Ep. 64 Ghostly Tales and Unconventional Lifestyles: Harley Horkey

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Journey into the realms of the eerie and extraordinary as we build excitement for an upcoming Japanese-themed paranormal show on Scalarious. Our episode takes a nostalgic twist with iconic moments from "The Simpsons," setting the stage for a lively discussion on ghostly encounters and the personalities of spirits. Our fascinating guest, Harley, offers a unique perspective on the macabre with her lifestyle centered around death and witchcraft. From roadkill funerals to her collection of wet specimens, Harley's stories challenge stigmas and provide insight into her intriguing exploration of life's mysteries.

As we wrap up, Harley provides a glimpse into how her unconventional interests impact her dating life, and we share a laugh over morbid humor and breakfast preferences. Whether it's about her taste in music or travel destinations, Harley keeps the conversation engaging and fun. We end on a high note, inviting listeners to embark on their own paranormal adventures and connect with us for more spooky fun. Gratitude fills the air as Harley reflects on her first podcast experience, and we thank our amazing listeners for joining the adventure.

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Speaker 3 (01:27):
What's going on?
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen and with me, as always, is
dw.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
The doggy style worry wart serene oh, I don't have a
can to uh.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Uh, there we go what are you drinking there?

Speaker 4 (01:45):
so I'm uh recovering from something.
So I am being lame today and Ijust have a big old cup of
orange juice.
So because I'm trying to getbetter, you know, I just I don't
know what it is, but uh, yeah,it's been.
I was knocked out the wholeweekend.
I went to work today, but youknow word from home and I don't

(02:09):
know, maybe I'll sneeze onsomeone tomorrow and we'll find
out what they have.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Sounds like a plan.
Do not sneeze on my queenconsort, anyways.
Being knocked out all weekendsounds amazing.
I know that you are being alame-o and not drinking anything
fun, but don't worry, don'tworry you are what have you got?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
what have you got?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
well, I just happen to have a kite THC soda that I
will be partaking with.
Yes, I am doing the THC sodaagain now, don't get me wrong.
I have been uh, using just notthe sodas so much okay, uh, but

(02:56):
now feel a little bit better.
Things seem to be working rightback to the sodas.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
It is so when you start feeling good, that's when
you realize you need to takemore thc.
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
no, no, thc is only like, only do it to a
therapeutic level, dw.
I am not like I don't know if Ihave adhd so bad that I have to
get high to balance out my,like you know, chemicals or
whatever.
But if that's the case, thenthen so be it.
That's what it is.

(03:29):
I don't really get thatfreaking baked.
To be honest, a lot of peopledo.
A lot of people do get just out, blitzed out of their mind, and
I do not but you areperpetually like, always a
little bit, aren't you?

(03:52):
Based on how long it's in yoursystem.
Yes, always, that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
So there's really never timethat I don't have.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
So I've never met john, I've just met, you know,
thc john.
We need a name for that I amthe same guy, man.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, I'll see.
No, sincerely.
So I okay.
So you were sick a little bit.
You know I was sick.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Oh, so before I forget, though, let me, I have a
.
We had a legal notice before.
This is a cease and desist.
What, yeah, for what?
Hang on.
Let me just, to whom it mayconcern, with this letter, I

(04:47):
hereby request that you ceaseand desist any and all
impersonations of Dusty Rhodes.
Is that a wrestler or something?
Okay, anyway, you are herebyinstructed to cease all
impersonation effortsimmediately or face legal
sanctions under the Federal FairImpersonations Practices Act
1501 USC, sections 169201C and16092K, which is incorporated

(05:14):
and made applicable to comedianslike yourself by the Tim Allen
Impersonations Practices Act.
Us Civil Code, sanctions1788.17.
Please mark your podcast notesaccordingly.
Thank you in advance for yourcooperation in this matter.
So.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
You'll have to check Dusty Rhodes off of your list of
impersonations.
You know, I'm sure I have heardEddie Murphy sues so I would
just watch that.
You know might want to becareful there.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I wouldn't be me if I didn't say listen here, See,
listen, listen, baby okay.
See the American dream here.
We don't want to listen to somelegal nose, baby, okay, we just
do what we do.
Uh-huh, that's right, Just dowhat we do-huh, that's right,
just do what we do so.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Was that mike tyson or I?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
can't be more like this, and I actually met mike
tyson once, so don't, yeah, hedoesn't play around.
Trust me, I know I've had miketyson literally say to me you
take a picture of me, now breakyour fucking face.
That's how, that's exactly howit went.
So I mean yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
The fact that I can't tell who it is, though that's
usually not a good sign.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
If you do an impersonation.
No, Dusty has a little bit oftwang, baby, because he's from
downtown Texas, that's how.
And then he had a lisp too.
So he's like yeah, Dirty DustyRose baby, it was D, so he's
like yeah, dirty, that's theroad, baby.
It was dirty, that's the road,and dirty, yeah, you're not
helping your case here.
Anyways, I don't.
I know who that was from and wewill be talking after I get off

(06:56):
of this, so just throwing itout there.
Um, yeah, some really coolstuff happening.
Uh, we in I'm.
If they stick around afterhearing the impersonations, then
god bless them.
Um, more japanese listeners,which is badass.

(07:17):
Uh, more ukrainian listeners,which is badass.
More french listeners, which isbadass itself.
I, yeah, that's uh dw.
I mean wow, and once again,anyone from any foreign country.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Please contact us and tell us how you're listening,
because we're very curious.
If you are, you know 100%Japanese and don't understand
what the heck we're saying, butwe're just fun to listen to.
Or do you speak English, andwhy?
Were you originally from the USand moved there, or something?
We're just very curious as tohow it comes to pass that.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Japan, australia, ukraine, all of these places,
how in the world you get us sobut I like it, and I like the
fact that they know who we areover there.
Wouldn't it be so like crazy it?
You know?
It'd be like uh, uh, what wason the simpsons?
Um, what do you homer?

(08:22):
What was he over in in in japan?
What, uh, do you remember?

Speaker 4 (08:27):
oh and uh.
Is it the one where he, theydid the game show to try and get
back?
Yeah, I thought their ticketsback?
No uh no, it was.
Oh, you mean the mr sparkle, mrsparkle yeah, there we go yeah
but he didn't go to japan, andhe didn't go there, no, but he
just got something.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
So they got his likeness or whatever and they
used it as mr sparkle.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, but there is another one where he goes to.
I can't, I'm sorry, I can'tremember if it's china or japan,
and I just remember him walkingthrough all the doors because
they're all made of, uh, tissuepaper.
Remember that yep yeah yeah,like he's in jail, he's like, oh
, this was terrible.
And so he finishes up his chowmein and just walks through the

(09:09):
door.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, to sell, quote, unquote.
Yeah, yeah, I love the simpsons, it's good stuff.
Um, well, I it's kind of aweird segue or whatever, going
from Mr Sparkle and that episodeto this.
But next week, on Scalarious,we will be having Well, I mean,

(09:31):
it's going to be aJapanese-themed paranormal show.
So me and the dubs are going totake the reins and we are going
to go.
So all of you Japaneselisteners, konnichiwa and Domo

(09:51):
Arigato I don't know if that'sreally a thing, but you know,
you could always let me know.
Mr Roboto was even better,alright, so next week you can
hear all that stuff and you tellus whether or not we're on
point or not.
So I'm learning, I'm doing thelearning right now, and then

(10:13):
we'll talk about some Japanesehorror films too, because they
have a lot of them and it'sbadass.
So it's gonna be cool.
So it's gonna be a coolJapanese themed Scalarius next
week.
So stay tuned.
All right, cool, all right.
So we're sitting there talkingabout next week, but we should

(10:37):
be talking about things likeright now and things like right
now.
You might be sitting there inyour home, you might be at work
right now listening to this, tobe honest, and if you are,
you're probably sitting theregoing like you know that DW,
he's kind of a funny guy.
Maybe I want to reach out tohim.

(10:58):
Maybe I want to reach out baby,reach out to DW, reach out,
reach out to DW, reach out toJohn.
Take your hand out there andsay DW, come here, come here,
baby, come here.
If you wanted to do that, youcould find DW at DW Steering

(11:21):
Comedian on Facebook.
You can find me at John OlsenComedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us steeringcomedian on Facebook.
You can find me at John Olsoncomedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both togetheron Facebook but we're not a
couple.
We're not we.
You find us to.
You know both together at thescolarius page.
We also use.
I mean, we do have a tech talk,but you know, I don't know it's
it's kind of up and down.
You know what I mean.
So don't worry about the tech,I don't know about it, but if

(11:43):
you, if you did want to wear it.
Just go to scolarius 8 andyou'll see some videos and stuff
like that and whatever.
But uh, mostly on instagram atscolarius.
And if you wanted to, again, wethought to us, reach out.
Dw said john, reach out.
And they say, just go toscolariaspod at gmailcom.

(12:06):
Write us an email, we'll getright back to you, it'll be a
whole lot of fun.
And, uh, I suppose if youwanted to listen to every single
episode that we have, you coulddo that at
scolariaspodbuzzsproutcom, isthat right?

(12:26):
Dw Yep, that is right.
Hey, how's your clothes fitting, buddy?
You doing good?
Do you need any extra apparel?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
You are the worst at segues.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
No, so I know right where this is going.
Aren't you supposed to knowright where it's going?
Is that?
The idea of a segue is that youmoved like smoothly into the
next part.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, but it's not supposed to come out of left
field.
It's not so supposed to be um,and you can find us on facebook.
Hey, look at your clothes.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Like that was an obvious well, whatever, all
right, it's it.
It was one of those funky seguesthere's a reason we haven't
gotten an endorsement yet,possibly, but no, it's one of
those funky segues that the mallcops use.
That's what it was.
So, yeah, anyways and Anyways.
And see, I said mall and mall'swhere you get clothes.

(13:26):
You know where else you can getclothes you get clothes at?
Just go to Crowdmade.
Yeah, go to Crowdmade.
And then you search Scolari'sPod and you do that and you're
going to see a whole bunch ofcool stuff.
There's t-shirts.
Dw has his own t-shirt.
Yeah his own shirts.

(13:47):
Dw has his own t-shirt, yeah,his own, and it just says here's
the thing, because that's whatdw says.
And then there's scolarius 316.
And why is this scolarius 316?
Dw, you're on mute, you knowthat, right?
Yeah, I good Cause the jokeyeah.

(14:08):
Well.
I mean listen the joke wouldhave bombed regardless.
But no, if nobody can hear you,then it's even worse.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
You had a reason for it.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I do have a reason for it.
And it was the same thing as theuh uh wrestler three, 16, have
a reason for it, and it was thesame thing as the uh, uh,
wrestler 316.
The wrestler 316 was notexactly how it went, but back in
the day there was a, agentleman who um went by the
name of stone cold steve austin,and his shirt said austin 316
and it was austin 316 because hejust whooped your ass.

(14:42):
Well, we were not whooping ass.
I mean, I could probably do it,but most likely you wouldn't.
So, like it's hilarious 316,because you know we're just
gonna, we just entertained yourass.
That's how that's.
I don't know.
It's a thing and I did it soanyway.

(15:03):
So you go and you get thatt-shirt there and you get DW's
T-shirt.
You can get leashes and collarsfor your dogs to say beware the
hellhounds of Scalarius, whichis badass.
There's also like a dog bowl.
It could be a cat bowl too.
It could be.
We're not discriminatingagainst cats, it's not all dog
stuff.
You could put your cat on theleash if you wanted to, you

(15:24):
could put your, but it's a dogslash cat bowl Could be raccoon
bowl, I don't know whatever.
But it says again beware thehellhounds.
That was hilarious, and a wholelot of stuff.
We have cups, we have coffeecups, there's hats, there's the
beanies, there's also the beaniewith the little fluffy thing on

(15:45):
the top and things like thatall that at crowd made.
And you just go there and thensearch up sclarius pod and
you'll find our page and you canorder a whole bunch of cool
stuff and everything's like lessthan 30 bucks, so it's
affordable too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,you should do that and then wear

(16:06):
your stuff out, and then peoplewill be like what's hilarious?
And then you have to likeexplain it to them and it's
going to be a whole, like thiswhole long thing, and then
you'll just end up having thisreally long conversation about
scolarius and you're like, hey,well, my favorite episode was
episode like 23.
You know the ghost of disneyland, and then, oh, I like that one.
That was a really good one.

(16:27):
You know what my favoriteepisode was?
It was episode 61.
And then, yeah, it just hadthis whole little thing.
And then pretty soon, you'rehaving a barbecue, people are
popping beers, this whole thing.
I'll be wearing Scalarius gear.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
We'll call that a best case scenario.
But uh, you know, yeah,apparently you put my quote on a
hoodie.
Even so, yeah, see you what?

Speaker 3 (16:57):
if you have your barbecue and it's like 40
degrees out.
You want to wear a hoodie whileyou're doing it, so therefore
you can have the.
You know, here's the thing.
Uh, dw, hoodie on, all right,so here's the thing here's.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
You want to talk bad segues, let's get right into it
and introduce our guest fortoday.
Oh, is that for a bad segue?
That was I mean it was prettyhorrible, to be honest all right
, but it's okay, you know aboutas good as you said All right.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I was going to say we're going with the theme of
the show apparently today.
That's cool, that's all right.
So you know, here's the thing,here's the thing here.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Don't oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Okay, so we enjoy the people who are paranormal
enthusiasts.
They come on here and they justthey love the stuff.
Because I love the stuff, dw,he's more of like a, you know
he's okay with it, but you knowI love the stuff.

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So I like to hear other peopleand how they love the stuff.
But then then there is acertain few people that might be
into other things.
Okay, I'm not going to say whatthese other things are, but
we're going to get into themtoday and it's going to be
amazing.
But but first we need tointroduce our guests.

(18:21):
Our guest today is the founderof Hard Knock Paranormal.
Okay, she is just into some ofthe coolest stuff and maybe like
, possibly a self-professedwitch, right, possibly a death

(18:43):
enthusiast okay, possibly awhole lot of stuff that we're
gonna get into.
So, without further ado, harleyhorky, how are you today?
I'm doing good.
So, harley, I.

(19:04):
So.
Harley, I seem to have figuredout that you're from Minnesota.
Where in this wonderfulsouthern Canadian state are you
from?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Eagan, minnesota, originally from Wyndham.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I go through Wyndham a lot, actually on my drives to
go get get my kids right onright on uh 60, there a little
spot.
There was one time we weredriving through and I think you
might know exactly where this is, but we were going through and
there was like a thunderstormand there was a big ass
lightning strike and all thelights in the high school

(19:42):
football field or baseball fieldor whatever right there and
like they all like flashed atthe same time.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
It's pretty cool, I thought it was they get hit with
some pretty gnarly storms.
There was a lot of floodingthis last year really, yeah,
that's.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's too bad.
Nice little town.
They.
They took away the dinosaur andthey put up a veterans thing.
But you know, I I suppose ithats off to the veterans, but
the dinosaur is pretty cool.
Not gonna lie, you've, you'vemade a powerful enemy.
Windham, minnesota?
I don't know, not really.
So, harley, you are the founderof hard knock.

(20:23):
Tell us about founderco-founder.
Okay, tell us about Hard Knock.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
So Hard Knock Paranormal was kind of
established in 2019.
Uh, me and my best friend,felicia Rosario, um, we ended up
just taking a road trip and wemapped out all of the haunted
cemeteries, haunted locations.
We made a 24-hour trip of it.
We started at like cottagegrove, went down to the border
of iowa, all the way up to theiron range, um, and we were kind

(20:55):
of hooked after that wow, sohow often do you investigate?
Uh, we have, I don't know twoto three trips a year, depending
on the funding.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Very cool, that's cool, and so I recently seen you
.
You were in Edinburgh.
Yeah, okay, that's a prettynice little place.
Have you been to the Villisca,the velisca axe murder house yet
?
yeah, we actually did veliscaaxe murder on the 13th of

(21:30):
october and then we did the uhedinburgh on the 28th of october
yeah, um, they're a few hoursapart, but I'm assuming you came
home before you went back,right, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of
driving, but it makes it worthit.
So you know, I wanted to hearabout hard knock, but let's,

(22:00):
let's get into you a little bit,because this stuff, let's get
into you a little bit, becausethis stuff interests me a lot.
Let's start with the firstthing.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Death enthusiast, so All right yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Explain that.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
I don't know, ever since I was like itty bitty, I
was doing like random things,things like creating funerals
for dead animals, and like I hada miscellaneous roadkill
notebook for like road trips.
You know, people are countinglike bumpers and license plates.
I was tallying roadkill.
I was just always very weird.

(22:38):
Um, even now I mean, it's justlife, death, birth, death.
What's beyond the things thatyou can't explain?
I'm actually looking to ventureinto mortuary science.
That's my next stop, nice.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I mean, there's always time right, and that's
one business that's not going togo away.
Nope, right, all right.
So are you a witch?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I would consider myself a baby witch.
I dabble in it.
I have an altar.
I don't do it as often.
I don't practice as often as Iwould like to.
Life just gets busy.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
All right, let's go back a minute.
Here you have an altar.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, four.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Hecate Okay.
Did you say, you can't say heck.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I'd say oh heck, I'd say I thought you said I can't
say it, I'm like okay yeah okay,so just so you know.
A few weeks back we intervieweda lovely young lady and she
started out the episode likeright off the bat, and she's

(24:08):
like my stepfather was a warlockand he used to sacrifice
animals on the kitchen table,like in the middle of whatever
it was like.
So hearing I have an altarwasn't exactly the weirdest
thing we've ever heard.
But at the same time, kind ofconcerning after hearing the

(24:31):
first one say you know, Isacrificed animals, or only she
didn't, but her stepfather, whowas a warlock, did.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
So I'll leave her offerings and things like that.
I'll like candles, littlelittle things.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I don't go to that extreme okay, because that would
be not good.
That's more into, okay, solet's go with this.
You know there are stigmas whenit comes to witchcraft and
everything that it's a dark artand so on and so forth.
You're leaving little offeringsand things that are seemingly

(25:12):
good in nature, I assume.
So would you say, you're on thelight side of this or more of
the dark side?
I want to say I'm probably onthe light side of this or are
more of the dark side, I want tosay I'm probably on the lighter
side of it.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
I wouldn't do anything malicious or with
malintent towards anyone,because I do believe that comes
back to you um, much like, uh,the movie, uh, oh really, the
Craft, the Craft.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
There we go Like.
Sometimes, man, if I'm punchy,you know it's there, but it's
not coming out, so do you thinkit comes back to you.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Threefold Karma will get you one way or the other.
I do feel like that could beyou.
You could get back more thanthat, you more than what you
asked for.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Okay, so we're gonna stick on this witch thing for a
minute, because this, this iskind of fun.
So, um, have you ever done anylove spells no yourself or
anybody else and do you thinkthey would work?

Speaker 5 (26:27):
maybe I guess I don't know how much I believe in the
love spell thing.
Also, I feel like what'sdestined will be.
So yeah, I'm not trying toreally do or mess with other
people's lives like that fairenough.
All right, cool, I have done acord cutting before and that was
just for me to personallydisconnect attachment to someone

(26:52):
else.
But that was, that was for mepersonally okay, and that is not
that I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Obviously you're not trying to pull them in if you're
quite in the cord, so, um, okay, uh, how devastating can that
be?

Speaker 5 (27:09):
I wouldn't say I was devastated, more feeling freed
than anything all right, that'spretty cool, okay, so what is a

(27:31):
wet specimen collector?
So I collect wet specimens.
What specimens are?
They can be anything from likeeyeballs to fetuses, to larger
animals and basically they'refixed.
They're fixed um in formalin umand they stay in jars and
they're just wet specimens.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, how many would you say you have?

Speaker 5 (27:54):
God, I think I might have like 30 at this point.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, wow, and do they range from everything that
you're saying?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, range from everything that
you're saying oh yeah, okay, yep.
I mean I've got eyeballs,brains, eggs, fetal kittens, and
you know, I've got a ton ofthings snakes, lizards.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
So where do you get eyeballs and brains and stuff
like that?

Speaker 5 (28:31):
I'll get them gifted to me or I'll pick them up at
random, like oddity shows.
Yeah there's a lot out there.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
What, what oddity show has eyeballs at the gift
shop.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Um, you can go to.
What is it?
Whoa world of world of oddities?
I can't.
I I don't know the correlationof their there.
Is there a smaller oddity show?
There's one coming up in, Ithink, november.
Oddities and Curiosities Expois the one that I'll mainly go
to.
It's huge.

(29:01):
They usually have it at theconvention center in Minneapolis
once a year and there's justtons and tons of vendors.
I mean you'll find anythingfrom wet specimens to bones, to
taxidermy, to witchcraft items.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
You name it.
So then, where do they get it?
I'm kind of trying to figureout, like, how does someone get
an eyeball without like?
Taking a doctor going oops, Iguess you only had one, you know
like where?
How does that person get brainsor an eyeball to to sell
legally?

Speaker 5 (29:41):
to sell legally.
I think it's more like ethicalsourcing.
Like you know, if, if, if ananimal dies of natural causes,
um, you know, organs will beharvested and they'll be fixed.
Um, if an animal loses an eyeor something like that, um, you
know, sometimes people ask tokeep them you know, sometimes
people ask to keep them.

(30:02):
So these are.
So these are animal eyes, brain, stuff like that.
Yeah, I, the only thing that Ihave from a human that is a wet
specimen is a slice of humanbrain oh gosh the rest of my
human remains are skeletal orbones.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
So let's talk about that, because we didn't explain
this before.
We're audio only, so ourlisteners can't see what we're
seeing.
You have a full body skeletonbehind you and before we started
recording we talked about thata little bit.
Tell us again.
Pretend I didn't ask you before.
Tell us how you got that.

(30:40):
And the other thing is sorry togive you two questions at once,
but you referred to it as she,so I'm guessing there's a story
behind that in terms of, like,there's a person and you know
her somewhat.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
So the person that I got her from advertised her on
the Facebook odditiesmarketplace and I had been
wanting a full skeleton for avery long time and what they
were selling it for was a prettydecent price.
I contacted them, asked them ifthey had any information on it.
Unfortunately she didn't comewith any paperwork.

(31:17):
You can tell that she's female.
They were saying that they gother from a European collection.
She's of Asian descent.
They estimate between 19 to 21years old.
She's only like five foot one,so she's shorter than I am.
She's very petite.
A lot of it.

(31:38):
You can kind of tell by thepelvic bones it's female.
The other skull that I have Igot from 12 vultures.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Do you?

Speaker 5 (31:52):
know how long ago the person lived the skeleton that
she had.
They said that they estimatedthe piece to be 1930s, 1940s.
Said that they estimated thepiece to be 1930s, 1940s, which
it's.
It's real questionable how theygot the medical specimens.
And you can tell she's amedical specimen.
She has, you know, all thewiring and the in the numbers
all over her um, but it's it'svery questionable where she came

(32:16):
from, just because there was alot of like body snatching and
grave digging and things.
Back in the day People wantedspecimens for scientific reasons
.
So who knows where she camefrom originally?

Speaker 4 (32:29):
I just know that she was a collector piece across
seas and she was transportedover here to Pennsylvania to the
person that I got her from overhere to Pennsylvania, to the
person that I got her from, andthen you were saying that you
actually the laws have sincechanged you wouldn't be able to
get her now because you cannotbuy human remains, was that it?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, so I guess I'll leave the person's name out
that I got her from, just forpotential legal issues.
But they were a part of a verysketchy kind of investigation
involving human remains and itwas basically people were
selling human remains illegallyand harvesting them illegally

(33:16):
and they were being investigated.
People went to jail.
It was a whole like ring ofpeople.
And, uh, for some reasonMinnesota got put on the no-no
list.
Um, as far as you know, youcannot sell or buy human remains
in Minnesota anymore.
That was just pushed throughthis last August.
Um, so I was kind ofgrandfathered in.
I got her a couple of years ago.

(33:37):
Yeah, that was.
I mean it was a wild thing tokind of watch unfold on the
media too.
You can look into that and itwas all over the news.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's crazy.
I mean just the fact thatanybody has to be like, okay,
you can't buy human remains.
The fact that it has to be said, you know, is funny in itself.
But I have a lot of otherquestions here.
You obviously have a largecollection large collection.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
So one thing that I do like to add, and I like to be
very, you know, adamant about,is honoring the dead.
Just because I have the skulls,the skeletons, I don't dress
them up in scarves or give themnames or color on them or, you
know, create jewelry out of themean, whatever floats your boat.
I feel it's very disrespectfulbecause it's a human being that
had a life, and I even offerthem flowers and things like

(34:45):
that.
They're not touchable objects.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
They're very, very important to me it's awesome,
that's cool, they have respectfor it, like and yeah, I'm sure
there were people out herethinking like, oh my god, like
whatever.
And then you said respect forit.
And yeah, I'm sure there werepeople out here thinking like oh
my.
God, like whatever, and thenyou said that yeah, it makes
things a lot better.
So you have a large collection.
How many pieces do you thinkyou have?

Speaker 5 (35:14):
No, I couldn't count.
I mean, I have things fromcaskets to Victorian morning
gowns.
I have tons of old embalmingsets, like with troll cars and
things like that.
I have morticians cosmetics.
I have old shackles and I'mobsessed with like the Victorian

(35:37):
area in particular.
So a lot of my places, justit's literally just scattered
with death and mourning.
Um, I've got like a Victorianhair piece, super pretty.
Um, basically the Victorianswould take the deceased hair and
make them into like flowers andthings, and I have stuff like
that up.
I have an embalming table as mybedside table so what is?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
uh, wow, that's okay.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
All right, we had maintenance come in the other
day and they were like, oh, it'syou.
And I'm like what?
And he's like you're myfavorite, stop.
And I'm like okay.
He's like yeah, she's got allthis cool stuff.
This kid was shadowing with himand I was like yeah, you want
to see my embalming table andthe kid's just like whoa so I

(36:26):
think I know.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
But what is a Victorian mourning gown?

Speaker 5 (36:32):
um, so back in the day, I mean, if anyone passed
you'd be wearing black for avery, very long time.
They had extended periods ofmourning.
So this particular gown that Igot was off a collector and just
sits in a display case.
It's an old Victorian, verygorgeous gown, probably made

(36:56):
with chemicals.
That you know.
She's in a display case becausewe don't want to touch it
because a lot of the stuff thatthey used to dye the dresses
black back then was, uh, it'sactually really toxic.
Um, but I mean, you touch itand it starts falling apart.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
This is very old it seems like I'm guessing a lot of
your stuff is probably in acase or something and you don't
take it out ever, right?

Speaker 5 (37:20):
yeah, yeah, pretty much my house is like a museum.
I mean, the table I'm sittingat right now is over 100 years
old, so wow, so I?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
oh.
Okay, you said you have caskets, caskets or coffins.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Well, I, yes, correction.
I have a coffin.
I have an old Oddfellows coffinthat I just got a few months
ago.
It's a child's.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Okay, yeah, a child's .

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Aw, that's so sad.
Okay.
A child's.
Yeah, aw, that's so sad.
Okay, so I'm going to ask thequestion that DW really wants to
know, and that is this Was itused?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
You know, I don't know it was an old Odd Fellows.
It's nailed shut.
I've never opened it.
They don't necessarily want youto, so I've just kind of
honored that.
It's nailed shut and it doesn'treek or anything.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's pretty clean.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I think there's some old paperwork in it, but that's
about it I mean that's, that'scool, that's very cool.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
So I want to dabble into the paranormal because this
is a paranormal and comedypodcast and we started off with
some some pretty wild stuffthere and I appreciate the hell
out of it.
So, because that is exactly whyI asked you to come on, cause I
knew, I knew that would be wildand anything.

(39:06):
You can get DW to startinterjecting and asking
questions.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
You know the skeleton just just intrigued me.
I was like, how do you get askeleton Like?
Well cause, I looked at it thehard way.
Yeah, I suppose, if you, youngFrankenenstein, just wait until
whatever, um, but the thing is,I looked at and I was like, oh,
she's got, you know, she likeshalloween decorations.
She's still got a you know ahome depot.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Uh, skeleton up no that's a real person's skeleton
yeah, so she's got her own glasscase and her teeth fall out
every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
That's all that damn diamond do is what it is.
So all right, I know DW'sprobably not thinking this, but
I certainly am.
All that stuff you have in thehouse you have paranormal
activity there?

Speaker 5 (40:01):
yep, I do.
Um, I just got some camerasthat I put up around the house.
I'm still not super IT techsavvy so I'm trying to figure
that out, but um, there's been.
I mean, people have had theirlike pillows hit before been
touched on their feet.
Um, I've been sleeping a fewtimes and I'll get like my shirt
grabbed.
Um, one time I woke up to myshirt being grabbed and then I

(40:25):
laid there kind of with my eyesopen for a minute because
clearly I was awake and ithappened again.
Um, one of my co-workers wasjust over the other day and I
guess one of the paintings onthe wall was creeping her out.
So she went, got a towel andput it over the painting and all
of a sudden she's sitting theretalking and 10 minutes later
something's tapping her on thehead and I was like, oh yeah,
I'm like that'll happen.
We've heard.

(40:46):
We've heard chairs rocking.
I mean, I've I've heard my kidstalk to me when they're not
here, like my.
My son experienced something.
I kind of had some wildoccurrences after leaving a
property, which happened to bethe Boyd house, here in
Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It was just on here not too long ago.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
Had something I think attached and follow me home,
wow.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Well okay, dw, we're not.
And follow me home.
Wow Well okay, dw, we're notstaying the night there.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
So it's wild because I've been there three times now.
I love it there.
I don't know what just draws methere, but the first time that
we went there it was really wild.
We went to leave that morning.
I just I felt like I got hit bya truck and to the point where,
like I took ibuprofen.
I got home and like my son camerunning into the room and he's

(41:46):
like mom, I can hear, like youknow, the chair shaking out in
the dining room and I justdismissed it.
I was like where's the cats?
You know he got upset with methat.
He was like you know, the catsare in the next room and I was
like buddy, it's okay, like it's, it's fine.
Um, things kind of escalatedfrom there.
I was violently ill for like amonth from leaving there and, in

(42:08):
and out of, the doctorscouldn't figure out what was
going on.
I had this weird respiratorything.
Nothing was matching meds,nothing was helping.
Um, I was seeing shadows a lot,um, anywhere I went and, um, it
got to the point where one nightI went into my kid's room to
tell him good night and hestarted bawling and he's like

(42:29):
mom, there's something behindyou.
And I was like what does itlook like he goes?
It's a shadow with no face andat that point I was kind of like
you know, mom mode, like it'sokay, honey, like go to sleep,
it's, it's fine, I'm like youreyes are adjusting.
But in the back of my head Iwas kind of like all right, I
got to do something.
And he comes out like two hourslater and he's like mom, it's
still in there.

(42:50):
So I reached out to a fewdifferent people.
I know, um, one of my witchyfriends out in, uh, rhode island
.
Um, I did a four-hour cleansingwith herbs, salts, crystals,
prayer even and I'm not, youknow, a super religious person.
But after that, the day after,we were comfortable, I wasn't

(43:12):
seeing the shadow figures, Iwasn't sick anymore and we
didn't have issues again.
But we went back there.
The third time that we wentback to that house I caught that
shadow figure on camera inbehind me, moving.
So it was, it was on film.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Came back to see you.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's actually.
I think it's up on hard knockparanormals page.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Cool, we'll check it out, did you All right?
So obviously that was a heavyspirit, like it was.
Uh, yeah, it was there too.
I mean, if you were sick andthings like that, it was there
to oppress.
I'm assuming it was.
Yeah, I'm assuming it was.
Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
We should talk to Jill.
I want to preface in sayingthat I don't think the house is
demonic.
There was something that justcame out saying it was a demon
house.
I don't think the Boyd house isa demon house.
I saw that.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I've seen that yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
I don't agree.
Julie's awesome, by the way.
She's a fantastic host.
I think a lot of the peoplethat still reside there, the
spirits that still reside there,I think they are very peaceful.
I think they just want tocommunicate.
Whatever that was, I don't knowwhat it was.
There's definitely somethingthere that has a different
energy, but I think, for themost part, that house is.

(44:31):
It's a great experience to goif you're interested in that.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I bet you know, if it is true about ghosts and things
like that, after people die andthey hang around, they're going
to keep part of their ownpersonality.
So it's no different than if meand dw were trapped in a house
for eternity with each otherright.
Each other right.

(45:04):
Be funny though, oh gosh, noanyways.
So like obviously dw's more,he's more calm, a little bit
more level-headed things likethat.
People irritate me.
So I assume ghost john will bejust as irritated by people as
living john is now.
So I could see maybe apossibility of you know some

(45:26):
antics that might look like it'smalicious in a way right, but
not really, because I'd just begrumpy.
So I would assume that ghostswould be like that too.
And if they're in the boy'shouse they're probably old,
they're grumpy and they don'twant people walking around and
asking them questions.
And then they're looking at youand they're like where, what's

(45:49):
all that writing all over you?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
oh, the ghost people are here again.
They're asking the samequestions again.
Here we go.
Yeah, I wonder if the ghostsever argue with each other like
if a married couple here againthey're asking the same
questions again.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Here we go.
Yeah, I wonder if the ghostsever argue with each other, like
if a married couple dies, andthey're like it's my side of the
bed you give, you're on yourhalf.
Give me my thing, you know, Idon't know I'm just picturing
like if, if me and john arestuck in a house together for
all eternity, I'm gonna freakingjeez, I'm gonna attach myself

(46:19):
to someone and be like I'm goingwith you, I don't care where
you live.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But you imagine, like , sincerely, we'd be like the
odd couple.
Remember the old tv show?
You probably don't, but anyway,yeah, that's what it would be
like, um and ghosts, ghostimpressions.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
He would do a me impression and then you would
just hear me stuff flying offthe wall because I'm ticked
hearing this impression againbeen dead for 30 years and I
still have to hear it.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
So oh, creepers I definitely feel like uh,
residual energies are definitelya thing.
Um, I actually got toexperience that at edinburgh
when we went edinburgh.
I pronounce it wrong every timeuh the location that I was just
at, um paranormal exposures, um.

(47:15):
They kind of introduced me tothe place.
Tou toured me around, kind oftold some of the history about
that place.
There was one room that Iactually was physically grabbed
and she had forewarned me thatthat might happen in that bed,
being that there was some nastythings that had happened there.
But I did a first session andit was fine.

(47:36):
And then the second session wasnot.
I had something physicallypressed down on the bed and
grabbed me.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
You know that kind of shit.
It's terrifying in several ways.
Number one a female laying inbed and something you know,
reaching, grabbing you, whateveris one thing.
Then the fact that you can'tsee what it is that's doing it,
that is the shit that's.
I think that's scary as hell.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
And if they have the power to do that.
What else can they do?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Exactly.
Well, I know what else.
I know what else they could do,not from experience, experience
, but from hearing severalpeople talk about it.
Uh, they can, they could doanything a human could do and
yeah, some some chicks dig it.

(48:32):
We know a couple anyways umyeah, that's okay.
So you have some stuff happeningthere.
Now there was something that meand you kind of chatted about
off air type deal.
Um, when I was like you know,you were kind of like I don't

(48:58):
know, I don't want to do.
Not, I don't want to do this,just kind of like I'm not a
hundred percent sure.
I've never done a podcastbefore.
You know, I don't know whatever.
And I was like, hey, you know,it's cool, it's okay, you know
whatever.
And you said, hey, I work in anER, so I'm really busy right
now.
I'll get back to you.

(49:18):
And I was like, whoa, okay,hold up, we're going to talk
about that too.
So, but which made it a littlebit more interesting- it's not
just, you work at an ER.

(49:39):
You work at a where?
An animal emergency hospital.
One of the questions I askedyou immediately well, not really
asked you, but before you toldme that it was an animal
hospital I said, ooh, you workat the ER.
We've been wanting to talk topeople that have done that
because you know theirexperiences, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And I said I would really liketo hear it but I want to wait
for the podcast.
And you said it's an animal er,but things still happen.

(50:06):
Oh yeah, I'm curious and thisis for dw2, because I know he's
over there just waiting, becauseyou know any any mention of an
animal and a ghost, you know hegets all giddy.
So what, what has happened that?

(50:28):
Has a major radar go up alittle bit with the, with the
whole paranormal thing at theanimal hospital?

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Yeah, there's.
There's a handful more than ahandful of people that have
experienced things at thehospital.
Um, we have light sensor, likemost motion sensing lights
that'll go off when no one's inthere.
Um, a couple of us, includingmyself, have seen like figures
standing out of the corner ofour eyes, just random, weird

(51:01):
things that no one can reallypinpoint.
I mean it happens, don't knowwho's doing it.
I mean I don't think there'sany deaths, or I mean human
deaths there.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, you can't say that because one thing I mean
Minnesota is a large, largestate and it had many, many
Native Americans all over it,right?
So there's, there's a lot ofburial grounds that people just

(51:38):
don't even realize, and all overthis place, and I think
Minnesota's ranked one of thetop haunted states in America.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 5 (51:49):
It makes sense.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, we got some pretty cool stuff here, but I
wouldn't, I don't know.
People always talk about youknow, uh, go down to kentucky,
you know, and uh, seeing stuffdown there or going you know
california, doing the wholehaunted things down there.
You know, obviously, when I saykentucky, I mean waverly hills,
right, so I mean that's a uhbig, well-established, haunted

(52:17):
place that a lot of people talkabout.
New Orleans, new Orleans isanother place.
Massachusetts, yeah, but whenit comes to Minnesota, right,
there's only so many placeswhere people are like that's
really really haunted and theywant to go there, and a few of

(52:40):
them are hotels.
But there's like a couple ofestablishments, obviously, here
in St Paul there's there's two,two restaurants.
I know of four paws.
Four paws, which was, I thinkit's closed now.
I think it's closed now.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
The Lexington right.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
The Lexington yep.
And then you know you go up towhat is it the Palmer House
Hotel Yep.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I think I've been there like three times now.
We've had stuff every timeReally.
Oh yeah, one that stuck out tous hardcore was we were all
sitting downstairs around thetable and we had a voice
recorder sitting on the tableand bar had closed.
Like they shut the lights offand they just kind of let you
hang out down there and we'reall just sitting around talking.

(53:28):
Nothing really happened whilewe were down there, but when we
went upstairs and we wereplaying back the recorder, you
could hear piano music playingin the background.
There's a piano downstairs butthere was no music playing in
the background.
There's a piano downstairs, butthere's no music playing wow,
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Uh, is that place like it's all renovated and all?
Good yeah, oh, very cool did um.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
let me see here so you say that you any animal
ghosts in the animal hospital?
I just, I don't know how Icould tell Nothing really
screams.
Oh, that was an animal, do Ifeel like there's something
there?
Definitely Don't know what itis, though I haven't really done

(54:19):
too much venturing into thatEverybody keeps telling me
should, but I don't.
Why not same thing with myhouse?
I mean, I I know that there'sstuff here, but because this is
my safe space, I don'tnecessarily want to dig too hard

(54:42):
.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yep, yeah, that's the worst thing to that bridge.
You know, and you know for surewhat's going on.
You won't get that.
You know it's not getting outof your head and it's going to.
Yeah, it's going to mess you up, yeah yeah yeah, all right.

(55:03):
So I know we kind of like beengoing all over the place and
that's, that's fine.
Uh, what?
What's on the uh on the docketfor hard knock, paranormal.
What do you guys got going on?

Speaker 5 (55:15):
so the next big one we've got coming up is waverly
hills.
We're doing that one in april.
Um, after that we might begoing to mexico oh nice for day
of the dead and maybe hitting upa couple spots out there you
gotta watch it down there um Iknow, especially with what's

(55:36):
going on right now yeah, yeah,best day at the resort, because
I don't want to come backwithout a head and become
somebody else's collection.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
That probably wouldn't be, wouldn't be a good
thing.
Um, wow.
So another thing.
I uh, I just had to ask becauseyou know we are friends on
Facebook and we do see somethings.
I just happened to notice whatpets do you have?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Oh yeah, well, my ex has two of my dogs one of my
cats just because I actuallylive in an apartment, cat, um,
just because you know, Iactually live in an apartment,
um I've got geckos fish,tarantulas, snake.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I've got the exotics.
I've got a couple cats, okaylet's tiptoe back.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
I used to breed reptiles and things too, so I'm
kind of like the reptile ladyokay, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I mean that's, that's not as terrifying as, uh, the
tarantulas you were talkingabout, so let's, let's talk
about that for a second.
I want to know how in the bluehell you are able to um touch

(57:06):
and not kill the spider that youhave.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
I mean, these guys are pretty docile.
Their temperament's very, verypeaceful.
They're not flighty like someof them can be.
They're actually pretty slowmoving.
Noche, she's a Brazilian blacktarantula and the other one's a
zebra knee, and that's creatureVery, very pretty.
I don't play with them.

(57:33):
They're more of a hey, Iarrange your tanks real pretty
and I feed you and I come outand see you.
I don't, you know, snuggle them.
Lilith, my snake, she uh wantsto chew on me every time she
comes out and she's gettingbigger so it hurts more and what
is?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
what is lilith?

Speaker 5 (57:54):
she's a black mexican king snake.
Okay, great eaters, greateaters, but she loves to try to
eat my fingers.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, see, you know I'm terrified of spiders and
tarantula does not make it anybetter, and I understand.
I understand you might say thatthey're docile and things like

(58:25):
that and that's, that's cool, uh, but no I get that a lot.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
There's people that will not come over to my house
because of it okay, yeah, theyjust stand the ground.
They're not walking in yeah,they're like, yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
If they do, they're like, I'm gonna stay on this
side and you can be on thathonestly, it doesn't matter,
because if the cage falls overor whatever that thing's out, it
doesn't matter where you're atsee.
Honestly, the best place is onthe street, unless it jumps out
the window at you.
Then it's yeah anyway.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
So I have australia, you'll be fine, see.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
yeah, that's horrible , we have Australian listeners.
Yeah, we had Chris Donamon herea while back and she was
talking about the animals downthere.
Like no, that's no.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
See, no, I want to go there strictly because of all
of that.
So, it's just that is not.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
No.
So Spiders the size of my Ihave big hands.
Okay, like, like they are notsmall.
No, that is.
That is a big arachnid man.
I can't handle that shit theyhad huntsman spiders.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Those are the ones that you're referring to.
They had huntsman spiders at areptile expo a couple years that
I went to that were like thatbig and they were like, oh yeah,
my huntsman spider, and I'mlike I don't want to deal with
that when it gets bigger and Ican't put it into the cage
without it darting oh god, okay,yeah, all right, dw.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
You had a question or something john, are you not
into spiders?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
no okay, all right.
So then if we're stuck in ahouse together after we die, I
know what to scare the crap outof you with.
So two part question have youhad to move recently?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
no, I've been here for a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
The reason I asked is how do you ask a moving company
hey, be careful with thatskeleton in the corner like I
wonder if you've got any weirdlooks of like.
Oh, you want me to put this inthe truck?

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
that's gonna be.
That's gonna be interestingwhen it does happen.
I remember transporting her,like after he shipped him out to
me, and I just remember sittingthere driving home with a big
box of bones in my passengerseat, kind of like wondering
what would happen if I gotpulled over, like oh hey, what's

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in in the box?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
oh my gosh there is this murder that we haven't
solved.
Can you hop in the back seatfor a second?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
yeah, no, and how does that work?
Like I know that if I go tocolorado and I pick up some of
my wonderful thc products and Idrive to minnesota, whether it's
legal in Minnesota or not,whether it's legal in Colorado
or not, the states I need to getthrough to get here.

(01:01:30):
Oh yeah, right.
So I feel I would be likegetting charged with trafficking
or something like that, right?
So if you were pulled over witha box of bones, is there a law
that states that you can't, Iguess, drive human remains from

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state to state?
Not human remains, because Iknow that they have bodies, that
they move from one state toanother and things like that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
I'm saying like there's a lot of legal paperwork
with that too.
Um, I think it's like nopurchasing or selling here in
minnesota, I think, if you drovethrough, a lot of states are
actually still allowingpurchasing and selling uh,
minnesota's at, minnesota's out,georgia's out, louisiana's out.

(01:02:28):
I think there's one other onethat I'm forgetting right now.
I'm just not braining, um, butthere's only, I think, four
states right now that don'tallow it.
Oh, okay, so that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Um they allow human trafficking, but not, you know,
not the dead human remains,right geez, yeah yeah, good job,
minnesota, it's okay.
It's okay if you you know, ifyou traffic underage kids or
whatever for sex slaves, butdon't if they're dead, then it's
a big.
If they're dead, then it's abig.

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Yeah, that's a big deal.
Good job, good job, all right.
I need to preface this byasking, by saying that I'm
asking this not for my ownpersonal preference or the
hearing preferences of everybodyelse, but for my own curiosity.
As I backtrack into theprevious topic harley, are you

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single?
Yes okay, do you?
How often have you dated?

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
I mean I, I guess, I don't know off and on why.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Okay, all right, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
He's engaged, so don't worry about that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
It's honestly.
It's been a lot of work and mykids keep me super busy, so it's
like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
I think he was wondering at what point in the
relationship do you bring up?
So I've got a coffin back at myapartment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Well, not just that, but I'm kind of going into the
psyche of the male as he walksthrough.
That door is kind of where Iwas going with it.
Yes, you're right, dw, in a way, but I'm going back to like,
okay, so you're dating in a way.
But I'm going back to like,okay, so you're dating, things
are good.
You, you know, one or two dates, it traditionally three or four

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, whatever.
If you want to be that way,nowadays it's like 20 minutes
and then you're on on off to theraces.
But the question is but thequestion is what's the reaction?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Well, to be fair, the last guy that I dated had
worked in the funeral industryand he did body transport.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
So he was just fully submersed in it as much as I was
.
I feel like a lot of the people, when they know what I'm, very
forward and they know whatthey're getting themselves into
before they come over.
But there have been like acouple that are legitimately
creeped out by me.
I was like, yeah, I mean Ican't help it, that's just, it's
me, that is that's.
My life entirely revolvesaround death.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
I mean, I kind of feel like it would come up
before you got to the apartmentanyways.
Like they might they might askyou about your tattoos or what
you do or what you want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
And you know, suddenly tarantulas come up and
you're like, oh, I've got a fewof those at my place and yeah,
oh, so yeah I I kind of feellike one person off for sure
smart man, very smart man, Imean I'm just saying, like you
know, if it's anybody involved,smart, smart man, tarantulas is

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a no-go.
If you had tarantulas and thenhad a bat, that'd be even worse.
To be honest, I fucking hatethem.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
They're bad, nasty, you know out of all the things
that I don't have yet I don'thave a bat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Well, you know, I don't know if I should shout
them out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Well, I was going to say if you don't want John to
come over, I don't know if Ishould shout them out or not,
but maybe there's a place inNorth Sioux City Jesus Christ,
don't go there, no offense tothem either.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
But North St Paul, that has 12 vultures.
There's a.
Well, I mean, I don't know,maybe it's it is, it's in a
little corner.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Yeah, that's where I got my first human skull from.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Okay, Fair enough, there's a uh they're amazing
there.
Yeah, there's a place.
I mean there's like a littlebat or whatever in a.
Yeah, it's dead.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
And the in the dome and yep, yep, yeah, that's,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Oh yeah, I was gonna like say, hey, go check them out
, but you obviously already did,so, no, any reason to say
anything about that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
That's cool oh god, I heard about it and I was there
like the next day and it did notdisappoint nice, that's badass.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
So okay, like I was getting you know, when we were
talking about the whole datingthing or whatever, I I knew you
and a lot of people would belike where's he going with this?
But I needed to know.
Like this, like some, some guyssitting across from you and
you're like yeah, I'm really biginto like death and wet
specimens and I'm a witch.
And he's like well, I playchess really well I don't know

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what like, and then you're likechess, that's awesome.
Come back to my place and thenhe's standing there like in his
khakis and his in his buttondown, and he's all like, oh my
god, this place terrifies me Ithink I think they're into the
whole goth chick persona.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
Okay, until they get to my house and then they're
like wow, you're kind ofdemented, like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I mean, you can only, yeah.
So you said goth chick.
I'm going to go off the rails alittle bit more here and kind
of pursue that area.
So you say goth chick.
So I have to ask do you as a?

(01:08:38):
I mean, you're not that muchyounger than me, but do you see
the Cure as being a goth band?

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
I honestly haven't really listened to it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You've never listened to the Cure.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
No, like I probably have, but it's not coming to my
mind.
I do listen to basicallyanything and everything.
I mean I can go from screamy,screamy quote-unquote to
classical.
I go to a lot of metal shows.
I listen to a lot of metal.
I like the old-school hip-hopstuff.

(01:09:13):
I can depend on the day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
That's awesome.
I can't honestly say that I'veever seen a goth chick rolling
down the street now I'm gonnahave to invest in you yeah, I
was gonna say, listening to youknow, dr drace the chronic or
whatever, you know you like oldschool hip-hop and I'm like
that's no yeah or mozart forthat matter.

(01:09:40):
I see Mozart more than I seehip-hop.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
A lot of it is the old school stuff.
They're bangers.
New stuff is just like what areyou saying?
The beat's there, but there'snothing there.
There's no kind of all over theplace.
I.
What are you saying?
The beat's there, but there'snothing there.
There's no Kind of all over theplace.
I and I will listen to someSuicide Boys.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Okay, fair, I was just going to say I and every
other person over the age of 30agree with you with the mumble,
rap of shit, just all right.
Well, we're kind of getting toyou know the part of the uh

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night where people get to uh,get to know you just a little
bit better, even though we justwent through your dating history
and everything you have in yourapartment.
But but, and so I have to askif people wanted to look for
Hard Knock Paranormal and you,harley, where would they find
you?

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
So I'm on Facebook.
I got an Instagram for both.
Hard Knock Paranormal hasFacebook.
I have Facebook.
I have an Instagram.
I go off DeathXByWidow.
Facebook is Harley Jean andHard Knock Paranormal on

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Facebook.
We're always looking for peoplethat are curious and want to
learn more.
To reach out.
Um, we're not one of thosegroups that post a lot on
YouTube.
Um, we're not really here forclicks or views.
We're just more about creatingmemories, learning about the
history, traveling, um, and justreally having a good time with

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it.
Like I said, we've got you knowmyself, felicia, josh I mean,
they're the main three, but wealways have a steady, you know
group of like eight going withto places.
So reach out.
I mean, if you want to join andyou're genuinely, genuinely
curious, we're, we're all aboutincluding.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
So do you guys investigate private places yet?

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
we were kind of asked once and then we never heard
from them again.
We would like to um, but yeah,I mean we've just stuck with the
ones that we've got access toreally.
But uh, we would not be againstdoing private homes and things
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Cool, that'd be really cool.
I do have one more question,and then we got to get on with
the ending part of the show, andyour question for me is this
You're big into death.
You collect human remainsremains.
You collect animal remains.
Are you in the cemeteries?

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oh yeah, absolutely okay we'vewe've done a few of those here
in minnesota too I was gonna askyou which of the cemeteries in
the metro area, because I'massuming if you're like myself
and my lovely queen consort, wekind of go and check out some

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cemeteries in the area.
So if you like cemeteries, youprobably do it too.
So I'm going to ask in themetro area, what cemetery do you
feel has either A, the mostactivity or B, the most
potential to having the highestactivity?

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Does it have to be in the metro?

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Well, I mean no, it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
The two that I am the most fascinated with here in
minnesota.
Uh, one is the old traversecemetery in saint peter.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, there wasthe battle between, um, you
know, the indians and thesettlers, or the natives and the
settlers.
Um, there's a lot of potentialfor energies and things there.

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It's gorgeous, beautiful forlike photography and stuff like
that.
I haven't experienced anythingto be realistic, but I do think
that there's a lot of potentialthere.
But my favorite of I mean my,my go-to, and I've been there
like three times now is BuellCemetery, up in the Iron Range.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Okay, is Buell Cemetery up in the Iron.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Range.
Okay, it's called LakeviewCemetery, but it's also gone by
Buell Cemetery.
It is gorgeous.
There's a mass grave on the oneend of it.
We've experienced a lotEquipment activity.
I mean just experiencing theactivity, hearing things, we've

(01:14:47):
seen things.
Um, there's a lot of room thereto investigate, although I will
say, the last time that we wentthere we were stopped.
So you have to be very carefulout there because they are
keeping an eye on the area.
First, couple times, not somuch.
Second or the third time was a.
Yeah, you guys got to go and itwas really funny because when

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we were going to leave, even thepolice officers were like did
you find anything?
Did you see anything?
So they know it too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
I want to get a cop on here who's had experiences.
I think that'd be awesome, notjust around minnesota or
whatever, I don't care wherethey're at, just come on here
and talk about it, because Iknow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
I know what happens oh yeah, I mean security guards
and stuff at like old hospitals,oh yeah yeah, buddy of mine who
was actually on the show lastyear sometime.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
he was on with my other cohort from Tri-State
Paranormal Services back in theday, mark, he was security at
the hospital in Sioux City, iowa, where I was from.
God, I mentioned it again.
I had to wash my mouth outdouble this time, but anyway.
So, yeah, he's a security guardthere and he had stories damn

(01:16:13):
near every day.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Yeah, so I can see some of the footages that
they've pulled from hospitalsthat they've observed.
You can clearly see stuffmoving and it's just like wow
yeah, it's, it's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
I, I, I travel on the on the road and and tell jokes,
and I, uh, work at a grocerystore.
And no, neither one.
I don't have ghosts in my car,I don't think.
And there's nothing going onwhere I work.
So I don't have anythinginteresting other than listening

(01:16:53):
to you guys talk about yourinteresting stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I mean going from even like the conjuring
house who is, like you know,notoriously known for you know
the haunting.
Even that place doesn't compareto like the hospital that's
down in Iowa.
So I mean it's all you reallyjust got to think of, like the
history behind of behind whereyou're going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Very true.
So the conjuring house, you'vebeen there.
Oh yeah, really Nice, yep, allright, cool, right, cool, uh,
with the current owner.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Uh, yeah, um, fortunately didn't have any
experiences with her, um,because I've been following that
for a while and that kind ofstarted to peak right around the
time that we left there oh, Imean things had started to
escalate a little before we went.
Um, I'm just, I'm just glad thatwe didn't have any run-ins with
her.
Um, the stuff did happen.

(01:17:50):
We had door handles shaking.
We had the basement dooropening.
I did catch something black goacross a doorway on film.
But it's in.
It's a gorgeous place and itwas definitely worth
experiencing.
But I think that uh definitelyneeds to make some changes
before anybody else goes backthere yeah, because what's going

(01:18:13):
on now it's it's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
So, harley, we've come to the point now where
we're gonna get to know you justa little bit more.
Well, not really, it's reallyjust kind of superficial or
whatever.
But we have a thing called thisor that and basically we're
just going to ask you somethingand you, basically, I'm going to

(01:18:37):
ask you two questions and youchoose one.
Okay, are you ready for this orthat?
Yeah, dw, is it my turn or isit your turn?

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I was just wondering that I feel like I went last
time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
so I think it's your turn, so it is my turn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
All right, here we go and we're going to have a hard
knock.
Paranormal harley, um editionof this, this or that, yeah all
right, let's go.
You know what I'm gonna do theexact opposite of the harley

(01:19:17):
edition, because harley's alllike you know.
She's wearing the dark stuffand she doesn't look all like
you know, the whole fluffy bunnything.
So now we're gonna get on theflip side of this.
You ready, bring it barbie orstrawberry shortcake bar Barbie.

(01:19:41):
Okay, care Bears or Glow Worm.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Care Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Awesome.
Now we're going to go toSaturday Morning Cartoons Gummy
Bears or DuckTales.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
DuckTales.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Awesome.
Alright, we're just going to goto cartoons in general
DuckTales.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
DuckTales, awesome.
All right, we're just going togo to cartoons in general.
So Scooby-Doo, where are you?
Or the Flintstones.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Scooby-Doo 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Hell yeah, all right, there we go.
That's what I like to hear.
Okay, all right, be due 100.
Hell yeah, all right, there wego that's what I like to hear.
Okay, all right, now we'regonna go to the darker side of

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harley ready, ready bats ortarantulas bats you pick the
bats about.
Okay, all right, they're cute,I'm terrified.
Just going to be honest.
All right, skeletal remains orfully formed human remains done

(01:21:03):
so well that they were humanremains.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Done so well.
I have to say skeletal.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Okay, just looks spookier, right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
Bones are my thing.
I mean even with animals.
I like the structures.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
All right, so we're going to do an animal question
and another one.
I guess Raccoons or possums.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Possums are my favorite animal.
I actually have a skulltattooed on my chest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Okay, a possum skull, possum skull.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
They're amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
I rescued babies one time.
That was really, really fun.
11 of the 12 made it back tothe wild.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Oh, that's awesome.
That's really cool.
Hell yeah, all right, now we'regoing to go into the fun stuff.
We're going to see what you'regoing to have for breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
Will you have cereal or oatmeal?

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Oatmeal Nice.
Okay.
Have cereal or oatmeal.
Oatmeal, nice, okay.
Toast or bagel, bagel, allright.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Mcdonald's breakfast or hardy's breakfast.
Never had hardy's breakfast, somcdonald's okay, that's, that's
fair.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
If you never had hardy, now I have to say, go
have hardy's breakfast becauseit it's.
Yeah, they would like I wasgonna.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
I'm a bk girl myself, myself, so all right, but but
like hardy's they had like likea biscuits and gravy, like
sandwich.
Oh yeah, my fat ass that is.
Yeah, all right.
So we're going to go into theones that we always go into.
So, whatever, I'll do that.
All right, would you rather goto Disneyland or Universal

(01:22:57):
Studios?

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Universal.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
All right, would you rather go to wonderful Las vegas
, nevada or new orleans?
Oh, new orleans, okay, tentimes over wow, that was quick
too, okay a couple times.
Okay, ghost adventures or ghosthunters ghost hunters all right
, go with the ogs.
I do enjoy Adventures or GhostHunters.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
Ghost Hunters.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
All right, go with the OGs.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
I do enjoy giggling at Zach Bagans.
It's quite comical.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Giggling because he's horrible.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
He's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, because he's dramatic.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yes, all right Now.
I just had to like put on mythinking cap to see what
horrible, disgusting human beingis going to be mentioned in
this question.
All right, are you ready?
All right, john Olson orRichard Kuklinski the Iceman?

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
So I am terrible with names.
I don't even know who eitherone of those are.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
John Olsen is me, but DW is Ha yes, john Olsen is me,
but DW Ha yes.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
The actors.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Oh, that was beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
That was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
No, you did not realize.
This happened once before and Iwas like it is going to happen
again.
I cannot wait for it to happenagain.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
So, thank you, you couldn't have one over the other
because it wouldn't work somyself or see richard kuklinski
was the ice man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
What he was, he was a mob hit man and probably killed
like over a hundred and somepeople.
So you could either choose meas a wonderful, awesome human
being, or richard kuklinski, whoobviously murders people for
money no, I think you're funnierall right, there we go, all
right, even though thedevastating blow earlier it's

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only.
I don't even edit these, Ican't even edit that out.
That's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
That's what's messed up that was awesome that's,
that's a, that's a harleyism.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I do that quite a bit that was, that was good harley,
it's I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
I thought, hang on, I thought you were gonna do
jeffrey dahmer, and then she wasgonna have to think about it
and be like well, jeffrey dahmeralso had an appeal for body
parts, so maybe he and I wouldget along.
You know, I I thought that'swho you would have picked eat
people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
We do have a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
You know right, she has a lot.
She probably would have beenable to have a very intelligent
conversation with him we wouldhave hung out.
We would have hung out in thewoods and, like you know,
preserved wet specimens together, right right, so she has more
in common with him than you, soyou probably would have lost
that one, even though nothingcan top the first round anyways.

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So I'm happy with how thingsturned out.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
I don't know, you are no, and I?
I do not need people actuallybit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
And while I'm thinking of it, just so we can
get it on record, john, uh,since we have a t-shirt for me,
I think we need to have one foryou that says who's john olsen
sounds like a plan, I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I'll do it, don't worry.
It'll be out, like you'rehearing this, probably a week
from now, but it's been out andyou can buy it at crowd made
slash there you go.
All right, harley, you have been.
This has been just as much funas I thought it was going to be.
Uh, I enjoyed, man, like I said, you know, it's one thing to be

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into the paranormal which youare, it's one thing to have the
stories which you do, but it'sanother thing to have all that
interesting stuff.
And when I was like, I seenthat and I'm like all right,
we're gonna talk about thisbecause, yeah, people are gonna
want to know so and that's,that's really cool.

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So all the people out therelisten.
Uh, if you don't live in thefour states that were mentioned
earlier, it's minnesota, georgia.
Where was the other ones?
Do you remember?

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
louisiana, and then there's one other one I can't
remember the other one doesn'tmatter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
It's probably west virginia, it's probably it's.
I'm not gonna.
It's either ohio or westvirginia.
It's probably the truth there,but anyway, if you don't live in
those four states and you wantto do any of this, do it Because
I mean it's cool, it looks cooland it's interesting as hell

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and, trust me, it'll be aconversation piece for your next
date or your futuremother-in-law, which would be
really hilarious In my case themaintenance guy.
Right, or the maintenance guy.
All right, harley, you've beenamazing.
I just want to tell you that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
For having me, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
You're very welcome, so how was your first time it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
was really cool.
No, I geek out about this stuff, so awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Well, I mean, you can geek out and tell all your
friends to geek out as well, allright, well, you know what?
Um, you know what that means.
That means, dw.
Do you have anything else tosay?
No, I'm good all right, hewants to go home.
And with that, I'm gonna haveto say this you guys have been
amazing, we have been Scalariusand we are out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Later.