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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Michelle Swinneck, and I'm the host of the Save
My Freedom podcast and movement, and I'm personally inviting you
to come join us to transform your own live.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Save My.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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relationships and human connection. We're on a mission to help
one hundred thousand everyday Americans make more money, improve their health,
and take back control of their income, time, and future
using real products, proven systems, and a team supports them
every step of the way. So come join us today.

(00:30):
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of this movement. Are you ready to make more money,
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Be a part of a community that is going to
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(00:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
One day later, we're learning critical information. A number of
rally attendees say they noticed the gunman before shots were fired.
That includes Michael Defrisia and his wife Amber. They join
us now, Thank you so much. Now, Michael, I understand
both of you were outside the secure perimeter and you
saw the suspect. What made you suspicious?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I have witnessed the guy going up the roof, and
we did not immediately think that it was somebody with
a gun. I just thought it was somebody trying to
get a better vantage point.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
This was Nora O'Donnell, CBS Evening News. The Chiron says
breaking news. Man who took video of gunman describes rally shooting.
This witness, Mike Difrisia and his wife Amber, are the
most important witnesses in this case because they provided video
footage to TMZ that went around the world that showed

(02:03):
the shooter in the prone position allegedly firing into the crowd.
Eight days ago, we broke a story that his statements
were inconsistent and that if his statements were inconsistent, his
evidence cannot be trusted and his suspect. And two days ago,
FBI Director Chris Ray confirmed our reporting by telling the
world they do not have a witness who saw the

(02:25):
shooter climb.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Up the roof.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Ray, did he have a backpack going up the roof? Well,
there's nobody is. We haven't found anybody yet. Who's who
saw him climbing up the roof. The reason we the
reason why I've talked about how we think he got
on the roof is that's based on forensic our evidence
response and forensic analysis, the work, you know now getting
into all the details footprints and things like that that

(02:47):
we can you know, fingerprints, etcetera, that we can see
how we got on. But we don't have an eyewitness
at the moment who saw him climbing up.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
They came to the political rally at the last minute
and watched Crooks climb up the building.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And as soon as I turned around, I could see
this guy shimmying up the building. I did not realize
he had had a gun at that point. I thought,
this is somebody watching the rally. They're gonna go get
the best seat in the house.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
But we don't have an eyewitness at the moment who
saw him climbing up.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Here. It says Amber noticed the dude climbing up onto
a nearby building. There Either the FBI doesn't believe them
or does it know about them. Either way, we have
a problem.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
The Secret Service is facing question about how the gunman
was able to get on that roof.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
About one hundred and.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Thirty yards from where former President Trump was standing.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Every news agency in the world put that shooter right
where the CNN stooge just pointed on the left side
edge of the building.

Speaker 9 (03:51):
Investigators tonight trying to determine whether roof access had been
properly locked down. The shooter climbing seemingly unimpeded about four
hundred feet from the stage, with a direct line of
sight on the former president, but.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Not from the other side of the building. You see,
you got to go right over the bleachers. That's not
a clear shot. And it also doesn't take into account
the screen which is right in front of that bleacher.
He's got to shoot through all of that crap. So
they sold you this angle, this shooting angle. This is
a fake shooting angle. The clear line of sight here
doesn't exist from the other side of the building. But
they had to match it to this image. They had

(04:24):
to match it up. But this is the real position
of the body. So we had CNNABC. Now we have
Fox News getting it wrong as well, which they know
changes the shot angle, the ballistics shot angle, and it
changes it drastically, folks, because now he has to deal

(04:47):
with the bleachers.

Speaker 9 (04:48):
About four hundred feet from the stage with a direct
line of sight on the former president.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
But this angle changes the line of sight. Here's the
old angle from the left edge of the building has
a line of sight, but now when the angle moves,
it has to go through the bleachers. Thing you could
see the arrow. Here's another angle. The orange is the
old angle. The purple would be the new one going
through the bleachers. It was the viral reaction to this

(05:25):
post fake lamp which forced the media to change the
position of the body. We forced them to do that.
You can see here The New York Times has the
gunman now in the right spot right there, and the
Today Show just changed their position of the shooter. And
they're in damaged control mode folks, because they're busted here.

(05:45):
Can't let them get away with this. This is real news.
This is breaking news.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Our country. Probably twenty million pay.

Speaker 7 (06:59):
I get on that.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
It was a little bit old that you you had a.

Speaker 10 (07:02):
Couple of months old, and you can would want to
really see something that said.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Take a look what happened?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
What you think? Right?

Speaker 11 (07:11):
Really?

Speaker 12 (08:10):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom bom bom bom

(08:31):
bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom.

Speaker 13 (09:09):
Okay, you get it like you mean?

Speaker 5 (10:00):
I say.

Speaker 14 (10:12):
Next this time that after that's when I lost.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I watched the guard.

Speaker 11 (10:26):
I thought that.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I'm always stayed.

Speaker 11 (10:57):
You know how much it was for between the time
that the photograph was relayed to the Secret Service and
the time when the officer was trying to hoist himself.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Onto the roof. So that's a critical yes detail, Salley question.

Speaker 15 (11:16):
I would answer it from the reverse time period from
if the first shots rang out at eighteen eleven hours,
hoisting up of the officer occurred, probably no more. Again,
I'm going to give you it a time, but I
want to just put it. We understand it a sequence
of events. I would say, at most two and a

(11:37):
half to three minutes before that first shot and when
when they were notified in the interim it still remains
under right.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
And when he fell off of the he let go
the municipal officer.

Speaker 15 (11:50):
When the briefing that I had was the municipal officer
saws Krooks saw him, and Crooks turned and leveled the
gun at him in a position tactically of extreme disadvantage,
suspend it in the air, with your legs dangling after somebody.

Speaker 11 (12:04):
Had boosted you up and he let go right he
let go and he fell back down, And was there
at that point any communications that there's a shooter on
the roof from the municipal officers who were there.

Speaker 15 (12:17):
That's all part of the after action. We're just trying
to get a sequence events up to the point when
Crooks then fired the weapons. So that's been the focus
of our investigation was.

Speaker 11 (12:25):
But there was at least you said you thought two
and a half to three minutes between the time when
the officer the municipal officers tried to hoist on top
of the roof, Crooks pointed a gun at them, they dropped,
and then between that time and when he fired the shots.

Speaker 15 (12:46):
I don't want to give you an exact period of time,
but it was it was minutes. It was a very
short period of time, even for his ability, and not seconds.
I would say minutes, but I can't. I would be
remiss if I gave you, and I want to be
very clear on the record. When you an investigation like this,
the timeline is critical. You're asking me I was briefed.
I'm answering, to the best of my ability right now,

(13:08):
and I know my time is up.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
These officers are sticking to two and a half to
three minutes. FBI Director Ray testified yesterday it was just
a few seconds. We have a problem. FBI Director Chris
Ray testified one day after Colonel Paris regarding the same
event when the officer fell from the roof and instead
of it being two point five to three minutes before
shots were fired, Christopher Ray says it was only seconds.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
The first time that anybody from law enforcement.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Saw the subject on the roof was a few minutes
before the shooting.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Not with a gun, they didn't at that point.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
They didn't, but the local law enforcement a few minutes
before saw him on the roof and started ray, did
you have a.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Backpack going up the roof?

Speaker 11 (13:56):
Did they?

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Well, there's nobody is We haven't found anybody yet who's
who saw him climbing up the roof. The reason we
the reason why I've talked about how we think he
got on the roof is that's based on forensic our
evidence response.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
He in forensic analysis.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
That we're you know, without getting into all the details,
footprints and things like that that we can you know,
fingerprints et cetera. We can see how we got on,
but we don't have an eyewitness at the moment who
saw him climbing up. So a few minutes before the shooting,
local law enforcement saw him on the roof. Again not

(14:31):
no weapon identified at that point. A few seconds before
the shooting is when the law enforcement officer that I've
talked about already saw is the one who was assisted
by another officer who saw up on the roof, saw.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
The shooter in a prone shooting position with the gun turns.
How long did that happen before that? Was that that sighting?
That is the first time to mind. Now that's the
first time anybody from law.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Enforcement saw him with a weapon, that is seconds before
he shot at Christmas.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Thank you as chairman.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
All of my experience as an attorney who has interrogated
witnesses and as a poker player, tell me these guys
are telling the truth. Christopher Ray has a tell when
I don't like what he's saying here, he looks sincere,
and I know I really believe Colonel Paris is sincere.
Their testimony being in conflict indicates a potential second shooter,

(15:35):
doppelganger of crooks, and you know that's.

Speaker 10 (15:43):
A little bit older that you want, a couple of
months old.

Speaker 15 (15:46):
And if you want to really see something that said, take.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
A look at what happens, I.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Dream probably and you know that's a little bit all that.

Speaker 10 (16:06):
Film months Hold him in your hand. I want to
really see something that said, take a look.

Speaker 11 (16:11):
At what happened.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I've been studying this video, folks, and whoever made this video,
if I was a law enforcement they would be a
person of interest to me. The things that are going
on in this video that this person is filming here,
it's like they know what to film and when to
film it. It's an elegant choreography. He has his cues,
he's not paying attention to the rally.

Speaker 8 (16:32):
And this is the guy.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's all for, the guy in the right hand corner
with the ar style rifle. Now, I'm going to show
you how we found him. These two, you know, that's
the couple that walks. They start running, all right, and
then you see the guy in red. But this guy here,
he's trailing those two. Here he is again in slow motion.
You're gonna see it again later with the clip in full.
He's following those two. And when I stopped it, I

(16:56):
caught this freeze frame. He's holding it looks like an
our style rifle. It just looked very closely. I've adjusted
the contrast a little to bring it out, all right,
But he's holding what appears to be an AR style rifle. Now,
those two go to the fifth tree, and it's five
trees back. That's five four three two one. That guy

(17:18):
is trailing then, and he would have a shot like
this from there to the stage, an excellent, perfect open
shot to Donald Trump. Remember when Donald Trump turns to
the right, that's when they went for him. Look at
this guy's got He's got an AR rifle in his hand.
There's no doubt about it. And how does this guy
capture everything? Why is he looking over there at that moment?

(17:41):
He captures the shots, the girl, the couple, and nothing
on a stage until after it stops here, right, he
captures this as well. This is significant. This is the uh,
this is the fingerprint, all right, this is the calling card.

(18:02):
This is the end of your freedom, folks. If America
settles for the Patsy, America becomes the patsy. If America
settles for the Patsy, America becomes the patsy. You have
been warned. You have been warned.

Speaker 9 (18:29):
Our country probably twenty million people.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
And you know that's a little bit old that.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
You have changed, a couple of months old, and you
can want to really see something that said, take.

Speaker 11 (18:41):
A look what happened.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
That a very small request, President Trump, can you please
investigate America BA County election crimes for twenty twenty, twenty
twenty two, and twenty twenty four. We've exposed all of
the information that you need, the official election records returns
in documents to show massive amounts of crimes. We just

(19:07):
need someone like yourself to investigate it because we cannot do.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
It here in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
As you can see an a quick reminder, in October
eighth of twenty twenty four, President Trump did state anybody
that cheats on the election is going to jail. So
we're asking, we're begging, we're begging you, President Trump, to
live up to your word. The people want their sacred
right to choose their representatives through their vote back. Make

(19:34):
elections legal again, make them legitimate again, make the people's
voice count again. Please, President Trump, investigate and prosecute Markopa
County election crime scenes for twenty twenty twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty four. And it's a quick note. There's
a lot more coming for twenty twenty Trump won mind

(19:56):
blowing evidence coming out. Thank you, President tr Uh.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Is this.

Speaker 14 (20:32):
There are fascists active in this country. Jenna just listed
off who they are. She politely calls them election deniers.
I'm supposed to call them election enthusiasts as an official
position in my office, but I personally prefer just calling
them what they are.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
They are fascists.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
No, it's like everything you know, we it hides in
plain side. Epstein was hiding in plain side. We all
knew about him, we all knew what he was doing,
but we had no one that was you know, legal
aspect that would go after him. They were afraid of him.
For whatever reason, they were afraid of him.

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Click on that.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
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what's in these monthly plans for everybody?

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So basically you're going to getting a really good deal
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