April 21, 2025 • 63 mins
On this episode of Saron Things:
- Life Updates... under the influence.
- Blake Lively Named as Times 100 Most Influential
- The Valley Season 2 Premiere
- Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion Pt. 3
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Hello and welcome to Swan Things, a pop culture podcast
where we lap our way through this week's trending topics.
I am your host, Saron. How do you diddly do?
I should really think about how I am diddly doing before I ask
that question because I never really.
I think I'm doing well. I think I'm doing well.
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I went to a work dinner. It started off as a work dinner
and we decided it was no longer a work dinner after a certain
amount of time. Anyways, everybody ended up
going to a different bar. I think they're at the Willard.
I don't know. I really wasn't paying
attention, but I ended up back here because I love this bitch.
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And by this bitch, I mean you. I actually look forward to
talking shit with you guys or talking shit at you guys every
week. I had a bunch of wine, I'm not
going to lie, before I got here.And while I'm not having dirty
martinis with my colleagues, I have continued the party with a
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glass of Pinot Grigio. Please go and gather your own.
The thing I love about podcast is I never know when you guys
are listening to this. It could be on your car ride to
work, from work. Then I definitely do not think
that you guys should go get a drink or like a Rodie or
whatever. No, But if you're at home and
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you can get a glass of wine and it won't negatively impact your
life and you don't have something else to do, a child to
tend to a paper, to write a memo, to send an e-mail to
attend to, then please grab a drink and let's hang out for an
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hour. So how am I doing?
My dad is in the hospital again.If you guys do not recall,
several weeks ago he got sick, he got COVID and that required
him to go to the hospital. They diagnosed him.
They gave him his antibiotics. They thought he was doing much
better. They sent him to a nursing home
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because I guess that's what theydo when you are older and you're
like a fall risk and you need tohave like nurses watching you
whilst you're getting better instead of just giving you the
medicine and assuming that you'll handle it on your
ANYWAYS. So he's been at a nursing home
and we have been watching him for the past two weeks.
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And when my dad is in the hospital or when my dad is in
physical therapy or rehab, he's never alone ever.
He has a roommate and there's like a dividing curtain and his
roommate is this older gentleman, of course, and I have
no idea what his ailment is. And I'm sure he's a lovely man,
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but he never has any guests there.
He never has anybody there to check on him.
And my dad, he couldn't get alone time if he wanted it.
He can't find the second for himself.
I'm sure if the man could mobilize and untether himself
from us, he would. But he's quite literally never
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alone. And his daughters have like busy
careers where travel is involved.
One of them is a surgeon. They're like my mom always
spends the night there and she'slike bright eyed and bushy
tailed and just seems not thrilled about it.
Like she doesn't obviously want to be there because being there
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means that there's something wrong with her husband, but
she's just thrilled every secondhe's breathing and every moment
of positivity he shows. Like any action, any
progression, she like lives for it.
It's her drug. So she's bright eyed and bushy
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tailed almost at all times. And then when she has to go to
work, then one of us, one of three of us, there are four of
us, 4 dedicated loving daughters, but there's only one
of us that has children. And we understand what having
children means is like, you haveto tend to them regardless.
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One of them's basically a littlebaby.
I guess she's like a toddler. But my sister's Helen, Judith
and I, we're Single Ladies with disposable income and love our
dad so we are more than happy totake care of him.
Not only financially, which my other sister is more than happy
to do as well. Even though her what she needs
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to use her money for is a lot deeper than us.
She has like to pay for people'slives and such and I, I have
lives to care for too. But it's not the same, certainly
not the same amount of cost. But we try to leave her out of
as much as possible when it comes to his health and the time
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and financial implications of it.
That's isn't that the beauty of having like multiple siblings
for we can absorb each other's ups and downs and lefts and
rights. And sometimes you can give 10%,
sometimes you can give 90%, sometimes you can give 70%.
Like it's as many people describe like marriages or
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whatever, being siblings that are in charge of your parents
aging and how they're taken careof and how they live out those
final decades of their lives. It is.
It's very similar. I know my sister, the one with
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the children would literally do back handspring into a vault,
undertook head toe mistletoe bubonic plague if we asked her
to. She would give every dollar if
she needed to for sure. But luckily she doesn't need to
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because she has three sisters who don't have children to take
care of, who have fabulous jobs and are more than happy to do
what they got to do. And also my sister who has the
babies, her father just passed away, her biological father.
Oh yes. So I've mentioned this before,
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but if you're new here, I am theyoungest of four girls.
The one that's closest to my ageis 10 years older than me.
That's the one with the babies and we are my mother's only
children. The oldest and the second to
oldest are my dad's only children and together we make
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foursome that can never be fucked with.
Her father has recently passed away.
Daniel, I don't know if I've said this before and I can say
this freely here because I know that my dad won't ever hear it,
but when we first moved to this country, my sister's father
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Daniel is the one who sponsored us coming here.
My mom tells this very funny story early cute story about how
I am the reason why we got the visa to come to America.
They had tried over and over again, and my mom had gotten her
visa approved to go to America without me.
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And I was only two at the time, so she was not trying to do
that. And we got an appointment with
some officer at the embassy, theUnited States Embassy in
Ethiopia at the time. And apparently I grabbed some
chocolate that I had stored awaysomewhere and I offered to him.
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And I was like, Sir, what if I give you this?
If I give you this chocolate, can we make it work?
I started speaking very young, alittle over one years old.
I was speaking like full of sentences.
That is weird. Is that creepy?
It sounds a little creepy. I just imagined A1 year old
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speaking sentences to me and that is a little unsettling, but
OK. So I offered him some chocolate
and I hopped up on his desk nanny style, like a real Fran
fine, and was like, hey, how do you feel about some chocolate?
What if we do a tradesy? I give you a chocolate, you give
me a visa. And he was like, you all right,
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you can take your child with youto the United States.
And it's funny because I've maybe I shouldn't talk about
this because these motherfuckersare talking about deporting
American citizens. I've been a citizen since I was
10 years old and I have never been in any legal trouble ever
in my life. Knock on wood.
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I can't imagine how I would get in any legal trouble as I don't
enjoy leaving my home. Allegedly, based on my mother's
point of view, my cute little song and dance worked and we
ended up getting the appropriatevisas that got us to the United
States. So whilst my dad is getting
physical therapy at this nursinghome, he's sharing this big room
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with a man and there's like a dividing curtain and he's on the
side with the door. So I have to walk past him every
time I walk into the room to seemy dad and he never has anyone
there with him. And I've heard that nurses and
Cnas try not to judge the children or like the loved ones
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of the patient because you neverknow what happened in their
life. And then you can also not judge
the patient too harshly for not having any visitors because you
never know what happened in life.
You really absolutely never know.
And also, I guess as a medical worker, I would imagine that all
of that has to be thrown away and not at all part of the
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calculus when it comes to treating a patient of any sort.
But that doesn't stop me, a lay person, from looking at him and
being a little sad thinking about how he sees my dad with
these young, busy women going out of their way to make sure to
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ask about every single thing that's happening with him.
Make sure he is quite literally never alone.
That he is never confused, neverfeels upset.
Like there is no universe in which my father will ever feel
like he has been abandoned or feels alone ever in life.
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I would rather burn the entire world down.
And my mom said this fucking crazy thing a couple weeks ago
where when I spent the night in his hospital room she showed up
out of nowhere. OK, I arrived to relieve my
sister and my sister left and I was with my dad for 30 minutes
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and I was just sitting there staring at him watching him
breathe. And she walks in and she was
like, I just can't believe you were here.
I can't believe you showed up. And I understand the context is
everything. And the context is are you a
flighty bitch? Do you not show up when your dad
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is struggling, when people are sick and hard?
That's not true. I show up.
OK, I have boundaries but I willalways show up in these
situations. My dad's sick, obviously I'll
show up and I have always showedup in his sickness even when my
mom has tried to exclude me fromit.
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The only times I haven't shown up is when my mom was like, I
think she sees me as the youngest and the baby.
I'm 34, mind you, it is what it is, but I think my sisters have
gotten a lot better in viewing me as like a normal person,
equal and not just like a baby they have to take care of.
Like when we all go out to dinner, I can also give you my
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credit card and it will work andwe can all just do this
together. It's taken a while for them to
accept, but I think we've got inthere and we take the
responsibility of our father very seriously.
He was a good dad. We're going to be good kids to
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him. We love him so much.
He's perfect, flawless, gorgeous.
Nothing in the past can be changed.
So I think that when you come tothis point with your parents,
where I must be involved in yourwell-being and making sure that
you have everything that you need.
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That you have to either choose to let go of the bullshit or the
resentment. And the whatever you have from
your childhood when they were responsible for you.
Or you have to let them go because the responsibility is
too great for you to do it with resentment.
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Because when I go and see my dad, I am seeing him with a
smile on my face. I would rather die than him see
a moment of resentment. Do you know how hard that man
worked to make sure I got everything I ever wanted ever in
life? Literally ever.
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He was born in on a coffee plantation.
Mind you, it was his father thatowned the coffee plantation.
But still getting to the United States to get to the point where
his daughter is here, living as a yuppie in Washington, DC with
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the great apartment, worrying about her two cats and a Yorkie.
Right. The amount of work that went
into making sure that I have this life is, it boggles my mind
because I know I don't have thatin me.
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Or maybe I do. I guess you never know until
you're tested. I am a petty.
Bitch. And I am very self.
What does it mean when you want to keep yourself preservation?
I have a great sense of self preservation.
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And I know how to avoid the landmines.
The older I get. When I was younger, girl, the
fact that I'm alive is insane. Insane.
I was just recounting a tale. It's like one of those stories
that you remember, like a certain tidbit that relates to
what the person was saying. You're like, Oh yeah, I won't I
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this before. And as you're telling the story,
you're like, wait, should I be telling this story?
Oh, no, Oh no. As the words are coming out of
your mouth. But here I'm going to do this on
camera. Recorded.
There was once this gentleman when I was I guess like 2222 or
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23 Max, as if that's like a young babe old enough to know
better. And he is all he was a bartender
and he and I worked together at some point.
He was bartending at this place that was close to where we had
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worked together before in the past.
And he invited me to hang out and have a drink.
And at that point in time, I wasincapable of just normally
drinking. I could not find my limit.
The limit doesn't exist. The limit doesn't exist.
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OK, I'm fucking Katie Herron. The limit was nowhere.
And I would get so uncomfortable, so fucking
stressed out all the time. And the only thing that would
allow me to escape was the alcohol.
But as I get older, I think, whynot just not go?
Why just not put yourself in these positions if you're unable
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to handle them and the only way that you can deal with them is
getting so fucked up that you can barely even remember what
happened? When I was in like my early 20s,
late teens maybe even, I was chasing a feeling that was
exhilarating and made me feel alive and made me feel like
there was more exciting things to be had in this world than
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what I was used to. And that married with the
discomfort of being who I was and where I was.
And to be honest, I had a prettylovely experience in terms of
how I was embraced in college. And I never really struggled
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socially, but I don't think I was aware of what that meant.
I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a part of
something that made me feel likeI belonged.
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And it's so funny thinking aboutit in that way, because I went
to these small private schools my entire life where that wasn't
really an issue. Like making the name for
yourself was easy given there were only twenty of us and I
was, I was the only Democrat. So obviously I shut out.
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And maybe I would say big fish, small pond, but I wouldn't.
There were plenty of other big fishes.
There are plenty of girls that were in my class and boys
actually, that are incredibly impressive, brilliant, love like
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very smart, remarkably intelligent young people.
The majority of them ended up being physicians.
And then we have our economists and political strategists.
It's so funny because the guy that I dated in high school,
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let's call him Ryan, a non biblical name that doesn't apply
to anyone I know. I don't think I know Orion.
I have never met Orion. Anyways, Ryan was the exact
opposite of me. He was an aggressive Republican,
very sporty gentleman. He had gone to RI school since
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he was a little babe, since he was in elementary school, was
one of those schools that went from kindergarten, maybe
preschool all the way up to 12thgrade.
And he started at the beginsies and we started out not liking
each other very much because I have been the same forever.
I've been a mouthy broad who wasvery outspoken about my
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political beliefs and that I wasa raging Democrat from the
Jumpsies. They actually had to make a rule
at my school after I started. A couple months into it that you
have to profess to be an evangelical Christian, you have
to at least go to the, a serviceat that church once a week.
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And I, I don't know if there, I don't think that there was
anything specifically mentioningpartisanship, but I, those two
things were very much directed at me because had those been a
requirement when I was signing up to go there, it wouldn't work
because what the heck are you talking about?
One of my best friends and in mychildhood, her name is Johanna.
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We used to do this thing called Chapel every single week where
we would go into the Chapel, oneof two, and someone would speak.
It could have been the pastor ofthe church, it could have been
pastor of another church or a pastor's wife, whatever.
We'd sit. There together and listen to
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whatever the fuck they have to say.
And we should be taking notes anyways.
Johanna and I obviously would sit next to each girl.
Should I be using your name? She is brilliant, lovely writer
for Vanity Fair, creative, stunning, gorgeous, hilarious,
perfect, all the things, the story I was telling.
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So we would be sitting in Chapel.
We have to take notes. We had to turn those notes into
our Bible class. So once a week we'd have Chapel
on Wednesdays, Monday, and Fridays.
Monday and Fridays I believe we would have a Bible class instead
of Chapel and we would have to give over our notes to our Bible
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teacher. How the fuck did I pass that
anyways? And I guess she would usually
RIP out the notes we were passing back and forth while we
were sitting in Chapel together pretending to pay attention to
whatever that bitch was saying. She usually ripped it out, but
she left it in. And mind you, this was her
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notebook. It said her name on it.
It was in her handwriting that matched up with every single
page in that notebook and in every other piece of writing
that was available to this man before calling us in.
And I said us correct because hecalled us both him upon.
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She accidentally handed it in. Our Bible teacher ended up
giving it to the headmaster. What the fuck was he called?
Whatever. He brought us both into his
office and was just like, what the fuck is this?
And I was like, what? And he pulled up the book and
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took it from him and I looked atit and I read it and I started
cracking the fuck up. I was like I dead dying Mr. Mr.
Fender. He knew.
The second I started laughing that he had made a grave mistake
and I asked, I said but why am Ihere?
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Because I don't know what the fuck did I have to lose At that
point I didn't do anything wrongand I was just curious and he
had nothing to say. Johanna eventually piped up and
she was just like I'm sorry. Oh, and what did it say in the
in the book? She called.
One of the pastors an asshole. One of the visiting Brother bar.
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Brother bar is a Dick. Brother Bar is an asshole.
Brother Barr something. It was good 'cause I remember
the cackle. I remember the cackle.
And like, I laughed the whole time.
It was such a fun fucking time. She got one or two demerits.
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She wasn't a problem child. Like, she's perfect little
Angel. Bad at science, but otherwise
fabulous at quite literally everything.
But I was like the little devil and they brought us in together
and I wasn't the one who did anything wrong, which should
have been obvious given all of the context clues.
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But what a good time. How did we get here?
How did we get here? Did you know that I have a song
for my cats? I have a.
Very. It's a very important song in my
household. You're a prisoner.
Prisoner. Oh yeah, prisoner prison like
you're locked up. I'm gonna need to look at this
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list if we're ever gonna finish.Oh, the reason why I brought up
my father in the 1st place. This man, he's doing much better
but as he is sick in the hospital can bear he's on a
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puree food diet, he can barely speak, he's weak as fuck.
Narient electrolyte to be found in the man, my mother.
So my mother asks me for some reason about Henry's whereabouts
for the weekend and I tell her oh, Henry's going to be with my
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ex. And I'm just now deciding that I
don't want to say my ex's name so let's call him Charles.
I told her that Henry would be with Charles and she seemed a
little perturbed. And which is very funny because
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she knows how temperamental I am.
So any feeling that she chooses to show to me is a risk that I
won't respond positively. And if you're gonna call me a
cruel, crazy bitch, you don't understand the context of our
relationship. She.
Is insane and I must keep her atBay in order to continue having
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a good relationship. Right, 'cause she has a lot of
opinions based on a lot of toxicshit, and I've had to have a lot
of therapy in order to remain a normal human in spite of that.
So any use? Well, I haven't told my parents.
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The. Details of our breakup and if
you're unfamiliar and or new here.
I got out of an 8 year relationship approximately a
year ago. Almost exactly a year ago
actually. I moved into this apt a year and
a month 13 months ago. I have not been in contact with
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him in any other capacity other than like our my dog.
Because. It is my dog, and he sees my dog
at his leisure. But I also know as the fact
after the fact that we got it solidified that you have no
jurisdiction here. And this is my creature and you
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will see him at my leisure. I am now comfortable saying, OK,
yeah, he's your dog too, becauseI don't.
I he's his dog. We got him together.
If you try to use this against me in a court of law, Charles.
I. Wish I wish you know what try me
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do it. Do it.
OK. Let's get into.
Some pop culture things. I'd like to start with the fact
that Blake Lively was just namedone of Time's top 100 most
influential people under the Titans category.
And I would like to remind everybody that we've heard the
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word Titan alongside Blake Lively before, and that was in
her text messages to Justin Baldoni when she referred to her
husband and I believe Taylor Swift.
Allegedly, it was redacted. But one can imagine because she
didn't describe the redacted person as singer, as Titans of
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their industry, and she wanted to be one of those as well.
I don't know. I got a little teehee from that.
I don't I understand what the point of her being on this list
is for her and all of these lists is just are it's a lot of
PR, just the sexiest man alive. Whoever's PR team does the best
job of rallying for them to get that position does.
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And a lot of people get asked and told no, I refuse the honor
and there are a lot of people who want it.
And anyways. Her.
Being on this list means something like.
What would she? Gain from being on this list
other than like just a simple accolade along the sides of all
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the other very empty ones that you receive when you're like a
mediocre famous actor. This.
One I would say is a little likea kind of a dangerous move, not
on Time's part, because I'll remind you that Adolf Hitler was
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Time's man of the year in 1930 something.
So they're just coming at it from a factual perspective, like
who was in people's brains, who was on everyone's minds.
I don't think it's like, oh, she's great.
In fact, the fact that she was put under Titans makes me feel
like they were being like, just like slightly shady.
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But we must discuss the fact that the person that wrote the
blurb that went alongside her naming as one of the Times 100
was Sherrilyn Ifill. And she is the former president
and director counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and
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Education Fund. She held that role between 2012
and 2022. And you're never going to hear
me speak. I'll of Sherrilyn Ifill.
You simply are not I. What she?
Says I think comes from the bestplace possible and I fully full
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stop 100% believe that people are capable of showing different
parts of their personalities to different people.
You can call it manipulation, and sometimes it fucking is, but
inherently I think that people often take account of who a
person is, what they can offer, and their level of power in your
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relationship. And who and how you present
yourself often depends on the answers to those questions.
To me, people who display those characteristics and that's how
they move around people shows that they're incredibly insecure
and calculated. And being calculating is not the
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same thing as being shrewd. Because being calculating means
that you are trying to trick people and you're making a plan
to get over on someone. But it doesn't necessarily mean
that those plans are smart and that you succeed and they're
well planned out or any of thosethings.
You can be stupid and sneaky, just a reminder.
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Having. A former president of the N
double ACP Legal Defense Fund. Write your blurb for your times.
100 placement is calculating forsure.
Absolutely it is. What did Cherylin write?
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Let me actually read that because I think that should be
important. OK?
This is what Sherrilyn Ifill said about Blake Lively in her
Times 100 piece. I don't know the Blake Lively of
the red carpet or the Met Gala. I've never watched Gossip Girl.
But the Blake Lively I know is aphilanthropist and a student of
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our country's most intractable problems.
She and her husband, Ryan Reynolds, reached out in 2019 to
make a contribution to the NAACPLegal Defense Fund.
I've been getting a few of thesecalls as our work fighting
against voter suppression and police brutality was receiving
national attention. I'm always curious about the
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kind of research famous people do before they make that cold
call to offer their support. The ones I have remained in
relationship with are those who,like Blake, really did their
homework. I admired immediately her
curiosity and her sincere work to understand the conditions
that shape this country. I remember an early conversation
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in which she expressed frustration that so much of our
nation's history was not a part of the instructions she had
received as a child. Her commitment to filling those
gaps and becoming the most fullyinformed and prepared citizen is
what I appreciate most about her.
Blake is a serious person. She has a risk, she's a risk
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taker, and she's committed to moving this country forward for
her children and for mine. Eiffel is a civil rights lawyer,
says in closing. So.
Like I said before, in the context of who Blake Lively is
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and who she needed Cheryl Ifill to be for her, in the context of
how they were introduced in 2019, which was because they
were Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively were apologizing for
their plantation wedding and they said the right things for
sure. It was a mistake.
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It was disgusting, it was a horror.
I thought it was just, we lookedat it as a Pinterest venue, but
it was really a Nightmare Upon Elm Street horror psycho
situation. Terrible.
People shouldn't be getting married there.
That was the moment where they first interacted and it was
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Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds trying to get on the right
footing with people who were taking aim at them for their
poor decisions in the past. And as time goes on, obviously
the context of the relationship with Sherrilyn Ifill is going to
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reflect that. The only context in which she
knows them are the people who reached out to her after the
fallout for their plantation wedding and handed her a big fat
check, right? They stayed in contact with each
other. And Cherilyn says that is
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different than other people she's interacted with, that
we're in the same situation. And I think that should hold
some weight because. I have no.
Reason for it not to hold weight.
She's done everything in her life to make sure that her words
mean something, and they do meansomething to me.
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That being set. Just.
Because Blake Lively is capable and Ryan Reynolds are capable of
presenting themselves to be decent when it comes to their
interactions with a person whoseendorsement is incredibly
important. Does that change the way I view
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them? No, not necessarily, because I
was one prior to this whole Baldoni situation who had.
Gone. Through that cycle of what the
fuck? They got married on a
plantation. Gross.
Not fucked with them. Heard their apologies, saw the
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actions that they took. Not only the donations.
Starting initiatives within Ryan's company to help
financially disadvantaged children have access to careers
within the entertainment industry that they otherwise
wouldn't be Privy to or have access to.
And they didn't seem to shy awayfrom acknowledging how horrific.
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That. Idea was to celebrate something
at a place that just representedterror and horror.
I did respect that because I didn't know much else about them
as people. I hadn't dug in deeper prior to
this, and I never really paid very much attention to Blake
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Lively, especially after Gossip Girl.
She really hadn't done anything particularly interesting in my
personal opinion. Do I believe that Sherilyn is
not up to date with the details of the case?
Sure. I don't.
I actually do not believe that she is.
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But do I think that she has bigger fish to fry?
Fuck you, the biggest. She's got some.
Whales to catch. There are other things to be
paying attention to other than Blake Lively's legal actions
against a potentially innocent man.
I just don't want anyone going at Sherrilyn Ifill for her
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writing this. I don't.
It is fully plausible that the only context in which she knows
Blake Lively is positive they met in the context of her
apologizing for something and wanting to be better.
That is a situation that can be looked at individually, stand
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alone, but how she has behaved on the set, if it ends with us
and her movements legally and publicly afterwards, can be
evaluated separately. And that's what I intend to do
and I will continue to do. And that has no reflection on
Cheryl Lynn Ifill's endorsement of Blake Lively.
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Truly. Next topic.
The. Valley hath premiered.
I want to start off by saying the first episode of the Valley
season 2 was incredible, but thefirst thing that needs to be
said is I don't trust Jax Taylorfor anything OK And everything I
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say from here on forth has to beseen through the lens of Jax.
I believe that Jax Taylor is incapable of telling the truth I
think he's incredibly insincere and I think that he's a
sociopath. I I'm not a licensed medical
professional and I cannot actually diagnose someone, full
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stop. But I can behave accordingly, as
if I feel as if someone should be diagnosed with something.
And that's how well I shall Percy to talk about Jax.
He's a sick man. He's a sick man.
He shouldn't be around us, nor me.
We're just trying to survive anywho's on.
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OK, when Jack said what guy wouldn't respond the same way I
did after I found out those textmessages, he's referring to the
text messages. From.
Britney's iPad, that was with Julian, I think that was the
man's name, where he flipped a table and hurt her and bruised
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her. And his thing was, yeah, I'm
sorry, I shouldn't have done. I shouldn't have done it.
But what man wouldn't have responded the same way?
Literally every man. Most men, all the men that I
know, the men that aren't in prison.
What do you mean? I don't think any of the men on
the show, even Jesse Lolly, I don't think he's bruising a
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bitch. So.
That's just all you You're evil.You're pure.
So this. Brings me to this next point
where I've decided to cut Britney some slack.
All right? If I was hurt, I would be so
fucking nervous that people weregoing to not have any time for
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me. They would say you knew what you
were fucking walking into, right?
Jax has been Jax forever. He has been a shit head since
the dawn of time and he's worn it on his sleeves.
No one was hiding the fucking ball.
And you know what? Valid criticism.
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Valid fucking criticism. Because if there's one thing
that's been consistent about Jax, it's his horror.
It's all of the bad things abouthim.
He might be evil. He lies compulsively, he cheats
frequently. He doesn't have much empathy or
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sympathy. He doesn't really comprehend or
value other people's emotions. He is a hedonistic psychotic
fuck that's just been so consistent for so long.
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He's a sociopath, he's cruel, his substance abuse, it's like
he's just like heinous behavior and she.
Has to. Know that is who he is because
she has absorbed the brunt of that shit for her whole entire
time with him. No one is more knowledgeable
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about the fact that Jax is a fucking psychopath and the worst
than Brittany Cartwright, right?She chose that, and that's what
we've judged her for so long. But guess what?
Now that she's divorcing him, that doesn't rid her of having
to deal with him. He's now a Barnacle stuck to her
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fucking side. He is a shackle upon her ankle,
dragging her to the bottom of the ocean.
He's the motherfucking punishment, his existence having
to deal with him no matter what.If God is good dealing with him
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for the next 14 years period, that's enough.
That's enough. I don't need to bring any more
pain onto her because what else am I gonna fucking?
We can't undo this anymore. We can't make any changes and I
I wouldn't, nor would she because guess what?
We have Kroosy and apparently having that baby makes all this
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crazy shit worthwhile. Slay to that I can't imagine,
but slay to that. But also, even though I can't
imagine, I also do understand because when I watched Britney
in her like horror situation with Jax, I never think oh God,
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rewind didn't undo it. And Oh my God if only never
might think oh at least you got Cruz.
At least you got crazy and there's no point in looking back
because here we have this perfect little thing.
That. Is a delight.
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I've been thinking about the ethics of having children a lot
lately, and not necessarily because I'm like, do I wanna
have kids or not? Because I do.
I know that I wanna have kids, and I know at the end of the
day, if I wanna have a kid, there's nothing that can stop me
from doing so. Even if it's just like adopting.
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I can certainly take care of a child's on my own, so it has
nothing to do with finding a partner.
But my question is like, how ethical is it to bring a person
into this world without their consent?
I know it sounds so fucking crazy, but that's just like at
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the root of my thought about procreating because I think that
having a child is one of the fewthings that you do for its
intrinsic value. Can you steward a life and.
Give. Them the circumstance and the
environment and the nurturing that they need to become like
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good conscientious people that will bring good into the world
and not darkness. But you don't know how your
child is going to turn out. You don't know what the fuck
they're going to inflict on the world.
And that's just like this tiny part of my fear.
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You also don't know what's goingto be inflicted upon them in
this world. And you're just kind of like
leaving them there to experiencewhatever.
And I know that's whole antinatalism.
There's this idea that those questions don't even start until
life exists and it's born. But no, if someone doesn't agree
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to be here and they don't agree to the terms of existing on this
planet, what is your argument? What do you say to them if a
child looks at you and says I didn't want to do this?
You. Literally brought me here to do
this thing that I didn't even ask to do, which is work and
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live and take care of myself andwhatever.
I don't want any of this stuff. What do you say to the kid?
I made this choice, so you have to do this.
It's. Such a.
Hard thing, because no matter what the idea is, you want to
get born. Being born is a gift, Is it?
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Staying alive is a fucking gift,and living a lovely life while
you're on this planet is a gift.But getting here is an arbitrary
choice often made by people who don't understand the gravity of
what they're introducing someoneto.
And you're only supposed to I. The way I see it is if you feel
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as though you can steward a life, care for them and nurture
who they are and direct them in a path that creates the most.
Like. Healthy, centered,
conscientious, contributing member of society who wants to
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produce more good and wants to produce no harm.
But that's inevitable. That's the thing.
And I think I can do that. No, I really think I could do
that. I think I could raise great
kids. And also I think that I
desperately want to have daughters.
OK. If I could have the exact same
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situation as when I was raised with minus like my the gap
between me and my sisters being so big, instead of 10 years,
maybe I'd make it like 5 or something.
But all girls is the dream. It's the fucking dream.
Thank God Zach got a haircut. That's all I gotta say about
that. Thank God for that phase.
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OK, I think the way that Jesse described his relationship with
his girlfriend. OK, so Jesse, I'm gonna agree
with Jesse once and leave it to where it lies.
And it's he described his relationship with his new
girlfriend as Michelle was someone who was really passive
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in their relationship and just let him do his thing and allowed
the resentment and anger to build up so much that when it
got to its breaking point, therewas no hope of getting it back
together. And allegedly, this new woman
that Jesse holds a mirror up to him immediately.
And it's just, oh, this is unacceptable.
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I'm out. If you don't fix this XYZ, who's
a very direct confrontational person and fair.
I think that's actually fucking fair.
I don't believe that there was any kind of misunderstanding in
the beginning of the relationship.
I am sure that Jesse presented himself as someone who would
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willingly wake up with their child in the night and look at
their partner and be like, Hey, are you would you like to sleep?
Like you haven't slept in nights?
Are you sure you don't want me to pick the I know you work too.
So like I might hop in there expecting that of your husband.
It's not having to tell your husband to do that.
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I understand how it could feel insulting, but that's just two
different personalities and how they handle the same conflict
and a Michelle's. It feels ridiculous having to
tell a man to take care of his child and that's reasonable.
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It's reasonable to look at a manwho is in the same house as a
child who has a need and have totell them what to do.
Since it's your first child as well and you've never.
I can't. The rage I would feel.
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What do you mean? And if they tried to act like
they were doing something special, some Christian Oh,
celebrate me 'cause I'm taking. I can't imagine.
I quite literally cannot imaginethe second I saw my partner
being congratulated for taking care of his own child is the
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day. I don't I.
Have nothing. I have no bargaining chips.
I have nothing. It's the day.
It's the day that I just sit there with my jaw agog on the
floor. OK?
Anyways, one thing I will say isthat I do not like the way that
Mia is like pressuring Danny or whoever.
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That voice actor little man withthe 2000s haircut about having
children. He seems like a nervous
breakdown really waiting to happen.
And I hear what she's saying about oh these children have
ruined my body and I just wanna get this all out of the way so I
can go get my BBL and live in motherfucking peace.
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Not BBL, but get my mommy makeover and live in peace.
I feel her. I fucking feel her.
Like I'm just not. I'm not gonna spread out having
kids over fucking 20 years, all right?
I wanna look tight and fit as a fiddle.
I wanna have all of my goodies at my disposal while the goodies
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are upright and tight. I get it.
First time I heard it, I was just like, calm the fuck down.
You've had 14 babies in two years already.
Just like you don't want to breathe.
And then I heard her, what she was explaining and I was like,
no, I feel ya. Because that has to do with
autonomy, right? You want your body to feel like
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your own. If you she wants a big family
and she wants to feel hot and what that looks like is 17
babies in a condo, then I can focus on my body and make a
bunch of money so that you're nolonger asking me about moving to
Encino. I don't know what the fuck he
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was talking about. Fresno, somewhere that she is
like looking at as it's giving Chino.
He's from like Chino. I don't know what that means.
I just know that Summer and Marissa weren't down.
Janet and. Kristen, Kristen and Janet
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annoying, both of them incredibly.
Christian's speech about just apologizing without any
qualifiers. That's all you need to do.
And Oh my God, if we get so better, why don't you try
apologizing for what you did with to Faith without a
qualifier, without being like itwas just a tip line.
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It was just a tip line. Maybe then.
I can take you somewhat seriously.
Other than that, go fuck yourself.
She's so fucking. Annoying.
I swear to God I feel the same like proportional annoyance at
Kristen as I do love for Stassi for the exact same situation and
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how one handled it. Like a tacky ass trashy
Charlotte Russe Birkenstock bitch versus Stassi who really
felt the terror and horror, the horror and terror of what she
inflicted, hid herself away for years, came back contrite as
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fuck. I respect that so much.
I want Kristen to have the best pregnancy, a healthy long life
for her baby, every baby she hasin the future because if she
wants more I hope she has as many as she would love and that
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she has the longest, healthiest,most perfect marriage with Luke
in and they get to have like multiple houses and moving live
in California and Colorado whatever.
But that doesn't change that I think she's like full of shit
and incapable of taking legitimate accountability for
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her fucking behavior. And so until she.
Stops. Saying I only called the tab
line. It was a tab line.
I didn't call the police. Every time that faith is
mentioned, then I'm gonna continue being a bitch to her.
Or about her. Actually just about her, yeah.
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And I will also say even though not a fan of Kristen, still also
not a huge fan of Janet and the fact that she with like her full
chest was like Kristen wants me to have a miscarriage
essentially. That shit is buck wild.
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That's crazy. And I don't know, there's
something about Jenna that feelslike she's been, she wanted this
for too long. She's been angling at this for a
while, it feels. And she?
Finally has gotten here and she's like playing the part that
she thinks that she should be playing.
And maybe this is because I knowthat she's been like very good
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friends with a bunch of Vanderpump people for a long
time. And maybe that is in the column
of her being right for this lifebecause obviously she's she
tracks these people, she's in this universe.
Why not? But there's something about her
that it just feels fake. Her interactions feel like I'm
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expecting them to go this where it just doesn't.
I don't know. She doesn't feel real to me.
And that's that on that. Like, I don't call me Garcelli
because that's just how I feel. Let's talk about Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills reunion part three.
I have virtually nothing to say about this other than what the
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fuck is Garcelle so upset about?What is that?
What the fuck happened? She got upset on the first
episode. She walked back to her like
trailer whatnot, lunch and she hung out with Garcelle of
Sutton. She said all that shit about
Erica and then everyone went back after lunch.
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They did episode 2. Nothing remotely interesting
happened in episode 2, certainlynothing had to do with Garcelle.
And then we got to Episode 3 andimmediately, oh, no, I'm not
taking any more questions. I am not taking any more
questions. I have no interest in speaking
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to you anymore, Andy. And every time Andy asked her a
question about why she was feeling so salty, she was like,
because of everything. She was like, what do you mean
by everything? She's like, no, I'm just like,
annoyed by it all. It's all bothering me and I
don't really feel like talking about it anymore.
But if you could really define it all, I'm a little confused
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and other people might be confused so can you just tell us
what do you mean by it all? But it's all just annoying and
I'm over it and no one has smiled at me.
What? No one smiled at you.
I better hear that something crazy happened on set that we
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were not Privy to that someone said some crazy ass shit to you
because these reunions are meantto be a shit show.
This is season 14 Boo. There's no room to act confused
about what might happen. And no one smiled at you?
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What do you mean no one smile? Who cares how are you?
Who on the other side of you would you want to smile at you?
And why does it matter so much? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Nothing happened that I don't think anything happened that was
so aggressive that she had to leave like that.
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Fully expected to see that something insane happened in
episode 3 to make Garcelle walk off like that, and certainly
not. Absolutely not.
I don't. I felt silly.
I felt overly dramatic. Quite.
Literally nothing happened. I don't get any grace.
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What the fuck do you mean? You literally just told Dorit
that you based on your gut in addition to what we all have in
public consumption, all of the details, all of P KS behavior
whatever that you believe that he set up her Robert the
robbery. That's a crazy thing to say to a
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person that, you know, the stakes are too high and to feel
like you've been left out to drybecause you verbalized those
feelings and maybe expected people to be like, yeah, it's
all. I also feel like it's weird.
No, who the fuck else is gonna jump on that bandwagon with you?
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That's insane. You don't have anything
concrete. You have what the fans of the
show have. You have what the public has,
and sure, that's enough for people on the Internet, fans of
the show, people who want to like, gossip about it, people
like me even. But I'm even, I haven't talked.
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I haven't said that because I feel like that's an insane thing
to allege without having any information.
But had I been like, oh, maybe this is really what happened and
PK set it up, I think that wouldhave been far more reasonable
for me to do then a woman who issupposed to be in Dorit's
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circle. Garcelle is in a different
position than any of us are. She's I've heard someone say,
oh, Garcelle acts as the audience in the circumstance.
She asks the question that the audience wants to know or.
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She just. She fills that role and I think
that's not a, that's not something that happens
naturally. You can't speak for the audience
and also want to be on the inside.
You. Listen, but you don't repeat.
I just, I really was waiting forsomething.
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That. Mattered to happen and
absolutely nothing did. That blew my mind and that is
all for today. Thank you so much for listening
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If you have any questions about anything you've heard on this
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I am your host, Saron. How do you diddly do?
I should really think about how I am diddly doing before I ask
that question because I never really.
I think I'm doing well. I think I'm doing well.
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I went to a work dinner. It started off as a work dinner
and we decided it was no longer a work dinner after a certain
amount of time. Anyways, everybody ended up
going to a different bar. I think they're at the Willard.
I don't know. I really wasn't paying
attention, but I ended up back here because I love this bitch.
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And by this bitch, I mean you. I actually look forward to
talking shit with you guys or talking shit at you guys every
week. I had a bunch of wine, I'm not
going to lie, before I got here.And while I'm not having dirty
martinis with my colleagues, I have continued the party with a
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glass of Pinot Grigio. Please go and gather your own.
The thing I love about podcast is I never know when you guys
are listening to this. It could be on your car ride to
work, from work. Then I definitely do not think
that you guys should go get a drink or like a Rodie or
whatever. No, But if you're at home and
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you can get a glass of wine and it won't negatively impact your
life and you don't have something else to do, a child to
tend to a paper, to write a memo, to send an e-mail to
attend to, then please grab a drink and let's hang out for an
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hour. So how am I doing?
My dad is in the hospital again.If you guys do not recall,
several weeks ago he got sick, he got COVID and that required
him to go to the hospital. They diagnosed him.
They gave him his antibiotics. They thought he was doing much
better. They sent him to a nursing home
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because I guess that's what theydo when you are older and you're
like a fall risk and you need tohave like nurses watching you
whilst you're getting better instead of just giving you the
medicine and assuming that you'll handle it on your
ANYWAYS. So he's been at a nursing home
and we have been watching him for the past two weeks.
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And when my dad is in the hospital or when my dad is in
physical therapy or rehab, he's never alone ever.
He has a roommate and there's like a dividing curtain and his
roommate is this older gentleman, of course, and I have
no idea what his ailment is. And I'm sure he's a lovely man,
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but he never has any guests there.
He never has anybody there to check on him.
And my dad, he couldn't get alone time if he wanted it.
He can't find the second for himself.
I'm sure if the man could mobilize and untether himself
from us, he would. But he's quite literally never
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alone. And his daughters have like busy
careers where travel is involved.
One of them is a surgeon. They're like my mom always
spends the night there and she'slike bright eyed and bushy
tailed and just seems not thrilled about it.
Like she doesn't obviously want to be there because being there
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means that there's something wrong with her husband, but
she's just thrilled every secondhe's breathing and every moment
of positivity he shows. Like any action, any
progression, she like lives for it.
It's her drug. So she's bright eyed and bushy
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tailed almost at all times. And then when she has to go to
work, then one of us, one of three of us, there are four of
us, 4 dedicated loving daughters, but there's only one
of us that has children. And we understand what having
children means is like, you haveto tend to them regardless.
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One of them's basically a littlebaby.
I guess she's like a toddler. But my sister's Helen, Judith
and I, we're Single Ladies with disposable income and love our
dad so we are more than happy totake care of him.
Not only financially, which my other sister is more than happy
to do as well. Even though her what she needs
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to use her money for is a lot deeper than us.
She has like to pay for people'slives and such and I, I have
lives to care for too. But it's not the same, certainly
not the same amount of cost. But we try to leave her out of
as much as possible when it comes to his health and the time
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and financial implications of it.
That's isn't that the beauty of having like multiple siblings
for we can absorb each other's ups and downs and lefts and
rights. And sometimes you can give 10%,
sometimes you can give 90%, sometimes you can give 70%.
Like it's as many people describe like marriages or
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whatever, being siblings that are in charge of your parents
aging and how they're taken careof and how they live out those
final decades of their lives. It is.
It's very similar. I know my sister, the one with
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the children would literally do back handspring into a vault,
undertook head toe mistletoe bubonic plague if we asked her
to. She would give every dollar if
she needed to for sure. But luckily she doesn't need to
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because she has three sisters who don't have children to take
care of, who have fabulous jobs and are more than happy to do
what they got to do. And also my sister who has the
babies, her father just passed away, her biological father.
Oh yes. So I've mentioned this before,
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but if you're new here, I am theyoungest of four girls.
The one that's closest to my ageis 10 years older than me.
That's the one with the babies and we are my mother's only
children. The oldest and the second to
oldest are my dad's only children and together we make
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foursome that can never be fucked with.
Her father has recently passed away.
Daniel, I don't know if I've said this before and I can say
this freely here because I know that my dad won't ever hear it,
but when we first moved to this country, my sister's father
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Daniel is the one who sponsored us coming here.
My mom tells this very funny story early cute story about how
I am the reason why we got the visa to come to America.
They had tried over and over again, and my mom had gotten her
visa approved to go to America without me.
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And I was only two at the time, so she was not trying to do
that. And we got an appointment with
some officer at the embassy, theUnited States Embassy in
Ethiopia at the time. And apparently I grabbed some
chocolate that I had stored awaysomewhere and I offered to him.
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And I was like, Sir, what if I give you this?
If I give you this chocolate, can we make it work?
I started speaking very young, alittle over one years old.
I was speaking like full of sentences.
That is weird. Is that creepy?
It sounds a little creepy. I just imagined A1 year old
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speaking sentences to me and that is a little unsettling, but
OK. So I offered him some chocolate
and I hopped up on his desk nanny style, like a real Fran
fine, and was like, hey, how do you feel about some chocolate?
What if we do a tradesy? I give you a chocolate, you give
me a visa. And he was like, you all right,
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you can take your child with youto the United States.
And it's funny because I've maybe I shouldn't talk about
this because these motherfuckersare talking about deporting
American citizens. I've been a citizen since I was
10 years old and I have never been in any legal trouble ever
in my life. Knock on wood.
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I can't imagine how I would get in any legal trouble as I don't
enjoy leaving my home. Allegedly, based on my mother's
point of view, my cute little song and dance worked and we
ended up getting the appropriatevisas that got us to the United
States. So whilst my dad is getting
physical therapy at this nursinghome, he's sharing this big room
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with a man and there's like a dividing curtain and he's on the
side with the door. So I have to walk past him every
time I walk into the room to seemy dad and he never has anyone
there with him. And I've heard that nurses and
Cnas try not to judge the children or like the loved ones
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of the patient because you neverknow what happened in their
life. And then you can also not judge
the patient too harshly for not having any visitors because you
never know what happened in life.
You really absolutely never know.
And also, I guess as a medical worker, I would imagine that all
of that has to be thrown away and not at all part of the
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calculus when it comes to treating a patient of any sort.
But that doesn't stop me, a lay person, from looking at him and
being a little sad thinking about how he sees my dad with
these young, busy women going out of their way to make sure to
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ask about every single thing that's happening with him.
Make sure he is quite literally never alone.
That he is never confused, neverfeels upset.
Like there is no universe in which my father will ever feel
like he has been abandoned or feels alone ever in life.
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I would rather burn the entire world down.
And my mom said this fucking crazy thing a couple weeks ago
where when I spent the night in his hospital room she showed up
out of nowhere. OK, I arrived to relieve my
sister and my sister left and I was with my dad for 30 minutes
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and I was just sitting there staring at him watching him
breathe. And she walks in and she was
like, I just can't believe you were here.
I can't believe you showed up. And I understand the context is
everything. And the context is are you a
flighty bitch? Do you not show up when your dad
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is struggling, when people are sick and hard?
That's not true. I show up.
OK, I have boundaries but I willalways show up in these
situations. My dad's sick, obviously I'll
show up and I have always showedup in his sickness even when my
mom has tried to exclude me fromit.
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The only times I haven't shown up is when my mom was like, I
think she sees me as the youngest and the baby.
I'm 34, mind you, it is what it is, but I think my sisters have
gotten a lot better in viewing me as like a normal person,
equal and not just like a baby they have to take care of.
Like when we all go out to dinner, I can also give you my
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credit card and it will work andwe can all just do this
together. It's taken a while for them to
accept, but I think we've got inthere and we take the
responsibility of our father very seriously.
He was a good dad. We're going to be good kids to
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him. We love him so much.
He's perfect, flawless, gorgeous.
Nothing in the past can be changed.
So I think that when you come tothis point with your parents,
where I must be involved in yourwell-being and making sure that
you have everything that you need.
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That you have to either choose to let go of the bullshit or the
resentment. And the whatever you have from
your childhood when they were responsible for you.
Or you have to let them go because the responsibility is
too great for you to do it with resentment.
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Because when I go and see my dad, I am seeing him with a
smile on my face. I would rather die than him see
a moment of resentment. Do you know how hard that man
worked to make sure I got everything I ever wanted ever in
life? Literally ever.
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He was born in on a coffee plantation.
Mind you, it was his father thatowned the coffee plantation.
But still getting to the United States to get to the point where
his daughter is here, living as a yuppie in Washington, DC with
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the great apartment, worrying about her two cats and a Yorkie.
Right. The amount of work that went
into making sure that I have this life is, it boggles my mind
because I know I don't have thatin me.
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Or maybe I do. I guess you never know until
you're tested. I am a petty.
Bitch. And I am very self.
What does it mean when you want to keep yourself preservation?
I have a great sense of self preservation.
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And I know how to avoid the landmines.
The older I get. When I was younger, girl, the
fact that I'm alive is insane. Insane.
I was just recounting a tale. It's like one of those stories
that you remember, like a certain tidbit that relates to
what the person was saying. You're like, Oh yeah, I won't I
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this before. And as you're telling the story,
you're like, wait, should I be telling this story?
Oh, no, Oh no. As the words are coming out of
your mouth. But here I'm going to do this on
camera. Recorded.
There was once this gentleman when I was I guess like 2222 or
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23 Max, as if that's like a young babe old enough to know
better. And he is all he was a bartender
and he and I worked together at some point.
He was bartending at this place that was close to where we had
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worked together before in the past.
And he invited me to hang out and have a drink.
And at that point in time, I wasincapable of just normally
drinking. I could not find my limit.
The limit doesn't exist. The limit doesn't exist.
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OK, I'm fucking Katie Herron. The limit was nowhere.
And I would get so uncomfortable, so fucking
stressed out all the time. And the only thing that would
allow me to escape was the alcohol.
But as I get older, I think, whynot just not go?
Why just not put yourself in these positions if you're unable
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to handle them and the only way that you can deal with them is
getting so fucked up that you can barely even remember what
happened? When I was in like my early 20s,
late teens maybe even, I was chasing a feeling that was
exhilarating and made me feel alive and made me feel like
there was more exciting things to be had in this world than
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what I was used to. And that married with the
discomfort of being who I was and where I was.
And to be honest, I had a prettylovely experience in terms of
how I was embraced in college. And I never really struggled
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socially, but I don't think I was aware of what that meant.
I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a part of
something that made me feel likeI belonged.
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And it's so funny thinking aboutit in that way, because I went
to these small private schools my entire life where that wasn't
really an issue. Like making the name for
yourself was easy given there were only twenty of us and I
was, I was the only Democrat. So obviously I shut out.
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And maybe I would say big fish, small pond, but I wouldn't.
There were plenty of other big fishes.
There are plenty of girls that were in my class and boys
actually, that are incredibly impressive, brilliant, love like
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very smart, remarkably intelligent young people.
The majority of them ended up being physicians.
And then we have our economists and political strategists.
It's so funny because the guy that I dated in high school,
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let's call him Ryan, a non biblical name that doesn't apply
to anyone I know. I don't think I know Orion.
I have never met Orion. Anyways, Ryan was the exact
opposite of me. He was an aggressive Republican,
very sporty gentleman. He had gone to RI school since
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he was a little babe, since he was in elementary school, was
one of those schools that went from kindergarten, maybe
preschool all the way up to 12thgrade.
And he started at the beginsies and we started out not liking
each other very much because I have been the same forever.
I've been a mouthy broad who wasvery outspoken about my
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political beliefs and that I wasa raging Democrat from the
Jumpsies. They actually had to make a rule
at my school after I started. A couple months into it that you
have to profess to be an evangelical Christian, you have
to at least go to the, a serviceat that church once a week.
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And I, I don't know if there, I don't think that there was
anything specifically mentioningpartisanship, but I, those two
things were very much directed at me because had those been a
requirement when I was signing up to go there, it wouldn't work
because what the heck are you talking about?
One of my best friends and in mychildhood, her name is Johanna.
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We used to do this thing called Chapel every single week where
we would go into the Chapel, oneof two, and someone would speak.
It could have been the pastor ofthe church, it could have been
pastor of another church or a pastor's wife, whatever.
We'd sit. There together and listen to
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whatever the fuck they have to say.
And we should be taking notes anyways.
Johanna and I obviously would sit next to each girl.
Should I be using your name? She is brilliant, lovely writer
for Vanity Fair, creative, stunning, gorgeous, hilarious,
perfect, all the things, the story I was telling.
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So we would be sitting in Chapel.
We have to take notes. We had to turn those notes into
our Bible class. So once a week we'd have Chapel
on Wednesdays, Monday, and Fridays.
Monday and Fridays I believe we would have a Bible class instead
of Chapel and we would have to give over our notes to our Bible
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teacher. How the fuck did I pass that
anyways? And I guess she would usually
RIP out the notes we were passing back and forth while we
were sitting in Chapel together pretending to pay attention to
whatever that bitch was saying. She usually ripped it out, but
she left it in. And mind you, this was her
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notebook. It said her name on it.
It was in her handwriting that matched up with every single
page in that notebook and in every other piece of writing
that was available to this man before calling us in.
And I said us correct because hecalled us both him upon.
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She accidentally handed it in. Our Bible teacher ended up
giving it to the headmaster. What the fuck was he called?
Whatever. He brought us both into his
office and was just like, what the fuck is this?
And I was like, what? And he pulled up the book and
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took it from him and I looked atit and I read it and I started
cracking the fuck up. I was like I dead dying Mr. Mr.
Fender. He knew.
The second I started laughing that he had made a grave mistake
and I asked, I said but why am Ihere?
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Because I don't know what the fuck did I have to lose At that
point I didn't do anything wrongand I was just curious and he
had nothing to say. Johanna eventually piped up and
she was just like I'm sorry. Oh, and what did it say in the
in the book? She called.
One of the pastors an asshole. One of the visiting Brother bar.
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Brother bar is a Dick. Brother Bar is an asshole.
Brother Barr something. It was good 'cause I remember
the cackle. I remember the cackle.
And like, I laughed the whole time.
It was such a fun fucking time. She got one or two demerits.
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She wasn't a problem child. Like, she's perfect little
Angel. Bad at science, but otherwise
fabulous at quite literally everything.
But I was like the little devil and they brought us in together
and I wasn't the one who did anything wrong, which should
have been obvious given all of the context clues.
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But what a good time. How did we get here?
How did we get here? Did you know that I have a song
for my cats? I have a.
Very. It's a very important song in my
household. You're a prisoner.
Prisoner. Oh yeah, prisoner prison like
you're locked up. I'm gonna need to look at this
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list if we're ever gonna finish.Oh, the reason why I brought up
my father in the 1st place. This man, he's doing much better
but as he is sick in the hospital can bear he's on a
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puree food diet, he can barely speak, he's weak as fuck.
Narient electrolyte to be found in the man, my mother.
So my mother asks me for some reason about Henry's whereabouts
for the weekend and I tell her oh, Henry's going to be with my
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ex. And I'm just now deciding that I
don't want to say my ex's name so let's call him Charles.
I told her that Henry would be with Charles and she seemed a
little perturbed. And which is very funny because
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she knows how temperamental I am.
So any feeling that she chooses to show to me is a risk that I
won't respond positively. And if you're gonna call me a
cruel, crazy bitch, you don't understand the context of our
relationship. She.
Is insane and I must keep her atBay in order to continue having
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a good relationship. Right, 'cause she has a lot of
opinions based on a lot of toxicshit, and I've had to have a lot
of therapy in order to remain a normal human in spite of that.
So any use? Well, I haven't told my parents.
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The. Details of our breakup and if
you're unfamiliar and or new here.
I got out of an 8 year relationship approximately a
year ago. Almost exactly a year ago
actually. I moved into this apt a year and
a month 13 months ago. I have not been in contact with
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him in any other capacity other than like our my dog.
Because. It is my dog, and he sees my dog
at his leisure. But I also know as the fact
after the fact that we got it solidified that you have no
jurisdiction here. And this is my creature and you
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will see him at my leisure. I am now comfortable saying, OK,
yeah, he's your dog too, becauseI don't.
I he's his dog. We got him together.
If you try to use this against me in a court of law, Charles.
I. Wish I wish you know what try me
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do it. Do it.
OK. Let's get into.
Some pop culture things. I'd like to start with the fact
that Blake Lively was just namedone of Time's top 100 most
influential people under the Titans category.
And I would like to remind everybody that we've heard the
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word Titan alongside Blake Lively before, and that was in
her text messages to Justin Baldoni when she referred to her
husband and I believe Taylor Swift.
Allegedly, it was redacted. But one can imagine because she
didn't describe the redacted person as singer, as Titans of
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their industry, and she wanted to be one of those as well.
I don't know. I got a little teehee from that.
I don't I understand what the point of her being on this list
is for her and all of these lists is just are it's a lot of
PR, just the sexiest man alive. Whoever's PR team does the best
job of rallying for them to get that position does.
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And a lot of people get asked and told no, I refuse the honor
and there are a lot of people who want it.
And anyways. Her.
Being on this list means something like.
What would she? Gain from being on this list
other than like just a simple accolade along the sides of all
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the other very empty ones that you receive when you're like a
mediocre famous actor. This.
One I would say is a little likea kind of a dangerous move, not
on Time's part, because I'll remind you that Adolf Hitler was
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Time's man of the year in 1930 something.
So they're just coming at it from a factual perspective, like
who was in people's brains, who was on everyone's minds.
I don't think it's like, oh, she's great.
In fact, the fact that she was put under Titans makes me feel
like they were being like, just like slightly shady.
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But we must discuss the fact that the person that wrote the
blurb that went alongside her naming as one of the Times 100
was Sherrilyn Ifill. And she is the former president
and director counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and
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Education Fund. She held that role between 2012
and 2022. And you're never going to hear
me speak. I'll of Sherrilyn Ifill.
You simply are not I. What she?
Says I think comes from the bestplace possible and I fully full
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stop 100% believe that people are capable of showing different
parts of their personalities to different people.
You can call it manipulation, and sometimes it fucking is, but
inherently I think that people often take account of who a
person is, what they can offer, and their level of power in your
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relationship. And who and how you present
yourself often depends on the answers to those questions.
To me, people who display those characteristics and that's how
they move around people shows that they're incredibly insecure
and calculated. And being calculating is not the
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same thing as being shrewd. Because being calculating means
that you are trying to trick people and you're making a plan
to get over on someone. But it doesn't necessarily mean
that those plans are smart and that you succeed and they're
well planned out or any of thosethings.
You can be stupid and sneaky, just a reminder.
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Having. A former president of the N
double ACP Legal Defense Fund. Write your blurb for your times.
100 placement is calculating forsure.
Absolutely it is. What did Cherylin write?
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Let me actually read that because I think that should be
important. OK?
This is what Sherrilyn Ifill said about Blake Lively in her
Times 100 piece. I don't know the Blake Lively of
the red carpet or the Met Gala. I've never watched Gossip Girl.
But the Blake Lively I know is aphilanthropist and a student of
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our country's most intractable problems.
She and her husband, Ryan Reynolds, reached out in 2019 to
make a contribution to the NAACPLegal Defense Fund.
I've been getting a few of thesecalls as our work fighting
against voter suppression and police brutality was receiving
national attention. I'm always curious about the
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kind of research famous people do before they make that cold
call to offer their support. The ones I have remained in
relationship with are those who,like Blake, really did their
homework. I admired immediately her
curiosity and her sincere work to understand the conditions
that shape this country. I remember an early conversation
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in which she expressed frustration that so much of our
nation's history was not a part of the instructions she had
received as a child. Her commitment to filling those
gaps and becoming the most fullyinformed and prepared citizen is
what I appreciate most about her.
Blake is a serious person. She has a risk, she's a risk
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taker, and she's committed to moving this country forward for
her children and for mine. Eiffel is a civil rights lawyer,
says in closing. So.
Like I said before, in the context of who Blake Lively is
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and who she needed Cheryl Ifill to be for her, in the context of
how they were introduced in 2019, which was because they
were Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively were apologizing for
their plantation wedding and they said the right things for
sure. It was a mistake.
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It was disgusting, it was a horror.
I thought it was just, we lookedat it as a Pinterest venue, but
it was really a Nightmare Upon Elm Street horror psycho
situation. Terrible.
People shouldn't be getting married there.
That was the moment where they first interacted and it was
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Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds trying to get on the right
footing with people who were taking aim at them for their
poor decisions in the past. And as time goes on, obviously
the context of the relationship with Sherrilyn Ifill is going to
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reflect that. The only context in which she
knows them are the people who reached out to her after the
fallout for their plantation wedding and handed her a big fat
check, right? They stayed in contact with each
other. And Cherilyn says that is
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different than other people she's interacted with, that
we're in the same situation. And I think that should hold
some weight because. I have no.
Reason for it not to hold weight.
She's done everything in her life to make sure that her words
mean something, and they do meansomething to me.
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That being set. Just.
Because Blake Lively is capable and Ryan Reynolds are capable of
presenting themselves to be decent when it comes to their
interactions with a person whoseendorsement is incredibly
important. Does that change the way I view
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them? No, not necessarily, because I
was one prior to this whole Baldoni situation who had.
Gone. Through that cycle of what the
fuck? They got married on a
plantation. Gross.
Not fucked with them. Heard their apologies, saw the
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actions that they took. Not only the donations.
Starting initiatives within Ryan's company to help
financially disadvantaged children have access to careers
within the entertainment industry that they otherwise
wouldn't be Privy to or have access to.
And they didn't seem to shy awayfrom acknowledging how horrific.
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That. Idea was to celebrate something
at a place that just representedterror and horror.
I did respect that because I didn't know much else about them
as people. I hadn't dug in deeper prior to
this, and I never really paid very much attention to Blake
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Lively, especially after Gossip Girl.
She really hadn't done anything particularly interesting in my
personal opinion. Do I believe that Sherilyn is
not up to date with the details of the case?
Sure. I don't.
I actually do not believe that she is.
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But do I think that she has bigger fish to fry?
Fuck you, the biggest. She's got some.
Whales to catch. There are other things to be
paying attention to other than Blake Lively's legal actions
against a potentially innocent man.
I just don't want anyone going at Sherrilyn Ifill for her
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writing this. I don't.
It is fully plausible that the only context in which she knows
Blake Lively is positive they met in the context of her
apologizing for something and wanting to be better.
That is a situation that can be looked at individually, stand
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alone, but how she has behaved on the set, if it ends with us
and her movements legally and publicly afterwards, can be
evaluated separately. And that's what I intend to do
and I will continue to do. And that has no reflection on
Cheryl Lynn Ifill's endorsement of Blake Lively.
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Truly. Next topic.
The. Valley hath premiered.
I want to start off by saying the first episode of the Valley
season 2 was incredible, but thefirst thing that needs to be
said is I don't trust Jax Taylorfor anything OK And everything I
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say from here on forth has to beseen through the lens of Jax.
I believe that Jax Taylor is incapable of telling the truth I
think he's incredibly insincere and I think that he's a
sociopath. I I'm not a licensed medical
professional and I cannot actually diagnose someone, full
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stop. But I can behave accordingly, as
if I feel as if someone should be diagnosed with something.
And that's how well I shall Percy to talk about Jax.
He's a sick man. He's a sick man.
He shouldn't be around us, nor me.
We're just trying to survive anywho's on.
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OK, when Jack said what guy wouldn't respond the same way I
did after I found out those textmessages, he's referring to the
text messages. From.
Britney's iPad, that was with Julian, I think that was the
man's name, where he flipped a table and hurt her and bruised
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her. And his thing was, yeah, I'm
sorry, I shouldn't have done. I shouldn't have done it.
But what man wouldn't have responded the same way?
Literally every man. Most men, all the men that I
know, the men that aren't in prison.
What do you mean? I don't think any of the men on
the show, even Jesse Lolly, I don't think he's bruising a
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bitch. So.
That's just all you You're evil.You're pure.
So this. Brings me to this next point
where I've decided to cut Britney some slack.
All right? If I was hurt, I would be so
fucking nervous that people weregoing to not have any time for
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me. They would say you knew what you
were fucking walking into, right?
Jax has been Jax forever. He has been a shit head since
the dawn of time and he's worn it on his sleeves.
No one was hiding the fucking ball.
And you know what? Valid criticism.
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Valid fucking criticism. Because if there's one thing
that's been consistent about Jax, it's his horror.
It's all of the bad things abouthim.
He might be evil. He lies compulsively, he cheats
frequently. He doesn't have much empathy or
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sympathy. He doesn't really comprehend or
value other people's emotions. He is a hedonistic psychotic
fuck that's just been so consistent for so long.
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He's a sociopath, he's cruel, his substance abuse, it's like
he's just like heinous behavior and she.
Has to. Know that is who he is because
she has absorbed the brunt of that shit for her whole entire
time with him. No one is more knowledgeable
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about the fact that Jax is a fucking psychopath and the worst
than Brittany Cartwright, right?She chose that, and that's what
we've judged her for so long. But guess what?
Now that she's divorcing him, that doesn't rid her of having
to deal with him. He's now a Barnacle stuck to her
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fucking side. He is a shackle upon her ankle,
dragging her to the bottom of the ocean.
He's the motherfucking punishment, his existence having
to deal with him no matter what.If God is good dealing with him
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for the next 14 years period, that's enough.
That's enough. I don't need to bring any more
pain onto her because what else am I gonna fucking?
We can't undo this anymore. We can't make any changes and I
I wouldn't, nor would she because guess what?
We have Kroosy and apparently having that baby makes all this
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crazy shit worthwhile. Slay to that I can't imagine,
but slay to that. But also, even though I can't
imagine, I also do understand because when I watched Britney
in her like horror situation with Jax, I never think oh God,
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rewind didn't undo it. And Oh my God if only never
might think oh at least you got Cruz.
At least you got crazy and there's no point in looking back
because here we have this perfect little thing.
That. Is a delight.
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I've been thinking about the ethics of having children a lot
lately, and not necessarily because I'm like, do I wanna
have kids or not? Because I do.
I know that I wanna have kids, and I know at the end of the
day, if I wanna have a kid, there's nothing that can stop me
from doing so. Even if it's just like adopting.
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I can certainly take care of a child's on my own, so it has
nothing to do with finding a partner.
But my question is like, how ethical is it to bring a person
into this world without their consent?
I know it sounds so fucking crazy, but that's just like at
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the root of my thought about procreating because I think that
having a child is one of the fewthings that you do for its
intrinsic value. Can you steward a life and.
Give. Them the circumstance and the
environment and the nurturing that they need to become like
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good conscientious people that will bring good into the world
and not darkness. But you don't know how your
child is going to turn out. You don't know what the fuck
they're going to inflict on the world.
And that's just like this tiny part of my fear.
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You also don't know what's goingto be inflicted upon them in
this world. And you're just kind of like
leaving them there to experiencewhatever.
And I know that's whole antinatalism.
There's this idea that those questions don't even start until
life exists and it's born. But no, if someone doesn't agree
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to be here and they don't agree to the terms of existing on this
planet, what is your argument? What do you say to them if a
child looks at you and says I didn't want to do this?
You. Literally brought me here to do
this thing that I didn't even ask to do, which is work and
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live and take care of myself andwhatever.
I don't want any of this stuff. What do you say to the kid?
I made this choice, so you have to do this.
It's. Such a.
Hard thing, because no matter what the idea is, you want to
get born. Being born is a gift, Is it?
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Staying alive is a fucking gift,and living a lovely life while
you're on this planet is a gift.But getting here is an arbitrary
choice often made by people who don't understand the gravity of
what they're introducing someoneto.
And you're only supposed to I. The way I see it is if you feel
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as though you can steward a life, care for them and nurture
who they are and direct them in a path that creates the most.
Like. Healthy, centered,
conscientious, contributing member of society who wants to
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produce more good and wants to produce no harm.
But that's inevitable. That's the thing.
And I think I can do that. No, I really think I could do
that. I think I could raise great
kids. And also I think that I
desperately want to have daughters.
OK. If I could have the exact same
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situation as when I was raised with minus like my the gap
between me and my sisters being so big, instead of 10 years,
maybe I'd make it like 5 or something.
But all girls is the dream. It's the fucking dream.
Thank God Zach got a haircut. That's all I gotta say about
that. Thank God for that phase.
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OK, I think the way that Jesse described his relationship with
his girlfriend. OK, so Jesse, I'm gonna agree
with Jesse once and leave it to where it lies.
And it's he described his relationship with his new
girlfriend as Michelle was someone who was really passive
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in their relationship and just let him do his thing and allowed
the resentment and anger to build up so much that when it
got to its breaking point, therewas no hope of getting it back
together. And allegedly, this new woman
that Jesse holds a mirror up to him immediately.
And it's just, oh, this is unacceptable.
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I'm out. If you don't fix this XYZ, who's
a very direct confrontational person and fair.
I think that's actually fucking fair.
I don't believe that there was any kind of misunderstanding in
the beginning of the relationship.
I am sure that Jesse presented himself as someone who would
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willingly wake up with their child in the night and look at
their partner and be like, Hey, are you would you like to sleep?
Like you haven't slept in nights?
Are you sure you don't want me to pick the I know you work too.
So like I might hop in there expecting that of your husband.
It's not having to tell your husband to do that.
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I understand how it could feel insulting, but that's just two
different personalities and how they handle the same conflict
and a Michelle's. It feels ridiculous having to
tell a man to take care of his child and that's reasonable.
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It's reasonable to look at a manwho is in the same house as a
child who has a need and have totell them what to do.
Since it's your first child as well and you've never.
I can't. The rage I would feel.
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What do you mean? And if they tried to act like
they were doing something special, some Christian Oh,
celebrate me 'cause I'm taking. I can't imagine.
I quite literally cannot imaginethe second I saw my partner
being congratulated for taking care of his own child is the
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day. I don't I.
Have nothing. I have no bargaining chips.
I have nothing. It's the day.
It's the day that I just sit there with my jaw agog on the
floor. OK?
Anyways, one thing I will say isthat I do not like the way that
Mia is like pressuring Danny or whoever.
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That voice actor little man withthe 2000s haircut about having
children. He seems like a nervous
breakdown really waiting to happen.
And I hear what she's saying about oh these children have
ruined my body and I just wanna get this all out of the way so I
can go get my BBL and live in motherfucking peace.
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Not BBL, but get my mommy makeover and live in peace.
I feel her. I fucking feel her.
Like I'm just not. I'm not gonna spread out having
kids over fucking 20 years, all right?
I wanna look tight and fit as a fiddle.
I wanna have all of my goodies at my disposal while the goodies
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are upright and tight. I get it.
First time I heard it, I was just like, calm the fuck down.
You've had 14 babies in two years already.
Just like you don't want to breathe.
And then I heard her, what she was explaining and I was like,
no, I feel ya. Because that has to do with
autonomy, right? You want your body to feel like
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your own. If you she wants a big family
and she wants to feel hot and what that looks like is 17
babies in a condo, then I can focus on my body and make a
bunch of money so that you're nolonger asking me about moving to
Encino. I don't know what the fuck he
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was talking about. Fresno, somewhere that she is
like looking at as it's giving Chino.
He's from like Chino. I don't know what that means.
I just know that Summer and Marissa weren't down.
Janet and. Kristen, Kristen and Janet
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annoying, both of them incredibly.
Christian's speech about just apologizing without any
qualifiers. That's all you need to do.
And Oh my God, if we get so better, why don't you try
apologizing for what you did with to Faith without a
qualifier, without being like itwas just a tip line.
(54:27):
It was just a tip line. Maybe then.
I can take you somewhat seriously.
Other than that, go fuck yourself.
She's so fucking. Annoying.
I swear to God I feel the same like proportional annoyance at
Kristen as I do love for Stassi for the exact same situation and
(54:50):
how one handled it. Like a tacky ass trashy
Charlotte Russe Birkenstock bitch versus Stassi who really
felt the terror and horror, the horror and terror of what she
inflicted, hid herself away for years, came back contrite as
(55:18):
fuck. I respect that so much.
I want Kristen to have the best pregnancy, a healthy long life
for her baby, every baby she hasin the future because if she
wants more I hope she has as many as she would love and that
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she has the longest, healthiest,most perfect marriage with Luke
in and they get to have like multiple houses and moving live
in California and Colorado whatever.
But that doesn't change that I think she's like full of shit
and incapable of taking legitimate accountability for
(56:01):
her fucking behavior. And so until she.
Stops. Saying I only called the tab
line. It was a tab line.
I didn't call the police. Every time that faith is
mentioned, then I'm gonna continue being a bitch to her.
Or about her. Actually just about her, yeah.
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And I will also say even though not a fan of Kristen, still also
not a huge fan of Janet and the fact that she with like her full
chest was like Kristen wants me to have a miscarriage
essentially. That shit is buck wild.
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That's crazy. And I don't know, there's
something about Jenna that feelslike she's been, she wanted this
for too long. She's been angling at this for a
while, it feels. And she?
Finally has gotten here and she's like playing the part that
she thinks that she should be playing.
And maybe this is because I knowthat she's been like very good
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friends with a bunch of Vanderpump people for a long
time. And maybe that is in the column
of her being right for this lifebecause obviously she's she
tracks these people, she's in this universe.
Why not? But there's something about her
that it just feels fake. Her interactions feel like I'm
(57:34):
expecting them to go this where it just doesn't.
I don't know. She doesn't feel real to me.
And that's that on that. Like, I don't call me Garcelli
because that's just how I feel. Let's talk about Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills reunion part three.
I have virtually nothing to say about this other than what the
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fuck is Garcelle so upset about?What is that?
What the fuck happened? She got upset on the first
episode. She walked back to her like
trailer whatnot, lunch and she hung out with Garcelle of
Sutton. She said all that shit about
Erica and then everyone went back after lunch.
(58:19):
They did episode 2. Nothing remotely interesting
happened in episode 2, certainlynothing had to do with Garcelle.
And then we got to Episode 3 andimmediately, oh, no, I'm not
taking any more questions. I am not taking any more
questions. I have no interest in speaking
(58:39):
to you anymore, Andy. And every time Andy asked her a
question about why she was feeling so salty, she was like,
because of everything. She was like, what do you mean
by everything? She's like, no, I'm just like,
annoyed by it all. It's all bothering me and I
don't really feel like talking about it anymore.
But if you could really define it all, I'm a little confused
(59:03):
and other people might be confused so can you just tell us
what do you mean by it all? But it's all just annoying and
I'm over it and no one has smiled at me.
What? No one smiled at you.
I better hear that something crazy happened on set that we
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were not Privy to that someone said some crazy ass shit to you
because these reunions are meantto be a shit show.
This is season 14 Boo. There's no room to act confused
about what might happen. And no one smiled at you?
(59:46):
What do you mean no one smile? Who cares how are you?
Who on the other side of you would you want to smile at you?
And why does it matter so much? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Nothing happened that I don't think anything happened that was
so aggressive that she had to leave like that.
(01:00:08):
Fully expected to see that something insane happened in
episode 3 to make Garcelle walk off like that, and certainly
not. Absolutely not.
I don't. I felt silly.
I felt overly dramatic. Quite.
Literally nothing happened. I don't get any grace.
(01:00:33):
What the fuck do you mean? You literally just told Dorit
that you based on your gut in addition to what we all have in
public consumption, all of the details, all of P KS behavior
whatever that you believe that he set up her Robert the
robbery. That's a crazy thing to say to a
(01:00:56):
person that, you know, the stakes are too high and to feel
like you've been left out to drybecause you verbalized those
feelings and maybe expected people to be like, yeah, it's
all. I also feel like it's weird.
No, who the fuck else is gonna jump on that bandwagon with you?
(01:01:18):
That's insane. You don't have anything
concrete. You have what the fans of the
show have. You have what the public has,
and sure, that's enough for people on the Internet, fans of
the show, people who want to like, gossip about it, people
like me even. But I'm even, I haven't talked.
(01:01:41):
I haven't said that because I feel like that's an insane thing
to allege without having any information.
But had I been like, oh, maybe this is really what happened and
PK set it up, I think that wouldhave been far more reasonable
for me to do then a woman who issupposed to be in Dorit's
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circle. Garcelle is in a different
position than any of us are. She's I've heard someone say,
oh, Garcelle acts as the audience in the circumstance.
She asks the question that the audience wants to know or.
(01:02:22):
She just. She fills that role and I think
that's not a, that's not something that happens
naturally. You can't speak for the audience
and also want to be on the inside.
You. Listen, but you don't repeat.
I just, I really was waiting forsomething.
(01:02:47):
That. Mattered to happen and
absolutely nothing did. That blew my mind and that is
all for today. Thank you so much for listening
to the Surround Things podcast. I will chat with you next week.
If you have any questions about anything you've heard on this
podcast or just wanna say hello,please feel free to message me.
(01:03:11):
DM me on Instagram or TikTok under Surround Things.
Have a fabulous week and I'll talk to you soon.
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