Salty Podcast #58 | Sailing Oregon to Hawaii ➡️🌺: @Sailing_with_Phoenix Prepares to Cross the Pacific ⛵🐾🌊 - Salty Podcast: Sailing

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Captain Tinsley (00:00):
Hello everybody , tonight we're catching up with
Oliver from Sailing withPhoenix, and that was the wrong
cover.
That was on the countdown there, so don't pay attention to that
.
That was last week and Oliver'sgot big news in just over two
weeks he's set to sail fromOregon to Hawaii with his cat,
phoenix Award, of course, andsince we spoke last November,
oliver's left his job.

(00:21):
He left a job and has beenworking nonstop to get his boat
ready for his for this PacificPacific crossing.
He's tackled everything fromunexpected repairs to crucial
upgrades and he's here to shareabout those things, what is
planned for the next couple ofweeks when he makes this
crossing, and as well as theplan for the crossing itself.

(00:42):
This episode is for anyonedreaming of going ashore,
wondering what it really takesor just needing a dose of honest
, salty inspiration.
But first, please like,subscribe and share this video
and help out the channel, andalso please drop your comments
in the live chat so Oliver cananswer your questions in real

(01:03):
time.
I'm Captain Tinsley of SaltyAbandoned and Island Packet 320
Sailboat and this is the SaltyPodcast, episode 58.
Let's get into it, hello Oliver.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoe (01:15):
Hey , how's it going?
Welcome back.
Yeah, thanks for having me back.

Tick, tock, it's coming.
Yeah, are you excited?

Oliver of Sailing with Pho (01:25):
Yeah , I'm beyond excited.
I can't wait.
It's like the night beforeChristmas, for you know, it's
been like the night beforeChristmas for like five months.

I know it's the night before the night before
the night before the nightbefore Christmas Erica says hey,
oliver, I guess you know who,or maybe?
She's one of your followers.

Yeah , thanks for coming.

Yeah, okay, so last we talked, you know you had
like six months or something,and so I'm sure a lot's changed.
I've kind of caught up a littlebit on your videos, but let's
talk.
We're going to talk about threetopics, but the first one I
want to cover is plans for thenext two weeks.
So it's 15 days, is it?

(02:10):
Is it 15, 16?

days yeah.

Okay, wow, that's coming up.
So what do you have to do iscrunch time, so what do?
You have to do over the nexttwo weeks.

It's .
I have to provision, I have tocompletely organize the boat,
like I have to unpack the boatcompletely and then repack it,
and right now I've I've not beenon shore power for like six
days now.
I'm just running everything andjust seeing how it how it goes

(02:45):
and messing with the solar, andand then I've got a few little
things I still have to do, whichI I still haven't, like put
anything in a list or anything.
I'm just this whole process.
I've just been firing from thehip and winging it but off the
top of my head, like my dcampers thing.

(03:06):
I have to.
I've got a new one in order.
I have to change out because Imelted it, um, because I uh,
it's only a 50 amp thing and Iran the microwave, which is 50
amps and I turned all the lightson at the same time for some
reason and uh, it just likemelted the back of it.
It still works, but I'm uh gonnareplace that yeah, dc is gonna

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be important yeah, I'll have ahundred, a hundred amp or 150
amp or 100 amp, I can't rememberwhat I got, but that shouldn't.
I'm not gonna use the microwavebut just put a new one in there
and then, um, uh, I gotta tiedown my life raft mean.
There's a few things, justlittle things.

The big one.
That's a big one that you'regoing to unpack everything, kind
of like when you get a new boat.
Unpack everything and don't putanything back on the boat you
don't need.

Yeah , I know.
It's hard to know what's allthere that I think I'll be
throwing away.
But yeah, that's going to be achallenge for sure.
But yeah, that's kind of it,and then kind of just continue
to monitor the weather, becauseit's not looking good right now

(04:18):
on like May 1st.

On that date.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoeni (04:20):
I don't know that I'll be leaving
May 1st because, according topredict winds right now, it, uh,
it's all gonna be like justheadwind for all the way down
the coast.
So, um, yeah, I'm not gonna.
I'm I don't know, we'll see.
I'll just keep monitoring it andit looks like what you're, I'm
gonna go out the bar and thenI'm gonna hang, hang left and

(04:45):
try and because I'll get like100 miles offshore, and then
I'll try and follow the tradewinds, as long as it's like one
constant flow, but I might, Idon't know, I'll route as I'm
there, as I'm doing it,depending on the winds.

Okay, and you?
You said that you have um what?
What's the name of the deviceyou have?
Again, iridium Go.

Yeah , I've got an Iridium, go and
Starlink.
Oh, you do have Starlink yeah.

Yeah, okay, all right, but you don't have an
inReach.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoen (05:22):
No , which is basically the Iridium
Go.
Are you going to have aninreach?
No, which is basically theiridium go.

Are you gonna have starlink on going across?
Yeah, are you gonna have thatpackage on yeah, yeah okay, all
right.
Yeah, I'd love to track you, sowe gotta figure that out.

Yeah , and I'll do some like oh, he's
here now I'll I'll uh, I'll,send you the, the link to it,
because I know how to send itindividually to people, right?
I don't know how to do how I'lldo it so that everybody could
see it.
That's kind of sketchy when youdo that I used to do that, so
good luck trying to get me theremight be Well, you're right,

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but still, you know you got alot of followers.
Yeah, ok, so you got a lot offollowers.

Yeah, okay, so that answers your giving
yourself a hard departure dateor staying flexible with the
weather.
You answered that ProvisioningI need to be ready.

My goal is to just be unpacked.
I am ready to go May 1st at thedrop of a hat.
Are you still in the?

marina, yeah, I'm in the marina.
But you're just kind ofchecking all your systems out.
Yeah being okay, are you still?

Oliver of Sailing with P (06:29):
you're in the marina, you just
unplugged uh well, I just did acouple nights at anchor and then
came back and still haven't, uh, plugged in, just to just
that's good everything yeah,that's smart.

Do it right there where it's safe, and then
just turn everything on yeahunplug and turn everything on
and see how long it lasts.

And it gets crazy windy here and
the boat rocks like crazy.
It's almost like I'm at anchor,so it kind of simulates it.
I guess a little bit.

Special meals, any routines for the crossing,
any kind of trying to how tokeep your mind busy, or you can
be listening to audio books oranything.

Uh , I, I don't have a problem
keeping my mind busy, Um, and Ihaven't.
I've got a couple of books.
I don't, I don't read, but I dohave books and I'm hoping that
I, uh, I read them.
Uh, hopefully I get boredenough to read them.
That's what it'll take.

What about audiobooks?

I don't know, I don't want to
deal with the downloading andall that stuff On your phone.
Yeah, I just, I don't know.
You have to buy a thing, andyou know.

I don't know.
30 days, man, that's a longtime.
You could be about 15 days inand you go.
Damn, I should have listened toTinsley.

Yeah , I know.

I need something to read or listen to.

Yeah , what about music?
No, wow, just you and.

God yeah.

That's cool, me and my cat and I'm
going to yeah, I don't know, Ihaven't really thought about it.
I, I don't.
And as far as the music thing,I'd rather be just like, totally
like I didn't want to bringStarlink originally.
I ended up bringing it becauseI do want to kind of like well,

(08:19):
a lot of people have likesupported me, so I wanted to
like give back in a way so thatpeople could, you know, follow
the journey and stuff, and I doalso want to make social media a
career out of it.
So I figured it's probably justa good decision just to get
Starlink.

Sure.
So you'll be posting on thetrip.

Yeah , as long as it works.

I don't really know how well it works offshore,
but as long as it's working,yeah okay, yeah, I know that you
have to have a, a differentpackage, um for 40 miles
offshore yeah okay, um, y'all,if y'all want to have any.
y'all have any questions for foroliver?
Please drop them in the livechat.
You've got quite a few peoplewatching on Instagram.

(09:07):
That's where your people are.
Okay, so the crossing itselfAre you mentally preparing for
the solitude and pace of passagelife?
That doesn't sound like it'sgoing to be a problem for you.

No , I've literally spent the last
four months completely isolated.

Like you have been on social media.

Yeah , I've been on social media, but
that's not the.
That's not like I don't know.
I think I'll be.
I'll be okay, Like I'mcomfortable with my own thoughts
alone, I like it I like it, Ilike it, I like it, I like it,
and uh, uh, yeah.
so if I don't have social media,for whatever reason, if the
thing doesn't work, um yeah, I'mI.
The whole this last four monthshas been like the test as to

(09:53):
whether or not I can.
I literally haven't talked toanyone for four months at all.
So it's uh, you know, otherthan yeah, other than like going
to a store talking to the guysat like other than yeah, other
than like going to a storetalking to the guys at like
england marine or something, butyou know friends, family,
anybody saying don't do it uh,yeah, some, some followers, some

(10:14):
sailors oh really yeah, I getall ends of the spectrum yeah
you're gonna be fine, otherpeople going, you're gonna
you're crazy

you know, yeah, all right, well, um how's, but
I'm this.
I got a couple of kittyquestions because I have three,
three cats and, like I told youbefore we went online, I'm gonna
be traveling with them.
So how is phoenix handling allthe all the prep chaos?
And does she know somethingbig's coming, uh.

I don't know, I don't know if she
knows she might, she might pickup on it, but she's doing okay.
Um, she, when it gets likerough out, she just goes on my
bed and just curls up and justlays there and uh, that's what
she does in general anyway.
So I get it's fine.
And anytime I take the boat out, I give her her favorite foods,

(11:11):
just to like give her the.
You know, it's a good thingthat we're taking the boat out,
um, and and and.
Then anytime we get back aswell, I do the same thing.
But uh, yeah, she's, she's.
Uh, I think she'll be, she'llbe fine.

Do you think um ?
I've heard people say that catscan well, dogs too can get
seasick.

Yeah , she's gotten seasick once
before.
She did not since then.
Not, it was like the first timeI took her out.

Oh is rough, or just, or was it rough?

Well , it wasn't overly rough.
I just don't think she was usedto the motion.
But uh, uh she.
Yeah, she hasn't been seasicksince.

How long you've been on the boat with her.

A year now, exactly Pretty much.

Oh yeah, yeah, she's had time to get used to it
.
Get used to the motion.
Um, we talked about some waysyou made the boat safer, more
comfortable for her during thecrossing.
Can you talk about that?

Uh , yeah.
So I just, uh, I set up thenets around the side of the boat
, um, so that you know there'sjust there to catch her if she
slips, um.
But for the passage I'm notgoing to let her out unless it's
like really calm, you know, andI'm like fully there and alert
Um.
But for the passage I'm notgoing to let her out unless it's
like really calm, you know, andI'm like fully there and alert
Um, like if I let her out it'dbe with the intention of letting

(12:32):
her out and that would be myfocus.

Right.

But it's just, you know, I know it
sucks to have her in the boatfor for that long, but it's just
.
It's not worth the risk havingher guts because I can't get her
to wear a life jacket or or, ora harness or anything I've
tried for like I tried to walkher for years.
I spent like three years tryingto walk my cat and get a
harness on her, but it wouldn'twork.

Um so what if you put a harness on her and and
then put her in the cockpit andjust can't get a harness?

on her and then put her in the
cockpit.
I can't get a harness on her.
Oh okay, I literally can't geta harness.
It's impossible.
She'll spend the rest of thetime.
She'll find a way to get it offtoo.

Right.
What if she was in the cockpit?

I won't go on and on about this,
but what if?

she's in the cockpit and she's kind of
distracted because you're out inthe middle of the Pacific.

Do you think she'd?

still try to get it off.
Yeah Well, I don't, I wouldn'tbe able to get it on her.

Okay , yeah, like putting a cat in a
bucket?
Yeah, it wouldn't be possible.
Um, but yeah, you know, if she,if she gets out there, those
nets up there that would catchher if she slips.
Um.

So yeah, all right.
Um, the crossing itself, yourexpected route.
So you're gonna go.
You're gonna go out, hang aleft, go down and then follow
the trades and I haven't lookedat a map to see what the trades
do right there.
Uh, what do they do?

they get it's kind of like spotty
from here to california and itchanges.
But once you get to rightaround california it just it
kind of just does this swoopingthing directly to hawaii.
So it'd be completely downwindall the way to hawaii once I get
to california okay, so how far?

how far south is that in California?

I have no idea.
I just look at the map and Ikind of like see, yeah, it's
right around where I need to go.

Copy that.
How long do you think it'lltake?

I don't really know.
I don't know.
Predict wind is, I think, wrong.
It says it'll take.
Like, from talking to people,most people think it'll take
roughly 25 days to get there,but Predict Win says like 15 to
20.
But I also I did get a newmainsail as well and the

(14:57):
bottom's fresh paint andeverything, so I'm slick and
fast.
So I don't know, I really don'tknow how long it'll actually
take.
Um, what do you think?

the average hull speed to be five, six
probably five knots okay, yeah,that's what I usually plan on
conservatively, yeah, um, whatkind of weather?
Winds are you?

really know with these, with this new
main sail.
You know I had the originalsails from 1991 so and I just
took it out the other day andit's, you know, it's really hard
to gauge compared as far as howmuch faster it is because of
the currents at different speedsand stuff like that, but uh, um
, yeah, it seems pretty fast andalso also pointing in the wind.

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It points in the wind so muchbetter.

So I don't know .
Oh, with the new sail, yeah, oh, that's good.
Okay, what's your biggestconcern going into the crossing?

Gear , weather, fatigue.
What is my biggest concern?
Yeah, gear.
Something catastrophic, failingthat, I wouldn't be.
You know, some things are goingto break, I think for sure.
But as far as what it is like,yeah, something if I lost all

(16:22):
power, that would suck because Idon't know how to navigate
without it.
But I do have a sextant and allthe books on board as far as
how to use it in the event thatI do.
But yeah, that would reallysuck if I lost power.

Well, that's not going to happen, especially
since you're getting that DCcharger.
Yeah, was it inverter or DC?
Well, that's not going tohappen, especially since you're
getting that DC charger.

Yeah , was it inverter or DC?
What is it?

I've got an inverter, I'm just getting a new
DC amperes thing this, oh okay,the old school one.

Yeah , okay, okay, one, yeah, okay,
um, but, and I've got a uh, onepart of this, one of the things
that I did in in here I've got a, um, it's an electric generator
so in the event that I losepower, that's gonna, that's its
own battery bank and it'll be.
It's at 100 charge all the time.
It's routed and plugged, routedto the batteries.
So I I've got a on the circuitpanel, I've got a switch for

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specifically that, so I switchthat on so it leaves it at 100
charge and if I lose all power,I still have that and that plugs
into one of my.
I could plug it into my solarpanels, um, so I, you know I
have well, would that chargeyour batteries?
That?
No, I don't think so.

Okay.

But it would charge my phone.

Oh, okay, yeah, All right, I gotcha.
And you and you want to connectthe, uh, the solar panels to
make it it charge.
Is that what you're saying?

Yeah , it can.
So if I lose all power forwhatever reason, I have that and
it, and it can also get chargedoff of the solar panel.
Right now it's getting chargedoff of my batteries, so that
just maintains a hundred percentcharge.
Um, but if I, yeah, if I can, Ihave the ability to plug it
into my solar if I lose power.
So I'll always have thatbattery as long as that works.

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But it's kind of like aredundancy for the scenario that
I lose power all right.

So that was kind of a negative question.
How about?
What do you plan on?
What's the good thing you'regoing?
You plan on getting out of thistrip?

uh , I'm just sailing out of a
freaking river.
You know sailing and like notbeing worried about hitting
things, and it will be reallynice to just set and then just
learn the boat in a way thatI've not learned about my boat
before.
All of my sailing has been onthe river.
You know which is just a.

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It sucks.
I hate sailing on the river, soI'm just super excited to just
sail is it a pretty wide river?

what river is it?

uh , it's it, it's wider here, but
where I was it was it's supernarrow.
It's the columbia river, okay,and then, like here, it's pretty
wide but it's deceptive becauselike oh, you see water but it's
, yeah, there's like, it's you,you see, you literally see like
this giant thing of water, youthink you could sail there, but

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then you see a seagull standingup.
You're like, oh, that's notgood, don't go there.

I'm pulling it up here.
I think I pulled it up before.
Is this it?
It's between oh, that's thisSalish Sea?
That's not, it is it?

No , it's the Columbia River in
Oregon, and I'm at Astoria, I'mat the coast, oregon.

Okay, all right , okay, all right.
So, um, what about?
Um, what do you think you'llget out of?
It just the sense ofaccomplishment, or yeah, uh,
this whole thing, this wholevibe you have about leaving it
all behind, leaving thecorporate world, the whole 401k
thing yeah yeah no, that's uh,the work that I've put.

I mean, I've put put in literally
for the past four or fivemonths.
It's been like seven days aweek, 10 hours a day.
I've been working on this boatnonstop and I went four months
without sailing, just working itbecause I couldn't sail,
because the condition the boatwas in, with all the stuff I was
doing to it and that has beenthe most difficult thing I've

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ever done in my life was thatmuch work in that small amount
of time.
Like I basically did everythingI think most people do over the
course of like years.
I did it in four months andthat's been really cool.
So, like not only did I get myboat ready to, because I could
have technically, you know, Icould have left pretty much

(21:05):
right when I got the boat andsailed to Hawaii.
It would have been difficult,but I could have.
But my boat is ready to sailaround the world, you know, to
cross multiple oceans, becauseI'm not stopping at Hawaii.
I am going to stop at Hawaiifor like six months to a year.
I'm not sure yet, but aroundthat time frame, Because I have

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to pay.
I've done a lot of this oncredit cards.
I have to pay down the creditcard as quickly as possible.
So I'll get to Hawaii and workand then just continue to not
eat food and pay, pay down.
Pay down because by the time Iget there I should be in like I
think I'm going a little bitover than what I anticipated,

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but I should be in like roughly$7,000 in credit card debt.
Oh, wow, yeah, which is notthat crazy.
Like I, the Hydrovane was$7,000 and I paid for that in
cash and I was able to save thatliterally eating only rice over
the course of like three orfour months when I was working.
So I'll try and get a job in inHawaii.

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I'll figure it out when.

I get there.
I don't know, I'll figure itout.
And then where are you going togo into the plan is Waikiki
Harbor.

Harbor , oh cause, there's a West
Marine right and there's a WestMarine and like walking distance
as well as a uh, there'sanother marine store there as
well.

It's the only um island that has a west marine
, so really, yeah, that's whyI've been to a lot of the
hawaiian islands and there's alot of there's like a million
people on that island yeah, it'sa populated island yeah but you
know, I originally wanted toget a job maui um, yeah, I think
the jobs are going to beavailable to get there, but I

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originally wanted to get a job.

Maui um, yeah, I think the jobs are
going to be available to getthere, but I originally wanted
to go to maui because I've gotmultiple friends that live there
.
Um, but it doesn't have anymarine stores and it's also like
much more spread out, so likeyou'd have to have like a car
yeah, that's true um.
So, uh, you could take an uberwhen you're in Honolulu and get

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anywhere.
I don't have any money.

Well, do you have a bike?

Well , yeah, I mean I'm thinking
about getting a bike, but I knowthey have those electric
scooters.
I might get a subscription tothat and just scoot around
everywhere.

I have a little boat bike.
I'm looking at the ColumbiaRiver.
It looks far inland.
I must be looking at the wrong.

Well , it goes to, like it goes far,
I don't know.
It goes to Idaho.

Okay, give me a city where it comes out into
big water.
Astoria is where it comes outinto bigger water.

Yeah .

That's the mouth Astoria.
Oh, I see.
Okay, that makes more sense,all right, yeah, that's a long
river, so and tell me againwhere you are.

I'm at the mouth.
I'm at the mouth of it.
So I'm in Warrington.

Marina Okay, oh , I see Warrington.
Okay, let me put this up sopeople can see where he is.

Yeah , right, where, basically where
it's highlighted.

Right, Is it right here?

Oliver of Sailing with Ph (24:35):
Right here yeah that's right where I
am, right down there I'm in thatarena Right here.

Yeah, that's right where I am.
Right down there.
I'm in that arena.

Right here.

Or this one.

No , the other one, this one, that
one, yep, yep, I'm in.
I can tell you what slip I'm in.

Hey, it's empty .
Yeah, it is, it is empty.

Really , that's surprising that, yeah,
it is, it is empty.

Really.
That's surprising, that'sexactly how it looks.

Is it because boats are put up for
the winter?
Where's your boat If you moveyour cursor up one row and then
to the left row?

Over here.
Yeah, I'm right over like fourslips this way.

No , I'm right over like four slips
this way.
No to the right Right.
No, it's not my boat, but I'mon that left column.
Okay, right there, I'm in thatrow.

Right in here.

No on the left.

Over here.

Yeah , I'm right there.

Okay, well, that looks pretty protected in
there.

Yeah , it gets crazy windy here,
though Really yeah, it getsinsane.

It looks like a big old river.

Yeah .

But you say there are markers and everything
.

Yeah .

Okay, so you're going to come out.

Oliver of Sailing with (25:53):
There's a lot of gallows there.

And I don't know how far you have to come
out.
But you said you're going to goon.

I'm just going to go out 100 miles
and get just offshore, yeah, andthen, yeah, start going left
and somewhere down here, thetrades start being in your favor
.
I've been told that when youput a stick of butter on the
outside and by the time it melts, that's when you turn to Hawaii
.
I think I'm going to do that.

(26:19):
I might just do that.

Kind of old school.

Yeah .

Alright, so now we know you're going to
Honolulu and you've already gotthe marina.
Is it real expensive, theMarina?

No , not as much as you'd think.
I thought it was good, Likethat was the deciding factor?

I would think it was expensive.

Yeah , it's like roughly $350 a month
for a one liveaboard slip, butyeah.

Wow.

Yeah .

You can't get that in Alabama, yeah.

It's not bad.
You know I expected to speak.
I know california could be like1200 a month per slip, which is
insane shoot I thought no no,cheryl, not the big island um,
the big island is, uh well, thebigger island, yeah, yeah, yeah
I plan on exploring all of theislands, which would be really

(27:22):
cool when I get there, Like,when I get there, I plan on
taking like because I've notlike.
So you know, I've worked a jobsince I was like 16,
consecutively nonstop up untilso.
Obviously, I quit my career ayear ago ago, but then I quit
that other job that I got five,four or five months ago.

(27:43):
Yeah, and even during thisduration it's not like I've not
been work, you know, justhanging out I've.
I've literally, if anything, myworkload has increased, you
know from working on the boat.
I plan on taking like a couplemonths and just um, just hanging
out.

You know it sounds wonderful, enjoying it a
bit so you, you had a job at I'mtrying to remember the name of
that store.

It was a tire place yeah, another,
I got another tire, but it wasa different type of job.
Yeah, another tire place and,uh, I didn't do anything for
that.
I literally like I would show upto work and I remember you
saying it was like I had my ownlike I didn't have any like
bosses that I worked for adealership.
I was contracted to work in adealership to sell tires for the

(28:31):
dealership, so I didn't haveany like bosses there, so I
would just sit.
That's how I learned how toedit all my videos.
I just sat there for eighthours a day, five days a week,
editing videos for social media,and that's what I learned.

Nobody could see that.
I mean, they didn't give youany duties.

I ended up getting fired, so they
figured it out that I literallydidn't do my job.

Did you have a list of duties or anything?

I had to sell tires and, uh, they
kept coming down on me.
They're like why aren't youselling tires?
Why they were just soincredibly, they're tyrants.
And uh, they just wanted me to.
I, literally, it was physicallynot capable of selling.
I can't sell tires anymore.
I'm, I can't do it.
You're over it.
I can't do it.
Yeah, there's no way.
And uh, uh, yeah, they wantedme to sell time and I would get
these crazy emails and they tookI can't do it.

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Yeah, there's no way.
Yeah, they wanted me to selltime and I would get these crazy
emails and they took my, theytook my office chair away and
because I was sitting down, yeahand yeah, it's just funny,
thank you.

Cheryl oh, and it's a Wahoo, by the way, where
he's going.
So, yeah, I think he's prettygood at the old Instagram
editing.
He has some great videos yeah,I figured it out.
So you said you would get thecrazy emails yeah, I just get

(29:54):
crazy, you know.

Yeah , I just didn't do that job.
I just I literally I went intothat job with a mindset of being
like I'm going to, I'm, I'mgoing to pull off, try and pull
off this social media stuff, orat least figure it out while I'm
at this job and just take thatopportunity for that time in the
day.
Instead of doing the job, I'llspend all of that time on on me.
It's terrible as far as, likeyou know, an employee goes, but

(30:23):
it was have they ever watchedyour videos?
um, I think, I don't know, Idon't think so one of my old
boss, one of the one of my mybosses when I was there, got
fired.
He does see my videos, he doesfollow me now and uh does see my

(30:47):
videos.

He does follow me now and, uh, that's pretty
funny.
Your followers are grateful tothe tire company for training
you.
Yeah, oh, that is, that's agood one, all right.
So they said okay, you gotta go, you're not doing anything and
so, yeah, that's what?

because I don't know.
If you remember when weoriginally spoke, my the plan to
sail to hawaii was originallyapril 2026 yeah or may 2026 that
was the original plan and I mymy job started.
I I could see the end coming.
I could clear his day.
They were sending all the crazyemails.

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I was getting written up.
I got written up like fivetimes in one week once I was
like what the hell is going on?

What would they say?
There's people coming in andyou weren't selling them any
tires.
Yeah, I wasn't.
You'd say, just go away.

I wasn't reading the quotas, and
then the dealership managementwas telling them I was just
sitting in my chair, and thenthey took my chair and then I
grabbed the chair and I broughtit back.
I'm not going to stand and editthese videos.
I got to sit down.
Did you tell them that?
No, they didn't know I wasediting, but I didn't like they
didn't know what I was doing.

(31:53):
They just thought I was beinglike lazy Um, which I w.
I really wasn't Like.
I was working really, reallyhard for the time I was there,
but just not for them, Right,and I can't remember where we
were going, but, yeah, so Icould see the end closing in and
I had, at that point, at themoment that I recognized that I

(32:16):
was like a month away from, Iknew I was a month away from
getting fired.
I realized I had already Ialready done so much work to the
boat, like much more work tothe boat than I had.
I'd gotten further than I hadanticipated and I just you know,
just a fleeting, like impulsivedecision I was I like posted a
video.
I was like I'm going to shootfor this upcoming May to cross

(32:39):
the ocean, and I knew I honestlydidn't think it was even
possible to get this amount ofwork done in the following four
or five months.
And as I was, as I made thatpost and I did so crazy crazy,

(33:04):
so ft foot uh dot silentunderscore.

J said on instagram the mouth of the
columbia is some of the mosttreacherous mouths in the world
it's yes, it's called thegraveyard of pacific.

It's like it is the most dangerous
uh river bar in the world haveyou been out?
No, I figured I just crossed itthe one time maybe give it a
test run, go out all the time.
It's not like that crazy it can.
It can be the most catastrophic, amazingly craziest dangerous

(33:34):
thing in the world, like justthe other day it was 32 foot
seas out on the col Bar Justright here.
Or it can be just incrediblyuneventful.

So you're going to time it right.
Yeah, exactly 32-foot seas Wow.

Yeah , it gets crazy on the bar, it
gets crazy here, just outside.
Here it gets crazy.

Well, I'll be really glad to see you not in
clothes that you're where you'recold.

Oh , I can't wait to see you free
and without you, I can't wait onmy boat in a t-shirt oh,
instead of just being becauseyou're hate, my hands get so
cold.
You're doing all the work andyou hit your hand on something
and it is the most painful thingin the world like, uh, yeah, so
excited, I'm never going to acold climate, ever again.

I don't blame you.
I'm not a cold water sailor, acold wind sailor or anything.

No , it's brutal.

Okay, so let's see Critical repairs upgrades
you made since we last talked.

Did we talk?

about all of them.
Oh no, I mean there's there'sso many.

I know there's like a lot of
little things but I wouldn'teven be able to critical the
windlass.
I went through that windlasssaga because we talked about it
last time, my whole windlasssituation, I freaking solved it
after going through, uh, theringer.
I uh finally solved it.
So, because what I had in therebefore was a smaller winless

(35:08):
and, uh, it was only, uh, it was50 feet of quarter inch chain
and uh, uh, it was 150 foot ofroad and it's just super light,
um, 150 feet and 50 feet ofchain.

It was 150 foot of road and it's just super
light 150 feet and 50 feet ofchain, that's pretty good 50
feet of quarter inch chain, soit's like for like a dinghy.

Oh , okay, so you changed that out.
Yeah, so now I've got 150 feetof five sixteenths high test and
an additional 150 feet of roadwhich I initially didn't think
was going to fit.
My plan was to leave that systemand then, further back, install
an additional manual windlassand drill a hole through the
deck that would go down to thebilge where I would deploy the

(35:55):
chain into the additional chainfor the separate system, into
the bilge.
And I was, you know, lookinginto it and thinking of it and
talking to other people um,apparently, chain stacks weird
and it could get caught on theedges of the stainless steel
tubing that I would have randown the middle of my boat.
Um, uh, so I ended up tryingand it worked.

(36:18):
I can't believe, because I hadthat divider in the.
I had this weird divider in myuh, um, sorry, I don't have to
get in super details about it,that's all right.
I didn't think any of it wasgoing to fit and I had to
replace the windlass and thehole for the new windlass.
I totally thought, because Igot the lumar v2, which is the
grade up from what I had, yeah,and I thought, bigger windlass,

(36:41):
bigger hole.
And it was the opposite.
It was a bigger windlass,smaller hole really.
And yeah, so I made thatrealization.
I was like, oh shit, because Idon't know how to.
I didn't know how to fiberglassor do any of that stuff.
And that was so far.
It still is far out of myelement, but I ended up.
It took me like 13 days, everysingle day working on it, 13

(37:04):
days to to do that job, to to 13days to fill the hole and
refiberglass it and and gel coatand all that stuff.
Yeah, it was brutal and I did.
I did it all well because theproblem was all that stuff, you
get the fiberglass wet and thegel coat wet, you're done, it's
over, and the epoxy and I didall of that and it was monsoon

(37:29):
winds and rain like chaos, like.
So I set up this like makeshift,like tarp over the area and so
I spent days inside this tarp onmy knees, just just like
huddled up, doing this repair,and uh, I literally ate, you
know, with toxic fumes flyingaround.
I was wearing a mask but I Iliterally got a headache that

(37:49):
lasted for like five days fromfrom being in there and uh, and
the wind ripping apart.
You know, I thought it wasgoing to rip apart the uh all
that tarp ripping apart.
You know, I thought it wasgoing to rip apart the uh all
that tarp and it was.

It's literally stuff nightmares are made out of
it's uh, how does it look, howdoes it look good and how does
it work.
Does it work okay?

yeah , it works great.
So I did.
I did.
I went to the store and got thethickest, most insane
fiberglass they had to put onthe bottom side.
So if you look at the bottom soyou can't see it, obviously
because it's underneath but it'sthis massive fiberglass, so
like that's not going anywhere.
And then on on the top side Ijust I grinded it down and like

(38:31):
feathered it all.
So I had this giant, like gianthole and then grinded down all
the fiberglass in my deck andthen I put like 13, 13 to 14
layers of fiberglass to even itout.
And then I did a uh, uh, what'sit called?
A um, um, a filler in in thereto even it out, sanded it, and

(38:54):
then I did a barrier coat andthen I gel coated it and it
looks really good, like the gelcoat is brand new.
So you can tell there's adifference in gel coat colors
between the old gel coat and thenew one, but I tried to design
it.
That's a real skill for both ofthose things the fiberglass and
that's amazing, and now I haveall this fiberglass and all of

(39:16):
the equipment on board in theevent I need to fiberglass
something when I'm offshore.

That'll probably come in handy.

Yeah .

And you could earn, or you could earn some
extra bucks doing it for someother people.

There's no, you can't pay me anything
to do that.
It's not worth it yeah.

Oh, let's see, we got RT on on congrats, let's
go Phoenix.
Okay, rt on Congrats, let's goPhoenix.
Okay, there's one of your fans.
Do you know them?

Yeah , I've seen his comments on my
YouTube.
Miscellaneous if maker OG.

And then Erica says it's amazing how you just
Figure things out.
You know, when I asked SailingSongbird, this is he said.
I said how did you learn Google?

I use ChatGPT.
Yeah, I can literally sendpictures of my problem.
Yeah, wiring or something.
I'll send pictures to ChatGPTand be like what?
Why is my starter not workingor what you know?

I have whole conversations like my new best
friend.

I do too yeah.
It's the reason It'll talk toyou like a person.

Yeah, it's the reason for this to be possible.
Yeah, that does change the game, doesn't it?

Oliver of Sailing wit (40:24):
Otherwise , you would need legitimately a
mentor in order to do this.

Okay, is he leaving Astoria due west or
sailing south?
First he said he was going tosail south.

Yeah , I'm not stopping, but I'm
going south.

Yeah, but yeah, I don't see I ever have to talk
to a computer support personever again.
Yeah, you know the boat.
I mean.
As long as you know what kindof equipment you have and you
tell it, it'll tell you the insand outs of that equipment,
It'll make recommendations fordifferent things you need to add

(41:05):
.
It's pretty cool.

It is.
It works out really well.

Okay, okay.
So is there anything that youmay not be able to fix or
upgrade that you would like to?
But you're going to?
I think you said you're goingto be.
Well, you got to work to payoff your credit cards.
Is there anything else thatyou're just going to wait to get

(41:31):
?

One thing which she might probably
not going to like it, but it ismy, so this is the one thing I
haven't done and so, like theway I look at it, is all of this
?
It's a balance of risk of money.

Yeah.

And of risk reward Chasing a dream.
You know what I mean.
Every all this stuff is gettingbalanced out and I've balanced
it all out to the best of myability, and the thing that I
have cut the corner on is thestanding rigging, but I had it
inspected by a boat builder.
Okay, and he's, because it wasthe.
It's been a freshwater boat inits entire life awesome.

(42:06):
Um, I had it inspected by a guywho's like a renowned, sailed
around the world a bunch oftimes and built he like lives on
a boat that he built and, um,he, uh, uh, I had him inspect it
because I couldn't afford arigger and he said and I've
learned a lot too, just from him, and then, just because it's

(42:27):
the thing that's on my mind, soI constantly inspect it as well.
So I think it, I would like toreplace it for sure, and I will
replace it before I go to FrenchPolynesia.

I think we talked about that.
I had recommended that you getit inspected, I think.
I think that was you.

Yeah .

How much is the inspection Cause?

that's what I do.
It's like 500 bucks orsomething.

Yeah, it's a good $500.
It's worth it.
Yeah, you had a buddy do it.

I trust worth it.
Yeah, I had a buddy do it.
I trust him over sure.
I just trust the person thatcame and looked at it.
So, um, and he also has no biasat all he's gonna just say it
like if it needs to be replaced,he's gonna tell me.
If it doesn't, then he's gonnasay you're fine now, what did he
say?
He said it looks good, it looksfine, you know, looks good.

But you're gonna replace it before you go
to french polynesia.

Yeah , because it is old, but it has
been replaced before Because henoticed the fittings.
They were different fittings.

Oh, yeah, yeah, some things have been replaced.
Yeah, so I don't know how tosay your name, miscellaneous
Ifmaker OG Rigging veryexpensive in Hawaii, get done
cheap in mexico.

That's kind of well.
I I, I don't know that it'sthat expensive in hawaii, if
I've had people.
I had one of my followersmessage me that he got his
rigging in hawaii for, uh, hehas a slightly smaller boat but
he got the rigging for I mean, Iwould do it all myself.
I wouldn't pay for somebody todo it, but it would be.
It's the only way to do it isdoing it yourself, for me at
least, being poor.

(44:06):
But uh, uh, he got his riggingfor like 1500 bucks I think mine
would probably be like I don'tknow, I've really looked into it
around 2000.
But um, yeah, I'll do that whenI'm, when I'm there.

No, you already looked into like you have to
order it from yeah, they ship it.

It's expensive.

Expensive part is getting it shipped to hawaii
is right expensive um, so youalready got a quote uh, just
from the guy that lives there.

He got hit.
He got his ship to him for15001,500.

That's not bad, that was including the shipping
.

Yeah , including the shipping.

So he's saying tariff ruined that.
But mine comes from Florida sohe's shipping it to Hawaii.
So that's still America.

Yeah .

Alright, so what else do you want to tell us
?

um , I don't know what else you
want to know um, I think we'vecovered just about everything.

Does anybody have any questions?
I'm excited for you.
I do want to follow you.
Still not made here.

I get you okay, I don't know you
could think of all the things ifI, if I, if I uh stopped at all
the.
You know, there's so many thingsthat I've already done that
have been so much out of my likeI don't know what I'm trying to
say but like, um, there I could, there's no point in looking
too far ahead into the things,otherwise I'll just discourage

(45:39):
myself.
So, like the standing rigging,is it going to be more expensive
in hawaii?
Yeah, is it not?
Is it going to be practical?
No, but I'm going to do it andI am going to figure it out.
So that's just where that's.
I get it handled in this entireprocess because it's the only
way.
Otherwise, otherwise, youoverthink everything and it, um,
it becomes too overwhelming,yeah, over, exactly.

(46:00):
So I, just, I, literally justas the problem is in front of me
.
That's when I, I handle the,the issue, and so erica says
it's been amazing watching you.
Oliver, just keep going maybe Iget to hawaii and in the price
of standing rigging it's tenthousand dollars to things gone
crazy, gone sideways.
Maybe I just rigged the boatwith dyneema, you know, I've

(46:22):
seen people do that a lot ofpeople do that, so I don't know.

Uh, admin logistics, let's go phoenix.
Love the videos, cannot waitfor the crossing.
A lot of people behind you Iknow you got like 36 000
followers on instagram yeah, Ithink so now that's impressive
amazing it's been.

The support has been unreal.

It's been unreal like it's been so cool to
have I know you have a go fundme, or what do you?

have .
Yeah, I don't ever likeadvertise it well, we're gonna
do it right now all right, let'ssee what.

What is it?

it Um no, this is what you got to
do?

Uh, so if you go to, okay, we'll just uh,
let's see We'll put this up.
All right, If you go to, let metake that banner down.
A comment oh, okay, I'mshopping for a solo sailor doing

(47:24):
research for six months lookingout of San Diego area.
I have good prices.
Now we need a big send-off fromAstoria.

Oh , yeah, I was actually going to
do a post.
I don't have anything to posttoday.
I didn't post anything onsocial media, but I'll do that
later today, I think.
But yeah, I think I'll do.
A lot of people have asked todo that, so I think-.

Like a meet and greet and a fundraiser or
something.

No , just a send off Like a oh yeah
, yeah, say bye here.
I just so.
Yeah, I think I'll make a vid.
So I've decided.
I think on the 27th, which is aSunday, anyone can come and say
you know, see you later.

Okay, yeah, I guess if you try to plan
something too big, that'll justbe kind of stressful because
you've got to do all these otherthings I'm not going to do
anything.

Just to be clear to everybody, it's
going to be me, a boat and adock.

I have no idea, but I'm not clear to everybody.

It's going to be me, a boat and a
dock, I can just come up and sayI have no idea, but I'm not
getting food or anything, right?

right, right, they can bring you something.
They can bring you something.
Yeah, you can bring me food.
I wish I lived closer.
I'll be there in spirit.
I appreciate you.
He said film the bar crossingwhich I'm sure you will.

I I don't know if I'm gonna film.
It depends how it's really hardto film on a river, like it's
really hard um you just have tomount your phone like right on.
Yeah, I would have to do a mountand just do it like that, which
, which I mean the whole process.
So the what's really cool mybrother is a uh like a uh an

(49:06):
amazing like a filmmaker and hemakes films and uh, specializes
in like documentaries and stuffand, um, he's super talented and
he definitely gives me some.
He's given me some likepointers on like making my
videos and stuff.
He lives in the uk but heagreed for this.
The whole thing is going to beyoutube style, documented, you

(49:29):
know, horizontal for the passageto hawaii, and uh, I'm going to
just record everything and he'sgoing to put it all together oh
, I was going to say that's youknow what I mean.
Like they're not very good umwell, that's great.

You can just send them to him during the trip
and have a nice.

I don't know if I'll do it during
the trip, but when I get therefor sure.
But everything I'll have on mycomputer here and it'll be all
organized by day and then I'll,once I get there, I'll transfer
it all to him and he'll edit itall and he's going to put it all
together, that's fabulous.

Yeah, I'll have a uh, a guy who is really good
at making documentaries,basically make my, make the the
passage, so that's cool so, um,listen, if you guys want to
support oliver, you can go tohis instagram sailing underscore
with underscore phoenix and umyou can check out his go fund me

(50:23):
and it's a good cause, so he'snot going to ask for it, so I'm
going to do it for him.
Bring, send your money.

You don't have to, you could just.
You could just follow me and uh, uh, it's be along for the
journey.
You know, I don't know.

So if, um, if you want to track them, he is
going to try to work somethingout, maybe.
What if they?
I don't know if it'd be toomany people DM and you cause you
could send it.
You could send it out.

Yeah , it's my DMs out of control
right now I have to like notopen it, Cause it's too.
It gives me to it because I tryand respond to everybody you
respond to me.

Yeah, I also text you.

Yeah , and you're in my primary.
I've got like a primary chatand like a general chat, okay,
it gets separated on Instagramafter you hit a certain amount
of followers and you're in likemy primary chat.
Thank you, but so I mean it'sjust been difficult to, because
I try and message everybody back.

Yeah.

But as I've gotten more and more
followers, it's become more andmore like crazy.

You need a little help.
Somebody else looking at it,yeah.

No , I don't want to do that.
I'd rather not respond thanhave somebody else messaging for
me.

Well, I don't know how to say it.
Emissive Maker OG says youshould get an ID tracker so
subscribers can follow.
So just remember that name andmaybe you can send him.
He wants to follow and I'mgoing to be posting too.
He's going to give me thetracker so I can maybe give some
updates too on my channel.

Yeah .

So anybody else got any questions, bring them
on.
He's leaving in two weeks.

Yeah , too old, depending on the
weather, but I'll be ready intwo weeks.

He said 100 miles out.
Curious how far south beforedue west.
Oh, okay, he's asking about how?
Yeah, that's what I was asking.
You're just like until thebutter melts.

Yeah , I don't know.
Yeah, until I mean, I don'tknow exactly, I can't tell you
the miles and stuff, but I'vebeen looking at predict, waiting
every day, and there is a pointwhere it kind of starts to.
It just starts to.
You know, you just follow it toHawaii.

So if he knows the what's this, Follow James
and a few others across.
When he figures out where thetrade winds are favorable to
take him to Hawaii, that's whenhe's going to cross.
So if anybody out there knowsexactly where that is, you've
been looking on.

Yeah , I check it every day.
I update it.
Right now, May 1st is notlooking good.
What's it?
Look like it's just headwindall the way to, basically,
california.

So it's a south wind.

Yeah .
It's coming up and you'd justbe going right into the wind,
yeah, and which I don't want todo.
Um, just really like I wouldn'tmind too much myself, I think,
as far as the the comfort factor, but like it, it's hard on the
boat and it'd be really hard onmy cat if we're just pounding
into the waves constantly rightyeah and uh.

(53:38):
I just don't want to put herthrough that.
If I, I don't want to put theboat through it too for the
first.
You know this first passage atleast as well.
And this point this boatdoesn't point in into wind very
well.
It does now with the new sails,but it does much better.

But yeah, so he says usually if we're a hundred
miles past USA.
So I think he's thinking willcross when they get down to
mexico.
But um, you had said your planwas to is you'll be crossing
when you're off the coast ofcalifornia yeah okay, all right.
Well, this is very exciting.

(54:13):
Don't forget to send me thatlink.
I sure I will.
I want to follow you and we'regoing to do another interview
when you get to the other sideyeah, cool that's.

That's fine, it's fine with me.

So everybody, come off the box, peel off the
bread for Oliver and go to atSailing with Phoenix on
Instagram and see if you canmake a donation.
I'm going to make one myself.

No , you don't have to do that.
Yes, I want to.

It's the least.

I can do, I'll take it down.
Yeah, you're not going to turnit down.

That's what I'll do.
We have a lot of people onInstagram watching.
Someone says FTsilent,underscore J says what you're
doing is so cool, so inspiring.
I love following you on yourjourney.
Can't wait to see you be inHawaii Me, too.
Safe travels you and Phoenix socool, how much you love your
journey.
Can't wait to see you be inHawaii Me, too.
Safe travels you and Phoenix socool.
How much you love your cat too.

(55:06):
A man that can love a cat is agood man.

I'm just here to tell you, I was
hoping she was going to come siton my lap right now.

Yeah, I've had somebody that's asked to see the
cat.
Is that possible?

Yeah , I think so.
I don't know.
She's on her own terms.
I can go to the rest.
She's a cat, that's why, Don'tjudge the boat, don't judge the
mess in the boat.

Oh, the boat's beautiful.
What are you talking about?
Let's see where that kitty is.

I have to lure her out with cheat
treats.

Oh, yeah, come here.
Come, here Come here the 100miles out.
Sailing south tougher thangoing west.
It's rarely sailed oncirculation journeys and I can't

(56:04):
speak to that.
This is what Misfmaker.

OG Mischiefmaker.

Is it Mischiefmaker?

Thank you, he's been around.
He comments on all of myYouTube videos.

He's an OG.

He's been around since the very
first one there's been around.
He comments on all of myYouTube videos.
He's an OG.

He's been around since the very first one.
There's the kitty.
Okay let's see the kitty.
This is Phoenix.
Everybody, Ladies and gentlemen, Phoenix.

This is Phoenix.
This is the star of the show,right here.

Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, hey kitty.

Yeah , she's awesome.
So, yeah, the boat's names.
A lot of people get get itconfused but the boat, so my
boat's name is Phoenix, so is mycat's right.
I named the boat after my cat.

What are they confused about?

I don't know, they don't know
what my, if my, what my cat'sname is.

Okay, well, it's sailing with Phoenix, yeah.
I mean I could guess.
Yeah, so I'm not sure what thisis.
Washington to California.
Some.
I'm not sure what that says.
You see it, mischief maker,some, I don't know.
Some of the roughest waters.

(57:20):
Maybe Washington to California,some of the roughest waters.

I think I know.
I'll let you know.

I'll let you know for sure there's that kitty
tuna fish 50 miles out onPacific.
It's nasty, okay, so no eatingtuna it's nasty.
No, you don't know, oh, youasked me.
So no eating tuna it's nasty.
No, you don't know, oh youasked me yeah what did he this?

(57:49):
Is your.

I don't know.

He's full of knowledge.
Today he's throwing it out.

Yeah , he's full of knowledge on my
YouTube too.
He's also throwing it out there, yeah.

All right.
Well, I guess that's it.
We've been on an hour.
I appreciate it.

And .

I'm going to be following and I do want that
link Please don't forget aboutme.

If you remind me, I'll send it.
For sure I will.

I won't let you forget, and we're looking at
May 1st.
You're going to be ready forMay 1st, but you'll judge it by
the weather.

Yeah , You'll be getting lots of
opinions on that.
Yeah, I'm just going for it andusing my best judgment on
things and I will find out howthings go when I do it.

He said why not much info sail great pacific
northwest?
Uh, not much info on the.
I'm not sure what he was sayingthere.
He's typing fast.
Um, okay, all right, oliver,you're doing great.
Everybody's proud of you thankyou, it's amazing.
You're an inspiration.
You go from sailing knowledgefrom zero to 900 and it's still,

(59:06):
it's, still, it's.

It's not zero anymore, but it's
about two zero to 60.

No, I can't believe you tackled um gel coat.

Yeah , that was the the one of the
most hardest jobs I've done,like you don't want to get into
the hardest thing I've ever done, not only because the work, but
like just the environment.
I was in sucked and, but so Iwas proud of that one for sure,
and it's a good, so you, wouldyou do another repair if you had
to?

or?

it was my yeah and I had to do it
for sure.
I wouldn't ever want to do thatagain.
It's so terrible, Vic, becauseyou can actually see my anchor
locker right there.
Yeah, right, I see it.
It's a tiny hole and it's justa fiberglass divider.
So I was in there for hourswith my arms in there on my back

(01:00:02):
with the, with the fiberglass Iknow what you're talking about,
that fiberglass divider.
Yeah, your back was on that yeah, my back was on it because the
only way, and then I was upabove sanding the fiberglass
above me and I was in there forhours doing that and uh it's, uh
, the whole job was really hard.

Captain Tinsley (01:00:21):
All right, I'm something sale by November
sailing next season.
Prepare for rain.
Good luck, Thanks, man.
All right, okay, this is how weend this.
I'm going to say goodbye, thankyou, and salty abandoned out.

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