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September 20, 2021 62 mins

This is the first part of a 2-part episode with Steph Barron Hall, an Enneagram 3 who had just begun going to therapy again when I interviewed her last year. In this episode, Steph talks about her experience with therapy and how she had finally gotten to a place in life where she could allow herself to feel emotions and acknowledge big changes. But, when we listened to this episode back almost a year later, Steph and Michael both noticed something really important: Steph still seemed extremely guarded. 

In next week's episode, you'll be able to compare Steph's demeanor, voice, tone, and level of vulnerability from the time this first episode was recorded, to the interview I do with her almost a year into therapy. We'll be the first to tell you - expect BIG changes. 

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