Catalina 48: A New American Cruiser Brand

Episode Transcript

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Yep, that's right.
You know that sound.
It is Scott Temp Pesta here withyou.
We're doing another SailingAnarchy podcast, but I guess you
already know that because youprobably clicked on the link to
the podcast, so I don't reallyneed to tell you what you're

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listening to.
But I really don't have anythingelse to say That's not true.
I've always got something tosay.
Uh, we've got a great guest I'mgonna get to in just a second.
I mean, this is, this is a coolstory, which I know only about
as much as probably anybody elsedoes, which to say isn't very

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much except for the guest that'sabout to join us.
Um, before I jump into that, I,I just wanna do a quick follow
up on my Hobi 33.
Yes, indeed.
I did sell it.
Yeah.
And it's going to a little, uh,harbor just north of where we
are called Oceanside Harbor.
And, uh, so it'll be close by.
And, um, and I gave up my slipat the yacht club.

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I cleaned out my locker.
Uh, I got nothing there.
I'm now a senior life member,which means this.
I pay no dues so that it meansI'm old and then I've got rid of
my slip and I got rid of mylocker.
And when you do those things,you become, you can apply to be,
and I think they just rubberstamp it even for a cook like
me.
So then I'm senior life orsomething and I can use the

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club.
I have a charge account, allthat stuff.
No problem.
I just don't have to pay duesanymore.
So.
Um, that's a little updatethere.
And it's good because betweenthe slip and the dues and the,
you know, the stuff, it is like1200 bucks a month.
And so, yeah, since I'm not intoit at the moment and I won't be
for the foreseeable moments, youknow, that's, that's kind of

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where I'm at on the Hobie 33, asif I haven't talked to you guys,
uh, enough about any of this.
But let's get to what really ishappening.
So you all know the Catalinabrand, right?
I doubt there's anybody whohasn't sailed on at least one
Catalina in their life.
I mean, you know, assuming thatyou got a few years under your

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belt.
I mean, they are probably, Ithink, I think it's very safe to
say the most successful, uh,west coast builder production
boat builder, um, ever.
And, um, you know, that was, Imean, look how they, who, who,
Catalina has outlasted, youknow, Cal.
Ericson Islander Ranger, uh,Columbia, uh, that about covers

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it.
And so they've done somethingthat is like mind blowing.
So you all know like the, sortof the new breed of, you know, a
right around 50 feet, right?
Plus or minus.
And then, you know, right up to60 and whatever, all the new
like.
You know, the Hans and theBentos and the Genos, you know,

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they're, and even the morehigher end boats, that they're
really good looking.
They're super, you know, widestern and they're clearly
intended to be, you know, mostlycruising boats.
But some of'em have a littlebent towards performance.
And I think more and more aregetting that way because they
sort of realize that the, thestandard versions of a lot of

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those boats are just doggy.
And, uh, so, you know.
You gotta pivot them out with atall carbon rig and a few other
things to make'em go halfway.
Well, and I, I think the, uh,the boat that we're gonna get to
it probably doesn't need any ofthat.
The, the new boat thatCatalina's doing is the 48 and
joining us on the podcast isindeed the designer of that boat
bill Trip.

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Hey Bill, welcome to the show.
Hey Scott.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
I mean, this is, you know, thisis kind of mind blowing.
I don't know what I'd like toknow actually what responses
have been that you've gottenfrom people like.
Catalina's doing what?
You just, you just drew a what?
Right.
It's gotta be a lot of that.
Correct.
Yeah, we have a, we have a, anawful lot of that.

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And, uh, one of the things welove is the idea that there's an
American builder who is going toaddress what we think has been
lacking in, in, in the marinesector for a long time, which is
a good sailboat again.
Um, and we love the Europeansailboats.
Absolutely.
But not having an American branddoing it is, has been, we've

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always felt like they're a bitof a black eye.
Um.
We got a call from, uh, MikeRearden, uh, who was thinking
about buying Catalina, and hesaid, if I buy it and these are
my plans, would you, would youdesign a boat for us?
And we said, um.
Said, absolutely.
He provided it's a boat that wewanna get on board when it's all
done.
And, um, you know, we startedwith, uh, talking about whether

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we can infuse the boat so thenit can be high quality and high
performance at the same time.
When I say high performance, Imean from a, you know, a cruise
eraser, uh, aspect.
Right.
Of course.
That it's something that is wellput together.
It's not gonna come apart.
It's something you can go at it.
You can go to Bermuda in orwherever you wanna go and not
feel like, um, it's, the boat'sa little too edgy to be out

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there.
And we've had great success withall of the boats that we've done
that have been infused.
Mike's done that before and, uh,Patrick was running.
The shop is definitely on boardwith that and that that starts a
virtuous, uh, spiral.
So we started start being ableto design a, a boat that will be
a fun boat to sail, so it won'tbe a doggy boat.

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So did, one of the things wedon't wanna do is go into, um,
is go into the weeds with a,with a boat that is something
that looks nice but doesn't sailnicely.
Um, we really don't wanna beassociated with that.
And the Catalina brand has beena long time for people who
actually use their boats and,you know, we're not afraid of
saying to them that, look.

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A more performance boat'sactually easier to sail.
It takes less sail to go fast.
And we think that's whatperformance cruising ought to be
about is going fast with aminimum effort.
And that segues into being ableto do maybe some distance
racing.
Nothing too serious.
We're not.
We're not trying to, uh, we'renot trying to conquer the world
with this boat.
We're really trying to do a boatthat's high value and that you

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own it and for 10 years lateryou look back at the boat and it
doesn't look like an old boatand it's still something fun to
sail.
So, um, did you we're also,we're also able to put a carbon
rig in the boat, which, um,which happened of late and
that's kind of amazing what thatdoes to, um, to that virtuous
spiral.
So we have more time, more.

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Spend putting a quality interiorin, and we're not trying to cut
corners on, on saving weight.
Um, feels like it's all theboats coming together nicely.
Did, did you have a priorrelationship with Mike Rearden?
I've known Mike for a long time.
Um, I knew him from, um, fromhis days when he was building,

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uh, uh, building boats with, um,with j and j, the 65 footers.
Um, 65 footers, 80 footers inEurope.
I sailed with him some on, soDaddy, and then he ran a, or
helped organize the 76 footerthat we did.
Um, so we worked with thempretty closely on that and came

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from a, so.
He's seen it all.
Um, I mean, anybody who buys aboatyard, uh, you could say, um,
he's not risk averse, that's forsure.
And, uh, yeah, and, uh, youknow, God bless him for doing it
'cause there are very few peoplethat are doing it and it's so
nice to have something that'snot private equity.
He's coming in and, you know,putting his, you know, his money

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down and saying, okay, I'm gonnagonna try to make this, make
this work because people fightharder for it.
Um, so we've got a, we've gotsomething right now that I think
will be, uh, potentially gonnabe a really good project.
Now, where, where will the boatbe built?
Who's the boat's being built in?
Largo, Florida.
Okay.
So sorry about your California,uh, intro, but, uh, afraid

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those, those yards left.
They sure did, didn't they?
Yeah.
And Catalina didn't, I mean,they left, but you know, the
others went out of business.
Catalina didn't.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Well, they, they, they moved andthey survived.
And, um, you know, we've beenworking, uh, with a fellow,
Michael Schmidt, who's anotherinnovator in, uh, Germany with,
um, with the Y So one of theguys he admired the most in the

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industry was Frank Butler.
Um, so, um, when Michael bought,um.
What Frank had started, Ithought, well that's, you know,
if there's a company worthlooking at in the US this is
probably it.
Um, and so we're, you know,we're looking to produce, um, a,
um, I would say it's a mid-levelboat.

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We're not trying to do a swanboat.
We're not trying to do, um, alow end boat either.
I don't want to insult anyone,um, by, by naming names.
But we want it to be a boat thatif somebody looks at us and
says, you know, can I sail thisthing, um, offshore?
We say, yeah, absolutely.
This will be a good, it will bea good safe boat from, um.

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Uh, quality of construction andthen I'll have limited positive
stability and all the thingsthat make a good sailboat.
And fortunately that's whereperformance and safety go
together.
That, you know, there's nothinglike a low center of gravity on
a boat to make a boat fast andeasy to sail ex.
Exactly.
So how far along are you guys inthe process?

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Um, well, we'll start molds andnow that we start at a clock,
we're doing two versions of theboat and we've got one design
and we're designing the secondversion of it right now.
Um, so that, to make sure thatwe don't, we don't have
conflicts of three inches, sothe mash should be, should have
been three inches forward so wecould have opened the door,
that, that kind of thing.

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Um, so we're.
We're doing a, um, a singlelevel deck, house boat as well.
Um, I think you reviewed theboat.
We did Alchemy once, um, was,um, sort of a Southwest, um, 53.
Yes.
Um, and there was only one billwho was built, uh, the hull was.

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Was built by Hinckley and it wasfinished by a broken boat yard.
And it's a really fun boat.
Um, you know, it's a really niceboat and it's, uh, that client
came to us and said, listen,design me a sailboat that will
keep me from getting apowerboat.
And, you know, and that was thatwhole single level cockpit
through the living area whereeverything all public, living on

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the boat was done, uh, with aview and without having to climb
down in the boat.
So we're, we'll do a version ofthat.
Um, there are a few that aredone in Europe.
There are none that are done inthe US and we know we can make
the boat sail well because, um.
Duncan who owns a boat, actuallyraces a boat and he's won more

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than a couple of races with it.
So, and not a, you know, again,it's not a serious race boat,
but it is a boat that does have,um, it looks like a motor sail,
but it has the giddy app of anormal sail.
Right.
That's what I was just gonna askyou.
You know, the pictures that I'veseen, and I think everybody's
seen are the one with the superlow house, and I don't believe
there's any windows in the houseitself.

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And, and then the other version.
Is going to have a, asignificant house on it,
correct?
Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they'll be for, they'll befor really two different
clienteles, you know, thesomebody who wants to have the
boat, uh, up in.
Say the Northeast and then, uh,down in the Caribbean and, you
know, may do a little sportysailing and he'll want the boat

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that you've seen so far.
The, you know, the sexier boatis more the, the coupee for
sure.
And we're doing a more sedanversion, uh, of the boat or an
SU maybe better set an SUVversion of the boat.
Right.
But we, there's no reason that,that, that won't be a nice boat
to own as well.
I'll, I'll take the, thank you.
Um, yeah.
And, and so.

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When you guys, I mean, certainlyyou guys have, have looked at
the market and done a fair bitof market analysis and you know,
where these various boats thatyou will be competing with,
either directly or indirectly,you know, where their price
points are, you know, what thedemographics are of the people
that buy those boats.
And so I, I'm wondering, so I,I've always admired Catalina.

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I mean, I, I just have, it'shard not to and.
Um, so this boat, though, isclearly stepping out of what
anybody would ever think of as aCatalina from a marketing
standpoint and a, and a pricepoint stand, uh, standpoint.
Do you guys, I don't know whereyou're planning on coming in.
I, I don't, you don'tnecessarily have to say, but I'd

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like to know if you guys have anumber in mind what it will
cost.
Well, I think you'll have tospeak to Mike on that.
I don't wanna, I, I know whatit, what it is and I know it's,
um.
I know it's competitive, but I'mnot gonna put a final number out
there because that's whateverybody will Absolutely
correct.
Yeah.
But do, do you guys feel likeyou have to be, do you guys feel

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like you have to be slightlyless expensive than some of
these other boats?
Well, we think the boat's gottabe, um, the boat would
definitely be north of, um.
Of a beau, but when you put onthe tariffs of the beau and
what's happened to the euro,Ooh, um, things may, may
actually be closer than, um,than when we initially set out.

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We, we know that gap has alreadyclosed because this all started
before, before tariffs.
I mean, we're.
It's been, this conversation'sgoing on for, for quite a while.
Um, there are, you know, thereare companies that we admire.
Um, you know, the company, oneof the companies of all that I
admired was CNC.
Um, CNC was an innovativecompany, you know, in the

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beginnings of composites, thesame way that, um, that Catalina
was.
And they went for quite a while.
And, um.
Then ownership changed, peopledied, and um, it kind of got
lost in the weeds.
But that was a really nicefamily cruising boat that people
could take out and do sportythings with as well.

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And I think that's a little bitwhat.
What our idea, but our, youknow, it's a modern boat, but
you know, Catalinas, when theystarted, they were modern boats
too.
Um, and you know, the, go backto some of my father's boat,
like the Columbia 50, when thatboat came out, people said to my
father, what are you thinking?
Are you crazy?

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You know, with that, with thehouse and the spade rudder and,
you know, the boat was wide andhad high freeboard and.
And when you look at it now andpeople say, oh, it's a classic.
It's a classic.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, and that's, you know,but you gotta take those steps,
you know?
And when he started designingfor Columbia, Columbia looked
one way, and when he was done,it looked another.
And I think, we'll, um.

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You know, Cal was the same way,and I think this is a historic
company, but it, you know, it's,you know, it's not a pine box.
You know, we don't wanna justfill it with the same dirt.
Um, we, we wanna make somethingnew here.
Yeah.
And to do that, we've gotta.
We have to change the design.
And we actually looked at somemore conservative designs, um,

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to make sure that we could dosomething that would sort of hit
the market.
And then we said, well, howabout this?
It does all the same things thatthat other more conservative
vote does, but it, it's got moreeye appeal.
So yeah, more curb appeal.
So that's something that reallyhelps sell a boat.
And I think particularly whenpeople.
Look at the boat and say, well,it's pretty good looking, but

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what's it gonna be like downbelow?
And then when they see theinterior layout that we able to
put in it, they're gonna say, ohno, this is exactly what
Catalina has always represented.
You know, it's in, in a verymodern style.
Yeah.
And that's key.
And you're right.
I mean, listen guys, especiallywomen are too, but you know, men
are really visual and you know,whether it's cars or boats or

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women, you know, we, uh, we, weare, something catches our eye
and like, Ooh, that looks good.
And I gotta say, as soon as Isaw the drawings, I wasn't
really sure it was you guys.
I'm like.
Well, shit, that thing lookspretty good.
And then I found out that youguys were drawing it or had
drawn it, and so I, I wanted totalk to you guys about it.
Let's get back to the, let's getback to the Columbia bubble

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doghouse.
Okay.
Speaking of visuals, I thought,I mean, I was young, but you
know, those things were in fullforce in like the Long Beach
area and.
And I thought it was awesome.
I always loved that house.
And, and the fact that you, thatyour dad applied it to virtually
every boat, you know, the, the43, you know, the, I think it
was a 39 or something, uh, thateven down to the 26, they all,

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they all had that.
And I just thought it was such agreat design cue that nobody
else had.
Um, what.
And that came from someproduction boats he'd done even
earlier that were built inHolland.
And, um, there's a, a group ofboat called the Mercer 40 Fours
that, um, I swear they only goat, uh, state sales.

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You buys one of those boats and,and you can't buy'em until, you
know, until they've, until theirnames get crossed off.
Right.
And it's the same, basically thesame house as the Columbia.
But um, I know Tobin Grail ownsone of the Columbia fifties and
his boat is Cherry.
And at the time my father didn'tthink the Columbia fifties were

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so well built.
Um, but you know, that was in1965 and Tobin's boat.
Looks perfect.
And Jim Grundy's got one, uh,called Gron and that looks
perfect also.
We've got a couple really niceones in San Diego.
Um, really nice ones.
And there's a, um.
There's a really cherry cow 48for sale that's been, it's been

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on the market for a while andI've seen, and the boats just
look so, so well done.
And, you know, these things, Imean, these boats, let's not
even get into the Cal 40.
That's a whole nother thing.
But these boats have, have stoodthe test of time in, in almost
every area and, and the visualaspect is part of it.

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These, the, the CA 48, you know,first of all, there's hardly any
of them and they just.
They're just a good lookingthing.
And you know, I think it's justslightly north of a hundred
grand is what they're asking.
And I'm thinking, damn, that isa lot of boat and a, and a, a
nice piece of history.
So it's, yeah, that's a greatplace to go.
Spend, uh, half a million.
I didn't say that.

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No, you did not say that.
Um, and, and so.
In terms of like when, so youguys are gonna do, start the
molding.
Do you guys have a time periodfor, you know, when you think a
boat will actually, and I knoweverybody would ask this rather
obvious stupid cliched question,but say, bill, when's the boat
gonna launch?
You know, well, we're gonna,we're right now aiming for the,

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uh, for the fall boat shows, uh,to have the boats in the fall
have the first boat.
Fall boat shows, uh, next year,you know, so sailing, sailing
before that, um, you know, thetooling will start, uh, in two
months, in a week, um, twomonths and two weeks.
And that's kind of a three monthprocess.

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And you know, then, and thenthat'll be another, um.
Know, four months till the firstboat comes out, uh, you know,
the first boat will come out.
But it will be, you know, it's,it comes out and it's actually
still kind of a machineinstruments'cause it's where we
learn all the assembly piecesfor the boat and how to do the

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process engineering, which ishow you, these days, it's how
you build a boat effectively isthe process.
Engineering is so important.
Is it'cause that, I think that'sa foreign phrase to most people.
Yeah, well, you've gotta designthe vote so it goes together and
you have to figure out how toassemble it so that the whole

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vote is when the vote comes outof the mold, the rest of the
vote is pretty much assembledand.
You put all the pieces togetherand it goes out.
Um, and we've been, you know,we've worked with them with a
master recently on that, and theguy said, Catalina are masters
also.
So it's kind of interestingcomparing the notes on the two

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of'em.
And the biggest difference isthe, is in infusing the boat.
Um, and I was just had dinnerthe other night with one of the
guys from, uh, semen, compositeswho, who invented it, and
they're, they're gonna help uswith this.
Tell us a little bit about thatprocess.
Well, what, what they've got isa, it's a, it's a pressure

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system where you have, um, amold that's airtight and then
you use a vacuum bag, but youlay all the laminates in and you
use a, uh, a spray adhesive tohold the laminates in place.
And you put the core in placeagain with the spray adhesive,
and then you put in, um, the.
The inside skin and you've,you've given channels in it, um,

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usually holds through the, uh,through the foam to allow the
resident to travel from, um, theoutside of the skin, through to
the inside of the skin.
And you, and you pull it out,you pull you, you suck it in
from the outside, scan and pullit out through the inside scan.
And the whole boat is covered inresin.

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Um.
And you end up with, uh,something like a 60%, uh, fiber
to resin ratio, which is reallyhigh.
Really high.
Yep.
And you end up with somethingthat's fully saturated with
epoxy.
So you don't have d laminationslike, um, like the, which has
been the bane of production,boat building, and it's been the

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bane of, um.
Um, warranties as well.
Yeah.
Which then that becomes a costproblem and it's an owner
headache.
And, um, since we startedbuilding, uh, boats that are
resident f those problems havegone away.
That, but you know, by and largeit's, there's still a skillset
involved in it.

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It, it's quite a, it's quite aprocess.
And it, I mean, it sounds likethe, you, I mean, it sounds like
the boat's gonna be definitely aquality product.
I mean, you guys, you reallycan't come at this with anything
other than that approach.
I mean, you're, you're new tothe market.
It's a lot like cars that, um,that even if you go to the, go
to a low end car right now, lowquality just doesn't, doesn't

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cut it in the market.
You know, you can't have a boatthat falls apart.
No.
You can't have boats that runaround and the pans separate
from the bottom of the boat.
You can't have something that.
That isn't a working structurefrom, from the beginning, and
then it's really a matter of fitand finish.
Um, so, but the quality has tobe a given or you're just not
gonna survive in this, in thisindustry.

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Right.
Everybody who's gotten gottentheir game up, and that's where
design comes in because, youknow, there are cars that I know
are well built, but I look at'emand say, I just don't wanna own
it.
I know it's a good price and Iknow it's well built.
You know, I just have nointerest in driving that around.
Um, I want something that's gotmore performance and, um, and

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it's also something I likelooking at.
You know, you need, you needsizzle with your steak.
I mean, there's absolutely nodoubt about it.
And, and, and the segment youguys are targeting here, I mean,
there's a, a fair number ofreally quality builders there,
uh, for some of these boats.
And so, you know, you guys sortof have to do that.
This can't be.
The old Catalina, uh, in a new,uh, package.

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This has to be the new Catalinain the new package, and I'm
impressed.
When, um, when will you guysopen up the order books?
Um, well very soon.
I think they're already openingbecause, um, we've, you know,
there's a, there's a prettygood, uh, I would say latency of
people who.

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Haven't had a Catalina for awhile.
Who do want, would love to havea new Catalina.
And there's a good deal ofnetwork already in place and
they've all got clients and youknow, they.
I think they're gonna sell a lotof these boats and the feeling
is there's gonna be no problemgetting this off the ground.
Um, that there are buyers outthere already lining up to

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build, to build the first boats.
And then we'll see, you know, ifwe do what we, and if they do
what they think they can do, um,I think this is gonna be good
and we're gonna do, we're gonnaredo the whole line for them.
Oh, that's awesome.
No kidding.
Uh, you know, and that thatdealer network of Catalina, I
mean, you've really tapped intosomething there because, you

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know, there aren't, I mean, lookat, look at their customer base.
It's just ginormous granted insmaller boats.
But like you said, there's guyswho want to, you know, Jay Boats
the same thing.
A lot of guys started withsmaller jay boats and as they
kept building bigger J boats,people, oh, I want the bigger
one.
And, and we.
We like small boats as much aswe like big boats.
You know, we've done some verybig boats.

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We've done some very small boatsand, you know, they're, they're
really of equal interest becausesmaller boats have more impact,
uh, on more people's lives.
Yep.
So, yep.
You know, that's why we lovedoing them.
You know, there's nothing welike better than watching a kids
sail a boat.
There's no doubt.
I, I'll tell you, I spent abetter part of a couple years
teaching.

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Uh, a girlfriend had a sale on aHarbor 20 and you know, have a
girlfriend.
Not now.
I don't.
She dumped my ass.
How dare you.
You prick.
Okay, this interview's over.
Forget it.
This boat's gonna suck.
Drip.
Can't design.
Ah, Hey, come on.
Don't be so thin skinned.
Come on.

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Stealing anarchy.
I gotta do, I gotta do a littleresearch on you.
I'm gonna find your thin skinsomewhere.
Okay, good.
But, but you know, the boat wasjust a delight to sail.
I mean, just, you know, the boatwas a, I thought it was
fabulous.
Easy to sail.
You know, you really felt theboat'cause it's small and you
know, it was a great boat and Ithink I like small boats like
that in that size range.

(26:00):
I know Jay Boats tried that withthis, I guess the seven or
whatever and you know, variouscompanies have.
But yeah, that's cool that youguys have the same sort of
attention.
To the small as the big and, andjust the idea in the bigger
picture, bill, you're doing the,you're gonna do the 48, but then
you're gonna revamp the line.
I mean, that is reallysomething.
Well, I hope I'm, Michael and Ihave just started talking about

(26:21):
it, but I'm hoping we're gonnado some trailer sailors because,
um.
What's, what's more fun thanhaving a 25 or or 32 foot boat
that you can, you know, you cantake home for the winter and you
can just say, okay, road tripand we're going to wherever you
want to go, we're going, we'regoing up to, um, we're going up

(26:42):
to Washington and we're gonnasail on, we're gonna launch a
boat and go spend a week sailingaround the islands.
Right.
You know?
Right.
Not, not to mention the factthat slips.
At least here in, in SoCal,they're virtually impossible to
get.
They're really expensive if youwanna slip your boat in the
water.
So, you know, not to say there'sa lot of dry storage space
around San Diego either.
It's a very odd community here.

(27:04):
Just in terms of the things thatwe don't have.
When you think San Diego wouldhave it all, like we don't have
a, we don't have any real racingboats anymore, and there's
nothing new that comes intotown.
Um, it's the same old courses,you know, there's no, been,
almost no attempt.
To make, you know, trailersailors give them places to live

(27:25):
outside of a yacht club.
And, um, so, you know, that endof things really needs
revamping, probably not onlyjust here, but I'm sure other
areas.
Um, I think that's great.
So before I let you go, I'm,I'm, I'm Googling you to find
out like, oh, I didn't know thisabout you.
Let me, let me throw this on theair.
No, I'm kidding.
Um, I'm sure there's stuff outthere.

(27:46):
Oh, oh.
And don't worry.
Yeah, there's a picture of mefrom, uh, Doug Peterson's, uh,
in 1978, which, um, um, youcould probably find me in the
office at about 1130 at night,uh, drawing like mad with a,
with a Heineken bottle in myelbow that had just been
delivered from the Chart houseof, of course, you know, I got

(28:06):
to be really good friends withDoug.
Uh, I actually lived in hishouse for a while and, uh, just,
you know, I couldn't have lovedthe guy more.
I mean, just, yeah, me too.
I think everybody feels the sameabout him.
So what I expect from you, fromme not releasing this
information I've just foundabout you on the internet now, I
don't know if it, you are thesame built trip that's guilty of

(28:27):
these things, but let's justassume that you are.
So, um, rather than me releasingthat, um, I expect an invite to
go sailing on the early boat.
I, you know, once you guys getsome stuff out and you know, I,
I wanna come out and sail on theboat, dammit.
Okay, great.
Well, we, we'd love to have thathappen and we, you know, we've
got other votes for you to comesail too.

(28:48):
So True.
Well, yeah, I'll make a, I'llmake a, uh, week out of it, say
all your votes.
Okay.
And criticize all them.
No, I'm kidding.
Hey, bill, really informative.
Thanks so much for the time and,uh, we will stay in touch on
this thing, right.
Absolutely.
Sounds good.
Okay.
Thanks for, thanks for theinterview.
You bet.
Thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
All right.

(29:08):
Build trip.
I mean, that's a trip.
Oops.
Sorry.
I just turned the mic up.
That's cool.
I mean, it, it's sort of what Iwas looking for in terms of
like, so what, what are youdoing here?
Like, he did a magnificent jobof explaining.
Exactly what they are doing andwhat they plan to do.

(29:29):
I mean, who knew that Catalinawould be the brand to keep your
eye on?
I think it's great.
All right.
Listen, let me just say this foryou.
Oh, and I've gotta talk to youabout something we, right?
I mean, we're gonna, we're gonnasell some stuff here, and what
I'm gonna sell are sunglasses.
You guys, you know who TajimaDirect.

(29:52):
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They make the custom polarizedlenses.
They can do prescription, theycan fit any frame you have.
They have frames they can choosefrom.
I mean, there are a lot ofpolarized sunglasses.
I mean, I could walk into seven11 right now.
And get a pair of, uh, you know,$19 polarized sunglasses.
Eh, not quite the same quality.

(30:12):
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Um, you need to go to theirwebsite and I'm gonna spell it
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It's tajima direct.com.
Do that for Sailing Anarchy.
I'm Scott Tempesta.
See ya.