Ep. 70 Ghost Whispers & Gunslinger Genes: The Outlaw Psychic

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The moment Melissa McCarty joins our conversation, we're thrust into a world where the veil between the living and dead is remarkably thin. Introducing herself as the "Outlaw Psychic," Melissa immediately captivates with spine-tingling stories that blur the boundaries between history, the supernatural, and family legacy.

From her rest home in Oregon where she's recovering from multiple near-death experiences that amplified her abilities, Melissa recounts her first ghostly encounter at just three years old—confronting and banishing a malevolent spirit threatening her infant sister. This early display of strength against supernatural forces set the tone for a lifetime of extraordinary psychic experiences. She explains how her brush with death—surviving two heart attacks, a stroke, and two flat lines—has only strengthened her connection to the spirit world, allowing her to see ghosts with such clarity that she often cannot distinguish them from the living.

But what truly distinguishes Melissa's story is her remarkable heritage. Through meticulous genealogical research, she discovered her biological connection to Wild West legends like Billy the Kid, Jesse James, and lawman Wyatt Earp. This "outlaw blood" runs deep—she recounts chilling moments when the spirits of these historical figures entered her life, including a terrifying encounter with Pat Garrett and other lawmen whose eyes glowed red as they pointed their weapons at her. Most astonishing is her claim that in a past life, she was Billy the Kid's first wife, with marriage records from 1871 to support this connection.

Melissa's psychic abilities extend beyond personal experience. She details her work with law enforcement, including helping solve multiple cases with information she received through psychic impressions. From witnessing murder scenes replayed in spiritual form to helping fellow rest home residents cross over after death, her abilities serve both the living and the dead.

Whether you're a believer in psychic phenomena or a curious skeptic, Melissa's colorful life story—filled with outlaw ancestry, ghostly encounters, and near-death experiences—offers a fascinating glimpse into a world most of us never see. Explore more of her extraordinary journey across her social media channels or through her upcoming books on shamanism and her life as the Outlaw Psychic.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:27):
What's going on?
This is Scalarius, I am JohnOlsen and with me, as always, is
DW, the DW Serene.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
You didn't even.
It didn't even happen.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I know it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You notice that I did not do anything stupid, I just
said your name twice yeah, whydid you need to do that?
I don't know, I just, I justfelt it'd be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
So yeah, go ahead no, I'm uh what's going on oh, not
much.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
What are you drinking there, buddy?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
so today we've got another, uh, hard mountain dew.
Nice um this one.
Where's the flavor?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
another baja blast pineapple I was gonna say it
looks like, uh, I, I can see you, it's a yellow can so yellow
yeah, actually, and I shouldhave said pine, because I think
there is a just regular bajablast thisast.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is Baja Blast Pineapple.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Gotcha All right, cool, very good DW.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And the listeners of Scholaris.
You need to know something.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
This is probably going to be an ongoing thing.
This is probably going to be anongoing thing.
I may have one every once in awhile, but my days of THC
beverages consuming on the showis gone.
What, yeah, how come?

(03:03):
Well, it just so happens, myfriend, that obviously, as you
know, you probably listened tolast week I went over some
medical stuff with everybody,you know, because I went to a
doctor.
How about that Am I?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
right, yeah, some people do that.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
And things were a little high.
My lipids right were sky high.
It may have been because Iwasn't fasting or anything like
that before Things were a littlehigh.
My lipids right were sky high.
It may have been because Iwasn't fasting or anything like
that before, but better to besafe than sorry, right?
So I just feel at my age it'stime to like take a look at the
saturated fats in certain foods,sugars in certain foods and

(03:44):
stuff like that.
And it turns out that the THCdrinks that I was drinking a
whole hell of a lot of, weretalking.
I might have had one or twoduring an episode, but I was
still drinking them, you know,not during episodes, like just
drinking them, plus, you know,eating gummies and edibles and

(04:07):
whatever.
Just who?
Uh, it turns out they're justchock full of sugar and because
they were chock full of sugar,obviously that's going to make
your triglycerides andeverything raise up and we can't
have that right now and Iwholeheartedly disagree with
this.
But there was a study that wasconducted on people who use a

(04:36):
lot of THC and that they arehigher percentages to get heart
disease.
Like I said, I wholeheartedlydisagree with that because I
know for a fact you know KevinSmith.
Yeah, if he wasn't high when hehad his heart attack he would

(04:58):
have been dead Like it was legit.
So I don't I disagree, butI'm'm just gonna cut back a
little bit, not on edibles andthings like that, but I'm gonna
stop drinking the drinks like Ihad been drinking.
I might have a couple, but thethere you're gonna hear at the

(05:20):
beginning of the episode is notgonna be me drinking a THC drink
.
I will be most likely drinkingwater or some sort of watery
beverage.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
So well, and I not knowing the details of the study
, I'm guessing part of it ismaybe not so much the THC of the
drink, but everything else thatgoes in it.
Yeah, so like say, for instance, mine, you know it's a hard

(05:55):
Mountain Dew Well, actually,this one's zero sugar, so this
isn't a good example.
But I'm just trying to think of, like, say, you have a beverage
like mine, it's not so much thealcohol, it's everything else
that goes with it, right?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
and I just, uh, I happen to look at some of the
recent ones that I've had, andthey were 40 and 50 grams of
sugar per right, right so soagain, again, not, maybe not.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, I'm sure the thc might play some part in that
, but if you've got whateverplus 50 grams of sugar, yeah,
not so good yeah so, but don'tworry guys, it's not like I'm
not ingesting thc in some form.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Um, I I do have edibles and I'm eating them, so
it is that I'm just not going tobe doing the drinks for now.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
So you know another thing.
I know it's not quite related,but kind of in the same way.
I, a couple years ago now, gota vitamix.
By the way, they're fantastic.
That was when I started lookingat the, because the half pretty
much half the reason I got oneis to make soup with it.

(07:20):
You can make hot soup with aVitamix and it blew me away.
I was like I gotta see this.
I started looking at the labelsof canned soup at the store,
yeah, and I never realized howmuch sodium is in those things,
like there's some, even the onesthat are, you know, claimed to
be healthy and you know, organicand stuff like that progressive

(07:43):
uh right, what a progresso,right?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
not progressive and not progressive is the insurance
.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, um, but some of them are like almost your
entire daily intake of sodium.
It's like almost 100 sodium soyou can.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
you can down two cans and it'd be like 100 calories.
But you're right, you're goingto be bloated for the next four
days anyway.
So I mean so shout out toVitamix.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Ever since I got one.
I can't remember the last timeI had, you know, a can of soup
like it, and not to mention thetaste.
Do you have a taste of freshsoup?
It's like oh my gosh, I didn'trealize.
This is what tomato soup issupposed to taste like, and just
so everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Look at your labels on your food.
Yeah, look at the saturated faton your food, especially the
stuff that's um, I, I shout outto halo top.
It has the best ice cream onthe face of the planet, I feel.
It's low calorie, it's great,right, the saturated fat is

(08:52):
through the freaking roof.
So, uh, halo top is not goingto be something I'm going to be
having, for you know a lot of it.
So myself and the queen consort, we've been looking at
different things to kind ofstill so we can still have food
that we want to have, but, youknow, make it to where, uh, my

(09:14):
the cholesterol goes down, thesaturated fat goes down, things
like that.
And one of those is homemadeice cream that you make from
fair life uh, milk which is highprotein, milk with oh with some
sugar-free pudding mix and icein xanthan gum, which is

(09:36):
something that they put in icecream anyway so you
can you, could, you can get itand you know whatever.
So, uh, yeah, good stuff, allthat, all that good stuff, and
we're just gonna mix it all upand do whatever we can with it
and yeah.
So uh just wanted to make thatlittle, I guess, announcement.

(09:58):
It took about five minutes, uh,to let you guys know that I'm
not drinking the thc drink, notgoing to be doing it for a
little bit.
May have one every once in awhile, but it's not going to be
every episode.
So, sorry, guys, if anybody wasinterested in what kind of
drink I was having today, it'sfrom our friends at the awesome

(10:22):
Quick Trip in Minnesota.
Uh, you know, minnesota,wisconsin, iowa, all those guys,
maybe even some of michigan not100, sure, uh, nature's touch
grape water, which is, uh, yeah,that's it's, it's a good little
thing plus regular old water,water so that's so if you if you

(10:44):
all of a sudden become lessinteresting in these episodes.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's why because you had to stop your.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
That's funny.
I like that less interesting.
Yeah, like nobody we have.
We have done 70 freakingepisodes dw and not a single
person has ever said john is myfavorite, so let's just throw
that out there.
Okay, just just saying, um,based on the fact we've done 70

(11:11):
episodes, uh, you know, I don'tknow.
We, we, we've, we, we've trieddifferent things.
You know like we, you know wetell people, you know where to
get merch and stuff like thatwhich is like at crowdmadecom
forward slash collections,forward slash sclarious pod

(11:32):
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(11:55):
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You can do that.
We've been telling all thesepeople this stuff for this long.
Also, we've been saying like,hey, you know, we're gonna do
this whole like subscribe thingand when you subscribe we're
gonna give you extra content.
That's coming, by the way.
You act like it's not coming.
You act like it's not, it'scoming.
Pretty, one of these daysyou're gonna have an episode on

(12:16):
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It's gonna say subscriber onlyand you're gonna be like what
the hell am I gonna do?
I can't do anything because I'mnot a subscriber.
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I'm just I'm just saying it's,it's coming, I guarantee you
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(12:38):
And another thing you might bedoing, just, you know, shooting
the breeze.
Another thing you might bedoing is wondering what myself
and DW are doing.
Like you know, maybe you'rewondering this when you're
listening to the episode.
Or maybe you're home alone atnight eating your Halo Top or
probably Ben Jerry's, and you'relike, hey, I wonder what DW's

(13:01):
doing.
You know, I wonder what John'sdoing.
Well, you can find out, butfirst you should go to DW, dw
Serene Comedian on Facebook.
You can go to me at John OlsenComedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both togetheron Facebook not a couple.
But no, we are not a couple.
You can find us at theScolarius page also.

(13:22):
We do have a TikTok, it'scalled Scolarius 8 yeah, and
Instagram.
You can find us at thescolarius page also.
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Say hey, john is my favorite,john, for once.
Say john, john is my favoriteof the cogos.

(13:42):
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You can do that by going toscolari's pod at gmailcom or, if
you wanted to, and only if youwanted to, no pressure, you can
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Yeah, at scolari's pod dotbuzzsproutcom.

(14:03):
You can do that, can't they?
Dw?
Yep, they can.
Um, you know, I was thinking we,uh, we're gonna have a couple
weeks here, we're, we're notgonna have a guest, okay, two in
a row actually, and that'sgonna be okay, that's gonna be
fine.
Uh, because you know, me, meand dw, we have we things we can

(14:23):
talk about.
Right, right, right, buddy, wedo, yeah, of course we do, and
that's what we're going to bedoing Specifically next week
when we talk about hauntedhotels.
That's right, it doesn't matterwhere the hotel is.
It's going to be haunted?
I don't know, probably not, butI'm just saying it's going to be
haunted hotels, covering, well,not all of them.

(14:45):
I can't cover all of thembecause that's just ridiculous.
There's so many haunted hotels,there's a lot of them, but
we're going to cover a few, andsome of them are going to be
right here in this great stateof Minnesota, and you know some,
obviously outside, some famousthat you know, you might know
Some you might not know, okay,and then, and then we are going

(15:12):
to do an episode on hauntings ofukraine, which does cover
chernobyl, by the way.
That's pretty bad okay all right, I'm going to go back to my
Queen Consort's ancestries rightthere in Chernobyl.
You know what I'm saying youknow what I mean?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, maybe, no, I know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's a joke.
Not this, but the joke I tell.
I can't get that for free, yougotta pay.
All right, the joke.
I tell what?
I'm right.
Yeah, yeah, I remember, I can'tget that for free, you gotta

(15:56):
pay.
Um, oh, all right.
Well, I suppose that was ahorrible lead into to this, but
I mean, why not?
Uh, our guest this week is just, I mean, honestly, pretty
amazing.
Uh, she has a lot of titles, alot of titles, and I'm just
gonna go through a few of them.
Okay, psychic medium, energyhealer.
Uh, background actress forwestern films, which is Also a

(16:16):
shamanic ancestor.
Okay, and, and, and the one andonly Outlaw Psychic.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcomeMelissa McCarty.

(16:38):
Melissa, how are you today,melissa?
How are you today, melissa?
How are you today?
Melissa's not here with ustoday, apparently.
It's okay, we're going to pausefor dramatic effect.

(17:03):
Yeah, that's what it is.
That was a great lead-in too.
That was a great intro, don'tyou?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
think Well, she's got a lot of credentials to read.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, she does, and everybody's gone.
They all left.
There was several SeveralMelissa's there in a row and now
there's not a single Melissa,but hopefully she will be back
really soon.
You know, this is okay.
So a little bit of sclerosishere.

(17:30):
We do this show, we do thisshow.
We do it live to tape.
Okay, so when you're doingthings live to tape, anything
can happen, and unfortunatelyconnectivity issues is one of
them.
And guess what happened?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
We lost.
Oh wait, just as I was about tosay that, we see an image come
back on.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
There's an image, but is there an audio?
We need to know, inquiringminds Need to know there we go,
there we go, okay so.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Sorry about that Signal dropped.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's alright.
Again, I'm going to ask this.
Like I said, this is great.
This is why I love live to tape, because anything can happen,
and that's what happened.
So, melissa McCarty, how areyou tonight?

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Hey, I'm good.
I'm good, I can't complain.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Okay, okay, you can't complain, but will you?

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I don't know Depends on what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, we're here to talk about you.
That's the fun thing, um, youknow you're, you're, you're here
and, yeah, might as well divedeep if we can, if we can.
So you have a lot ofcredentials.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Tell us about it.
Well, this is my 67th podcastappearance, obviously, and in
fact I counted them up today andI realized today is my 67th
appearance on a podcast, so I'mreally actually very excited.
I've got a new podcast comingup with one of my friends.

(19:28):
She's a tarot reader, I'm apsychic medium and we're doing,
um, basically a podcast aroundum, things that like mysteries,
if you will, that are very muchyou know, almost unsolved, if

(19:54):
you will like.
The thing with Gene Hackman.
I picked up on some informationthat has been verified through
the media.
Every time I turn aroundthey're saying something I'm
going.
I knew that ahead of time.
Uh-huh, I knew that ahead oftime.
I knew that ahead of time, youknow, and there are some details

(20:16):
I can't talk about right nowthat we're kind of going to pick
up on in the podcast, but thisis going to really interest some
people.
No, I don't feel that it wasnatural causes, folks.
I truly don't.
I'm sorry.

(20:38):
And that will prove out in thepodcast.
We'll be discussing thatfurther.
And, by the way, you saidsomething about Hyatt Hotels.
I love the St James.
The St James is my home awayfrom home.
I love that place Down inSimarang, New Mexico, great

(20:58):
outlaw hideout place.
All my ancestors in spirit comethere to rendezvous.
Even in life they did.
They went there to gamble andrendezvous and all that they
still do in spirit.
They're still there.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's awesome, I love it.
We may cover St James, but Idon't think it's going to be
there.
It's a possibility we mighttouch on it, but the St James
we'll cover most definitely isgoing to be in Red Wing,
minnesota.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Because that's quite haunted.
Uh, I want to say james timero,new mexico.
That is my home away from home.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Love y'all so I want to touch a little bit on on gene
.
Okay, that's weird, okay, but II want to go back to gene
hackman for a second.
Uh, yes, great, great actor Wasin some great movies.
Royal Tenenbaums is wonderful,obviously the French Connection,
but I know him as the greatestcriminal mind of all time.

(21:59):
Lex Luthor, oh, Lex Luthor yeah, and he will always be my Lex
Luthor, and rest in peace, geneHackman, I know heuthor, yeah,
and he will always be my LexLuthor, and you know rest in
peace, Gene Hackman.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I know he's 94.
Absolutely Rest in peace, bud.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
He's 94 years old.
People are like how did he die?
He's 94.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean I understand, like you know, yeah, he didn't
have long to go anyway, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, there might have beenother issues and everything, but
still he, you know he was, hewas older, um, so it brings up

(22:35):
an interesting comment.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
You said that the st james in new mexico.
New mexico, hi guys, I love you.
So, uh, you said that's yourhome, away from home.
Where is your home?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
well, right now I'm in beaverton o and I'm living in
a rest home.
I'm paralyzed from the waistdown.
My family put me here because Iwas to a point I couldn't take
care of myself.
And now I'm kind of to thepoint of where I'm starting to
get used to this and I've gotdiabetes too, kidney disease,

(23:01):
pancreatitis oh my God, I've gotso many different things.
Uh, uh, neuropathy, the wholething.
I was in the hospital for sevenmonths.
I kicked uh, diabetic coma,pancreatitis, kidney disease,
hep C, had a stroke yeah, stroke.

(23:24):
Two heart attacks, two flatlines, a seizure, all that stuff
.
And I kicked all that.
And I'm still here.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Jeez, oh yeah, that's badass.
Good job, good job, kicking it.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
And now I'm just battling the diabetes too, which
I'm trying to kick that rightnow I'm trying to kick the
neuropathy.
Uh, that's not working too well, unfortunately, but you know
well, I'm sorry to hear aboutall your problems.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
That that is uh, but I'm glad you're doing, you're
doing okay with with a goodportion of it.
So, um, I I have a couplequestions.
Number one yeah, you're, you'rea psychic medium, so therefore,
does it did any of yourexperiences with any of that

(24:17):
stuff?
I mean, it's multiple strokes,multiple heart attacks, all that
did that.
Um, no, it's just one strokeand two heart attacks.
Um, all that Did that increaseyour?

Speaker 5 (24:24):
No, it was just one stroke and two heart attacks and
two flat lines, one more flatline than ever.
My family, said that I had diedand all that.
Well, my family said I died,but I came back.
I said well, you made me comeback.
I don't know why y'all made mecome back, but you made me come
back.
I didn't want to come back, youwere supposed to let me go.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
That was like my time , you know.
Oh well, that's a way to lookat it.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I guess I told him look when it's my time, it's my
time.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Let me go, you know, Wow.
So did any of that stuffincrease your psychic abilities
at all?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yes, yes, while I've been here, I've had a ghost
literally walk twice, two timeswalk straight through my room
and yes, I saw it both times.
Wow, yes, I heard it both timesWow.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, I heard it both times Mm-hmm.
Okay, so I was just going tosay if you're in a rest area,
not a rest area, that's horrible.
Rest home.
You're in a rest home, yeah.
It would be a horrible time,like that would be a horrible
place to live.
By the way is a rest area, butanyway, so you're in a rest home
and I'm assuming, uh, there arepeople in the older generation

(25:51):
there that are.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
yes, yes, some of them.
In fact we've had two residentspass since I've been here.
Um one of them I actuallyhelped to cross.
You know, I heard the deathrattle.
I literally heard one of theresidents.
I heard the death rattle andyou'll know the death rattle
because it'll go.
You know kind of a rattling intheir throat area and I heard

(26:19):
the death rattle, physicallyheard it, and I said it's okay
to go, don't be afraid.
Your loved ones are waiting,you're okay, you're safe.
Oh, and he left.
He just went and I'm glad hewent peacefully.
He went in his sleep, so thatwas good.

(26:40):
Uh, his last couple three weeksbefore he left was not good.
He was scared and I meanterrified, and I had to
literally talk to him and saylook, it's okay, I've been to
where you're going.
Yeah, I actually crossed out ofmy body two times previous to

(27:02):
this time wow and I told himlook, I've been where you're
going, it's okay, you don't haveto be afraid anymore, you don't
have to be scared.
Your loved ones are waiting,you are safe, you're okay, you

(27:22):
know.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
So I talked him over um, okay, so your, your psychic
abilities, you know you're ableto talk to spirits, you're able
to talk people over into thespirit realm, things like that.
Um, so that, so that hingesmore towards the mediumship of

(27:45):
the old.
So I have to ask this you havehad psychic abilities.
You have said for 45 years,right?

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yes, actually it's been all my life 45 and 48 years
, because everything kind ofstarted.
When I was three years old Isaw my very first ghost, and I
mean ghost.
48 years, because everythingkind of started when I was three
years old I saw my very firstghost, and I mean ghost.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Wow, and where was that?
Was that at your house?

Speaker 5 (28:15):
That was at my childhood home in Northridge
California.
I remember like it wasyesterday.
The thing was like dark.
I mean, this was like a darkspirit had a veil over the coast
from head to toe and it waslike really it was weird and it

(28:36):
tried to go after my infantsister.
I said, oh no, you don't.
No, uh, uh, uh, see, play inthat game.
No, no, no, no.
So I said no, get out, out, out, out, go leave, get out of my
house.
You're not welcome here.
You are not wanted.
Get out now.

(28:56):
And it left damn.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I mean, I can see why I'm I'm terrified, I I think I
want to leave right now.
Um, not really, no, I'm justsaying you, you did it's
convincing, you, you did well.
Um, so was it a ghost?
That was not nice is, or whatis it?

Speaker 5 (29:18):
I don't know, because it took the basket oh well,
this one's gonna be a fun one,dw, because it took the best.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Uh-oh, this is going to be a fun one, dw.
Holy moly, this is going to begood People are going to.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
She might be back already.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
We have way too many Sopranos moments in this thing,
not this thing in general, sorry.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Anyway, sorry, my thing dropped out again.
Um, it took the basket that myparents had on the end of their
bed for my then infant sister.
No, you're not welcome here,get out.

(30:07):
If you're going to do this totry to make us afraid you're not
succeeding, you're not welcomehere, get out, get out, get out,
get out, get out, leave, begone.
Goodbye, you know.
And it never came back.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I wish I would have done that, because I grew up in
a haunted house and I didn't dothat.
I just hid under my covers andthen ran away from the lady.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
You can actually, if you don't want a spirit, if you
don't want a spirit around you,you can tell it leave, get out,
don't come back.
And do it convincingly, bereally.
You have to really be strong todo this, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Wow, we got to like okay.
So, first of all, I want tothrow this back, because you
know, this is a paranormalcomedy podcast and I can't, if
I'm not going to make littlejokes and whatever about
anything, then where's thecomedy in that?
So right, I want to say this uh, if I were you and you're going

(31:10):
to continue to do podcasts, Iwould tell whatever rest home
you're in to get a freakingwi-fi booster for you, because,
like it's, whatever's happeningis that I can't, unless it's
just our podcast that ishappening too.
I don't know, it's not, it'snot it's everyone that I do.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I try and get it to a point in my room where you know
it's like you know it's thestrongest signal I can get you
know.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
And I don't want to go out there because it's too
much noise you know, right, Igot you.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, you might want to open a window and put your
phone on it.
I yeah, you might want to opena window and put your phone on
it.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't have a window inhere I can do that with,
unfortunately.
Okay, yeah, that's probablypart of the reason, all right,
so I want to dive into a littlebit about your other stuff.
Obviously, the mediumship.

(32:00):
So we've had plenty of mediumson here, plenty.
We've had a few.
We've had a of mediums on here.
We've had a few.
We've had a few mediums on hereand everybody says that
everybody could have this giftas being a medium, which you
know I'm skeptical on, but, dw,did you hear that I'm skeptical

(32:20):
on it.
So, but I have to ask this isyour gift, the mediumship, uh,
so in tune, that you cannot tell, because I'll get back to this,
but you that you can't tell ifit's a real person or a dead

(32:42):
person, or I shouldn't say aliving person, exactly, yeah, no
, I cannot tell the differencewhen I really something, I see
it like.
I see you yeah, well, that's Imean we can.
I could be a ghost we don'tknow um, at least I know, but
there is someone behind you.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I'm sorry to fright.
I don't mean to frighten you,but there is someone behind me.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I just I mean it.
It is what it is.
I can't I mean good for that.
As long as they're cool, I'mI'm cool with them, that's all
yeah, no, no, they're justwatching.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
They're cool, they're good sounds good to me.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I'm not going to piss around with it because you know
the Queen Consort would freakout and then we'd have to move.
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
No, tell her there's nothing to worry about.
You're safe, okay.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
She'll hear this maybe.
I do say maybe.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
There's nothing to worry about.
You are safe.
Yes, there's someone behind youand I can see them.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You can see them okay , so I need to know what they
look like well, they'rerelatively tall, kind of
somewhat thin.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Uh, this seems to be a little bit of an older lady
and um, she's standing likeright over this shoulder.
I don't know what that is toyou, but anyway, um, yeah there,
no, right there, that one,right there so you're left

(34:20):
you're pointing at her, yeahit's a tall, thin woman kind of
thin sort of um.
She's got like a low, almostv-neck uh blouse on I don't know
if this is v-neck, with like ahigher color or something, with

(34:42):
like darker color something andthen a lighter color, but she's
got kind of like a higher collarand her hair is pulled back.
She's not of this era.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
She is not of this era let me ask you a question um
is she older or is she younger?
No, she's older how old wouldyou say?

Speaker 5 (35:06):
um, I want to say maybe in about.
She presents herself to me aslike in her 50s or 60s.
I'd say somewhere in there 50sor 60s.
I don't know who this is to you.
Yeah, she's got her hair pulledback, she's got darker hair and
yeah, she presents kind of 50sor 60s somewhere in there.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Is she?
Wait, hold on.
So do you think she's a familymember?

Speaker 5 (35:37):
I think so.
I think she's like an ancestor.
Yeah, I want to say maybe late1800s, early 1900s.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
You know I was going to say is she hot?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
But knowing that she's probably a family member,
is probably not the best way ofdoing it.
So you know I was sitting there.
I was going to say is she?

Speaker 3 (35:54):
hot, but knowing that she's probably a family member,
it's probably not the best wayof doing it.
So you know we've talked aboutspectrophilia before but you
know it's probably not good ifit's a ghost that is a family
member.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Sorry, but anyway, she's a relative, that's just.
I can't respond.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
She's a relative, I'm welcome welcoming to any and
all relatives.
I want to come hang out with me, unless they're freeloaders, I
don't't want that.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
No, no, this one's not a freeloader, this is an
ancestor.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Alright, very cool.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
This is absolutely not a freeloader.
This is an ancestor.
Your guides are around you realheavy too.
I'm really feeling them.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
My guides.
Okay, I'm digging this now.
Angels ancestors yes, all right, hear me out just like me.
You have a little bit of an armyaround you, so I mean I can see
that, um, in a way, but guides,because I'm gonna be perfectly
honest with you, I they might behitting that thC just as much

(37:13):
as I am Just just throwing itout there because, um, oh my God
, my life has taken not verygood.
I mean, they were those pathsthat were, that were walked,
were not, were not fun.
So I mean, if they were my guys.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Well, we never, ever walk a straight line path.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's never straight line.
Believe me, I'm kind ofinterested in this.
Now, to be honest with you,this might turn into the to the
melissa vicarney john show,because dw's over there all.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
But here I I'm interested in this because you
know well, it's me she startedwith hey, you've got someone
behind you, and then you know, Iknow it works out, it's fine,
so don't do me, by the way, myyeah my wife is even less
understanding than than john'sso maybe, yeah, well it doesn't

(38:07):
matter we all have.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
We all, we all have ancestors, guides, angels around
us at all times.
All of us do.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
It doesn't matter who it is, we all do oh well, I
mean I'm interested, Likehonestly, I'm interested in mine
because I'd like to know, likeI mean I don't know.
I'd like to know what they'rethinking, because if they're
guiding me, they they're notthinking clearly, most

(38:38):
definitely.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Well, they gave you this life, so be happy with it,
okay.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I'm cool with it, trust me, I'm.
I'm fine with the life for forthe most part.
What I'd not like?
To work incredibly hard everyday and still make a lot of
money, absolutely.
But you know I'll do what I cando until then.
Um, all right, so you'reobviously your mediumship is
pretty good.
Um, tell me about your psychicabilities and your mediumship

(39:11):
together.
So, um, do you do anything orhave you done anything for the
police or anything like that?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Yes, I have.
I've actually done as many asfour cases already.
Well, there's actually morelike eight of them now, but the
three that are my biggest aregoing to be the Kit Carson co-op
robbery, taos, new Mexico, thatmade the AP wire.
The second that the co-oppresident said we've been robbed

(39:42):
.
I had to step outside because Iwas already getting downloads
of information about the caseand I had to leave just after
they just let out.
My then husband said you knowthat it's like look, we got to
wait a little bit.
I said no, this is not going towait.
I'm sorry, we've got to go andwe have to go now.

(40:04):
He's like you're sure.
I said you ought to know me bynow.
Of course, yeah, we got to go,like now, like I'm receiving
downloads of information aboutthis, I've got to get home,
write it all down, call theco-op president, call the police
and say look, here's what'sgoing down.
If you need any other help,call me, call me, call me and

(40:29):
they called you and then theHoly Cross, convent Fire and
Murder case.
I worked that one and I gave theinformation to law enforcement,
did what I had to do.
They never called me.
Of course, a few weeks laterthere was some sort of something

(40:50):
going on.
I don't remember what it wasnow, but there was something
going on and my husband well, mythen husband and I were there
and I actually met up with thechief of police.
I said look, you're the policechief, right?
He goes.
Yeah, I goes.
Well, you remember these twocases?
He goes.
Yeah, I goes.
Well, guess what?
That was my information thatbroke it.

(41:12):
You should have seen the look onhis face.
It was absolutely priceless.
I wish I'd have taken a photo.
His eyes went wide, colordrained from his face.
Jaw hit the floor.
He goes, that was you.
I goes, mm-hmm.
He said well, you do know, theDA bungled the case in the co-op
robbery.
I goes.

(41:33):
When I found out the DA bungledthe case, I was so mad, I was
off, you know.
I mean I was not a happy camper.
And what was more, the ladywell, I don't want to call her a
lady exactly the suspect thatactually started the whole thing

(42:00):
with the co-op robbery.
Guess what?
I walked right past her andmade eye contact with her.
Yeah, not a pleasant feeling.
Yeah, not a pleasant feeling.

(42:22):
Wow, and about a year, year anda half later, the case
information on both cases cameout.
My now ex-husband read thedetails to me.
I sat there with my jaw on thefloor just in shock, going what
do you mean?
I'm that good, what?

(42:43):
No, that can't be possible.
No psychic is ever that damngood Ever.
I don't care what psychic it is.
I only missed on one case threeminor details.
On the other, just one minordetail.
And then when I went back toHoly Cross Convent after the

(43:04):
fire to say goodbye, you know,pay my respect, say goodbye, you
know all that I saw the youngman that had been killed.
I actually saw his spirit.
Oh, yes, I did With a lady nun.
She was African-American, fullhabit and everything.
And in tears I asked are youready to go?

(43:27):
And this still breaks me up tothis day, I'm sorry.
And he said yes, yes, I saidit's okay, we're going to be
fine.
We know you'll be watching overall of us.
In spirit, we know it's okay togo.
And I said, ma'am, you can takehim over now, you can cross him

(43:51):
, it's okay to go.
And she nodded at me and theyleft and that was it wow, you
saw that you were right there Iwas right there when it happened
.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Wow, how many people do you still kind of breaks me
up to this day, you know I cantell.
I'm sorry, that's uh.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
We wanted to give you a minute here because you know
I could tell you're upset I meanI didn't want to know really
anyone had murdered, but I knew.
When I saw that spirit, I knewand I went to the police but I
said, well, you have to knowthere's someone that's in that

(44:32):
building that did not make it.
And they're like how do youknow?
I'm like, I'm psychic, I just Iknow.
This is just something I knowand sure enough about.
Like I said, about a year, yearand a half later it came out in
the paper and he found him.

(44:54):
He found him.
Wow.
Unalived, found his body in theashes.
It turns out that threehomeless people had gone into
the basement, had a pizza party,alcohol, the whole thing, and
two others that were with himstabbed him to death and

(45:17):
unalived him.
That's how he went.
He was dead before the placestarted on fire, right oh yeah,
In fact they burned the place tothe ground to cover up the
murder.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
And you saw this.
Yeah, wow, we had a guest a few, probably a few months back now
, um that she was a medium andshe said that she could see a
murder that happened over andover and over again in a certain
spot, like so basically onreplay, but she could see it

(45:55):
over.
Remember that dw, it wascolleen, right, it was um medium
red.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I've seen that happen.
There was a place I was workingat in arizona.
It was real, real, real lateand I was, you know, working on
the uh silverware, and it was ata restaurant that was a
historic building and there weretwo spirits that were fighting,

(46:26):
I mean literally fighting eachother, and it just it made me so
uncomfortable and one beat theother literally to death, to
death and hold up.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
If you're already a ghost and you get beat to death,
are you?
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (46:49):
they were reliving that moment over and over again,
you see what I'm saying yeah,yeah, no and it made me really
uncomfortable.
I told my boss look, this iswhat I'm seeing she's like.
Well, how would you know?
I said I'm a psychic medium, Ijust know this stuff.
I've been doing this since Iwas three years old.
This is making me reallyuncomfortable.

(47:10):
Can I work in another roomplease, because I just I can't
me really uncomfortable.
Can I work in another roomplease, because I just I can't
this energy is just I.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I can't work like that.
So let me ask you I I have toask you this because I mean,
it's obvious on at this point.
Um, when you tell people you'rea psychic medium and you you
said it just very loudly you'relike I'm a psychic medium.
You said, you said it just veryloudly.
You were like I'm a psychicmedium.
You said, you said it to thecop.
You said it's your boss there.
Like what is the reaction whenyou say that?

Speaker 5 (47:41):
um, basically they're like well, for whatever reason,
you're good, you know andthey're like well, and the boss
was like we've had people tellus that before and I said you
mean, I'm right she goes, you'renot only right, you're dead on,

(48:03):
I go, oh whoa, Okay, yeah, Iencountered in Tucson, arizona,
the ghost of Frank Stilwell thatwas killed by none other than
my cousin, wyatt Earp.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hold up Wait.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Well let me tell you the circumstance.
Let me tell you thecircumstance.
We were driving past the oldtrain station and I knew nothing
about that murder at the time.
I knew nothing about it.
No details, no, nothing.
All I know is I encountered avery, very cold energy and I got
the impression Frank Stilwell.

(48:43):
I did not know who that was,didn't know anything about him,
nothing.
And then I come to find outlater who it was and what the
significance was.
And then later on, a few years,I find out I'm related to Wyatt
Earp.
I go, oh okay, now things areadding up, making sense, pieces

(49:06):
falling into place, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, okay, that's crazy.
What?
Yeah, okay, how you have to.
We can't skip this, because howare you related to Wyatt?

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Earp.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
He is my times nine great cousin biological so on
your violet, okay, on your dad'sside dad's side, dad's mom's
mom's side, dad's mom's mom.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Her family is extremely historic um any like
all the outlaws known to history, all the lawmen practically
known to history from the oldwest.
They're all blood related to us, all of them wow all of them

(50:00):
and I have genealogicallyresearched this.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It's all in my paperwork yeah, if anybody read
the intro that I had, orlistened, heard it before I was
telling you I may not have saidgenealogist, but it's is there.
So you're a genealogist.
You look through all this stuff.
Your family tree branches outto everybody.
We're talking like Billy theKid.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Billy the Kid is my times nine great cousin, also
biological.
Jesse Woodson James is mygreat-great-grandfather and I
found this out quite by accidentactually, and there is a story
behind this.
I was looking online forsomething else.
I don't remember what it was atthe moment.
I was looking for something onthe computer at my grandmother's

(50:46):
house and I happened upon mygreat-grandfather Joseph Henry
Clark's information and I saidwhere does this information look
familiar?
I've seen this somewhere before.
So I goes okay, we can't findhis family.
So I look into Jesse James'tree and there's Jesse James Jr.

(51:10):
I look at both of them, I startcomparing those.
Oh, there's Jesse James Jr.
I look at both of them, I startcomparing those.
Oh, okay, now things are makingsense, because when people
would ask Grandpa Joseph HenryClark about the family history,

(51:34):
well, guess what?
He would clam up, get veryangry and not talk about it.
And I can understand why.
Now it's because why would hewant to talk about that history?
I?
Don't know.
And the records literallyoverlapped and my reaction was

(52:00):
uh oh, I called my parents.
I said you might want to seethis, so this is my father's
father's line, jesse's myfather's father and everyone
else is my father's mother, soyeah and then obviously you have

(52:24):
the youngers and the daltonsalso on my father's father and,
yeah, it's crazy, we havepractically everyone.
and I'm going to as an addendumto that um, I was in wyoming
when I was living in cheyenneand I happened across the family

(52:45):
trees of none other than billhickok and calamity jane turns
out bill hickok is actuallyrelated up the line to Jesse
James.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah, Gosh, they're all related.
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
That would be nuts, all of them, all of them were
blood related to each other.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, so what you're saying is being an outlaw is
genetic.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Very genetic.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I wonder what my family lineage is, if I'm the
way I am.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
You're going to have to look into that.
You're going to have to lookinto that, I was told.
I was told, and what really gotme started on all this was I
was told by an Apache elderspotted there love you, grandpa,
spy bear and his wife.

(53:42):
I was in Wyoming.
They said you're NativeAmerican, look into it.
I've had many an elder native,whether they be shamanic or
whatever you know.
I've had many a native elder.
Tell me, by the way, you'renative.
It's like no, you could knockme over with a feather, really.

(54:06):
And at the time I knewabsolutely freaking nothing
about it.
So, age 21, I sit down withinformation, I type it into the
computer, and then I sit downwith information, I type it into
the computer, and then I sitdown and start praying.
I said, look, if you want to befound, now's it.
Now is it.
Either I'm going to find you ornot.

(54:26):
If I don't, oh well, you know,c'est la vie.
If I do, well, okay.
And so I waited and waited andwaited.
About seemed like an eternity.
There was only a few minutes.
Out comes this entire huge treeand I'm going, wow.
And I look a few pages back,sure enough, there's the native

(54:50):
relation.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
They knew, the elders knew wow and see, like I don't.
You know how I know what I know.
It didn't involve anything withelders like that, for it was me
and ancestrycom.
But I will say this uh, I foundout that on my father's side,

(55:15):
like it's straight I mean not astraight line or anything, but
it's, it is, doesn't branch out.
Yeah, it does too branch.
I was saying it's straight likethere, nobody, nobody was out
of norway, like you know, likeit was like all the way up to.
They traced it back to like 1136.

(55:37):
All norwegian right down there.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Back to him, who now?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
that's my, uh, that's my father, my dad's side, my
dad he's straight, or he, Ithink I.
I think he's 50, he's 50, whichmakes me a quarter, I think, if
, whatever but, um, yeah, he's,he was very north norrisian, uh,
you know, so he.

(56:07):
he didn't talk of the accent,but my, my, my grandfather, he
did, you know.
Oh, yeah, honey, one time hecut his thumb off sincerely with
the lawnmower.
He knocked on our door becausehe lived across the street from
us.
He knocked on our door and Ianswered it and he's like, and
he had his thumb in his freakinghand In his other hand.

(56:30):
Oh gosh.
He was gangrene, he was like 80at that time, probably years,
you know, 75, whatever, but itwas just, it was hilarious, he
was a great guy, uh grandpa, hesounds great he was great, he
was a great game and he'd sayyeah I need to come over clean

(56:53):
the bird baths and that's why Ican can't see soggy bread I'll
throw up.
It's because of that, becausethey'd clean bird baths.
He used to feed raccoons, andraccoons they need water to help
it go down and slide down, orgullet.
So he would give it bread orwhatever and they'd go over to a

(57:14):
bird bath and they'd dip theyou know bird, uh, the uh bread
in there and then they eat it.
And then he'd have me come overand clean them out.
And they were.
If I even like soggy bread, ifI even touch it, like or see it,
it's, it's I will start, I'llstart gagging.
It's pretty bad.
But anyway, enough with, notenough of my grandfather, but,

(57:37):
um, I'm just, we need to movethings along here.
So I just wanted to ask you ifyou.
You said that you were ashamanic ancestor, so obviously
yes okay, so we know thatshamans or shamans or whatever
um, shamans or shamans orwhatever um were like a straight

(58:00):
conduit to uh spirituality inmany, many straight conduit.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Spirit, yes, um, worked with nature, worked with
spirit, worked with, yeah, allof it I do all right.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
So, with that being said, I just assume that if you
had shamanic ancestors, right,um, and they were in tune with
spirits and things like that, II, you know who am I to say that
a shaman wasn't just a modernday or back then would be a
modern day, psychic, right?

Speaker 5 (58:33):
so if that they, were what we are now okay.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
So I was gonna say, if that was the case, wouldn't
that like gift or ability, likego down the bloodline or oh, yes
, okay, I was gonna say, or doesit like, does it jump?

Speaker 5 (58:50):
no, my okay.
My parents and grandparents didnot acknowledge their abilities
, but I do because, well, forwhatever reason, the ancestors
came to me and said you're goingto be a shaman.
I goes okay, well, balls iny'all's court.
You want it to happen, you doit.

(59:18):
You make it happen.
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well, I mean, okay, fair enough, I just want to chat
about this just for a fewminutes.
You were a psychic medium.
What is the scariest thingyou've ever seen?
I just want to chat about thisjust for a few minutes.
You were a psychic medium.
What is?

Speaker 5 (59:37):
the scariest thing you've ever seen.
Oh my God, it's not just whatI've seen, it's what I've
experienced.
Okay, there are several veryscary incidents.
The first one, obviously, wasthe one that went after my then
sister, okay, and then I was inum, arizona, working at what

(01:00:07):
used to be a mortuary andfuneral home, turned museum.
Okay.
As if that wasn't scary enoughof a place, the mortician and
funeral homeowner did not likewomen, and he particularly

(01:00:30):
picked on me because, well,being female, just my luck and
being able to see and hear him.
Clearly he didn't like that toogood either.

(01:00:51):
We would go down to thebasement to work with
collections.
He would stomp up the stairsbehind me I go, do you mind?
Do you know how incredibly rudeyou are?
And all I hear behind me waslaughter.
I goes.
Ah, no, I'm not putting up withthat.
Get gone Bye-bye.
And what did he actually appearto me?

(01:01:13):
I saw him like I see you.
Oh yeah, he was very tall, thin, medium build, light eyes,
sandy, blondish brown hair, likehoney, blonde hair, mustache,
tweed brown suit, brown leathershoes.

(01:01:36):
And I saw him like I see you.
I kind of read my, my boss waswith me that day.
I kind of read I goes, look, doyou see what I see?
She goes no, what's up there?
I goes, look, look what is upthere.
Who is up there?
I goes, that, I believe, isyour mortician.
She goes what you mean?

(01:01:57):
You see him?
I go, do I see him?
I see him like I see you.
Are you kidding me?
Of course I see him.
And he was just looking down atme.
We locked eyes for what feltlike the longest time.
I'm like the longest time.
I'm like, hi, you know, scaredthe out of me, yeah, and he

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would put his nasty, icy, coldhands on me.
He did this to me twice before.
I refused to ever work thereagain alone, okay.
And he would scream in my earsget out, get out, I goes, okay,
okay.
Yes, sir, yes, sir, of course,of course.
So I shut everything down,called my boss, said I gotta get
out of here.

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I set the alarm, locked up andleft.
I just I, no, I'm not doingthis alone, no more.
No, I'm not, I'm done workinghere alone.
They finally had to get someonein there to clean the place out.
Unfortunately, they didn'tinclude me in that.
But yeah, I saw him, yeah, Ifelt him, yeah, I heard him.

(01:03:12):
No, he's not nice.
Yes, he's an asshole in spirit,so in life, so in death.
You know what can you do?
I also had a Native Americanspirit in the Native American
artifacts room, literally runright straight, frickin' through
me, mm-hmm, I could not stopshivering for about 30 to 45

(01:03:37):
minutes, and it was in the heatof summer.
Yeah, imagine that, if you will.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
And then I was at the courthouse turned museum, what
used to be the house for theSanta Fe ring during the Lincoln
.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
County, war years and the kid reference.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Yes, and I was literally.
I walked in, in, paid my moneyto go in there.
I don't mind paying money, youknow, to upkeep, because you
know I'm big into historicpreservation.
I really love that.
So I said you know what putthis toward preserving this
place?
It needs to be preserved?
And they said absolutely we'lldo that.

(01:04:32):
So I goes cool, right on, I walkin, I start to look around and
I feel two hands on my shoulders.
Somebody was behind me.
So I turn around, look nobodythere.
So I continue about my business, you know, looking around, and
these hands, literally myhusband's, like come here.
No, I can't right now,something's happening, hold on.

(01:04:56):
And so, whatever this was, Icouldn't shake him.
I said look, get off me, I'm atourist, I'm not doing nothing.
I tried to wiggle away andnothing.
Up the stairs and threw mephysically, threw me into the
room where they held or who theythought was Billy.
No, it wasn't, I'll tell youthat story later, but anyway,

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where they thought they wereholding Billy.
Well, anyway, they threw me.
Whoever or whatever this was,threw me in that room, stopped
me right at the little plaquethat had his arrest record on it
and I said, yes, I know Ialready have that in my
collection, which I do.
Anybody can get its publicrecord New Mexico State

(01:05:40):
Historical Society.
Y'all can get it, no problem.
I heard a noise.
About 100 feet to my left I sawa swirling mass of black and
red air.
I goes oh, I thought somethingis about to go down and I don't

(01:06:02):
like it.
Well, out steps JW Bell, bobOlinger, bobby Olinger, as I
call them, dumbass yeah, no,kidding.
And Pat Garrett, all with theireyes, glowing red guns out of

(01:06:23):
holster, trained right on me.
I put my hands up.
I go no, no, no, no, no, no,I'm not him, I am not Billy.
No, no, no, no, you don't wantthis.
I don't want this.
I don't want this.
No, no, no, no, you don't wantthis.
I don't want this.
You know, I don't want this.
No, no, you've got the wrongperson.
I'm not him, I'm his cousin.
And I'm worse.
Yes, I am.

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And I slowly back out of theroom to the doorway and then
flew as fast as my feet would godown the hallway, flew down the
stairs, grabbed my husband.
I said we got to go.
We got to go now.
Now I'm serious, he goes, butI'm looking.

(01:07:06):
I said look, we can come backlater.
Everything will still be hereas it is.
We can come back and look at itlater.
I don't mind paying more money.
That's not the problem.
We got to go now.
Now, and he goes are you sure Igo?
I'm like deadly sure.
Yeah, I'm like beyond sure.
Sure, come on, let's go now.
So we get in the truck, he goes.
What's wrong?

(01:07:27):
I'm out of breath.
At this point.
I'm just, I'm wheezing.
I'm so far out of breath and Isaid you'd never believe me if I
told you this.
Oh my God, you know.
And that literally scared theliving daylights out of me.
I mean, you'd be scared too ifthat happened.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
You know, I'd be excited, I'd be asking for
autographs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
I'd be like Billy, not me, oh, hell, no, uh, uh, uh
, uh, no, no, no, no.
When their eyes are glowing redlike that, you don't ask for
autographs.
You get the hell out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
When their eyes are glowing, I mean glowing red.
I mean there's no eyeballs, nopupils, no nothing, it's just
red.
And I'm there's no eyeballs, nopupils, no nothing, it's just
red.
And I'm going, I'm watchingthose pistols.
I'm like looking at theirpistols, I'm keeping my eyes on
them real closely.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, Idon't want this, I don't want
this, you don't want this, wedon't want this.

(01:08:29):
This is not the way to do this.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I get it.
I'm sorry.
I would still ask for PatGarrett's.
I would ask for his autograph,and then what I would do is I
would ask for Billy's autographand then I'd ask for.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Billy hangs out with me, by the way.
Oh okay, why?
Because historically,historically, I was his first
wife.
Yes, I was his first wife.
Yes, I was.
I have all the genealogicalrecords, I have all the photos
and everything to proveeverything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
So your past life, my past life, yes, he had a wife.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Yes, he was married February 11, 1871.
Puerto de Luna, New Mexico.
I've been to the place.
It happened and I have a photoof it too, and I have the
marriage record to prove it Damn.
And the family story in thefamily book to back that up on

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top of it.
Mm-hmm, family story in thefamily book to back that up on
top of it.
And I've met my descendants,all of whom claim it is the
absolute truth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I don't know what to say.
That's crazy I'm.
I have a question, just one.
It might not have anything todo with what you just said.
Is that person still behind me?
Mmhmm oh yeah she's justhanging out watching.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
No big deal she's staring daggers at me?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
no, she's not staring daggers at you.
No, she's just hanging outwatching no big deal.
She's staring daggers at mebecause I feel this is happening
.
No, no, she's not staringdaggers at you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
No, she's just hanging out watching, probably
curious about who I am hi, okay,yeah, I mean all right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I mean, if she wants to just hang out there, that's
yeah, you're just hanging out.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Relax, chill out, it's all good I hold on dw.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Do you have any questions?
Because I feel you probablyhave been saving up some.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Well, it's just.
I mean, if there's a, I mean ifI could pick someone to be
related to.
I don't know if I could thinkof someone cooler than.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Billy the freaking kid yeah, dude, that's badass,
and I have photos that show thatI look exactly like him without
makeup on.
With makeup on, I look like her, without it, I look like him.
I know that sounds crazy, butit's absolutely true.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Wow See, y'all didn't think that this ride was going
to be this wild when we didn'thave a hold of her at the
beginning of the show.
Now you know why you hung on.
Hopefully you did, because wedidn't disappoint with this one,

(01:11:40):
all right, so, yeah, okay, Ineed to know what's your success
rate with your psychic readings90%.
Is that verified and who wouldverify that?
I mean is that it?

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Well, I have several clients that can verify that.
I have people that actuallyknow me personally that tell me
you're as good as they come.
I have even been to places.
I no longer have communicationwith specific people, but I know
of some people that said thatI'm as good, if not better, than

(01:12:20):
Sylvia Brown, as good as, ifnot better than, like Teresa
Caputo.
No, I don't claim to be as goodor better than her.
She's like to me in this dayand age.
She is the best of the best,and it was Sylvia.
God love that sweet woman.
Her books taught me how not tobe afraid of my own abilities

(01:12:44):
when did you?
And taught me how to harnessthem.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
You said that you so you brought up your ability.
So I I have to ask and there'sa question from I mean well, a
topic from a little bit earlier,but you had said that you have
been this way since you werethree.
Now there's a way you have toidentify that you, when you were
three years old, you couldn'thave been like, hey, I'm second.
So when, at what point in yourlife, did you look at it and

(01:13:10):
identify it like, oh shit, thishas been happening since I was a
little kid um, it was at age 21when my ancestors sat me down
from spirit and said you'regoing to be a shaman.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
I goes, okay, uh, what?
Huh?
Come again.
You want it.
Y'all pull the strings you make, make it happen.
I'm not sure I want that, youknow, because things were really
intense at that time in my lifeI was seeing, hearing, feeling,
sensing, knowing and notunderstanding fully how it was
coming to be.

(01:13:41):
I didn't know at that timeabout my genetic background.
I did not know it, and eventhough native elders had pointed
out to me, I still had notverified it.
You know, I had not looked intomy lineage at that point.
And finally, when I did, I goes, oh, okay, well, now things are

(01:14:02):
kind of falling into place.
Makes sense, okay, sense, okay.
And I continue to get likelittle pieces of the puzzle even
to this day, like my previouslifetime.
I just like, not more than afew days ago, found out that

(01:14:22):
they were actually of Mexicangypsy descent.
I goes okay, so the gypsylineage in my family doesn't
just come from my mom, it alsocomes from that end of it too.
And that was like well, withsome things that I remember
experiencing, that kind of makessense now.
And oh, by the way, high corewater, love core water.

(01:14:48):
By the way, hi Core Water, loveCore Water.
By the way, great stuff.
And then on my mom's side wehave a bit of gypsy lineage,
because I was watching a moviecalled the Sorcerer's Apprentice
and they pointed out how thenesting dolls kind of played a
part in that kind of thing.

(01:15:11):
And I remember going oh crap, Iplayed with nesting dolls as a
child at my aunt's home.
I had no idea these weresupposed to be a spirit hold.
Oh, brig, you know, I'm sittingthere feeling like, oh, what

(01:15:32):
did I do, you know?
And I let, oh, I let, somethingout that I shouldn't have, oh,
you know, and I remember seeingthese and playing with them when
I was a kid, in Italy too.
I didn't know what they were for, and it turns out that they are

(01:15:54):
also something involving the, Iguess, gypsy culture.
And when I found that outthrough, I guess, one of my
favorite TV programs, I kind ofgoes huh, I had no idea, wow,

(01:16:15):
and so things have kind oflittle pieces here and there
have all been coming togetherand I thought, you know, that's
probably why I can't find a lotof records on my mother's line.
Why it's kind of a little bitmore difficult for me to find
more of the Hispanic side of therecords is because they moved

(01:16:39):
around so damn much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
You must have too, because you just, I don't know,
the longer I talk to you, themore it comes up and it's crazy.
So you just probably, yeah,your childhood was in Italy.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Some of it.
Yeah, I had spent my first yearof life there.
Yeah, my parents took me toItaly when I was about like
about a year old, yeah, andstayed there for about a year
and came back.
They expected me to be immersedin Italian culture, not knowing

(01:17:17):
the American language, notknowing English at all.
Well, turns out, I grew up herein the United States, so all I
heard was English.
What did they think was goingto happen?
I guess they expected me to bebilingual.
Unfortunately, I'm not.
I have to relearn everythingfrom that.
But anyway, I actually knowmore Mexican, spanish than I do

(01:17:41):
Italian, and they're reallyactually very close in
linguistics, so it's kind ofeasier for me to cross culture.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Yeah, I can see that you can't.
I mean, when you're reallygoing Spanish, it sounds a lot
like Italian.
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Well, all you do is change like a couple vowels,
couple consonants, and you'vegot Spanish or Mexican Spanish,
and then you cross it back andit's Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
The Italian is more, you know.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Not so muchlike that Right what's wrong.
Dw.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
No, no, what, what no ?
Your Luigi, impression no,luigi, you no, no nothing, just
what?

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
what?
No, your luigi impression.
No, that was luigi, that is.
Did you know?
Oh, a little thing, you know.
You said luigi.
Now it brings up mario, and Idon't know if you know luigi was
my uncle's name.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Luigi was my uncle's name.
I was very close to him growingup.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
See, the more we talk , the more.
That's pretty awesome, as longas you're not related to the
character Luigi.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
No, unfortunately no.
But no, I respect that BecauseI played Mario Brothers growing
up in the 80s, so yeah, so,mario Brothers, you know when
he's on there, mario, you thinkhe's saying isa me, mario right,
but no, it's not me, mario,it's not, it's uh me no isa isa,

(01:19:22):
isa mario but that is super inJapanese.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
So he's saying not Isami, like hello, isami,
whatever.
That's not what he's doing.
He's saying Super Mario, butit's pretty badass.
Everybody thinks it's Italian,but it's not Well thing is he's
pronouncing it the Italian wayIsamiya.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Isamiya is it's me, Isamiya.
Italian way isa mia, Isa mia isit's me.
Oh, Isa mia, Nice.
In Mexican Spanish it would beesta me, Esta me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Oh, oh, educational episode.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
No, isa me, mario.
What did you say Isa me?
Educational episode no, isa mi,mario.
What did you say isa mi?

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
mario, what's the spanish?

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
but spanish, esta mi, esta mi isa mi mario, but in
spanish it's esta mi manuel.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, it's SW Manuel.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Yeah, pretty much yeah, okay, all right, dw.
You have any questions for at?

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
all.
No, this has been fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Entertaining as hell and fascinating.
Yeah, because, like I said,just the book keeps on opening,
that page keeps on turning andon the next page is more.
It's more thrilling than astephen king novel right now.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
And as for the um, like the author, I'm to be
representing my first book.
I'm going to be updating it,all that refreshing it.
It's going to be really greatnice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
What was your first book's name?

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
well it was born into .
Shamanism was the first title.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Now it's going to be the modern life, or the life of
a modern day outlaw psychicthere you go and outlaw psychic
because obviously you're psychic, but you're tying the outlaw in
there because you're related toall of them and I named my
business for my ancestors.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
You know, because they've been there for me.
They're my rock, they're mystrength.
You know they've been there forme through everything, thick,
thin in between, it don't matter.
They've been there for me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It's in their honor that's awesome, I you know.
So this is the part of the showwhere we ask you where you can
be found for our listeners tofind you if they wanted to.
So, melissa, where can theyfind you?

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
Everywhere on social media.
I am all over the place.
I'm on Facebook, tiktok X,getter Truth, social oh my God,
instagram Threads through socialum, oh my god, instagram, um,
uh, threads.
Uh, I'm like, I am all oversocial media.

(01:22:36):
You can find me just abouteverywhere and um, I'm also
going.
I'm on um, oh my God, I'meverywhere.
Let's put it that way.
And you can also get ahold ofme at my website,

(01:22:59):
wwwolpsyenpolscientcom.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
That might've been the most complicated web address
I've ever heard on here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
You might want to say that no, it's actually quite
easy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Okay, you might want to say that one more time, just
throwing it out there.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
O-L-P-S-Y-E-N-T.
As in Thomas dot com.
O-l-s-y-n-t.
As in Thomas com O-L-C-I-E-N-Tcom.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
All right, anybody who can do this, my respects.
Please let us know when youcomment down at the bottom of
you know the thing down there.
It's going to say talk to yourco-host, go in there and let us
know if you got to her website,because that would be.
That would be freaking awesomenow keep in mind.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Um, I'm having cataract surgery next month and
because I'm not able to see realgood, I can't update the
website yet.
So once that's finished, I'mgoing to be updating the website
with a bunch of new stuff.
I'm going to be getting rid ofa bunch of old stuff and
updating it with new stuff, andso it'll be refreshed very soon.

(01:24:16):
Don't worry, folks.
I know everything seems to bekind of at a standstill right
now, but that's only becauseI've got cataracts and, pardon
me, I can't see.
So I will be refreshingeverything, updating it and all
that representing it.
It'll be cool, but it is up, itis open.

(01:24:37):
If you want to get a hold of mePsychic Mom P-S-Y-C-H-I-C-M-O-M
Mary Oscar, mary 2017 atgmailcom, ask me just about
anything you want.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I don't mind, don't matter to me, that's awesome, I
love it.
So you know, dw, let me ask youa question Is it your turn or
my turn?
Buddy, it is your turn, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
So, Melissa, get ready for 10 minutes of food
questions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
No, probably not, but thank you for.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
Okay, no problem, I'm also a baker and a cook, so oh,
there we go, jesus.
I can't write that much, bro,and yes, I will have a cooking
book coming out, probably 2028or 2029, I'm not sure which one.
But yeah, I do have fun writing.

(01:25:38):
I love my writing work.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
It's a lot of fun okay, so spoiler alert, this
what the book's about it?
Uh, it's about outlaw cookingand I'll tell you this uh, it is
a pot with beans and bacon init, so just throwing it out
there there you go look over.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Well, my cookbook is far more than that sweetie okay,
mine is far more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
All right, I was just , I was just going.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Bacon and beans is just one of many things I make
well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
There you go.
Yeah, chili without the beans,all right Actually.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
I do make my own homemade chili.
Yes, I do New Mexico red.
It starts out low and slow,sweet and steady, and then five
minutes later you're going to becalling the fire department
because it goes straight too hot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
That's how I like chili too.
Damn it.
We're talking about all thisfood, food.
I can't probably eat a littlebit, but anyway, um, all right,
so we do this thing at our atthe end of our show.
Well, towards the end of ourshow, it's called this or that.
Basically, we ask you a couplequestions and you just pick
which one you want okay okay,all right, and I am going to be

(01:26:48):
the person that's going to betelling well, asking the this or
that questions today.
So we already discussed thisearlier.
Remember that, dw yep all right, that's fine.
So, melissa, are you ready forthis or that?
Ready, shut?
All right, here we go.

(01:27:08):
I'm just going to do it now, inspite.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Tell me Bacon or sausage.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
Both.
Actually, I love bacon and Ilove sausage.
I grew up on it.
My beloved grandmother blessher.
She made the best.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Waffles or pancakes, oh my God.
Um well, if it's going to bewaffles, I love waffles, but if
it's pancakes, it's blue cornpancakes all the way through.
Uh, regular pancakes are alittle dry for my liking.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
uh, regular pancakes are a little dry for my liking,
so I really, really love bluecorn pancakes sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Okay, I don't know what that is, but it's actually
made with blue corn masa flour.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
It's really really good.
Check it out, look it up.
Oh my god, you're gonna thankme for this one all right, or
have a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
One of the two, two.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
So I don't know.
All right, we're not going todo the food thing because DW is
making comments and over therebeing smart, it's fine.
So, no more of that stuff.
I got to get to the meat of thematter here and that's this
Like you're obviously an outlaw,so I'm'm gonna ask you a lot of

(01:28:35):
questions okay, okay, jessejames or dillinger or jesse,
okay, all right we knewdillinger.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
We did know dillinger .
Yeah, um, he was one of themany outlaws we knew.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
So, yeah, but jesse, for sure, for sure, grandpa
rocks all right um billy the kidor wild bill hook cock billy,
all the way billy.
But yes, we did know bill, hewas cool, he was a character he

(01:29:06):
was kind of an outlaw, but thennot really he was a tweener
that's what you call now atweener, like he was the all
right guy, but then at times hehad when he when he needed to be
yeah, you know how to turn it.
Like I'm a tweener, dw, did younot?
I'm a tweener.
I'm like in between, like I Icould be nasty as shit, but I'm
really nice most of the time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
So can most of us.
Okay, and I'm I'm known forhaving a temper.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
I'm not, I'm not known at all so and we'll get to
that in just a few minutes, um,all right, so I'm going to ask
you the other questions, likeparanormal or comedy, paranormal

(01:29:55):
all the way through all the waythrough, all the way through.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Okay, movies or tv, um, I'm gonna say a little of
both only because I watch a uh,a channel called grit outlaw,
called Grit Outlaw, and theyshow nonstop, 24 hours a day,
seven days a week, westerns andI love my western movies.
They're all classics and Iabsolutely love them, especially

(01:30:18):
John Wayne she Wore a YellowRibbon and Fort Apache, my two
absolute all-time favorites,outside of Young Guns Young Guns
2, which set the bar for modernwesterns.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
You know I was going to say Young Guns and Young Guns
2 were good.
Of young guns, young guns toowould set the bar for modern
westerns.
You know I was gonna say um,young guns and young guns too
were good.
But you know, I was never areal big western guy.
I thought my mom and dad,because I grew up, um, you know,
I grew up in the in the 80s, somy mom and dad they're like you
know, they'd watch?
yeah, because that's what they,you know that's what they did
and I would just be like, oh,this is so stupid.

(01:30:49):
But the westerns that I did getinto, basically because it's
the perfect films, is you knowSergio Leone in the good, bad
and the ugly?
You know that trilogy of filmsright there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
Right, and I have a story behind Clint Eastwood.
I do have a story behind someof Clint Eastwood's stuff.
Now, hollywood will never tellyou this, he will never tell you
, this Media won't never tellyou this, but he was actually
discovered at my grandfather'scabinet shop.
That is where he was actuallydiscovered at my grandfather's

(01:31:35):
cabinet shop.
That is where he was discovereddiscovered like from a talent
agent or whatever talent agentcame to my grandfather's shop to
get cabinets built for whateverhis thing was I don't remember
what it was now but came inthere, saw him and said you'd be
perfect for whatever you know,and they signed him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I mean, similar things have happened to me.
You'd be perfect for lookinglike an idiot standing there and
I'm like great, here I am asyou're putting away frozen pizza
and, yes, I've been in twowesterns myself.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
um, they're both independent, small budget films,
but I loved every second ofworking with them, loved every
second.
The animals made it all, lovedevery second.
The animals made it all worthit.
I get out of the truck, thehorses on set looked right at me
and the wranglers came up to meand goes what's your secret?

(01:32:41):
I goes I'm mom, just the way itis.
I'm mom.
And their horses followed mearound like lost dogs.
I know it sounds crazy, but itdid happen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I don't know how I'm going to finish this.
So, because I'm going to asksomething and it's going to, I
don't know, ask away.
I know I'm just I'm going toask something and it's going to,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Ask away.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I know I just I'm, I'm trying, I'm getting, I'm
getting to the the good, thegood parts here, All right Ghost
hunters or ghost adventures.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Ghost hunters because they're a little bit more
practical Ghost adventures I'llgive a nod to only because Zach
kind of reminds me of me in myearlier years of doing what I do
and I do believe now that he islike I am.
He is a medium and although hedoes not acknowledge it which,

(01:33:44):
zach, if you're watching sweetie, you've got to start
acknowledging you are a medium,like it or not, love it or lump
watching sweetie, you've got tostart acknowledging you are a
medium, like it or not, love itor lump it.
Sweetie.
Sorry, you got the ability.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I hope he's watching or listening.
You got the ability.
It'd be great if he was.
You said you acted like him.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Well, no, basically what it is is that his like in
his earlier years he was like,really, really scared to death,
and he finally learned how toharness this ability and now
he's able to work with spirit,not get flustered, not get
rattled, not get scared.
You know, and that's one thingwe say in ghost hunting no fear,

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no fear.
Show respect to spirit, don'tscream, don't run, don't
whatever.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
I mean, it's okay to be scared, but just don't show
them that you're scared you know, I would buy that, I buy
everything that you're sayingwith how that is, because I was
in a ghost hunting group andthat is true.
Like you back out of a room,you don't run out of it, you
don't whatever.
But I don't know what schoolgood old baggy aggians went to,

(01:34:53):
but I'm gonna say that like it'snot good because he screams and
runs and everything's a demonand he's possessed and
everything yeah, no.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
Um, I'm sorry, zach, if you're watching.
Sweetie, not everything is ademon.
Trust me, I've been there done.
I've been around the blockquite a few times and in the
early part of Ghost Adventureshe actually used some of my
information.
No-transcript you.