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Capn Tinsley (00:00):
Do you dream of
setting sail, leaving it all
behind and chasing the horizonone island at a time?
Well, tonight we're talking tosomeone who is doing exactly
that right now Bahama style.
So join me as we vicariouslyhop aboard sailing vessel Delta
Blues with Dennis Jay, a sailorwho blends adventure with a true
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passion for sailing, and hisbeautiful Island Packet 380
sailboat.
Who blends adventure with atrue passion for sailing and his
beautiful Island Packet 380sailboat.
From stunning anchorages to themagic of everyday life on the
water, we're diving into it all.
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I'm Captain Tinsley of sailingvessel Salty Abandon and this is
the Salty Podcast, episode 53.
Please help me welcome DennisJay.
Good evening, dennis Ahoy.
(01:08):
How are you?
You look very comfortable thereon your boat.
Dennis Jay (01:11):
Yes.
Capn Tinsley (01:11):
I am Starling's
working.
Everything's working good.
Dennis Jay (01:16):
Everything's working
good.
Most things are working good onthe boat, but I seem to spend
my life maintaining it.
It's now a 24-year-old vessel.
Capn Tinsley (01:28):
Okay, what year is
it?
It's a 2001.
Okay, okay, great.
Well, I actually met you inperson.
I'll go ahead and tell that Ihad, like I mentioned, a lot of
people here know that I lost myhusband four months ago.
So every once in a while I'lljust get on a plane and go
somewhere, just for a change ofscenery.
And I rented a jet ski.
(01:48):
I was in South Beach and Iwanted to go see no Name Harbor
because I had heard Hayden andRadine talking about it.
I went in there and there wasthis beautiful island packet and
it had a blue hull.
I was like, wow, that's apretty boat.
So I kind of floated around youuntil I saw you come out, or I
think you came out of therestaurant and I introduced
myself and you were graciousenough to give me your card and
(02:11):
we set up this podcast.
So I appreciate you being here.
Dennis Jay (02:15):
Glad to be here.
Capn Tinsley (02:17):
Yes, so we have
some people watching on
Instagram.
We have people watching onYouTube and Facebook.
We have some people watching onInstagram.
We have people watching onYouTube and Facebook, so why
don't we start with?
Where did you grow up and whatfirst got you hooked on sailing?
We're going to talk about theBahamas, but we want to kind of
lead.
How did you get to the Bahamas?
Where did all this start All?
Dennis Jay (02:38):
right.
Well, I grew up in western NewYork and I actually grew up on a
little lake and never sailed.
I always had power boats and Imade my way down to Annapolis
and bought my first boat in 1981.
Capn Tinsley (02:57):
Oh, wow.
Dennis Jay (02:58):
A little yeah, a
little 12 footer that I
basically bought to impress thegirl I was dating at the time
and she took to it.
She had never sailed either.
And you know, the next year, Ithink, we bought a little bit
bigger boat and a little bitbigger, and eight boats later I
found myself on an island packet.
Now this boat has a little bitof interesting history to it.
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It kind of started in 1999 whenI went to the Annapolis Boat
Show and I believe that was thefirst year that Island Packet
had the 380.
And I fell in love with it.
I just thought that it was theright size and the configuration
worked for a couple and it wasa sturdy boat and I wanted to go
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and do some cruising.
However, the new boats are veryexpensive and so I waited a
couple years.
I kept looking and, looking andlooking for a used 380, but
they held their prices.
I think there were such solid,good boats at that time that I
still couldn't afford one untilwe come down to 2006.
(04:12):
And I saw one on Yacht Worldthat was about $100,000 less
than other used ones at the timeand I figured, well, there's
probably something wrong with it, but I needed to take a look at
it.
Well, it turned out it was asurvivor from Hurricane Katrina.
It was in Gulfport, mississippi, during the storm Got banged up
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moderately and the owner at thetime the boat was basically
four years old had gotten a goodinsurance settlement, had the
boat towed to your parts, mobile, alabama, to Turner Marine.
(05:00):
There Turner at one time wasthe second largest island packet
dealer in the country and so Isaid, well, it's an airplane
ticket.
So I went down to take a look atit.
I kind of guesstimated I spentall day on the boat of what it
would take to bring it back.
I added another 20% on top ofthat and said if I could do that
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that would be a hell of a dealand I would end up with
basically a brand new boat.
So I hired a hurricane surveyorout of New Orleans and we went
through the boat again after Imade an offer on it and I
decided to go ahead with it.
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I had it trucked up to Annapolis, spent six months working on it
.
It did cost me more than that20%, but at the end of the day I
ended up with a real bargain, abrand new boat, and my wife had
always wanted a dark-hulledboat.
Wife had always wanted a darkhulled boat and I think this is
the first dark hulled islandpacket.
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I had not seen any others outthere.
And, interestingly enough,island packet somebody saw my
boat and they were getting abrand new boat made and they
asked to have this color ontheir boat and subsequently
island packet started makingblue hulled boats.
Capn Tinsley (06:24):
It's beautiful.
You can see it on the screen.
This is a really good picturetoo.
This is a beautiful boat.
This is what I saw when I cameto no Name Harbor.
I was like I've got to talk tothat guy.
I don't know when this picturewas taken.
This was on your Facebook page,but it is a beautiful boat.
It in annapolis harbor okay,yeah, that's, that's uh, that's
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a beautiful boat, so, um, so youwent to annapolis, and then
then what happened?
Dennis Jay (06:55):
well, so in 2007, um
, we decided to go cruising uh,
for the winter I was stillworking, but I could work from
the boat and and we came downand we, we stayed in Amelia
Island, florida, for for acouple months actually for five
months and subsequently ended upmoving there and and then took
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off for the Bahamas.
Had never been there before andyou know that wasn't that long
ago, but still, you know therewasn't the technology.
Capn Tinsley (07:29):
Long time ago.
Dennis Jay (07:32):
There wasn't the
technology, you were kind of
like guessing as far as theBahamas.
But we went into the Abacos andjust fell in love with with the
Bahamas and then came back thenext year and I think we've I've
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only missed maybe four years inthe 18 since I bought the boat,
so I've been in the Bahamas alot.
Oh, so you've been there everyyear for no not every year, but
I've been here probably eight ornine times since we bought the
boat.
Capn Tinsley (08:13):
I want to say hey
to Goose.
He's a regular on here.
Hey Goose, His name is Augustus, but his nickname is Goose Good
nickname.
Yeah, so okay.
So you went to St Augustine.
Dennis Jay (08:30):
Yeah, amelia Island,
just just Amelia Island.
Capn Tinsley (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, I know
where it is.
Dennis Jay (08:36):
Yeah.
Which was a great place to spend.
The weather there is isbeautiful in the spring and the
fall, too hot in the summer, toocold in the winter.
So the winners we would, youknow, go to the Keys or dry
Tortugas went to Cuba in 2016.
And we were part of the ConchRepublic Cup, which was the
(09:01):
first regatta race that wassanctioned by both governments.
So that was a big deal, butmostly coming over to the
Bahamas and just exploring moresections of it, more islands,
and fell in love with the Exumasand that's kind of my go-to
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place, and I ended up now inGeorgetown.
Capn Tinsley (09:26):
Okay, okay, yeah.
So after I saw you, you were inno Name Key waiting for a
crossing, a weather window.
Dennis Jay (09:34):
Right.
Capn Tinsley (09:35):
Where did you go
after that?
Dennis Jay (09:38):
I think the night I
saw you.
My crew came in that night.
Yeah, two young guys, one fromMiami and one from Albuquerque.
Both had crewed for friends ofmine and were excellent sailors
and just really good crew.
But they had never been to theBahamas, so this is a real treat
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for them and they jumped at thechance to come with me.
So we had a little bit of atough crossing.
At first the winds were prettychallenging, but once we got
midstream and pointed a littlebit more north and took the
stream, we had a great sail andit really turned out to be a
(10:23):
very nice crossing.
And got into Bimini just aboutat dusk and we stayed there a
couple of days.
Capn Tinsley (10:31):
Where did?
Dennis Jay (10:32):
you stay?
We stayed at Browns Marina.
I used to stay at Bimini Sands,which is not Bimini Sands
anymore, which is it's just this, cut out, uh kind of in the
island with a channel and right.
I've been through there, yeah,and it's I.
Capn Tinsley (10:52):
I love that place,
it's so you go through that
little channel, hang a left andis it up there?
Dennis Jay (10:57):
yeah, yeah and then
there's uh, there's slips all
the way around and then there'scondos around there and they
used to have great deals.
I think three years ago Istayed there for a week for like
$200.
They had a special going on.
They were making some changes ofit.
(11:17):
Unfortunately, the channel hasshoaled in a lot and I can only
get in at the highest tide, so Idecided to go over and stay at
Browns, which is always verychallenging in anything but
slack tide.
The tide runs through therelike a banshee, so we had a
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little problem docking in inthere, but it was.
It was, do they?
Capn Tinsley (11:46):
do they dredge it
regularly?
I guess not.
Dennis Jay (11:49):
I guess not, huh the
channel to get into the south
bimini is not bad at all, but toget into bimini sands and they
they were.
They were dredging the lasttime I was there but I think
just the positioning of itthey've got to to dredge pretty
often to keep it clear.
One interesting thing while Iwas at Browns in the North
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Island at.
Browns, there were always bullsharks under the slips and it
would be fun to watch, you know,because there's charter boats
there there that fish and theyclean the fish and they throw it
overboard and so the sharkshave and down a ways they have,
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um, uh well, there's a cruiseship down there but mega boats
could come in there and thegentleman, um, I think had a
little bit too much to drink anddecided to do a cannonball off
the bow of a boat.
Capn Tinsley (12:49):
Oh my gosh.
Dennis Jay (12:50):
Actually I'm getting
it mixed up.
That was another story the sameweek.
That happened in HarbourborneKey.
This was two girls, young women, mid-20s I think that just
decided at dusk to dive offtheir father's boat, and both of
them got attacked by sharks.
Capn Tinsley (13:10):
Oh, my gosh.
Dennis Jay (13:11):
And they airlifted
to Orlando of all places and I
think one of them lost a footand the other one you know a big
chunk out of her leg.
But you know it's just a.
You don't go swimming wherethere's.
Capn Tinsley (13:26):
Not a good idea.
Dennis Jay (13:29):
That's the third
shark attack since I've been in
the.
Capn Tinsley (13:33):
Well, after you've
chummed the water, you don't
jump in there with them.
Dennis Jay (13:36):
It's just not a good
idea.
You know, I think the guy inHigh Barn Key is in real bad
shape.
But you know it's just commonsense.
You know you can't blame it onthe sharks, no they're doing
what sharks do.
Capn Tinsley (13:55):
So Goose has a
question here for you.
A couple questions Are youbuying water or putting it in a
water maker?
Also, what do you know aboutdogs in the islands?
I know you can take dogs.
I've seen other people do it.
Dennis Jay (14:05):
There's a ton of
dogs here.
In fact, one of the events wejust finished the 43rd Annual
Regatta in Georgetown and I'd beglad to talk about it.
But one of the events wasdressing your dog up as a pirate
, and they had a parade of dogsdoors.
Capn Tinsley (14:26):
Yeah, there's a
lot of uh I would enjoy that.
That's better than peopledressing up absolutely, um I
don't.
Dennis Jay (14:34):
I don't have a dog
with me, but, um, you do have to
make sure that the shots are upto date and you've got to get
you know the proper papers inorder to check in at customs.
If you have a patent, they'revery strict about that.
If you don't have the rightpapers, they'll send you back.
As far as water makers, I thinkmost cruisers here or maybe not
(14:59):
most, but a lot of them do havewater makers the 380, there's
probably room for one on theboat, but I try to keep things
simple and try to have as fewthings break down as possible.
Yeah, and there's a lot ofpeople here that I know are not
making water because they don'thave the right membrane in it or
(15:22):
there's something that goeswrong.
Capn Tinsley (15:26):
It uses a lot of
power, a lot of juice.
Dennis Jay (15:28):
It does and even
though I've got um, I got 800
watts of solar, I've got windgeneration.
I don't have lithium batteriesyet, but that's going to be in
the cards for me and I do have,I mean, the nice thing about
tankage on an island packet.
I've got 184 gallons of waterand I just checked and I filled
(15:51):
up in Grand Bahama almost amonth ago.
I still have a half tank andwhat did that cost you?
You know I haven't checked mycredit card yet.
Capn Tinsley (16:06):
Oh, okay, I was in
a marina and I forgot what the
I know that when I was therethey hook up a little, you know,
they turn on the meter and theydo charge.
It wasn't that bad, but I guessif I had a big family on board
and everybody was taking showers, that might be a problem.
Dennis Jay (16:26):
Yeah, it was.
Capn Tinsley (16:27):
You might have to
have a water budget 50 cents a
gallon.
Dennis Jay (16:32):
I've paid before but
it's interesting.
I mean, I've been going to thedinghy dock when I go into town
and they have free water there.
The Exuma Market is a serviceto cruisers.
Nice has a dock.
Yeah, some days the line to getthere is is pretty long, but
that's also how you get to meetcruisers, anyway, here but there
(16:55):
was awesome there was a guy whowas ahead of me, uh, on a uh
inflatable dinghy and I only hadmy little six gallon, uh j can.
And he says, oh, please gobefore me because I'm going to
be here for a while.
And I says, oh, really.
Capn Tinsley (17:11):
How many did he
have?
Dennis Jay (17:13):
He had this ladder
in the bottom of his dinghy that
he bought on Amazon.
That held 90 gallons of water.
And I said well, how do you getthat in your tank?
He goes I just I have a waterpump, I hook it, I hook it up
and it just pumps right into mytank.
Capn Tinsley (17:33):
I says, what a
great idea that is a great idea,
yeah and uh, this is you heardit here on the salty podcast we
should, we should market thatthat thing with the.
Dennis Jay (17:44):
Yeah, I probably
wouldn't go for 90 gallons,
because my that might beoverkill well, I have an
inflatable dinghy, but thedinghy I brought here is an old
um, I don't know if you rememberseeing it on the back of my
boat.
I did.
Capn Tinsley (18:01):
It looks like it
has a mast.
It is.
It's a sailing digging.
Oh my god.
Yeah, it's in this pictureright here.
You can see it, yeah I have alittle.
Dennis Jay (18:11):
well there, it is
right there.
Yeah, that's it right here.
Yeah, and I I've got a littleelectric uh uh motor on the back
and uh, I I love it, you know,and I love to sail it and and
it's just very cool.
It's not really practical,though it's not going to take
you very far in high seas, right?
(18:33):
You know?
That's another thing about andI talk to a lot of people about
who are coming to the Bahamas orwant to come, and some of them
have very deep-keeled boats,which I think is a real
disadvantage in a lot of beachesin the Bahamas.
Yeah, island packets are perfect, tend to be shallow, right
Drawing only four and a halffeet, I can get in pretty close
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to a lot of these anchorages soI don't have to go too far in my
dinghy and so I can.
I can afford to have a little.
You know putt putt.
You know hard sailing dinghy.
You know everybody else hasthese.
You know 35 horse, you know intheir screen.
Capn Tinsley (19:15):
Mine's two and a
half.
Well, I mean, I'm usually bymyself, and it's those.
Engines are heavy.
Yes, and you know so, and whenmy husband would come with me,
it, the dinghy, was enough.
It was enough for two of us.
I don't know about a wholebunch of people or anything, but
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it worked and we could fly, youknow.
So Hayden says on Island Spiritsays we use 10 gallons a day
for two of us Coffee, showers,dishes, flushing, toilet.
I jugged water for 10 years andyou know what I use.
I use um to save even water.
I I have these, um, these wipes, these bath wipes.
I use.
That saves a lot of money.
And then when I want to wash myhair, I'll just wash the hair
(19:57):
you know, and so that saves alot of money right so if you're
really trying to, because ashower takes a lot of water.
Dennis Jay (20:04):
Yeah, I do have a
sun shower and I can get three
showers out of that and that's.
That's easy to tote back andback and forth for the for the
toilet Well, I do have.
It's connected to fresh water?
Yeah, I do.
I do keep a little jug ofseawater and actually I also
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have my wash down pump and thehose goes into the head so I can
also use that I just use theshower one and just put some
fresh water in there.
Capn Tinsley (20:36):
I have a waste
filtration system, I don't use
my holding tank and so I justfigure it's all going to stay
smelling better if I just usefresh water.
Dennis Jay (20:49):
That was one of the
best things I ever did when I,
when I redid my hat, was hookingup the fresh water especially.
Capn Tinsley (20:57):
You know I was in
the Chesapeake Bay a lot and
there's just there's a lot oflittle critters through when
you're oh yeah watering yeah nowI have the option to go ahead
and pump the salt water, but youknow I would do that if I had
to, but I just use a little bitof fresh water yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dennis Jay (21:19):
so you know, you
make, you make, do you know?
And you're, you're efficient indoing the dishes.
I fill up one sink and I washthem, and then I set them in the
second one and then I rinsethem all at the same time, and
that saves water.
Capn Tinsley (21:36):
Now, after you're
on the boat a long time, when
you get home, do you liketurning off the water while
you're brushing your teeth andforget oh?
Dennis Jay (21:43):
absolutely.
Capn Tinsley (21:44):
It's like oh no, I
can leave that water, I'm so
true.
You know I don't like to spendmoney on water.
Okay, so Goose says sun showersare the best.
Sail from South California toMaine.
Whoa, using just that to keepclean Didn't attract too many
flies, thanks, goose.
Hey, goose, tell us what kindof boat you have.
(22:05):
Again, I know he was recoveringfrom something and I think he
bought a boat.
It's hard to remember, but tellus, goose, what do you got?
Talk to me, goose.
That's from a movie.
You know what movie that is?
No, I don't Top Gun.
Oh, yeah, of course.
Talk to me, goose.
Okay, so I had chat GPT come upwith a few questions.
(22:27):
What was the moment you knewyou wanted to ditch land life
and make sailing your reality?
I think you already told usthat, yeah.
Dennis Jay (22:39):
Oh, you know, I can
remember very early on I think
it was the second or third boatand I used to sail in the
Potomac River, you know, nearWashington D, a combination of
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things Discovering theChesapeake Bay, which you know
I've been so blessed that Ithink you know I've been able to
do this in the two bestcruising grounds in this
hemisphere the Chesapeake Bayand the Bahamas.
You know, both of them havethousands of really beautiful
anchorages.
But the first time going out inthe Chesapeake Bay and and also
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meeting other cruisers and youknow there's a kinship there
that you know I've not felt withother hobbies or things like
that, and you know the peoplethat really they, they get it
and they get you.
Capn Tinsley (23:41):
Yeah.
And and they're so helpful andgenerous with their knowledge
and time.
It's just you know if you needhelp all you got to do is ask,
Especially in Georgetown.
Dennis Jay (23:52):
I hear I haven't
been able to make it there yet,
but I hear Georgetown's a veryspecial place and I hurried to
get down here and I actuallywent through some pretty nasty
weather to get here andunfortunately my auto helm went
(24:14):
out and so hello, so I handstared, you know, for a couple
days, nine hours straight, which, uh, which is a real
interesting thing when you wantto I've had to do that before.
Capn Tinsley (24:20):
it changes the
whole vibe.
Dennis Jay (24:22):
Yes, Very much so,
especially when you want to make
lunch or have to go to thebathroom Without self-steering
which I'm still struggling withor autopilot, and the reason I
did that, which to some degreewas a little bit foolish doing
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it solo, but I wanted to gethere for the annual regatta
because that's the high momentin Georgetown, which to me is
the mecca for sailing cruisers.
Capn Tinsley (24:58):
Yeah, Last week
there were Hayden talks about it
being one of his happy places.
He's got many happy places, buteverybody's talked about it
Like it's just.
That's why a lot of peopledon't go any further than they
call it Chicken Harbor, becausepeople like, oh, I don't want to
go any further, it's too scaryand it's why not just stay here.
It's a great place.
Dennis Jay (25:19):
And I would say
probably 80 percent of the
people.
This is the farthest south, butit's interesting.
A lot of people have left afterthe regatta.
They're going down to Turks andCaicos, the Virgin Islands,
puerto Rico, and then we've gotpeople that are coming in that
have been there most of thewinter and they're coming back
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here and going to spend a coupleof weeks.
Last week we had 380 cruisersin the Harbor, which is down a
little bit from from last year.
Capn Tinsley (25:53):
Was that crowded?
Do you think that?
Does that feel crowded?
Dennis Jay (25:56):
No, it doesn't.
There there's severalanchorages, some you know.
The Elizabeth Harbor is inbetween Stocking Island and
Georgetown on Great Exuma, andso there's a fair amount of room
.
Now you're talking about thebest anchorages.
Yeah, there's a little bit ofyou know, competition to get in
(26:18):
there.
Two years ago they put inmoorings here, which the
cruisers did not like at allbecause they put them in in the
best anchorages.
There's two sets of mooringshere, but we had pretty stiff
winds last night and I noticedthat I think all but three
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moorings where I was anchoredwere taken.
So, and some people, especiallythe trawlers, like to be on
moorings where I was anchored,were taken.
So, and some people, especiallythe trawlers, like to be on
moorings and some of them staythere permanently and it's not
too expensive.
They kept it relativelyreasonable and they're solid
moorings, which is really good.
Capn Tinsley (26:57):
I want to say to
Goose he had an IP37 until about
10 years ago and he's workingon getting his next boat.
Now we have a broker watching.
That's Hayden.
He's in the Caribbean right now, but we can make that happen.
I'm not a broker, I get nothing, but I always like it when
people are buying a boat.
(27:17):
That's always exciting.
But I also wanted to say herethat, okay, so Hayden says
Georgetown, exumas, is a greatdestination.
After 10 years we madeourselves push to the Caribbean
and they're in St Martin rightnow.
St Martin is the awesome placeto cruise.
Dennis Jay (27:34):
That was one of the
first places.
I think that was after 9-11.
My wife and I think our son wasmaybe 12 years old cruised on a
Sun Odyssey 37 for a week in StMartin and that was just a
(27:55):
wonderful place.
And I've cruised the Caribbeanbefore, but I just have a
special thing for St Martinbeautiful place are you planning
to go further on this trip?
Or are you going to?
Capn Tinsley (28:07):
you're going to
hang out there.
Dennis Jay (28:08):
No, I'm going to.
I'm going to start headingnorth in another month.
Capn Tinsley (28:13):
Okay, yeah, I've
got you want to be out of there
for hurricane season.
Dennis Jay (28:19):
Oh, I'm definitely
going to be out of here for
hurricane season.
My boat insurer does not likeme to be even in Florida during
hurricane season and it gets alittle bit too warm for me.
And I love Baltimore and I'm ina condo marina.
It's a very nice community.
(28:40):
I own a slip there up inBaltimore and I have this
beautiful view of the harbor.
A lot of activities going on,so I kind of go from one
community to another.
Capn Tinsley (28:51):
So you actually
have you live in a condo the
rest part of the year with yourboat right there.
Dennis Jay (28:57):
Yeah, I live on a
boat, in a slip that I own.
Oh, you live on the boat, okay,yeah, so, and that works very
well for me.
But let me tell you a littlebit about this annual oh here,
look at this for Dennis.
Capn Tinsley (29:14):
You owe the crew
of IP440.
Don't blink a couple of beersbefore we leave Georgetown on
Friday.
Well, there you go.
It's just don't blink.
It's don't blink from OrangeBeach.
Yes, man, I need to meet youguys.
You know I'm in Orange Beach.
I live in Gulf Shores, theboat's at Bear Point Marina.
I need to meet these people.
(29:35):
They've got a Kenny Chesneyname for their boat.
That's just too cool.
Dennis Jay (29:39):
You got to buy them
some beers well, um, we were
together last night at uh uh,the main beach volleyball beach,
where some of the cruiser uhmusicians did a beatles tribute
concert and it was very wellattended and it was kind of uh
I'm sure it's lots of boomers inthe, in the in Anchorage, I'm
(30:02):
sure.
Capn Tinsley (30:03):
Lots of boomers,
old Gen Xers.
Dennis Jay (30:06):
And so Tim offered
to buy us beers, which he did,
and then I said well, you knowI'll get the next round.
And of course the bar closedright after he bought the beers,
Darn.
Capn Tinsley (30:23):
Well, so so Hayden
says Baltimore is a fantastic
Harvard.
He's from up that way.
I guess you know each other upthere, huh.
Dennis Jay (30:31):
I first met him in
it was 2006.
We had an island packetrendezvous in Rock Hall,
maryland, and we raced in thatone.
I remember Island packets.
Huh the boat was relatively newfor us and there was a really
good crowd.
(30:52):
I think at one time GratitudeMarine was the largest island
packet dealer in the US, sothere's a lot of island packets
up there.
There's a lot of island packetshere.
In fact, there was a minirendezvous here, I think two
days before I got here.
Capn Tinsley (31:11):
Oh wow, which had.
Dennis Jay (31:12):
I known about.
I would have tried to get hereeven earlier, but and there were
.
Capn Tinsley (31:17):
I need to get my
boat there.
Dennis Jay (31:19):
Oh, absolutely, and
there were.
There were two that were in thethe big race.
Well, there were two races hereduring the regatta week one
Elizabeth Harbor race, and thenwe had a race, a 13 mile race
around Stocking Island, and Ijust want to break here a little
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bit.
I was that crossed the finishline, the first that crossed the
finish line, and it was atartan 37.
And we first place honors, andit was captained by Captain Mike
Beard and we just had the besttime on that boat.
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The winds were perfect.
It went out into Exuma Soundand then came back up into the
Elizabeth River.
Capn Tinsley (32:10):
You know, there's
a lot of people that follow my
channel that want to do whatyou're doing.
Dennis Jay (32:14):
Yeah, you got any
advice for them.
Well, my only regret was Ididn't do it a heck of a lot
sooner.
Capn Tinsley (32:21):
Oh yeah.
Dennis Jay (32:23):
And the times I've
been here, I haven't been able
to stay very long, only for acouple of weeks or so, and so I
decided now I'm going to go andspend more time, and I should
have come a lot earlier thisyear, but I was waiting for my
football team to get into theSuper Bowl.
Capn Tinsley (32:40):
Oh well, you can
watch from anywhere, as long as
you're online.
Dennis Jay (32:45):
Well, yeah, I can go
to New Orleans, okay, anyway.
Capn Tinsley (32:51):
So you actually
went to the Super Bowl.
Dennis Jay (32:53):
No, I did not,
because my team didn't get in.
Capn Tinsley (32:56):
Oh, okay, what's
your team?
Dennis Jay (32:57):
Buffalo Bills.
Capn Tinsley (32:59):
Okay, yeah, all
right.
Dennis Jay (33:03):
So next year I'm
just going to come here.
Capn Tinsley (33:05):
Just go.
They probably have a Super Bowlparty at Georgetown.
Dennis Jay (33:09):
Oh, I believe they
did.
I'm sure they have a reallygood Facebook page, georgetown
Exumers Cruisers and there's thebest cruise net here that I've
ever been involved in Very, veryprofessional, but it was in its
(33:29):
in its.
It's where you go to get a lotof good information.
You have a problem with yourboat, you need help fixing your
engine or your water maker orwhatever.
I love that, I love that yougrab the radio at you know eight
o'clock in the morning and Iwould dare say you know 90% of
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the time by the afternoonsomebody shows up with your boat
.
Capn Tinsley (33:57):
That's got the
expertise to help you or the
parts, or they might be flyinghome.
If you're flying home, they'llask you to bring something back
that you can't get there.
Right, and people are willingto do that.
That's awesome.
Dennis Jay (34:07):
A very caring
community.
I'll give you a couple ofexamples.
The second day I was here,there was a very big blow 35
knots it was just the hardestrain and it came in waves.
It's not like the storms wehave in the Chesapeake Bay that
are like 15, 20 minutes and it'sover All day long.
(34:28):
And there was a young woman ina relatively small boat I don't
think it was more than 30 feetand she dragged and she ended up
on the beach.
And so she fell out andeverybody monitors 68 here and I
would say within five minutesthere were four dinghies that
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came to her rescue and they gother off the beach and the next
morning on on the cruise net.
She was just so appreciative,you know relatively young, you
know thirties maybe, and she wasjust saying, you know, I'm just
so appreciative to my heroes.
You know, you know 30s maybe,and she was just saying, you
know, I'm just so appreciativeto my heroes, you know, came to
save me.
(35:08):
A couple of days later therewas a woman who was sounded like
she was in dire need of adentist and there is a dentist
on the island, but I think heonly flies in once a week or so.
Capn Tinsley (35:23):
Oh my God, there
was a dentist in the Anchorage.
He was from France.
Did he have his tools with him?
Dennis Jay (35:30):
He said he had an
X-ray on board.
Capn Tinsley (35:34):
Oh, my God.
Dennis Jay (35:36):
And one of his crew
was an MD, and so you know he
just said come on over, I'll dowhat I can do.
Capn Tinsley (35:45):
what's an MV?
What's an MV?
Dennis Jay (35:46):
A medical doctor MD.
Oh, md, okay, oh my gosh, ohyou know we got it, we got to
cover it they need a real estateagent.
Capn Tinsley (35:55):
You know, I don't
know how handy that'll be, but a
couple of days a week.
Dennis Jay (36:03):
There's somebody who
conducts water aerobics at one
of the beaches and there's yoga.
But and there's the other nicething I really really it seems
like there's more kids here thanthere's ever been, most of whom
are probably homeschooled ontheir boats.
But they come here and they,they meet other kids, they get
(36:25):
involved in all kinds ofactivities.
They had dinghy races duringthe regatta and sandcastle
building and and I'm sure thethe, the parents also share, you
know, homeschooling with them.
You know there's a lot of.
Capn Tinsley (36:43):
I've interviewed
people that are that were, that
were grew up there MelanieMelody and then, before internet
, she did the home.
They had to mail in the testand now and then I've
interviewed people that aredoing homeschool there now on
the internet.
Dennis Jay (36:59):
Yeah.
Capn Tinsley (36:59):
So this has been
going on a while.
It's so cool.
Hey, can I do a quickintroduction of the sponsor for
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Boom, thank you.
I'm going to bring Hayden'scomment back.
So the FUBU is that the netthat you were talking about on
(37:44):
16?
Dennis Jay (37:44):
No, I think that's a
streaming service.
Capn Tinsley (37:47):
Oh, okay.
Dennis Jay (37:48):
Yeah, and that's the
one that you watch.
Capn Tinsley (37:50):
Oh, okay, yeah, he
watched the Eagles game that
was in Martinique.
Dennis Jay (37:57):
Okay, I know a few
of the boats had Super Bowl
parties, depending on whetheryou were an Eagles fan or a
Kansas City fan.
Capn Tinsley (38:07):
You had to put the
flag out, and then people would
just gravitate to the rightboat.
Dennis Jay (38:12):
It's amazing the
stuff they do.
Earlier this afternoon therewas a concert that took place on
the top deck of a houseboat andI saw a photograph on the
Facebook page and there weremaybe, I don't know 30 dinghies
(38:33):
rafted up around this and they,you know, just to sit there in
your dinghy and have a drink andwatch.
You know musicians.
You know which is pretty cool.
Oh man, it sounds like a blast,it is a blast and, like you know
, every day it's like you knowwhich is oh man, it sounds like
a blast, it is a it is a blastand, like you know, every day
it's like you know somethingelse.
Um, and just, people do a lot ofthings together here and you,
you meet some wonderful people,um, and I want to share with you
(38:54):
the other.
The other night I met this um,this 34 year old woman who, um,
who was from Wisconsin, and shelived aboard a boat with her
parents and her two youngersisters, and she came to
Georgetown when she was 12 yearsold and she was just telling me
(39:16):
how life was back then and howit was just such a rich
environment to grow up on a boatand then to come to Georgetown.
Well, her parents still have aboat.
She had moved to Australia andgot married and met this nice
(39:40):
Australian guy who was with herand kept on saying I've got to
take you to this special placein the Bahamas.
You won't believe how cool itis there.
Last time I was there was whenI was 12 years old, and so her
parents invited the two of themand they're recreating her
childhood here.
Capn Tinsley (39:59):
And is she there
right now with her Australian?
Dennis Jay (40:01):
Yeah, they're on a
relatively big catamaran.
So you know the parents haveone side of it, you know the
state road.
Capn Tinsley (40:09):
Oh yeah.
Dennis Jay (40:10):
And they have the
other side of the state road.
Capn Tinsley (40:15):
Is he going to be
convinced that he needs to get a
boat and move to the States?
Dennis Jay (40:20):
You know sailing is.
They live in Sydney States andBahamas.
They live in Sydney.
That's probably the Annapolisof Australia.
You just meet all kinds of realinteresting people here from
all over the world.
I see flags.
There's a lot of Canadians here, obviously Europeans as well.
(40:41):
There's people here fromSwitzerland and Sweden and
France and Spain so let me go tothis next.
Capn Tinsley (40:51):
This is a chat GPT
question.
What's the most Bahamas momentyou've had?
Like a scene straight out of apostcard, but with a twist like
it was like everything was goinggreat and all of a sudden, whoa
, you know well, well, just um.
Dennis Jay (41:09):
You know I tend to
not pay attention to you.
Know, there's a glorious sunsetand this actually happened a
few years ago.
We're sailing up the exumachain and it was just this
beautiful, beautiful moment andI wasn't paying attention to the
tides and just ran hard aground.
And of course, in the Bahamasit's not like you can call
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towboat US to come in and pullyou off and we were able to get
off.
But you have to watch it herebecause it does get shallow In
some places.
Capn Tinsley (41:49):
I know there's
coral down there, A lot of coral
.
You were just on a sand bank.
Dennis Jay (41:56):
I was on a sand bank
the other day and hit a rock.
It said it wasn't 12 feet ofwater, but it wasn't, and maybe
I wasn't watching the tides, butbut you hit a rock.
Yeah, I still have to go underand see if I got a little chunk
taken out.
But you know I have done that acouple of times here, going
(42:19):
going into inlets and notwaiting for high tide and bumped
really, really hard.
And then, you know, I go underand like this is an amazing boat
.
It can yeah, so forgiving youcan bump into a lot of things,
but with this you know the wholeintegrity of the keel being
(42:40):
part of the structure of theboat.
With a long, you know keel,that's, you know, probably this
wide at the widest, it can takea lot of beatings and you know
there's a few chips taken out ofit and I doctor it up when I
pull it out.
But it's a great boat to havein the Bahamas.
Capn Tinsley (42:57):
Do you go down
there and put some 5200 or
something and know to kind ofjust seal it up for the moment?
Dennis Jay (43:05):
I've never had
anything so far knock on wood
that I felt that I had to dothat, that there might be, um,
you know, an incursion into the.
Um, you know, it's mostly justbeen some gel coat, uh, chips I
see, but I I wasn't going inthere, okay right, right.
But know, this is another thingabout the Bahamas, and I think
(43:27):
this was the first year we werehere, we were getting ready to
leave with the Canadians.
They kind of all leave together, at least of gradually leave
the northern Abacos and go into.
(43:50):
We went into Charleston, so itwas like I don't know a two-day
thing, but anyway, this one boatwas coming into the anchorage
where we're going to stay thenight before we're going to
leave and they ran harder groundand you know.
So they got on the radio andyou know there were again, there
(44:13):
were four or five dinghiesthere and and they couldn't get
off.
You know tried everything.
And finally this one guy hadvery powerful motor engine on
his dinghy and we were able totie a halyard to it and we had
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enough people that got on theboat and we were at probably a
30 degree angle.
Capn Tinsley (44:45):
So the dinghy was
pulling the boat, kind of like.
Dennis Jay (44:48):
Right.
Capn Tinsley (44:49):
Okay.
Dennis Jay (44:50):
Yeah, there's a
halyard going up, so this wasn't
a rock, this was sand.
Well, this was sand, but he hada thin keel.
There's a difference, you know,with an island packet.
Capn Tinsley (45:01):
I like an island
packet.
I hear that's really hard whenyou go in a sand bank, that's
really hard to get off.
Dennis Jay (45:10):
It's probably like
as bad as a wing keel which kind
of adds an anchor in sand.
Capn Tinsley (45:21):
So Hayden says
splash is that.
Splash zone is a good two-partunderwater epoxy to have on
board.
Dennis Jay (45:29):
Always hearing good
tips from old hayden you know, I
probably have five things onthis boat, including my windlass
, my wind generator and mybatteries.
Um, you know, because of haydenhayden would okay, yeah
(45:50):
recommend it and I said, okay,I'm going to keep that in mind
when and when I look to get anew.
Uh, I think we still have thesame windlass and we still have
the same generator.
Capn Tinsley (46:00):
Uh, the marine
beam lights I have on my boat he
was talking about well, heneeds to tell you, he needs to
keep you up to date when hemakes changes just a wealth of
great knowledge for I understand.
I have the same situation.
I've got stuff.
It's like, what do you buy,hayden?
And then I go out and buy it.
You, he's going to be comingback on.
(46:24):
They've been on about fourtimes.
I've asked him.
He hasn't answered yet.
I'm hoping he'll come on April9th.
I just say, hayden, what do youwant to talk about?
He brings visuals and it'sawesome, but he's always got so
much good information.
So, um, uh, this is a chat gptquestion, so I told it to give
(46:50):
me kind of odd questions.
What's the strangest thingyou've ever bartered for in the
islands?
Bonus points if it involved rumof course, um, well, okay, so.
Dennis Jay (47:04):
So we have a thing
in the islands?
Well, it's not a thing, it's arequirement that you cannot sell
If you're not a Bahamian.
Capn Tinsley (47:14):
You cannot sell.
You can't get a job or sell.
Dennis Jay (47:17):
So you can trade or
barter and every day there's
probably a dozen things thatpeople are either looking for or
willing to trade and I'vealways wondered you know what I
could give up.
And there have been a couple ofthings that I have traded for
(47:44):
and let me think if there's anyreally strange ones.
I did.
Capn Tinsley (47:49):
When you hear
about people trading, like maybe
the Bahamians, mike, you givethem like Budweiser beer and
they give you lobster.
Dennis Jay (48:01):
Yes, yes, and this
was up in West End in Grand
Bahama.
A gentleman came by and hewanted, and he had six lobsters
and I think we gave him a couplebeers.
Capn Tinsley (48:20):
A couple.
Dennis Jay (48:22):
Yeah well, beer is
very expensive here.
Everything is expensive here.
I went in the Exuma marketyesterday and eggs were going
for more than $13 a dozen, and Iknow they're pricey back home
but $13 a dozen.
Capn Tinsley (48:39):
But you know, they
probably came from here, right.
Yeah, probably, I mean it's notlike they don't have chickens
there, though.
Dennis Jay (48:49):
Manufactured here in
the island.
Capn Tinsley (48:51):
You got to bring a
little chicken with you on the
boat.
Dennis Jay (48:55):
I do remember I had
somebody aboard and and you know
I don't remember what I gotfrom him, but he saw, when we
went to Cuba in 2016, we cameback with a lot of rum.
It was very inexpensive and itwas really good rum and it was
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Cuban Club, I believe, and hesaw the bottle and it was my
last bottle and he wanted it andI said I'm sorry, I just can't
part with it.
It's my and I love that it's awhite.
Capn Tinsley (49:29):
Was this?
Was this like the officers, thecoast guard or whatever, the
border patrol or whatever it isthat was greeting you, Did they
ask for it?
Dennis Jay (49:41):
Oh, they asked for
cash in Cuba.
They wanted a tip.
They had to tip them before yougot your.
They would stamp your passportto leave.
I do remember that.
But so so I had offered thisguy, I said listen, I said I'm
not going to part with the rumbut I'll get you.
I'll give you something that'seven more valuable, and I'll
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clean the bottom of your boat.
I have a dive set up here and Iclean my bottom.
Capn Tinsley (50:12):
And so you would
rather clean the bottom of his
boat.
Do that manual labor, then giveup your room.
Dennis Jay (50:17):
Right, but but you
know what?
And I said just just let meknow when you want me to do it.
He never asked me.
So you got out of it and I and Iand I think I got a part that's
what you got out of it and Iand I think I got a part.
Um, I got an engine part off ofthem.
Um that I think was like brandnew at the time that I I needed.
I think it was a solenoid or arelay switch or something like
(50:38):
that.
But anyway, wow, but that wasin cuba.
It goes on every day and it'samazing what people are giving
away Brand new batteries.
Somebody had an auto helm thismorning that they were looking
to part with.
Capn Tinsley (50:55):
Because they just
didn't want to store it on the
boat I get it.
Dennis Jay (50:59):
You know, I think
people come here with extra
things to give away.
Capn Tinsley (51:07):
That's nice, yeah,
and.
Dennis Jay (51:09):
I tend to like get
rid of a lot of things before I
come here because I don't wantto wait, but there's a certain
amount of things.
I remember one year there was aguy who was desperately looking
for massive quantities of whitevinegar, which I carry a lot of
it on here because that's theonly thing because there's not a
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lot of fresh water you want toput it in the head off of your
deck or off of your hall.
Okay, okay, you just do 50, 50with water and vinegar and that
doesn't trip.
And he I think he was going toit would have given away his
firstborn for you know a coupleof gallons.
But they now sell white vinegarin the store here, you know.
(51:54):
So how much is it it actually?
You know it's relatively cheap.
You know it's probably threetimes the cost of what you can
buy, which still wasn't veryexpensive.
It was maybe 15, $16 a gallon.
Capn Tinsley (52:12):
All right.
So here's another question.
Ever had a boat project go sowrong that you just had to laugh
or cry about it later?
That's a chat GPT question.
Dennis Jay (52:22):
Oh, like everyone, I
mean, I've had boat projects
from hell.
I replaced my holding tank.
Capn Tinsley (52:31):
Oh gosh, in the
middle of winter I've heard
stories.
I just bypassed that thing andI just used the waste filtration
system Because I didn't want to.
It was leaking, so we're justgoing to install this, because
you have to do major surgery onthe boat to get it out of there.
Dennis Jay (52:53):
They made island
packets not to ever have to take
a holding tank out.
Capn Tinsley (52:58):
Yeah, then why did
they put aluminum?
Dennis Jay (52:59):
if you're never
supposed to, I had to use a
jackhammer to go through thispink fiberglass and I literally
spent weeks and it was in thefreezing winter of Annapolis
getting to that.
But, I was very proud that I gotit and I got a new one made,
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and that was a year after Ibought the boat.
That was the one thing thesurveyor missed.
That was a year after I boughtthe boat.
That was the one thing thesurveyor missed.
It was actually leaking when Ibought it.
Mine did too.
At the time it was four yearsold and hardly used.
In fact, I don't think thestove was lit prior to buying it
, so now you have a hatch there.
Capn Tinsley (53:43):
You made you a
hatch right there.
You made your hatch right there, yeah.
Dennis Jay (53:48):
I have a piece of of
Teak and Holly that comes out.
Capn Tinsley (53:55):
Is it in right by
the V-Birth or is that where?
Dennis Jay (53:57):
it is Under the
V-Birth.
Capn Tinsley (53:59):
Yeah.
Dennis Jay (54:00):
But that was a
terrible job.
But, like you know, there'scountless numbers Replacing my,
my faucet in the galley, becauseyou know you have the two sinks
going down, and then there'sthis little space and you know
there's a trash can that comesout and I got in there and you
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can't get at it.
Capn Tinsley (54:26):
Yeah, I hired
somebody to replace mine.
I wanted to update a little bit.
Dennis Jay (54:30):
That was one of the
most frustrating jobs.
Well, the other one and mostisland packet people know this
is replacing your sanitationhoses from the toilet into the
head is nearly impossible, and Iended up and I've replaced them
twice.
First time my son did it and Idon't know how he did it, but he
, I remember, after he did it hesays don't you ever ask me to
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do this again.
Capn Tinsley (54:54):
It's nasty.
Yeah, I had to get somebody tounclog, like I didn't put
anything down there, but there'sa lot of paper.
It wasn't me, but somebody hadthe dirty job of doing it.
Dennis Jay (55:07):
It builds up in the
hoses and that's why you know
pouring vinegar down, like oncea month will help, you know,
clear that stuff out If you'reusing raw water.
Capn Tinsley (55:19):
I use unfiltered,
I don't know what was done
before I got it.
I got it in 2020.
It's a 1998 Island Packet 320,which I love.
It's perfect for you know whatI want?
Dennis Jay (55:27):
It's a 1998 Island
Packet 320, which I love.
It's perfect for what I want.
It's definitely a good product.
Capn Tinsley (55:30):
I'm waiting for
Hayden to weigh in on the
sanitation hoses.
He's probably got a little goodstory about that.
Dennis Jay (55:37):
I ended up.
I got so frustrated.
I was in a yard.
This was two summers ago.
I was in the yard.
I had the yard guys come in andlook at it and try to to force.
I mean we tried all kinds ofthing me feeding it through from
the old one, and all that.
I ended up having to cut a holein the bottom cabinet below the
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sink in the head to get at itand um well, now you got a good
hatch there, right well, exactlyand like nobody looks at that
anyway.
Right, right, no piece back in.
And actually I put some epoxyin it and like you know, there's
, there's a whole bunch ofthings like that.
Capn Tinsley (56:22):
You just kind of
curse you can't sell that boat
now.
You've made it so easy.
Dennis Jay (56:27):
I'm never going to
sell this boat.
I think I need to be buried init.
Capn Tinsley (56:35):
Hey, that's a good
idea.
So Hayden says I ripped oursanitation hoses four times.
He ripped them out four timesin 25 years.
The old IPs are easy.
Dennis Jay (56:45):
Well, I don't know
about that, but the three, the
old IPs are easy Well, I don'tknow about that, but easy for
him.
The three-letter IPs, which Ithink are 99 and later.
Capn Tinsley (56:58):
There's a whole
bunch.
Mine's a 98.
Dennis Jay (57:01):
Yeah.
Capn Tinsley (57:02):
Yeah.
Dennis Jay (57:03):
Oh, yours is a 320?
Yeah, okay, so it's 90.
That must have been, oh so he'son a 35.
Capn Tinsley (57:10):
He's talking, yeah
.
So, he's saying his version iseasy.
And Goose says nothing beats acedar bucket and a strong rope.
And Tim Lynn says I bought thenew sanitation hoses but have
not screwed up the courage toreplace them yet.
Yeah, so he's on a 440.
(57:32):
Tim, I got to meet you guys.
I want to tour your boat.
I'll do a video.
If you're here in Orange Beach,I think I know where that boat
is.
Is it near the islands?
Is it near Walker Key and allthat?
I think I've seen it.
There's mostly powerboats here,so when you see an island
packet, it stands out.
Dennis Jay (57:56):
So that was your
project.
Capn Tinsley (57:57):
That made you cry.
Dennis Jay (58:00):
It's either laugh or
cry.
Capn Tinsley (58:04):
Laugh, cry and
swear.
Okay, so I have one morequestion and then we'll wrap it
up.
Unless you, I I'll keep talking, if you want.
They say sailors are greatstorytellers.
You've already told some goodstories, but what's your best?
You won't believe.
This actually happened.
Sailing tale this actually.
Dennis Jay (58:23):
This actually
happened on a previous boat in
the Chesapeake Bay.
I got lost in some islands nearI think it was Tangier Island,
around that way, and the boatdidn't draw a whole lot, it draw
(58:46):
maybe four feet.
And I remember a watermancoming by and just looked in
amazement at us and we wonderedwhy is he giving us this look?
And it must have been anextreme high tide, because we
went back and looked at thecharts where we got lost and
(59:07):
there was only supposed to belike 15 inches of water and it
was like, you know, there wassome sailing god that was
looking over us, that we did not, I mean, run aground and
basically, you know, could have,like you know, sank the boat,
um, in that level of water.
(59:28):
We just always wondered how thehell did we get through?
It was a passage through twoislands.
Capn Tinsley (59:37):
I think God came
in and lifted you up and got you
through.
Dennis Jay (59:44):
It was just an
amazing.
Capn Tinsley (59:47):
It was like your
own little miracle.
Yeah, it was an angel that cameand lifted you up and got you
through.
Tim, I know where that is,walker Key.
I'm a real estate agent.
So, tim, can you, can Iinterview you like soon?
Just, will you email me Atsaltyabandon at gmail?
(01:00:11):
Would you be interested indoing See if you can talk them
into it?
You got to buy them a beer.
You can lube them up.
See if you can get them tocommit.
Okay, so, goose says.
I woke up one morning tosomeone screaming Harder, deeper
over and over, looked up andfound a huge parrot Was showing
this stuff by her owner tellingthe bird to shut up.
That's a good story right there, that's a great story.
Dennis Jay (01:00:35):
I might steal that
one You're frozen, you're frozen
, and you're frozen, and you'remuted, you're muted.
I think we're done, thank you.