June 19, 2025 • 29 mins
"There's always room to be better."
Black women in the Adult Industry face a unique, and yet not unfamiliar, discrimination, and as one of the leading Black performers, Ana Foxxx is no stranger to it. In a special sit-down with Sapphire, they discuss the impact and challenges that persist for women of color. Calling for accountability of some of the biggest studios, this conversation has been long overdue.
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Warning, the following program is not for the weak hearted,
those who are close minded or ingeneral you're scared to learn
what's behind closed doors. Here at Sapphires Airplay.
I want you to pour the wine, grab somebody that you want to
hold on to, or better yet, get the vibration stimulated through
your body. Get ready for one hell of an
orgasm in 54321. What is up all you sexy
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motherfuckers out there in Radioland?
It's your girl Megan Sapphire. And if you guys are probably
watching this, you're like, oh, I know this face.
And if you don't know this face,well, first of all, happy
Juneteenth to all you melanated folks out there.
And second of all, this is my wonderful, beautiful wifey.
Please nobody come at me. There's a history with this, OK?
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This is why I say wifey. But the beautiful chocolate
goddess of all time, Miss Anna fucking Fox.
Oh, my goodness. I I'm so glad that you signed up
to do this with me. Yes, ma'am.
I think the time is just like finally come.
It's perfect timing. And let's take it back a little
bit because some people are like, wait a second, you called
her wifey. So you must know.
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We know we go back. We do go back.
We. Go way way we do.
Lots of shenanigans. Lots.
Of shenanigans. And it's oddly enough like you
and I kind of met in the like asporn babies.
Yes, yeah. Very, very, very young in the
industry. And so some people are like,
wait, you've performed Sapphire?No, I have not.
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No, no, no, no, no. I've always been behind the mic,
literally in the radio industry.And I met Anna pretty much at
the height of my Playboy career,which was great.
And you've been in this businessfor over 10 years now.
Over 10 years now, yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah, so the time has come where, you know, on Sapphire 0
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play I'm always going to call out some shit.
And I'm not going to lie, this has been something on my mind
for a long, long time. And when I got a call from you,
and it's always interesting because if I get a call from
Anna, it's always like, girl, listen to some shit.
It's never like, oh, how are youdoing?
No, I need to call you on this shit.
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There needs to be no trace, no evidence, no trace of this call
every happening. So we got we got to talk about
it. And what better way to talk
about it during Juneteenth, Yes.And it's really, I don't want to
say calling out the industry, but it's it's time Y'all, you
know, five years ago, the avians, they notoriously said
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that they were going to get rid of, you know, the Ebony
category, they were going to be a little bit more black friendly
to their foreign users. We'll Fast forward now to 2025
and we've still never seen really much a change.
I left actually Evil Angel back in 2023.
Well, actually, no, last year, 2024.
And I even had talked about the uncomfortableness, you know,
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working behind the scenes and looking at old porn titles that
we're now trying to almost eraseor say that these things never
happened. And so this leads me to my
conversation with Anna. And you have gotten a lot of
backlash, I would say not even just this year alone, but
notoriously, what was it 6 yearsago?
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There's this picture of you on the 2019 NBN Awards and you've
came full out African pride. And that's a big no no.
Yeah. So, so let's get down to it.
Like why now? Why me, out of all people, out
of all the outlets that you could speak to, why do you think
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you had to come onto my platformto really call out the industry
on? I don't want to say the blatant
racism, but there's just no support.
There's no support for the blackcommunity anymore.
I feel like that's why I came toyou because I've done like 100
interviews my whole career. But I feel like people are
afraid to ask the obvious, even when they'll ask about like race
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in the industry and like if it'sgood or bad, they'll still are
afraid to like, let me go into the tea.
And it's been a long time cominglike from like this little
instance, this one to my experience, to her experience,
to our experience, it's just been like kind of like treated
like we're overreacting for for them under reacting.
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So yeah. Yes, honestly, for me, it's
always been the titles. It's never been about the
performance. It's always been the titles.
Like there was one, I think whenI was first starting at Evil
Angel, one of the titles was Black chicks sucking Dick.
Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, wait a
second. Yeah.
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We're still. We are still doing that.
We're still doing. That we are still doing that
like it's been from things like that to like the the the best 1
during 2020. Black facials matter, you know,
to to black. Facials matter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then speaking up
about how problematic titles like that are.
Yeah, it gets you in trouble when when we're the ones
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affected by it, like we are the ones that like have to perform
and we have less opportunities to perform under I would say
like more elegant titles, like more humane titles.
And if we decline to want to shoot underneath a like a
problematic title, then we just don't work.
Right. See and that's what I don't
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understand is how a title or youjust refusing to do a certain
scene because you feel it's uncomfortable really can't
affect the paycheck. Oh, it can, yeah.
How is so? Have you ever in your career I
had to take a significant pay cut because you spoke out?
Oh yeah, yeah, I would say like the biggest 1 was my
relationship with like the wholeumbrella of like vixen Black
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tushy. Once I had my little hole like
banana gate thing happen, my relationship not only stopped
with that one director who the issue was with, it stopped with
everyone underneath that whole company.
Banana gate for some people who don't know.
Who don't know for the first time, 4 black girls women were
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hired by forgive me for mixing up the companies, but I believe
blacked and we were given bananas to pose with And when we
spoke up about like what are thebananas for?
Because it was Valentine's Day, we weren't sucking them.
Like I could understand because I would suck a banana, I'd fuck
a banana and that doesn't have to do anything with my race.
But we didn't do anything like that.
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So when we spoke up about it plus plus plus it was a whole
day. It was a whole day like that was
like one of eight things that had happened that day.
Like there was like the Google. It I'm like low key kind of like
my heart kind of stopped for a second because first of all, you
said this was for Valentine's Day, which falls on Black
History Month, and nobody thought that this was not going
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to have some type of backlash. No, no, not until like the end
of the day because we had to start complaining on set, which
isn't normal. Like I normally don't have too
much to complain about. But it was this that the
bananas, the floor, the talent, like the cleanliness of the
house, no heater in the house, you know, yes, there was like a
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whole list of things. And when we complained, we were
no longer hired by the company when I had been the first Vixen
Angel, the first black Vixen Angel and I was number six of
the first top 10 Vixen Angels. So like to be like within the
company, like actively working and then have this one issue,
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which I feel like it's like racially motivated and then have
no more work with that that lineanymore and feel like other
companies didn't want to associate.
That's like the biggest pay cut I could have got for something
that I had no control over. And just for speaking out.
And this is, you know, not just a regular nine to five job.
No. This could have been also a
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career ending decision. Yeah.
Which again, how long did this take place?
Like 4 or five years ago. 5 Likebefore it was.
It was before COVID I think. OK, so it's still like in the
height, Yeah. Like the heightening racial
tension, yeah, of the 20 twenties.
I mean, racial tensions have been high, you know, throughout
history. And in fact, it's crazy to me
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because when you think about black pornographers and they
talk about, you know, some of the things that we do on camera,
it it's crazy when you look at the statistics that 36% of the
scenes are also white women being targets of the aggression
of black men. OK, We've seen it with the the
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Bros, you know, in the car on the websites and they're, you
know, hollering at white chicks,but they're also like dragging
her ass. And nobody's saying that this is
a problem thing, a problematic thing.
But have the roles been flicked?I feel like black people would
be like, oh, no, that's, you know, that's not right.
This is not how we get down. But at the same time, what are
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you telling in cells on the Internet that this is the way to
approach white women as a black man or that black men are always
going to be aggressive for sex, which can even go back to the
slave days when we had, you know, the Mandingos and you know
the true origins of cuckolding. But that's not why we're here.
But that makes you need to go doyour homework and research on
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why even cuckolding is such a racist thing in porn.
So leading it back to that, it'scrazy to me that again, a
percentage that high violence towards white women, then you
see the flip where it's like we don't see the violence against
black women or do we? Oh yes, they the fans, the
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unfortunately it's the black menfans that love to like harass
black female performers for anything that they might do
remotely violent. When our options for
performances shoots that we can do are limited like a lot of the
new black girls, unfortunately like you'll get like a company
like ghetto gaggers or somethingthat wants to shoot with you.
Is it her fault that like no other company thinks that she's
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worth it and this company is willing to pay her a white girl?
Wait, you know what I mean? So then if she does that scene,
then the fans will fucking slam her and be like, how dare you?
But I don't see any of the like the flips on the comments of,
you know, white women. But black women can't do
anything like that. It's too far.
It's too far. They don't have other options.
There's there's this or that. And if you're not lucky enough
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to be a token, where do you go? Speaking of, I feel like you've
been used as. A token?
Oh yeah, For quite a while, yes.Like.
Endearingly. Oh yeah.
It's like every time I do see you and like, even when I talk
to friends and I'm like, oh, this is Anna Fox.
You know, they're like, oh, that's the one, the one that I
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always see. And it's like, you'll name other
names Kira Noir and Miss you so.But those are also all the
tokenisms of black women in porn.
We're so separated too, as our as our tokens, like Misty does
this and like we're not allowed to like or we don't really like
work together or cross to like, like she's there, she's there
and she's there. They're not all in the same.
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Right, it's not a Charlie's Angel thing.
No, no, no, no. Which I'm like it would be kind
of. Cool.
It makes sense like we're the only like race of girls that
they don't have really collab together.
And I wonder why, because we're like in the top selling like in
the US every year it it says like who's the top right Ebony
is up there. Ebony is.
Every year in top Yeah, last year was.
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Top three, I think it's been in the top three, yeah, so.
I don't understand, Like you could also.
I mean, if we're going to go there, we'll go there.
Brown paperback tests. Yeah, I did notice like, not
only me complaining, but a lot of black girls in porn but
complain about their skin tones being lightened in the
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promotions of their porns to almost make them look like white
passing, you know what I mean? So like a lot of girls, like you
would see them underneath their own porn.
Like why did you lighten me likethis?
Like I know Demi Sutra. I know September rain like I've
seen like multiple girls like say these things about even
myself like I'm like as dark as they come and I've still even
seen myself lightened up. I've seen you lightened up in
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right and I mean. Who is that?
Again, you know, it's like, why are we so scared to see the
different shades of blackness? OK, that's the thing.
Black people come in different shades and colors, just like
Mexican folks come in, Latino folks, let me you know, say they
all come in different shades. Asian folks come in different
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shades. But yet you see it in porn all
the time. It's never, you know, the light
skinned dark black man. You know, it's always the
chocolate. Yeah, Black's always featured
dark chocolate, gangsta, thuggish looking men.
Yeah, and you know, vice versa. Now they're just like props for
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the girls to sit on. They're like, oh, they're no,
they're classy. They're in suits, but like
they're the prop. But like the girl, like in the
pictures, I think you might haveshowed me a picture where the
girl was like literally like he's like a couch.
She's like posing on him like he's a couch.
Like again, what what what are we trying to portray?
And again, before people start saying well this is what we
like, I think the porn industry low key thinks that the average
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porn user is so dumb that if youwere to just change Ebony to
just black they would be too dumb to notice.
Yeah, they do. They do.
They do. I'm like, I'd rather just see
black porn, black pussy, black hair, like even just the fact
that I have to go. In black love, black Love and.
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Even still, I'm seeing white girls pop up.
Latina chicks. No offense, but again, there's
nothing for us. No, there's no space for us to
be us. No.
Even people when I told them that Black wasn't technically a
Black-owned company. You know.
Like again, there's only so much, there's only so much in
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this laying in Ave. that we actually have a say in.
Or do you have to go through theback streets of like ghetto
gaggers or, you know, some degrading type of C list porn,
if you will, just to say, oh, I'm supporting a black artist
right now amongst the black performers.
Over the years, there have been dinners, there have been
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gatherings and award shows. Can we get to the Realty about
what happened exactly this year?Because I found it kind of rude
that I was invited to the browser's dinner.
What was it last year? And then all of a sudden, Black
History Month comes around. My invitation is not in the
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mail. I know a couple other people's
invitations were in the mail, and then there was some kerfuff
for fuffling with with your invitation.
Yeah. And whatnot.
Yeah. And yeah, we're supposed to be
celebrating everybody. Black excellence, right?
Right. If we're truly celebrating in
Black excellence, why weren't you celebrating Black
excellence? Like how did you, how did you
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accidentally uninvite people whoare literally the definition of
black excellence? Like now it's one thing for the
people who did get an invite anddidn't show up, but I think that
it's really ironic that you werethere when it started.
I was there when it started, other performers that were there
when it started off of my performer ass body and then
browsers wants to have a hand inhelping and then somehow it gets
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flipped to I don't fuck with them.
So they didn't invite me to the dinner that I started to
celebrate black excellence. I never said that like I'm
allowed to have issues with the company as a performer.
That doesn't mean like fuck the company altogether.
Like if my scene, if my scene wasn't comfortable, I'm allowed
to. Am I not allowed to voice that?
Do I have to pretend that it's Peaches and roses every time?
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That's ridiculous. It's adult.
So it's really ironic that like,oh, we don't know.
It was this person's fault. It was that person's fault.
Well, that girl said this, that girl said that.
How did it go from you guys literally like what, three years
ago, wanting to just like document it, film it to
everybody completely forgetting how it even fucking started.
And then you guys like taking people out who don't, who don't,
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who don't champion for you, you know, like, if you're not a
cheerleader, that has nothing todo with our blackness in our
industry. Exactly.
In such a marginalized again community that doesn't get their
moment. No, we're black women,
especially in the industry, haveless of a space in the industry.
All of the award shows are not, are not, you know, praising us.
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We are the only ones that don't really have like a space.
So creating that space is which I did when it's really weird how
you get excluded from the own space that you created for you,
for you. So I'd still like to know how
like I didn't get, I didn't. And then like I really didn't
feel the support from some otherblack performers that could have
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helped in that situation. The ones that should have had my
back really didn't have my back.What's kind of weird for me is
that, and I am going to call this out, we're the black men in
the industry that are supposed to be protecting their black
Queens because I don't feel the support and love, especially
with the men like you. And I became close over the
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years through another black performer, black male performer.
And that's the only person that I could actually really call
upon. And I know he doesn't like to be
in the spotlight, but like, there are other people and the
Ricky Johnsons, I'm sorry, but the cash monies.
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Sometimes I feel like I feel like they have got in their
space and that they're afraid tosay anything because like, look
at like if they invite a black woman to the space and I open my
mouth, they're like, oops, sorry, we never knew her.
So like if he's up there, I feellike maybe they feel they think
the same way, but it's like theyhave, we have the least amount
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of power in the industry out of everybody.
Like we're underneath, like everybody, like.
Yet you guys are such the marketable.
Yeah. Marketable, you know, space.
Yeah. You guys are the ones that do
bring customers out. I'm not lying, you know, going
to ADNS, which I probably will never go again.
To be honest, that was just a little bit too much for me even
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as a nominee. But like when I've been
disrespected in the, you know, in the space as someone who is
very loyal to the adult industry, you know, I never like
to shit on y'all. But at the same time, when I'm
seeing my black performers constantly being put on the back
burner or they're not in the front of the, you know, big name
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boots, but yet they're the ones that are selling the DVDs, they
are selling the merch. They're promoting it.
You guys are promoting the hell out of it, but there's no, like,
come on, there's no big space. I know you've taken a lot of
Flack even for your, you know, creative tapes with Playboy,
which is like, first of all, it's monumental.
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I mean, Playboy has had relationships with a lot of
black women throughout the yearsas Playboy bunnies.
But for someone like yourself togo from a performer to now,
like, into this creative space, you are trying to enter this new
phase of, like, giving us a platform.
But yeah, there's the set back where it's like, Oh, no, she
still has to remain, you know, in her own space.
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She used to stay in her own lane.
They I don't feel like people were considering like my
directing for Playboy, like Sirius, I'm the only producer
for their team that was specifically bringing sex worker
black sex worker women to their platform.
And I, I feel like I'd see othergirls just like simply like fuck
a DJ and get so much more creditfor that.
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And I was like, but did you guysknow that like that that was
like me, myself and I doing it like creatively out of my own
money, my. Time and everything.
And like, I like I, I don't know, like I don't, I don't see
anybody else trying that hard for black women.
So I just was like, I just don'tunderstand, like why these
things don't matter to, to the rest of the industry.
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And if you speak up about it, they're just like, again, again,
look at her, look at her. I mean, every industry is going
to have their, you know, black sheep and they're going to have
their, you know, underappreciated audience.
But at the same time, other industries have unions.
Yeah. Why in the porn industry do you
think we don't have unions? 'Cause everybody is so, so
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sprawled out, like so individualthinking, some people think we
need it, some people don't. We can't even get united on like
testing protocols and things like that.
So, you know, it's really hard to get this industry to unify.
If some people are benefit the, the, the top people are
benefiting from it not being so.So why?
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Why would they push for that? I mean, I've always said there
has to be some type of unionization because when you
guys need residuals for everybody who's outside of the
industry, they don't really get residuals as like Hollywood
actors get paid. And it's the same thing that's
happening right now. Like I'm a part of SAG AFTRA.
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And unfortunately, as Hollywood is seeking a major dive, it also
counts down to the people in production.
So thank you to our girl filmingfor this, because shout out to
the production teams because they also need to have, you
know, hello, their reparations due too.
So bring it back to the adult industry.
It's funny how again, when you're working and you're
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reproducing content and it doesn't go directly to the hands
of those who may have created itor may have, oh, I don't know,
risk their their bodily health, AKA actresses like Anna, and
they do not get paid. What does that say about this
community that takes the literalmoney off the backs of
performers? So again, when people say
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unionization doesn't work in theadult industry, it's not just
because of the exploitation. Let's be honest, you don't want
to pay people their work. You are still basing the pay off
the color of the skin or how oldthey are or if you're a male or
female or the fact that they have a bigger Dick size, a
bigger tip size. Again, pay people their fucking
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work. And if you're going to be
profiting off of the black dollars and you want to use hip
hop as a reference, it's a porn AKA Pornhub with your wards AV
NS with your you know, we see you when you try to get, you
know, on the money train of backing up hip hop artists to
come and host and, you know, saytheir little 2.
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PS But again, what are you saying about supporting the
black community who has thrived throughout the years, has had
rising stars come and go with nonominations or no recognition?
How is it that you have had a career of over 10 years and yet
we see the same nominees and winners API, you are still
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considered the best and it doesn't take Urban X to
recognize because let's be honest, that's another cop out
award show. We could talk about that later.
But again, at least you are recognizing some black
nominations and nominees, but you're still not embodying all
the black performers and you know the talent.
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So I don't know, I just a lot can be said.
Yeah, I know, I know. My mind is like there's so many
girls that I've never seen like get that I'm like this.
Do you know what she can do? Do you know what she does?
Do you know what she looks like?Like do you know like when she
walks down the fucking St. how many people would crash a car
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cuz how fine she is? And she's never got like, you
know, like, OK. And yet it would still be just
another porn hole to y'all. But at the same time, it's like
if I see, you know, black women just excelling in any type, I
don't care what the business is.But especially in porn where
you're already getting backlash as a woman, as a black female,
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then you're busting it wide openon camera.
That's a lot to say. That's a lot to endure.
I can't imagine the comments that you get constantly for, you
know, just being a black woman who may fuck black guys and
white guys. You know, they sat in the third
and then they want to inquire about your private life.
And it's like, no, no. I've never like I don't get it.
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Like I know for a fact that the black women have a different
type of discrimination, discrimination when it comes to
us being sex workers. Like it's insane.
Like the the like Dick color counting is insane.
Like I've I've never. Wait, wait, Dick.
Color counting. Yes ma'am.
Yes ma'am. Like.
Who? What color, Dick?
Was that one, like, I've never thought about that shit before.
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Like I've never, I've never had like a racial preference when it
comes to penis. OK.
But obviously the guys that watch it do and they seem to
think because they can't find a black Dick that they mean that,
that you don't, that you don't do it or whatever.
And I'm like, where did that? Where did that come from?
I, I'm an equal opportunity pussy over here.
I'll fuck anything. Yeah, I, I'll fuck.
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I fuck a lot of things, like everything, everything.
So my pussy will get like, who said that?
Go ask the guys on my street. Like, is that true?
That's not true. And it's like, it's like a
super, it's like a specific kindof hate that we got to deal
with. And then we got to wake up by a
wig so we can go to work so we can be presentable enough to be
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on the camera where the commentsare going to be talking shit
about us because damned if we do, damned if we don't, you know
what I mean? And then they're like, well, you
guys just aren't like selling enough.
Like, well, I'm sorry that we'renot the ones that you guys keep
pumping money into a specific kind of bitch that won't even
show up. Or when she does show up, she's
drunk or she sucked that guy's Dick, sucked that guy's Dick.
And I'm supposed that's what I'msupposed to do.
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If I'm half as ratchet as you think I am, I'm not going
anywhere. You know what I mean?
Like like like Bonnie Blue for instance.
Have you ever seen a black girl in porn do half of half of that?
If we got 1/4 of that doing thatkind of shit, they would we be
kicked out tomorrow. So we have to deal with more.
We have to deal with more from this, more from that and the
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other and we get less recognition all around.
It makes again, zero sense. No.
So I want people to understand the lot could be said.
And I just want people to take note that just Juneteenth in
general, you know, whether you know the true history about it.
At the end of the day, I want people to start supporting their
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black performers. You hear the strife.
Now it's your turn to maybe callout some of these foreign
companies. Maybe it's your turn to you, you
know, start reaching out to these black creatives and not
just saying, oh, you know, you want to fuck me.
No, be on some real shit. Be on some real shit.
If you want to collaborate with some of these artists, come
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professionally, you know, bring a resume, talk to them, interact
with them on a personal, not a personal level, but on a
professional level. You know, at the end of the day,
Anna does more than just, you know, the erotic stuff.
She has done a lot of mainstreamwork as well.
And some of these artists want to break into the mainstream,
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but there's still that stigma. So we shouldn't let stigma, you
know, affect what is being affected right now, which is,
you know, black dollars let this, you know, drop that
stigma. Support them.
Anna, do you have any final thoughts?
I just think that there's alwaysroom to do better.
You know, I, I like, I hate talking negatively about the
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industry that I love so dearly, but it's, it's because it
continuously happens like year after year after year.
I do get tired. I am tired of saying it.
It's because nothing, nothing changes.
Like if you're going to reach out to me to support your brand,
at least get my numbers right. I have 300 million viewers on
your platform and you guys don'twant to invite me to the show.
That's fine, You know what I mean.
But like, what message are you sending?
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So why would I want to do anything if if this is a good
accolade and it still doesn't get me shit, why would I want to
put any more effort into it? You know what I mean?
So like we have room to grow andwe are a community.
So if you don't, if you don't listen to the black women and
what we've been saying, what we have to say, then you really
don't care about the whole industry as a whole.
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And that's a shame because it isa whole family.
It's a whole community it. Really is.
It really is, yeah. And it's a community that I love
and so. Yeah, I love you.
Thank you for signing up for this.
I know this is not easy and I just.
Really like for me. I love you, you know, just thank
you for reaching out and supporting.
Yes, thank you, thank you, thankyou.
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(00:27):
motherfuckers out there in Radioland?
It's your girl Megan Sapphire. And if you guys are probably
watching this, you're like, oh, I know this face.
And if you don't know this face,well, first of all, happy
Juneteenth to all you melanated folks out there.
And second of all, this is my wonderful, beautiful wifey.
Please nobody come at me. There's a history with this, OK?
(00:48):
This is why I say wifey. But the beautiful chocolate
goddess of all time, Miss Anna fucking Fox.
Oh, my goodness. I I'm so glad that you signed up
to do this with me. Yes, ma'am.
I think the time is just like finally come.
It's perfect timing. And let's take it back a little
bit because some people are like, wait a second, you called
her wifey. So you must know.
(01:10):
We know we go back. We do go back.
We. Go way way we do.
Lots of shenanigans. Lots.
Of shenanigans. And it's oddly enough like you
and I kind of met in the like asporn babies.
Yes, yeah. Very, very, very young in the
industry. And so some people are like,
wait, you've performed Sapphire?No, I have not.
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No, no, no, no, no. I've always been behind the mic,
literally in the radio industry.And I met Anna pretty much at
the height of my Playboy career,which was great.
And you've been in this businessfor over 10 years now.
Over 10 years now, yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah, so the time has come where, you know, on Sapphire 0
(01:51):
play I'm always going to call out some shit.
And I'm not going to lie, this has been something on my mind
for a long, long time. And when I got a call from you,
and it's always interesting because if I get a call from
Anna, it's always like, girl, listen to some shit.
It's never like, oh, how are youdoing?
No, I need to call you on this shit.
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There needs to be no trace, no evidence, no trace of this call
every happening. So we got we got to talk about
it. And what better way to talk
about it during Juneteenth, Yes.And it's really, I don't want to
say calling out the industry, but it's it's time Y'all, you
know, five years ago, the avians, they notoriously said
(02:33):
that they were going to get rid of, you know, the Ebony
category, they were going to be a little bit more black friendly
to their foreign users. We'll Fast forward now to 2025
and we've still never seen really much a change.
I left actually Evil Angel back in 2023.
Well, actually, no, last year, 2024.
And I even had talked about the uncomfortableness, you know,
(02:57):
working behind the scenes and looking at old porn titles that
we're now trying to almost eraseor say that these things never
happened. And so this leads me to my
conversation with Anna. And you have gotten a lot of
backlash, I would say not even just this year alone, but
notoriously, what was it 6 yearsago?
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There's this picture of you on the 2019 NBN Awards and you've
came full out African pride. And that's a big no no.
Yeah. So, so let's get down to it.
Like why now? Why me, out of all people, out
of all the outlets that you could speak to, why do you think
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you had to come onto my platformto really call out the industry
on? I don't want to say the blatant
racism, but there's just no support.
There's no support for the blackcommunity anymore.
I feel like that's why I came toyou because I've done like 100
interviews my whole career. But I feel like people are
afraid to ask the obvious, even when they'll ask about like race
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in the industry and like if it'sgood or bad, they'll still are
afraid to like, let me go into the tea.
And it's been a long time cominglike from like this little
instance, this one to my experience, to her experience,
to our experience, it's just been like kind of like treated
like we're overreacting for for them under reacting.
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So yeah. Yes, honestly, for me, it's
always been the titles. It's never been about the
performance. It's always been the titles.
Like there was one, I think whenI was first starting at Evil
Angel, one of the titles was Black chicks sucking Dick.
Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, wait a
second. Yeah.
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We're still. We are still doing that.
We're still doing. That we are still doing that
like it's been from things like that to like the the the best 1
during 2020. Black facials matter, you know,
to to black. Facials matter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then speaking up
about how problematic titles like that are.
Yeah, it gets you in trouble when when we're the ones
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affected by it, like we are the ones that like have to perform
and we have less opportunities to perform under I would say
like more elegant titles, like more humane titles.
And if we decline to want to shoot underneath a like a
problematic title, then we just don't work.
Right. See and that's what I don't
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understand is how a title or youjust refusing to do a certain
scene because you feel it's uncomfortable really can't
affect the paycheck. Oh, it can, yeah.
How is so? Have you ever in your career I
had to take a significant pay cut because you spoke out?
Oh yeah, yeah, I would say like the biggest 1 was my
relationship with like the wholeumbrella of like vixen Black
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tushy. Once I had my little hole like
banana gate thing happen, my relationship not only stopped
with that one director who the issue was with, it stopped with
everyone underneath that whole company.
Banana gate for some people who don't know.
Who don't know for the first time, 4 black girls women were
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hired by forgive me for mixing up the companies, but I believe
blacked and we were given bananas to pose with And when we
spoke up about like what are thebananas for?
Because it was Valentine's Day, we weren't sucking them.
Like I could understand because I would suck a banana, I'd fuck
a banana and that doesn't have to do anything with my race.
But we didn't do anything like that.
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So when we spoke up about it plus plus plus it was a whole
day. It was a whole day like that was
like one of eight things that had happened that day.
Like there was like the Google. It I'm like low key kind of like
my heart kind of stopped for a second because first of all, you
said this was for Valentine's Day, which falls on Black
History Month, and nobody thought that this was not going
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to have some type of backlash. No, no, not until like the end
of the day because we had to start complaining on set, which
isn't normal. Like I normally don't have too
much to complain about. But it was this that the
bananas, the floor, the talent, like the cleanliness of the
house, no heater in the house, you know, yes, there was like a
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whole list of things. And when we complained, we were
no longer hired by the company when I had been the first Vixen
Angel, the first black Vixen Angel and I was number six of
the first top 10 Vixen Angels. So like to be like within the
company, like actively working and then have this one issue,
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which I feel like it's like racially motivated and then have
no more work with that that lineanymore and feel like other
companies didn't want to associate.
That's like the biggest pay cut I could have got for something
that I had no control over. And just for speaking out.
And this is, you know, not just a regular nine to five job.
No. This could have been also a
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career ending decision. Yeah.
Which again, how long did this take place?
Like 4 or five years ago. 5 Likebefore it was.
It was before COVID I think. OK, so it's still like in the
height, Yeah. Like the heightening racial
tension, yeah, of the 20 twenties.
I mean, racial tensions have been high, you know, throughout
history. And in fact, it's crazy to me
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because when you think about black pornographers and they
talk about, you know, some of the things that we do on camera,
it it's crazy when you look at the statistics that 36% of the
scenes are also white women being targets of the aggression
of black men. OK, We've seen it with the the
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Bros, you know, in the car on the websites and they're, you
know, hollering at white chicks,but they're also like dragging
her ass. And nobody's saying that this is
a problem thing, a problematic thing.
But have the roles been flicked?I feel like black people would
be like, oh, no, that's, you know, that's not right.
This is not how we get down. But at the same time, what are
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you telling in cells on the Internet that this is the way to
approach white women as a black man or that black men are always
going to be aggressive for sex, which can even go back to the
slave days when we had, you know, the Mandingos and you know
the true origins of cuckolding. But that's not why we're here.
But that makes you need to go doyour homework and research on
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why even cuckolding is such a racist thing in porn.
So leading it back to that, it'scrazy to me that again, a
percentage that high violence towards white women, then you
see the flip where it's like we don't see the violence against
black women or do we? Oh yes, they the fans, the
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unfortunately it's the black menfans that love to like harass
black female performers for anything that they might do
remotely violent. When our options for
performances shoots that we can do are limited like a lot of the
new black girls, unfortunately like you'll get like a company
like ghetto gaggers or somethingthat wants to shoot with you.
Is it her fault that like no other company thinks that she's
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worth it and this company is willing to pay her a white girl?
Wait, you know what I mean? So then if she does that scene,
then the fans will fucking slam her and be like, how dare you?
But I don't see any of the like the flips on the comments of,
you know, white women. But black women can't do
anything like that. It's too far.
It's too far. They don't have other options.
There's there's this or that. And if you're not lucky enough
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to be a token, where do you go? Speaking of, I feel like you've
been used as. A token?
Oh yeah, For quite a while, yes.Like.
Endearingly. Oh yeah.
It's like every time I do see you and like, even when I talk
to friends and I'm like, oh, this is Anna Fox.
You know, they're like, oh, that's the one, the one that I
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always see. And it's like, you'll name other
names Kira Noir and Miss you so.But those are also all the
tokenisms of black women in porn.
We're so separated too, as our as our tokens, like Misty does
this and like we're not allowed to like or we don't really like
work together or cross to like, like she's there, she's there
and she's there. They're not all in the same.
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Right, it's not a Charlie's Angel thing.
No, no, no, no. Which I'm like it would be kind
of. Cool.
It makes sense like we're the only like race of girls that
they don't have really collab together.
And I wonder why, because we're like in the top selling like in
the US every year it it says like who's the top right Ebony
is up there. Ebony is.
Every year in top Yeah, last year was.
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Top three, I think it's been in the top three, yeah, so.
I don't understand, Like you could also.
I mean, if we're going to go there, we'll go there.
Brown paperback tests. Yeah, I did notice like, not
only me complaining, but a lot of black girls in porn but
complain about their skin tones being lightened in the
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promotions of their porns to almost make them look like white
passing, you know what I mean? So like a lot of girls, like you
would see them underneath their own porn.
Like why did you lighten me likethis?
Like I know Demi Sutra. I know September rain like I've
seen like multiple girls like say these things about even
myself like I'm like as dark as they come and I've still even
seen myself lightened up. I've seen you lightened up in
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right and I mean. Who is that?
Again, you know, it's like, why are we so scared to see the
different shades of blackness? OK, that's the thing.
Black people come in different shades and colors, just like
Mexican folks come in, Latino folks, let me you know, say they
all come in different shades. Asian folks come in different
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shades. But yet you see it in porn all
the time. It's never, you know, the light
skinned dark black man. You know, it's always the
chocolate. Yeah, Black's always featured
dark chocolate, gangsta, thuggish looking men.
Yeah, and you know, vice versa. Now they're just like props for
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the girls to sit on. They're like, oh, they're no,
they're classy. They're in suits, but like
they're the prop. But like the girl, like in the
pictures, I think you might haveshowed me a picture where the
girl was like literally like he's like a couch.
She's like posing on him like he's a couch.
Like again, what what what are we trying to portray?
And again, before people start saying well this is what we
like, I think the porn industry low key thinks that the average
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porn user is so dumb that if youwere to just change Ebony to
just black they would be too dumb to notice.
Yeah, they do. They do.
They do. I'm like, I'd rather just see
black porn, black pussy, black hair, like even just the fact
that I have to go. In black love, black Love and.
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Even still, I'm seeing white girls pop up.
Latina chicks. No offense, but again, there's
nothing for us. No, there's no space for us to
be us. No.
Even people when I told them that Black wasn't technically a
Black-owned company. You know.
Like again, there's only so much, there's only so much in
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this laying in Ave. that we actually have a say in.
Or do you have to go through theback streets of like ghetto
gaggers or, you know, some degrading type of C list porn,
if you will, just to say, oh, I'm supporting a black artist
right now amongst the black performers.
Over the years, there have been dinners, there have been
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gatherings and award shows. Can we get to the Realty about
what happened exactly this year?Because I found it kind of rude
that I was invited to the browser's dinner.
What was it last year? And then all of a sudden, Black
History Month comes around. My invitation is not in the
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mail. I know a couple other people's
invitations were in the mail, and then there was some kerfuff
for fuffling with with your invitation.
Yeah. And whatnot.
Yeah. And yeah, we're supposed to be
celebrating everybody. Black excellence, right?
Right. If we're truly celebrating in
Black excellence, why weren't you celebrating Black
excellence? Like how did you, how did you
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accidentally uninvite people whoare literally the definition of
black excellence? Like now it's one thing for the
people who did get an invite anddidn't show up, but I think that
it's really ironic that you werethere when it started.
I was there when it started, other performers that were there
when it started off of my performer ass body and then
browsers wants to have a hand inhelping and then somehow it gets
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flipped to I don't fuck with them.
So they didn't invite me to the dinner that I started to
celebrate black excellence. I never said that like I'm
allowed to have issues with the company as a performer.
That doesn't mean like fuck the company altogether.
Like if my scene, if my scene wasn't comfortable, I'm allowed
to. Am I not allowed to voice that?
Do I have to pretend that it's Peaches and roses every time?
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That's ridiculous. It's adult.
So it's really ironic that like,oh, we don't know.
It was this person's fault. It was that person's fault.
Well, that girl said this, that girl said that.
How did it go from you guys literally like what, three years
ago, wanting to just like document it, film it to
everybody completely forgetting how it even fucking started.
And then you guys like taking people out who don't, who don't,
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who don't champion for you, you know, like, if you're not a
cheerleader, that has nothing todo with our blackness in our
industry. Exactly.
In such a marginalized again community that doesn't get their
moment. No, we're black women,
especially in the industry, haveless of a space in the industry.
All of the award shows are not, are not, you know, praising us.
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We are the only ones that don't really have like a space.
So creating that space is which I did when it's really weird how
you get excluded from the own space that you created for you,
for you. So I'd still like to know how
like I didn't get, I didn't. And then like I really didn't
feel the support from some otherblack performers that could have
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helped in that situation. The ones that should have had my
back really didn't have my back.What's kind of weird for me is
that, and I am going to call this out, we're the black men in
the industry that are supposed to be protecting their black
Queens because I don't feel the support and love, especially
with the men like you. And I became close over the
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years through another black performer, black male performer.
And that's the only person that I could actually really call
upon. And I know he doesn't like to be
in the spotlight, but like, there are other people and the
Ricky Johnsons, I'm sorry, but the cash monies.
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Sometimes I feel like I feel like they have got in their
space and that they're afraid tosay anything because like, look
at like if they invite a black woman to the space and I open my
mouth, they're like, oops, sorry, we never knew her.
So like if he's up there, I feellike maybe they feel they think
the same way, but it's like theyhave, we have the least amount
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of power in the industry out of everybody.
Like we're underneath, like everybody, like.
Yet you guys are such the marketable.
Yeah. Marketable, you know, space.
Yeah. You guys are the ones that do
bring customers out. I'm not lying, you know, going
to ADNS, which I probably will never go again.
To be honest, that was just a little bit too much for me even
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as a nominee. But like when I've been
disrespected in the, you know, in the space as someone who is
very loyal to the adult industry, you know, I never like
to shit on y'all. But at the same time, when I'm
seeing my black performers constantly being put on the back
burner or they're not in the front of the, you know, big name
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boots, but yet they're the ones that are selling the DVDs, they
are selling the merch. They're promoting it.
You guys are promoting the hell out of it, but there's no, like,
come on, there's no big space. I know you've taken a lot of
Flack even for your, you know, creative tapes with Playboy,
which is like, first of all, it's monumental.
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I mean, Playboy has had relationships with a lot of
black women throughout the yearsas Playboy bunnies.
But for someone like yourself togo from a performer to now,
like, into this creative space, you are trying to enter this new
phase of, like, giving us a platform.
But yeah, there's the set back where it's like, Oh, no, she
still has to remain, you know, in her own space.
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She used to stay in her own lane.
They I don't feel like people were considering like my
directing for Playboy, like Sirius, I'm the only producer
for their team that was specifically bringing sex worker
black sex worker women to their platform.
And I, I feel like I'd see othergirls just like simply like fuck
a DJ and get so much more creditfor that.
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And I was like, but did you guysknow that like that that was
like me, myself and I doing it like creatively out of my own
money, my. Time and everything.
And like, I like I, I don't know, like I don't, I don't see
anybody else trying that hard for black women.
So I just was like, I just don'tunderstand, like why these
things don't matter to, to the rest of the industry.
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And if you speak up about it, they're just like, again, again,
look at her, look at her. I mean, every industry is going
to have their, you know, black sheep and they're going to have
their, you know, underappreciated audience.
But at the same time, other industries have unions.
Yeah. Why in the porn industry do you
think we don't have unions? 'Cause everybody is so, so
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sprawled out, like so individualthinking, some people think we
need it, some people don't. We can't even get united on like
testing protocols and things like that.
So, you know, it's really hard to get this industry to unify.
If some people are benefit the, the, the top people are
benefiting from it not being so.So why?
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Why would they push for that? I mean, I've always said there
has to be some type of unionization because when you
guys need residuals for everybody who's outside of the
industry, they don't really get residuals as like Hollywood
actors get paid. And it's the same thing that's
happening right now. Like I'm a part of SAG AFTRA.
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And unfortunately, as Hollywood is seeking a major dive, it also
counts down to the people in production.
So thank you to our girl filmingfor this, because shout out to
the production teams because they also need to have, you
know, hello, their reparations due too.
So bring it back to the adult industry.
It's funny how again, when you're working and you're
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reproducing content and it doesn't go directly to the hands
of those who may have created itor may have, oh, I don't know,
risk their their bodily health, AKA actresses like Anna, and
they do not get paid. What does that say about this
community that takes the literalmoney off the backs of
performers? So again, when people say
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unionization doesn't work in theadult industry, it's not just
because of the exploitation. Let's be honest, you don't want
to pay people their work. You are still basing the pay off
the color of the skin or how oldthey are or if you're a male or
female or the fact that they have a bigger Dick size, a
bigger tip size. Again, pay people their fucking
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work. And if you're going to be
profiting off of the black dollars and you want to use hip
hop as a reference, it's a porn AKA Pornhub with your wards AV
NS with your you know, we see you when you try to get, you
know, on the money train of backing up hip hop artists to
come and host and, you know, saytheir little 2.
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PS But again, what are you saying about supporting the
black community who has thrived throughout the years, has had
rising stars come and go with nonominations or no recognition?
How is it that you have had a career of over 10 years and yet
we see the same nominees and winners API, you are still
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considered the best and it doesn't take Urban X to
recognize because let's be honest, that's another cop out
award show. We could talk about that later.
But again, at least you are recognizing some black
nominations and nominees, but you're still not embodying all
the black performers and you know the talent.
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So I don't know, I just a lot can be said.
Yeah, I know, I know. My mind is like there's so many
girls that I've never seen like get that I'm like this.
Do you know what she can do? Do you know what she does?
Do you know what she looks like?Like do you know like when she
walks down the fucking St. how many people would crash a car
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cuz how fine she is? And she's never got like, you
know, like, OK. And yet it would still be just
another porn hole to y'all. But at the same time, it's like
if I see, you know, black women just excelling in any type, I
don't care what the business is.But especially in porn where
you're already getting backlash as a woman, as a black female,
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then you're busting it wide openon camera.
That's a lot to say. That's a lot to endure.
I can't imagine the comments that you get constantly for, you
know, just being a black woman who may fuck black guys and
white guys. You know, they sat in the third
and then they want to inquire about your private life.
And it's like, no, no. I've never like I don't get it.
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Like I know for a fact that the black women have a different
type of discrimination, discrimination when it comes to
us being sex workers. Like it's insane.
Like the the like Dick color counting is insane.
Like I've I've never. Wait, wait, Dick.
Color counting. Yes ma'am.
Yes ma'am. Like.
Who? What color, Dick?
Was that one, like, I've never thought about that shit before.
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Like I've never, I've never had like a racial preference when it
comes to penis. OK.
But obviously the guys that watch it do and they seem to
think because they can't find a black Dick that they mean that,
that you don't, that you don't do it or whatever.
And I'm like, where did that? Where did that come from?
I, I'm an equal opportunity pussy over here.
I'll fuck anything. Yeah, I, I'll fuck.
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I fuck a lot of things, like everything, everything.
So my pussy will get like, who said that?
Go ask the guys on my street. Like, is that true?
That's not true. And it's like, it's like a
super, it's like a specific kindof hate that we got to deal
with. And then we got to wake up by a
wig so we can go to work so we can be presentable enough to be
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on the camera where the commentsare going to be talking shit
about us because damned if we do, damned if we don't, you know
what I mean? And then they're like, well, you
guys just aren't like selling enough.
Like, well, I'm sorry that we'renot the ones that you guys keep
pumping money into a specific kind of bitch that won't even
show up. Or when she does show up, she's
drunk or she sucked that guy's Dick, sucked that guy's Dick.
And I'm supposed that's what I'msupposed to do.
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If I'm half as ratchet as you think I am, I'm not going
anywhere. You know what I mean?
Like like like Bonnie Blue for instance.
Have you ever seen a black girl in porn do half of half of that?
If we got 1/4 of that doing thatkind of shit, they would we be
kicked out tomorrow. So we have to deal with more.
We have to deal with more from this, more from that and the
(26:45):
other and we get less recognition all around.
It makes again, zero sense. No.
So I want people to understand the lot could be said.
And I just want people to take note that just Juneteenth in
general, you know, whether you know the true history about it.
At the end of the day, I want people to start supporting their
(27:05):
black performers. You hear the strife.
Now it's your turn to maybe callout some of these foreign
companies. Maybe it's your turn to you, you
know, start reaching out to these black creatives and not
just saying, oh, you know, you want to fuck me.
No, be on some real shit. Be on some real shit.
If you want to collaborate with some of these artists, come
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professionally, you know, bring a resume, talk to them, interact
with them on a personal, not a personal level, but on a
professional level. You know, at the end of the day,
Anna does more than just, you know, the erotic stuff.
She has done a lot of mainstreamwork as well.
And some of these artists want to break into the mainstream,
(27:46):
but there's still that stigma. So we shouldn't let stigma, you
know, affect what is being affected right now, which is,
you know, black dollars let this, you know, drop that
stigma. Support them.
Anna, do you have any final thoughts?
I just think that there's alwaysroom to do better.
You know, I, I like, I hate talking negatively about the
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industry that I love so dearly, but it's, it's because it
continuously happens like year after year after year.
I do get tired. I am tired of saying it.
It's because nothing, nothing changes.
Like if you're going to reach out to me to support your brand,
at least get my numbers right. I have 300 million viewers on
your platform and you guys don'twant to invite me to the show.
That's fine, You know what I mean.
But like, what message are you sending?
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So why would I want to do anything if if this is a good
accolade and it still doesn't get me shit, why would I want to
put any more effort into it? You know what I mean?
So like we have room to grow andwe are a community.
So if you don't, if you don't listen to the black women and
what we've been saying, what we have to say, then you really
don't care about the whole industry as a whole.
(28:52):
And that's a shame because it isa whole family.
It's a whole community it. Really is.
It really is, yeah. And it's a community that I love
and so. Yeah, I love you.
Thank you for signing up for this.
I know this is not easy and I just.
Really like for me. I love you, you know, just thank
you for reaching out and supporting.
Yes, thank you, thank you, thankyou.
(29:14):
Love this girl and you guys can follow me at Miz Radio Sapphire
at MSRADIOSEPPHIRE. Remember the safe sex is the
best hot sex. Till next time, good night.
That was the show. All you sexy motherfuckers out
there, remember to follow at Miss Radio Sapphire and
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