Salty Podcast #75 ⛵SV Delos LIVE on the Salty Podcast!

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Capn Tinsley (00:04):
Tonight on the Salty Podcast, we're hanging out
with one of the coolest crewsin sailing sailing Delos.
For 14 years they've racked uptens of thousands of miles
crossed oceans most of us onlydream about, built a massive
global community and even raiseda salty little deckhand along
the way.
Now they're leveling up withdelos 2.0, a diesel electric

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catamaran built to show what thefuture of cruising really could
look like.
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I'm your host, captain tinsley,of sailing vessels, salty,
abandoned, and I'll unpack it.
320 and this is the saltypodcast, episode 75.

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Please help me.
Welcome the crew of sailingDelos, good evening, good
morning so I am in Gulf Shores,Alabama, and you are in Brisbane
, Australia.

Brian of SV Delos (01:06):
Yeah, it's called.
They just say Brisbane.

Brisbane okay.

Yeah, we're literally in a little shipping
container in the back of theshop, just kind of located
inside the swamp in a placecalled Thornlands, which is,
yeah, we're about 45 minutessoutheast of Brisbane.

Okay, it's kind of like mainsail brisbane, okay,
yeah, okay, all right.
So, um, your story iseverywhere.
You've got a great website, thetravel blog on there.
You've been keeping greatrecords all these years, these
14 years.
So we're just gonna, but we'reall going to touch on a few of

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your, your points, your, yourhighlights of your background,
for just in case somebody heredoesn't know who you are, so the
unlikely, uh, chance that ofthat so, um, just tell us.
We're just, we're going tospend about five, ten minutes on
this.
How did did this start?
You were by yourself first,right?

Yeah, well, I was living.
I was originally.
I was an electrical engineerand I got hired at a university.
I went to the University ofWashington up in Seattle and
instead of I got a couple of joboffers back when I graduated
and one of them was to go workfor a big software company,
microsoft, and so I actuallywent into that world for a
couple of years and then, Iguess in my early 30s, I sort of

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had one of those freak outmoments where I was like is this
going to be my life for thenext 30, whatever years of my
career?
Am I just going to be sittingin front of the computer
answering emails, trying toclimb the corporate ladder?
I distinctly remember going.
We used to have theseone-on-one manager meetings

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where you visit your manager andthen they'd let you know how
you're doing and all that Iremember.
I sat down in his office verynice office and he closed the
door and there's an, an orgchart of microsoft and it starts
out at bill gates at the top atthat time and there was
literally like hundreds oflittle nodes going down.

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He's like you know what, brian,my goal is to somewhere be on
this paper chart.
And I was like, oh, man, thatwas his goal that was intended
intended to motivate me to be abetter program manager in the
Windows group.
I'm like you missed the mark,buddy, and so I ended up leaving
.
I started my own company like aconsulting company with a

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couple of friends and then Ijust became very disenfranchised
, I guess, with the whole pathof what you're expected to be as
an American, and to me it wasalways.
Like you know, you go to school, you get a job, you buy a house
, you get a mortgage, you get acar and then you just work, and
there's never this concept oftraveling or a gap year or an

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overseas experience.
Like you know, a lot of othercountries have where you go
sometime between you know whereyou other.
A lot of other countries havewhere you you go sometime
between you know where yougraduate school and university.
You go and you're back aroundand I wanted that and, even
though I was in my 30s, Idecided I'm going to do that,
and I love sailing and I lovethe concept traveling and

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bringing your boat with you, andso what I ended up?
doing is I just sold everythingthat I owned house, car,
everything.
I told my partners at work I'mlike, hey guys, look, I'm taking
off, I'm going to go sailing.
They're like we know, brian,like it's all you talk about, go
do it.
I said I'm taking 18 months offand that's how much money I had

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saved up is enough to live for18 months.
And I'm going to like.
I was thinking you were gonnasay that you were still working
while you were sailing.
No, I did it.
I just, you know, I stashedaway the cash and I bought a
sailboat.
I just had just enough.
It was way more expensive of asailboat than I should have
actually bought.
Looking back on it, um, I put adown payment on.

Karin of SV Delos (05:02):
I took a mortgage.

I was like ah , I'll just a rebuttal when I
come back to work.
You know, no problem, you canalways make more money, right?
And I literally just made aleft turn, out of the straight
to Juan de Fuca and headed downto Mexico and made it to New.

Zealand.

And then I was like you know.
I'm never going to, I'm nevergoing to.
I'm never going back.
That's it.
I'm never going back, and so Itold my partners I'm like sorry
guys, like you guys can run thebusiness I you know, do whatever
you like and do you still ownin that business or are you
still no?

we?

ended up.
They, you know it was.
It was pretty small by thatpoint after I left and we just
ended up shutting it down.

Well, here's where you came out, seattle, and I
was wondering if you came downhere first.
It looks like.

Panama, somewhere Down the coast, down
to Mexico, across the Pacific,in 2010.
Made it to New Zealand by Ithink it was Halloween, almost
Christmas, just in time to getout of the cyclone season.

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And then, yeah, figured out,well, you know what next?
What's the next step?
And it was basically just dowhatever I could do to keep
sailing.
I worked as like a day engineeron super yachts in Auckland,
like fixing problems like 170,200 bucks a day.
Whatever I did to scrape by mybrother was rolling burritos.
You know, my brother Brady wassailing with me.
He was working at a Mexicanrestaurant.
Uh, we met a couple of otherguys and we're like well, let's

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just put this boat together andthen let's sail um up to Fiji.
I would say that crew.

That crew that you had is pretty infamous.
Everybody used to talk aboutthat it was kind of a road.
I think you said on yourwebsite you've had like 50?
.

It's been almost.
I think it's been just over 70people now.
That's amazing, during thattime I met Kaz.
She was back.
She's actually from Sweden, butshe was backpacking in New
Zealand and I'm like, hey, howdo you like to come sailing for
the weekend?
And so we took her and a coupleof her girlfriends out on the
boat to a winery like anelectronic music festival in New

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Zealand and just kind of likewe just decided to keep going.

When you saw her, did you have longer intentions
than just the weekend?

Oh, I was in just such a party mode.
I was just like taking it oneday to the next.
To be honest with you, Okay.

I didn't know if you saw her.
And go, that's my wife.
Well, no, no, I was like damn.

Like you know what are you doing.
I'm like let's.

But I knew she lived in Australia.
She was going to school in.

Australia and stuff.
So the prospects were prettyslim, but it's like hey, you
know if you like sailing, we'resailing to Fiji.
Why don't you fly there?
When you get a break, meet usin Fiji, and yeah, we'll just
take it from there.

We do have a.
We can talk about storms.
So there's a question hereStorm, tell me about the storms
you got.
Before you do that, tell meabout the guy that you were when
you left out of Seattle.

Oh, I don't know, you were in your 30s, a
little bit pudgy, a little bitoverweight, probably drinking
too much.
You know, like go home and havea couple of drinks to take the
edge off the day and that turnsinto more, and then, um, you
know, just I remember myfavorite part of the day was my

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bus ride to and from work,because I could just stare out
the window and I had time tomyself to, like, listen to music
and do what I enjoyed, insteadof, you know, having 15 minutes
to make it to the next meeting.

And then yeah , oh, that's a funny image.

That's after yeah, that's after two years of
sailing, I guess.

Well, and you've got this before and after
picture, I guess, of you andyour brother.

You guys did really slim down.
Yeah, we were so broke.
We were just basically eatingfish and rice and that was
pretty much it.
We couldn't even afford to putdiesel fuel in the boat, so we
were just living day by day.
This is a big change here Brian.

Yeah, that's all right.
I think that's good.

Wow, so, oh my gosh.
So how old were you when youleft?
You was 31?
.

Oh, I must have been 33, something 34,
something like that.

And is this Brady right here?

Yeah, he would have been 23, 24.

He's quite a bit younger.

Yeah.

Okay, that is.
I love these.
If you want to know detailsabout their story, what if you
and you don't already know it?
Go to their um, their theirwebsite.
It's great, um, okay, so sokaren or kaz, right, yeah, kazza
, or kaz in swedish is kavi,because it's a swedish name.

Is it casa?
Or cat, in swedish it's kavi,because it's a swedish name.
Okay, yeah, she just like saysuh, just call me karen, because
people in english can see thateasier.
And then in australia you tendto just like shorten everything
that has us, so like darrenwould be, uh, you know, barry
would be bazaar, karen would becasa, and so I don't know, we
know, I just kind of stuckcalling her that and then other
people started too, so I thoughtit was funny.

I know they're into shortening words there in
Australia.

Yeah, I mean.

Recky and all this .

Recky, smoko is your break, arbo is afternoon
, servo is the gas station.
It's hot.
You can't really put that mucheffort into talking.
Alright, let's see.
So, okay, so storms.

Tell me about storms you've encountered.
You know, it's just, it's hot.
You can't really put that mucheffort into talking.

All right, let's see.
So, okay.
So storms, tell me about storms.
You've trying to make it to LaReunion, which is a French
island, and I mean we werepretty well prepared because
we'd hit some big weather comingacross the Indian Ocean before,
and the Indian Ocean is verywindy.
It's typically, I'd say, abrisk, 30 knots, which means

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when you get a low comingthrough or even a squall, you
can easily get 45, 50 knots, andwe saw it coming.
We headed south for two days.
We got down to about 42 south toget, because these lows they
come across the bottom of SouthAfrica and you don't want to be
in the center, because when thegrid says gray and it basically

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says unforecastable, that's nota good sign so it's a big blow,
and they can routinely blow 60,70 knots on that coast.
So we went south and we sawmaybe 50, 55 knots for a couple
of days.
Um, but we were able to set theboat up really well because it
had happened to us before andyou know waves crashing over the

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cockpit, boat heeling over 40,45 degrees, getting knocked on
its side, sails going in thewater occasionally.
But you know we didn't have achild on board, so it was.
You just got to hold on andeventually it'll pass.
I always think that the boat ifyou just let the boat take care
of you, she will.
It's the crew you got to worryabout.

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The boat will be fine.
You just got to take care ofyourself.

How many people were on board?

Was it four people?
We were six, okay, but myselfand Brady we had to take 20
minutes turns hand steeringthrough the night because the
autopilot, just you know it,wouldn't handle those conditions
.
On the point of sail we weretrying to do, and it's too
exhausting to try and sail formore than 20, 30 minutes in

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those conditions.

Right, I think.
Yeah.

So, you're just sleeping on the helm,
sleeping on the helm, and wejust set up the boat.
Since she's a catch, she runspretty good under the old jib
and jigger arrangement, so wejust put like on our third reef
on the jib and then no main andjust a tiny little scrap of
mizzen to balance her out, andyou just go real slow.
We just try to keep our speedunder five knots so we don't

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launch off waves and the boatkind of stabilizes and just goes
.
It's pretty nice, it wasn't it?

wasn't terrible, so he likes that quote.
Let the boat take care of you.

Yeah.
And also just the noise and theenergy in the, in the air.
It's like I don't know ifyou've ever been in a hurricane
in a house, but I think I feellike it's so I've been on a boat
, in a hurricane, in a house,but I think I feel like it's so
I've been on a boat in ahurricane, yeah, well then you
know just the power of the windand the rigging and the
vibration, and the energy allaround.
So loud, so much power and yeah,talk about powerlessness,

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feeling powerless, yeah I mean,I guess we sort of do put
ourselves there so we havenobody to blame but ourselves.

No, it was definitely.

We live here in Brisbane and we, where we
live and I'm sorry, a cycloneand we live in a brick house and
I was.
I slept right through the wholething.
I was like, really, that's whatit's like and I mean it's a
brick house, but you know, itwas like a totally different
experience.

It's much different on land, because I do
live in a high hurricane area.
Um, it was definitely different.
So sv island spirits is delos,one amel.
Is that how you say?
How do you say the name of the?
I mean the kind of boat to try.

Every time I try and pronounce something
that's French, I always getcorrected, so I'm just going to
say ML.
That's how.

I say it Okay, it's a dream yacht.
Do you think you will miss her?
Daelus II is epic yeah thankyou.

Yeah, I mean I already do.
It's a great boat.
We've sailed literally sailedthe shit out of that boat.
I don't know if we can say that, but we have.
I mean we've sailed hereverywhere all around the world
and she's always taking goodcare of us.
She's a very kind, sea kindboat.
Um, you know very good robustsystems, like good sail plan, uh

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.
But then again, I think, afteryou know I've sailed her around
for about 15 years now.
Yeah, so you still think, likeyou know, it could be nice to
try something different, likemaybe it'd be nice to have a
little bit more being, a littlebit more space, like one of the
things I've really grown to hateis rolling.
You know you get, you go off ofa rolly passes and then you get

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into an anchorage in someplaces the boat's doing this and
this.
I'm like I just want to sitdown and relax.
I'm like you're right, sit downand relax.
I'm like you're still doinglike stuff and I'm like, ah,
that's something I really won'tmiss is those big, you know rail
to rail rolls that we cansometimes get into.

That does sound tempting.
No rolling so from Instagram.
There's a comment.
I just copy and pasted it.
Mark PH.
So many people say the reasonthey are doing this is because
of Delos.
One nerd to another, amazing.
So there you go.
I'm sure you hear that all thetime.

That makes it worth it.
That's cool.

I love hearing that at what point did you two
realize you were going to be acouple?

oh Kaz.
When was that?
Come on over here, kaz.
Just walked in.
What point did you two realizeyou were going to be a couple?

Oh Kaz when was that?

Come on over here.
Kaz just walked in.
At what point did we?

realize we were going to be a couple, I
don't know, I pretty much knewstraight away I didn't know.
I don't know, is it when?

you went back to school in Melbourne and I
was sailing off to Fiji andyou're like I'm not going to
hook up with anybody else.

You do what you want.
I mean, I kind of like I feltlike I was really ready to like
meet somebody serious.
And you know, I really feltlike me and brian had a
connection and, um, yeah, I wasreally, I was ready to like see
if, if he would make it.

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You know, yes, we did that is.

That is so cool, um, that you knew, but but you
didn't.

That is so cool that you knew, but you
didn't.
I had just gotten out of aprevious relationship with me
and Cassius Menn.
I was like, well, I got to takesome time, I got to make sure
that I'm doing this for theright reasons and stuff.
And then once I decided.
After a couple months I waslike, oh, this girl's amazing.

I got to go all in or not at all so then I decided
to go all in.
And then here we are, someonecould snatch her up?
Yeah, all right, so this isMilestone Adventures.
I got little sections here,stuff.
To ask you, the Indian OceanRun is legendary, you were just

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talking about that.
What, excuse me?
The Indian Ocean Run islegendary, you were just talking
about that.
What stands out most fromplaces like Chagos is that how
you say it?
Yeah, madagascar and Bassas.
Did you go to India?

Well, it's called Basasta, india, in the
Mozambique Channel.
There's not even really anyland there, it's just an atoll
between Madagascar andMozambique.

We did go to.

India, but that was like the other side of
the ocean.
So we went to the AndamanIslands, but what stood out to
you about Chagos?

I mean the Indian Ocean in general.
I think was just like the windyand the remoteness of it was
just kind of like yeah, it wasjust raw in a different way and
you just don't have that muchpeople, and I mean Chagos for us
.
We were the only boat there forthe whole time we were there

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and we didn't see any otherpeople as well except that ship.

That was only for one day we got hailed by
the US Navy one day.
That was very exciting becausewe were approaching the Diego
Garcia military base.

I think you're muted a military base?
Oh, I think you're muted.
Yeah, is it in the?
I don't know my geography ofthe Indian Ocean?
That well Is this place.
It's in the North Indian Ocean,near India.

Well, it goes like India, and then there's
the Maldives, or Maldivesdepending on how you pronounce
it and then about 1,200 milessouth, so I think I can't
remember.
It is technically in thesouthern hemisphere, isn't it?

Okay, so you weren't.
You know, what I'm getting tois the pirate area.
You weren't near that.

Oh no no, I mean that would be that's
northeast of the Seychelles.
Yeah, and so no we were prettyfar away from all that.
I mean, there's nobody outthere.

I mean, it's like it basically goes.

Australia, and then there's Cocos Keeling,
which is part of Australia, andthen the next thing you can hit
is if you go a little bit north,as Chagos or uh Rodriguez or La
Reunion, which are two tinyislands like southeast of
Madagascar, and that's it.
It's just a big stretch ofgnarly ocean, yeah.

I've interviewed quite a few people that have
done this, and how far down didyou go in the southern ocean?

Maybe like three or four days Not very long
, just enough to get around theCape of Good Hope, cause you
gotta kind of go south to getinto some westerlies to bring
you across.
So I think we got down to like42 south, maybe something like
that, and what was it like?
Windy cold.

I mean when we sailed back, like when we
sailed around again like we, itwas really windy, yeah.
That was when we sailed farsouth too, because we had this
just it was just a ball of grayjust coming for us On the grid,
yeah, yeah, and like you don'twant to see gray, it's like not
good, right, yeah, yeahliterally, it just says

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unforecastable, which sucks.
I mean we still.
We sailed for how many like oneor two?

days just dead south to get away from it,
and then like another seven days, kind of east yeah, I mean, we
still had 50 knots.

You know, like we didn't, we didn't our
wind instrument just topped outat 50, so it was like, yeah, so
we didn't know, we just had B&Ganalog gauges and it just stops
at 50.

And you're like, but what now?
We didn't really know, like oh,it's just winter, so it's just
not real relaxing in thoseconditions, is it?
Yeah, no, I don't think so.
I know people have thesestories about like the parties
baking bread and like hangingout.

I'm like I don't know, I think it's kind of not
great.
You probably weren't baconbread during that.

We were more hardcore than us.
But I think honestly, like if Ihad the choice of being there
or not, I would probably chooseto not be there.

Right, right.
I think that that would be theway I feel.
I don't plan on ever going tothe Southern Ocean, but you
never know.
So when you hit the Caribbean,tell me about that.
That's when your channel reallystarted taking off, didn't it?

it.
Uh, yeah, I think we starteddoing quite well there.
I mean the Caribbean's.
A lot of fun you can do likethe whole concept of hopping
from island to island in like anafternoon.
It's great.
You sail 20, 30 miles, you'rein a new country, no overnight
passage, you can, you know, dowhatever.

It's pretty chill, did you ever think oh, we
should just stay here you everthink oh we should just stay
here, we've never thought that,yeah, always look for that place
.

You know, like still looking.
Yeah, I think we've alwayslooked for that place.

We were like, oh, this is where we're going
to stay for like a couple ofyears or something like that it
could be amazing, but it didseem like the well-traveled path
, yeah, and you kind of loselike that specialness of where
you go into a port and you know,if it's easy to check in with
customs and immigration, thatit's sort of a well-traveled
port, if it's really difficult.

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That means they don't get a lotof people there, and then you're
probably going to have a veryinteresting experience, like
it's going to be a little bitmore rough, a little bit more, I
don't know like when we checkedinto Andaman Islands in India.
It literally took like threedays, but we have a fantastic
experience that we would neverhave any place that's used to

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seeing tourists or sailors orvoters there.
I mean, we almost got.
We got pulled into the policestation for our friend taking us
to his house for dinner becausesomebody in the town saw that
he was driving some foreignersaround and they didn't know why
we were there.
And you know, they didn't knowif he was going to try and get
us to, like, stay at his housebecause that's illegal.

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Apparently we have to stay in ahotel and I mean there's just
all these weird things like ohwell, that was a really
interesting experience.
Like you wouldn't get thatpulling into like the bahamas or
anything like that, right, it'sjust this is the right, yeah,
why would that be I don't know,sap phones are also illegal, so

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we also got.
We also got in trouble for uhhim, our friend, delivering
butter chicken to our boat.
Like they pulled us off theboat.
We had to go in and sign adocument that said that we were
not smuggling bombs out of thecountry.
I was like why would we like?
First of all, why would we takea bomb sailing?
We're sailing to Australia,like it doesn't make any sense.

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Like shouldn't you be worriedabout us bringing explosives
into the country, not rightbefore we check out?
Yeah, it's not good into thecountry not right before we
check out Sailboat is not whatyou would run off with a bomb.
It's the butter chicken.
Anyway, when you're arriving inAustralia, put the date and the
time.
I'm like bro, it's like a17-day sail.

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I don't know what time or evenwhat day.
What do you mean?
You don't know when you'regoing to get there.
We're not a cargo ship, justweird little things like that
keeps it interesting, you know.

Okay, let's see Switching from the tropics to 80
degrees north.
Now I've interviewed peoplethat love ice and snow and
glaciers and foul board I hopeI'm saying that right and then
on all the way down to uh the,the tip of uh south america,

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where it's where you can, whereyou get the ice and snow down
there yeah, like here at elfuego and stuff and yeah, oh, I
love it.
They just love those conditions,so they'll go all the way.
They're from norway, I believe,and they went all the way to
spellboard, and then they go allthe way back down to the tip of
south america, and that's justwhat they love what did?

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You.
What did you think of it?

I mean, it's like an alien landscape, it's.
It's so different than tropicalsailing.
I think we love tropicalsailing, but after you know a
few months of hopping from beachto beach, you're like, oh, I
mean, it's another, it's lovelywater we like to go swimming but
then it doesn't really.
It's still beautiful, but itdoesn't give you that extreme
kind of shock Like oh my God,like we're someplace, really,

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really super cool.
And so that's how we felt whenwe went up to Svalbard.
It's, you know, it's a veryinhospitable landscape.
The water is like one degreeCelsius, so you know you have to
carry a rifle when you go toshore.
By law, bears right For polarbears and I mean a lot of the

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decisions that we've made aroundthe design of Delos 2.0 are
things that we learned from thattrip and from trips when we
took Delos, like up to Maine andstuff like that.

Yeah, but I'd love to go back.

Well, and you were, were you on like a
research ship?
No it was like a Swan.
48.
Okay.

I was thinking it was like because I interviewed
some people that work on those.
They do research and everythingIn between sailing.
That's how they earn theirsailing money.

It's a little 48-foot sailboat with seven
people on board, all crammedinto a tiny space.
Yeah.

Wow, okay.
So so you guys, it was in 2000,whatever, when you got married.
What was that?
2011?
Where's that 2011.
?

Oh geez, I should know this.

Oh, oh, sorry about that.
Let's see um 2019, 2019 and youhad baby sierra, yeah, so not
here yeah I would, I will.
While you're talking, I'll lookfor a picture, because she is
just absolutely adorable.

She's such a little worldly traveler I mean
Sierra's already sailed, likewhat is it?
15,000 miles.
I think she's been to like 13countries by sailboat.

And she's been on the boat since she was four
months old.

Yeah, yeah, we left Dalos in Florida and
then we flew to Sweden becausehaving a baby in the US was just
looking really, really bad formoney and the care that you get
in Sweden since Kaz is a Swedishcitizen is just top-notch.

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So we decided to go there andthen, when she was four months
old, we flew back and went Delosand then we went sailing again.

I'm going to pull up a picture of her.
Okay, this is too adorable.
Oh there she is.

She's got such a little.
That's her birthday.
Yeah, she's just got such alittle personality.
So she's six years old.
Yep, she just turned six.
Very outgoing.
She will go up and just, Ithink part of this is being a
cruiser kid, you know.
Whenever she sees other kids onon sailboats or adults or

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whoever, she's like I'm gonna gotalk to those people, daddy.
I'm like, well, you go aheadlike you go engage with them.
And she's she's continued thateven though we're kind of living
in civilization now, she stillgoes up and talks to people in
the mall or the supermarket orat the park.
She's like I'm gonna go playwith your kids.
I was like okay, so how is she?

she must love it.

Yeah, she does.
I mean, she loves, she lovesswimming.
She became addicted tosnorkeling.
She just started one day.
We decided to see if she wouldyou know, breathe through the
snorkel.
I was like, oh, let me show youhow to put it on.
I'll teach you how to do it.
We'll take it real slow.
She put it on and she justimmediately went under, started
breathing, started diving to thebottom.

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I was like, wow, she reallyloves this.
So that was pretty cool.

I've interviewed boat kids.
You know that actually grew upon boats and now they're adults
and it just sounds like a greatlife to raise kids.

I think so.
We'll see.

We'll see how she feels about it she wants to go
when she's in her 20s or 30s orwhatever.
Well, these kids were on theboat till they were 18 or 19.
Now they're selling boats.

Yeah, okay, cool.

And they can help people.
For families that are planningon doing this, they have a lot
of great advice.

Yeah, yeah, she loves learning.
We're doing homeschool here inAustralia for her.
Because of the visa we have,she's only allowed to be in the
public school system for threemonths out of every calendar
year, out of every 12 months, soright now we're homeschooling

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her, which is an enormous amountof work and time.

Yeah, is it online in time?

but yeah, is it online?
Yeah, we have a curriculum, anonline curriculum, but it's
still it's.
I mean hats off to all theteachers out there.
It's just such a I mean it's,it's, it's got to be your
passion and your love and yourjoy, and it's so challenging.

Yeah, well, so do you think that?
Um, do you think that was part?

of your decision to get this type of
boat, the aluminum boat, becauseof your family.
Uh, I mean, I've always likedaluminum boats.
Every, every alley boat thatI've seen out there.
I've thought it's just verycool, very different.
I mean there's just differentdesign considerations that you
make, um, make that you wouldn'tmake for like a GRP or a
fiberglass boat.
You know, it's just a fullyinsulated boat.
It'll have a proper, you know,heating system.

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It'll also be better forkeeping cool.
Aluminum tends to distort andbend rather than shatter or
break like a glass boat would,and so you can take them a few
more places that you wouldn'tnormally be comfortable taking,
like where Up north, higherlatitudes, anywhere around ice.

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And then when we were up therein the Swan, we were very
conscious about any type of icecontact in the hole and we
increased the hole plates tolike six millimeter thick, which
gives us a little bit moreleeway.
I mean, I probably wouldn'tstill freeze her in for the
winter.
But if we happen to strike someobjects and you see all these

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stories about people hittingwhales or containers or floating
objects in that scenario we'remore likely to end up with a
deformation in a plate ratherthan a shattering or a breaking
or a puncture so that it seemslike you probably feel like that
that would be safer for yourfamily and it's just a very
durable material, very cool,kind of rugged looking and very

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customizable.
You know, when you build afiberglass boat, you generally,
unless it's a one-off design,you're probably working from a
mold and if you want to changesomething, then that requires a
design change and a mold changeand then it gets glassed into
the mold, whereas with analuminum boat everything is CNC
cut and so we were able tocustomize very specific things

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that we wanted to put into theboat and then it gets done in
CAD basically, and then all thatgets CNC cut out and welded
together.
So you have a little bit moreflexibility for customization,
although it is much more.
It's more labor intensive right.

Does it help that you're an engineer background?

I don't know if it helps or hurts.
I mean, I really didn'tunderstand a lot about the
concepts of whole design orpropulsion systems or any of
that when we started, but now Ihave a pretty good grasp on why
certain decisions are made andwhat's a good idea, what's a bad
idea.

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I've always I've always reallyliked the rudder we have on
Delos.
It's a skag hung rudder andI've seen multiple stories of
people Hitting the rudder onsomething and basically, if it's
unsupported at the bottom, itjust takes the shaft and tweaks
it like that and then all of asudden you can't turn your
rudder because it locks thingsup.
Or, worst case scenario, youget a hole in the bottom of the

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boat.
Rudder comes out.
It's a big hole, and so I'mfairly certain that we would
have damaged Delos' rudder whenwe went aground in Solomon
Islands, in Giza, pretty badlyup onto a reef Wow.
There was some wall-loaderanchor and the chunks that were

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taken out of the front of therudder when we were getting out
there were just enormous andthat took the damage and the
rudder was fine, were justenormous and that took the
damage and the runner was fine.
And so, you know, when Istarted looking at catamarans
and like, well, they all havethese kind of like spade type
runners and then they have asail drive back there which is
also this kind of like delicateappendage, and so I was like,
well, if I go with the customboat, I want to go with like a

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shaft drive, um, for maintenance, uh, and I want to go with the
skag hung runner.
It's well protected that youcan land it, that you can beach
it.
There are some downfalls You'relosing space.
The sail drive is a very compactunit, so that's the plus side
of that.
The shaft drive, I think, is amore robust design but it takes

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a longer space, so you actuallyhave to have a longer engine
room or you have to put the bedunder the, the, the engine under
the bunk, which you see on someboats.
They'll, instead of they'll,have a firewall.
But then you know, because ifthey go shaft drive, then
they'll need to put the engineunder the cabin space.
And I'm like, well, I've alwaysbeen a fan of like the

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machinery space is separated.
So machinery here, living here,you keep all the smells, all
the oil, all the noise, all theheat in one place.
But the penalty for that is youmight have to give up a little
bit of cabin space.

so we make a lot of those design decisions yeah
um somebody, uh sv bo gum oninstagram says you couldn't be
giving her a better life throughour daughter's grown grown so
much in just two years ofcruising as somebody with some

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experience right there.
Yeah, I agree.
So Hayden's asking about whenis Daedalus 2.0 is epic.
When do you see completion?

Oh, good question.
I'll let you know when we getcloser.
You know, I mean I'd like to bedoing some sea trials, maybe by
the middle of next year orsomething.
I guess what is that about ninemonths away?
I think we're about God.
I should count.
I think we're maybe about 10 or11,000 hours into the project

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of human man-woman hours, andmaybe a little bit more, and I
really think it's probably likea 16,000-hour project.
So I mean I think we're overhalfway project 18.

So we're, I mean we're, I think we're over
halfway, but are you, are youand the crew working?

on this, or you have professionals coming in
for different things.
I mean me and me and cows arehere every day, all day.
We'll wake up at 6 00 am.
I get on emails and do youtubevideo stuff until 8, drive
sierra to school at the yard by9 30, work here until 5 all day,
get home, do the same thing onemails until dinner, go to sleep

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and it's just like you know,it's like a 16-hour day every
day, but it's what we have to do.

So you're not just out there relaxing drinking Mai
Tais.

Now is like now is work time, but we're out
sailing.
That's when playtime is, andwe're okay with that.
Yeah.
But we I mean we work with Idon't know, probably three
distinct teams of people, maybemore, probably more, but
full-time on the site.

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We have cabinetry as aprofession, if you want really
nice, lightweight cabinetry.
That's a skill that's acquiredover like 20 or 30 years of
experience to do it right.
And so we have two guys thatare just in a woodworking shop
they're down on the Gold CoastSteve and Steve amazing guys,

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hilarious, very skilled, sothey're doing all the woodwork.
And then we have Dan and histeam, which ranges from two to
three guys that were, you know,they're the hot work for the
metal team, so they were doingall the welding.
And I've been fortunate enoughto hang around and be like part
of the team for all these phases, so I've gotten to learn quite
a bit about what the differenttrades do.

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And now that we're past most ofthe welding and the fabrication
stage, we're into the fit-outstage, which I think is actually
2 thirds of the project, andthat's where we're running hoses
, installing tanks, runningplumbing, pulling conduits for
wires, installing the propulsionsystem, and that's kind of
where more, where I put in moreof my time.

Um, yes, so here's , uh, your username and your
website, and, um, I'm sureyou're taking donations for this
.
On the website it says buy us abeer, but there's for this.

On the website.

It says buy us a beer, but there's oh, yeah, yeah
.
Where can people contributehere?
You got the Patreon, I'm sure.

Yeah, patreon's good.
I mean, that's most of oursupport.
Okay, the YouTube and thesocial media landscape has just
changed so much.
Oh yeah, for 13 years now, forsince 2012 I think the first one
came out um, and youtube hasgone from I don't know like cat

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spinning balls of yarn videos tolike really well produced 20
and 30 minute episodes ofpeople's lives that are really
well done, and so you know, itwas a lot easier to get traction
when we first started becausewe were one of the first people
doing it there's.
There's an awful lot of peoplethere's a lot of sailing
channels.
There's a lot of like van lifechannels as tiny home channels

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there's.
Everybody has their own genre,um, and we feel very fortunate
to have the audience you got inearly, yeah and um, yeah, I
think we've we've had a lot offun with it too, and I think
we've we've had to share, uh,what life is like with people,
uh, and still not take ourselvestoo seriously.

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Um, I don't think we're likethe authority on anything just
because you do it a couple timesdoesn't make you an expert on
anything.

But you're right.
I started my sailing channel in2015 and it has changed so much
.
I mean, there was a time when Ithought and I think a lot of
people thought that sailing waskind of dying off.
It does not appear to.

That's the case now, though I think, with
starlink and the ability to workremotely, uh, there's more
people out sailing.
At a younger age, people wereable to work remotely and that's
also had some impacts on placesthat you know.
French polynesia used to be aplace where people would pass
through for the cruising seasonon their way to New Zealand,

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australia, but now people arestaying, they're staying and
they're working and it's puttinga toll on some of the islands.
You're starting to seecomplaints about, you know,
trash services and about toomany people anchoring and about
things getting crowded, thingsgetting crowded and it kind of

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stressing the resources of thesesmall villages which might be.
You know, let's say that one ofthe biggest town in the
marquesas is, like you know, 2000 people and if you have 100
boats show up and each of thosehave two people, you're adding,
you're increasing the populationby like 10 and that's, that's a
toll on the resources, right,and so there's, you're being a
seal of a pushback,unfortunately, on sailors, um,

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but I guess it's.
It's hard for the course, youknow it's now does it has it
helped the.

I mean I'm sure there's damage.
Uh, that happens from the boatsand I don't know pollution, but
um is it?
Does it help the local economyat all?

I'm sure in some ways it does.
You know, cruises are always ona budget, so they're
notoriously I won't say cheap,I'll just say thrifty, because I
also live on Mount St Wayne andso you know if you're trying to
save money, what do we do?
We splurge money on going outand eating.
I think where most of thesecommunities make their money is

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through bona fide tourism, whichI would consider to be.
You know, hotels, restaurants.
People come on a two-weekholiday.
They're going to spend way moremoney than me there on my boat
for two weeks.
I'm not paying foraccommodation, I'm just paying
for food, maybe a few toursmaybe I buy some fuel, although
I get the fuel tax free, so it'skind of like you maybe I stay
in a marina that helps localeconomy?
Probably I don't, becausemarinas are expensive and so I

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don't know.

I guess it could go, and so what advice would you
give to people about beingrespectful of these places?

The number one thing is take care of your
garbage.
I've been so many complaintsabout people not knowing what to
do with their trash and thenpeople leaving it next to the
already overflowing bin on thestreet.
And then somebody sees somebodyfrom a boat do it and all of a
sudden it's in someFrench-language Facebook group
site and then the locals arecomplaining about it.

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And then you go into a storeand then somebody sees you as a
sail sailor and then maybethey're not so kind to you
because they saw this and this,and so it's kind of got lives to
say tread lightly and respectthe locals.

And would you say, this is in other, not just
French Polynesia, other areas aswell.

I mean to a certain extent, and I think that
place in particular, think it'sjust so, tip of the day, take
care of your trash, take care ofyour trash and don't anchor in
court right okay, um how didraising sierra on board change

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your perspective on safety andpace of travel?
it was probably party downs atthe beginning you know, when it
was me, kaz and brady and, youknow, maybe alex on board, then
we would just sort of go for it.
Like you know, if the forecastis low and 30, you're like, ah,
everybody knows what they'regetting into.

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Like you know, s Sierra hasn'tmade this decision.
She does enjoy the sailing, butif it's rough it really affects
her.
It also really affects us,because she doesn't really take
care of herself.
She still has to be fed, shestill has to go to the toilet,
she still needs her hairbrush,all these things for a kid that
you do.
That become exponentially moredifficult when you're in the

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middle of the ocean and theboat's being tossed around.

So I do think we always.

I think our sailing just became more
conservatively.
I think we, you know, insteadof going someplace and rocking
into an anchorage for like a dayor two and then, you know,
jumping off, getting in thedinghy, exploring and going
somewhere else, now we'll travela little bit more slowly.
We'll tend to always try tospend, like you know, a couple
days or a week, so that we cankind of like, get adjusted as a

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family and kind of, you know,just have more time to relax.
So I guess aren't you relieved?

that she's not in some public school.
Or yeah, yes and no.

I mean I guess there's the social aspect
that she could be getting.
I think educationally she'sprobably getting a much better
education.
I think in two hours of focusedone-on-one education you can
probably cover more than whatgets covered in a typical school
day Faster and you can focus inon what you can tailor the
lessons individually to her.
It's like, yeah, and you canfocus in on what you can tailor

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the lessons individually to her.
It's like it's basicallyprivate tutoring, right, yeah,
and yeah, I mean she's getting avery worldly education.

I've always heard that the kids are so much more
well-adjusted yeah, growing upon a boat and they get to see,
like you said, when she sees theother boat kids.
There's a lot of socialinteraction there.

But it just seems like.
They're very much more welladjusted.
Growing up like she is, she'sresponsible in different ways
and she understands the conceptsof like.
Well, you can't always have ahot shower, Sierra.
Why not?
Well, because we have to makeour own hot water and we have to
make our own water in fact, andshe said well, where does the
water come from, daddy?

And I'm like well how do we do that and so?

then you get to explain all these concepts
about conservation and aboutwhere water comes from and you
know how we need energy from thesun to make it hot and also if
you want to watch your ipad,like we have to charge your ipad
and we have to run therefrigerators, and all this has
a toll on she's learning powermanagement, water management
yeah, and quantity of liquidsand fuel, and you know she's

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like well, how long can?

we run the engine for daddy I'm like.

Well, you know, we, if we, burn x number
of liters per hour.
Over this amount of time we cango like five days.
She's like oh, wow, okay it'smore than a car.
I'm like yes, more than a car.

A six-year-old.

I mean this would not happen if she was.

Yeah yeah, that is awesome.

You know, instead of teaching her, just
showing her pictures of whalesand books, we'll just take her
out swimming and we or justshowing her pictures of whales
and books We'll just take herout swimming and we'll be like,
okay, so that's a mandrakeSierra, that's a shark, like you
just swam with the shark.
She's like really, daddy, likeyeah, I mean, you know she's
like, yeah, it was a shark, cool, and I think that stuff is very
cool.

So you, brian, today, compared to that guy that
left Seattle, it's got to be.
What would you tell that guynow?

Hold on, it's going to be quite a ride.

Enjoy it.
Enjoy the rest of it.
Yeah, I wanted to ask Kaz Kazthat same question.

She actually had to go meet with the guys
about a very important decisionregarding the steering, so she's
in the shop, but I can try now.
Oh, you want to ask the samequestion to her?

Okay.

I'm sure she probably knew.

So this is the only world that Sierra knows.

So I just find that fascinating.
We have spent more time inAustralia now, so then over the
last year certainly, than wehave on the boat.
I think we've spent four monthssailing and like eight months
here on and off.
So I mean she knows I thinkshe's getting an interesting

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view of both, both lives.
I mean she misses going to thebeach, she misses swimming in
the ocean.
But then you know we have aYMCA next to our house so we
take her to swimming lessons andso it's just sort of a
different experience, but shestill gets to do things.

That's great.
The swimming lessons I betshe's a good swimmer.

She's a really good swimmer.
She is.
She loves it.

So the boat, the new boat, I think right now you
have both boats in a yard.

Oh yeah, we have both money pits in one
place now, so you can just seethe money just flying away.

So this boat, when you sell it, if that's what you
plan on doing, I don't thinkyou're going to have any problem
selling it, do you?

I don't think so.
We're in no hurry.
I mean, we still have a longtime to go on Delos too.

You're not ready yet.

No, and she needs quite a bit of work,
Unfortunately.
The rig needs to be done.
She needs to be repowered.
The diesel's on her last legs.
You know she's a boat.
She always needs some TLC.
At least she's in a good placeto where we can do that sort of
work here.

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So, yeah, she's parked rightnext door to the shed here.

Yeah, I bet it feels good to have them both
there, though.

It does.
I mean, we had a big debatewhether we should leave Delos
and Fiji and then be able to flyback and then eventually sail
her to Australia, and we justfelt like, well, now is the time
, we're in the last year of thebuild, let's buckle down, let's
focus, let's put all of ourenergy into getting this done
and let's not worry about, youknow, trying to fly back to Fiji

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and cycling season coming upand all of these things.

So it's the right call, Joel says.
How often do you run intoYouTube fans on your shelves?

Quite often into youtube fans on your
shelves.
Quite often.
I mean, obviously it's moreoften when they're around boats
and people are on boats andwater, but I mean it'll be
randomly.
And bunnings here is like theversion of home depot.
You'll see somebody like, oh, Iwatch your videos in the
supermarket, or something likethat.
Do they ever hunt you down in?

the supermarket or something like that Do they
ever hunt you down.
I've had that happen to me.

There's a pretty steady stream of people
that come by the shop to say hi.
I always try and say hi topeople.
Sometimes I'm in the middle ofsomething, sometimes people
might think I'm a little bitshort, but I always think, well,
imagine if I kind of wantedinto your office and just
knocked on your door.
I mean, you know, I've got likea welding helmet on and I'm
like welding there's somebody onthere shouting brian brown and

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like trying.
You're sitting there welding andyou're like it's nice to know
that people want to come by andsee the boat and say hi yeah,
okay, well, um, what's one thingyou're excited to do
differently with delos 2.0?

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That wasn't possible on thefirst boat is it wrong to say
run the air conditioning off?
The solar panels?
oh yeah, no, no, it's not wrongat all I'm really excited about
seeing how the hybrid driveworks.
I'm really excited about seeinghow the hybrid drive works.
I've always been curious aboutthat.
The technology is kind ofgetting close to getting there,

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but at this point it's still.
You know, we're going to have alot of batteries, like about 54
kilowatt hours of batteries.
And even with that amount ofbatteries I think we're still
going to get a range of about 40nautical miles, which is enough
to get on and off the hook, inand out of a marina.
But you know, for propercruising it's nowhere near the

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range that you need to get.
You couldn't even go throughthe panama canal with that range
right on pure electric.
And so it'll be a hybrid, adiesel, electric hybrid system.
So we'll still have like a overa thousand nautical mile range
under power.
But when?
we want to use the hybrid system, we'll have the ability to you
know, maybe motor out of thechannel or it'll be interesting

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to see how it works it is.
It is way more expensive thanjust going with the twin diesel
arrangement and it does addquite a bit of weight because
you have to increase yourbattery capacity and you have
you know you still have a dieselpower source um so how many
batteries is that?
uh, and well, let's see, it's 18, 2.7 kilowatt hour batteries.

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Uh, and so that would be what's18 times three, fifty four or
something.

Somebody is going to be times 3.
Get the calculator out, I lostthe sound.

Oh, here we go so it's like 54 standard
batteries like we have on Delos.

I'm hearing an echo.
Give me one second.
I don't know where it's comingfrom.
How about solar?

We'll have somewhere between 5,000 and
6,000 watts of solar, so that'llbe yeah, it's quite a bit, and
that's just on the roof alone.

There's going to be more.

I don't think we'll need more.

I think we'll be okay with that yeah and what
else are you planning on puttingon there?
What, what cool electronics areyou?

uh well I mean, I think the electrical
system is going to be uh sort ofit won't be, it won't be like
crazy, it'll just be.
I mean, it'll have a lot, beingcapable of handling a lot of
power, but you mean as far aslike the navigation system or
Are you going?
To have a wind generator.

Are you going to have a wind vane, Are you going
to?

you know all this stuff.

I mean on Delos we get about one kilowatt
hour per day of power, about 20%of our power, from wind.
And so now that we'reincreasing our solar capacity
times five and our batterycapacity times like eight or
nine, I mean the wind generatoris nice because it pumps in

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power day and night, right, butif you have this large power
bank that you need for thepropulsion system, it's what
it's more than enough overnight,and so then it's like the wind
is nice, but then you're justliterally like it's almost
irrelevant at that at thosescales when you have that much

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solar battery.
and then you know it's justyou're using like 10% of your
capacity overnight, and thenyou're topped up by 11 the next
day and okay what about the?
scenario if you have, or you'reprobably, topped up by like 10
in the morning, without thatsolar or something.
And then the scenario is likewell, what if you have five or
six days of bad weather or lowsolar, or you go up north where

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the solar is very low on thehorizon?
My answer is well, I mean,we're going to the electric
propulsion motor that we havecan also work generator, so it's
basically a 20 kilowatt DCcharging solution, and so you
know if you can top up your bankand in two hours of runtime, or
something like that.

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Of your generator, yeah yeah,then it's very efficient, right,
and then also, you know, itsort of makes.

I mean.

I love the way in power we had on Delos.
It really helped us.
But I think, on the way thesystem's configured on Delos too
, you probably won't need it,just yeah.
And so when did that projectstart?
we started thinking about it in2019, looking at different
designs and looking at differentboats, and then we kind of

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chose a designer and we kind ofwent back and forth on the
design just before we crossed.
When we finished the designmaybe two years ago, when we
started building 18, yeah, notquite a year and a half ago.

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We started in March of lastyear.

So it's a two and a half year project, march of
last year.

So it's a two and a half year project.
That's fast for a custom boat,I think, if you look at like I
was just talking to somebody.
I won't mention the yardbecause I don't want to throw
shade on anybody, but it's a.
It's a.
It's a yard in Southeast Asiawhere a number of boats are
coming from.
Their project delay was threeyears.
Wow the delay was three.
It came three years later thanthey said, and so I think it was

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more like a five-year build,and I think if you can get
anywhere between the two andthree-year mark on a boat, I
think you're doing pretty good,especially across the boat.

Why do you think that's so in shade?

Oh, I don't know.
Like you hear things fromdifferent people you know you
hear like you don't know whattheir situation is or why it
happened, or what thecircumstances are.
Maybe they made design changesthat pushed the build out.
Maybe they had a productionbottleneck.
Maybe there was a COVIDpandemic.
Who knows, Right, it's justcould be any reason.

All right.
So I always ask everybody thiswill be a hard one for you.
I'm sure your favoriteAnchorage oh.

Brian of SV Delos (01:00:01):
I love.
There's a little place in theTumotos called Tahanea or Roria
Roria, roria.
It's hard to pronounce, butit's like what I would consider
the epitome of South Pacificparadise.
It's just a lagoon.

Capn Tinsley (01:00:19):
What's the name of it?

Tahanea, I can try, and let's see Ta T-A-H.
Let's see if I can.
I don't want to misplay Tahanea.

Karin of SV Delos (01:00:34):
Yeah.

T-A-H-A-N-E-A .
That place is fantastic.

French Polynesia.
Okay, I'm going to bring thisup.

Just search on Tahanea.

Esvidelos, I'll put it in your chat.

Okay, I do have it .
I'm pulling it up on GoogleMaps.
I've learned about some really,really cool anchorages.
Yeah, I mean, mean it's nowhere.
Yeah, there's.

(01:01:13):
Even Google Maps doesn't looklike it goes there a lot.
That's essential.

Is it Crystal clear waters?
You still get good breezecoming up the atoll Plenty of
cocon coconuts, plenty of crabs.
Um, good swimming, good divingand nobody, nobody, okay a few
sailboats.

We actually spent a couple of weeks there where it
was just us, which is reallynice so tell me about the
difference that when you wentback to French Polynesia, the
difference like when you sailedthere this time, what were you
thinking Like?
Here I was just this kid thatwas partying down sailing.

(01:02:01):
And now here now look at you.

Yeah, I don't know Different people.
I guess different time in yourlife I felt more like I was a
little bit more centered thistime just because, like you've
been out cruising for a while,like you kind of know what to
expect, how to set yourself up.
I mean, we still make mistakes,but I think we're better at
reading the weather and maybekeeping us out of like exciting

(01:02:26):
situations.
Um, they were betterprovisioning and like you know,
unfortunately, instead ofcarrying like a ton of beer, you
know now we're like well, nowwe have our skills on board, so
we can make our own.

So oh cool, okay Well, it just had to be.
Just, I don't know epic comingback in so many changes, you
know in yourselves more settledyeah sounds like y'all were
having a pretty good time withwith all that crew, yeah, yeah
we were.

I mean, the social interaction was cool.
But you know now it's reallynice just to be our family on
the board yes, and like we canstill meet up with friends and
we can still go out and party,but you know, when we come back
to the boat then it's our spaceand, you know, is your brother
is your brother with you and itis is his name, is it brad?

(01:03:24):
Uh, brady, brady brady and alex.
Is it Brad?
Brady, brady and Alex.
Yeah, yeah, so they're livingin Lake Tahoe now, so they're
not doing the sailing thinganymore.
Well, they run a sailing schoolon Lake Tahoe and then they run
an ocean-going cruising schoolout of their passport.

(01:03:46):
I think it's a passport,Passport 42.
No wait, Is it?
I should know this.
Anyway think it's a passport,passport 42, no wait, is it?

I should know this.

Anyways, it's a sailboat.
They have a 42 footer in theSea of Cortez and they do
cruising lessons off of there,so the sailing school.
Yes, the sailing school Is it?

ASA, ASA.
No they sort of do their ownthing.
Oh, okay.

Yeah.

That's cool.

Yeah, I think they're focused more on, like
the cruising aspect, it alsoincludes the sailing aspect.
But when you think about whatit takes to do cruising, yes,
you need to know how to sailyour boat from A to B and dock
and all that stuff, but you alsoneed to know how to run the
watermaker and you know how toproperly set the hook and you
need to know, like all these,like it's just it's.

(01:04:37):
I think it's honestly it's.
You know, probably when youthink about it, on our trip it's
been 10% sailing and 90% otherstuff, right, so 90% of the time
you're you're anchored oryou're moored, or you're in the
yard fixing your boat or youknow you're just trying to
figure out how to fix things,and then the other 10% is just
going from A to B.
You know.

So going back to that guy that was at Microsoft
and it was like, oh, this is thechart for all the people in the
organization.
And he was saying I want to bein here.
Where is that guy today?
I don't know.

Probably living in McMansion somewhere in
Seattle, I don't know.

Have you stayed in touch with any of those people?
Do they know what you're doing?

I think some people do.
I'll occasionally get a randommessage from somebody I worked
with in the past.
Yeah, I knew you went it's likea completely different life
well, that seemed to have made abig impact on you.

When he's showing you the organizational chart and
you're like I don't want that.
So I'm just wondering if he'sever contacted you, do you
remember his name?
Uh, that's amazing.
It would be so cool to bringhim on.

He's actually a very nice guy.

No, I'm sure, I'm sure.
I just wonder if he realizeswhat an impact that had on you.
One ocean you'd happily we gotsome pounding going on, no
problem.
It is a boatyard, so so I dohave just a couple more

(01:06:26):
questions.
We've been on here for an hour.
I don't want to take up toomuch of your time.
I do appreciate you answeringmy email, by the way, or
answering on Instagram.
Thank you for that.

My dad monitors our social media stuff.

Oh, okay.

It's time to answer comments and try and get
back to people.
So I said, Dad, can you help usout?
He does that.

He said there's a podcast.
This chick wants to talk to you.

Very much.

Dad language.
Yeah, One ocean you'd happilysail again.

Oh Wow, that's a good one.
Each one's got its own littleunique thing.
I'd like to spend more time inthe Pacific.

The Pacific's a good one.
Each one's got its own littleunique thing.
I'd like to spend more time inthe Pacific.

The Pacific's just so enormous.
And I think one of the thingsI'd like to do when we get Delos
II ready to go is we'll maybedo a shakedown cruise back to
the South Pacific maybe Fiji,something like that.
I'm sure there'll be thingsthat we want to change.
We'll probably break some stuff, because nobody's ever built

(01:07:32):
one of these holes before.
Wow.
So we back there to be someissues, we'll take care of that.
And then I think a big NorthPacific loop would be cool.
And so before, when we sailed up, you know, we went from
Australia to Indonesia, to thePhilippines, and then we ran out
of money.
And so then we're like well, wereally wanted to go up to Japan

(01:07:53):
, but if you don't have anymoney, japan, I think, is not a
great place to go, whereasMalaysia, where food is cheap
and living is cheap, is a betterplace to go.
So we went to Malaysia.
This time I'd like to keepgoing north and maybe go explore
more of Asia.
We've gotten invited to go toTaiwan Malaysia this time.
I'd like to keep going northand maybe go explore more of
Asia.
I'd love we've gotten invitedto go to Taiwan.

(01:08:17):
I think South Korea would beamazing.
I think Japan would be cool andthen kind of maybe continue on
to Alaska.
She's a perfect boat to go upto Alaska and then the inside
passage back down, so like a bigNorth Pacific loop.
I think could be cool and thenjust see where that takes us.

So okay, so that's going to be.
That was a question I was goingto ask what you plan on doing.
So you're planning on going uptowards Malaysia and just all of
that up there.
Vietnam and all that stuffMaybe not Vietnam?

I think I'd probably definitely go back to
the Philippines the Philippinesis incredible and then just
maybe go north from there.
Yeah, I've interviewed somepeople with some great pictures

(01:09:08):
of their boats anchored right bya glacier.
Oh yeah, so beautiful.
Yeah, I've always beeninterested in the northwest
passage, so I mean that could bean interesting way to get to
the atlantic and then go explore.

I don't know, I think it should be a really good
boat for the northwest passage.
So last question I may think ofanother one, but um, how would
you describe the new vibe you'rehoping for on Delos 2.0?

Oh the new vibe.
What are?

you hoping it'll be like.

I'd say rugged and expeditionary.
So like we're not going topaint the boat, she'll just be
raw aluminum.
the systems are going to berobust and durable so smart, so
I don't think she'll beconsidered a luxury boat, like
there won't be any shiny things,there won't be any like

(01:10:02):
gratuitous use of carbon fiberinlaid instruments or anything.
I'll probably just do polishedaluminum backdrops because it's
very durable, it's very easy toclean, it's very easy to weld.
No paint, so paint paint can'tflake off.
You don't have to repaint it ifit's not painted in the first
place.
Um, things like that.
Low maintenance, yeah, lowmaintenance.

(01:10:25):
Um, and also a lot of thoughtand attention given to some of
the downfalls that we saw inDelos one which is like lack of
ventilation, kind of lack oflight downstairs, and so we've
kind of really planned out likethe hatches and the ventilation
system and the heating andcooling system, like based on
what we've learned be a fullyinsulated boat, so very good for

(01:10:48):
acoustics and thermals, will bequiet inside.
Um, you know you don't thinkabout it but, like on delos, the
compressors for all the fridgesand freezers are right in the
living space, right, right whereyou you're trying to watch tv
or chill in the night, and thosethings going off in the
background, always like fannoise, compressor noise.
You're like I would just liketo turn all of this stuff off,

(01:11:10):
and so you know, some of thethinking has been involved in
where do we place this equipment?
Where do I put the airconditioning compressors, like,
should they go in the livingspace?
Like right under your bed?
Well, no because it's loud andit kind of sucks when it turns
on, and so I'll be putting thosein the engine room where it's
going to be like isolated andkind of quiet, Like a hydronic

(01:11:30):
cooling loop or heating loop,and so I think a lot of those
decisions.
I'm having fun with trying tothink about that stuff.
I'm sure we'll make mistakesbut we'll learn.
I think you could sell these.

Oh, this is your design.

We'll just focus on the sailing and you
know we'll see.

Well Sailing.
Fin Explorer says big fansexcited to see where you'll take
Delos 2.0.
We hope to bump into you in theNorthwest Passage or somewhere
else high latitude.
I did interview them.
I interviewed them.
Yeah, so they're big fans ofyours.
Um, is there anything else thatyou would like to to say?

(01:12:23):
And I know that you probably uh, would like some donations
right I mean support is reallyimportant to us.

You, I know that people often think that you
know why would you need supportif you're like, you know, like
a bigger YouTube channel and Imean we're just it's tough out
there.
I think we are a bigger channelbut there's so many channels now
that the love has sort of beenspread amongst a lot of people
now, and so you know, know, wehave to work.
I feel like we have to worktwice as hard to kind of like

(01:12:53):
stay exactly where we are, justto tread water.
So we do appreciate peoplewatching and commenting and
liking the videos.
That makes a big deal to us.
And then, if you, if you dofeel like you're getting
something out of this,supporting us on patreon is is
the best way.
Okay, we're able to kind ofinteract with the people on
patreon in a different way.
Like I make sure that I'm ableto answer all people's questions

(01:13:15):
and personally answer theircomments and, uh, you know we do
meetups and stuff like that andno ads in the videos which you
know we have to do promotionsnow, like it's just, I know
people, we've had some flack forit for promoting products, but
like, honestly, advertising is.
I mean that's now it's becomemainstream on youtube videos

(01:13:35):
that if you want to, if you wantto make a living off that, you
need to represent products andbrands.
We try and do ones that we likeand we trust.
Um, but still it's 60 or 90seconds out of a video.

Now, do you do those separate or do you drop
them in the video?

We try I mean for us, because we're not very
good at it.
They kind of get filmed afterthe fact, because we film our
stuff in advance and so we'reediting our videos Even though
we're already here in Australia.
The the videos of us sailing toaustralia are being released,
and so we don't know whatpromotions are going to go in

(01:14:15):
those videos, and so we'll doour best to look back and film
it as if we were there.
Um, but that's kind of well,I'm just.

The reason I asked is because I'm just starting to
do that.

I've had people reaching out to me and I
thought I would do from youraudience at first, but I mean,
you got it if you need to make aliving right.
So people who understand thatwill understand that people
don't will just continuecomplaining really yeah, okay in
the comments.
That's okay, because it's soengagement yeah, it still helps.

I'm reading the comments.
Please, yes, please complain.
Well, is there anything elseyou want people to know?
There'll be a lot of peoplewatching this in the replay,
especially, so anything you wantto say to your fans.

Thank you.
Thank you for making thispossible for us this live.
Thank you for watching.
We appreciate it.
And, uh, if you're not doingsomething that you love, make
time to go out and do.
It doesn't have to be.
You don't have to put your job,you don't have to sail around
the world.
Maybe it's making sure that youtake a 30 minute lunch break
and you go sit and stare at atree instead of answering emails

(01:15:24):
.
Maybe it's something as smallas that, but at least take that
time for yourself.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of people have different
formulas.
Some are doing it full-time,some are doing it part-time.
I'm definitely a part-timer andluckily I have a job that I can
, you know, work from the boat.
But just, whatever you can do,do it right.

That's it.

Whatever your life holds Right, others will make
most's it, whatever your lifeholds Right, we'll make most of
it.
All right.
Well, I'd love to catch up withyou again down the road.
Thank you so much for doingthis.
I really, really appreciate itand with that, all right have a
good one.
Thanks again.
Salty Abandoned out.

(01:16:19):
Thank you.

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