One UI 7.0 Beta Boycott + Galaxy Z Fold Special Edition Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back everybody.
This is episode number 21 ofthe Sammy Guru Podcast.
My name is Jeff Springer.
With me, as always, my co-host,torrey.
Torrey, say hi, how's it going.
We're here on a Sunday.
I think this might be a firstfor us too.
We did Monday last week.
Yeah, not today, we did Sunday.
We're just moving it all aroundhere on a football.
Sunday the Steelers just won.
I watched that game with mywife.
She's a big Steelers fan.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Tor, my wife.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
She's a big Steelers fan.
Torrey's high school team gotabsolutely destroyed in the
state playoffs yesterday 52-7,right Torrey Yep 52-7.
Which is the same score.
Alabama won by yesterday, butthey were basically playing a
glorified high school teamthemselves.
Yes, Mercer is an FCS team thatshould definitely have no
business playing a team likeAlabama, but they do it, so they
can get paid a big fat couplemillion dollar check.
Yeah, A little tune-up game, Iknow, but Alabama has two more

(00:47):
games Oklahoma and Auburn.
If they win those they'redefinitely going to be in the
playoffs.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's great news.
I think we've got a chance.
I mean, our team is luckilykind of coming together at the
right time?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
No, it really is.
It's kind of you know, speakingto Daybor, like with just the
team buying into him and I thinkus, as a role tie community, we
also need to buy into him andjust understand that.
You know Nick Saban is gone,you know from the team, so you
know we have to move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I think he probably learned something too
about the fact that he needed alittle more discipline.
Because in the beginning Ithink, he was just letting the
players do whatever they want,like they were basically running
the team, like it was a 24-7party, and he can't be doing
that.
I mean, if you want to allow alittle more leeway than Nick
Saban, that's fine, but youcan't let the players basically
run the show.
Otherwise you're not going tohave the discipline you need to
win in high-level football.

(01:36):
So very happy though my wife'steam, the Steelers 8-2,
alabama's 8-2.
We're both on tracks forwinning success this season.
The Steelers look way betterthan I think anybody thought
that they possibly could thisseason, so really happy to see
that the Steelers are performingwell.
People were so concerned thatthey might not be able to do
well because they thoughtRussell Wilson might suck or

(01:57):
Justin Fields.
They went out and got two newquarterbacks in the offseason.
Like what if neither of thesequarterbacks ends up being any
good?
And it turns out not one ofthem, but both of them were good
.
Justin Fields started theseason while Russell Wilson was
hurt.
He won a bunch of games.
Then Russell Wilson takes over.
Now he's winning a bunch ofgames.
He's on like a four-game winstreak since he took over, so
that's exciting.
The new Pokemon set still islike sold out everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Sold out.
Yeah, yeah, even the same place.
I told you where to get the box.
Yeah, they just said that.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, they are sold out yeah, I know, I tried to get
another box from there, justabout every target is sold out.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
They only have just uh blister packs um most uh game
stores I've gone to they arejust sold out yeah, I went on uh
facebook because I just neededone and I bought a case oh nice,
I bought a booster case.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Some guy was selling a booster case for $9.20.
I felt like that was a prettygood price.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I know that's around like $155 a box.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for asealed case it's not too bad.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, no, so I figured then I didn't have to
worry about looking for somearound town.
Me and Jonathan actually wentout yesterday trying to look
because he wanted to open somemore and I was like I don't
think we're going to find any.
We found a couple of premiumcollection boxes at Target that
had some surging sparks.
I bought one just so he couldopen some stuff, but there's
only like two of the packs ofsurging sparks.
So it's like you know it's notreally going to really pull the

(03:16):
Pikachu out of there.
But yeah, what else have youbeen up to, Tori?
How's work going?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know work is going.
We're starting to get to thatwind down phase of like.
We have one more full week,then Thanksgiving week and then
just three more full weeks andthen winter break.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Do you guys get the entire week off for Thanksgiving
?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I wish.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No we literally get.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
we go to.
Let's see, we have to workMonday, tuesday, full day, I
think Wednesday is a half day,and then we get Thursday, friday
, off.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Oh, that stinks.
Yeah, Having that whole weekoff is always nice.
It is when I was over there atGCU.
It was nice to have the wholeweek off.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But now they don't even do that anymore.
I mean, most institutions don'teven do full weeks anymore.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, ASU still does the three full Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday.
They only get Thanksgiving andFriday off.
Yeah so yeah, I kind of thinkhaving the whole week, or at
least the beginning of the week,being remote is nice.
Because a lot of students aregoing to leave anyway.
The students who are not here,they can't go to class on
Wednesday because they've got tofly home on Wednesday.
They're not going to fly onThanksgiving, You've got to get

(04:18):
back on Wednesday.
So logistically it just doesn'tmake any sense, at least to
have class on Wednesdays, in myopinion.
Yeah, I agree, and mostinstitutions they have some
version of like Monday,Wednesday, Friday, Tuesday,
Thursday schedules.
So if you don't have class onWednesday, you can't really have
class on Tuesday.
And then if you don't haveclass on Tuesday, well, you
can't really have class onMonday because that wouldn't be
fair to the other group.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
No, it wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
So you know it's kind of a toss-up, but uh, yeah,
otherwise things are goingpretty well here.
Sammy guru, um, I think we'regonna have one more podcast
ready to go for the beginning ofthanksgiving week, but then
that week we're not going torecord, so the following week
yeah we won't have a podcast forthe first time.
Hey, gotta cut us a break.
That's gonna mean that we havedone 22 episodes in a row

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without taking a break.
That's a pretty good streak tostart a podcast.
I don't think very many podcastshit 22 episodes in a row before
they decide to take a week off.
And then we're going to try tosqueeze out the Christmas week,
because Christmas isn't fall ona day that would mess up our
schedule.
So we probably should still beable to bang that out.
And then when I'm at CES inearly January, we should still

(05:23):
be able to do one.
We'll probably have to do it,we'll figure it out, but I think
we can still do it.
I'll have a lot of stuff totalk about there.
But this week we have someexciting stuff because I do
finally have in my hands herethe Galaxy Z Fold Special
Edition and I'll put a bunch ofB-roll.
I'm actually going to post avideo version of this, even
though we're not recording thevideo, because I want to put

(05:44):
some B-roll in here, the audiooverlay.
I'm just going to upload theaudio but then put in a bunch of
B-roll at the Z-fold so youguys can see it on YouTube.
But I also have a bunch ofvideos, so if you want to see
what I'm talking about in thepodcast, you can also just go
watch them, because I posted aton of stuff already.
But I will tell you guys a lotabout this in the second half of
the show, because we alwaysusually do hardware the second

(06:04):
half.
I probably have at least 20, 30minutes worth of stuff to say
about this, but I love it.
It's the first thing I'll say.
Is it worth someone else buyingit for $3,000?
Probably not.
Just because if you buy it, ifyou get it and it's broken, you
won't have any leg to stand onbecause there's no warranty.
Really, if you buy it fromanother country and import it,

(06:25):
that makes it very dangerous tospend three grand on.
Luckily, I got this before anyother YouTuber, so I got the
first videos up on this.
Almost all the videos I made onthis already have over 100,000
views.
I did three of them, so wedefinitely make our money back
at least, which is great.
So in the end, this gambleworked out for me and I was able
to bring you guys a lot of coolcontent.
So I'll have a really deep diveinto this Almost a full review,

(06:46):
because I've had it for almosta week.
I will write a full writtenreview on Sammy Guru as well,
but really excited about the ZFold Special Edition.
So second half of the show.
A little teaser there.
But let's jump into the Samsungnews as per usual, and we'll
start with the One UI 7 beta,because it seems like since this
podcast started it doesn't seemlike since this podcast started

(07:08):
for real we've been talkingabout when in the freaking hell
is the One UI 7 beta going toshow up, and we're just like,
yeah, it's probably going to benext week, it'll be two weeks
from now, it'll be a month fromnow.
Sorry, it's going to be threeweeks from now.
Ever since we started this,which has now been five months,
we started this like in themiddle of June or early June,
yep, and we've been out saying,oh, the beta is going to come

(07:30):
soon, cause normally the betashows up at the end of the
summer.
So when we started the podcast,I really did think the beta
would be here soon.
People think that I'm just likeblowing smoke up their butts,
but that's usually when the betacomes, so I thought it would.
And then we've heard about allthese delays.
Uh, at stc, when I went to sanjose, they said, oh, just by the
end of 2024.
But then ice universe was like,oh well, now it's going to come

(07:51):
in november because they madesome progress.
And now it seems like again wemight have another delay,
because ice universe tweetedover this weekend saying that
they discovered some more majorbugs in the latest release that
they thought was going to be thebeta candidate that they were
going to push out to the beta.
Remember the beta we thoughtwas going to go live this coming
week?
Because remember we said thetwo target dates were November

(08:12):
15th that's already passed.
Because we're recording this onthe 17th or November 21st,
which is this upcoming Thursday,because that's the day of SDC
Korea, the Korean version of theSamsung Developer Conference.
Could it still release on the21st?
I guess, but with bugs being onboard, the latest master

(08:32):
release that they have doesn'tsound too good If you had to bet
.
Tori, do you think we're goingto see the beta this week?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
No no.
I mean, if they're seeing allthese bugs, it's just not going
to be this week.
It may still be several weeksout.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, it could be December still.
I mean, no one has said forsure that they decided to push
it.
But if I was a betting man I'mswitching my bets now to saying
it's not coming by the end ofthis week.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think it's going to be the second or third week of
December, I feel it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I kind of feel like they have to put it out by the
second week of December becauseyou don't want to put it out
around Christmas time.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because the whole point of the beta right is for
people to test and give youfeedback on bugs.
A lot of people in a lot ofcountries where Christmas is
celebrated heavily, they're notgoing to really be doing a bunch
of bug feedback, even if theyare enthusiasts probably during
Christmas and New Year's.
So then you miss two weeks ofhyperactive feedback.
Some people still will.
I will.
It's my job to do this and testand obviously I'll still give

(09:33):
them feedback because when Imake videos I automatically log
bug reports as I make videos andcatch bugs.
But they're going to miss outon.
The average.
Enthusiast maybe won't do thatnecessarily.
So I feel like they have torelease it by the second week of
December, even if there's a lotof bugs.
A lot of people are kind of onthe fence, as they're saying oh
well, should we?
Do we want them to release itwith all the bugs or do we want

(09:55):
them to wait and release it in amore stable form?
But it's going to take longer?
I don't really know.
I mean, on one hand it's a beta, so you're expected to have
some bugs.
On the other hand, it's been athree-month delay over a
three-month delay now from theusual timeline.
So I kind of just want you torelease it and you know, let's
just see what happens.
If there's some bugs, then wecan try to squash them as we go,

(10:16):
because they need to obviouslyhave this on track for a release
for the Galaxy S25.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
They want this out.
Yeah, exactly, to launch alongwith it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
They want to get this to launch.
The stable version is supposedto launch with the Galaxy S25.
So if there's still bugs byDecember, then, man, are they
going to launch a buggy stableversion on the S25?
I don't think they can do that.
So I think they've got to getthe beta sometime soon, I mean
it just doesn't look good.
I mean I wish I had a whole lotmore to say.
I mean I'm looking through likeSammy Guru and looking at all

(10:47):
the One UI 7 stories we have andmost of the stories we have are
just like yeah, there's bugsand there's delays, there's
really not a lot of new featurescoming.
Someone found in the Samsungmembers app that there was some
code saying that the opt-in pagefor the beta was about to go
live.
But I mean, basically it's alljust stories saying, oh well,

(11:08):
the beta is coming.
No, the beta is not coming.
They're making progress.
No, they're not making progress.
It's really not like a lot ofnew features coming.
We've kind of heard of all thevarious features.
There was one other story Iknow that one of our writers was
working on last night.
Let me see if I can find it,because we haven't published it
yet.
I still got to review it so Ican kind of see what it is.

(11:31):
Four features you can expectwith the One UI beta.
There's four new features youcan expect, but these are mainly
just tune-ups of other features.
Remember, we talked about theNow bar, which is going to have
live activities there.
Information about the liveactivities is now below the Now
bar which is going to have likelive activities.
There Information about thelive activities is now like
below the now bar.
I guess in the new versionthat's not a really a new
feature.

(11:51):
I mean, mostly all the reallike big new stuff is probably
already leaked out.
I'm sure there's some smallerstuff.
Of course there's like tons ofchanges because this is one of
the biggest changes you know inOne UI history.
But I would imagine all thereally big stuff has already
kind of come to fruition.
So I don't know, tori, once weget the beta, I mean we'll have

(12:12):
a lot of stuff to talk about.
You have the S22 Ultra, so Idon't know that you'll be able
to run the beta because I thinkit'll only be the S24 and the
S23 in the beginning.
But you can check it out on myphone and kind of see what you
think about the new design oncewe have the finalized design.
Um, but yeah, if someone'slooking for I know a lot of
people keep asking me like Ifeel bad because I mean we, all

(12:33):
of us who are like samsung newsoutlets and the leakers all we
can go on is based on what ishappening from the builds that
we see on the servers and whatpeople are saying, who actually
know Samsung employees, theleakers who have contacts about
how stable it is.
And if Samsung changes theirmind because they're not happy
with it, well, people get mad atus.

(12:54):
They're like you said it wasgoing to come on the 15th.
You thought it would come onthe 15th it was out of your
control.
That's kind of where it was, andthen it's changing.
Obviously, with such a hugechange year over year in the UI,
there's going to necessarily bea lot more bugs than there
would From 5.0 to 6.0, it was avery minor change.
There wasn't change very much.
So of course last year the betawas on time and everything was

(13:17):
pretty smooth, but it didn'tchange anything really.
So you can't have it both ways.
People complain and say, ohwell, you guys didn't change
enough stuff in the software,you didn't fix anything.
But then they actually try todo that.
They're like well, where theheck is the beta?
It's taking too long yeah, ittakes time.
I mean, of course, if you wantthem to change a whole bunch of
stuff, like, yeah, it's going totake a lot longer than if they

(13:37):
change nothing.
Right, if they change nothing,of course, it's not going to
take very long to roll out thebeta.
So that's where I am with that.
I wanted to issue kind of astatement on the news on that,
because people keep saying, like, well, why don't you guys talk
about a lot more One UI 7 news?
Well, we don't know.
We're just waiting now for thebeta to release.
Trust me, once the beta comesout, we'll probably have like
two full episodes of the podcast.

(13:58):
We'll just be dissectingeverything in the beta, because
I know that's what you guys like.
A lot of my channel on YouTubeis about software updates and
stuff, so I know a lot of peoplelisten for that.
But when there's nothing totalk about, what the heck are we
supposed to do?
So transitioning A couple ofother interesting stories,
speaking of the Galaxy S25 andthe Galaxy S25 running One UI 7

(14:23):
or One UI 7.1.
By the way, someone said One UI7.1 on the S25.
Running One UI 7 or One UI 7.1.
By the way, someone said One UI7.1 on the S25.
I have no idea how the heckit's going to run 7.1 if they
can't even finish 7.0 on time.
So I don't know about that.
I heard a bunch of leakerssaying that too, like, oh, the
S25 is going to run 7.1 insteadof 7.0.
Well then maybe they should justskip 7.0 entirely then, because
they can't even seem to push itup.

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Maybe they should just changethe numbering for the actual
stable release.
But anyway a very reliableleaker leaked out the official
date for the Galaxy S25 launch,and the launch event is going to
be on January 22, 2024.
And according to the leaker,the event will take place in San

(15:05):
Francisco, california.
So it looks like for this eventI'll be headed back to the Bay
Area.
Just came from there for SDC.
It looks like Samsung is goingto go back there for their next
event, for the S25 Unpackedevent, probably at the Moscone
Center, I would imagine that'swhere they usually have the big
events, not at the San JoseConvention Center, because
that's usually for likesomething smaller, like SDC.
Moscone Center is a lot biggerfor like a big keynote type

(15:29):
event, and so it looks like thisdoes make a lot of sense.
The Galaxy S24 Ultra wasunveiled last year on January
17th.
This is like five days later,which makes a lot of sense,
right?
I mean, you know you kind ofexpect this.
And the Galaxy Z Fold 6 was onJuly 10th this year, and both of

(15:49):
those are on a Wednesday, andJanuary 22nd is also a Wednesday
, so that lines up with whatSamsung seems to do.
Max Jambore, he's a prettyreliable leaker as well, so we
really have no reason to disputethis at all, have no reason to
dispute this at all, and itseems to make a lot of sense

(16:11):
that this is going to be theofficial launch date.
So, as I said, if they doindeed run 7.1 out of the box,
samsung needs to hurry the heckup with the 7.0 beta right
Because like what I mean.
Samit wrote this again in thearticle because this is what
we've heard.
The new flagships will run 7.1out of the box.
But what new features is 7.1going to have if you don't even

(16:31):
have 7.0 out the door and it'snot stable?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
How are you going to add new features?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
to the next version.
It just doesn't make any sense,right?
It doesn't make any sense.
So I think they've got to get7.0 out the door.
This is pretty exciting.
I mean it looks like if theevent's in San Francisco, I will
be going.
We had some debate internally atSammy Guru about kind of how we
were going to cover the event,because I always have to do a
mystery box stuff as well.
So I don't know.

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Nicole might get some trainingon how to help me with that a
little bit.
My wife and, if it was in Korea,we didn't know if the event was
going to be in Korea or the U S.
If it was in Korea, I wasprobably going to send some meat
, because Korea is a lot closerto India than it is to the U S
and he could have gypped up, youknow, you know, jumped over
there and just covered it for us.
It would be a lot faster andprobably cheaper for me to send
him trained on how to handle allthe stuff we do on the launch

(17:17):
morning, because I can't live,tweet and take photos at the
launch event and do hands-on andalso handle all the mystery box
stuff.
I won't be able to do both atthe same time.
So I'll figure that out, butthis is encouraging news.

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What do you think, tor?
Are you excited now that weknow the official date?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I am.
I think it's going to be areally good launch.
I am a little worried about the7.1 versus 7.0.
Like I mean, we're kind ofgetting very close to a lot of
these dates and, you know, ifSamsung doesn't get that out

(18:08):
before at least the second weekof december, I mean this kind of
looks like it's like kind of awaste of time and energy to try
to get that out.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
yeah, it's like why don't we just call one ui 7.1
the next release, because 7.0 wejust couldn't get it stable and
then I mean, and then it'sgonna be right around the corner
, but I mean they definitelywill make a lot of samsung
enthusiasts mad if they're justlike oh well, the beta is not
going to actually launch in 2024.
We were wrong.
We're going to just push it outin the beginning of January,

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but it's going to be for 7.1.
Now you can get the 7.1 beta onyour S24, and then the stable
version will launch later thismonth on the S25.
Hey, that's what I might do.
I hey, that's what I might do.
I mean, they do need betatesters, but if they're not
happy with where it is, I don'treally know what else we could
do.
We do expect now that we alsoheard some more information.
That's about the Galaxy S25Slim.

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We're now hearing that the S25Slim could potentially also make
a surprise appearance at theUnpacked launch.
So last week we were talkingabout how we didn't know if it
was a good idea to delay it.
Maybe they listened to thepodcast.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think they listened to the podcast.
The people at Samsung Marketing.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
They could have been listening to the show, and
they're like Jeff and Tori madesome good points.
If you don't relaunch it inJanuary, then people may not
wait to purchase it and youmight not sell many units.
And then we heard a rumor inthe middle of this week that
some meat wrote up that the S25Slim could launch now, along its
other siblings, in January.
That would be very interesting.
That would make it interestingto see, I think.

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What's going to happen then,though, is that nobody's going
to buy the Galaxy S25.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Plus, that's my prediction?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
You think so.
If the Slim launches, alongwith all the other models in
January, on the 22nd of January,I don't think anybody will buy
the Plus anymore.
Because why I mean the Plus?
The only thing was it's got aslightly downgraded camera.
It's slightly smaller than theUltra, but not by a lot, and it
doesn't have the S Pen.

(19:55):
So if you want a phone that'salmost the same size as the
Ultra but doesn't have an S Pen,but you actually want the same
camera experience, that's whatthe s25 slim is supposed to be.
Why would I pay slightly lessto get a worse camera?
Because it's only going to belike a hundred dollars,
something difference between theplus and the slim?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I don't know like what do you think would be like
a good msrp for, yeah, goodpricing, let's actually have an
interesting question.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Let's think about that.
So last year I guess right, thes24 slot 799, the plus was 999
and the ultra is at 1299.
That's the starting prices.
So I'm thinking maybe if I weresamsung I'm gonna go 799 on the
base model.
I mean, they're not going tolower the prices.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
So I'm not gonna go to a fantasy land.
I was gonna say 899 for theplus, but that's not gonna
happen.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
let's not going to lower the prices, so I'm not
going to go to a fantasy land.
I was going to say $8.99 for theplus, but that's not going to
happen, let's not go to likewhat I wish would happen or what
people wish would happen,because that's never going to
happen.
Let's go $7.99, $9.99.
And then I don't want to go tooclose to either of these two
for the slim.
So what I'm going to do I don'tknow that Samsung would do this
, because I don't think they'veever done it before, but if it
were me, I would go $1,149.99for the Slim and then I'm going

(21:10):
to stay at $1,299 base price forthe S25 Ultra.
That's what I'm going to do,because my prediction too this
hasn't leaked out yet, but Ihave a prediction about the S25
Slim.
I think that, in addition to notgetting the S Pen, I think
Samsung still wants todifferentiate some features on
the Ultra.
I don't know that it's going toget one the anti-reflective

(21:32):
coating that the S25 Ultra has,which is a pretty awesome
feature.
It's one of my favorites on theS24 Ultra.
It's actually one of the thingsI missed when using, even
though I love the Z Fold SpecialEdition, I do love it.
The front screen is a lot morereflective than the S24 Ultra
because it doesn't have theanti-reflective coating.
That's one thing I do notice,and I also don't know that it's
going to get the brand newultra-wide angle sensor that the

(21:55):
S25 Ultra is getting.
We've heard it's going to getthe same primary camera.
No one ever said it was goingto get all the same cameras, so
they might not give it the sameultra wide.
If you're going to charge moremoney for something, you
obviously have to give peoplesome reasons why they would go
up.
If they don't want those things, that's fine.
But if you do, you've got totell people why you're charging
them more.
There has to be some reason, itcan't just be one thing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
There's got to be a few.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's what I think I'm thinking $799, $999,
$1149.99, and Again $799, $999,$1149.99, and $1299.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
What do you think, tori?
Yeah, no, I, you know, justthinking of like average
consumer.
You know I feel like one.
Obviously the enthusiasts aregoing to go for the ultra.
I think you're going toprobably get more of like, I
want to say, people who are intheir 20s and 30s.

(22:51):
They'll probably want to go forthat slim, because right now,
slim is like the fad right now,thin is in.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what the people say yeah,
yeah, yeah, thin is in.
That's what I wrote in one ofthe articles I wrote about it.
I said if thin is in, then theS25 Slim is where it's at.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I do think they're going to get that group
of people.
So I think that is a fairenough price because, like you
said, they're not going to godown and they're not going to
want to cannibalize sales of theother three phones.
So I think that group of peopleare going to bend towards that
phone and also they'll probablygo for the Plus as well.

(23:25):
And then you're going to haveyour regular Joe Schmoes who
just want the latest phone toget the base model you know for
that price.
And again, we also have tothink about at least me having
AT&T.
A lot of people like thefinancing options.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh, people love the financing options.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, you know, and like people just flock towards
AT&T every single time.
I mean they have like gooddeals, you know, for trading in.
At&t does have good deals.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
The thing is, you know a lot of people and I see
this a lot, actually in theblogging community.
It's interesting they bring itup Every time someone releases a
new phone, whether it beSamsung or Apple.
I always see like an articleabout how you absolutely
shouldn't, you know, buy yourphone on a plan from AT&T,
because there's all this, likeyou know, hidden language and
there is some for theirtrade-ins.
But if you understand it, it isactually a good deal.
They're just trying to getclicks and they're just trying

(24:16):
to optimize.
They just want to get in theGoogle Now feed, just like we do
at Sammy Guru, so they can makemoney.
They're a website and I get it.
I own a website that coverstech.
I understand the strategybehind that, but here's the
truth though.
I mean, if you understandwhat's going on, it's not
actually that bad of a deal.
Usually, when AT&T launches apromo for the new Galaxy phones,
they typically have a dealwhere you can trade in almost

(24:38):
any phone and save $800 to$1,000 off the new Galaxy.
I literally one one yearbecause I wanted to buy one of
the base models and I have anat&t line and I didn't really
want to buy it outright becauseI didn't really need the unlock
model because I wasn't going touse it for a lot.
I just wanted to use it for avideo and I traded in like a
phone I bought on ebay for like30 and at&t gave me 900.

(25:00):
I only paid 99 for galaxy s22 Ithink it was the s22 launch
that's not a bad deal.
Now, of course, the fine printis you have to stay locked into
that contract with at&t yeah,for two to three years, and if
you don't, then you can owe themsome of that money back.
But if you're planning to staywith at&t anyway and that's not
a problem for you, like it's nota big deal you're going to stay

(25:21):
with at&.
You're not planning on movingto somewhere where AT&T might
not work.
There's those things toconsider.
But, like, if you're in asituation where you're like I
live where I live, at&t serviceworks great, why is it a bad
deal?
I find those articles aresensationalized.
I would never write thosearticles, I mean even to promote
, like, if I wanted to promoteMint Mobile over AT&T or
something, I still wouldn'twrite that because it's not true

(25:43):
.
I mean, it's not a terribledeal.
It could be a very good dealand AT&T usually offers one of
the best deals, because all theother carriers, while they do
trade-ins, they don't let youtrade in anything.
I mean, basically, at&t, aslong as it's a smartphone made
since like 2012 and it powers on, they'll give you, like, the
maximum trade-in for it.
You don't need, like, a brandnew iPhone Galaxy S24 Ultra and

(26:07):
I do want to do a shameless plugso we can make some money,
because I'm not trying to dodishonest things.
But I will tell you or remindyou again if you do want to buy
Galaxy S25 through AT&T, youdon't have to go to AT&T's
website to get their trade-indeal you can go to samsungcom
using our link.
Get our savings, because we'regoing to have a discount code
that will allow you to saveextra money on Samsung this year

(26:29):
.
A promo code they're making aspecial one for us, for Sammy
Guru, and you'll be able toclaim our mystery box and you'll
be able to get AT&T's trade-indeal.
You just click on Carrier AT&T,add whatever you want to the
cart.
It'll take you through AT&T'strade-in process.
You'll be able to send thephone to AT&T once you get it
from Samsung and they'll giveyou the trade-in.
I actually did it throughSamsung when I bought mine as

(26:50):
well, so then you also get somefree accessories.
You save more money.
No-transcript.
If I'm not dishonestly writingarticles like these other sites,

(27:10):
I have to try to make somemoney out of the mystery boxes,
which is how we do it.
But yeah, that's a great point.
I mean I think it'll beinteresting.
I don't think Samsung honestlywill do $50 increments.
So I don't think $11.59, $11.49is probably not going to happen
.
It probably is going to be.
Unfortunately, if they have topick between $10.99 and $11.99,

(27:30):
they're just going to go to$11.99 because they know a lot
of people do use the financingoption.
And the thing about using thefinancing options is, if you do
use the financing option, it'snot as obvious when it costs an
extra $100.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, because you're just paying.
It's woven into the bill.
Yeah, over 36 months.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
$100 up front is only an extra like $2.50 a month.
That's nothing.
People are like, oh, $2.50extra per payment.
I mean, of course I'll just getit, no problem, no big deal.
So, yeah, you know, if they hadto, of course they're going to
go $1,199.
So that would be my guess.
If I had to bet my own money,I'd go $799, $999, $1,199, and

(28:13):
$1,299.
No-transcript because, rememberthe snapdragon 8 elite we heard
there's going to be someshortages of that, potentially
because of their issues with armthat we talked about before.
If that happens, they couldbump the s25 ultra up to 13.99.

(28:39):
That would suck.
I hope I hope for the sake ofeverybody who wants to buy one
that that doesn't happen, but itcould.
Let's see what other greatstories we have.
I have a few other couple here.
We talked last week about thetrifold that's coming, and
potentially soon.
We got another leak internallyfrom Samsung this week that we
wrote up saying that the trifoldis on pace now for a 2025

(29:02):
release, so you may not need towait long for it.
Huawei released their trifoldis on pace now for a 2025
release, so you may not need towait long for it while we
release their trifold this yearand samsung said well, hey, we
can't let anybody get too farahead, uh, especially those
chinese companies, becausethey're already beating us on
regular foldables in a lot ofmarkets.
Uh, we got to push it out nextyear.
So potentially, when it comestime for july yeah, next year,
july foldable galaxy z launch webe talking I could be holding

(29:25):
the first Samsung trifold.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
The new luxury, yeah, and who knows how much that
will cost.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I mean the Huawei Mate XT, which is their trifold.
If you want to import into theUS, it's even more expensive
than the Z Fold Special EditionFive grand to import to the US.
That's because it's from Chinaand they're charging mad import
tax.
Fl.
So that's because it's fromChina and they're charging mad
import tax.
Flossy Carter, he bought one,imported it and did an unboxing
on his channel.
The software is absolutegarbage, so definitely don't buy

(29:51):
it.
It doesn't really run GoogleApps out of the box because
Huawei is restricted from reallyworking with Google directly by
the US government.
The US government made it sothat, basically, Huawei not only
can't sell phones here or haveanything to do with hardware
here, they also can't even usesoftware from US partners.
That's how hard the USgovernment sanctioned Huawei

(30:12):
back in I think it was 2017,2018.
So yeah.
I mean I would never import thatphone.
People ask me would you importit?
No, because I could never makemy five grand back.
I'd basically be lighting$5,000 on fire If I was going to
import that.
I'll just take my money down tothe casino and I'll put my
money on black and roulette all$5,000.

(30:33):
At least then I have a chance todouble my money.
If it comes up black, I'm goingto go home with $10,000.
Because if I buy the HuaweiMate XT, I'm just giving away
$5,000.
If I buy the Huawei Mate XT,I'm just giving away five grand.
And reselling it is not goingto be easy either.
The Z Fold Special Edition, Ican almost guarantee you,
because this next Fold doesn'tcome out for a while.
If I wanted to, now I don't.
I plan on keeping this phonebecause I like it and of course

(30:55):
I am the Sammy guru.
Why would I want to get rid ofit?
And I?
There's so few of them in theUS.
I don't have to keep it andlose money because people want
Samsung products and they're nothard to resell, something like
that.
Galaxy users can now double tapto send heart reactions in

(31:20):
Google Messages Uh-oh.
So now you can double tap thisto heart gesture inside Google
Messages.
This is something, of course,iphones have with iMessage for a
long time.
You cannot customize thedefault reaction though, so
that's something you can dothere.
Now this is important forGalaxy users.
You might ask why are wecovering this on a Samsung
podcast?
Well, because Google Messagesis now the default on all

(31:42):
Samsung phones in the US and alot of people.
I made a video talking abouthow Google is bringing some
other features they're bringinglike high-quality image sending
as well to Google Messages andhow that could end up spelling
the end for Samsung Messages asan app everywhere.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I think it's going down.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
And all these people are like, oh well, I still have
Samsung messages in Europe andeverywhere and blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, for now I mean, I don'twant to be mean, but they
usually start their rollout ofanything big in Korea and the US
first, and then it tricklesdown everywhere else.
So if you like it, don't gettoo excited about it.
It doesn't mean they're goingto be able to use it forever or
they're going to maintain it.
It's on here too, this Koreanphone, I will say.
But it's on here too, thisKorean phone, I will say, this

(32:24):
one comes preloaded with Samsungmessages, so not Google
messages.
So maybe you will kind of havethe option a little bit longer
to use Samsung messages in othercountries, but they probably
are going to go in the directionof Google messages eventually,
particularly in the US.
For sure it's coming BecauseRCS is not fully supported in
Samsung messages and they don'twant to build the support here

(32:44):
in the US for all the differentcarriers, Because carrier
compatibility takes a lot ofwork, it takes a lot of money to
invest and they just don't wantto spend.
They're like Google already hasa messaging app.
We're already partners withGoogle.
Why do we want to spendmillions and millions of dollars
to get the RCS certified towork with Samsung Messages with
Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T.
You've got to get certifiedwith each carrier.

(33:05):
Just let Google handle it.
They already did it.
So in the US, for sure it'sgoing this way, but everywhere
else it might as well, becausethey might not want to keep
maintaining Samsung messages forcertain regions only.
I can see that happening.
But this is pretty cool.
It would be nice if they wouldmake it more customizable so you
could change the defaultreaction.
Do you use the double tap?
Do you like the double?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
tap gesture.
Yeah, you know, becauseactually when I was looking at
that screenshot there, I waslike oh, that looks just like my
phone.
I really like it and I enjoy it.
And I actually do like wheneverI get like a heart or like some
other reaction and it does likesome animation on a screen.
It just kind of like emulatesthe feeling that you get like on

(33:48):
facebook and I feel like that'swhat a lot of people, um, are
kind of accustomed accustomed tonow like in terms of messaging,
because you got it on instagram, got on tiktok and stuff like
that, just like the harding anddifferent stuff.
So I this is a really good stepin the right direction now that
we are starting to get that rcssupport.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It's important for the kids.
Tori is not a kid anymore, but Imean, it is important for the
younger people.
I think they really care a lotabout this, so it's probably a
good thing that Samsung is doingit.
Another thing that Google isbringing to the Android side
that's going to trickle down toGalaxy users.
This is a really important oneas well.
This could stop people fromgetting catfished or scammed as
easily.
It's called Android System KeyVerifier, and what it does is

(34:30):
when you're talking to someonein your contacts.
When you add someone to yourcontacts, each of you will scan
a QR code, so you'll scan onefor the other person when you
put them in your contacts, andwhat will happen is it will
basically log a key, anencryption key, on your phone
that tells you as you do yourconversation, because, of course
, when you have a conversationwith someone over Google

(34:53):
Messages, this is only going towork with Google Messages as
well.
So if you're a Samsung messageuser, don't listen for a few
seconds and then come back, ifyou like Samsung messages, but
don't go away.
Definitely make sure you comeback in like two minutes when
we're done talking about this.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Go get a soda, yeah, so basically you'll scan it and
it stores the information aboutwho that device is and all that
like their phone number, allthat information.
So basically what will happenis if you scan this with the new
system key verifier, later, ifthat person changes their phone
or something about theirlocation and their phone pattern
changes over time, it'll alertyou to the fact that they could
not maybe not be the person thatyou originally logged that
conversation with in yourcontacts and it'll alert you and

(35:35):
say, hey, their device haschanged or something about.
Something strange has changedabout this other person that
you've been talking to.
You want to verify it's thesame person.
So this could be very important, you know, for people trying to
like catfish.
You either like for arelationship to get money or,
you know, just people trying tolike impersonate someone else to
try to scam.
You Like people try to do thatwhere it's like you know, hi,

(35:58):
it's me Kathy, like you know,and you're like I don't know
Kathy.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
You know what I mean, so Idon't know.
Kathy, sarah, john, sue, I meanthe easiest solution to this to
me, which obviously I do thisanyway.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
but I mean, some people are, I guess, are not
this standoffish.
I don't talk to anybody who'snot in my contacts anyway, so
this will fix that I'm the same.
This will fix that right there,because I mean, obviously
someone else could get thatperson's phone, I guess, and try
to catfish you and this willstop that.
Yeah, person's phone.
I guess and try to catfish youand this will stop that.
But I mean from the standpointof like someone new doing it,
just not talking to anybody thatyou don't have saved will

(36:31):
automatically fix that for themost part, but this is an extra
layer of security.
I think it'd be mainly veryuseful for, like, older people
who are the targets of thesekind of scams, like your parents
, your grandparents.
Maybe not you this might not bea feature that necessarily
matters for you a ton, but Ithink the fact that Google is
trying to improve things a lot,I think that's always important

(36:52):
to try to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, no, I like it.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
What else we got here ?
Oh, the Samsung photo editorgot an update.
I just posted a video on thistoday.
This is a pretty nice update.
The photo editor inside thegallery on Samsung phones now
has an update that brings twonew features.
You can now save your sketchedimage results individually.
So before, samsung had,unfortunately, a very bad UI.

(37:18):
Whenever you use Galaxy Eye todo a sketched image on one of
your photos, it would give you abunch of choices.
But then if you selected one ofthose choices and you wanted to
save it as a copy so like,let's say, I take a picture of a
landscape and I draw a bird,and it generates like four
pictures with different birds itwould let you pick one of those
to save.
But once you pick that one, theother options would go away, so

(37:40):
you couldn't save more than one, and so now with the new photo
editor, you have a littledownload button that's on each
of the options, so if I like allfour of them, I can go ahead
and grab all four and save themto my gallery.
So it's a nice feature.
This is something that I thinka lot of people were annoyed by
when sketched image first cameout.
If you use it.
It's annoying.
You can choose more than one.
And then they also added a newlab section to the photo editor

(38:04):
where now you can create yourcustom stickers manually and I
use this a lot because Jonathanloves it.
What you can do is you can takea photo Like I can take a photo
of a dinosaur from the internetand you can use your S Pen or
your finger to draw around thedinosaur and cut it out, and
then you can save that as acustom sticker.
Oh, that would be cool and youcan use it later as a custom
emoji or sticker.
You can put it on your photos.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
You can use it in emojis when you're talking.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
So, like you know, jonathan likes me to take a
picture of a dinosaur and apicture of him, and I can cut it
out so it looks like thedinosaur is next to him, roaring
at him, whatever.
So it's kind of a fun feature.
And now you can actually selectthe area manually, because
previously you had to just drawaround the thing and it would
automatically snap to the areausing ai.

(38:48):
But sometimes you don'tnecessarily like what the ai
chose.
It chooses, so you can nowmanually do it.
Of course, you're going to getmore trial and error if you do
it manually, because you'regoing to miss probably miss some
of the key areas, but you canstill use uh ai to clean it up
as well.
So this is.
I don't know, tori, if you everused stickers on your Galaxy
phone at all.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like once or twice but like, not like consistently.
But I mean I know for like theyounger kids or teens they like
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I think it's a really cool feature.
I think it's something that theyounger kids will actually
enjoy.
It's something I like justbecause, obviously, since I have
kids, it's something that Ilike.
For that reason, my kids enjoyit.
What was the other?
There's one other couple morefeatured things I want to talk
about.
Oh, I know, here it is thisstory right here.
This, unfortunately I mean thisis not a political podcast, but

(39:42):
you know, we had the electionhere in the US.
Samsung's electronic shares hadtheir worst performance in two
decades in the last quarter hereand it's kind of dropped to an
all-time low 4.5% in the lasttrading session, a little over
11% in the last five days.
This was something we wrote onthe 14th of November and it's

(40:05):
partially because of their chipbusiness, and there was some
rumblings that the newadministration coming in in
January here in the US are goingto halt advanced chip shipments
to China, which would, ofcourse, impact Samsung in some
way, because this would kind ofhurt their collaboration with

(40:27):
TSMC and some of the other chipmanufacturers who help them
manufacture some of their ownchips.
Obviously, it wouldn't reallyimpact their situation with
Qualcomm, but it wouldn't impactthe S25.
But this is potentially what'sdriving down their shares.
I usually don't talk a whole lotabout the financial side of
Samsung because this is notreally the focus on this podcast

(40:48):
, but it is important because,of course, if the company has
really bad financial performance, a whole lot about the
financial side of Samsung,because this is not really the
focus on this podcast.
But it is important because, ofcourse, if the company has
really bad financial performance, there might not be a Samsung
one day If it keeps happeningforever.
We want them to continue beingsuccessful.
They're down 36% year-to-date.
So if you invest $100 inSamsung on January 1st, you
would have $64 of that $100 left.

(41:08):
It's not great, but I imaginethis is going to rebound.
This is a lot to do with theirchip business.
Of course, we'll have to seewhat the current administration
does.
We don't actually know untilthey get in there.
This is all based on rumor.
Hopefully this doesn't end upbeing impacted in the way.
Obviously, the market's justpredicting based on what they
expect to happen at this point,but we'll see.
So obviously, we want Samsungto kick it up a notch, go in the

(41:31):
positive direction, not thenegative direction.
I just wanted to mention thisbecause this is another story
that we shared.
People were asking about whytheir shares were down, and
that's actually why it's becauseof the chip business Not really
anything to do with the mobilephone business at all.
And then one last story beforewe go to the break here and come
back for hardware You'll soonbe able to unlock select Audis

(41:52):
with your Galaxy phone.
So this is a good story for me.
We wrote this up mainly becauseI saw it and I was excited.
I was like, oh yeah, I'll beable to do it on my SQ8.
But it turns out one, the SQ8is not on the initial model list
.
And two, it's only rolling outto Europe first.
It'll be coming to the US laternext year.
It's always the story withthese kind of things.

(42:15):
I've been waiting for theability to unlock my Audi with
my Galaxy phone usingultra-wideband for the last two
years, because they saideventually.
They said like in 2022, thiswould eventually happen, and now
it's going to take three yearsin the end for it to roll out.
It's not even rolling out tothe US.
So if you own a Q6, e-tron, a6e-tron or Audi A5, then it will
be rolling out to those first,and it will be in Europe, which

(42:37):
is going to be Germany.
Let me see here what are theother countries.
Yeah, germany and a couple ofother countries in, like
Scandinavia, and then it will becoming to the US and other
regions starting in 2025.
So hopefully it comes to theSQ8 eventually, because I really
would love to be able to unlockmy car with my phone.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
That'd be really awesome.
Do you just hold it up?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, because it uses ultra wideband, basically the
computer in the car.
You just hold it up to the dooras soon as actually, really, if
you get close enough, get closeenough with your standing there
, it'll just unlock, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Maybe it's at the auto.
Unlock the Rivian does that theRivian also.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Tesla does that too, like our Rivian that we have,
but that's all done through theRivian app.
It's not done with aphone-specific deal, but also
the downside of that is, atleast in my opinion, the Rivian
doesn't run Android Auto overthe Rivian software because it
uses Google Maps and all thatstuff.
Some people say, oh well, teslaand Rivian have their own
software and it's way better.
Not necessarily.

(43:32):
Some of the things about theTesla software and Rivian
software is okay and I like theRivian, we like our Rivian, but
their maps are terrible.
They use Amazon map data andthey use Alexa for their voice
assistant.
It's not as good as Google.
Sometimes it takes you routesthat are like what is you know?
Why are we going this way?
It's like you could even likesometimes I put it on just to
see what it will say.

(43:52):
Like if I'm going somewhere, Iknow how to get there.
I'd be like why is it taking me?
Like way out of the way.
Like I could just go much moredirect.
So if you know, if you don't, Iturned Google Maps on my phone.
There you go, instead ofunfortunately using Alexa on the
in-car, which sucks because theRivian has like a 20-inch
touchscreen.
I know, I think it's crazy,it's huge, it's huge, and so, of

(44:13):
course, I'd literally use themaps there, but it might take me
20 extra minutes to get to mydestination.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
No, it will.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Anyway, second half of the show come back.
We're going to talk Z FoldSpecial Edition.
I got a whole lot of stuff tosay about that and any other
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All right, everybody, we're backand in the second half of the
show we're going to talk alittle bit about Z Fold Special
Edition, and it is a veryspecial edition indeed.
Just to kind of talk about thisa little bit, tori, I'll tell
you a little bit about it andthen you can kind of ask any

(45:54):
questions.
And you already got to see it,but I'll hand it to you.
So the cover screen is wider onthe front than the Z Fold 6,
which, for me, is actually thebiggest, most important change.
I think I've always went backto my S Ultra phones because
this cover screen is just notwide enough.
I think I told you that when Iused the Z Fold 6 in July.
I can't use it as my main phonebecause when I'm typing on the

(46:17):
go, I can't write emails, Ican't interact with my
subscribers, the readers onSammy Guru.
If I'm writing a tweet orwhatever a post, people keep
telling me I need to startcalling it X.
No, I'm not.
I don't care, I'm going to callit Twitter until it's been X for
at least five years.
So we got at least like anotherthree and a half years before
I'll start calling it X.

(46:37):
Anyway, you know, I can easilywrite out my tweets.
I can answer emails, messages alot more comfortably with my
one hand, you know, and for thatreason I think this is a huge
leap forward.
Just, you know off that.
But that's not the only change.
It's also a heck of a lotthinner.
We actually compared this toTori's S22 Ultra.

(46:58):
He has it in a case.
If you put it up the sideprofile next to your S22 Ultra,
if you don't have a case on thefold, it's almost as thin as the
S22 ultra with a case on top ofit.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
And so you know, I just don't use foldable cases
either, because you know they wetalked about this before but
they have that sticky adhesiveyou have to stick on the front
and I don't like it, cause thenwhen I want to switch, I always
like to switch cases, or I don't.
You know, sometimes at home Idon't like to use a case.
I got to peel the adhesive off.
It comes off the case, it'sstuck to display.
It's just not, you know,particularly great experience.

(47:32):
Of course, I'm always paranoid.
I'm going to drop this andbreak it, especially since this
is a $3,000 phone I importedfrom another country.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
That it is.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
And that's not necessarily ideal.
If I, if you are a case person.
However, if you guys didn't seemy unboxing, you should check
it out.
The phone does come with a case.
We have the box right here onthe podcast table.
It is a massive box compared tothe Z Fold 6.
The Z Fold 6 comes in like atiny, skinny, thin box and on
the front of this one it's got areally nice packaging.
Let me clear this up too and sayto all these people in my
YouTube comments they'llprobably never listen to this,
but I don't care.
I don't care what theparticular pronunciation of

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embossed is Someone's like.
It's not embossed or embosed.
It's embose, not embossed.
I don't care, it's not anEnglish class.
If I wanted to teach English Iwould have got a PhD in English.
Now we've done that for aliving.
So this has, on the front, atextured version of the phone

(48:38):
actually printed on it, and Ithink I mispronounced the word
in the video, and so all thesepeople are commenting on there.
You can feel it.
Feel the texture, because it'sgot the line texture that's on
the box itself.
Beautiful presentation on thebox.
It comes with a leather case Onthe inside.
I have it over there actually,but the phone kind of pops out
when you pop this up.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
It kind of lifts it out.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
You've got a charger in the box which we don't get
with the regular phones thatSamsung makes.
That obviously would beappreciated, Greatly appreciated
In the future.
Everybody would like a charger.
And then it comes with thatcase.
That case is usually like $70to $80 if you have to buy it
when you buy the regular foldsor flips or whatever, because
it's a leather one.
I've got it over there.
It's nice.
If I used fold cases I wouldprobably slap it on here.

(49:17):
I slapped it on for a minute,but it also kind of takes away
from the special editionexperience because this one is
so thin.
But if I put a case on it now,it's just basically as thick as
the C46, though it doesn'treally give me any of the
benefits of the thinness.
But yeah, I mean the thinnessand the lightness.
I would say it's only threegrams lighter than the Fold 6.

(49:38):
So the lightness you don'treally notice too much.
I held those two of both in myhand.
It's about the same.
But the thinness is definitely.
If you put them side by side aswell, you'll notice this is a
lot thinner.
And if you open it when it'sunfolded, it's super thin when
unfolded, like the profile here.
When it's unfolded, very, verythin.
But a lot of people ask me, youknow, does it feel flimsy?
No, this thing feels premium.

(49:58):
Tori, get and hold it again.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Just tell us what you think what phone, the length of
the phone, like it fits verycomfortably, like in the palm of
your hand.
You can definitely reach uhacross and not feel like you're
having a stretch.
Uh, it feels good even, uh, ifyou were going to be typing with
both hands.
Um, when you open it up, uh, itlike the crease is not as

(50:33):
noticeable yeah, I was gonnamention that too.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
It doesn't look bad, right, it looks a lot better
than the fold six.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
A lot better because you saw the full six, two and a
half yeah I did, yeah, no, itjust feels good overall and
honestly, and uh, the back has anice uh finish, uh, and it just
everything about it.
Uh, I, I mean, I really enjoyum, looking at what I'm, what
I'm holding right here, uh, andit is significantly, at least in

(50:59):
my opinion, slimmer um than theuh the six.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So yeah it's.
It's a lot nicer.
It's got a texture on the back.
Let's see if we can get alittle sound here.
It sounds like that.
It's got a line texture on theback, a little ASMR.
We're doing a little.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
ASMR here.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
But it feels nice.
People are like well, if it'slighter, it must feel cheaper.
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
It doesn't feel cheaper, no, it feels solid.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I don't know what material is like the casing.
Uh, do you know what the Ithink this one's still using
like steel and aluminum?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
not using I don't think it's using titanium.
Oh yeah, yeah, it feels goodlike good presentation.
That is I.
I liked it.
Uh, honestly, if we were to getthat over here in the us, I
think people would probably whoprobably haven't already jumped
the gun to get a foldable I cansee some people trying to go for
it.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Now, the one material that is different because you
asked about the materials is weno longer have the UTG, the
ultra-thin glass on the insidedisplay, which we had on the
fold.
We now have the UFG, which isbasically the ultra-flexible
glass.
It's a different kind ofmaterial, which is basically the
ultra-flexible glass.
It's a different kind ofmaterial which also does give

(52:12):
you.
There's some debate aboutwhether or not this will be a
little more durable.
So far, I mean, people areasking me like is it more
durable?
Can you notice scratches oranything?
I'm not going to drop it orpurposely scratch this phone.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So $3,000.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'll leave that to somebody else who just destroys
tech, like TechRacks or one ofthe other YouTubers.
Yeah, one of those guys who justdestroyed it.
They'll probably buy one and doit, but that's not my lane.
I like to cover content on howthe phone works and performance
and stuff.
We want to use this to continuemaking videos and keep making
content in the long run for thelife of the phone.
So I'm not going to scratch itup and beat it up Of course not,

(52:44):
but I mean just using it day today.
I've noticed no scratches butto be honest, I never had a
problem with the ultra-thinglass.
I will say a couple things.
It does feel a little bit lesssolid with the haptic feedback
you know the vibration feedbackyou get like when you press the
keys.
It doesn't feel quite as strongas on the Z Fold 6.

(53:07):
That's probably because of thethinness and also maybe because
of the switch from the UTG tothe UFG on the inside of the
main display Not a huge deal,though it's not like it's a
massive difference, it justseems like a little bit.
I tried them side by side, liketrying one and the other,
because I have the Z Fold 6, andI noticed that the other thing
is because of the thinness.
At least I'm assuming this isprobably why the audio, if you

(53:29):
play it over the speaker, is notquite as full sounding, with as
much bass, as when you do the ZFold 6.
I did those side by side in thevideo comparison.
I did, and if you listen to thevideo you can definitely hear Z
Fold 6 sounds a little fuller,a little more bass, heavy,
probably because of the thinnessof this particular profile when
it's unfolded.
I mean, the speakers on the ZFold 6 also weren't the best

(53:50):
sounding in the smartphone world, so Samsung needs to improve
that.
Anyway, they definitely need toimprove the speaker array on
the Fold, but these ones are alittle bit of a step below in my
opinion.
And then the other thing that'sa little bit concerning, while
I'm talking about concerns, isif you look at a video on
YouTube and you watch it becausethe inner display no longer has

(54:13):
the under display camera,you're going to notice something
pretty unfortunate and I'mgoing to show it to you, tori,
and you can tell me what youthink about it.
If you watch a video on YouTube, you're going to see that guy
right there in the middle ofyour video.
The camera is going to be rightin the middle of your video.
There's going to be a littlecamera hole right there and
sometimes it can get in themiddle of your content.

(54:35):
Depending on what's on thescreen, you could have a
situation where that hole is alittle annoying.
Now we're watching an MKBH DS24Ultra review from January right
now and his content is mostlycentered in the middle of the
frame, so it doesn't really getinvolved with a lot of the main
stuff here.
But depending on what you'rewatching, it can cause a little
problem.
So, uh, I don't know and thatreally depends on you.

(54:59):
Know, if it bothers you, I willsay, after having it for a
little while and watchingcontent on it for a few days, it
doesn't bother me that much.
But it's still not as nice asthe Z Fold 6 because it has the
under display camera.
So basically when you watch avideo it basically fades away
because it's under the display,so the camera's not activated.
That's why they put thetechnology there.
But because they wanted to getrid of the ultra thin glass to

(55:21):
make it thinner, use the UFGthey couldn't figure out how to
do the thinness and also keepthe under-display camera at the
same time, because they didn'tplay nicely enough together to
get good picture quality.
So they didn't have a choicefor now.
So that is definitely apossible concern.
Other shortcomings althoughthis really depends on the
person again as well, s Pendoesn't work.

(55:43):
We talked about that before.
This one doesn't have S Pensupport at all.
You can't use it on the maindisplay or the cover display,
and I tested all the Samsung SPens.
People want to know can you usethe one from the S Pen for
Ultra?
No.
Can you use the one that's madefor the Fold?
No.
Can you use the S Pen Pro no.
Can you use the S Pen CreatorEdition Also no, I have all four
of them.

(56:03):
I tested every single S Pen onboth and I probably could have
ended up damaging my displayfrom doing that because they
tell you not to do it, but I didit anyway.
I did that for science.
Even though I'm not going topurposely scratch my display
with like a nail or something, Iwanted to try that just to let
you guys know definitively no SPen support.
So those are some pretty.
Depending on who you are, thosecould be sizable drawbacks.

(56:26):
The lack of the under displaycamera, which can sometimes
influence, you know, you know,interrupt your content a little
bit.
The haptics and the speakerbeing a little less full, a
little bit lit, you know, thevibrations a little bit less
heavy and the bass a little bitless heavy in the audio.
And then the s-pin now workingof course, is also a thing, but

(56:48):
I mean, keep in mind, you get awider cover display, which also
means the inner display is alsoa lot bigger than the Z Fold 6.
And if you look at mycomparison video between them,
it is noticeably bigger whenyou're doing multitasking, you
know, because of course you canopen three different apps at one
time.
On the Galaxy phones, right,you can open as many as three in

(57:10):
multi-window and if you open upthree apps in multi-window on
here, you definitely get a lotmore real estate on those top
app.
Like if you want to watch avideo at the top or you want to
answer emails, you get a lotmore real estate at the top on
the Z Fold Special Editionversus the Z Fold 6.
Now, if you don't use dark mode,I use dark mode.

(57:30):
The camera might also botheryou because if you use light
mode, the camera can be a littledistracting.
In fact, I'll turn it on.
You can see it really quickly.
If you turn off dark mode.
Let's go into display and turnit off.
You're going to notice thecamera a little bit more, so let
me turn this off.
Where is dark mode?
Sometimes doing things behindthe camera is a little bit, uh,

(57:55):
harder than you might think.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Now, what happened to dark.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh, there it is.
I'm paying attention, so lookif you have light mode on you
see how the camera there is.
Definitely there, is definitelythere.
And like if you're doingmultitasking, like I had before,
like if you have light mode on,you see how the camera there is
definitely there, and like ifyou're doing multitasking, like
I had before, like if you haveall these open and it's in light
mode, well, now you can see thecamera holds right in the
middle of my Gmail search bar,but I mean, let's be honest, you

(58:21):
shouldn't be using dark mode.
You should be using dark mode.
You shouldn't be using lightmode in 2024.
Everybody should be using darkmode.
You shouldn't be using lightmode in 2024.
Everybody should be using darkmode.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
So if you're not using dark, mode.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Now is the right time to jump on board if you get a Z
Fold Special Edition, becauseit doesn't look bad at all with
dark mode.
And it usually doesn't get tooinvolved with the content, so
that's not something that reallybothered me.
Exceptionally so I would say Ilike it a lot better than the Z
Fold 6.
Exceptionally so, I would say Ilike it a lot better than the z

(58:52):
fold six.
Um I, of the shortcomings Imentioned, the s pen is
definitely my biggest one.
The under display camera thinghasn't bothered me too much.
I got used to it.
With watching video, batterylife is about rip, close it's.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
It's a little bit worse because the screen's
bigger if you use the mainscreen a lot yeah battery life
might be a little worse um buthow much of an average charge,
or how long screen on time?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
yeah, yeah uh, probably about five hours.
With this I get about six,probably, though on the fold six
, so it's about an hour less.
But you have a bigger display.
So I mean, and it's the samebattery, so they couldn't fit a
bigger battery in, because ofcourse all these people on my
videos are like we want a biggerbattery in there.
Why didn't they get it?
It's thinner.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, it's thinner.
That's not how physicsnecessarily works.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And then also, if you try to climb a bigger battery
in there and it's thinner, youmight have thermal problems and
you don't want it blowing uplike the Note 7.
I understand you want a biggerbattery, but you've got to give
them some time to get thebattery tech there.
If you also want a thinner fold, Like some people are like,
well, I don't want a thinnerfold Well, a lot of people do
and that's the way it's trending, so you might as well deal with
it.
Samsung's not going to make athicker fold.
They're not going to come outwith like oh, we made this fold.

(59:52):
That looks like a dictionarybut it has a 20,000 milliamp
battery.
That's not going to happen.
So if you want a 20-poundfoldable battery, you're just
going to have to keep hopingbecause it's never going to
happen.
It's never going to happen,that's just not happening.
But I love it.
I love this thing, man.
I mean, if it wasn't for theS-Pen support not working, it

(01:00:14):
would be almost complete.
And I haven't talked about themost important upgrade, in my
opinion, for most people thatthey've wanted on the Fold.
Even people are like oh, Idon't need a bigger cover screen
.
I heard that a lot in thecomments when I made this.
They're like oh, I like the ZFold 6 screen.
That's fine, and that's not me.

(01:00:34):
I like the this.
This actually makes it usablefor me.
I can't use the Z Fold 6 as mymain phone.
The wider cover screen heremakes it usable.
But the one thing that everybodywants better camera.
And this one has the 200megapixel sensor, main sensor
from the S24 Ultra, and it isvery, very good.
I did some comparisons to the ZFold 6.
In low light situations thisperforms way better than the Z
Fold 6.
I'm going to make a video withthe S24 Ultra as well this week.

(01:00:58):
I'm working on that, comparingthe camera shots.
I got to go out and take a fewmore shots, but it's on the
level of the S24 Ultra.
In terms of the primary sensor,now, of course, the downside is,
no, you don't get an upgradedultra-wide or zoom sensor.
You still only get 3x zoom onthis, which is unfortunate.
But I think we all agree thatthe primary sensor was the main

(01:01:19):
problem on the Z Fold 6.
And now it has a real flagshipcamera on a super expensive
foldable which it should havehad in the first place.
They finally put the realflagship camera in a super
expensive foldable, which itshould have had in the first
place.
They finally put the real, youknow, flagship camera in their
flagship fold, and that's whatpeople have been asking for for
a long time.
So would I be happy to if thiswere the Z Fold 7 in July next

(01:01:43):
year, if they just basicallyslapped a 7 on this, crossed out
the SE off this box, put a 7there and shipped the same phone
?
Yes and no.
Yes because it is a massiveimprovement over the Z Fold 6.
But no because it still hasplenty of shortcomings that they
could address over the nextnine months and it would be very

(01:02:03):
disappointing to see them justput out the same exact phone
that they released as a specialrelease in another market.
The things that I think theycould easily fix.
I think S Pen support can befixed.
I think they have the time.
I think they have that in thepipeline.
Most likely I think theunder-display camera thing can
be fixed, because I thinkfiguring out how to get that to
work with the UFG should befixable, hopefully, within that
time frame.

(01:02:23):
Or here's a crazy idea Just getrid of the camera on the main
display.
You don't need it, becausehere's the thing.
Why do you need this camera onthe main display?
You don't Because on the GalaxyZ Fold you have flip mode.
If you want to take a videocall, you can just flip it over

(01:02:50):
and you can have your video callon this screen using the
primary camera, which looks waybetter.
You can use the main 200megapixel camera as your, as
your, webcam.
I don't ever take video calls.
People are like well, you needit for video calls?
No, you don't.
I don't ever use it because itsucks.
Even on the Z Fold 6, the underdisplay camera sucks.
It's awful, so I don't ever useit.
When I'm talking to like my mom.
She's talking to the kids.
I don't call her on the maindisplay, I use the front display
.
Use the flip mode, use thecamera here to take my video
calls, and you can do that.
You can do it with Google meet,um.

(01:03:11):
So I don't really know why.
You know, obviously not every,I guess not every app
necessarily might support that,but I guess, in the case of the
apps that I use, I mean you canuse flip mode to use the primary
camera as your video cam.
And then also, I mean it's notreally a big deal, you could
just close it and use the coverscreen camera, because there's a

(01:03:32):
camera there too.
Yeah, I prefer that, yeah, andthat one's also vastly superior
to the camera that's on the maindisplay.
So another crazy idea is justget rid of it if you can't
figure out how the tech works.
That way, you still keep thethin profile and you don't have
the little dot there in themiddle of people's videos that
makes them angry or whatever,but it doesn't bother me.
After using it for a few daysit's not a huge deal, but I

(01:03:54):
think a lot of people it isgoing to bother, judging by the
comments.
My unboxing and comparison gota lot of views.
So there's hundreds of commentsthat I got to look through of
people's opinions on this.
So I think maybe getting rid ofit is the best thing.
If they can't find a solution, Ithink S Pen will get fixed for
sure.
They need to add the properzoom camera.

(01:04:16):
We need at least 5x zoom onhere.
There's no reason we can't have5x zoom.
They fixed the main sensor.
Let's fix the zoom sensor aswell.
I mean, if it were me, honestlyI say just put the galaxy s25
ultra if possible it might notbe engineeringly possible
because they those are bigsensors and put the ultra wide
on there too.
Put all the same cameras as thes25 ultra.
Just put it on the z fold 7yeah, if you could um some of

(01:04:40):
the things that I don't thinkare going to happen.
So I saw a lot of comments.
Like I said, I'm justresponding.
This is basically a lot of theQ&A too, because I saw a lot of
these questions and answers.
We're kind of combining it herewith the Z Fold Special Edition
discussion.
I saw a lot of questions thatwere like we need bigger battery
.
I don't think bigger battery,substantially bigger battery, is
going to happen this time.

(01:05:01):
Because, like I said, thermals,you know we don't want these
things blowing up, tori.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
No, we don't, it's a luxury phone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
It needs to be taken with care.
Yeah, no, they're not going todo that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I don't think we'll see a bigger battery right now.
We might see one down the linebutPen slot.
That's not happening either.
That's just not happening rightnow.
So they want an S-Pen slot inthe foldable, just like in the
S-Phone.
Where are you going to put itLike?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
these people have these ideas and they're just
like well, they're nice ideas,they're nice ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
But like you've got to, if you're an engineer, the
battery in here this thing foldsin half and you want the
unfolded version to be as thinas possible, then the s-pen is
too wide to fit into theunfolded version because this is
actually a lot thinner than thes24 ultra when it's unfolded.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
When it's unfolded like, I really like that profile
.
Yeah, you could barely fit ans-pen in here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I know, when it's unfolded, able to so in that
case they'd have to make itthicker, which I don't think
they want to do.
Now there might be some wayeventually that they could get
the S Pen in part of the hinge.
People have talked about this,but that's going to require more
work with the hinge and theygot a long way to go there.
I don't know that they wereeven going to get to that point,

(01:06:18):
because I think they mightstart doing rollable phones and
that might take off before.
I think rollables are going tobe where it's at, more than the
trifolds.
But we'll see, um.
But I just don't see an s-pinslot next year.
I know that's a big fantasypeople have had for years.
Like I would love it too,because one of the reasons I
don't use my fold with my s-pinthat much is because, well, it's

(01:06:39):
not attached to the s-pin.
So what happens?
I always lose my S-Pen, or Ileave it at home or I leave it
at the office or I forget itsomewhere, because I'm not.
you know it's hard to rememberan extra thing to put in your
pocket.
So, unless I take, like my sidebag, that I carry with me and I
keep the S-Pen in there, whichI try to do now that I'm using,
you know, when I use the Z Fold6 regularly, not with this one

(01:06:59):
because it doesn't work with it,but when I have the Z Fold 6, I
put the S Pen in there and Itry to remember it.
But obviously it's a lot easierto remember it on my S24 Ultra
because it fits in the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It's there all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So obviously I'm in agreeance with all of you people
.
I would love to see it if theycould bring it, but I just don't
particularly see that occurring.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I have a question.
So obviously foldables havebeen out for a minute now and it
has been quite some time sincethe first fold was released and
again they were like it's aluxury phone, you know all that
good stuff, but do you foreseeif them going down to the slim

(01:07:41):
route and we have a little bitmore time, obviously, before we
get to rollables?
Could foldables get to a pointwhere they are a daily driver
for most people?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Oh, I think so for sure.
I think this phone is alreadytaking a massive leap in that
direction, at least for me,because, as much as I see it in
the comments, people like I likethe size of the Z Fold 6
display.
I think a lot of people arestill like me and they're like
it's too thin, I mean it's toonarrow for me to use it on a
daily basis and they want thatwider phone because a lot of
things the thing is, even thoughwhen you get the Fold, the

(01:08:14):
thing is when I got my firstFold, I had the very first one,
the fantasy you have in yourmind.
I don't know why I the wordfantasy today.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
It's like it's Mariah Carey kind of day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
It's a sweet, sweet fantasy baby.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I listened to that song on the way here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
That must be why I had that on my.
I had that on the radio rightafter the Steelers game was over
, so I'm going to blame MariahCarey for that anyway.
But the main thing I keepseeing that a lot of people are
saying is they're like oh yeah,well, I only care about the
scatter screen being small, Idon't care because I'm going to
use the inner display.
That's the thing that peoplehave in their mind.
But when you actually get thefoldable and you're using as

(01:08:50):
your daily driver, you're goingto use the cover display 60% of
the time, minimum, pretty muchanybody.
I've talked to people who arehardcore foldable users and they
love them and they don't wantto go back to a slap phone ever,
and I asked them like, whatpercentage do you use the main
display versus the cover?
Oh, probably 60 for the cover,40 for the main.
So even people who lovefoldables, 60% of the time,

(01:09:11):
which is the majority, is stillspent on the cover display.
So you say you don't care.
But if you haven't had afoldable, you will care when you
get it, because this is goingto be your main screen, because
this is going to be your mainscreen.
So if this screen isn'tcomfortable for you to type and
text and do all the stuff you doon the internet with.
It's not going to be greatBecause there's a lot of

(01:09:37):
scenarios if you live an activelifestyle or you're on the go,
you're a business, you're ayoung professional, you're not
going to be able to pull it outand unfold it Like when you're
walking through the city streets, you're on the bus, you're on
the train, you're at work.
You're going to be like lookingdown here and you're going to
run into someone, Like when Iwas teaching at the university.
You know it's busy like inbetween while walking to teach,
so I want to hit me with a bikeor something.
So, I can't be doing that Like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I got to have like my head up, like I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I'm doing my texts, I got my, I got my.
I think that I still think Idon't know.
I'm on the fence.
Could it be a little wider?
I feel like this is almost thesweet spot for me.
It could be a little wider.
But here's the thing Peopleoften forget when they're saying

(01:10:19):
these things they want thatchanging one of the dimensions
also changes the other screen'sdimensions.
So if this gets wider, then themain display gets wider, which
means it's either going to haveto get taller or more square.
So you have to change theaspect ratio of the inside.
It's not just one.
You can't change one screenwithout changing the other,
because these phones are all inone package, right?
It's a cause and effectsituation.

(01:10:39):
If you make it too much wider,then the inner aspect ratio is
going to be weird for contentwatching and the amount of black
bars you get when watchingyoutube is going to be just too
extreme.
It's going to be like the pixel9 pro fold, which isn't a bad
form factor, but I still preferthis because it gives you a nice
balance of like.
When you have it unfolded, youcan still view like vertical

(01:10:59):
content, like your x, twitter, x, whatever you want to call it
feed your Instagram feed, butyou can still also watch video.
When it's in landscape thePixel 9 Pro Fold the video looks
a little bit better, likelandscape tasks look a little
bit better.
But also now it's not as tallin the Pixel 9 Pro Fold.
So vertical things where youwant to scroll vertically, like
my Google News feed or whatever,they're not as easy, they're

(01:11:21):
not as nice to use.
You don't get as much screenreal estate when you use it this
way.
So I actually don't know, Ithink, if anything, maybe three
or four millimeters wider wouldmaybe be a super sweet spot.
It's still a little bit morenarrow than like some of the
Chinese folds.
Yeah, I like the Xiaomi Mi Mixfourfold.
I have that one in there.

(01:11:41):
It's pretty close to being, Ithink, perfect, but this I can
live with this.
This is good.
I give samsung a huge kudos.
I know and also I'll address,because this is another question
I basically answered tons ofquestions over in the comments.
People asking you know, do youthink people should be pissed
because they release the z foldsix and then release a better
one, only like three monthslater?
I mean, I don't know what youwant me to say.

(01:12:03):
I mean they're a company, theygot to make money.
I mean I I don't know like,should you be pissed, I guess,
if you want to be pissed?
But the thing is we kind of knewthat this was a possibility
even before the z-fold pre-orderperiod ended.
So if you were an enthusiast,you knew that, like if you
bought z-fold six, it mightbasically be replaced in other

(01:12:23):
regions in three or four months,because we heard about this,
like during July, the Z FoldSpecial Edition rumors were
cranking up and so before youeven pre-ordered and got your Z
Fold 6, you could have canceledit and said, oh, I'll just wait
and buy this one from Maria.
But the fact of the matter isone you wouldn't be able to buy
it on a payment plan.
You'd have to bust out $300.
I mean, sorry, $300.

(01:12:45):
I wish $300.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
$3,000.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Which is basically $1,200 or $1,100 more than the
pre-tax price of the Z Fold 6,right, you wouldn't be able to
finance it.
I mean, you could finance it ona credit card, but you wouldn't
be able to finance it with yourcarrier.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
So you'd have to put it on a credit card or something
like that, which a lot ofpeople don't want to do.
You wouldn't get a warranty,you wouldn't be able to use your
S Pen, lots of things.
The list goes on and on.
So there's some tradeoffs.
I don't really know.
I mean, I wouldn't be that mad,because the fact of the matter
is, if you wanted to fold andyou like the Z Fold 6, obviously

(01:13:21):
if you plopped down two grandfor it, you liked it, because
otherwise why would you have notdone that?
And also, the thing is, ifyou're an enthusiast, you're
going to buy the Z Fold 7 nextyear anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
So you only have to wait for eight more months
anyway, that's my secret, jeff,so it's not like you know, I
just like people in on thesecret.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Most of the people who are complaining about this
asking if they should be pissed.
They're going to upgrade everyyear anyway because it's not
like the average consumer,because the average consumer
guess what?
They don't know these phonesexist at all.
That is true, because if I didnot know, jeff, I would not know
this phone existed.
Because if a phone is, like,only available in other regions
that aren't the US, and you knownothing about, like, being a
phone enthusiast, you don't knowthat you could import this.

(01:13:58):
So you know those people don'tknow.
You know those people don'tknow, they don't care.
They're like the average JoeSmoe who bought a Z Fold 6.
They're not pissed because theydon't even know that this phone
came out in China and Korea.
So they're going to feel supergreat and they're probably going
to keep it for three yearsbefore they upgrade again.
But it's all the people whoobviously are enthusiasts who
know about this.
They're super pissed, butthey're going to buy a Z Fold 7

(01:14:18):
in eight months.
So you'll get this phone,probably with some substantial
improvements.
Now, I do understand it'sannoying.
Maybe you can be slightlyannoyed.
I'd say I wouldn't be pissed.
I'd be slightly annoyed becausewhat a lot of people are saying
is well, samsung obviously hadthe tech.
They could have just releasedthis as the Z Fold 6.
But then what would we have allsaid if they did that?

(01:14:39):
We'd be like how can theyrelease a flagship product
globally with no S Pen?
That would be the number onenarrative and it would be much
worse because it would be aglobal release.
They'd be like that's a stepbackwards.
Samsung didn't bring theirflagship feature to their
flagship foldable.
It would be a huge media blitz.

(01:14:59):
What happened to innovation, andthen we would also be mad
because they didn't put theunder-display camera on the
inside.
They're like oh, we got thishuge dot right in the middle of
our video.
So it's not like everything wasupgraded without any
compromises.
So you're still getting abetter experience in some areas
with the Z Fold 6.
And maybe, as a global consumer, that's not like obviously in

(01:15:21):
my position, where obviously Ican buy this and inform all of
you about it and make money.
Just wait eight months.
They're probably going to putthis out with some changes that
will make you happy and then youdon't have to compromise on the
camera, on the under displaycamera, on any of those things.
Hopefully the S pen will beback on the main display.
You'll be super stoked.
So I would say to those peoplewho asked me should they be

(01:15:45):
pissed?
I don't know, I'd just be alittle annoyed and if you're
thinking about it, if you shouldbe pissed about it, you're
probably going to buy the Z Fold7.
So just chill, relax, have acouple drinks and by the time
you know it, it'll be July andthen you'll be able to buy your
brand new Z Fold 7, which willlook like this form factor but
probably have some nice changes.
That's what I have to say.
Anything else, tori, about theZ Fold Special Edition, now that
you've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
No, I mean to me it's a little too luxurious for me
in terms of price points.
But I think that is a reallysolid device there.
I think they can only go upfrom here.
I think it does fit along withthe slim profile that's kind of
becoming the trend now.

(01:16:26):
We want foldables and we wantit slim and we want it now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
What do we want?
Foldables?
How do we want them Slim?
When do we want them Now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
There we go.
Yeah, there we go.
I like it.
I think it's a really niceprofile when it's laid out and
you know, honestly, I think Icould live without the S Pen
support if I got that package.
But I would like for that maindisplay punch-out camera hole to

(01:17:00):
not be there.
Other than that, I would saythat is a very luxury device.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, it's a really nice one and, to be fair, also
one other thing they arecharging basically the same
price, only like a couplehundred more in Korea for it.
The reason I paid three grandfor it is because the Korean
resellers got to make a lot ofmoney.
They're like this guy wants itin the US, we got to jack it up
$800 on top.
They they're like this guywants it in the US, we've got to
jack it up $800 on top.
They're like we're not going toship that to the US unless
we're making at least almost agrand in profit.

(01:17:26):
So it's not like Samsung'sjacking up the price
unrealistically, which is whythey keep selling out.
They've released it now threedifferent launches, three
different waves of it in Korea.
Every time it's sold out in 10minutes or less.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
So everyone these in Korea, everyone's buying them.
Of course, probably 90% of themare buying them so they can put
them up on eBay and othermarketplaces so they can sell
them to idiots like me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Well, I don't consider myself an idiot because
I didn't lose three grand inthe end.
I actually made money off of it.
So the joke's on them.
I bought it from them and Iactually turned that into more
cash, but they're probablytrying to sell it to Korea.
That's the thing.
The other thing, one last thingbefore we go.
Some people were saying oh well, I guess these people are just

(01:18:08):
being haters, probably, but it'sworth mentioning.
Some people were saying oh,this would be a cool phone if
Samsung wasn't already so farbehind all the Chinese foldables
, and to that I say that isfalse, sir.
You are wrong, Because whileSamsung may not have as thin of
hardware and some cover screensnot still as large, keep in mind
, One UI is still far superiorto any Chinese software when it

(01:18:32):
comes to multitasking.
I've used all of them.
Multitasking on Samsung is thepinnacle of what you can get
done with a phone, and if you'resomeone like me who often has a
lot of stuff going on, you'reresearching an article, you're
texting your wife, you'rescrolling through your Twitter,
your ex, whatever feed torespond to your fans or interact

(01:18:53):
with people, you got a lot ofstuff going on.
While you're sitting on yourcouch trying to enjoy a cold
beverage at night and watch someTV, You're trying to do a bunch
of stuff on your phone, Havingthat multitasking ability and
the ability to interact andchange windows and go to pop-up
windows and do all that stuff isa game changer.
So if you want quality softwarewith your hardware, no one is

(01:19:13):
doing that like Samsung.
There's just no one.
Plus, people forget when Samsungputs this out and they do put
the S Pen compatibility.
And I will mark my words ifthey don't have S Pen
compatibility on the Z Fold 7,it's going to look like this,
but it'll have the S Pen on theinside.
At least It'll have the S Penon one of these screens.
I'll shave my head live on thepodcast.
I've already made a couplepromises like this, I've got to

(01:19:37):
keep track of it, but they'regoing to have the S Pen.
And guess how many otherfoldable Chinese brands who make
foldables have S Pen or styluscompatibility on the inner
screen?
It's zero.
None of them do so.
Why does Samsung still have aslightly thicker device?

(01:19:58):
Well, because they want to keepthat S Pen compatibility.
Those other brands aren't boundby that constraint.
So if you want styluscompatibility and multitasking
support in your software thatoffers a seamless experience,
you're not getting that fromHuawei, xiaomi, vivo.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
They're not doing it Honor.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
You're not getting it from those companies, so
Samsung is still giving you anexperience you can't get
anywhere else.
Are they necessarily at thepeak of what the hardware looks
like?
Maybe not, but giving you anexperience you can't get
anywhere else.
Are they necessarily at thepeak of what the hardware looks
like?
Maybe not, but with all theconstraints and all the quality
that you get, on top with thesoftware compatibility, I still
think samsung's number one infoldables.
I I mean I would not use anyother foldable as a daily driver

(01:20:37):
at this point and I thinkeventually samsung will dominate
the long-term foldable marketbecause Because they have so
much understanding of whatpeople want in foldables.
I think even when the iPhonereleases the foldable, I think
if Samsung can continue on thetrack they're on with the flip
and the fold they can continueto dominate the people who want
that form factor.
They have an opportunity there.

(01:20:58):
So anyway, next week we'll beback.
Hey, will we be talking aboutOne UI 7?
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I'm not talking about One UI 7.
Again, I'm going on strikeUntil they release the beta.
I will have nothing else to sayon this podcast about it.
So if you, guys want me to talkabout the beta Samsung.
You fire up those serverstonight on Samsung members and
you push the beta notificationso I can download it and
actually run it.
I'm not talking about leaks, orit might come out next week or

(01:21:29):
any more of that.
This is an ultimatum.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
What do we want?
We want the beta.
When do?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
we want it Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Now Push it and in the interim this week.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Keep expanding your galaxy.

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