One UI 8 "Delays" and Samsung's Transparency Issues + Upcoming Galaxy Hardware

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is episode number 39 ofthe Sammy Guru podcast.
My name is Jeff Springer.
With me, as always, my co-host,Torrey Torrey, say hi, hey,
how's it going?
I forgot the intro last week.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I forgot how to do a podcast because it's been so
long.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Torrey's like it's like riding a bike, but I guess
not.
I crashed into the mailboxriding my bike last week because
I didn't even had thatconversation about how we didn't
know what episode it was, andwe were like it's got to be 30.
It was 30 because of course wehave to count the ones we did on
YouTube.
So when I posted it I realizedwe already on the 30s.
We're almost to 40, because Iwas only looking at the episodes

(00:35):
.
We uploaded the audio only tothe podcast platforms.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I didn't count the ones on YouTube, so we actually
are we actually are.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I think it's 39 now.
That's pretty good.
So how's it going?
Tori, it's the first week.
Well, you completed your firstweek back.
We're actually recording thison Tuesday so you've been back
the kids now for seven days inthe classroom.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes, seven days back.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And you should be getting ready to do some content
, right, how's?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
it going over there, yeah.
So I started content out withthe geometry.
We Started doing some rigidtransformations.
My honors students were likeyay.
My regular students were likenah, I'm not trying to learn AV
Pre-Cal.
They're doing pretty good.
We haven't gotten to contentyet, I'm still just kind of
reviewing.
But I mean it's good vibes atthe school, so you know it's

(01:18):
good times.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's good.
You know a lot of the studentsare excited the very first
couple weeks though.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's the thing you know.
Even at the university,everybody's excited to be back
for like the first two weeks.
Yeah, it's week three as well,and then people realize they
have to turn in homework andtake quizzes and tests and all
that and they're like, ah, Iremember why I don't like this.
Yeah, it's great when you getto just kind of talk to your
friends and just kind of eatinglunch doing stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, I don't like to eat lunch?
Enjoy that.
Yeah, that's not when it's hotyeah, that's true, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's ridiculously hot out here.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I can't wait till october, because it is really,
really cooking out here inphoenix I took a picture of my
car the other day on x it waslike 120 degrees yeah, so on the
temperature.
You saw that man, it was superhot.
When I got in my car I was likeman, it's supposed to go down
to like 103 for the high thisweekend, which?
Is that's like a reprieve here.
People are like 103, that'spretty hot, but we're not when
it's been 118 plus.

(02:10):
Yeah, like you were, like, oh,thank, God, two weeks of 115
plus it's like 103 sounds likeit'll be just fine.
I mean actually in.
Arizona and Phoenix.
It seems very cool when it's103.
That doesn't seem that hot inaugust or july yeah, right, you
feel pretty good about that um.
I saw freakier friday over theweekend.
You saw it too yeah, yeahindependently, but it was a

(02:31):
pretty good movie.
Tori saw the weapons movie thehorror movie which I'll be
hopefully seeing with him thisweekend I'm looking forward to
seeing that.
that seems like a a pretty nicepiece.
It's been kind of crazy aroundfor me because we're moving
houses and then also justfinished up shipping all the
mystery boxes, so I'm justtaking care of getting in.
Last, like you know, somepeople had lost packages,
whatever Someone had like adamaged package, you know, just

(02:52):
trying to make sure people gettaken care of on their mystery
boxes and make sure that peopleare missing something, because
we ship like 900, close to 900this time.
So of course there's going tobe a couple of things that get
either lost in the mail ordamaged or something whatnot.
So got to go back behind andtriage that.
So I sent out like thank youemails everybody participating
and just said hey, if you havean issue, just message me.

(03:13):
Try to be proactive.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So that way people don't go to.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Reddit and be like oh , Jeff Springer's cam, that
doesn't fit.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
And I'm like guys well, if you've got a bad case,
I mean I understand, but justshoot an email.
I mean I'll certainly get youanother one and then, fulfilling
all the silver and goldentickets, I've already gotten
emails from everybody.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Oh nice, so I'm getting those.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Galaxy Buds 3 Pro and those watches, those watch
selections.
Yep, who won the golden ticket?
There was three of them.
They all chose the Watch Ultra,which is surprising to me.
I thought some people would getthe Watch 8 Classic.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, I'm telling you the Watch Ultra.
I stand by it.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's a good Because they released a new color this
year.
I don't know if you saw themarine blue when I was at
Unpacked.
It's got slightly more storage.
It's got 64 gigs of storage.
Yeah, I don't really know why,because on my smartwatch I'm not
storing a lot of stuff.
I guess if people are hardcorerunners maybe they store a lot
of their music, but 32 gigs isplenty for me, even if I was

(04:10):
using it as my only device topair my buds to when I was
running.
I usually have my phone, but Iunderstand, and maybe I should
try it, because when I go to thegym, first of all I need to get
back in the gym.
I've been in a while.
I've been busy Busy guy.
Yeah, I usually don't.
I usually take my phone with meto the treadmill and have it
there.
Maybe, though, I think a lot ofpeople they just pair their

(04:31):
buds to their watch and thentake the phone.
Yeah, because then they justsit there and they have to worry
about, like, the thing fallingoff the treadmill or, you know,
your screen gets all smudged upwith sweat and stuff like that.
It's actually a good idea whenI think about it, but still I
don't think I would need morethan 32 gigs of music for my
workout playlist.
I mean, how far am I running?
I mean, 100 songs is like maybea gigabyte.

(04:53):
I'm pretty sure that's likefive hours.
I'm not running any marathonsanytime soon, and even if you
are, I'm pretty sure that'senough music for that.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Anyway that was interesting that all the people
who won the golden tickets theywant an ultra.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Maybe they're just like I got the free prize, I
just want the most expensive.
Well, yeah, no, let's just makejeff buy me the most expensive
one it's free, yeah, take it,but the watch a classic, I don't
know it's.
It's a nice watch if you likethe rotating bezel.
That's why I was.
I thought some people wouldstill miss the potentially
choose that it'd be nice if theybrought that back and added it
to the Ultra, but then thatwould lose the distinction
between the Classic and theUltra.
There wouldn't really be muchleft because they're almost the
same size it's 46 versus 47.

(05:31):
So if you put the rotatingbezel on the Ultra, then they
don't need to be separateanymore.
You just merge them into onewatch, which maybe they should
do.
They got way too many watches.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
We can talk about that.
So do you think like the Ultrawill never get a rotating bezel?

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I don't think so, unless they do eventually decide
to merge them, because it justwouldn't make sense for them to
have the two separate productlines Because they're not really
different sizes.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, Really, do they still have like the lower, like
the active one?
I call it the active watch, notthe active, it's just the
standard watch.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
So now they have watch eight, which comes in 40
and 44 millimeters.
So there watch eight, whichcomes in 40 and 44 millimeters.
So there's two models, becausethey're two different sizes.
Yeah, then there's the classic,which is 46 millimeters but has
the rotating bezel, and thenthere's the ultra, which I think
, is it the 47?
It's 40, maybe it's 49millimeters, so it is a little
bigger than the.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, yeah yeah, classic, I think it is and
that's at the very top in.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So it's like the pricing breakdown.
It's like watch 840, watchwatch 844, watch classic and
then watch ultra.
Those are the four main watches.
They also have some.
They still sell some of theolder models.
So if you don't want to spendas much money, they still do
have a watch seven.
You could buy on like theGalaxy store, samsung shop and

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you could definitely do that.
If you want to save some money,I mean for most people, unless
you're like a hardcoreenthusiast, even more so than
like a phone you don't need toupgrade your watch every year
for a smartwatch, there's justnot.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'm good with this for at least like another few
years.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
They're not doing anything.
I mean, unless you're likeeither one, you have like some
health problems and you reallywant like some of the new health
features they have trickled out, like some blood pressure
monitoring.
So like if you have some healthissues you want to monitor,
maybe that would make sense.
But I mean, in terms of overallfeatures it's even less of an
upgrade than a phone like yearover year.
Yeah, I would say two to threeyears is more than enough for

(07:17):
most people.
Probably three years Kind ofjust like the phone.
Like if I was an average personI'd just be like three years.
That's what I'm doing.
Like I buy a phone this yearyeah, I watched this year.
I'm not buying another one ofeither for three more years yeah
, yeah, yeah that's like thepoint right now where, like, if
you wait three years, it's gonnafeel like a pretty substantial
upgrade no because every yearthey do like two or three small

(07:38):
things.
But if you add up all of thosenine things, they did over three
years.
It seems like a big thingbecause you're not seeing them
in those incremental changeslike we do.
You're just going to go fromlike this phone it's going to be
like oh, there's like 10 newthings Plus I've got a whole new
operating system.
It seems like a big upgrade,just like you did from the S22
to the S25.
And speaking of that, let'stalk about it because I said we

(08:01):
would do it last week.
We talked a lot about hardwarelast week.
We're going to go into somesoftware this week too, but talk
about the new lineup for theS26, because Samsung is going to
shake things up entirely.
I mentioned this last week, butnow we can talk about a little
more of what their plans are.
Instead of having the basemodel, the plus model and the
ultra and we spent all last weektalking about the ultra so

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we'll focus on the other two.
This year we had S25, s25 Plus.
Next year those two models.
They will not exist in thosenames anymore.
They will now have the S26 Edge, which will presumably replace
the Plus model, and the S26 Pro,which is now presumably what
they're going to call the lowermodel.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Now we've heard some different rumors about the two
devices.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It name choice yeah, yeah, it's interesting name
choice, and we can talk aboutwhat this kind of what we think
this might mean.
We've heard in some rumors thatthe S26 Pro might come with a
4175 milliamp hour battery, andthen the Edge would come with a
battery size of, I think, 4,200milliamp hours, which is bigger

(09:11):
than the 25 edge, which was3,900 milliamp hours.
I'm looking at our article thatwe wrote on this, so presumably
, again, this means that we'regoing to have basically a
slightly different envisionedbreakdown of who should buy each
phone.
Now, we don't have 100%confirmation yet on this exactly

(09:32):
, but the S26 Pro is probablygoing to have a smaller screen
size than the Edge, I wouldimagine, because it's going to
be closer to that base modelsize, and that would make sense
because it's also not going tobe quite as thin as the s26 edge
.
The s26 edge is going to belike the s25 edge, yeah, pencil
thin, and so the question is,though what are they going to

(09:55):
make pro about the base model,because pro is kind of it's kind
of a weird name.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah I think this is I was thinking, what I was
thinking, I mean like becauseyou have Apple, they use the
name Pro.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
And so I think, as like a regular consumer like I,
would think Samsung would needto like kind of up their
marketing a little bit withthese changes, to really just
kind of like emphasize like whatis going to be different about
these phones, or I wouldn't knowwhat to buy as the average
consumer about these phones or Iwouldn't know what to buy as
the average consumer.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
So the question is if you heard s26 pro, it's kind of
confusing because obviously weknow samsung's ultra line sits
at the top of their line.
But I think this is one of thereasons apple never unveiled an
ultra blind, because it's likewell, pro already is like top of
the line for them.
Yeah, so are you going to goone step above and then you have
like super premium?
You just have premium, superpremium, and then what is the

(10:47):
edge?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I think I would prefer the edge on the lower
tier, like to me, like you gotedge pro ultra.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Maybe something like that yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And here's the thing we really don't have like there
really aren't any leaks asidefrom the battery We've only
covered.
I just looked through ourarticle lists that the guys have
covered over on the site atSammy Guru.
We don't really have any leaksaside from the battery.
So we don't know.
So the question is I thoughtit'd be kind of fun for us to
talk about, since it's alwaysnice we don't know anything,
because you can kind of talkabout what they should do.
You know, are they?

(11:25):
My question is do we thinkSamsung is really going to make
this any different than the realbase model?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Or is it just?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
a real?
Is it just a renaming?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I think it's just like a renaming probably.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Is it still going to look just like the base model
S25?
Just slap a fresh coat of painton it.
It's going to have the newcamera, rings, new colors it's
going to have the new camera,rings, colors, and they'll be
like oh look, it's the s26 pro,yeah.
And then be like well, what'spro about it?
Does it have the same camera asthe ultra?
Well, no, it doesn't have thatno does it have a bigger screen?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
no, it doesn't have that, but it's still pro.
It's still pro.
Does it have an s-pen?
Absolutely, not absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Does it have the new 60 watt fast charging of the
ultra?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah you got to pay 400 more for that yeah, but it's
pro it is very professional andI I would prefer if they just
did s26 and then s26 edge andthen s26 ultra.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I I if they're not going to change anything on the
base model.
It's very.
It would be much better becauseit's very facetious to call it
a pro and do nothing yeah,that's going to piss a lot of
people off including me becausepro, at least from the apple
standpoint, and and I mean wedon't like apple here, I don't
like apple.
I mean we could talk later tooabout a little bit at the very
end, because it's not an applepodcast, but apple released ios
26, beta 6.

(12:36):
They got like more betas forios 26 than samsung ever had.
So people hating on samsung,call your jets apple's.
Apple's had a disaster withliquid glass.
We'll talk about that later.
They finally got some thingsright, but we don't love Apple
here.
But I will say the Pro on theirmodels makes sense because it's
always referenced.
The Pro camera, pro and the promax is that the base iphone has

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a far inferior camera in termsof photo and video quality to
the pro and the pro max.
And the pro and the pro maxthing makes sense too, because
one is bigger than the other, somax.
So at least apple's namingmakes sense.
Samsung's naming is going to bea complete disaster because, I
mean, none of those namesidentify or tell the consumer
what it is that I'm getting whenI buy that particular model.

(13:29):
You're like pro Well, what'spro about it?
A lot of people who are averageconsumers are like edge Well,
what the hell does that mean?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
We know what that means because, obviously we're
Samsung fans.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
We've followed the brand's arc and we know that.
Back with the S6 Edge, you know, 12 years ago, years ago,
whatever they released a phonethat was called edge and they're
trying to bring that brandidentity.
Yeah, and this one is thin, butsome people can't remember from
12 years ago because they don'tfollow, it's not their hobby,
because they don't care aboutconsumer tech like that they're
like I remember the edge andthat was the edge, and that was
like one of my first ones but ifyou're an average person who is
not a samsungist, you're notgoing to be like an edge.
What does that mean?
Does that mean that like itmight cut my fingers Because the

(14:10):
abs are just too sharp, I don'tknow.
And then the Ultra.
It's like, well, ultra, okay,most people probably get that,
but they're going to be confused, particularly about the
difference between the Pro andthe Ultra.
And the other problem is theydon't have any size
differentiators like Apple does,at least on their top-tier
models and now on their basemodels, because they have the

(14:30):
iPhone 16 and the 16 Plus, oh,yeah, yeah.
And then the iPhone 16 Pro andthe Pro Max.
The Plus means larger, the Maxmeans larger.
I really think they could justmake those both Max and just put
the Pro in the middle.
That would actually do a littlebit to clarify Apple's.
But there's just much betterthan Samsung's right now,

(14:51):
because nothing in the name saysanything about the size.
The S26 Pro is going to berelatively small Yep, you don't
know exactly the size, butprobably 6.1 to 6.3 inches in
the display.
The edge will be like medium,but still pretty close to the
Ultra.
It's like 6.7 inches.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
The Ultra will be 6.99, close to 7-inch diagonal
screen, but no one can get thatfrom the name.
I think that's a huge problem,honestly, because people should
know what they're buying.
I agree, particularly when theprices are going to be kind of
different and you see the Proand, assuming they don't change
much, if it's $899 or $799 likethe base S25, is you're going to

(15:27):
be like well, it's $500 less.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's $500 less and it's Pro Wow that's great.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I should spend $500 less and I'll get such a Pro
phone.
Maybe that's what they wantpeople to think.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Maybe.
But then you get it and you'relike I'm going to blindside the
average consumer because I'mgonna be like, wow, I got a pro.
But what's pro about it is?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
and if you are someone who knows, like a
surface amount of samsung, thatmight be even worse, because if
I wasn't paying attention and Ididn't follow things closely, I
might be like oh pro, does thatmean like the ultra, but without
the s pen?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
you just take everything to take everything,
price right?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
yeah, take everything except the s pen, which is
great.
I like that and just drop fivehundred dollars off, because of
course obviously the S Pen takes$500 to put that on the phone.
That's obviously false.
But if I was an average personwho didn't know any better,
maybe I would think that andthen I'll get a great discount.
Some people don't you guysthink it's funny listening to
the podcast.

(16:19):
Some people don't read the specsheets man at all.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, they don't.
People go into the damn BestBuy carrier store.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
They're just like oh man Pro.
Pro versus Ultra $500 less, letme have it.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I mean they don't pay too much attention until they
actually get it home.
Some people will buy it onVerizon AT&T's website or the
Samsung website.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Especially with, like all those deals in the market.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Get the S26 Pro for $0, with the trade-in of any
smartphone.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, and if you buy one, you get another one.
If you add another line, if youbuy one, you can get four more
for 99 cents.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, as long as you agree to a 17-year contract.
Yes, lock it in for the next347 months.
Yep and we will give you fivelines for free and you're like
well, 17 years that's about$29,000 worth of payments to you
.
I don't think the favoritephone's free.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I feel like.
I'm really paying for the phoneover a very long period of time
.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I'll probably be paying for that until I qualify
for social security.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
And then there won't even be any social security left
, because they're basicallyspending all that money.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So I'll still be stuck for paying for that phone.
I don't have any socialsecurity to help me pay for it.
Anyway, I don't know, man, wegot to get more details, but I
think it seems like on thesurface it just is a renaming,
because we haven't heard of any.
I mean, I don't know, I guesswe'll just wait till we get more
leaks, but I think it could bevery weird if they don't change
anything.

(17:43):
What I would like to see, ifyou ask me what I'd like to see
pro, if they go the directionthat apple goes, just take,
because they did this with theedge.
Maybe all of them have the sameprimary camera, so you find a
way to get that 200 megapixelcamera.
Maybe you don't put the newstuff, because of course there's
a few new things we talkedabout last week that are going

(18:03):
in the s26 ultra.
Yeah, some of the new macro,the new lens on the primary
camera.
Maybe you don't put that, butmaybe you put the 200 megapixel
from the s25 ultra, slap that inthe s25 pro, then you can call
it pro because it has a muchbetter camera.
Yeah, obviously far improvedfrom the s base s25.
Then it would at least makesense.
I mean, you don't have tochange many things, but at least

(18:23):
upgrade the camera so that thecamera megapixels are now
consistent across the lineup.
And so then really, I mean it'sstill kind of unclear to people
what you get from going from,because you don't really gain
anything from going from the proto the edge.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
You lose something, you lose weight which I guess is
gaining portability yeah, orsomething or usability, but you
don't really you don't gain anylike performance features.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You don't gain any software features.
You don't gain any camerafeatures yeah you just gain the
ability to have a lighter phonewith still a bigger screen.
So I mean, I guess that'ssomething and I'm not hitting on
the edge.
I actually like it.
If you guys go, I wrote a fullreview on the Edge after using
it for about a month.
I took it to a trip.
We went on to Las Vegas in June, took a lot of pictures.

(19:09):
The Edge is a great phone.
I don't hate on the Edge.
I think the Edge is actuallyvery good.
It didn't sell a lot this year.
That's because they released itin the mid-cycle.
That was very hard to phone whenyou release it on May 30th, I
mean that's a very tough sell.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
They have it here during one of the main launches.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So now that it's going to launch with the actual
S26 lineup as a whole, the S26Edge has a chance to take a big
piece of the S26 Pie.
It had no chance this year justbecause anybody who would have
even considered it had alreadybought a Plus or an Ultra in
January the enthusiast and theaverage people.
It was too new of a phone toreally educate them about how it

(19:49):
fits into the lineup and theydidn't even have a really big
event.
So there wasn't a lot of, therewasn't as much press coverage,
so it was just kind of dead onarrival.
Oh no, no, so I don't know,we'll see.
I mean, I just wanted to talkabout that because of you know
rumors about what's going tohappen with the lineup.
Now they're changing all thenames except the ultra, not
changing the name of the ultra.
It's going to be there cannotkeep, cannot change the ultra
name because that's the flagship.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, they sell too many of those.
So like the names kind ofremind me of like the street
fighter 4 games where they'relike street fighter 4 super,
street fighter 4 ultra super youknow, just change all the names
.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Maybe we should change the name to the s26 ultra
, mega, ultra, alpha, mega,supreme, yes, ex gx, mega, vmax
turbo remix, turbo remix rainbowstyle yeah, there's some
pokemon naming in there yeah,and all you get is like two

(20:42):
extra characters.
You get the EX TX and Megathere you go and they're like
it's an extra $100, thoughYou're like what, what?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
$100?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's the same game, it's the same game, just a
couple of downloads.
Gotta calm down, guys.
Yeah, I know we need that money.
You guys don't like $80 games.
How about $100 games?
Yeah, we're raising the prices.
Raising the prices we'rebumping them up, everything's
going up.
Yeah, let's talk about One UI 8, because of course, last week

(21:13):
we came back and you know we'realways talking about software
People are like where was theOne UI discussion?
Well, you a littleretrospective.
We did a S25 Ultra re-reviewlast week.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
We talked about some hardware we're trying to ease
into it.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So 1UI8, there's a lot of talk this week because,
as you remember because we'vetalked about it forever when we
first started the podcast, 1ui7was infinitely pushed back.
It took about between 1UI6, theprevious 1UI6 point release and
1UI7 official.
The total time to release itwas about 15 months.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yes, it's a long time .

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Usually, you know, they try to turn it out every
year, but they were delayed byabout three to four months and
there's obviously a lot ofpeople were upset about that and
there was a lot of questionsabout back in January because of
course, the S25 ultra launchedwith one UI seven about whether
or not Samsung was withholdingone UI seven from the older

(22:13):
phones to sell more S25 unitsand at the time I was like, well
, I mean, that doesn't reallymake much sense because, it
doesn't make a lot of sense.
I mean, even if you're like fromTori's perspective, because
it's.
I mean, if I do that and thepeople who, if I'm looking at
buying an S25 and let's say I'man educated consumer, because

(22:35):
that's the only people who wouldaffect anyway the average
consumers don't know anythingabout.
People overestimate how muchthe average person knows, again,
about smartphones in general.
If you're not at least somewhatinterested in tech, you might
not even know what version ofOne UI is on your phone.
My wife doesn't know at all If Ididn't tell her that One UI 7,

(22:56):
she got a One UI 7 update.
The only thing she might say tome is she'd be like I got an
update the other day and now mynotifications and quick settings
are separated.
She told me that when she gotthe One UI 7 update.
She's like that kind of pissesme off and I was like well, you
can change it back by justtapping these buttons here and
she's like oh okay and I waslike what do you follow the semi
guru?
and I was like.
I was like what else do youthink about it?

(23:17):
And she's like eh, it's okayyou know I mean, like most
people aren't going to be likethere's not, even though it was
a massive change and it was likeit changed a lot of stuff,
unless it changed something thatfundamentally disrupts their
flow yeah, it's not.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
They'll never know, they won't really notice.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's usually not the new features that wow the
average user.
It's if you disrupt somethingthat they'll notice which is
unfortunate for companies likesamsung and apple, because you
risk pissing people off.
By changing the software thethe average person buying a
phone, whereas if you don'tchange anything, you risk
pissing people off, like thepeople who listen to our show
and read the podcast, read thiswebsite and watch my videos the

(23:58):
enthusiasts.
They want you to change stuffand add features, but then you
risk changing too much stuff andyou make those people mad yeah
but I can tell you the averageperson was not deciding whether
or not to buy an s25 devicebased on One UI 7.
That's preposterous, becausemost of them probably didn't
even know One UI 7 was on thephone.
They might have saw a couple ofcool features from the S25

(24:20):
thing and be like, oh, I wantthose features.
Maybe.
Maybe they did that, butcertainly I don't think Samsung
was withholding One UI 7 to sellmore S25 units.
That's what I thought back then.
But now, right, one UI 7 prettymuch rolled out fully not fully,
but to most of the recentphones in April and May and they

(24:44):
had already started developmenton One UI 8, which was great.
People were like, oh, that'sgoing to come out super early,
there'll be no problems, nopushbacks, and of course it
launched on the foldables.
When I went to unpack lastmonth, they announced one ui8 is
running on the fold 7, the flip7, all that.
It's great.
And they're like, oh well, thenthey're just going to be on the

(25:04):
s25 like two weeks away andit's be like by the end of july
for sure, no problems.
And of course it's not.
It's august 12th right now, andSamsung announced a couple days
ago that One UI 8 is now notcoming to the S25 series until
September, which is two monthsafter it launched on the Z.
Fold 7 and Z Flip 7.

(25:24):
So there's a lot ofconversation about this because
a lot of people on X have onceagain been saying, oh well,
samsung's doing this again tosell folds and flips, which I
don't know what I think aboutthis.
A lot of people weighed in ourgood friends who, well, they
don't really like us very much,but our friends at Sam mobile
they made a video on YouTubetalking about how it's

(25:48):
preposterous that Samsung wouldbe doing this, which is kind of
what I said in January too.
This doesn't make any sense towithhold it Plus.
As I said in January, if youperpetually delay the previous
phones, any of the educatedconsumers who saw that would be
like well then, why am I goingto buy an S25?
Because next year I'll just bewaiting.
When the S26 comes out, I'lljust be waiting for four months

(26:10):
to get the next update.
S26 comes out, I'll just bewaiting for four months to get
the next update.
So why would I buy an S25 basedon the fact that it had an
exclusive software?
If you're a somewhatintelligent and educated
smartphone buyer, you're notgoing to do that, and if you're
the average consumer, you don'treally care about One UI at all.
You just care about some of thefeatures, and there weren't a
lot of One UI specific features,even with One UI 7, that I

(26:31):
think a lot of users who arebuying a new phone, who are not
smartphone enthusiasts, aregoing to say wow, I'm going to
spend $1,300 to get that coolnotification panel or to get
these One UI 7 features thatwere shown in the event.
I just don't think there's asignificant enough investment
from Samsung to do that, to makethat part of their marketing

(26:54):
strategy.
But I don't know.
Now that they're doing it again,it's kind of weird.
And the reason I think it'sweird is because I'm running the
beta of One UI 8 on my S25Ultra.
This is the fourth beta andit's fairly stable.
There's just a couple offeatures missing and it really
seems like they could just dropthose features and push it out
the door and call it stable, butthey haven't.
So I don't know, tori, what doyou think Is Samsung withholding

(27:16):
software updates?
Because they've done it nowtwice?
With One UI 7, I said, okay,there's no way, because One UI 7
was a massive update.
Obviously it made sense thatthey needed extra time and so I
was not suspicious.
You could tell it needed extratime I was suspicious, but this

(27:38):
update like this is fine, likethis is great.
On beta 4, I mean, there's noproblem.
I use this every day.
It doesn't have any hiccups,does have bugs.
It's just missing a couplefeatures that are on the fold.
Seems like they just drop thefeatures in, push it out
tomorrow.
It'll work from your perspectiveas an average consumer, just
talking about the flagshipsbecause we'll talk about the
other phones in a minute minutebecause I'll talk about some of
the things that are issues withrolling it out to all phones at
once.
But what do you think in termsof the flagships?
Are they withholding it fromprevious models just to sell

(28:00):
product?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I mean, I don't think so.
I think you kind of hit thewhat is it?
The tail on the donkey.
Most average consumers are notthinking about the software
updates.
They're just looking at okay,something new I want to upgrade.
Tell me the camera, tell me thebattery life, what's the user
interface is like and that's it.

(28:23):
Um, you know, I, I think theaverage consumer could really
just care less about thesoftware updates and kind of
like, what you're seeing, likewith Nicole, I mean like when I
wake up some mornings and I havean update, is like I'm looking
at, oh, okay, cool, how sleek itis like, but it's only if I
come across it.
I'm not digging through andlooking for every single.

(28:45):
Like, like most people, weprobably just hit okay on like
the little notifications thingthat tells you everything that
was updated.
So, like I don't agree reallylooking for it, I think, is
probably more so.
They just want to make surethat everything is good.
So, you know, whatever featuresthat they're currently missing
on the beta, you know I thinkthey're probably just going

(29:05):
through it with a fine comb.
Um, you know, because, like we,we talked about it before on
the, on the podcast, with theOne UI 7.
I mean they have to kind ofregain the community's trust
with the role of the updates,because, man, that just took so
long and people were just likewhen are we going to get One UI
7 stable?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And I think the key is and we were talking about
this in the Slack for Sammy Guru, me and the other writers I
think the key is Samsung justneeds to be a little more
transparent with their updatestrategy, because they run all
these betas but they don'treally tell anyone anything
about what's going on.
So we rely on all these leakers, like Ice Universe, and then,
of course, we all report them asnews outlets, as blogs, because

(29:45):
people want to know.
I mean, it's news.
News is what people want toknow, and if people care about
it and it's out there someonewho's a news outlet, like us,
we're going to publish it, aslong as it's from a reliable
source.
But it would be better ifSamsung just put it out there
themselves, like, instead ofletting Ice Universe leak out,
like, oh, samsung found XYZ bugin 1.8 beta 4 and that's why

(30:07):
they can't push the update tocritical bug.
Why doesn't Samsung just putout a press release, forward it
to us, sam mobile, sammy fans,android authority, and let us
just write it directly from thehorse's mouth.
That would be better.
Then you could put your ownspin on it.
You could be like oh, this is acritical problem and we can't
put.
We can't put this update outbecause this could put your data
at risk.

(30:27):
It could be a security issue.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
You know we see companies do this all the time,
like I mean like utilize x, I, I, I see a lot of I.
I see sony, microsoft, like youknow, whenever there's
something going on with liketheir servers or stuff like that
, or like a beta or something,if something's not going right,
you just tell the people, yeah,if they would if they would give
more insight and I think, alsothe same thing in the change

(30:51):
logs.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
if you look at samsungelogs Sumit wrote a piece
on this on the website theother day Oppo, which is a
Chinese manufacturer they havetheir changelogs extremely
detailed with screenshots oflike the new stuff and new
features and like which bugshave been fixed.
If Samsung went through thatlevel of detail like they do, I
think people would feel a lotbetter about the updates.

(31:14):
But Samsung is very vague withtheir change log.
Even with the big updates, theyput out a list of things that
are just rattled off.
There's no visual indication.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's what gets atleast to me as an average
consumer, why I just said, okay,who's going to sit there and
read all that?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, Like if you had a visual onboarding to the
update.
You have some screenshots thatshow you what the features do.
Instead, you have to like digthrough and find the tips
section and you can go throughsome of the tips.
But if the whole changelog hada way to like see visually what
each thing was, maybe morepeople would look at it.
There'd be more transparencytoo.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
And, like I said, even a video.
I mean people, people like hireme to make a video.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, I'll do it.
I only charge a hundredthousand dollars to samsung if
they want me to make oneonboarding video for one new i8
hey, you know, but it's onlybecause I know they have it.
Yeah, you know it's allproportional to the brand's
value, you know that's how Iwork my rates oh, yes, of course
, if I know the brand is worth100 billion, 500 billion, a

(32:12):
trillion dollars.
Of course've got to charge thema little more.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
This is the way it is .

Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's not personal.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's just business.
It is just business.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
But I mean, at the end of the day, I think the
transparency would go a long way.
And as I'm sitting here lookingat it, I mean I watched the
video that Sam Mobile madebecause some people sent it to
me.
I gave him a view.
You, that Sam mobile madebecause some people sent it to
me, I gave him a view.
You guys are welcome, but Iwatched the video and I listened
to what Daniel had to say.
I mean some parts of it.

(32:41):
I certainly agree with what he'ssaying, but I also can see the
point from the people on X is to, they don't know what's going
on.
And so from their perspective,if they're using the beta, like
me, it seems like, well, whyaren't we just pushing this as
the stable?
Because the Fold 7 stable buildhad some bugs too, so it's not
like it was all that stable whenit first came out.

(33:01):
But then I'm also looking at itfrom the perspective of like,
well, is Samsung really using itto sell phones?
Do they need to?
I mean, the Fold is an amazingpiece of hardware.
If you look at this Fold, youdon't need to.
I mean, the fold is an amazingpiece of hardware.
If you look at this fold, youdon't need to sell.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
You don't even need to sell them on one ui8 at all
this thing is insane looking atit and you're like I want that
yeah this thing is insanely.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
This hardware is amazing.
If you had a fold six, evenfrom last year, like this is an
instant upgrade.
If I had a fold six and I hadthe money, I just be like I'm
gonna buy one because it's somuch better.
It's like half this it's got.
The battery life has actuallysettled in really nicely.
The camera is better becauseit's got the basically the same
one as the s25 ultra.
I mean there's really not ahuge any problem with this phone

(33:42):
that I mean I can really make abig complaint about.
Yeah, so do they really need tosell one ui to get average
people to buy this?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
absolutely not you know, and I'll even argue.
I mean like what we weretalking about earlier, how
people just go straight intolike their carriers, like what
people want, and again whatSamsung is really good for is
like the gimmicks and stuff.
So like when I look at thatfold I'm like I see a bunch of

(34:08):
people like, yeah, if I got themoney, I'm just going in to buy
it, I don't care about thesoftware or anything like that.
I mean because One UI 7 wasalready good.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
So it's like even if I knew something about Samsung
software, I wouldn't be like, oh, I got to have One UI 8 on this
phone, like that's not aselling point Like that's not
selling any more folds.
Like holding One UI 8 away.

(34:37):
Someone's going to be like ohman, I really have my S25 Ultra,
but I really have to have oneUI8 one month early, so I'm
going to go spend $2,000 to buya Fold 7.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
No one's doing that.
The Fold 7 sells itself.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Unless you just want the Fold and the Ultra and then
you're going to buy both of themanyway.
And there are people who havethe money and obviously do that.
Obviously I don't do it justbecause I want to waste money.
I do it just because I want towaste money.
I do it because obviously mybusiness and I need it to cover
the stuff.
I would not have all thesephones if I wasn't making money
off of it, just even though Ilike them.
I definitely wouldn't have 40phones if I wasn't making any
money off of them.
I even try, I try to prune minedown.

(35:03):
You know some people, some ofthese YouTubers they save all of
them.
Like I don't have the storagefor that.
Man Over over time, like afterthey're two years old, try to
sell them or give them away orsomething.
I can't have hundreds of phones.
Like where am I going to storeall these phones?
Plus you got to keep themcharged and stuff.
Yeah, like it's.
I don't understand.
I, I know some people have,like I guess if you're doing

(35:23):
that well like mkbhd or mr who'sthe boss, you're making 10 mil
plus you can make a room just tostore your phones.
We're not not doing that wellhere, yet I don't have enough
money to store my phones in adedicated room.
We've got to keep it going justa little bit more.
Sell a few more mystery boxes,then maybe I can afford to store
my phones in their own room,but not just yet.

(35:45):
So I don't know.
To summarize, I'll say I do notbelieve still that Samsung is
withholding updates specificallyto sell hardware.
I just don't believe that.
And that's no slight to thepeople on X who made these
comments.
I think the problem as well I'msure Daniel's not listening to
this from Sam Mobile, but if hedoes I think the problem was

(36:08):
that the way he presented in thevideo he presented it like he
was attacking those people on Xin particular and those are
members of the community,samsung community.
They want to feel like theiropinion is valued and they have
an opinion and they have areason to believe this, because
Samsung doesn't communicate tothem what is going on.
So I think that's the reasonwhy they felt slighted by some
of the things he said in thevideo.

(36:29):
But I mean, I don't want toslight them, I just don't think
that's the reason.
I think Samsung needs to bemore open, more honest,
communicate with people aboutwhat's going on with the updates
, and then we won't have theseconspiracy theories about oh,
it's delayed, even though thatwas the big debate was is it
really a delay?
Because One UI 7 just came outin April.
It's only five months.
That's the shortest cycle ever,but it's just like.

(36:51):
The perception is reality, man,no matter how you want to spin
it, if you launch a phone likethe Fold with one UI8 stable and
you take two months to releaseit on the phone that just came
out, seven months ago.
People are going to perceivethat as being a delay, because
that's a long-ass time.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
It is a delay At that point it's a delay.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
People look at the iPhone launches and they say,
well, apple releases iOS toevery iPhone in the world on the
same day and so if you don't doit, at least within a week of
releasing it.
It's a delay.
Perception matters Whether it'sreally a long time or not, and
it's not.
April to September is fivemonths and that's the shortest

(37:35):
time ever between two One UIupdates.
So from the time perspectivethe real meaning of the word
delay it's not really delayedfrom the traditional cycle of
One UI.
But when you release the stableupdate on a fold phone and then
you say, oh hey, you guys whobought the S25 Ultra in January,
go screw yourselves.
I'm making some gestures here inthe podcast office that we

(37:57):
can't put on audio.
No, we can't you say hey, goscrew yourselves and all that
money you spent less than sevenmonths ago.
We're going to make you waituntil September for this update.
Of course people can perceivethat as being a delay and it
does go back to the problem ofApple releases it to everybody
on the same time.
But we've talked about thisbefore on the show.
There's a reason for that andthat's what I was alluding to

(38:19):
before when I said we'll talkabout the other devices.
If you think about all thedevices that Samsung sells, they
sell hundreds of SKUs.
Apple sells like six SKUs thatall run the same type of
processor made by Apple.
Samsung sells like hundreds ofSKUs at various price points.
Not all the processors are madeby Samsung.

(38:41):
A lot of them are made byQualcomm.
Some of them are even made byMediaTek.
So three different companies.
They all have way differentrange of capabilities, because
some of them are phones thatsell for $100.
Some of them are phones thatsell for $2,000.
The ability to push out thesoftware update I know people
don't want to hear it, I've saidit many times in my career

(39:02):
covering Samsung and Android theability to push out software
updates all on the same day forSamsung is a fantasy, a pipe
dream.
Very pipe, it's just like it'sjust like that movie that Tori
saw Weapons.
It's not real.
Not real, it didn't happen.
It's a fallacy, it's not goingto happen ever.

(39:23):
There's just no way Samsung canpush out one button that says
oh one, UI 8, everybody's got itin the whole world.
You can download it today.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Don't expect that to ever happen.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Now some people on X said well, jeff, you're right, I
forgot who said this Fidel.
I forget his handle exactly,but I'm trying to give him a
shout out because I think he'sthe one who said it.
Maybe they could do it for theflagships.
Now, there you go.
Now, that is what they shoulddo and that's the accountability
level we should hold them to.
Any flagships that have comeout in the last, say, two years

(39:57):
at least, should all get theupdate on the same day.
If you release One UI 8 on theFold 7 on July 9th, you should
say hey, everybody who has anS25, Z Fold 6, z Flip 6, s24
series later today, go ahead andcheck update button, download
your one new i8.
You guys will get it todayeverybody gets it other models

(40:18):
will follow in the next coupleweeks.
But everybody who has the mostrecent two years of flagships,
you guys, get it the same day.
That seems very fair to me.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
No, I I think that's very fair.
Yeah, consumers will like that.
That's the kind of transparencypeople would appreciate because
I think people would understand.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
like again, this is another instance where Samsung
doesn't communicate the reason.
Right, like people peoplearen't stupid, the people who do
care about updates.
If you told them this andexplained it as I do and a lot
of times when I explain this topeople who've asked me in
comments, they say, oh well, Iunderstand that they don't like
it.
They say, oh well, I understandthat they don't like it, but
they understand it.
Why they can't just push it outto everybody on the same day?

(40:54):
It's not the same as Apple.
But if you just said, okay, wecan't do it for every model, but
all the Qualcomm flagshipswhich have Snapdragons in them
S24, s25, whatever recentSnapdragons we'll push the

(41:17):
update to all those phones atthe same time because they all
have enough power to run therecent features that are in the
update and you guys will get it.
So if you bought the phonerecently, you're at least
getting two years of day one oneui upgrades.
So, samsung, if you guys listento this, just send the check to
sammy guru.
Care of jeff springer.
Yep and uh, you guys get intouch with me, jeff, at sammy
gurucom.
I can send you the address youguys get in touch with me, jeff
at SammyGreercom, I can send youthe address.
You guys are actually alreadyhave it because you sent me some
units here.
Just go ahead and put the checkin the mail for the idea you

(41:39):
guys are listening.
You're welcome.
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All right, everybody, we areback of a bunch of other

(43:13):
upcoming hardware Samsung hasthat are not smartphones,
Because we have quite a fewthings that should be coming
this year and early next year aswell, and Tori was just asking
me about a couple that I forgotabout Just because we've been
gone for so long just runningdown some of these big things,
these first two weeks.
Back Next week we'll get backinto some smaller news stories
as we have time, but I justwanted to cover some of the big

(43:37):
status of big hardware items.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
So first the galaxy ring 2, which tori just asked me
about.
Tori's like where's that galaxyring 2?
It was like all like the firstring was all the rage and then
they were releasing all thisstuff for the galaxy ring 2 and
since we were talking earlierabout you know, wanting to, or
when people might want toupgrade the watch, like I mean,
that seems to be like theprimary accessory, to go with
the accessory of the watch.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, it is.
And also, if you don't want towear a smartwatch, it's the
other way you could track yourhealth without wearing a watch.
So, uh, I've actually beenwearing the galaxy ring more
probably than my Samsung watch,cause I like to wear a
mechanical watch a lot and I canwear the Ring and I can still
get all my fitness informationsynced into Samsung Health and
then I can just wear this GalaxyWatch if I want when I work out
, because it's a little bitbetter at tracking some of the

(44:19):
workouts.
But Galaxy Ring 2 is likely notlaunching in 2025.
It's likely going to launch inJanuary 2026 along with the
Galaxy S26 series.
So if you're looking for a Ring2, it's probably coming, still
quite a ways away, about fivemonths.
Um, probably it'll be a deallike with the watches, where if

(44:40):
you order s26, you'll be able toget like a ring for a pretty
cheap price, like with the watcheight on the fold launch.
If you bought a fold and awatch together or flip in a
watch, you get like a 40discount.
So probably get a couplehundred hundred $150 off the
Ring.
I am excited about it.
I mean there's been no concreteleaks about what they might do,
but we had talked about acouple of ideas that I would

(45:02):
really like to see.
I'd really love to seeincreasing the gesture
applicability of the Ring.
It'd be really nice if the Ringcould integrate with especially
with first-party Samsung appsso I could just move my hand
around to do various things.
Um, now, it seems like it wouldbe pretty easy to do.
If you had your ring on anappropriate finger, you could
easily use more gestures.

(45:23):
They already have some gestures, but like pinch gestures and
things like that, to like getrid of your alarm, swipe, you
know, minimize your alarm, andstuff like that I know you were
really wanting the payment Ireally want the payment.
Yeah, yeah, that was the otherone, that one.
I still don't know if it willhappen this time, but I feel
like gestures in the first partysamsung apps like that should
be a given.
They have a lot of apps thatthey could integrate themselves.

(45:45):
I mean, obviously I'd love tosee it in third-party apps too,
like if I could archive my emailin gmail with a ring gesture.
That would be nice, but I don'tknow if that will happen.
The first iteration willprobably be a lot of the first
party apps like you could.
Maybe what would really be coolactually, now they think about
it especially well, I mean, youstill won't be very precision,
but if I could use my ringfinger that I have galaxy ring

(46:08):
on to jot down samsung notes insamsung notes using air gestures
.
So I'm gonna say get some milkand I just write it in the air
with my finger and it appears onthe notes.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, that'd be dope.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean I would.
I would say that would be afeature.
People would be like that'spretty cool.
Yeah, um, I might actually usethat.
That's a feature where I couldactually see like if, because I
mean especially if there's goingto get rid of the S-Bin I mean
if that happens, then like Idon't even need to take the
phone off the table, I can justdo a note.
I could do like some kind ofpinch gesture or swipe to open

(46:43):
Samsung Notes.
Maybe I do a triple pinch, thenI just write down something on
my to-do list and then I do atriple pinch to like close the
app and boom, I just took a noteusing my finger.
That'd be cool.
But the payments is somethingI'd really love to see.
I just don't know.
We talked about before thesecurity aspect of that.
I'm not sure how to integratethat, because you have to have
authentication for the paymentin some way.

(47:05):
So you're either it's not goingto be as seamless as you want,
because unless you can make agesture that's unique enough
that you could use it as apayment thing, or it's tied to
some kind of bio signature, likeyour heartbeat.
But your heartbeat changes, soit's not really possible.
There's probably some biosignature.
Maybe they could figure out howto use.
Otherwise you're gonna have totake your watch or your phone

(47:26):
out to approve the payment onthe ring and then that point
messages.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
That defeats the purpose.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I might as well use my phone or my watch, which I
can already use the phone or thewatch to make a payment.
Samsung pays already on thewatch.
So the whole point would bethat it's just a little bit
faster because with the with mywrist, sometimes I have to like
turn it awkwardly, yeah, whereasmy ring it's a little my
fingers a little more flexible,you know, it's a little more
adaptable, just turn it howeverI want.
Sometimes I have to lean up andbe like, ah, my wrist hurts,

(47:55):
but with your finger they canmove a little bit differently, a
little more malleable than yourwrist.
That's why I'd like to see it.
I would also love it if theybrought back MST We've talked
about that before.
I don't think it's ever comingback the magnetic stripe reading
technology where you could payat terminals that don't have NFC
.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
You know that was just like magic back in the day,
cause people would be like Jeff, sorry, we don't take Apple pay
here and I'd be like boop.
And they'd be like oh my God,well, how did that happen?
Are you a wizard?
Yeah, and I'd be like I'm not awizard.
I'm pretty sure I've said thisbefore on the podcast, but I
just love my memories of usingit at places that I get targeted
all the time.
They'd be like we don't acceptthat here.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I'd be like you do now Just pay for my stuff.
See you guys later.
Walk out, peace, peace.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Got my receipt.
People still have their jawsopen.
I'm just like I'll see you guys.
Have a great night.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
And that was that I know.
And you might say, if you'relistening to this well, jeff,
we've heard that story a lot,but people, everybody has nfc.
Now you would be wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
That's false, because walmart still doesn't take nfc
yeah, I know one of the largestretailers in the entire country
right and you went the other day, yeah, yeah, oh, wait, you
can't.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
And even now they uh, in the remodel Walmarts they
have the terminals with thecapability to use it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
They just don't actually turn it on Because they
want you to use Walmart Paywhich is their thing.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
they make that no one wants and no one is ever going
to use.
I think I know two people whoplay for Walmart Plus yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Walmart Pay is not a.
Thing.
Walmart, yeah, no.
We're not going to make Walmartpay a?
Thing?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
like a mean girls.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
No like fetch.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Yeah, walmart pay is never going to happen.
No, just like fetch isn't goingto happen, walmart's going to
go and just burn book.
That's right, you're going tomy burn book.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Every time I go to Walmart and I check out, it just
don't accept NFC still, notjust for your phone, but also if
you have a tap to pay card.
You can't use that either.
You can't, you might cause.
You might say, oh well, notthat many people still use their
phone.
Well, one, a lot of people do,but two people who don't.
They're using the NFC enabledcards.
Now, because everyone prettymuch does that, no one inserts
their card anymore.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
So every time I go to Walmart I have to insert my
card.
I'm like what is this 2016?
You know, nobody got time forthat.
Nobody got time for that.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Boop, boop, boop, and then you know you got to take
it out, you got to take it out.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It takes a lot of time, it does A lot of effort.
When I could have just beenlike boop, I could have just
been like boop, like a wizard,sort of like to see Don't take
those as features that arecoming, because we know
absolutely nothing.
It could, for all we know, bethe exact same product.

(50:40):
They just call it the GalaxyRing 2.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
That's what I was going to ask and I know we're
going to kind of go down theline of all their products or
devices that they have now, but,like when we're looking at
these accessories, so obviouslyyou have to do a phone every
year because you got to competewith the others, but like these,
some of these accessories, likethe ring, like I don't I mean

(51:03):
as an average consumer like Idon't see the need for it to be
a yearly or every two yearlaunch maybe, like maybe every
two year.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I don't think samsung sees the need to release a ring
every year.
Right now, I don't think soeither.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Because, one the main driving force for Samsung to
release something every year isif Apple does it, because that's
the only competition they careabout and Apple doesn't have a
ring yet.
So when Apple has a ring, maybethey'll do it every year.
That's just being honest,samsung doesn't care about what
anybody else does, becausethey're bigger, as we've talked
about many times they're biggerthan everybody else except.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Apple.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So no one else is even really in their mind when
they make a decision.
They don't care about what,they don't care what Aura is
doing.
I mean I know Aura kind of AuraRing kind of started the smart
ring game for the most part andmade it popular, but Aura is
such a small company compared toSamsung.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
They don't give a damn what Aura's doing at all.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
They're not going to base their product cycle and
cadence on Aura.
They only base their productcycle and cadence on if Apple
has direct competition, which isexactly why everyone should be.
Who likes foldables should beglad, because next year when
Apple releases a foldable,Samsung will kick their game up
about 10 notches.
That's exactly why the Fold 7is such a beast, because they
know next year Apple is finallygoing to enter the chat and they

(52:14):
don't want to have some weaklooking garbage foldable like
the Fold 6.
No offense to anybody who hasone, but it looks awful compared
to the other Folds on themarket.
It's too thick and narrow coverscreen.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I would say definitely going into next year,
with Apple releasing theirspotentially.
I think the Fold 7 is a reallygood mark impression and they
still got one more releasebefore Apple releases theirs.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Oh true, yeah, Because the Fold 8 will come out
in July and the new Foldablewon't come out until September.
So Samsung is, I will say.
People always say Apple inventsthe game category.
I don't, this is a prediction.
I don't think it's going to beNot with game on the category.
I don't, this is a prediction,I don't think it's not
affordable.
I don't think it'll be so easyon the foldable yeah, no,
there's a lot of.
It's such a time like since thefirst one, so now like that's a

(53:01):
lot of ground for apple toactually great point, because
when they really, when applereleased a big phone, right like
samsung released the note, andI think it was like four years
later, apple released the iPhone6 and the 6 Plus or whatever.
They released the big versionsof the iPhone.
Well, this hasn't been fouryears.
This is going to have been nowseven and a half years since.
Samsung released the first Fold,so you've given Samsung almost

(53:23):
twice as long of a head start.
The hardware and the challengesinvolved in foldables and the
software together, I just thinkit's going to be difficult.
I don't think that first iPhoneFold is going to be good.
Now, hey, that doesn't meandon't quote me as saying it
won't sell well because Applefans will spy whatever Apple
tells them to.
They'll just go out and buy it.
They'll be Apple will be likeyeah, the three inch bezel is a

(53:46):
huge selling feature.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Look how big that bezel is onthe front.
Look how thick it is.
It's so thick so you can use itas a weapon in case someone
tries to steal it from you.
Hit them over the head with it.
It's heavy like a brick.
They'll be like oh wow, that'samazing, only $3,500.
Where do I buy it?
They're like well, we only madeabout 5,000 of them.

(54:09):
So it shows us back ordered onthe apple store so we can make
people believe it's reallypopular, even though it's not
yeah they're sold out.
Yeah, until december, and thenyou can give us 3500 for one.
Yeah, and use a phone and use aphone that has three inch
bezels and it's about threeinches thick looks like a bit
heavier than a macbook but itfolds.

(54:31):
Uh, anyway, I don't think theiphone fold is going to be that
great and the Fold 8 has stillgot a chance to even impress
more.
Next year We'll see whatSamsung does, but I mean that's
going to be interesting.
I mean I think Apple's going tobe in a little trouble on the
Fold.
That's just my prediction.
I also think the iPhone 17 Air,which is coming out next month,
is not as good as the S25 edge.

(54:54):
It's got a much smaller batterylife on the ultra thin and
that's going to kill them on it,because the I just bought.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Every iphone user I know like all their main concern
is the camera camera and thebattery and people are like well
, ios optimized the battery.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Well, so far, ios 26, the battery life hasn't been
that good.
I know it's a beta, but but Imean it's got a very small
battery.
I think it's less than 3000milliamps.
I don't know, man.
I don't know if Apple'ssoftware optimization can save
the battery when the batterycell is that small.
If they do, I'll give themtheir props on that one.
But I still think the S25 Edgelooks like a nicer piece.
We'll see.

(55:39):
Of course, I'll have theiPhones next month to.
We'll do some podcast thoughtson them, because they are the
main competition.
Yeah, anyway, let's run downthe next product.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
The next product is the um trifold the galaxy
trifold, which is a phone, butkind of a phone plus a tablet.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, right, at that point, yeah and so supposedly
it's going to release later in2025, but likely not in the
United States.
Likely it's going to release inKorea and China only, which
could make it very tricky on me,because last year I imported
the Z Fold Special Edition fromKorea and everyone was super
psyched about that.
They're like Jeff, thanks fordoing it, and I got lots of

(56:06):
views on YouTube.
It's cool, it's great.
But that was expensive.
It cost me $3,500.
This year, thanks to ourpresident here in the United
States making America greatagain.
Um, if I imported from Koreathat's potential I might have to
pay more than $5,000 to importa trifold, because the price
will probably be around 3000.

(56:28):
And then, if I pay a 40% tariffplus some other regular customs
duties, it's probably going toget close to 5K.
I don't know, man, I've got tothink about that.
I'm not sure what.
I don't know.
I'm just curious what do youthink about?
I mean, obviously it'sexpensive, but what do you think
about the appetite for consumerinterest in the trifle that

(56:51):
goes from a regular slab phoneto a small tablet to a big
tablet?
Do you think people haveinterest in that?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
So I think that man, obviously, obviously, it's going
to have everyone's attention,let's start there is going to
have everyone's attention, let'sstart there.
That price range though I meanyou're looking at maybe the top
10% of people that can affordthat.
Average consumers are not goingto be buying that, but I will

(57:20):
say that's definitely going tomake a statement whenever they
do release it, just only becausewe've never seen anything like
that in the US.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
They'll be like Leonardo DiCaprio.
You have my curiosity, but nowyou have my attention.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yes, now you have my attention Very suave, and it's
going to go back to when Samsungwas.
I mean like right, when theFold first came out.
It's going to be the new luxuryphone Now.
Do you think when the Trifoldcomes out will the Fold start to
go down in price?
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I do think so.
Yeah, you think so.
I think they'll start.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I hope so.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Well, once it comes mainstream, like to all regions,
yeah.
This first year?
I don't know, because it'sgoing to be exclusive.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
And also, too, when Apple releases theirs.
Well, there was going to bethat competition.
Well, you know, they're notgoing to release a trifold to
like 2035.
Yeah, oh yeah, no, you mean theregular foldable yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
That's on for a regular foldable.
I think once apple releasestheirs, like now, there's this
competition because that you cankind of get simpson can kind of
get away a little bit now,because they're the only ones
that's doing it and they weretrying to do that up until this
year.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, last year.
They're like let's just put outthe same phone three years in a
row and see if anybody I meanwhat's the competition like?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
there's nothing to drive them to change.
But once apple enters, I meannow samsung really has to think
about how do I get these phonesout to more consumers, because
we already know that a bunch ofapple users have probably been
waiting patiently for a foldfrom apple because they don't
want to buy samsung.
And now samsung really is goingto have to push.

(58:59):
How do I get more of thesefoldable out there and then I
can still keep my luxury item asthe trifold right, because
people are niche people arestill gonna buy those, but I
think they're gonna it to.
To keep everything balanced, letthe trifold be that top tier.
Start bringing down thosefoldable prices so average

(59:20):
consumers can get last year, inmay of 2024, the fold engineers
at samsung.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
They were like guys.
I just got off the phone withTM Rowe.
He told me that we weresupposed to release a Z Fold 6
in two months.
And they're like, oh damn, didanyone make one?
I'm like no, Maybe we just takethe Z Fold 5 from last year,
change the colors, change the 5to a 6, maybe raise the price.

(59:49):
Just just pushed out the dooryeah, and they're like no, that
will never work.
And then they did it and tm rowis like man, this is amazing
huge profit margins.
We just reused the phone fromlast year and genius, and they
still sold millions of them yep,genius, but yeah, I mean,
samsung's not gonna be able toget away with that anymore, and
thankfully they didn't do thatthis year.
I mean, this phone is trulyimpressive.

(01:00:10):
But it's a damn shame for peoplewho bought the Fold 6 last year
, who obviously not everybodycan afford to get a phone every
year.
I mean, probably a lot ofpeople who bought a Fold can't
afford to upgrade year over yearbecause it's an expensive phone
in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
But it does suck.
I feel we can pretty much nowexpect.
I mean, if, like, the trifoldis going to be probably released
in like Asian markets first, Ias an average consumer just
consumers in general we canprobably just start expecting to
.
You know, because, again, likethese are costly phones, these
aren't like phones I can just goout and just up and buy without

(01:00:49):
a second thought.
You know, I think we shouldstart looking towards those
special launches because morethan likely we're going to get
that in the coming year or so.
And so to kind of just gauge,like you know, what should I be
spending my money on?
I think we should start lookingat those, those particular
launches.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I mean the trifold is not going to be the
second phone that Kevin Gates isusing.
No, he has two phones he hasone for the plug and one for the
dough.
Yeah, but definitely the secondone is not the Tri-Fold.
No, it's like I can't be usingthat one.
I can't be using a $3,500 phonefor the plug.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
No, not for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
You just got to burn your phone for that.
Yep, you know, but I can'tdecide if I want to port it.
I mean, I kind of want tobecause you know.
Then what I'll do is I'll justyou know, when I go to
Cheesecake Factory, because thefirst time I got the fold I went
to Cheesecake Factory and Iwhipped out my fold and the

(01:01:50):
waitress they're like callingeveryone over, like have ever
seen this before.
This time what I'll do is I'llgo there and I'll be like, hey,
you guys have any menus and I'llbe like wait, I brought my own.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I'll just unfold it and go to the website and pull
up the menu and just turn itvertically and be like oh, never
mind I have a menu right hereyes, perfect size, same size as
the regular menu.
Guys, you heard it here first.
Yeah, there we go you know just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
But I mean, if I pay $5,000 for it, I have to do it.
You have to get a little flexout of it if you're going to
spend that much money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I mean I'll have to do a ton of work because I'll
have to try to pay for thatcontent.
Because I'm not going to buy itif I don't think I can make
money doing this.
But 5K is a huge amount ofmoney.
I have to be sure I can makethat back off the content, which
means if I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
But you definitely will.
I think I will if.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I make enough videos, but I have to think of like a
good five videos.
I like to think of it as like Ineed to break it up into a
certain number of videos.
I need to make an average ofthis amount per video.
So that's five videos at athousand dollars in AdSense per
video, because I like to makethe actual cost of the phone
back just off the YouTubeAdSense, not affiliates or
anything else, not sponsorships,which I could probably get too,

(01:02:58):
because you know you're takinga big risk.
Other people are like well, youwouldn't just, would you buy it
for $5,000 if you didn't thinkyou could get the money back?
Of course you wouldn't.
You'd be like, damn, my wifewould kill me.
Well, me too I'm not going tobuy for $5,000 if I don't think
it's a smart business decision.
But the special edition, Ithought it was because I was
able to get it before anybodyelse.

(01:03:18):
That's always important.
I have a contact at a retailerin Korea.
If they tell me hey, jeff, Ican get it for you early, then
that will change my opinion.
Just like with the full specialedition.
I'd be willing to spend a decentamount of money if I could be
number one, because that changesa lot of things.
I'm guaranteed to get a massiveamount of ad revenue.
I ended up getting about twicewhat I paid for the Fold Special

(01:03:38):
Edition just from ad revenue,but that's because I was the
first person to ever post avideo on YouTube about it.
That changes the entire game.
Even if you're second, you'regoing to probably lose money
then.
That doesn't.
You're gonna probably losemoney then.
That's.
That's how critical thedifference between having the
first unboxing and cameracomparisons and having the
second one is when it comes toyoutube.
Unless you're someone huge likeif you're mkbc, it doesn't
matter, everyone watches yourstuff.

(01:03:59):
But if you're in the 200 000 to500 000 subscriber range, the
difference between being firstand second is probably 5 000
plus dollars of.
So I don't know if I'll importit.
I'm undecided.
It all depends on when it comesout, what I need to be doing at
that time in terms of otherobligations that I have for the
business and can I get it superearly from that same Korean

(01:04:21):
retailer who got me my fullspecial edition.
They've been pretty good overthe years.
I bought a lot of phones fromthem probably 30 phones, because
back in the day I used toimport phones from Korea so I
could get them early.
When I used to, I didn't getreviewed and it's back in the
day, so I would always pay themextra money to get phones from
Korea, cause they would come outin Korea first, like back with
the S5, s6, s7.
So I've been buying phones fromthis retailer forever.

(01:04:42):
So of course, when you build upa history with someone, they're
willing to, you know, slide toslide you a little preferential
treatment if you spend a lot ofmoney with them.
So maybe I'll be able to get itearly and see and I'd probably
be willing to do it if I coulddo that.
What else?
The Galaxy XR controller.
Let's talk about that becausethat's another piece of hardware

(01:05:05):
that's coming out in additionto the trifold and the ring.
Let me actually bring this uphere.
This is supposed to be comingout relatively soon.
We've already seen Google andSamsung preview this twice and
it just got FCC approval today.
The FCC certification henceSamsung XR headset may launch
globally soon Runs the QualcommSnapdragon XR2 Plus Gen 2

(01:05:29):
chipset.
They already teased it twicewith Google.
They didn't unveil it atUnpacked in July.
A lot of people thought thatthe Fold event they were going
to have.
I feel like that would havebeen the place to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
That would have been the place that honestly would
have been the place to do it,but that event was so packed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I think that's why they didn't do it, because they
already had Fold 7,.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
But at least to tease it they should have done
another teaser.
You're going to see again.
This type of device is just ahard sell.
I mean, when I go to Target andWalmart I still see a bunch of
VR headsets that are just notused, never touched.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
And actually, now that I think about it, yeah, I
think this will probably launchin the next month.
I was just about to saysomething that I wasn't supposed
to say.
I got some information from somecontacts who told me that some
things might be happening soon.
I think this is probably what'sgoing to happen soon.
So the US model number showedup in the FCC and we originally

(01:06:28):
heard that the device mightlaunch in Korea on October 13th.
So maybe they're going to havea US launch simultaneously to
that, because that's two monthsaway and usually when Samsung
starts talking to media aboutupcoming events it's a couple
months ahead of time.
Now that I'm saying I knowanything Of course I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Why would I?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I wouldn't reveal secret information on this
podcast, but it's going to haveimpressive pixel density, around
3,800 PPI Sony's flagship OLEDdisplays and it's going to be
very expensive.
It's rumored to cost between$2,000 and $3,000, which is
still likely.
I think it's going to be closerto the middle of that or the

(01:07:10):
lower end, probably to 1999 to2499, still a thousand to 1500
less than Apple's headset.
Yeah, so you know, that's good,I think, but still very
expensive.
As you said before, when wetalked about this device before
we went on the break from thepodcast, they kind of needed to
bring it in a little bit cheaperto get people to adopt it.

(01:07:32):
Mass market, like I feel likeyou were right, like they should
have went with a headset thatwas more like the meta headsets
which are on the $400, $300,$400, $500 price range Like
that's more like where peoplecan buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
You like some demos and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I feel like you got to get this in people's hands.
Yeah, put out a really good andit also needs to be something
people can buy to dorecreational activities.
Yeah, like the average personis not dropping 2500 just to do
something for fun.
No, like people spend 2500 on alaptop if they need one for
their job because that's a toolfor them to make money during
the living.
That's a different story and,as much as I hate to say it,
apple's headset has convinced me.
I know some people or youtubersdisagree, some influencers has

(01:08:14):
convinced me that these headsetsare not going to be great
productivity tools.
I tried one on that a friendhad like this right now, anyway,
they're not.
Like.
I still rather use my macbookon my two external displays that
I have here at the office.
I do not want to replace itwith the headset, and so that's
a really tough sell when you'resomeone like hey, yeah, I'd like
to buy one of these.
They look really cool, I'mgoing to play, just play some

(01:08:35):
games on it.
You know, maybe I'll watch somemovies.
And how much is it?
$2,500.
No, thank you.
I could just buy a TV plus aPlayStation five plus an Xbox
plus a switch for $2,500.
You can go find a really goodTV during when this have sales,
like 75 inch for like a thousandand you could buy all three

(01:08:55):
gaming systems.
You could probably two gamingsystems and a nice gaming PC
hard, you know, a nice tower.
Why am I going to spend $2,500on this Like?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
you've got to convince me.
Yeah, and they're like oh well,you know you can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
You can pretend that you're on vacation in the Swiss
Alps.
I could just go to the SwissAlps $2,500.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
With that money I might as welljust be there, I just go on
vacation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I don't want to pretend that I'm in the Swiss
Alps, not that much.
Yeah, I think if it's going tobe this price point, there has
to be a reason for people toactually use this as part of
their productivity, in additionto like it has to help them make
some money.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
In addition to being fun.
It can't just be fun for 2500not to sell volume they're gonna
need and we talked about thisbefore like having um, like
partner up with best buy andlike really get on the marketing
.
Um, have some demo stations upin like best Buy, like got to
get in people's hands and like,yeah, let people see it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
I think games are the really big selling point.
No, yeah, I think so too, xrand VR headsets, because, again,
I mean, we harped on it lasttime.
I know it was several monthsago.
We talked about like I'm notwearing this in Starbucks or the
library or some restaurant Likeyou could just wear this.
Instead, take your laptop, youcould wear this and get your

(01:10:13):
work done.
Starbucks I'm not doing thatman?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
no, I like to have an awareness of my surroundings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, because, and you can it- will go clear.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
You can see, okay, but then people think you're
creeping on them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yes, you know like the cashier at harkins, if you
were wearing it at harkins.
Yes, you might think thatyou're taking photos of her
through your vr headset orsomething you know what I mean
yeah, you know what I'm saying,tori no just hypothetically yes
if that were a case, or atstarbucks?
Yeah, because why would you bewearing the headset at harkins?

(01:10:44):
They probably outlawed themanyway yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Yeah, they don't want you wearing that during the
movie.
No recording recording.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Recording the movie or something like that.
They want that.
But yeah, I mean, I'm notwearing this out in public right
now.
They're too heavy, they're toobulky.
I mean the Samsung one looks alittle bit better.
But I think the main sellingpoint of this is entertainment
right now Gaming, watchingmovies, and they're great for
that.
But average person $2,500 is avery tough sell.

(01:11:12):
The metal one way better sellfor the purposes for which these
are best suited at the timebeing.
Um, I think it'd be better todo a lower price one than later.
Do galaxy xr ultra headset,once you've perfected it and
maybe you also have like alighter version that maybe looks
better, that maybe does haveproductivity use cases.
Yeah, then you could raise theprice for that one.
But but I think you want tosell volume when you have a new
product category and I don'tthink they're going to be able

(01:11:34):
to massively sell volume.
But you know, hey, Tori and Icould be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
We're probably not, but you know we could.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
The last product, big flagship product coming up,
which should be in the nextcouple months as well next month
or October, next month or twois they've got the galaxy S 25 F
, e.
I don't really have a lot tosay about that because it's
basically like it's just a midrange phone that probably
doesn't need to exist anymore.
It's it's a phone that a lot ofpeople buy, but I don't I still

(01:12:05):
don't know why it exists.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
My girlfriend's uncle like.
I still don't know why itexists.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
My girlfriend's uncle .
He loves that the FE.
Yeah, I don't know why peoplelove the FE, but they do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I don't know why they like it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Maybe is it because he's an older gentleman and so
maybe just the simplicity I meanit's definitely a decent value,
but it's not that much cheaperthan the base model S phone and
it releases eight months afterthe regular s25 lineup.
I mean, it's slightly biggerscreen size but it's not as high

(01:12:35):
resolution.
There's a lot of weirdtrade-offs.
Plus, the name is weird.
Fe stands for fan edition yeahhow's it a fan edition when it's
got worst resolution?

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
I don't.
I don't understand anything.
I'm just a fan.
Just a fan.
I just want to have something.
I'm just a fan, I just likegiving.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Samsung money for no reason for a phone that
shouldn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I just go here, I just want a phone that says
Samsung on it, Maybe some pastelcolors.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
For some reason they slap those on the FEC, I mean,
which are some cool, interestingcolors.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
But I think they do it so people know you don't have
the regular.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
S25.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Oh true, yeah, they're like here just have some
peasant pastel colors and thenkeep it moving.
But there are interestingcolors.
They probably should put someof those on the regular S line.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
No, I think so too.
I think we need more fun colors.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
I would like to get some fun colors.
There are a couple of funcolors on this one, I think you
know none of it.
Nothing about the FE makes anysense to me.
It's just all very confusing.
I have the S24 FE from lastyear and I don't I've honestly
not turned it on in like thelast two months.
I turn it on occasionally whenthere's a decent software update
we need to cover.
It's just a very confusingphone.
Every time I take it to look atit and I go into a confused

(01:13:54):
state.
I can't get any work donebecause I think about how
confusing it is as a product.
So you know I don't want to.
I got a lot going on, I don'twant to confuse myself too much,
but but I really don'tunderstand this particular
product.
So we'll see though, we will.
Obviously we'll cover it.
We leaked the first renders ofit with on leaks, but it looks
very similar to last year's s24iv, so it's not really that
super exciting, but we did havethe first renders at Samiguru.
We had that exclusive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Hashtag exclusive Hashtag Samiguru.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
And then the other lineup coming out is the Tab S11
and the S11 Ultra, and againnot something that excites me.
That's why I waited until theend to talk about it, because
this is the least exciting ofall these things.
The last like four Samsung TabUltras have all looked very
similar, and I don't thinkthere's a massive change this

(01:14:37):
time either.
I mean, just keep it steady.
They're just like we got to puta tablet out there.
The people want a tablet, justchange the number, Maybe change
the processor?
For no reason.
Last year they switched to aMediaTek, which I think they did
that to save themselves money.
They're like let's just bump upour profit margins, give the
people a slightly worseprocessor.
Sway looks the same.
They'll buy it, no one willnotice, just charge $1,400 for

(01:14:57):
it, they're like but wait, isn'tthat more expensive than our
laptops?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Ah, don't like.
I love samsung.
I gotta have it all.
Yeah, gotta catch them all,just like pokemon gotta catch
them all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Samsung galaxy items yeah, um, they're like I gotta
have the watch, the ring, thephone, tablet the galaxy book
the buds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
I need it all I like it and all the first party cases
yeah they're like cold stonelike it love it, gotta have it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
put that ice cream in my cup, I gotta have it.
I'm like a crack fiend rightnow I'm fiending for the ice
cream, but anyway, I don't know.
I mean the Tab S11, I'm sorry,there's just nothing that
exciting.
The only thing that's excitingabout me, to me, is they finally
put the base model last year.
Remember they, it was alsosuper confusing.
They only did a plus and anultra.
So this year they're not doinga plus and they're just doing

(01:15:49):
the Tab.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
S11.
Okay, it's just like.
Like, it's just all over theplace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
It's like they fragment their lineup just to
confuse people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
People get going to Best Buy, They'll be like let me
get the Tab S11 Plus.
And the guy's like it doesn'texist.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Yeah, sorry, last year.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Like, well, they don't have that one this year?
Last year they didn't have aTab S10, so now they have the
Tab S11 to make up for nothaving the Tab S10.
But they took away the Tab S11Plus because they had a Tab S10
Plus and they're like, well,what's the difference between
them?
Well, nothing really, Just thenumbers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
And they raised the price by $100.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, and I go.
Well, I'll take the Tab S9 then, because it's on sale for $500
off.
That's what I would do.
Anyway we'll definitely havereviews of all those things, but
I'm just being honest.
I give you some honest opinionsabout Samsung, even though I
love them.
You keep it real I don't thinkthe S25, fe or Tab S11 launches
are interesting, veryinteresting at all.
I probably would get a Tab S11myself just because I like the
size.
I do not like the size of thePlus or the Ultra as a usable

(01:16:48):
daily tablet because they'rejust too damn big.
I mean, I have a Tab S10 Ultrabut it sits on my desk and I
just use it to watch media andsometimes multitask with my
social accounts, but I can't useit for general tablet reading
and stuff like that games.
I use my iPad for that becauseit's a more reasonable size.

(01:17:10):
They should make the base modelevery year because I think
that's the most reusable tabletsize that there is.
Um, that's pretty much it.
The galaxy book 6 series, whichis their laptop series.
I am excited for that, butthat's probably not coming out
until, I'm guessing, january,along with the s line.
They don't always launch thegalaxy books along with like a
big unpacked event.
Sometimes they're launched ontheir own.
Yeah, this is like a mediaannouncement, but those are

(01:17:32):
looking exciting.
I mean samsung's laptops.
They've really been makingprogress there.
For some reason, they just likedecided to stop trying with
tablets.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
It's like ah, apple beat us there you know, you got
like, you got us on that onethey're like we can't be
spending too much more money onthat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yeah, apple's got like 90 percent of the worldwide
tablet market share.
Like it's time to just keepdoing the bare minimum there.
But with laptops they'vestarted gaining market share in
the Windows side and they'vebrought out some good laptops
the Galaxy Book 4 Edge last year, galaxy Book 5 Pro 360.
I have both of those and I usethem a lot.
They're very good theefficiency, the battery.
I mean.

(01:18:06):
If it wasn't for the fact thatthey just their battery life
still isn't quite as good as theMacBook, I would consider
leaving my MacBook Pro to use aGalaxy Book as my daily driver,
because they work so well withmy Galaxy phones Quick share and
all that stuff.
Like you've got, you canbasically access your Galaxy
phone from your Galaxy Book.
You can mirror it so you canopen all your phone apps on your
computer.
That's awesome.

(01:18:26):
I can't do that on my MacBookbecause, um, because obviously I
don't use an iphone.
But I mean, yeah, I mean Iwould consider using the galaxy
book because it is such a nicepiece.
I would actually say, tori, ifyou, when you get ready to look
for a new laptop whenever you do, since you use so much samsung
stuff.
Consider a galaxy book, becausethey have some nice.
They have some nice pieces, Imean they and they usually have
some pretty good deals too, likeon the trade inside-in side.

(01:18:48):
We love the deals you trade inan old Windows laptop.
I think that's the one placewhere they should.
If they wanted to get a lot ofmarket share in laptops, they
should bump up the trade-in evenmore, because right now they'll
give you like $500 for your oldWindows laptop.
If they give you like $800 or$1,000, like they do for the
phone trade-ins, people will belike I'm buying one today why
not?

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
I already use a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Galaxy phone.
Why not have a Galaxy laptop?
Because I can sync all my stuffand use my phone screen right
there on my laptop, get all mymessages from my Galaxy phone on
there.
You can even use your phone aslike a second screen.
You can get cross-device appsand everything.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Oh wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
You can use the S Pen from your phone to takeode on
your laptop.
There's all kinds of cool stuffyou can do with Samsung
continuity services.
So yeah, I mean I would say, ifyou continue to use Galaxy,
whenever you do need anotherlaptop, it's worth looking at.
Maybe they'll increase thetrade-ins if they really want to
get serious about takingWindows Share from Lenovo and

(01:19:43):
some of these other companies.
They're doing a lot of thingsright in that area, so I'm just
breaking down the products today.
Samsung, you guys are reallycrapping the bed on the tablets.
The S25 FE is basically e-waste.
It's time to delete that series.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I don't think we need it, we don't need it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Maybe that's why they're changing the base model
S25 to S25 Pro.
Then people won't be able tosay the FE is like not needed
anymore.
It's like, oh well, that's thefan edition and you know it's
for fans.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Whatever that means, yeah, whatever that means.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Whatever the hell that means.
Anyway, I think that's about itfor today.
Had a good time.
We talked about a lot of funstuff today.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
We caught up mostly on all the big stories, I think
One UI8.
We've covered all the cominghardware launches, went through
the S26 series in detail.
Next week we'll be backcovering smaller news stories.
I got a lot of small ones linedup to talk about that.
I want to talk about variousapp updates and things that have
happened in the community.
Anything else to add, tori,though, before we get out of
here?
No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I think it was good Time to go grab that Whataburger
shake for you.
Oh, yes, I will be getting that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Eye.

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