February 25, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, the host welcomes author and speaker Amy Seiffert. They discuss Amy’s new book, 'Your Name Is Daughter,' which explores the lives of women in the Bible and their significance. Amy shares her personal journey of faith, the impact of neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) on her spiritual life, and the transformational idea of being a 'daughter of the king.' The conversation touches on the challenges women face in marriage and ministry, the importance of community, and the healing power of faith. Amy aims to inspire and encourage women, both in and outside the church, to embrace their God-given roles and potential. This episode is a heartfelt discussion on finding identity, purpose, and strength through faith.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:43 Amy Seifert's New Book
01:04 Personal Stories and Faith Journeys
02:49 Amy's Background and Faith Discovery
07:38 Discussing Women in the Bible
13:18 The Message of 'Your Name is Daughter'
17:59 Encouragement for Women
20:59 Reaching Beyond the Church
24:24 Final Thoughts and Farewell
Amy Seiffert is a popular author, speaker, and YouVersion Bible teacher. Cohost of The Seminary Sisters podcast with Jami Nato, she regularly appears on other media such as LIFE Today with James & Betty Robison, The Alli Worthington Show, Three Words podcast, Radical Radiance, Girls Talking Life podcast, and many others. She has spoken at numerous churches, conferences, retreats, and events, including Propel Women, Soma City Church, Redemption Chapel, Ventura Missionary Church, and at various CRU ministry events. Amy and her husband live with their three kids in Bowling Green, Ohio. Learn more at AmySeiffert.com.
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Speaker (00:01):
Welcome listeners.
I have a treat for you today.
I have Amy Seifert with me and I, whenI was kind of begging Amy to be on
the podcast, I was like, I promise Iwill do a little dance if you say yes,
because Amy is someone who I am justgoing to get to know a little bit better
today, but I started following her onInstagram, loved the message Amy that
(00:25):
you have and started reading your book.
Um, Okay.
Now I was going to make sureI knew the title and I didn't.
So it's about, um, starving,what, say, what is it?
Yeah.
That one is called starved.
Yeah.
Oh, there you go.
You got it.
So that was a great book.
But what I want my listeners to knowis Amy's got a book coming out today.
(00:48):
And I'm really excitedto learn more about that.
And we'll have a link in the show notesso listeners can jump in and read it.
And I haven't read it yet, butI'm really looking forward to it.
And Amy, I have to tell youthat when the title of the
book is, your name is daughter.
And as my listeners know, I, mylife has been changing and I've been
(01:08):
going through some things and reallyso, and Amy, you don't know me.
So I had like a little, they caught,um, Stage one breast cancer, but I
had like to go through chemo and I'mjust still coming out of all of this
Speaker 2 (01:22):
girl.
Speaker (01:23):
Um, And it really made me stop and go, whoa.
And I felt like God wassaying, rewire your brain.
And so I've been working with some, um,a really strong Christian gal that I
love, and we've been doing, um, NLP worklike neuro, neuro linguistic programming.
(01:44):
And one of my key things that haschanged my life is the statement.
I am a daughter of the king.
So when I saw your book too, I was like,Oh, this is going to be so, so good.
So listeners just join us.
Uh, Stick around for the ride.
Amy's going to give us her little storyso we get to know her authentic story
(02:06):
as to what led her to do this work.
She is, and she is a big deal.
You've got books.
You've got a huge following.
You are, you've got a podcast.
So, you know, you're not justlike a little gal sitting there
taking care of your babies.
You're doing a lot of things.
And, um, if people go find you onInstagram, they will see all of that.
So we're going to get her story.
(02:26):
And we're going to talk a little bitabout exchanging fear and doubt for
confidence and faith, because thatis something I always need to do.
And I feel like so many women do.
Yeah.
I'm just so curious.
We're probably at the end going totalk a little bit about reaching
women outside of the church.
So those are things we're goingto kind of cover a little bit,
but Amy, thank you for being here.
(02:48):
Welcome.
And can you please just introduceyourself and share your story
as to what led you here?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Well, thanks for sharing someof your journey and man, I love
therapy and theology together.
We need it all.
And so I'm so grateful.
Yes.
Um, the rewiring of our neuropathways.
Come on.
That's so good.
Um, Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
You're so kind.
You're so fun.
Um, I, I, I feel like a circus.
(03:18):
I'm juggling things and I dropballs all the time, but don't think
I'm shiny or anything like that.
Like, we're just out here doing things.
Speaker (03:24):
Well, and I told Amy what, before we jumped on, I said, well, you know, hon.
You get to be a grandma.
I had a circus with my threekiddos and now I've got another
circus with my grandchildren.
So yeah, yeah, it justdoesn't end, but it's fun.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know what?
Laughter goes a long way.
So it's all good.
Lightheartedness.
Um, yeah.
So I, man, I'm, I'm so grateful to behere and I'm excited about this message.
Um, your name is daughter and even,um, walking with Jesus, having Found
him for the first time when I was 15and opening my Bible for the first
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time and really being enamored with.
God's word.
I was like, this is phenomenal.
I was drawn right to it.
Um, and couldn't get away from it andhas clung to his word and found some
teaching and preaching and leadershipgifts along the way and through the
valleys of all kinds of things that wehave walked through as a family, um,
(04:21):
to even right now in my author life.
Um, I, I identify with God as ashepherd in my life in so many ways
that I, yeah, I just am thankfulto have found myself shepherded
right here to this, this moment.
Speaker (04:41):
I love that.
Okay.
Can you give me a little bit more?
So you're 15 and you find God andit, and it doesn't, and you're
different than me because I oddlykind of felt like I always had him.
Like, I felt like I, I didn't havelike this, aha, where there he is.
I just felt like he was always there.
So tell me about what happened whenyou were 15 that led you to read
(05:03):
the Bible and, and to discover him.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Absolutely.
Um, I grew up in a Catholicbackground, so I was in church.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, and there was sucha rich heritage there.
My grandma was a woman of faith and,um, shared different things with me.
So I was curious.
Um, but it wasn't until I went to younglife camp, a friend took me there in
Saranac, New York, that I was like, Oh,it was the first time that I understood.
(05:30):
Um, I didn't, I didn't really get whenI was sitting in Catholic mass, why
Jesus was on the cross and they younglife explained, um, well, he died for
us, for our sins to know him, but he's.
Off the cross resurrected living now,and we get to live that life with him.
(05:53):
And I, I really did have a momentby the lake when I was 15, after
the gospel was explained to me whereI asked like, Jesus, I need you.
I, I need a rescuer.
And I did feel like about 50pounds was removed from my
shoulders that night by the lake.
Like I, almost felt a physicalsensation of being free and light.
(06:15):
And, um, it was an experience with God.
I'll never forget.
And, and from there, I justcouldn't get away from him.
And even I couldn't get awayfrom his word specifically.
I'm, I'm a reader.
I was a literature major and God's wordwith all the nine genres going on in
(06:35):
there has been so fascinating to me.
Um, but yeah, it started young lifecamp was such an experience for me.
Speaker (06:43):
Well, and I think as you're talking, you know, there's, I feel
like there's proof of, of God in somany things and so many miracles, but
it really is such a personal journey.
And so I say, like, I could see himalways there with me, but I feel,
and I was begging to connect with himcloser to really surrender to him right
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before all this kind of took place.
And.
I too, it was like, I would have nevermade it through what, because there were
other things going on in my life as well.
And so I would not have made it through.
And that is sometimes it's hard toexplain the real proof of our father.
Uh, but when you live it, you know it.
(07:28):
And so if you're questioning,I'm just like, just keep digging.
Yes.
Being and connecting becauseI'm still learning and I'm still
getting drawn closer to him.
And so so tell me about What led youto write this book because another
thing I've been thinking about Amy isI have a lot of women who have gone
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through divorce because like, you knowI have a podcast called doing divorce
different and settle up live and I dowalk people through an amicable Divorce.
I like to keep, keep themtogether as much as I can.
And I work with people that way too.
But I think I was, it's so funny becauseI was thinking about the women who
perhaps are not loved by their husbandsand maybe they made a bad choice.
(08:13):
Maybe they weren't a Christianwhen they married their husband.
Maybe they've grown and changedand they feel like, you know, I've
made this covenant with this man.
And I kept thinkingabout Leah, Leah or Leah.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (08:27):
either one.
Yeah.
Speaker (08:28):
Alright.
Either one.
Well then it was funny 'cause I waskind of checking you out and you were
talking about it on your podcast.
Yeah.
about her.
And I thought, how did she do it?
Like could, I thought, could she, I waslooking for someone to give me an example
so that I could help women who are in amarriage where they're not feeling loved.
Yeah.
And then.
(08:48):
Wham, bam.
You're like, you get this book,you're talking about women.
So can you talk aboutthat just a little bit?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah.
Do you mean Leahspecifically or just like,
Speaker (08:58):
well, I kind of, yeah, well, I want to talk about the women a little
bit more, but Leah specifically for thosewomen who are kind of in a marriage.
That they're not going to leave becausethey feel like they're in covenant.
They're not, you know, there'snot a reason for them to really
leave, except maybe they'renot loved or, you know, maybe.
So what do you, what, what then?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know.
I mean, that is, that is extremely hard.
My heart goes out and it's, I mean, everyday would be a battle to feel like, uh, In
a, in an unloved marriage, that's so hard.
Um, and I'm going to go back totherapy plus theology, right?
Like to go to, to be in a spacewhere you have to be so sure and
(09:42):
on your inner sense of who you are,accepting who you are and knowing
that you really are loved specificallyby God, specifically as a, his.
I mean, not only God as father, butlover, husband, all, all of those
spaces, because I, I was just talkingto a young woman the other day.
(10:03):
I'm like, man, um, I, I dohave a good marriage, but he's
not called to be my healer.
He might be a part of my healing,but he's not in charge of my healing.
Um, God alone is.
a healer in my life and speaks things andheals things in my soul that no one can.
(10:23):
Um, and that is by spending time withhim, going on a lot of long walks
with God and poor, I go to Hannahwhen I feel unloved, like she, her.
Hannah was married to Elkanaand you see this in First Samuel
and there was another wife too.
(10:45):
Um, Penina, Penina, maybe?
Is that how you say it?
That always makes it tricky, doesn'tit, to have another wife there?
I mean, that was not,that was not God's design.
Okay.
No.
Let's be specific.
Yeah, and she, and she didn't,Hannah didn't have any kids, but
the other wife did and would likerub it in her face as her rival.
And so she went straight to the templeand you see Hannah on the ground, praying,
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pouring out her heart to the Lord so muchso that the priest Eli thought she was
drunk and was like, what are you doing?
And she's like, Oh, I'mnot, I'm not drinking.
I'm pouring my heart out to God askingfor a baby like this, this deep need
inside of me, I'm taking it right to God.
And he blesses her.
Um, and it's like, may,may you have what you want?
(11:33):
And so I, her bold audacity togo to God, cry all her tears.
And then he bought,and then she's blessed.
I'm like, okay, this is our call.
Often when we have something inside ofus that we, that is so broken and we
have to go to God and say, I, I need you.
There's no other way besides you.
Speaker (11:54):
Yeah.
Amen.
I love that.
And I think.
What you're saying is, is kind of whatI've shared with women is to find it in
God, like to know and to love yourself asmuch as God loves you and get, it can, but
you get to keep working on it and growing.
And a lot of times as you grow.
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And learn many times the spouses willkind of jump on, which is awesome and
it doesn't always happen, but a lot oftimes they'll kind of see your life change
and want to follow what you're doing.
And so
Speaker 2 (12:31):
it's freeing to, to, to release yourself from being
your husband's Holy spirit.
Like that's not your call.
And to be like, well, what can Icontrol my healing, my journey,
myself, I'm going to do this.
And.
Yes.
And that may, that may propel achange in your, in your relational
dynamic or the structure you'vebuilt or the way you've operated.
Speaker (12:52):
Yeah.
Yes.
And I know I am a person who can thinkthat I can fix, you know what I mean?
I want to go.
And so I think I've beenkind of hearing lately too.
He's got this, you know, God's gotthis and so, you know, just let
it give it to him and let it go.
And that's so hard, but yes, so, soAmy, what led you to want to write
(13:16):
a book about the women in the Bible?
Yeah.
Um,
Speaker 2 (13:20):
it's pretty layered.
So I, um, I'm in my mid fortiesand for the last 20 years I've
been in ministry and I have beenleading and teaching and preaching.
And, um, so one of the, the layers is, um,I've often gotten questions on, can you.
Can you do that?
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What does it look like for women to lead,teach and preach in different spaces?
And so having to answer those questions,I wanted to dig from Genesis to Revelation
to see what women are doing, um, whereGod has put them, what gifts are inside
of them, how has he commissioned them?
How has he called them?
So that's one part of writing this book,looking at the different daughters.
(14:01):
Um, the other part is I could not getaway from, uh, the story in Luke eight.
And I start here with the bookof the only woman called daughter
by Jesus is the bleeding woman.
And it's just, it's so beautifulbecause we know the bleeding one.
We know the bleeding woman by that name.
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We know her by a condition she doesn't,she's nameless until she goes bravely
and, and crosses all kinds of socialbarriers and boundaries because
she was unclean and her last ditcheffort was to grab, grab the hem.
And she thought to herself, ifI could, if I could just get to
Jesus, I think I can be healed.
And he turns around, searches for her.
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And the first words hesays to her is daughter.
And so now she's no longerknown by her condition.
She is known by her position.
And that pulls her out ofbeing on the margin, unclean.
She now is being restored to society.
She can be, she's made whole she's she'sclean, but, and she, she feels that she's
(15:09):
been healed in that moment in her body.
But I, I propose that maybe the mostpowerful thing that happened to her in
that moment was being called daughterand being healed with a name that Um,
she hasn't known before of Jesus saying,I'm going to push you back to the father.
You have a, you have a place,you have a seat at the table.
You are welcome at Sunday dinners.
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You are, you have a room and you have,you are restored in every kind of
way, both society, but also heavenly.
And I just couldn't get awayfrom the call of daughter.
And I wanted to explore what does thatmean as our, as our name is a daughter.
Speaker (15:46):
Well, and it doesn't.
When you say it, justmake you feel worthy.
Yes.
And when you were talking about that,you know, as I, I think about how I've
been healed physically, physicallycured, but I've never really thought
about it this way, the bigger pictureis a spiritual healing that is going on
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and continues to go on, you know, I'vehad, that's why I started doing the NLP.
I've had so many years of.
People pleasing and feeling unworthy.
And I don't know if every woman feelsthis way, but I sure the heck did.
And always questioning.
Um, you know, I have a passion in me to,to do my work and I have a passion in
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me to be my, to be a mama and a grandma.
And it's like, can you do,can the two merge together
and you're, you're doing it.
You know, you are doing itand, and I think they can.
And what I'm loving seeing inthese different generations.
So maybe something is changing.
Like when I look at mydaughter is a physician
Speaker 2 (16:53):
and
Speaker (16:53):
she's just finishing a residency and she's got a little
one, a little three year old and herhusband has really been the primary.
He's working too, but has cared for him.
Through this, my son and his wifeis a nurse and he is so, my husband
was involved in our children'slives, but he is so, they are
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really equal partners in it.
And then the grandmas come running inwhen my darling Aubrey's got to go,
she's the labor and delivery nurse.
And so then we get to be withour grandchildren and we're both
working too, a little bit, butso we're making it all work.
And I kind of came to the, butI came to the conclusion that
it's really a personal journey.
(17:34):
Don't you think Amy?
Like, yeah, some people, yeah, stay home.
And I did stay home for a bitwith my children and just kind
of worked a tiny little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, but I can't judge someone.
I don't know what God'scalling is for them.
And so I have really kind of cometo peace with that, that we all
have different callings from him andneither none are bigger or smaller.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right.
100%.
And I think that's the most beautifulthing women can give other women
is not judgment, but compassionand like cheerleading celebration
to say, I see what you're doing.
And even in this season, it may look likethis, but another season, it may change.
Great.
There is grace for every season.
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There's grace for the calling insideof you that may look different.
Throughout your life, just like you'resaying, um, but we can be our biggest
source of strength as other women, otherdaughters saying, how can I help you?
I don't do my life withoutthe help of other women.
That's just not possible.
We, we continually helpeach other do this.
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I long for more village life becausethat's truly the design, right?
What you just described this multigenerational multifaceted men
and women in marriages, seeingthemselves as side by side partners.
It's huge and necessary.
Yeah.
And so, so beneficial for the kids too.
Speaker (19:01):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Right.
All these different people in their life.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And, and yeah, and I think I heard thatyou live longer, um, you know, when
you spend time with your grandchildren.
Sure.
Yeah.
So that, that makes me happy,but they just, yeah, it just
makes me happy to be with them.
So, and I think Amy, when you talkabout being in community with other
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women, I think I spent so much of mylife not, I don't know what it is.
I know that when I first started workingright out of college, I worked at this
really unique company that was run bywomen and they were, they were more mature
than me and I had the greatest experience.
But I felt like women, my age andmy twenties were kind of like, I
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don't know that they were always,I don't know that they were always
there for me, but now I'm really.
learning about how good thatfeels to be in community.
We all need that.
I'm, I'm always searching for, I mean, I'mlike going to those exercises, classes,
and just trying to be around otherwomen and not judging and just loving.
(20:09):
Yes.
Yes.
I
Speaker 2 (20:10):
mean the, the greatest commandment is to
love God, love neighbor, not.
Judge neighbor
Speaker (20:18):
and you don't want to know what it's kind of hard for me sometimes.
I hate
Speaker 2 (20:22):
to say it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah
Speaker (20:24):
That's where I gotta ask for forgiveness You
Speaker 2 (20:27):
100 percent Absolutely.
No, this doesn't mean it's easyI definitely have to jump off
the judgment train and and switchto the compassion train because
We're just, we're just so human.
We're just so flawed and we're tryingand we need, we need community.
And I love that you're in other people'slives because as an older woman,
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you can really lead the way and helpmentor these younger women into the
celebration and camaraderie of sisterhood.
We need that.
Right.
Yeah.
Speaker (20:56):
Amen.
I so agree.
Okay.
So Amy, let me ask you, you're,you're wanting this book to not
just go out to women in the church.
You want to reach beyond.
Tell me about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah.
I'm, I think, um, I thinkthere's some message.
Well, for sure.
And culture, Americanculture, Western culture.
There's some questions about womenand what they can and cannot do.
Um, and you know, equal pay, allthe things, but also in the church.
And I think, um, I hope that it wouldactually be an encouragement to read
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a book that's like, Oh my gosh, hereI see these women, their stories doing
all kinds of things way back in theancient Near East and how God has, has
put them here to partner with him to dogreat things in his kingdom, that they
would draw encouragement with that.
Cause they might get, they might havea taste in their mouth about the church
that says one thing about women, but Iwant us to look biblically and I think
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they could really be encouraged of like.
Oh, yeah.
In fact, in the very beginning inthe garden, we see God made men
and women, male and female, in hisimage, side by side, equally blessed.
Before the curse, there was theblessing of them side by side together.
I think that could really heal some thingsthat they're wondering about when it
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comes to the church and Christian culture.
I think it could speak to them in a waythat would be fresh and draw them to God.
Yeah.
Speaker (22:29):
Yeah.
I love it.
I, well, I think, I think you'regonna, you're gonna have that happen
because that, uh, that message is sotrue and good and pure that, um, you
know, I just hope that listeners can,can just share it and send it out.
Um, so I just, there's one more,I'm looking at the time, I can't
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believe how fast it's gone.
I know, right?
I have, I just have, okay.
Okay.
So if there was like, if you could.
Have one message that you wanted.
You hoped your book would get out there.
What would that be for my listeners?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah.
Um, I would say that wherever you findyourself as a woman, whatever spot you're
in, whatever neighborhood you're in,whatever network you're in, um, it is not
by accident and there's nothing you cannotdo when your father calls you to it.
(23:29):
And.
To step into that and, um, trust God, talkto God often about where you are and what
he has for you to partner with him to do.
Speaker (23:42):
Yeah.
Isn't that, I mean, that issomething to you when you have God.
In you and you surrender yourcareer or whatever it is, there
is no, are you kidding me?
He created, there'snothing that can stop you.
He nothing.
He's,
Speaker 2 (23:59):
he's doing the thing.
You get to join him.
He's doing it.
Yes.
Which doesn't mean like you sitthere on your laurels, right?
No, he invites you inand that's what's fun.
We're going to look at all these storiesand your name is Donner and you're
like, Oh my gosh, she's doing thisand this and this, but with God, who's
got the machete, who's It's pioneeringthe way he's right there with them.
Speaker (24:20):
I love it.
I love it.
I'm so excited to read it.
I'm getting it today.
And, um, and maybe, you know, I, Ithink I'm going to do a podcast about
it when I'm done, you know, just tokind of talk about what I've learned.
So I was going to end itthere, but I can't help it.
I have a question for you.
That's in my mind.
And I'm thinking maybe the listeners arewondering too, why do you think it is?
(24:43):
That women, the whole Bible is about men.
I mean, a lot of it, right?
Like why do you think, and thereare stories about amazing women.
Yeah.
But why do you think it's so downplayed?
I've never, I've never really asked anyonethat I've never really delved into that.
So I'm just going to ask you if you know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah.
So I'm in seminary right now.
So we talk about this a lot.
Um, what's helpful to remember is that,um, the writers of Of the different parts
of the canon of the Bible, we're writingin a specific context, the ancient near
context, the ancient near east contextwhere it was a patriarchal society.
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Um, and the way that that was supposedto work was actually, it was supposed
to be really good that the father'shouse was a place of refuge caretaking.
And you saw the, the.
Patriarch was to really do all thesethings, but that often went awry
and did not help and benefit women.
So the background, I don't thinkit's the blueprint to only see men.
(25:50):
And that's why I want us to callout the gems, dig through the gems
and see all the women that are here.
Cause we can start to feel like, doesGod, I mean, that's in my introduction.
I had so many questions.
Does God only care about men?
Like, why are there somany dudes in the Bible?
But understanding that therewas a context, there was a, um,
cultural structure going on.
(26:10):
And so you're going to seethe patriarchs play that.
But man, the more you look, the womenare everywhere doing all kinds of things.
And I want, that's what I want toinvite women to, to, to see in my book.
We're everywhere.
It's really fun.
Speaker (26:27):
Oh, I can't
Speaker 2 (26:28):
wait.
Speaker (26:28):
I can't wait to read it, Amy.
Thank you so much.
And, and listeners grab it, goto my show notes and get it.
Or Amy, where else can they find you?
I'll have all the connections inthe show notes, but what's the
best way to connect with you?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, I think Instagram is really fun.
So I'm at Amy Seifert at, on Instagram.
Also, um, amyseifert.
com has all my books.
You can order there and you can getmy book wherever books are sold.
Uh, yeah, that's where you can find me.
Speaker (26:57):
Awesome.
All right, listeners.
Fine, Amy.
Amy, you are a doll.
Thank you so much for joining me.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
Take good care.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
All right.
You too.
Welcome listeners.
I have a treat for you today.
I have Amy Seifert with me and I, whenI was kind of begging Amy to be on
the podcast, I was like, I promise Iwill do a little dance if you say yes,
because Amy is someone who I am justgoing to get to know a little bit better
today, but I started following her onInstagram, loved the message Amy that
(00:25):
you have and started reading your book.
Um, Okay.
Now I was going to make sureI knew the title and I didn't.
So it's about, um, starving,what, say, what is it?
Yeah.
That one is called starved.
Yeah.
Oh, there you go.
You got it.
So that was a great book.
But what I want my listeners to knowis Amy's got a book coming out today.
(00:48):
And I'm really excitedto learn more about that.
And we'll have a link in the show notesso listeners can jump in and read it.
And I haven't read it yet, butI'm really looking forward to it.
And Amy, I have to tell youthat when the title of the
book is, your name is daughter.
And as my listeners know, I, mylife has been changing and I've been
(01:08):
going through some things and reallyso, and Amy, you don't know me.
So I had like a little, they caught,um, Stage one breast cancer, but I
had like to go through chemo and I'mjust still coming out of all of this
Speaker 2 (01:22):
girl.
Speaker (01:23):
Um, And it really made me stop and go, whoa.
And I felt like God wassaying, rewire your brain.
And so I've been working with some, um,a really strong Christian gal that I
love, and we've been doing, um, NLP worklike neuro, neuro linguistic programming.
(01:44):
And one of my key things that haschanged my life is the statement.
I am a daughter of the king.
So when I saw your book too, I was like,Oh, this is going to be so, so good.
So listeners just join us.
Uh, Stick around for the ride.
Amy's going to give us her little storyso we get to know her authentic story
(02:06):
as to what led her to do this work.
She is, and she is a big deal.
You've got books.
You've got a huge following.
You are, you've got a podcast.
So, you know, you're not justlike a little gal sitting there
taking care of your babies.
You're doing a lot of things.
And, um, if people go find you onInstagram, they will see all of that.
So we're going to get her story.
(02:26):
And we're going to talk a little bitabout exchanging fear and doubt for
confidence and faith, because thatis something I always need to do.
And I feel like so many women do.
Yeah.
I'm just so curious.
We're probably at the end going totalk a little bit about reaching
women outside of the church.
So those are things we're goingto kind of cover a little bit,
but Amy, thank you for being here.
(02:48):
Welcome.
And can you please just introduceyourself and share your story
as to what led you here?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Well, thanks for sharing someof your journey and man, I love
therapy and theology together.
We need it all.
And so I'm so grateful.
Yes.
Um, the rewiring of our neuropathways.
Come on.
That's so good.
Um, Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
You're so kind.
You're so fun.
Um, I, I, I feel like a circus.
(03:18):
I'm juggling things and I dropballs all the time, but don't think
I'm shiny or anything like that.
Like, we're just out here doing things.
Speaker (03:24):
Well, and I told Amy what, before we jumped on, I said, well, you know, hon.
You get to be a grandma.
I had a circus with my threekiddos and now I've got another
circus with my grandchildren.
So yeah, yeah, it justdoesn't end, but it's fun.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know what?
Laughter goes a long way.
So it's all good.
Lightheartedness.
Um, yeah.
So I, man, I'm, I'm so grateful to behere and I'm excited about this message.
Um, your name is daughter and even,um, walking with Jesus, having Found
him for the first time when I was 15and opening my Bible for the first
(03:59):
time and really being enamored with.
God's word.
I was like, this is phenomenal.
I was drawn right to it.
Um, and couldn't get away from it andhas clung to his word and found some
teaching and preaching and leadershipgifts along the way and through the
valleys of all kinds of things that wehave walked through as a family, um,
(04:21):
to even right now in my author life.
Um, I, I identify with God as ashepherd in my life in so many ways
that I, yeah, I just am thankfulto have found myself shepherded
right here to this, this moment.
Speaker (04:41):
I love that.
Okay.
Can you give me a little bit more?
So you're 15 and you find God andit, and it doesn't, and you're
different than me because I oddlykind of felt like I always had him.
Like, I felt like I, I didn't havelike this, aha, where there he is.
I just felt like he was always there.
So tell me about what happened whenyou were 15 that led you to read
(05:03):
the Bible and, and to discover him.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Absolutely.
Um, I grew up in a Catholicbackground, so I was in church.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, and there was sucha rich heritage there.
My grandma was a woman of faith and,um, shared different things with me.
So I was curious.
Um, but it wasn't until I went to younglife camp, a friend took me there in
Saranac, New York, that I was like, Oh,it was the first time that I understood.
(05:30):
Um, I didn't, I didn't really get whenI was sitting in Catholic mass, why
Jesus was on the cross and they younglife explained, um, well, he died for
us, for our sins to know him, but he's.
Off the cross resurrected living now,and we get to live that life with him.
(05:53):
And I, I really did have a momentby the lake when I was 15, after
the gospel was explained to me whereI asked like, Jesus, I need you.
I, I need a rescuer.
And I did feel like about 50pounds was removed from my
shoulders that night by the lake.
Like I, almost felt a physicalsensation of being free and light.
(06:15):
And, um, it was an experience with God.
I'll never forget.
And, and from there, I justcouldn't get away from him.
And even I couldn't get awayfrom his word specifically.
I'm, I'm a reader.
I was a literature major and God's wordwith all the nine genres going on in
(06:35):
there has been so fascinating to me.
Um, but yeah, it started young lifecamp was such an experience for me.
Speaker (06:43):
Well, and I think as you're talking, you know, there's, I feel
like there's proof of, of God in somany things and so many miracles, but
it really is such a personal journey.
And so I say, like, I could see himalways there with me, but I feel,
and I was begging to connect with himcloser to really surrender to him right
(07:06):
before all this kind of took place.
And.
I too, it was like, I would have nevermade it through what, because there were
other things going on in my life as well.
And so I would not have made it through.
And that is sometimes it's hard toexplain the real proof of our father.
Uh, but when you live it, you know it.
(07:28):
And so if you're questioning,I'm just like, just keep digging.
Yes.
Being and connecting becauseI'm still learning and I'm still
getting drawn closer to him.
And so so tell me about What led youto write this book because another
thing I've been thinking about Amy isI have a lot of women who have gone
(07:50):
through divorce because like, you knowI have a podcast called doing divorce
different and settle up live and I dowalk people through an amicable Divorce.
I like to keep, keep themtogether as much as I can.
And I work with people that way too.
But I think I was, it's so funny becauseI was thinking about the women who
perhaps are not loved by their husbandsand maybe they made a bad choice.
(08:13):
Maybe they weren't a Christianwhen they married their husband.
Maybe they've grown and changedand they feel like, you know, I've
made this covenant with this man.
And I kept thinkingabout Leah, Leah or Leah.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (08:27):
either one.
Yeah.
Speaker (08:28):
Alright.
Either one.
Well then it was funny 'cause I waskind of checking you out and you were
talking about it on your podcast.
Yeah.
about her.
And I thought, how did she do it?
Like could, I thought, could she, I waslooking for someone to give me an example
so that I could help women who are in amarriage where they're not feeling loved.
Yeah.
And then.
(08:48):
Wham, bam.
You're like, you get this book,you're talking about women.
So can you talk aboutthat just a little bit?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah.
Do you mean Leahspecifically or just like,
Speaker (08:58):
well, I kind of, yeah, well, I want to talk about the women a little
bit more, but Leah specifically for thosewomen who are kind of in a marriage.
That they're not going to leave becausethey feel like they're in covenant.
They're not, you know, there'snot a reason for them to really
leave, except maybe they'renot loved or, you know, maybe.
So what do you, what, what then?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know.
I mean, that is, that is extremely hard.
My heart goes out and it's, I mean, everyday would be a battle to feel like, uh, In
a, in an unloved marriage, that's so hard.
Um, and I'm going to go back totherapy plus theology, right?
Like to go to, to be in a spacewhere you have to be so sure and
(09:42):
on your inner sense of who you are,accepting who you are and knowing
that you really are loved specificallyby God, specifically as a, his.
I mean, not only God as father, butlover, husband, all, all of those
spaces, because I, I was just talkingto a young woman the other day.
(10:03):
I'm like, man, um, I, I dohave a good marriage, but he's
not called to be my healer.
He might be a part of my healing,but he's not in charge of my healing.
Um, God alone is.
a healer in my life and speaks things andheals things in my soul that no one can.
(10:23):
Um, and that is by spending time withhim, going on a lot of long walks
with God and poor, I go to Hannahwhen I feel unloved, like she, her.
Hannah was married to Elkanaand you see this in First Samuel
and there was another wife too.
(10:45):
Um, Penina, Penina, maybe?
Is that how you say it?
That always makes it tricky, doesn'tit, to have another wife there?
I mean, that was not,that was not God's design.
Okay.
No.
Let's be specific.
Yeah, and she, and she didn't,Hannah didn't have any kids, but
the other wife did and would likerub it in her face as her rival.
And so she went straight to the templeand you see Hannah on the ground, praying,
(11:09):
pouring out her heart to the Lord so muchso that the priest Eli thought she was
drunk and was like, what are you doing?
And she's like, Oh, I'mnot, I'm not drinking.
I'm pouring my heart out to God askingfor a baby like this, this deep need
inside of me, I'm taking it right to God.
And he blesses her.
Um, and it's like, may,may you have what you want?
(11:33):
And so I, her bold audacity togo to God, cry all her tears.
And then he bought,and then she's blessed.
I'm like, okay, this is our call.
Often when we have something inside ofus that we, that is so broken and we
have to go to God and say, I, I need you.
There's no other way besides you.
Speaker (11:54):
Yeah.
Amen.
I love that.
And I think.
What you're saying is, is kind of whatI've shared with women is to find it in
God, like to know and to love yourself asmuch as God loves you and get, it can, but
you get to keep working on it and growing.
And a lot of times as you grow.
(12:15):
And learn many times the spouses willkind of jump on, which is awesome and
it doesn't always happen, but a lot oftimes they'll kind of see your life change
and want to follow what you're doing.
And so
Speaker 2 (12:31):
it's freeing to, to, to release yourself from being
your husband's Holy spirit.
Like that's not your call.
And to be like, well, what can Icontrol my healing, my journey,
myself, I'm going to do this.
And.
Yes.
And that may, that may propel achange in your, in your relational
dynamic or the structure you'vebuilt or the way you've operated.
Speaker (12:52):
Yeah.
Yes.
And I know I am a person who can thinkthat I can fix, you know what I mean?
I want to go.
And so I think I've beenkind of hearing lately too.
He's got this, you know, God's gotthis and so, you know, just let
it give it to him and let it go.
And that's so hard, but yes, so, soAmy, what led you to want to write
(13:16):
a book about the women in the Bible?
Yeah.
Um,
Speaker 2 (13:20):
it's pretty layered.
So I, um, I'm in my mid fortiesand for the last 20 years I've
been in ministry and I have beenleading and teaching and preaching.
And, um, so one of the, the layers is, um,I've often gotten questions on, can you.
Can you do that?
(13:41):
What does it look like for women to lead,teach and preach in different spaces?
And so having to answer those questions,I wanted to dig from Genesis to Revelation
to see what women are doing, um, whereGod has put them, what gifts are inside
of them, how has he commissioned them?
How has he called them?
So that's one part of writing this book,looking at the different daughters.
(14:01):
Um, the other part is I could not getaway from, uh, the story in Luke eight.
And I start here with the bookof the only woman called daughter
by Jesus is the bleeding woman.
And it's just, it's so beautifulbecause we know the bleeding one.
We know the bleeding woman by that name.
(14:23):
We know her by a condition she doesn't,she's nameless until she goes bravely
and, and crosses all kinds of socialbarriers and boundaries because
she was unclean and her last ditcheffort was to grab, grab the hem.
And she thought to herself, ifI could, if I could just get to
Jesus, I think I can be healed.
And he turns around, searches for her.
(14:44):
And the first words hesays to her is daughter.
And so now she's no longerknown by her condition.
She is known by her position.
And that pulls her out ofbeing on the margin, unclean.
She now is being restored to society.
She can be, she's made whole she's she'sclean, but, and she, she feels that she's
(15:09):
been healed in that moment in her body.
But I, I propose that maybe the mostpowerful thing that happened to her in
that moment was being called daughterand being healed with a name that Um,
she hasn't known before of Jesus saying,I'm going to push you back to the father.
You have a, you have a place,you have a seat at the table.
You are welcome at Sunday dinners.
(15:30):
You are, you have a room and you have,you are restored in every kind of
way, both society, but also heavenly.
And I just couldn't get awayfrom the call of daughter.
And I wanted to explore what does thatmean as our, as our name is a daughter.
Speaker (15:46):
Well, and it doesn't.
When you say it, justmake you feel worthy.
Yes.
And when you were talking about that,you know, as I, I think about how I've
been healed physically, physicallycured, but I've never really thought
about it this way, the bigger pictureis a spiritual healing that is going on
(16:06):
and continues to go on, you know, I'vehad, that's why I started doing the NLP.
I've had so many years of.
People pleasing and feeling unworthy.
And I don't know if every woman feelsthis way, but I sure the heck did.
And always questioning.
Um, you know, I have a passion in me to,to do my work and I have a passion in
(16:29):
me to be my, to be a mama and a grandma.
And it's like, can you do,can the two merge together
and you're, you're doing it.
You know, you are doing itand, and I think they can.
And what I'm loving seeing inthese different generations.
So maybe something is changing.
Like when I look at mydaughter is a physician
Speaker 2 (16:53):
and
Speaker (16:53):
she's just finishing a residency and she's got a little
one, a little three year old and herhusband has really been the primary.
He's working too, but has cared for him.
Through this, my son and his wifeis a nurse and he is so, my husband
was involved in our children'slives, but he is so, they are
(17:13):
really equal partners in it.
And then the grandmas come running inwhen my darling Aubrey's got to go,
she's the labor and delivery nurse.
And so then we get to be withour grandchildren and we're both
working too, a little bit, butso we're making it all work.
And I kind of came to the, butI came to the conclusion that
it's really a personal journey.
(17:34):
Don't you think Amy?
Like, yeah, some people, yeah, stay home.
And I did stay home for a bitwith my children and just kind
of worked a tiny little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, but I can't judge someone.
I don't know what God'scalling is for them.
And so I have really kind of cometo peace with that, that we all
have different callings from him andneither none are bigger or smaller.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right.
100%.
And I think that's the most beautifulthing women can give other women
is not judgment, but compassionand like cheerleading celebration
to say, I see what you're doing.
And even in this season, it may look likethis, but another season, it may change.
Great.
There is grace for every season.
(18:19):
There's grace for the calling insideof you that may look different.
Throughout your life, just like you'resaying, um, but we can be our biggest
source of strength as other women, otherdaughters saying, how can I help you?
I don't do my life withoutthe help of other women.
That's just not possible.
We, we continually helpeach other do this.
(18:42):
I long for more village life becausethat's truly the design, right?
What you just described this multigenerational multifaceted men
and women in marriages, seeingthemselves as side by side partners.
It's huge and necessary.
Yeah.
And so, so beneficial for the kids too.
Speaker (19:01):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Right.
All these different people in their life.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And, and yeah, and I think I heard thatyou live longer, um, you know, when
you spend time with your grandchildren.
Sure.
Yeah.
So that, that makes me happy,but they just, yeah, it just
makes me happy to be with them.
So, and I think Amy, when you talkabout being in community with other
(19:25):
women, I think I spent so much of mylife not, I don't know what it is.
I know that when I first started workingright out of college, I worked at this
really unique company that was run bywomen and they were, they were more mature
than me and I had the greatest experience.
But I felt like women, my age andmy twenties were kind of like, I
(19:46):
don't know that they were always,I don't know that they were always
there for me, but now I'm really.
learning about how good thatfeels to be in community.
We all need that.
I'm, I'm always searching for, I mean, I'mlike going to those exercises, classes,
and just trying to be around otherwomen and not judging and just loving.
(20:09):
Yes.
Yes.
I
Speaker 2 (20:10):
mean the, the greatest commandment is to
love God, love neighbor, not.
Judge neighbor
Speaker (20:18):
and you don't want to know what it's kind of hard for me sometimes.
I hate
Speaker 2 (20:22):
to say it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah
Speaker (20:24):
That's where I gotta ask for forgiveness You
Speaker 2 (20:27):
100 percent Absolutely.
No, this doesn't mean it's easyI definitely have to jump off
the judgment train and and switchto the compassion train because
We're just, we're just so human.
We're just so flawed and we're tryingand we need, we need community.
And I love that you're in other people'slives because as an older woman,
(20:47):
you can really lead the way and helpmentor these younger women into the
celebration and camaraderie of sisterhood.
We need that.
Right.
Yeah.
Speaker (20:56):
Amen.
I so agree.
Okay.
So Amy, let me ask you, you're,you're wanting this book to not
just go out to women in the church.
You want to reach beyond.
Tell me about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah.
I'm, I think, um, I thinkthere's some message.
Well, for sure.
And culture, Americanculture, Western culture.
There's some questions about womenand what they can and cannot do.
Um, and you know, equal pay, allthe things, but also in the church.
And I think, um, I hope that it wouldactually be an encouragement to read
(21:35):
a book that's like, Oh my gosh, hereI see these women, their stories doing
all kinds of things way back in theancient Near East and how God has, has
put them here to partner with him to dogreat things in his kingdom, that they
would draw encouragement with that.
Cause they might get, they might havea taste in their mouth about the church
that says one thing about women, but Iwant us to look biblically and I think
(21:59):
they could really be encouraged of like.
Oh, yeah.
In fact, in the very beginning inthe garden, we see God made men
and women, male and female, in hisimage, side by side, equally blessed.
Before the curse, there was theblessing of them side by side together.
I think that could really heal some thingsthat they're wondering about when it
(22:21):
comes to the church and Christian culture.
I think it could speak to them in a waythat would be fresh and draw them to God.
Yeah.
Speaker (22:29):
Yeah.
I love it.
I, well, I think, I think you'regonna, you're gonna have that happen
because that, uh, that message is sotrue and good and pure that, um, you
know, I just hope that listeners can,can just share it and send it out.
Um, so I just, there's one more,I'm looking at the time, I can't
(22:51):
believe how fast it's gone.
I know, right?
I have, I just have, okay.
Okay.
So if there was like, if you could.
Have one message that you wanted.
You hoped your book would get out there.
What would that be for my listeners?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah.
Um, I would say that wherever you findyourself as a woman, whatever spot you're
in, whatever neighborhood you're in,whatever network you're in, um, it is not
by accident and there's nothing you cannotdo when your father calls you to it.
(23:29):
And.
To step into that and, um, trust God, talkto God often about where you are and what
he has for you to partner with him to do.
Speaker (23:42):
Yeah.
Isn't that, I mean, that issomething to you when you have God.
In you and you surrender yourcareer or whatever it is, there
is no, are you kidding me?
He created, there'snothing that can stop you.
He nothing.
He's,
Speaker 2 (23:59):
he's doing the thing.
You get to join him.
He's doing it.
Yes.
Which doesn't mean like you sitthere on your laurels, right?
No, he invites you inand that's what's fun.
We're going to look at all these storiesand your name is Donner and you're
like, Oh my gosh, she's doing thisand this and this, but with God, who's
got the machete, who's It's pioneeringthe way he's right there with them.
Speaker (24:20):
I love it.
I love it.
I'm so excited to read it.
I'm getting it today.
And, um, and maybe, you know, I, Ithink I'm going to do a podcast about
it when I'm done, you know, just tokind of talk about what I've learned.
So I was going to end itthere, but I can't help it.
I have a question for you.
That's in my mind.
And I'm thinking maybe the listeners arewondering too, why do you think it is?
(24:43):
That women, the whole Bible is about men.
I mean, a lot of it, right?
Like why do you think, and thereare stories about amazing women.
Yeah.
But why do you think it's so downplayed?
I've never, I've never really asked anyonethat I've never really delved into that.
So I'm just going to ask you if you know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah.
So I'm in seminary right now.
So we talk about this a lot.
Um, what's helpful to remember is that,um, the writers of Of the different parts
of the canon of the Bible, we're writingin a specific context, the ancient near
context, the ancient near east contextwhere it was a patriarchal society.
(25:24):
Um, and the way that that was supposedto work was actually, it was supposed
to be really good that the father'shouse was a place of refuge caretaking.
And you saw the, the.
Patriarch was to really do all thesethings, but that often went awry
and did not help and benefit women.
So the background, I don't thinkit's the blueprint to only see men.
(25:50):
And that's why I want us to callout the gems, dig through the gems
and see all the women that are here.
Cause we can start to feel like, doesGod, I mean, that's in my introduction.
I had so many questions.
Does God only care about men?
Like, why are there somany dudes in the Bible?
But understanding that therewas a context, there was a, um,
cultural structure going on.
(26:10):
And so you're going to seethe patriarchs play that.
But man, the more you look, the womenare everywhere doing all kinds of things.
And I want, that's what I want toinvite women to, to, to see in my book.
We're everywhere.
It's really fun.
Speaker (26:27):
Oh, I can't
Speaker 2 (26:28):
wait.
Speaker (26:28):
I can't wait to read it, Amy.
Thank you so much.
And, and listeners grab it, goto my show notes and get it.
Or Amy, where else can they find you?
I'll have all the connections inthe show notes, but what's the
best way to connect with you?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, I think Instagram is really fun.
So I'm at Amy Seifert at, on Instagram.
Also, um, amyseifert.
com has all my books.
You can order there and you can getmy book wherever books are sold.
Uh, yeah, that's where you can find me.
Speaker (26:57):
Awesome.
All right, listeners.
Fine, Amy.
Amy, you are a doll.
Thank you so much for joining me.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
Take good care.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.