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From spooky tales to Samsung's strategies, our discussion shifts to the tech giant’s intriguing plans. The dilemma over holding onto a limited edition Z-Fold phone is just the beginning. We speculate on the Galaxy S25 Special Edition and its potential face-off with Apple's rumored iPhone 17 Air. The naming debate—whether it's the "S25 Slim" or "S25 Special Edition"—is on the table, along with Samsung's ambitious XR headset plans, poised to give Apple's Vision Pro a run for its money at a suggested $500 price tag.

Is Samsung dropping the iconic Galaxy brand? We weigh the rumors and their implications for the company's flagship devices. Our chat reveals exciting features from Samsung's latest One UI 7.0 and explores the evolving landscape of smartphone upgrades, from payment plans to the enticing features of the S25 Ultra. To wrap it all up, we engage with listeners' questions, hint at next week's content, and savor the anticipation of enjoying a Potbelly sandwich. Join us for a packed episode brimming with tech insights and Halloween hijinks!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is episode number 19 ofthe Sammy Guru podcast.
My name is Jeff Springer.
With me, as always, my co-host,torrey Torrey, say hi, hey,
how's it going?
And we're here on the Saturday.
We're doing some weekendwarrior podcasting today.
We weren't able to get it doneyesterday, so we're here at the
office on a Saturday for youguys.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Just for you.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ready to talk about some Samsung news.
I had a pretty good week.
It's Halloween.
I had a very busy Halloween.
We catered Jonathan'skindergarten well,
pre-kindergarten, because he'sfour, so he's in the grade
before kindergarten.
Nicole's like the class mom, soshe planned the party and then

(00:41):
I took the day off, so it wasn'tthe office to go and help her
set up.
So we went and bought cupcakesfrom Scottsdale.
Um, we got some tablecloths wehad to set.
We went, we went into the classearly while they were at their
music class, because they havelike rotating classes at the
school he goes to, and we set upthat.
We made like treat buckets forall the kids.
We organized some activities.

(01:03):
They uh mummified.
Their teacher wrapped her intoilet paper.
That was one of the activitieswe let the kids do.
They really enjoyed that, andthen, of course, I had planned
everything to take off the day.
It was supposed to go reallywell, and at 6 o'clock in the
morning, as I was about to startgetting ready to take Jonathan
to school and then help my wifeset up the Sammy Guru news site,

(01:26):
the page just went blank.
All the articles are still live, but there's nothing on the
news page.
An issue with our editor theback-end editor we use on
WordPress caused it, so then wehad to go through a huge process
of getting my IT team to get itrestored from backup.
I wasn't in the office so Icouldn't do it.
It took four hours.
I was doing it all from myphone while I was also trying to

(01:48):
plan the party.
So that was very stressful.
It was not supposed to be astressful day.
And then we went to theScottsdale-Stillman Railroad
thing.
They have a hot new train rideover there on Halloween night.
Jonathan likes to go there.
We go there for ChristmasUsually I think Christmas is
their bigger one, but they doHalloween and it's not super
scary.
So it's good for little kidsbecause the train ride is spooky

(02:09):
, but it's not like peoplejumping out with chainsaws or
anything like that, because Idon't think you want to have
that for four-year-olds.
And then they have liketrick-or-treat stations as well,
so the kids can still do that.
He likes the train, so that'swhat we did.
And then Jonathan fell asleepon the way home.
He was so exhausted becausethey had a costume parade in the
morning at the school.
Me and Nicole went to that,where all the kids get to walk

(02:29):
around.
The parents take pictures ofthe whole entire school in their
costumes.
Then we came back for the partyat 1, set all that up.
He got to do stuff at the partyand then we went to the
railroad thing and then, in themiddle of everything, crashing
how was your week, tori?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Honestly I mean outside of the website crashing.
It does sound like you had apretty fun Halloween.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh yeah, it was good, other than that, I mean, I
could have done without that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, yeah, and I mean overall a little bit of a busy
week as homecoming week at myschool.
So tonight I will be achaperoning the homecoming dance
.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
All right, yeah, I did that with Nicole once at
Kellis when she was yeah.
When she was a teacher there.
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's always.
It's always fun to see the kidsin like a different light than
just, like you know, in theclassroom during the day.
So the kids normally clean uppretty well and look pretty
spiffy and nice and so I amexcited to go and chaperone.
Last night we had our footballgame, which was a tough mountain

(03:38):
to beat.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I heard that was a rough game.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was 36-0 before halftime.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Uh-oh, that's the time I usually leave.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, people were leaving.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Time to beat the traffic.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Spirits were low.
It's just one of those.
It's a difference between afootball program and a football
team, and I think we're just nota football program yet, but
we'll get there.
We still have a chance to makeit to the playoffs if we beat
Tolleson.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, oh hey, alabama, we were wrong.
They killed Missouri last week.
Yeah, yeah, they did.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were wrong.
A lot of my friends on Facebooksay they now have restored
faith.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It looks like Kalen Daybor might have heard all the
things about lacking disciplineand he got in there and put on
some Nick Saban impression andgot some discipline, because the
defense looked good.
The offense still had somepenalties, but the defense
looked a lot better During thebye week.
They could clean up the offensetoo.
We have a chance.
We could beat LSU.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think we need to really beat LSU pretty handily
to have any chance of sneakinginto the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh yeah, no for sure.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Like if we beat LSU 34 to nothing, then we'd
probably get into the playoffs.
Yeah, if we win the rest of thegame, but if it's close, I
don't know, because we stilllost to Vanderbilt Although.
Vanderbilt looks better thanpeople thought really isn't as
bad of a team as people mighthave thought they were.
They actually seem to be apretty competitive team.
So anyway, yeah, let's get intothe news.

(05:10):
I guess I'll kick it off with,because I don't really have any
huge hardware news today, so itmight be kind of a short show.
So I'll start off with thisbefore we get into the stuff
we've got on the site.
We were talking about last weekthe Z Fold Special Edition.
Whether or not I have it, Idon't, and unfortunately the
news is not good.

(05:30):
I kind of figured this couldhappen after I heard the z-fold
special edition sold out in like10 seconds in korea.
The retailer that I bought fromtold us that they heard from
samsung this week that the unitsare backed up and samsung has
only released 500 units so farin the whole country seriously
and that they were able tosecure a few of them.
But I guess my order is like thethird in the queue, so my order
may not ship until the thirdweek of November.

(05:52):
So I don't really know what I'mgoing to do.
They will refund me if I want,and I could try to buy from
someone else.
I really am not sure yet.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Because there's only 500 units.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Chances are nobody else from YouTube is going to
have one yet either.
I don't know.
I still really want it.
But the thing is again, I buyit because I could probably make
my money back.
If I can't, then I'm justspending.
I can't just be spending $3,000all the time for nothing.
Just like other people, I haveto be responsible with my money.
If it's a good businessdecision and I could get a lot

(06:29):
of content and I think it hasthe potential to get a lot of
views, we can make the moneyback.
But if the hype's gonna havedied down so it's so late, it's
close to the holidays, I don'tknow.
I'm probably gonna keep it.
I'm probably gonna take a losson it though, due to the delay,
unfortunately, but I'd saythere's a pretty good chance.
I still keep it.
So if you're interested in thez-fold special edition, most
likely we're still going to havecoverage.
It's just going to be late.

(06:50):
I was a little disappointed, butI'm not surprised.
I don't know anyone who'sgotten one yet, and we heard
from their initial reports it'ssold out very fast because it is
limited.
A lot of people are trying tobuy it to reseale in other
markets, like the US, obviously,and then some people say well,
why don't you get the Chineseversion, the W25 with the gold
trim?
That one's also going to beeven harder to get because I

(07:12):
think it's going to be slightlymore limited.
Plus, with that one some of thebands won't work as well
because the South Korean LTEbands and 5G bands they align a
little better with the US thanChina.
So I was hoping to get this one, just because then I can
actually use it somewhat as aphone here and not be completely
, like you know, just apaperweight that I use as a

(07:33):
tablet, a $3,000 mini tablet.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't really want that.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't need that.
I'm going to at least use it asa phone.
It'd be cool to use it as aphone for a little bit, so for a
little bit.
So yeah, we're going to bewaiting on that.
They said it could be sooner.
I'm the next in line as soon asthey secure another unit.
I guess I was the third personto order one from them.
I don't know how I was thirdbecause I emailed them right
away, but I guess maybe someoneelse I mean, I'm not in Korea so

(07:56):
maybe I don't the time zones,you know.
I don't know exactly what timetheir time.
I emailed them, so someonelocally may have pre-reserved
one because they're like a localphone retailer in Korea.
So maybe someone came to theirshop and whatever.
But I guess I guess I'm next inline.
So takes about two days to getit.
International priority shipping, which they do ship it with

(08:16):
FedEx.
So hopefully I will have itsometime in the middle of the
month and we'll have somecoverage.
I know people are lookingforward to that, so I'll have
that coming up.
Uh, speaking of which, I guesswe could segue into this.
Um, you know, keeping them withthat segues just rolling right
along from last week andeveryone was like, yeah, those
are some great segues and I knowyeah, I know they're, they're
fantastic segues.

(08:37):
What can I say?
I'm professional.
Um, the galaxy s25 specialedition is rumored now to be a
slimmer version of the S25 thatcould compete with Apple's
iPhone 17 Air.
So, for those of you guys whodon't know, there's rumors
around the Apple news sphere fora while that Apple could

(09:01):
release a thinner version of theiphone 17 next year.
That's like super slim.
That they would call the iphone17 air because you know, like
with their max, they have themacbook pro and the macbook air,
which is a lot slimmer, doesn'thave as much performance and
all that various stuff, right?
So that's the rumor.
Of course, it also gonna have asmaller battery, most likely,
because that's just physics.

(09:21):
So you can't.
if something is smaller, youcan't fit as big of a battery in
there.
That's just how that works.
There's nothing you can doabout that, and so Samsung is
reportedly considering having aspecial edition of the Galaxy
S25, which could be eithercalled Galaxy S25 SE Special
Edition or Galaxy S25 Slim, sothat they would have a
competitor to go up againstApple's new release.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I like the SE.
It kind of keeps in line withtheir little….

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, because they have the FE already, although,
again, like I said, I don'treally know what FE means
anymore.
Fan edition, they could justcall it the S25 mid-range, but
that makes it look bad, so Iguess that's probably what
they're going to keep with.
If they did this, they'd havefive different models of the S25
.
So they have the S25 base model, s25 Plus, s25 Ultra, s25

(10:11):
Special Edition and S25 FanEdition.
Of course, not all of themwould release at the same time.
The rumor here is that the S25Special Edition would release
sometime in the second quarterof 2025, which is actually
obviously going to be after theregular S25 release, because we
expect that to be in January,which is obviously quarter one.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So would that put us at about like April April.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
May.
Yeah.
So this would actually be a way, I guess too, for Samsung to
keep up the mind share inconsumers' minds, because they
release something in January andthen they usually don't release
a phone until July.
So you want to stay fresh inthe people's minds.
So if you release something inthe middle of those two, well
now you're keeping yourself inpeople's kind of minds.
So that's actually.

(10:54):
I was thinking about thisbecause I wrote this article.
Actually, this story broke likeI don't know it was yesterday
and also we had the issue withthe news page being erased, so
we actually lost some articles.
So Meat was planning to writethis, but he had a draft and it
got erased so I wrote it.
When I was writing this, I wasthinking what if Samsung is
thinking they're going to go andtry to bridge the gap instead

(11:15):
of doing every six months, maybeevery three months?
But the middle releases are notcompletely new.
They're special editions of theactual previous release.
So you have Galaxy S25 inJanuary, then in April or May
you have Galaxy S25 specialedition, then in July or August
you have Z Fold 6, z Flip 6.
And then in October or Novemberyou have Z Fold whatever

(11:38):
special edition, like they didthis year.
So you would have main release,special edition, main release,
special edition and then youkeep yourself fresh in people's
minds throughout the year.
So you'd have main release,special edition, main release,
special edition and then youkeep yourself fresh in people's
minds throughout the year.
And also, if you do it suchthat the special editions are
slimmer versions of the regularphones, you do kind of appeal to
different demographics, becausesome people will still want the

(11:59):
bigger, thicker phone that hasa bigger battery and some people
will want the thinner phonethat has a smaller battery
because they just want a thinnerprofile.
So I do feel like maybe theywon't cannibalize their sales,
uh, by doing this.
But keep in mind, if you reallywant the baddest flagship you
could get like the big boy.
You don't want to buy a slimversion because one battery is
going to be smaller.

(12:19):
Almost for sure thermals willbe compromised because there's
less space.
Yeah, exactly lower performancebecause the thermals it's going
to be smaller.
Almost for sure Thermals willbe compromised because there's
less space.
Yeah, exactly Lower performancebecause the thermals it's going
to get hotter faster becauseyou've got less space in there,
less space to do any kind ofcooling and stuff like that.
So you're not going to get thesame kind of gaming performance
as you would, probably even outof the S25 base model.
We'll have to see, but theseare, like, most likely the

(12:50):
assumptions that you'd have tomake in terms of they're going
to be pros and cons to bothsides.
So you know this doesn't meanif you're planning to buy an s25
certainly if you want an s25ultra don't skip it to buy this
because this will not be better.
You know that's the only thingI don't like about it is like
well, special edition soundslike it could.
To some people that might seembetter than ultra.
Yeah, it's kind of confusingit's like special versus ultra
Like which one is better?
Some people don't know, it'snot clear what the difference is

(13:10):
and of course the ultrabranding is so ingrained already
I don't really know.
They can't change that, so Idon't really know what a good
name for this would be.
What do you think?
What do you think about thisoverall?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well, okay, well, okay, initially, for them to
have this SE model.
Do you think it would be alower price than the base model,
or will it be?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
comparable.
My guess is so.
Here's the thing this rumor,when I wrote it up, this rumor
does not substantiate any of theinformation as to what is going

(13:52):
on with the screen size here,so we don't really know if the
screen size is going to becomparable to the galaxy s25 or
the s25 plus so it could be likethe same size as the plus, the
same size of the base, or itcould be between the two.
So I don't know, obviously, ifit's the same size of the base
or it could be between the two.
So I don't know.
Obviously, if it's the samesize as the plus, it's going to
be more expensive than the basemodel because it's going to be
bigger.
But my guess is, even if it werethe same size as the base model
, which I think it might end upbeing between the two, because

(14:14):
that would also make sense,because then at least you have a
different screen size.
But that also costs more money,because then they have to
manufacture another screen sizeand that costs money to
manufacture another one.
I think it'll be more expensivethan either the base, it might
be comparable to the Plus,that's my guess.
Obviously it can't be the Ultraprice.
But yeah, what do you?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
think you know, because, for like naming, I was
kind of thinking about that too,because we kind of ran into
that in the gaming industry aswell when they started throwing
out the base version, then theythrew out the slim, like you
know, a few years later, I think, to the enthusiasts, you know
they're going to buy, you know,whatever you know, especially if

(14:57):
they're also running, you know,youtube channels and stuff like
that, or they just want to havethe latest and greatest phones,
depending on their lifestyle.
But you know, when I think ofthe average consumer, I think
Samsung would really need tofigure out a nice way to market
this, especially if they dosomething like every three

(15:18):
months.
They're kind of like releasingsomething, you know, just to
kind of help consumers like findtheir niche of like, hey, I
like the Ultra.
I'm really just only going toever buy when there's Ultra, or,
ooh, should I be more leaningtowards the Special Edition
Because it sounds special, right?
You know, I think they wouldneed to be a little bit careful
with how they're kind ofmarketing.

(15:38):
But I know that's probablysomething that they are, you
know, focusing on, because I'mseeing a lot more Samsung
commercials and stuff.
So I wonder if that's likeanother component of them trying
to work on their branding andmarketing and getting their
names out there, but I thinkthey do this to make sure that
they are appealing to as manyconsumers as they can and

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getting the type of devices thatconsumers will probably want,
especially the average consumer.
I think they'll need toprobably work on marketing and
really highlighting the featuresso that they know what they're
signing up for, because, like Isaid before, these phones are
expensive.
They're like an investment, sosomeone's probably going to be

(16:21):
keeping these phones for atleast three or so years.
So I don't know what are yourthoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think personally that a couple of names were
floated for this device.
One outlet said S25 Slim andthen someone said S25 Special
Edition.
I think S25 Slim would be abetter name because it makes it
obvious.
It makes it obvious what thedifference is between that and
the other devices.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You're making it slimmer.
The special kind of makes itseem like, oh, what's better
about the special than the Ultrathat I just bought?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
That way people don't think that they're getting
something better than the Ultrawith the Slim, because if you
hear Slim versus Ultra,obviously the Ultra sounds
better than the.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Slim.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Slim, you think, oh well, it's thinner but it might
not have the same performance,which is going to be true.
However, they've already set aprecedent now with the Fold
Special Edition.
So if they call that the Slimand they call the Fold one the
Special Edition, now you havelike a disjoint.
This is the hard thing aboutmarketing.
Marketing is very difficult.
As I'm working on our new casebrand that we're going to be

(17:26):
launching, I've learned there'sa lot of decisions that go into
how you market and name yourproducts and the consistency
across that Turns out.
I always thought people gettingmarketing degrees they're like
oh, that's easy.
Well, maybe getting the degreeis easy, but the actual job of
doing it is not that easy.
So I was wrong about the actualdiscipline.
The degree itself is quite easyto get, but when you actually
go out there and put this intopractice and have to do the job,

(17:48):
that's not as easy, I thinkthat's probably true of a lot of
business communications typedegrees where it's like, yeah,
it's pretty easy to get thedegree, you don't need to study
as much as you were getting aphysics or math or computer
science degree.
But when you actually go out andget the job in order to be at
the top of your profession as amarketer or as anyone in those
business, you obviously have tolearn how to apply those things

(18:10):
and it can be very difficult.
There's a lot of trial anderror, so it should be fair.
I'm just being fair to thosedisciplines because I used to
say, oh well, anybody could geta marketing degree.
And while that may be true, notanybody can actually go out and
do the job.
The true Not anybody canactually go out and do the job.
The job is actually fairlydifficult to do.
Okay, so another S-25 thing.
This is a smaller one, but theS25 was officially named by

(18:35):
Samsung in their earnings callalong with the Galaxy S25 XR
headset.
So we knew that they wereplanning to do this, but Samsung
hasn't officially commented onthis, and so they said that the
Galaxy S25 series would be theirnext launch device and they
expect a boost to their earningsfrom this.
Expect a boost to theirearnings from this.

(18:56):
And then they also said intheir earnings that they said,
with the Galaxy Ring launchedthis year, the company plans to
contribute to the expansion ofSamsung's health ecosystem and
enhance the connectivityexperience between its products,
including our upcoming XRdevice.
So this is their first timecommenting on two things.
One, the official name of theGalaxy S25, which that's a snore
fest.
We have to write this becauseall the other it gets clicks.

(19:19):
I don't know why Every yearlike everyone writes this.
They always comment on it prettymuch around this time when they
do their earnings call for theend of the year.
Everyone knows it's going to bethe Galaxy S25.
If it was called like theGalaxy, thanos, alpha, omega,
supreme which is what.
Flossy Carter calls the Ultraversion.
If they called it that, if thatwas the official name, like
that would be news, like waitthey're going to get rid of the

(19:41):
S 25 name.
They're going to call it theThanos, alpha, mega, supreme.
That would be something worthwriting.
But I mean is everyone knowsthe S 25.
It's just now.
Samsung has officially calledit that.
So now we can officially sayS25, which is kind of good,
because now I can put that backon our mystery box pages and
Samsung's PR people hopefullywon't be angry at us.
So now they've actually said itin their marketing call.

(20:03):
So we know the next name.
The more interesting thing isthey finally commented this is
the first time we know aboutthis.
They commented on the existenceof their XR headset, which
we've talked about a few timeshere on the show.
We still don't know what kindof format it will be.
It will be a strap-on headset,it will be glasses, what's it
going to be?
But they do say that it'scoming and it does say upcoming.
It doesn't say when.

(20:23):
They just said you know, theGalaxy Ring was a success, which
I love, the Galaxy Ring.
Honestly, I still wear mine.
Some tech devices I get, youknow, because I get so many as a
YouTuber and people send mestuff.
Sometimes I try to use them fora little bit, like a week or
two, and they go back tocollecting dust and I pull them
out when I need to make anothervideo with that product.
I can't use all the stuff I had.

(20:44):
Sometimes I give them away,whatever, but I've worn the ring
every day and I actually kindof took the place of my wedding
band.
Nicole Doesn't Mind, so thering is a great product.
So this is the first time theycommented on the XR device it
doesn't say when, though it doesseem like they also have some
interest in perhaps loweringprices across some of their

(21:04):
devices.
It says that they're interestedin considering ways to lower
the entry barriers so thatcustomers can actually
experience foldable products.
So this is interesting, becausewe had heard before they were
not going to make a lower costfoldable, and now they're saying
maybe they will.
I don't know.
What do you think about thesethree things?
So first, well, these twothings the galaxy S 25 naming.
That's stupid.

(21:25):
We already know that that's justwhat actually is probably going
to get the most clicks becauseit has the word S 25 in the
title, but the XR headset.
I would kind of prefer if it'sthe glasses, cause I've seen
some XR glasses that look prettycool, Like the meta glasses.
I think those don't look toobad.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, no, especially if you know I think we were
talking about one time on thepodcast uh, like being at like a
coffee shop.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I'm not wearing a headset to Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, and if it's something along the
lines of that, I can see thatbeing like a better trend, like
for people to be using it, youknow, uh, outside of their homes
.
But again, um, this could besomething that maybe
revolutionizes and push, uh, youknow, that experience out
because, like you know, rightnow, like with just other vr

(22:12):
headsets, like I don't reallysee very many people using them
or buying them or rushing to thestores to get them, and so I am
more interested to see, like,what features and you know, now
that we have AI coming moreabout, now maybe they can use
some of the Samsung AI to reallymarket it in a different way to

(22:32):
get the consumers to want topurchase it.
But, you know, I think we justmaybe have to wait and see what
Samsung has in store, you know,especially if they're already
considering the ring to be a,you know, very good product that
they've just recently released.
I'm hoping that they have thesame success with this as well.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, I mean I hope they do.
Also, in terms of the ring, Iwon't go off on a tangent on
this.
I'll talk more about the XRthing because of what we're
doing, but I hope with the ringtoo.
I'm really excited for it.
I hope next year they make someimprovements to the gestures.
This could be a great productthat more people would buy.
I think maybe if they increasethe number of features.
Right now it's kind of limitedbecause it really is basically
for the health.
Yeah, and it's Mostly if youjust don't want to wear a

(23:14):
smartwatch all the time but youstill want to track all the
smartwatch stuff, Because Iswitch between my regular watch
and my smartwatch a lot, but Idon't like the fact that when I
take my smartwatch off I don'twant to get my tracking, so now
I don't have that problem.
So if you're someone like me whodoesn't necessarily want a
smartwatch all the time, but youdo want your health tracking
all the time, well, the ring isthere and is less obtrusive and
will do that stuff.

(23:34):
In terms of the XR, one thing Iwas thinking about that when I
wrote I didn't write this onewhen I read this article that
Samit wrote, and that is thatthis is one instance where and I
know some people are going tosay, well, Samsung did it first
because they had the Galaxy GearVR headset like 10 years ago,
but that wasn't really an XRheadset in the sense of today's
XR headset, that one I told youabout before I won previous

(23:56):
episode you put your phone inthe headset and it was basically
, like you could see your phone.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
That's not really what these are I mean not 10
years ago.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
So Samsung did it, but they didn't really do this.
This is one instance whereSamsung made the right choice
and I think as a consciouschoice, they waited for Apple to
release the Vision Pro and geta gauge on how that did, I think
, with the pricing.
I think this is one time whereSamsung is usually the first one
to release everything.
They don't ever lag behindApple.
But I think they were unsurebecause obviously they could

(24:24):
have pushed something outSamsung.
Obviously they can pushsomething out faster than Apple.
They've done it for years everynew product category.
This time they were like wedon't know where to price this.
We're not really in this market.
Let's see how other competitorsperform.
So they saw.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Facebook.
I like that idea.
Yeah, they saw.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Facebook do the meta quest A couple generations of
that.
They saw the Vision Pro andthey kind of now have an idea of
where to price it, becauseobviously, as we said, for all
intents and purposes you can saywhatever you want.
If you're an Apple fanboy, theVision Pro was a failure.
I don't care what you say.
The Vision Pro is a failure At$3,500,.
All the people I know whobought one, they basically tell

(25:01):
me they've either sold it or itsits inside their dresser drawer
Like if they're a.
YouTuber.
It sits in their product closet, just like I was saying, my
product closet of stuff I don'tuse.
They have a $3,500 Vision Prothat they don't really use
because it's easier to use youriPadad or your macbook if you're
an apple user than to strap ona headset yeah and the macbook
is better for productivity justbecause of the keyboard and how

(25:22):
the inputs work.
So they don't put it on to dovideo editing if they're a
youtuber, because that's harderthan using your macbook pro.
So now I think samsung knowslike we can't offer a two
thousand dollar xr headsetthat's not going to sell the
facebook.
It's not going to sell the.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Facebook.
The market is just not thereyet.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, by all intents and purposes, the MetaQuest is
very successful.
So Samsung is probably eyeingthat and they're like, oh, $500
around that.
It's a sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
We could sell a ton of these around $500.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh yeah, I think if for that, yeah, because it can
have so many nice integrationswith your Galaxy devices.
If you've got a Galaxy book,you've got a Galaxy phone,
galaxy tab, you're going to beable to get notifications.
You'll be able to docross-device messaging.
When you have your headset on,you'll be able to get your phone
notifications and stuff likethat They'll be able to sync
that up.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think the key is do you mean to sell it as an
accessory and not so much asanother?
Yeah, not as a primary device.
Yeah, as a primary device.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I do think that was Apple's problems with the Vision
Pro.
That's great insight.
They were like, yeah, thiscould just one day it's going to
replace everything you have.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Most people were like no not right now, Maybe one day
.
But don't sell it like that.
In the beginning I think thatwas Apple's problem too.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
They're like we've introduced so many revolutionary
product categories.
And they have to be fair.
You've got to give Apple theirprops because, no matter what
you say, if the iPhone launchhadn't happened in 2007, if
Steve Jobs didn't do that, therewould likely not be an Android
and Samsung to the degree weknow it now.
They would still exist ascompanies.
But smartphones themselves werevery much spurred into the

(26:52):
limelight by the first iPhoneand of course, android then kind
of came along and did a bunchof stuff too, but a lot of the
things that they did wererevolutionary.
I'm not going to say anythingcrappy about Apple in that sense
.
It's just, unfortunately, afterSteve Jobs left they kind of
went to like let's just rest onour laurels and do the minimum
amount change the phone colorand keep it moving.

(27:14):
I had an iPhone up to the four,but then around the time that
steve jobs stopped being activeas like the main, you know
person behind the scenes atapple and the transition to tim
cook.
It was a lot of like let's tryto eke out as much money as we
can from people and, uh, youknow, change some colors,
whatever and that's also why I'mfrustrated with tm row because
he's doing the same thing atsamsung and does it make money?
does it make money for thecompany?

(27:35):
Sure, but I also think you canmake money by doing a little bit
more in terms of pushing theenvelope, which Samsung is
trying to do now, like we sawwith the Z Folded Special
Edition commercial.
They are pushing the envelopeunder the door and they're
trying to say that they aregoing to go back to doing that.
So we hope that they do.
But I'm excited to test theGalaxy XR headset if it's around
$500.
Yeah and I.
It's around 500 bucks.

(27:55):
Yeah, and I feel like it'll beinteresting to our audience,
because if it was three thousanddollars, I'd probably review it
, but I would feel like Iwouldn't be really doing much of
a service because no one wouldbe interested in it.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's like yeah, because nobody else would
probably.
That's why I didn't even buy avision pro.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I mean, I have a macbook pro.
That's my main video editingmachine that I use for my my
work.
But I didn't buy the vision probecause it's like man man
$3,500, I probably will neveruse it.
It doesn't really seem like thetool I need for my particular
use case for work.
But I'm excited about the XRheadset and I'm not excited that
the phone is called the GalaxyS25, because everybody knew that

(28:28):
already.
But hey, that's what you've gotto put in the article to get
the clicks.
I guess, we now know theofficial name is the Galaxy S25.
Everybody knew that when theGalaxy S24 came out, so I don't
know why anyone thought theywould change it.
Now, what we don't know, thebetter question actually, is
what happens when we get to theS29?

(28:52):
Are they going to go S30 orwill they go up like some other
crazy amount of numbers?
Because, keep in mind, you knowthey went from S10 to S20.
There was no S11.
So are they going to skip someother crazy amount of numbers?
I mean, that'll be the realarticle.
So in like six years, that'sthe one that you should be
clicking on, because, we don'tknow, maybe there'll be the
Galaxy S50 after that.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, I don't know why we're skipping so many
numbers or whatever.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Anyway, that's most of what we had in terms of
hardware leaks.
It's basically the S25information in terms of the
special edition and then the XRheadset information coming out.
In the second half of the showwe're going to talk about One UI
7.0, because One UI 7.0 has gota lot of leaks, so it's mostly
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(30:47):
had about Galaxy hardware newsand this is kind of a crazy
rumor that we covered on SammyGuru this week.
There's a rumor going aroundthat samsung may consider
removing the galaxy brandingentirely from their flagships.
So like the s line and like thefoldables, like the z fold, z
flip line, and only like budgetand mid-range phones would be

(31:08):
galaxies.
So like you would have, likeyour galaxy a55, sure, but you
wouldn't have a Galaxy S25 Ultra, you would have the Samsung S25
Ultra.
This is not uncommon in otherproduct lines, like with cars,
toyota a lot of people know theyown Lexus and so Lexus is a
completely different name thanToyota.

(31:28):
But really, if you knowanything about cars, if you're a
car guy, I mean I don't claimto be like the number one car
guy, but I know a decent amount.
I like cars the Toyota Camryand the base Lexus.
You know sedan, I forgot thename of it.
Those two are basically builton the same chassis, and so
chassis.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
They're both in the same chassis.
Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
They're built on the same chassis, so they're
basically the same car from alot of perspectives.
This is also true of Audi.
I'm an Audi fan.
That's lot of perspectives.
This is also true of audi.
I'm an audi fan.
That's what I have.
If I have an sq8, the audi rsq8, which is the top performance
level of the audi suv, I don'thave an rsq8, just an sq8, which
is still a nice one, but theit's built on the same chassis

(32:10):
as the lamborghini, uh, urus,and which is the fastest suv in
the world.
Um, and so they have.
They basically are very similarcars from a lot of perspectives
.
Just a lot of the performanceon the inside is souped up, and
so this would kind of be theidea, right?
Samsung wants to differentiatetheir premium products by
removing any sub-branding, soit's just Samsung blank.
And then Galaxy would be likeyou know, you're getting a lower

(32:31):
tier device of some sort.
I don't know how I feel aboutthis, though.
I feel like Galaxy's got a lotof brand value now.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
And plus this would create a host of problems.
I don't know how I feel aboutthis rumor, because you've got
Galaxy AI, you've got Galaxy alot of things.
I just don't know.
There's actually a rumor.
We're going to talk about OneUI 7 in just a second.
They're rumored to change thename of AR Emoji to Galaxy
Avatar, so you're still going tohave all these software things
that are called Galaxy blankGalaxy Store.

(33:01):
Well, actually they did removeGalaxy from the Galaxy Store.
It just says Store now, but alot of these brands, sub-brands
on the software on the One UIside are Galaxy.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
What do you think, tori, about this idea?
Yeah, no, I'm in the samebucket as you in terms of, of,
like, when I hear the wordgalaxy, I hear premium, you know
, uh, just I think, like from myovertime, because, like, when I
first started to get intosamsung phones, like, uh,
everyone was talking aboutgalaxy and I was like, oh, like,
you know, that just sounds likebetter, you know, and so, like

(33:34):
I feel like they were to dropthe galaxy one.
It would create like a lot ofconfusion, um, but you know, I'm
I'm more in favor, at least as,like, uh, the average consumer,
as in, maybe like the lowertier, just be samsung, whatever,
but have that galaxy stay withthe.
I would like that too.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Actually, I would prefer that.
It would be interestingactually to see now what they do
for the S25 event, becauseusually their events are called
Galaxy Unpacked.
The last one, I think theycalled it Samsung Unpacked it
was.
So are they trying to push itaway from the Galaxy for the
premium devices?
So are they going to call theS25 event Samsung Unpacked or
Galaxy Unpacked?
We have to watch that.
That's a subtle little thingthat we should keep.

(34:15):
I might write an editorial onthat when it comes time for the
event announcement, when we getthem and we will get one because
we actually are on the list now.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it.
When I get my media invite tothat, I'm like, oh my gosh, I
finally did it.
I feel like I made it.
Say, mama, I made it All right.
Anyway, oneui7, there's a wholebunch of crazy OneUI7 stuff.
That's going to probably bemost of what we talk about here.

(34:36):
The rest of the show, so lotsof stuff.
One OneUI7 internal build isnow basically to beta stage,
which means it's stable enoughfor beta.
That has happened BecauseOctober 31st was the deadline.
They now have one.
The next thing.
I'm just going to run down someof the things we know and then
we can talk about them.
The next thing is Ice Universe,and a couple of other leakers

(35:00):
have said that we're going toget the beta by the end of
November, most likely aroundNovember 15th through the 21st.
Interestingly, sdc Korea theSamsung Developer Conference
Korean version, like the one Iwent to in San Jose, but they
hold it in their home country.
That's November 21st.
We talked about that a littlebit last week, so that could be

(35:20):
a possible date.
I would say, based on myexperience covering Samsung all
these years, the most likelydates for the beta to launch are
either the 15th, which is twoweeks from yesterday, that's a
Friday or the 21st.
If they don't launch on the15th, I think they'll wait until
SDC Korea, that's on Thursday.
I'm going to put my money onSDC Korea being the day, because

(35:41):
they already said they're goingto live stream the event and
this week we saw Androidheadlines got their hands on
some exclusives.
I've got to talk to how arethey getting some exclusives?
We've got to start getting someexclusives.
If people have exclusives, man,email me, jeff at sammygrucom.
I'm willing to pay you somemoney, man.
Come on, they can't be payingthat much.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
We got resources.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Just email me.
They posted a video that lookslike an official promo video
showing like the animations, newicons, everything we've seen
Like there wasn't a whole lot ofsuper new stuff, yeah, but it
looks like it's from a keynoteand so obviously Samsung usually
does a keynote introducing thenews.
Since they didn't do it here atSDC, they might do it in Korea.
Now I'm not flying to Korea togo to the Korean version of SDC.

(36:20):
It's just a little too far.
I mean I would love to go, butI mean just to.
I mean I can obviously downloadthe beta here and I can watch
the live stream event.
I already went, you know, insan jose, but I think that's

(36:42):
probably the most likely datebecause we saw that promo uh
image leak.
Um, the other thing is the betaforums are now open, which means
if you go to the samsungcommunity forums, they have now
opened a forum that says betatesting s24, s24 plus s24 ultra
and for the s23 Plus S23 Ultra,because those would be the first
two phones to get the beta.
They always do that.
Usually about two weeks to amonth before they open the beta
testing, they open the officialforums.
That's where people can givefeedback on any bugs and stuff

(37:05):
like that help improve.
That's the whole point of betatesting is to give them feedback
on what's wrong with it so theycan fix it.
And Samsung fans definitely do.
They love with it, so they canfix it.
Uh, and samsung fans definitelydo.
They love to complain, so theforums get filled up very fast
with people complaining.
Um, then also last night, chunbai, who's another samsung
leaker.
We've covered before on x.
He now talked about three othernew features he's discovered.

(37:26):
He has the beta running on aphone.
He obviously has a build fromsomeone inside samsung.
We don't know exactly how hegets it, but but he has.
Obviously he's been running it.
One the new live activitiesfeature.
We talked about how Apple hasthe live activities on the
dynamic Island.
Samsung's going to have thelittle pop-ups.
They're going to live on thelock screen, at the very bottom
of the lock screen, and the nameof it is going to be called now

(37:49):
bar.
I don't like.
What do you think of that name?
I don't like, what do you thinkof that name?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I don't like that name.
I don't.
I feel like they could havecame up with something a little
bit more catchier or simpler.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, yeah I feel like someone was like quick, we
need a name for this like whatshould we do it like?
There's a bar there right nowand someone's like oh, that's it
now bar, now bar.
Yeah, there's a bar there nowwe call it bar now and someone's
like no now, bar Now Bar.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And I'm like, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's what you call marketing Innovation, right
there.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Using those degrees.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Now, that's the easy version of marketing right there
, but it's not very good though.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I don't like the name , but I get it because it's
right there it's the bar.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
It's there now on your lock screen.
So you want the information.
Here it is.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's now and it's in a bar, maybe like QuickBar or
something.
Quickbar would be a good name.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I like QuickBar actually.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah.
I would even call it LockBarbefore I would call it NowBar,
because it lives on the lockscreen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
There are a lot of better names.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
This to be something like quick and catchy, yeah,
like yeah but chun bai didmention that this is the current
internal name, so it's possible.
Before they unveil the betalater this month they might be
like, wow, that really sucks.
Maybe they'll listen to thispodcast.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The sammy guru said this sucks we should change it.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You should change it.
It's not very good, but I meanthey have some other names that
I'm not a huge fan of too.
Within good luck it actuallysounds more like a name for a
feature they would put in goodluck versus the actual stock one
ui.
Like if this was in good luck noone would care, because not as
many people see it yeah if I sawlike now bar is a new module in
good luck, I'd be like, oh,that makes sense, but putting it
in the stock one ui it doesn'tsound very good.

(39:26):
Usually they think about it alittle more with the stock one
ui kind of features, but anywayit very useful.
I actually like theirimplementation better than
Apple's.
You also have a persistentnotification area where it shows
your live notifications so youcan run like a timer, like a
voice recorder calls, whateverthey can go in the live
notifications, as you're kind ofyou know, working on things

(39:47):
like that and it seems like itcould be good.
But of course, the make or breakI wrote this up, the article
last night when he publishedthis leak over on x and the
maker break for me is that theygot to have third-party apps
integrated, like in the videothey show, like their own apps,
like phone voice recorder andclock timer.
Those are all samsung apps.
Of course they're going to work, yeah, but what about you know,

(40:09):
like other apps that I want tohave live activities for, like
what about door dash?
yeah, am I going to be able toget you to the.
What about DoorDash?
Yeah, am I going to be able toget the status of my DoorDash
order down there?
Am I going to be able to getlike timers and things for other
video apps like Netflix?
Am I going to be able?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
to get things that I might want down there.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I don't know.
That's where Apple sometimeskills Android because they work
so closely with third-partydevelopers, because they own the
software and the hardwarebefore launch.
They don't just throw it outthere and they're like oh well,
this new feature only supportsApple-made first-party apps like
phone and clock.
They're like no, this supportseverything Twitter, facebook.
It's going to support all thebig third-party apps, so Samsung

(40:45):
really should make sure that itdoes support some of those like
sports scores for instance,like with Google Now, like Penn
sports scores.
Those should be able to bepenned to the lock screen now
using the Now bar.
And those should be able to.
You can swipe between them too,which is very convenient, but
it's going to come down to howmany third-party apps, because
if I can only use like the stockSamsung apps, well, the appeal
is very limited.
But if there's a lot of otherlive activities that I can use

(41:08):
with Now, bar that exists forthird-party apps, then I
definitely will want to use it.
It'll become a fixture on mylock screen.
The other big feature, whichthey borrowed from Apple and iOS
18.1 Apple Intelligence, isnotification summaries on the
lock screen.
Galaxy AI will now summarizeall of your notifications from a
particular app and bundle itinto one message.

(41:30):
If you want.
I've been using this on theiPhone.
I will tell you it is very hitor miss.
In fact, I'll tell you guys astory in just a second.
That's funny about AppleIntelligence.
I wanted to share it and Ididn't know if I'd really have a
chance to make a video, becauseI wasn't going to make a video
specifically for that.
That's what the podcast is goodfor.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Here's your exclusive .
Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
But basically, if you have a bunch of messages, like
a conversation, let's say, withyour girlfriend, or I'm talking
to my wife, and you got like 10messages from her while you were
away, I mean my wife usuallydoesn't do that, but sometimes
people will keep writingmessages while you're away.
I mean, I don't mind if she does, she's my wife, but it'll
summarize them so like if she'slike go to the store and get

(42:10):
some milk and then she's likeget some eggs and oh yeah, I
forgot, also get some baby wipes, then it will summarize that in
one bundled message and sayneeds milk, eggs, baby wipes,
and then that'll be it.
So you don't have to lookthrough all the messages.
You don't have to click intothe app either to see all the
messages, because they're allthreaded and they're all in one
message there.
The problem is with Appleintelligence at least hopefully

(42:33):
Samsung improves this.
For some messages the AI messesup the context terribly.
In my own case, on Halloween,you know we were away because we
were at the rail yard inScottsdale.
We weren't home.
My mother-in-law had some candy.
She was handing out some candy.
She put it on the front portionof the bucket and was like take
one, in case she wasn't outthere, cause she was also trying

(42:55):
to help Nicole do a few otherthings around the house.
And the Apple intelligence a AIsummaries on my iPhone.
While I was at the rail yard Igot a notification that said the
there are many people at yourdoor, the police are there.
And I was like what?
And I checked my nest doorbell,and it was because some kid had

(43:16):
dressed up like a policeofficer, and so they thought the
trick-or-treaters were thepolice and I was like why are
there a bunch of people in thepolice at my door?
and it's because there's a bunchof trick-or-treaters and one of
them had on a police outfit.
So the ai thought the policewere at my door and I was like
whoa.
I was like I need to check mydoorbell camera.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Why are the police at my house?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
And so yeah, so I can mess it up.
Then I saw another person whowas talking in conversation with
her mom and her mom was tellingher this was on X that she had
gone hiking and she said thathike was crazy.
It was so tough I almost killedmyself hiking, or that hike
almost killed me.
She said that hike almostkilled me.
It was a rough one, and so shehad posted a couple of the

(43:57):
threads and the girl came backto her phone and apple
intelligence had summarized italmost committed suicide but
recovered and hiked palm canyonso you know there's some
problems.
You know you don't really wantto get those kind of summaries
because, like, oh no, there's alot of people plus the police at
your door and then like yourmother committed suicide.

(44:18):
Those are not exactly thesummaries.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, and then hiked she committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
But she recovered and then hiked palm canyon.
That's not exactly no, theuseful ai features that you want
.
So hopefully samsung does abetter job with this.
I kind of figured this wascoming in one ui7 at some point
or 7.1, because apple did it andit is a useful feature.
Um, sometimes it's useful.
If I have a long thread of likeslack notifications for work,
it'll say, like you know, samitsaid this, this, this, and it's

(44:44):
all in one line.
I can take action and I don'thave to read the whole thread.
But obviously there's someproblems, as you can see so
we'll see, what do you think?
Does it sound like a usefulfeature?
I mean, aside from the obviousflaws there.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, I mean honestly , overall it does, because, like
, we're such a on-the-go type ofsociety now, and like because
we're also so busy, like, andpeople do send multiple messages
, this would be quite useful andI do think people will
gravitate towards it.
But obviously, you know, justlike with anything, it takes

(45:19):
time to get better.
Yeah, those would be a littlescary.
I don't know about thoseparticular summaries.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
But Samsung has more experience in AI than Apple.
Apple is pretty new.
They actually said internallyif anyone saw Apple actually
admitted in their own earnings,call.
They think they're two to threeyears behind other companies in
AI, which Apple never admitsthey're behind.
But they did, they thinkthey're behind in AI, so perhaps
Samsung's Galaxy Eye featurefor the AI.

(45:43):
It's going to be called AI.
Notifications is what Chun-Bisaid would be nice.
I actually think they shouldhave named it Notifications
Assist, because we have NodeAssist and Call Assist and all
those other ones.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't know why they call it AI notifications it
should be called notificationassist.
Maybe it'll change it.
I think it's that push.
I want to call it the war fordominance of AI.
You know, literally everythingis AI, so I feel like they have
to.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Everyone needs to be the best.
Yes, ai.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
They have to have that in the naming.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I think, so.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
But hey, if TMRO is listening to this podcast, we've
got all kinds of great ideas.
They're free.
We really do, as long as youguys, you know someone, send
this to TMRO.
We've got great ideas here.
So we'll forward that over tohim and make sure he gives it a
listen while he's polishing upOne UI 7 for the beta phase.
But the last feature that ChunBai revealed is that One UI 7.0

(46:31):
has an option now in thedeveloper options not in the
main settings to completely turnoff thermal throttling entirely
.
Thermal throttling means whenyour phone gets hot it throttles
down the CPU clock speed so itdoesn't get even hotter or so
that it cools, because phonesdon't have a lot of active
cooling.
If you have a big gaming PC athome, you have some kind of

(46:52):
active cooling inside the case.
But because your phone is sosmall, right, like, if you have
a big gaming PC at home, youhave some kind of active cooling
inside the case, yeah.
But because your phone is sosmall, right, like, use vapor
chambers, these vapor chambers,things like that in phones, but
you don't have like really crazyactive cooling like you do on a
big PC tower.
So if your phone gets reallyhot, it can either get hotter or
you could throttle down the CPU, which gives you less
performance.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
So if you're gaming.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's unfortunate for gamers If you have thermal
issues if they, if it gets toohot, because then your
performance will be downgraded,because it obviously slows down
your performance.
Yeah, so this is somethinggamers have wanted for a while,
but a little depending on howgood.
We don't know the Snapdragon.
There were some rumors.
The Snapdragon, uh good.
We don't know the snapdragonthere were some rumors.

(47:35):
The snapdragon uh eight elitehad some thermal issues itself.
So if that's true I hope that'snot true, some people said no,
but if that were true, that'd bebad, because then you might end
up burning your hand if youturn off thermal throttling.
But I hope you have a case onit.
Um, and also it makes meworried because you remember the
note 7 debacle with thingsblowing up.
You know you don't want thingsgetting too hot.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
No, spicy, too spicy yeah, yeah, yeah, and I was just
reading, uh the other day.
It was like some uh, I forgotwhat her actual thing was, uh,
but or her actual title for thiscompany, but like they work on,
um, like just keeping parentsand stuff uh informed, and
they're like hey, like you know,make sure like your kids aren't
falling asleep with their cellphones and stuff, you know like

(48:15):
on the bed, oh yeah yeah, yeah,yeah you got to be careful with
that, so this could beinteresting.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I think gamers will appreciate it.
Obviously, regular users arenever going to find this oh yeah
, Because you've got to go inand tap on the build number a
bunch of times to enabledeveloper options.
Yeah, no, I turn it on.
It's not like you're turningthis on by accident.
That's why it's in thedeveloper options.
But if you want this as a gamerand you know the risks,
obviously hopefully you're usinga case that's got some decent

(48:43):
insulation so you don't burnyour hand and you need it for
gaming performance.
If you do it in short gamingsessions, probably not a big
deal.
But we'll have to see how thethermals are.
On the Snapdragon 8 Elite, I amgoing to import a phone.
I think probably Xiaomi orsomeone's going to have the very
first phone with a Snapdragon 8Elite.
I'm going to import one ofthose just so I can kind of see
the performance of the processorand kind of report on that a

(49:03):
little bit.
Of course, we never know untilwe see Samsung's version,
because they could get a specialversion.
There could be a Snapdragon 8Elite for galaxy exclusive,
because sometimes qualcomm willmake a specific processor with
samsung that's tuned forspecific things they want in one
ui that's how much pool samsunghas.
They can get a custom versionof the top chip.
So we'll see what what ends uphappening there.

(49:26):
But if you're waiting on thebeta most likely beta happening
15th or the 21st that's gonna bewhere I peg it.
Ice universe said we have towait at least half a month, but
he said it would be by the endof November.
You can take that to the bankbecause he never is really wrong
too much, but I'm guessing halfa month means 15th or 21st.
If I had to put my money, if Iwas betting in Vegas, if I was
setting the line on this, I'mgoing to say it's about if I was

(49:50):
making the odds in likeDraftKings.
I'm going to say it's about 2-1on the 15th, 2-1.
So if you bet 50, you're goingto get your bet back plus twice
that bet.
Right there You're going to getit.
And then I'm going to say the21st is almost even money, Maybe

(50:15):
just like I don't know, maybelike plus don't know it's it's
pretty close to even money.
I'm gonna say the 21st isprobably the best bet that's.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That's what I would.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's what I would say if I were betting and those
were the options I'd put mymoney on, even if it were just,
even if it were just, you know Iget my money plus, you know, a
little back I would still bet onthe 21st over the 15th, because
the 15th is a friday.
I don't know when they'vereleased a beta on the Friday in
the past.
I don't remember that happening.
I'd have to look back at thebeta releases, but I don't
remember.
It's usually on a weekday inthe middle, like Monday through

(50:42):
Thursday, and SDC is on aThursday.
So that would be where I'dprobably put my money.
Okay, so that's pretty muchwhat I had to say about One UI 7
.
It's going to be massive.
When it does launch.
We're going to have tons ofstuff on it, on the site and
stuff.
So make sure you bookmark thewebsite, make sure you check out
the Galaxy S25 articleseverything you need to know,

(51:02):
because that's being updated bySubmit every single week now as
Galaxy S25 gets closer.
Very exciting there.
Mystery boxes, of course.
Sign up for that.
We got over 5,000 people signedup for S25 boxes this year.
It's going to be massive.
It's going to be our biggest.
That's actually we got allthese boxes in here.
These are shipping boxes.

(51:22):
Products are already coming infor S25, because I know it's
going to be so huge.
We need to start packing thismonth for S25 or we won't get
done.
So if you want free accessoriesfor your S25 devices, go sign
up.
That's in the show notes too.
But one big question today thatI got it's a couple part
question.
I think it was Larry on X whoasked this in the thread that I

(51:44):
asked for questions yesterdayand that is that Samsung.
You know they release phonesevery year for the flagships and
we had said previously thatthree years is kind of a sweet
spot, which is what Tori isgoing to upgrade is S22 Ultra to
S25 Ultra.
And Larry asked what do youthink the pros and cons will be
of upgrading the S25 Ultra orkeeping my S24 Ultra?

(52:04):
And also, what do you thinkthat you gain or lose by doing
either a one, two or three orlonger upgrade cycle?
So comment on what you gain orlose each year.
So first of all, the first partof that question.
If you upgrade every year,obviously the only thing you
lose is the implied value ofyour money, because really the
upgrades year over year are notusually worth it.

(52:24):
I mean, I'm just saying on theaverage.
I'll talk about this yearspecifically in a second, but on
the average there's no reasonto upgrade year over year.
That's just point blank.
If you have an S24 Ultra, do youneed an S25 Ultra?
No, it's still going to getsecurity updates for another six
years.
It's still going to getplatform and feature updates for
another at least three or fouryears.
It's going to be set.

(52:47):
It's still a very powerfulprocessor inside.
It still probably has lots ofstorage.
Obviously, that's a personalthing.
If you just bought a phone thathas too little storage for you
and you end up you know you needa lot of storage cause you
store a lot of movies, pictures,whatever, then that could be a
reason to upgrade and thenobviously I would just get the
newer model cause yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I mean, that could be a reason.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Like, if you have gig S24 Ultra and you're like, oh
man, I'm at 240 gigs, I'm usinga lot of movies and I have a lot
of photos, I store stuffbecause I travel a lot, then I
want a 512 or one terabyte.
Well then, yeah, buy an S25Ultra, they'll give you a
trade-in, it's not a big deal.
But otherwise, I mean, there'sreally no reason to upgrade year
over year For two years, whichI don't think is a bad one.

(53:29):
I said three years is the sweetspot for most people.
Two years would be like if youare kind of into phones and you
do game with your phone a lotand you do a lot of multitasking
, two years is probably thesweet spot because two years is
probably where you see like adecent performance jump.
Like if you upgrade every twoyears, you're getting two years
newer processor and even on anaverage year that's like a 30 to

(53:52):
40% performance boost.
So if you play games and ofcourse as game developers make
new games, they're taking intoaccount which processors are
available, so they ramp up theirgraphics proportional to how
good the processors are.
So if you have two years ago'sprocessor, the games two years
from then will obviously not bekeeping up as well.
So if you're a gamer or if youdo tons of multitasking, two

(54:18):
years is probably the sweet spot.
You're still not losingsecurity updates.
You're still not losingplatform and feature updates, so
you're still getting all thesoftware stuff from Samsung and
your phone's still perfectlysecure.
And if you're just a light user, no problem.
So three years is kind of wherethings get to, where the most
average consumers probably wantto upgrade for a few reasons.
One, your battery is probablydegraded a decent amount, and
that's probably the biggestreasons a lot of people do.
After three years your batteryis probably to around 75 to 80

(54:40):
percent of its original lifecell wise.
So you're probably gettingabout 30 to 35 percent less
battery life than you did whenyou first bought it.
So you're going to notice youhave a lot less screen on time.
You have to charge it moreoften.
You're also getting to thepoint where it's getting towards
the end of getting the featureupdates.
You might not get certainfeatures the following year if
you don't upgrade, so you mightmiss out on One UI feature
updates.
You're still getting securityupdates, so no problem there.

(55:02):
And then plus, because Samsungadds all these new features like
AI and stuff.
Your phone also might feel alittle bit slower after three
years because some of the new AIfeatures and stuff if you want
to use some of those, even ifyou get them, the processor from
three years ago may not beoptimized for those tasks.
So that's kind of the breakdownlike after one year.
You're not losing hardlyanything.
I would only upgrade if one youjust love to have the newest

(55:25):
stuff and if it's a hobby foryou obviously it was for me
before I started this cool, doit if it makes you happy and
you've got the money.
Cool.
But you don't really need tounless you have, like a storage
concern or something like that.
After two years, like I said,you know that's the time where
it's basically you know you'regoing to want to upgrade.
If you're like a gaming guy, amultitasking guy, used a lot for
work, the processor jump isgoing to be pretty significant.

(55:46):
And then after three years,that's where most people should
upgrade because battery life isgoing to be significantly
degradated.
You're going to lose a lot ofthose feature updates in the
following year and obviouslyit's going to feel slower
because new features are goingto be pushing that
three-year-old processor Now.
After that, of course, whoshould?
I say should not upgrade forthree years?
I would say mainly like yourgrandparents, people who don't

(56:07):
use that phone for any smartfunctions other than just phones
for the most part.
Maybe they view photos.
You send them in an email onceevery week.
Well then, yeah, they don'tneed to upgrade for like five or
six years because that's whenthe security updates run out,
and then you obviously wanttheir phone to stay secure if
they're still accessing some ofthat information on the internet
.
But if you have, you know,parents or grandparents who are
like 65 plus five or six yearsis probably perfectly fine,

(56:30):
right, like it's not a big deal.
But for most average Americansthat are in like the 18 to,
let's say, 55 demographic whoare working, have kids, family,
whatever they do, care about theperformance.
Two to three years, dependingon if you play games or if you
use it a lot for, likemultitasking for work, that's
what I would say.
What do you think, tori?
What do you think about thatanalysis?

(56:50):
Because you're kind of anaverage consumer, do you think
that seems reasonable?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
about that analysis because you're you're kind of
average consumer.
Do you think that seemsreasonable?
Uh, yeah, yeah, I know, and Iwas actually just thinking uh, I
think before 2013.
Um, at least from myperspective, it seemed like from
cell phone company or not cellphone companies, but cell phone
carriers uh, most people wereupgrading their phones about
every two years, because thatseemed to be like the upgrade

(57:14):
cycle.
So I remember like a lot of myfamily and friends were like, oh
okay, well, yeah, every twoyears I'm eligible for upgrade
and I should probably upgradebecause I want.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Well, yeah, because when we didn't have the payment
plans, we were talking aboutthat.
Yeah, they did the subsidizeddevices, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But now we have the payment plans, so people are
kind of like oh well, I'mholding on to the phone a little
bit longer because I don't wantto necessarily be on another
payment plan.
Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think the carriers kind of lost themselves some
money there.
I think a lot more peopleupgrade when they have the
subsidized device because it'slike oh well, it's only $300,
$400 to upgrade to the new S25Ultra.
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, why not?
Because it's pretty cheap.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Why not?
Because it's pretty cheap.
In the end it's basically thesame, because they just built in
the cost of the plan to behigher when they subsidize
devices.
If you're a person just lookingat that, it seems that way For
this year, particularly becauseLarry did ask S24 Ultra versus
S25 Ultra.
From what we've seen, this is abigger jump than usual because
we talked about it last week.
The Snapdragon Elite is a bigprocessor upgrade.

(58:13):
I still don't think you have toor need to upgrade, but if you
are a gaming or multitasking guyand you take a lot of photos,
the computational photographyupgrade alone, aside from just
the camera hardware that samsungwill bring, should be pretty
big.
So this is a year where I wouldlean more.
Like if I were leaning one wayor another, if I, if I was on
the fence about year over year,this is a year where I would

(58:35):
lean more towards doing it Likelast year S23 to S24, I would
have told people don't do it.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
If you've got an S23.
It's the same phone, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I was like congratulations, you bought the
same phone twice.
I mean it had a flat sideinstead of a slightly curved,
but there was almost nothingthat much different.
They didn't even vastly improvethe camera.
I mean I'm glad a lot of youguys bought S24 Ultras because
that helped us make some moneyand we got to send a lot of
mystery boxes.
It did really well, which isgreat.
Maybe those are people who areupgrading from the S21, which is
fine, or the S22.

(59:03):
But if you went S23 to S24,almost the same phone I mean it
had the anti-reflective coatingbut it's not like a massive.
The S24 Ultra is still a champ,a beast.
I have one, I mean I can use itor the S24 Ultra.
There's no performance, realchanges in day-to-day, even on
6.1.1.
So I mean, yeah, I would havetold people the other year,
absolutely not this year.

(59:23):
If I were on the fence and Iwere someone who likes phones, I
would lean towards upgradingbecause one you've got the
rounded design I design.
I actually like that over thesquared off corners because it
fits nicer in the hand when.
I don't use case.
Big fan of that.
Actually this year we do have.
They're going to improve theanti-reflective coating.
They're changing some of thecamera hardware this year.
Last year we didn't have anychange to the camera hardware.

(59:44):
We're going to get a betterprocessor.
That's actually significantlybetter.
Instead of 5%, it's like 30.
That's a pretty.
That's like usually like atwo-year jump yeah from last
year to this year is basicallylike a two-year processor
upgrade, um plus.
You know there's some othersurprises I'm sure that samsung
hasn't trickled out plus, keepin mind, if you are an
enthusiast one, ui7 is coming tothe s25 ultra and stable first.

(01:00:06):
If you have an s24, you're notgetting it until s25 ultra.
So if you love trying out thenew software and you don't want
to do the beta, the only wayyou're getting the stable first
is to buy the S25 Ultra.
So there's that added littlebenefit of it as well.
So this is a year where I wouldlean a little more towards
upgrading, just because one.
I do think the Snapdragon 8Elite is a massive change in

(01:00:28):
kind of the paradigm forQualcomm's chips.
I think it's going to bring alot of improvements, including
battery life, and I personallylike the rounded design, the
corners, because I, just when Iuse it, I use my phone without a
case at home sometimes and itfeels nicer.
So I personally like that.
So that would be my analysis.
Do you have to upgrade s24 tos25?
Of course not.
I mean it's not like the s24ultra is going to become garbage

(01:00:50):
when the s25 ultra comes out.
It's.
It's going to be a great phone,but I think it's a much bigger
I'd say two to three timesbigger upgrade than S23 Ultra
and S24 Ultra.
So certainly if you have an S22Ultra or older, I would say
upgrade for sure.
If you have an S23 Ultra, I'dstill say this is a good time to
upgrade because you're going toget a lot of camera upgrades.
I mean, of course it also comesdown.

(01:01:12):
Do you like the rounded corners, like I do?
If you don't, then, you mighthang on to your S23 Ultra a
little longer because obviouslythe design is not something you
can really change the physicaldesign, but in terms of camera
upgrades, processor upgrades,this is going to be a pretty big
upgrade from S23 to S25 Ultra.
So I would probably leantowards upgrading.
So I would say S23 Ultra beforeI would say I would probably

(01:01:35):
lean towards upgrading.
So I would say S23 Ultra beforeI would say I would do it S24
Ultra.
I would say it really dependson if you are enthusiast, if you
have the extra money Aftertrade-in it's probably only
going to be about $400 toupgrade because Samsung gives
you a lot of money.
If you have an S23 Ultra, s24,even the S22,.
Tori's probably going to getlike $700 or or 800 for his S22
Ultra.
They give you a lot for the lasttwo to three years because they
want to push the people who arein the two to three year

(01:01:57):
because they know they reallymight be on the fence about an
upgrade.
So they're like here, let'sgive you a massive trade-in
credit and then you'lldefinitely want to upgrade
because it'll be super appealing.
Anyway, I think that's mostlywhat we're going to chat about.
That was a really good questionthat we got this week.
I like when we have the longerkind of questions I can dive
into like multiple parts.
So if you guys have those,definitely send them over.

(01:02:20):
I think Tori and I are about togo get some lunch here, Going
to go grab a sandwich fromPotbelly here on Saturday.
Good place and, yeah, next weekwe'll be back, probably going to
be a lot more One UI 7.0 stuff.
Who knows, maybe they send my ZFold Special Edition early and
I'm sure there'll be a lot ofother Samsung news every week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
That's how we exist.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
There's 10 to 15 pieces of Samsung news every day
, otherwise Sammy Guru would notexist.
In the meantime, hope you guysall have a great week and this
week keep expanding your galaxy.