CB-Musings Episode 113: Love & Thunder Does Not Slap

In the final stretch of our MCU rewatch

Worst MCU movie?

Movie #29 = Thor: Love & Thunder (2022)
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Episode Transcript

Microphone (2- USB Audio COD (00:00):
We are back after a brief hiatus to

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talk love and thunder.
I'm going to come in strongthough, because I really want to
try to finish the MCU this year.
This movie.
It's not like Morbius or Madameweb.
It's not the worst thing you'veever seen.
But was it the best?
No.
Yeah, this episode, we're goingto do something a little
different.

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I won't end off with therankings.
Like I usually do.
Let's just be upfront with it.
It's in last place.
You don't need nothing to do abuild up to where it comes in.
It's dead last.
I just thought that Tyco with TDwas given too much rain.
He's a funny guy.
He's a really creative guy, buthe needs.
He needs studio intervention.

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And I, I don't say that lightlybecause I think some, uh, most
of the time studiointerventions, a bad thing.
But.
With Ragnarok.
Like leading into love andthunder.
He was saying how he wassurprised the studio was saying
yes to everything.
And I thought that was a goodthing because Ragnar rock is one
of the best movies Marvel everdid.

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But with love and thunder.
I came to realize it.
It was too much of a good thing.
It was just silly.
It's just, that's the best wordto describe this movie.
It's silly.
Tyco with TD can, can do greatthings.
Jojo rabbit is one of myfavorite moves.
It's so good.
But this just wasn't it, man.
It just wasn't.
It.

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The jokes were funny.
Like, I guess the stakes wereokay, but.
I don't know, like you haveChristian bale is gore.
The God butcher.
Do people realize how crazy gorethe God butcher is in the
comics?
That dude is mental.
Mental he is one of the best.
Marvel villains I've ever read.
And they had Christian bale playhim.

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That should have been money, butthey made him silly.
He was just a silly guy.
He should've showed up at thatplace there at where Hercules
was and just murked a bunch ofgods.
Just anarchy and chaos.
And then the thing, whole thingwith the kids and.
I don't know, it just wasn't.
It wasn't good.
It was too silly.
Gore should not have been acomedic character.

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He was like, like a quirky andhe had some kind of like
goofiness Tim and I, it's just,that's a prime example of too
much of a good thing.
Let's look at the box officenumbers.
So it did really well at the boxoffice to be fair.
On a budget of$250 million.
Now keep in mind, this moviecame out and I'm pulling up the

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date.
Now, this movie came up in 2022,so it was two years ago.
The movie camp.
Uh, on a bar budget of$250million for 1100 it's 760
million.
That's over$500 million profit.
By all metrics.
The movie's a successfinancially.
Now I want to pull up the rottentomatoes, which I haven't
usually done, but this feelslike an interesting movie to see

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what people thought about.
So critics gave it 63 users gaveit 70.
That's interesting.
I would give it probably like a55 because there were some.
Positives too.
I like the coloring of it whenthey were fighting him in the
shadow realm.
I thought that was really cool.
Just the black and whiteness.
Not even a word of the shower.

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My thought was aestheticallypleasing.
I really enjoy the dynamicbetween Thor and Jane.
I knew she was going to divecancer before, because I read
some comics leading into it.
Cause I was so excited.
The way they presented newAsgard.
It was ridiculous too.
Why would there be an ice creamshop?
Themed in the infinity gauntlet.

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That makes no sense.
Like what the hell?
Do people.
Not re like did Tyco T notremember.
What Fennell's did to Asgard.
He probably just didn't evenlook it up.
Ask Thanos.
Murked like 60% of them on thebig boat at the end of.
Ragnar rock.
Destroyed them.
Then he wipes out half of thecivilization and the thing it's

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like, they think new Asgardwould have an ice cream shop
themed after him.
Come on.
That's ridiculous.
You know what I get so riled up,but let's focus more on the
positives.
If we're in the holiday season.
Let's have some Yule tidespirit.
The coloring of the shadowrealm.
I really liked.
How, um, How the dynamic wasbetween thorn chain.

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Come on.
I thought Zeus was way toosilly.
I like Russell Crowe, but it waskind of like, I don't know,
cringe on what, where do youwant to use?
I did like how they went thereand saw all the gods.
Like, I thought that was a coolkind of, it was almost like in
star wars when they have.
Those big Senate meetings.
That's what that felt like.
I like the dynamic of the gods,not caring about humans like

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humanity or just other civillight, other people, you know
what I mean?
I thought that was reallyinteresting and I hope they
explore that more.
Who knows maybe with Zeus goingforward.
We'll see.
The Zeus that I want, like more.
Aggressive and.
Demeaning to humanity becauseyou saw how they brought in, um,

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Hercules at the end and Sueseemed all pissed off.
So we might get that kind ofZeus.
The action scenes are prettyfun.

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The final confrontation wasridiculous with the children.
Did not like that at all.
Like, can you just give power topeople?
Come on.
Where did that come from?
Aye.
Come on.
I'm just adding more negatives.
I can find a positive.
Right Parker.
Your daddy can find a positive.
Ah, what's a positive about thisfilm besides the two things that
keep repeating.

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The root good jokes.
Like when they were playing thespeaker and nodding there.
A bobbing their heads.
I liked how I do really likeJane's character.
I thought she was really wellacted.
Um, Natalie Portman put on somemuscle for the role and it
really suited it.
I do like the little girl.
Um, Gore's daughter.
I thought she was really cool.

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I hope to see her with theyounger vendors at some point.
And, you know, even if I'm gonnacriticize it, actually there is
a positive, a real positive.
This to me is.
Thor love and thunder is thestandard for bat in the MCU.
You could put maybe captainMarvel with that too.
Like I like captain Marvel, but.

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Um, maybe it's a little bit.
It's definitely better thanthrow 11 thunder, but it creeps
towards that level of quality.
I would say.
But even the MCU at its worst.
I still found myself.
Having fun.
There were even like with allthe things I criticized.
It wasn't unwatchable.
Which I could say about Madamweapon.

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Maybe Morbius.
So I do appreciate the marblesable to Marvel, even at its
worst, it's still like a pretty.
Decent time because the moviegot like 70%.
Users critics who cares whatthey say, honestly.
It doesn't matter, but userstill gave it 70%.
So if that's like the worst thatMarvel has to offer, which I

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would say it's more 50something.
That's not too bad.
They've consistently put outquality.
For over 15 years.
It's all been good enough.
And I can't really think of manylike bombs at the box office.
So like the good news is the MCis going to keep going.
If they started like bombing,like DC did with the.

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Their universe.
We wouldn't have any more MCU.
So it is good that at itsabsolute worst.
It's still good enough to keepthe universe going.
That's a positive, right?
Jen?
She's here too.
Yeah.
That's why you think I'm toonegative.
This episode?
She's nodding her head.
Yes, I know, but I have to behonest, I have to be honest.

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Thor 11 thunder deserved thecriticism I'm giving it.
Now the next one, we're going totalk about.
Is Wakanda forever.
That one.
I I watched.
And at the point of thisrecording, I've watched it.
And it's amazing.
So I'll be positive there.
I promise.
Thanks for listening to anotherepisode of savvy geeks.
I'm your host mark savvy.

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I'll see.
In next time.