it was my
goal from day one as a childthat riding was gonna be my
favorite number one thing.
And then, like you said, thingschange.
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I decided it's the individualhorse that matters to me.
And I spent my life with Bobdecades, and it was oh I'm gonna
cry.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
We are so going through metal.
It's he was just he's just thebest horse, it was just the best
horse.
SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
He was the best horse, and it was because him
and I were so close andconnected and connected, and I
talked to him and he talkedback.
We had conversations that werephysical and emotional, and we
were connected.
And I'm gonna do the same thingwith Armani.
The way that thank you, friend,the way that Susan is doing this
with Emma, I am on a journeywith Armani.
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You are my chosen one, yes, andI am so excited for our future,
and I don't know what it holds,but I have seen him do
pirouettes, I am not joking you,all on his own, outside my
backyard, just doing littledressage pirouettes because he's
chasing Autumn away from thehay, and I just think he was
(33:39):
built to do that.
So I really hope that he wantsto learn with me on his back.
SPEAKER_03 (33:43):
So when are we going to uh ride?
Pony him.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
Oh, pony?
I think he's pretty ready topony.
Why don't we take him on a fewmore walks?
Make sure that his skills at notbiting us are good.
He was fantastic the last timewe took him out, but let's make
sure that he is still superrespectful.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
Do you feel that Autumn is in a place where you
could put a saddle on her?
Because I was thinking if youwere to put a saddle on her and
just ride her around in thearena and pony him, see how he
does.
Let me check.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
Yeah, I'll check her.
I'll check her this weekend, seehow she's doing.
I don't want to ride her if weshouldn't.
No, of course not.
SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Autumn has something going on with her back foot.
She's been out all season.
SPEAKER_01 (34:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (34:22):
Yeah, I'll check her.
I think she's doing it onpurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
I'm excited for Susan for me, and I think that
there are a lot of women outthere that have made this choice
as well.
But there are a lot of horsewomen and men too who have
decided to stay with their horseor their group of friends.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
And try to level up together.
SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
And try to level up together versus chasing the
ribbons.
And I do not begrudge anyone whochases the ribbons.
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
No, of course not.
That's what's keeping theindustry out in public.
So thank you to everybody who isout there chasing the ribbons
and chasing the money.
Because it it inspires people.
It does.
It inspires a person to get ahorse.
There's so many horses out therethat need families.
Need families.
That's very, very important.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
Mine was a rescue.
SPEAKER_03 (35:11):
All right.
Well, today was a good day.
I really enjoyed thisdiscussion, and thank you for
the wine.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
Yeah, no worries.
SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
Very good.
Love you, friends.
I love you too, Toodles.
SPEAKER_02 (35:20):
Toodles.
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Hello, listeners.
This is Kara and Sandy.
Sandy.
Hi Sandy.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
Hi.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
How are you doing?
What's going on with you?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I feel a little disjointed.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05):
Yes.
Sandy has some afternoon wine.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07):
So I'm having my afternoon wine.
Hopefully that will help smoothout some of the edges and my
grammar, apparently.
SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
Oh my gosh.
Did you know alcohol used to beconsidered a medicine?
SPEAKER_03 (01:20):
It is a medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
It is a medicine.
SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
Still consider it a medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
As long as you use it wisely, which I do not think
this is an unwise day.
I think this is a wise decisionfor you.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Well, to be honest, when I started learning how to
ride, I realized that a littlebit of liquid courage made me a
better rider because it wouldrelax me.
Then I would relax in thesaddle.
I wasn't holding all thetension.
Things would happen.
It would be done before Irealized it was happening and it
wasn't a big deal.
I'm not advocating people to goout and get drunk on their
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horses.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
However, as a great disclaimer.
unknown (01:58):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
So today we helped our friend Susan.
She needed some help on thetrail with her horse because she
wants to start ponying.
She bought another horse to keepher horse company, which that
sounds familiar to everybodylistening.
So we rode out on the trail withher, met up with her, Emma, her
horse.
And really what she needs,because she and I rode last
(02:22):
week, and I rode Emma and sherode Max.
Emma was fine for me.
She listened and respondedexactly the way she was supposed
to, because I didn't have anypreconceived notions of her
being a bad bad is a bad word,misbehaving, taking advantage.
I saw myself as a leader andexpected nothing less.
(02:44):
And she did everything I askedher to.
And it was funny because Susanwas expecting me to be loud and
pushy.
SPEAKER_02 (02:52):
She said that on the trail.
I was surprised she said that.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
I know that my voice can get a little annoying
sometimes.
I can be quiet.
And I know I think I've learnedfrom you and Darlene that quiet
is the way to go.
Calm is the way to go.
Being tense and uptight is notthe way to go.
Emma's issue really is horsesnext to her.
Her bubble is so big that shedoes get very anxious when
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horses get in.
And then we realize, well, yourealize the anxiety is in
Susan's body.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
100%.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
And that really aided in Emma's behavior.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Today, yeah.
Susan kept saying how good shewas doing.
That I'm meaning the horse, thatEmma was performing really
great.
She was super thankful for usjust riding next to her and
trying to trigger Emma the wholetime.
And I was very cautious aboutsaying anything to her because I
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feel like we can overstep ourboundaries.
And I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
Yeah, we learned that with another friend of
ours.
Uh we don't know if we're evergonna air those episodes.
But we did have a friend.
SPEAKER_02 (04:11):
We should call it some kind of weird file.
SPEAKER_03 (04:13):
No, we should we should make people pay for those
episodes because if you're gonnalisten to it, you're gonna pay
for it because this is the madshit file.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, that's when we do thepatroning or patron Patreon.
Patreon, right, right.
If we ever get there, awesometea and a half, exactly.
But I think you handled it verywell.
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I think that you approached herand you asked her permission to
be honest and to talk to her andsay what you had to say.
And the nice thing about Susanis that she's very receptive to
Yes, and I have noticed that isa key ingredient.
It is, it is.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
I hate it when people pretend to be receptive.
And for Susan, she is taking itin and she's processing it.
And you can tell that she wantsto process it, but I think
stepping away from it is a giftthat everyone should give
themselves.
When you receive a critique or acriticism, like please don't try
to process it in that moment ifyou know you're not going to.
(05:11):
Right.
Because it's not going to behealthy for anyone.
SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
Well, and I think the difference too is she really
is asking for our help.
I mean, where how would we be asuh friends if we didn't provide
that honest truth?
I mean, granted, you don't needto be mean, but you should be
honest.
And I think that she's veryreceptive to the fact that a lot
of the tension is being held inher shoulders and her body, and
(05:37):
that translates down to thehorse.
100%.
You had a really great analogy.
Do you want to give the analogy?
The one about the friend.
You know, when you have a friendand you can tell when their tone
is remember?
SPEAKER_02 (05:48):
Oh, yeah, I did.
I was trying to help her realizehow tense she was and that it
was actually her emotiontranslating to the horse that
was the problem.
It wasn't actually other horsesuh encroaching upon her Emma's
space.
Emma's forgot the horse's name.
Yeah, hot second.
What I said to Susan is that weall have loved ones in our
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lives, whether it's a friend ora child or whoever.
And as someone who loves otherpeople dearly, you know by the
tone of someone's voice thatsomething tragic or scary or
something has happened.
And you don't have to sayanything except for one single
word or one single breath.
It's the intonation of someone'svoice, not the actual words that
(06:39):
tell you if something is anemergency.
I told her that that is what sheis doing to Emma all the time.
SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
That she is constantly communicating that
it's don't go, don't go, don'tgo.
This is too much, this is toomuch.
I can't handle that.
Like she's literally translatingpanic to her horse through her
hands and her seat and her upperbody.
And she is bracing againstEmma's movement.
And so I tried to what's thatwhat's that nursery rhyme where
(07:13):
the kids get eaten?
Oh, Hansel and Gretel.
Oh, oh, Hansel and Gretel,there's that crazy witch lady.
Of course it's a witch, right?
SPEAKER_03 (07:21):
Uh well, if a man, if it was a man, then it'd be a
pedophile.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
So yeah, you have to so this crazy witch lady puts
those crumbs down for the kidsto find.
And I felt like I was doing thatwith Susan, just giving her
little bits of information onthis season in length.
Yes, yes.
I think we were out there acouple hours.
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
I think so.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
So I wanted to give her bits to chew on as we went.
And so I started telling herabout what I felt like she was
communicating.
And then I walked away and I letSandy take over.
Yeah.
And then I would come back 15minutes later and I would say,
Hey, well, why don't you trythis?
And so I spoon-fed her theselittle bits of information.
And by the end of the trailride, she was very thankful and
(08:04):
she said, Hey, Kara, I've beentrying A, B, and C this whole
time.
SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
Well, I think you really helped her with the
stopping and the transition ofstopping.
You I think you broke it downfor her in a way that made
sense.
Yes.
And she could practice while wewere riding.
Because one of the things thatEmma doesn't like to do is stand
still.
So with us walking on and herpracticing the stopping and
stopping behind us, it was goodtraining for Emma.
SPEAKER_04 (08:29):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (08:30):
So we're gonna pick it up again tomorrow.
I think what I'll do is practiceher riding ahead of me and
stopping and waiting for mebecause that's another thing
Emma's not good at is waiting.
Okay.
And so a lot of times whenyou're ponying a horse and
you're trying to get your handsfigured out and the rope figured
out, or the horse is goingaround.
(08:50):
Your riding horse needs to knowhow to just like just stand
here.
unknown (08:54):
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:54):
You don't need to be my issue right now.
Right now, you need to juststand.
And I think it went very well,and it's been a lot of fun.
And she is aware, and at somepoint, she will also be
listening to this episodebecause she is following us and
subscribing, because subscribingis free.
You know, I really hope that shehearing this back also realizes
(09:17):
how appreciative we are soappreciative of her giving us
this opportunity to use this asan episode that we can use for
other people.
SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
Yeah, I feel like it's a case study for us, and
I'm very happy that she's sowilling to try stuff and put
herself out there, put herselfout there, willing to just give
it a shot.
And I know that we all havefear.
And instead of walking away fromthis fear, she's going towards
it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:43):
Yeah, head on.
Head on.
Head on so much that she'salready been out on trail with
Tango.
Without us.
And without us?
What was she even thinking?
Yeah, Susan.
What are you thinking?
Yeah, Susan, this is to you.
Take us with you next time.
Next time first.
Yes, no.
Just joking.
Sure horse.
Do what you want.
SPEAKER_02 (10:02):
But we're proud of you because so proud.
I feel like that's not somethingshe would have done without our
help originally.
SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:08):
So she went out for a short ponying trip, and I'm
very excited that she even hadthe guts to do that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
Yes, yes.
It's all about guts.
SPEAKER_02 (10:15):
I think it goes back to what I always say, and I
think you always say now too, isbaby steps.
Baby steps to success will getyou there.
And if you can break it down theway that I broke down how to
stop your horse, if you canbreak it down into those baby
steps, it really does process.
Like the whole picture is somuch smoother and easier than we
think it's gonna be.
SPEAKER_03 (10:35):
Yeah.
Especially with horses, not justin life, too.
Well, I think it goes foreverything.
Baby steps for baby steps.
We're doing baby steps right nowwith our podcast.
Oh, we are.
Because I just want to apologizeif people that follow us are
getting duplicate posts orduplicate stories, or one minute
there's a story, the next minutethe story's gone, because I'm
(10:57):
trying to figure out this wholeFacebook Instagram thing.
And it's not as easy.
Well, when you're pushing 60,which I hate to admit, I feel
like my mom must feel withtechnology.
I mean, these young kids,they're putting up these stories
and reels like it's nothing.
(11:17):
And I'm going in and I'm like,well, wait a minute.
I already created a story andnow I'm trying to create a new
story, but it's oh it's a pain.
SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
I literally, no joke, deleted every single
duplicate you have put in there.
So for every single reel you'veput in or every single story,
I've deleted the second one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:35):
I thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome, my lovey.
SPEAKER_02 (11:37):
It's all I know.
Yeah, I know.
I actually sat down with asocial media person.
SPEAKER_03 (11:41):
God.
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
It was it was com comical.
SPEAKER_03 (11:44):
It was.
SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
It was so comical.
SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
So my apologies.
And my apologies to everybodyout there.
If you're like, what the hell isthis girl doing?
She has no idea.
Yeah, we don't know.
We don't have to.
We don't know.
We just decided to start apodcast.
We did.
We didn't think of it through.
But we're still having fun.
So the other thing, so moreabout Susan later.
We do have some video that we'regonna put on and share and share
(12:07):
with you guys just so you cansee.
And when we get the one of heractually ponying with us, uh
Tango, then we'll take somevideos so you can see her
progress and see how becauseshe's gonna be there in a
heartbeat.
She's already there.
SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
She's already there.
Yeah.
So we can't.
It's a matter of building her upand making sure that Emma is
okay with a ponying horse, notbeing okay.
SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
That's a true test.
Well, and the new thing welearned today is that her next
concern is ponying with otherhorses and tango.
SPEAKER_02 (12:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
She mentioned that she feels that Emma is
protective and might misbehave.
So that will be a learningopportunity for the future.
She's gonna get the confidenceof just ponying out on the trail
by herself, which I yes, 100%,Susan.
You're doing the right thing.
And then later we'll add in ourlittle spice and trigger.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
Yes, well, herd and trigger her and see how it goes.
We have helmets on.
Oh, speaking of helmets.
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
We wear helmets.
SPEAKER_02 (13:12):
Uh, y'all.
SPEAKER_03 (13:14):
Oh my gosh.
Today, so I had people havehurt.
I know we did not coin thisphrase.
Suicide or homicide.
That's what horses wake up with.
Today was suicide.
For Max and for Aspen, Aspen'swas a lot more dramatic.
So I'm gonna let you discusswhat happened with Aspen because
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that was a first.
Oh, let me preface.
Let me preface the edges of thetrail along certain areas is
really soft.
And when a horse is walking, youcould go into the dirt.
That is my buildup for what Karais now going to discuss while I
(13:56):
drink my wine.
SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
While you drink your shira.
It was just really weird andunexpected.
And I've known for a while thatshe was gonna fall because when
I ride her, she trips a lot andshe gets very high-headed.
She has a high headset, anyways.
She has a high headset on hershoulders.
She is a national show horse, soshe's basically half Arab and
(14:18):
half saddlebred.
And she has a huge slopingshoulder.
So when she decides to put herhead up, it's literally her.
SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
She's also very bendy.
She's this weird, like gummy andMax's pokey.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (14:33):
She's very gumby and she bends.
When we first got her, we wouldask her to back up and she would
lean backwards.
Her front feet wouldn't move,and she would just lean
backwards.
SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
She does a downward dog.
SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
She does do a downward dog.
SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in over 40
years of working with horses.
I have never seen a horse.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
I'm sorry.
Do this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
And she also does this thing where she shifts her
weight.
So she looks like she's stayingstill over four feet, and she's
not.
She's literally shifting herweight from one foot to the
other, and you can't tell unlessyou're on her.
It's the weirdest thing.
Anyway, so we were cruising downthe trail, and she'd had a
couple adrenaline moments whenwe went to go pick up Susan.
(15:17):
She had an adrenaline momentthen because one of the horses
was running around in thepaddock and she's very
hyper-aware of other horses.
And then we were cruising downtowards the other end of the
trail, and she was also havingsome adrenaline moment.
I think that she could sensethat we were headed towards the
prison.
Our prison has the holding penfor the Mustangs, and we're one
(15:39):
of the famous.
Well, I'm not, but our prison isfamous for the amazing horses
that they trained.
SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
And the program.
And the program for which is notvery well depicted in the movie
Mustang or whatever that namewas, but it's okay.
That movie was not.
SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
It wasn't a realistic depiction because
those men do not get to leavethe compound.
SPEAKER_03 (16:01):
100%.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
But the animals are spectacular.
The course they are output.
So whenever we head that way onthe trail, she tends to get a
little high-headed.
And it was the weirdest thing.
She slipped her little back footslipped in the super deep sand.
And then when she tried to moveforward, she tripped on her
front end, and I could feel herright front foot tripped first,
(16:24):
then her left front foottripped, and she went all the
way down.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
She liked splayed.
It was weird to watch.
I wish I had my video going.
I know.
I hate that.
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
But it was such a weird thing for me to feel as
well.
So she plopped down on theground.
She fell.
She really did fell.
And she fell first on I thinkher knees, and then she just
completely fell and she couldnot even stand up.
She was not able to move.
And then I felt her try to move,and I knew that she couldn't
because she didn't even get tothe body.
SPEAKER_03 (16:59):
And then didn't she didn't she try to stand up and
then fell again?
SPEAKER_02 (17:02):
And that's when I knew, okay, there took the dive.
Yeah, she there was no way shewas going to be able to get back
up with me on her.
Right.
Because you can.
You can when a horse falls likethat, you can actually stay on
them.
And as long as you braceyourself and listeners, if this
ever happens to you, what you'llwant to do is you're gonna want
to put your hand on their neckbecause when they go to stand
(17:25):
up, their neck can hit your faceand break your nose and give you
a take your feet out of thestirrups.
SPEAKER_03 (17:31):
Because if you do have to take a dive, you don't
want to have to worry aboutgetting caught up in the
stirrups.
That's true.
SPEAKER_02 (17:35):
But while this was all going down, sure, all I
thought about was her hitting myface.
I've had that happen before.
So I didn't want to get a brokenface again.
Right.
When they hit you in the noseand you break your nose, you're
gonna get a concussion at thesame time.
So I braced my hand on her neck,and then when she tried to get
up a second time and couldn't, Ithought this is my moment.
I took my feet out of thestirrups.
(17:57):
One was already halfway out,anyways, and I literally just
rolled onto the ground because Ithought it was the safest move
to try to get away from her.
SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
I rolled to the right of her body, she then was
able to stand, and I felt likefor a moment she was gonna come
towards my middle.
She did.
SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
She came leaned towards you.
SPEAKER_02 (18:16):
Because she leans.
SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
Yeah.
And and you were the first thingyou said was off, off, off, or I
don't remember what shescreamed.
You did, and she listened.
SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
She's a good girl.
SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
She backed off.
She did.
And she did not scream.
SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
She's like, Oh, okay, I don't want to hurt mama.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:29):
We're always afraid of our horses getting loose, but
we don't need to be.
She stood there and she waited,and I was fine.
I did not get hurt at all.
And I was worried that maybe shehad hurt something.
Right.
So I walked her on the trail andshe was fine.
And I got back on.
She had a little bit of ahigh-headed carriage until we
got to the end of the trail.
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And when we were away from theprison, she returned back to
normal to her relaxed state.
But I feel bad because you know,I always feel bad when something
gets hurt or potential for pain.
She didn't seem like she hurtherself at all, which is why I
got back on her.
And you guys both did perfectly.
And the crazy thing is, like,I've always known she was gonna
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fall.
SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
I know.
We've said that from this dayone.
We will never ride along SpoonerRidge or no, we're not taking
her on ledges.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
No, and know your horse.
This horse needs a wide trail,and even then, she might fall.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Her strength is not knowingwhere she is putting her feet.
She doesn't.
She just doesn't.
And when she's nervous, shetrips more and she just looks
out like she's that fish fromthat movie.
She's just looking from onething to the next.
(19:42):
Yeah.
She's so dramatic and so sheshifts her weight, and I love
her to pieces.
You know, I love riding her.
I know you do.
I know she's your horse.
So she's your horse.
Thanks, friend.
She is your horse.
I think she's our communalhorse.
SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
She is our communal horse, but I lean more towards
she's your horse.
I just love her so much.
SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
So yeah, she's okay.
She's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Yeah, she is.
SPEAKER_02 (20:04):
We're gonna give her some butte, make sure she
doesn't.
I already did.
Oh, you did?
Thank you, friend.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
Yeah.
So right before that happened, Iwas riding Max, and I think his
back feet hit that soft edge ofthe trail.
He tripped and he went down onhis front legs.
I'm telling you what, I havebeen riding him in a hackamore
for the last, I'd say, four orfive months.
SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
I was just gonna say almost six months.
SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
And there is nothing that I do with him in that
hackamore that I could do anydifferently with a bit.
I I understand bits, I'm nothere to advocate for one or the
other.
I always worry about being toohard on my horse's mouths.
So it's just a personal thingfor me.
I know that there's value in alltools.
(20:53):
Right.
You know, I do he is doingreally well in this Hackamore,
and I felt even better knowinghe was wearing it because when
he went down on his front legsand I was pulling up, I knew I
was just pulling up on his face.
Yeah.
You know, I wasn't pullingagainst his tongue, and he got
up.
It was not as dramatic as yoursin the least.
(21:16):
So much so that you didn't evennotice he went down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
No, I just noticed him tripping.
He tripped, he tripped, and thenhis back feet did this weird
thing.
His little toes in the back wentunderneath, and he was sort of
walking on his back cannons fora hot second.
SPEAKER_03 (21:30):
And I just thought, what the f please Because we
went down in the front.
Poor buddy.
We must have been so perfectlylined up that I did not that you
did not even see it.
And I didn't go forward.
I stayed.
And I helped him up with hishead.
SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
That makes sense.
Well, and I've beenhyper-focused on those back legs
for a couple weeks.
Yeah.
Because Sandy asked me to watchthem because I saw him do
something weird.
So I've just been payingattention to his back legs.
So weird, friend.
On the same day.
SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
I know.
And I did see Emma trip a littlebit.
It was just a small Susan.
I don't even know if you feltit.
I feel like Susan's in the room.
We're talking to Susan rightnow.
Susan, I don't even know if youfelt it, but I did notice a
little bit of a trip.
And I felt like this is just theday.
There were so many people out onthe trail to meet.
(22:20):
It was crazy.
It was.
It really, really was.
And I think it's because we allknow winter's here and it's
coming.
Right.
And so any nice day that MotherNature is willing to give us,
everyone is just out.
Yep.
That lady that was on the uhmechanical bike, she was not
happy.
Did you notice?
No, what did she say?
(22:40):
So remember when the guy on thebike stopped and we told him,
you can go, and we were walkingby and he was fiddling with
something.
Right.
While she came up on herelectric bike, which I'm sorry,
I think that's cheating.
People think that riding horsesis cheating, that the horse is
the one doing all the work.
No.
You don't see us in thedowntime.
(23:00):
Us riding that horse is ourrelaxation.
That's our five percent of thetime that we are.
Yes, exactly.
Feeding, cleaning, hopingthey're not dying.
I mean, come on.
So she's on this electric bike.
She was coming up fast and shehad to stop.
(23:21):
We were single file.
We were not the cause of thespace.
No, we were not taking up a lotof space.
No, no, no.
It was because we were on oneside and he had stopped.
So she had to stop.
She was not acknowledging us atall.
And I thought, because I thinkI'm so funny, as I was riding
by, I said, Oh my god, there's atraffic jam on the trail.
(23:42):
I heard you say that, but I wasalready past.
I know.
And she didn't even acknowledgeit.
I was like, hey, have a goodride.
And she said, Yeah, you too.
So then I thought they weretogether.
Did you?
Yeah.
They were not.
Okay.
They were not, no.
And then when we were furtherdown, she obviously had turned
around and was coming back.
And I said, Oh, you're on yourway back.
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And that's when she said, I'mrunning out of gas.
I'm like, lady, you're runningout of more than just gas, trust
me.
Your whole personality isrunning out of whatever, because
you're just not happy.
And why are you even out here?
SPEAKER_02 (24:15):
Yeah, you're supposed to be enjoying nature.
Yes.
We run into all kinds of so manydifferent personalities.
People and personalities.
And most of them are lovely.
Most of them are so kind and I'dsay 99%.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
Think of how far those dogs went away from us
today.
Every single person with a dogput it on a leash and went about
10 feet away.
Yes.
Except for that one lady wherethere was rocks and she couldn't
with the white dog.
SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
I was kind of feeling bad for that dog.
She was trying to get it to gointo the gulf.
She was being nice to us.
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
She was nervous.
Did you hear her?
She was nervous the dog wasgoing to attack the horses.
That's what she said.
SPEAKER_03 (24:49):
Is that what it was about?
That's what she said.
I was misjudging her because Ithought she was being mean by
making her dog go in the rock.
SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
She said her dog likes to attack horses, and so
she was trying to pull him so hewouldn't.
SPEAKER_03 (24:58):
Well, why didn't she just follow her friend up into
the dirt?
SPEAKER_02 (25:01):
I think she herself was not able to cross that.
She was pretty feeble.
SPEAKER_03 (25:06):
Oh, okay.
All right.
I apologize to that person thatI misjudged.
SPEAKER_02 (25:12):
It happens.
Who knows?
SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
Normally, though, you know, those types of dogs,
even when they hold them, thedog is still like, and he didn't
do that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
I'm glad.
I would rather have her hold herdog like that than not, because
we've been on the trail withdogs before, and it's not good.
And people are really weird.
SPEAKER_03 (25:31):
Well, what about that one?
You were riding Autumn, and youwere waiting down at the bottom
of the hill for me to come downbecause Max is so slow.
And that gentleman who is aneighbor who is very nice.
He's a nice guy.
He's a nice guy.
I know who he is.
His dog was a young golden andkept running up to Autumn while
you were standing there, and yousaid, sir, my horse will kick.
(25:54):
And his response was, Well, itwill be the last time he does
it.
And I thought, well, that's notright.
And sure enough, Autumn kickedhim.
Yep.
She's a very polite kickerthough.
Because she caught him square inthe middle of the chest and
pushed.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
She did.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
It wasn't, I'm not saying she knew what she was
doing.
It's just the the energy behindher kick was not one of
striking.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (26:20):
In my opinion.
It was more of a solid kick topush him away, not to kill him.
SPEAKER_02 (26:28):
He got lucky.
SPEAKER_03 (26:29):
They both got lucky.
Why would you even have thatmentality for your dog?
I don't know.
Why that is not something a dogneeds to learn.
I don't want to go through that.
And that's how I feel too aboutsome people on the trail that
say, Oh, my dog has never seen ahorse.
I want him to learn.
Well, you know what?
Not today.
Not today, Satan.
No, not today.
SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
I have that sticker.
SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
Yeah.
Exactly.
Because your dog doesn't have tolearn that.
And I don't want to be the oneteaching it.
Right.
That's not fair to put on theperson riding the horse.
SPEAKER_02 (27:02):
Do you have anything else to add?
Just that I knew this was gonnahappen with Aspen Falling.
I'm very glad it happened theway that it did.
I think so too.
And I'm going to keep followingmy instincts that I know are
real because time and again Ihave proven to be on freaking
(27:23):
target.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (27:25):
I would agree.
SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
What I think is going on.
And I I have more and more faithin my skills of observation as
I've aged.
SPEAKER_03 (27:33):
I rely on your skills of observation.
It has probably saved a lot ofmy horses.
Thank you, friends.
You're very welcome.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
I think that's one of the biggest skills in
horsemanship that people don'ttalk about is just your need to
observe, especially observeyourself.
And I feel like that's whatSusan is learning.
SPEAKER_03 (27:52):
I do too.
SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
And I'm hoping that she takes that to heart.
Is your reaction to what'shappening is the most important
thing.
SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
Because when it happened with Max and when it
happened with Aspen, Emma wasgreat.
SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
Emma was fast.
SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
And when I looked at Susan, she was relaxed.
Because it happened so fast.
SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
In a split second.
SPEAKER_03 (28:12):
I think it happens so fast you don't even have a
chance to react.
SPEAKER_02 (28:15):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (28:15):
And I think that's a godsend.
Because you don't need to react.
You don't need to have thatdrama.
I think it's all working outvery well.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Me too.
I'm happy for her.
Because it's just gonna getbetter.
SPEAKER_03 (28:26):
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
Horses just make our lives better, and the more that
we can do with them, it expandsour horizons too.
SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
And if she can go out, I know that she's part of a
writing group, and if she can goout with that writing group, or
with the people that she's metfrom that writing group, and
take Tango and pony him.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
It's just gonna enrich his life, it's gonna
expand her abilities.
Exactly.
It's gonna give other peopleguts to do it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:48):
Sure, I have to say something.
My sister, uh, when she listenedto our introduction, she was
very surprised that I didn'ttalk about my very first horse.
Oh.
My very first horse wasimaginary.
It's about five years old.
That's so cute.
My next door neighbor and I, wehad a horse named Zinza.
SPEAKER_02 (29:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (29:06):
Zinza would spend the night at each other's house.
I would even pretend my bike wasa horse.
Oh.
And my bike's name was Zinza.
My sister was very surprisedthat I didn't bring up Zinza.
So I'm bringing up Zinza now.
You when you're a little kid,you just I just always wanted a
fucking horse.
Zinza was my horse.
So much so that when I got myvery first horse for real, I
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named her Zinza.
Because she had a really weirdArabian show name.
Like those horse show names.
Silhouette.
I'm like, who names their horseSilhouette?
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
We don't.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (29:39):
It has a bar name and a show name here.
Two distinct different names.
SPEAKER_03 (29:42):
Which was Zinza.
And my menopause is kicking in,and I've kind of lost track of
why I brought that up.
That's okay.
Um, I remember now.
Leveling up.
I leveled up from my imaginaryhorse.
And I explained to Susan, Ithink we all set out on our
horse journey.
With one particular thing inmind.
I thought all I was gonna do wasride around the barn.
(30:04):
I don't need a trailer, I don'tneed writing friends, and then
you're like, hey, let's go,trailer.
And I was like, hey, this isreally cool.
I need a trailer, I need atruck, I need this, I need that.
And you start to level up.
I think that's what Susan isgoing through right now.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
Absolutely.
It's an evolution.
SPEAKER_03 (30:20):
A hundred percent.
And when she started out inVegas, she got her horse.
That was her scenario, that washer life.
Then she decided, hey, I want todo this.
And when I retire, I'm gonnamove here.
And then she moved up here withus.
Now she wants to do more, andshe's asking Emma to do more.
So she's leveling up Emmabecause she's not getting rid of
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Emma and buying a level uphorse.
She's trying to level up both ofthem at the same time.
And that's amazing.
It is fantastic.
It is.
One of the conversations I hadwith her was you have to give
Emma time.
You're asking her to do thingsthat she's never had to do
before.
On top of living in a newenvironment, she's not in a barn
(31:03):
anymore.
She doesn't have all thosehorses that were her friends at
that time.
It's okay to level up, but giveyourself that time and then give
your horse that time andpatience.
Absolutely.
So I think I'm done monologuingbecause the wine is kicking in.
I don't know if our listenerscan tell, but no, it's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
I I feel like we've touched on this subject before.
When I said that Bob was myhorse that I was just gonna keep
and whatever he wanted to do, Iwas going to have him be my
horse.
And I feel that same way aboutArmani.
And I think if you choose to besomeone who's involved in a
sport and the horse can't levelup with you as you move through
(31:44):
the ranks and you get better andbetter at what you do.
SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
You don't just discard that horse and get a
level up horse.
Oh no, people do.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
And it's for me, that's okay.
If they are on a personaljourney of excelling within our
sport, that's what they have todo.
SPEAKER_03 (31:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
I love it when people try to find those horses
amazing homes, and they usuallydo because they've brought that
horse to a certain level, andnow that horse can do that horse
can be a level and that can be alevel up horse for another
person.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Exactly.
I get it.
I'm sorry.
I will just drink my wine andlet Kara keep talking.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
It's okay, friend.
My favorite horses are thehorses that are the teachers,
those gave me my riding life.
I am an excellent rider.
I have always wanted to be anexcellent rider, and it was my
goal from day one as a childthat riding was gonna be my
favorite number one thing.
And then, like you said, thingschange.
(32:41):
I decided it's the individualhorse that matters to me.
And I spent my life with Bobdecades, and it was oh I'm gonna
cry.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
We are so going through metal.
It's he was just he's just thebest horse, it was just the best
horse.
SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
He was the best horse, and it was because him
and I were so close andconnected and connected, and I
talked to him and he talkedback.
We had conversations that werephysical and emotional, and we
were connected.
And I'm gonna do the same thingwith Armani.
The way that thank you, friend,the way that Susan is doing this
with Emma, I am on a journeywith Armani.
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You are my chosen one, yes, andI am so excited for our future,
and I don't know what it holds,but I have seen him do
pirouettes, I am not joking you,all on his own, outside my
backyard, just doing littledressage pirouettes because he's
chasing Autumn away from thehay, and I just think he was
(33:39):
built to do that.
So I really hope that he wantsto learn with me on his back.
SPEAKER_03 (33:43):
So when are we going to uh ride?
Pony him.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
Oh, pony?
I think he's pretty ready topony.
Why don't we take him on a fewmore walks?
Make sure that his skills at notbiting us are good.
He was fantastic the last timewe took him out, but let's make
sure that he is still superrespectful.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
Do you feel that Autumn is in a place where you
could put a saddle on her?
Because I was thinking if youwere to put a saddle on her and
just ride her around in thearena and pony him, see how he
does.
Let me check.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
Yeah, I'll check her.
I'll check her this weekend, seehow she's doing.
I don't want to ride her if weshouldn't.
No, of course not.
SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Autumn has something going on with her back foot.
She's been out all season.
SPEAKER_01 (34:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (34:22):
Yeah, I'll check her.
I think she's doing it onpurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
I'm excited for Susan for me, and I think that
there are a lot of women outthere that have made this choice
as well.
But there are a lot of horsewomen and men too who have
decided to stay with their horseor their group of friends.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
And try to level up together.
SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
And try to level up together versus chasing the
ribbons.
And I do not begrudge anyone whochases the ribbons.
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
No, of course not.
That's what's keeping theindustry out in public.
So thank you to everybody who isout there chasing the ribbons
and chasing the money.
Because it it inspires people.
It does.
It inspires a person to get ahorse.
There's so many horses out therethat need families.
Need families.
That's very, very important.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
Mine was a rescue.
SPEAKER_03 (35:11):
All right.
Well, today was a good day.
I really enjoyed thisdiscussion, and thank you for
the wine.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
Yeah, no worries.
SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
Very good.
Love you, friends.
I love you too, Toodles.
SPEAKER_02 (35:20):
Toodles.
Hey friends.
That's the end of today's ride.
We hope you enjoyed listening.
Don't forget to follow SaddleTalk with Sandy and Cara
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Please leave us a review, shareus with a friend, and saddle up
with us next time as we ridethrough more stories, questions,
and our wild tangents.
Till then, friends, keep yourboots dusty and your hard hats
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on.
We hope to see you out on thetrail.
SPEAKER_00 (35:45):
Dandy and Kara stir up swinging free, talking about
life and love and mystery.
From coyotes to coffee, they'llcover it all with a sagebrush
blowing and the wild birds call.
So cinch up your boots.
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