April 2, 2025 • 78 mins
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Radioactive spirits, ghostly monastery monks, and children's laughter at an abandoned amusement park—welcome to our hypothetical journey to Ukraine's most haunted locations. When John suggests we embark on a 16-hour flight to explore paranormal hotspots, the conversation quickly reveals we can't actually get there due to the ongoing conflict. Nevertheless, we dive deep into what makes Ukraine—particularly Chernobyl—such a fascinating paranormal destination.
The abandoned town of Pripyat and the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone take center stage as we examine reports of ghostly sightings, unexplained noises (including the infamous "Chernobyl howl"), and mysterious cold spots throughout the region. Most intriguing is John's theory that nuclear energy—being perhaps the highest form of energy humans have harnessed—might actually amplify paranormal activity. If spirits need energy to manifest, what better source than a nuclear reactor core?
Our conversation balances paranormal possibilities with healthy skepticism, as DW questions what would truly convince him of a haunting. Would he need to see a full-bodied apparition, or would his logical mind always find alternative explanations? Meanwhile, we ponder whether radiation sickness might cause hallucinations mistaken for ghostly encounters, adding another layer to this complex investigation.
Beyond the spooky stories, we discuss Ukraine's rich culture (including pierogies and Chicken Kiev) and explore what draws people to disaster sites—from historical curiosity to the profound human stories embedded in such places. For some, like DW, the appeal lies in seeing a once-thriving location frozen in time rather than hunting for ghosts.
Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of nuclear energy, paranormal theories, and what makes certain locations feel inherently haunted. And stick around for our "This or That" game where we debate everything from Mozart vs. Led Zeppelin to whether you'd rather ghost hunt with the Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Thanks for watching what's going on.
(00:31):
This is sclarious.
I am john holson and with me,as always, is dw, the disorderly
windbag serene there we go whatyou got there, buddy I grabbed
another um baja blast pineapplehard, so yeah very, very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I am drinking water, so because you've uh uh slowed
down the the thc drinks yeah,yeah, not I'm guessing, I'm, I
would guess.
Haven't stopped completely, butjust decreased how much
ingested?
Plenty, I just uh well, but Imean the drinks you've, you've
like yeah I'm not gonna drinklike I was.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Uh, I might drink, I might do one a week or something
like that.
Maybe I have other supplementsthat I can, you know, still get
it somehow.
Right, still get it somehow.
Yeah, I might have one a week.
I I can't, you know, if I'mgonna do this, I can't turn
everything down.
I can turn a lot of things downright away, you know, but when
(01:39):
it, you know, people offer mecandy or stuff like that, just
not doing the whole sugar thing.
I'm going to be perfectlyhonest with you.
That blood test kind of scaredthe bejeebus out of me.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, understandable, especially even in cans of
pop's like a crazy amount ofsugar and in, like we said
before, in thc, there's a crazyamount of sugar.
(02:13):
Oh, what I was gonna say is, um, uh, I had a relative who I
don't know how much, but lost aconsiderable amount of weight by
just saying no to sugar andsalt.
Yeah, like, not not completely,because obviously there's a
teeny amount of sugar and saltand pretty much everything.
But you know, left out anythingthat's like a crazy amount of
(02:40):
it.
Like, doesn't do saltedpretzels, he gets unsalted,
doesn't do you know chips thatare crazy salted and stuff like
that.
And then doesn't do candy,doesn't do, uh, ice cream, you
know stuff like that, and Iagain don't know how much, don't
(03:00):
know what the number is, but aninsane amount of weight just by
, you know, decreasing that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So that's crazy it, because you, just adding more
water, can do it too, like ohyeah, yeah, I mean that's
essentially, you just have toeat less, drink more water, boom
you're.
You're down like it's.
People get rich like millionsof dollars.
Listen, just eat less, drinkmore water, don't do shit.
(03:32):
That, oh my God, have you ever?
You probably haven't, mr Eater.
We just spent the last trip wewere on.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I know, for the record, I know I shouldn't be
eating them, even though I havethem all the time, but yes, go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There's not a whole lot of information.
You can't see the nutritionalfacts on the back of a donut,
but I'm going to throw it outthere, it's probably not great.
Did you know?
There's saturated fat ineverything, like literally
everything, yeah, and you'reonly allowed 20 grams of
(04:12):
saturated fat a day.
That's what they say.
You're allowed 20 grams ofsaturated fat a day.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well and.
I also heard that the food inthe us is so yeah is the worst
is so processed and sugar andstuff like that that there was
someone who I don't know howthey tracked it but ate the same
thing in some other country andlost all this weight because
(04:45):
the same food in other countrydoesn't have as much sugar and
salt and, uh, preservatives andand crap like that.
So yeah, we, we, we ruin ourfood here so yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So okay, million dollar idea eat less, drink more
water boom yeah, there you go,good, um, but yeah, so that
that's what, what's been kind ofgoing on with me.
I'm not going to say no toeverything because you know,
like I don't want to like my, Idon't want my life to suck, you
know.
But there's a lot of things Iwill be saying no to right away.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And, admittedly, the more drastic the change, the
less likely you are to keep upwith it, like if you just all of
a sudden said nothing sweet,nothing but fruits and
vegetables for the rest of mylife.
If you did that you'd probablyget sick of it, like not
physically, but you would gettired of it, you would miss
(05:45):
those other things and it wouldprobably not stick.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So that's why One time it's like a relapse, like a
heroin addict.
One time, boom.
And then you're done, right,right back at it, eating
freaking gallons of queso andbags of freaking chips.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's why, generally , the diets that are more
extreme don't don't last somepeople do, some people can stick
to it and some people are veganand vegetarian and all that.
But yeah, and mind youdisclaimer, I am by no means a
nutritional expert or fitnessexpert or expert in anything.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Me neither.
I can only talk on experienceand I will say this I did the
keto diet, yeah, and I freakinglost like a lot of weight pretty
fast and I was like tone, I wasprobably in the best shape of
my life, like sincerely, and ifI would have kept it up it would
(06:52):
have been amazing, but lifehappens.
But yeah, when life happenedright and I ate a carb and I
gained everything back plusRight.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I gained everything back plus something.
That's part of the whole faddiet thing.
Don't do that, just eat less,drink more water there was a
time just for kicks.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
She wanted to see what effect it would have.
But my wife did full vegan Likenot even just vegetarian did
vegan and I was like sure, I'lldo it with you, absolutely.
First off, it was crazyexpensive because she tried to
get vegan alternatives to stuffLike oh there's this, you know,
(07:41):
almond milk-based shreddedcheese.
Well, it's like five times thecost of regular shredded cheese.
But she got it, it didn't I.
I was like I can't do thisagain.
I I fully support you.
I'll do it again if you want to, but this I can't indefinitely
live like this.
I crave like meat you know likeI just want a burger right now
(08:06):
and stuff like that and the thealternatives never taste the
same.
So anyone who is vegan, Iadmire that you're able to do
that, but I just, I, um, yeah, I, I need a donut every now and
then and a a slab of meat well,I mean I don't want to get onto
(08:29):
this too much, but like,obviously, like kevin, kevin
smith had a massive heart attackoh right and and uh he, well,
if he wasn't high he would bedead.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, he basically said that too, which
is kind of funny.
But anyway, and again, andagain.
John's not a doctor, but he hada massive heart attack and he
went to vegan.
He's vegan now and he'sprobably the healthiest he's
ever been in his life, but Idon't think it's for everybody.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't.
It'd be like taking away peanutbutter for me.
I'd just say no man.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Like it'd be like taking away peanut butter for me
.
I just say, no, man, like youcan't.
No, it's not.
Peanut butter is probably, bythe way, another thing you
should, uh, not have quite somuch I have I did alternative
and it okay, it does the job,but it's not real, oh my god
because have you looked at thenutritional?
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeahthankfully, number one is
peanuts, but number two is sugar.
(09:30):
So anyway, that was healthminute by john and dw.
Yeah, we went.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Please consult a doctor before uh engaging in any
diet or exercise program,anything me or he says, because
he stuffed his face with donutsfor like eight hours straight.
He's not.
You're not the pinnacle ofhealth over there.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Pot and kettle.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're like Homer Simpson in Smithersers his body,
which is the weirdest thinganyway.
All right, so hey, you know,let's move on from the from
health minute to away fromhealth minute and go right to
selling our stuff.
(10:24):
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you can do that.
Go to crowdmadecom.
Forward slash collections,forward slash sclarius pod and
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You can get hats.
You can get beanies might stillbe cold, you might need one.
Uh, you can get a dog leash anda dog collar.
(10:48):
Maybe a cat leash and a catcollar.
Who knows you?
It could be either, or your catwhatever yeah, you can.
Yeah, a pet bowl?
Uh, we have coasters, notcoasters, coasters to put your
drinks on.
You know dw has his hardbound.
Do I just have water?
Right now?
That's all I have.
I'm being a good boy, I justhave water.
So, uh, you put that.
(11:09):
You know you can put your stuff.
I don't know what you'redrinking.
Uh, who knows, is this somesort of Chardonnay?
Uh, a coffee?
Maybe?
I have no idea.
Maybe a flavored water withcrystal light?
I don't know.
You could be drinking any ofthat.
What you, you drink it and youput it down right there on the
ghoster on your table, so youdon't get a ring on the wood.
(11:32):
You know, because you know yourgrandmother and your mother
used to say, like, don't putthat, you're gonna god damn it,
you're gonna get a ring on thewood.
That's what they're gonna say.
And so can't do, get theghosters, dw.
Is there anything else theyshould get?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
We've got phone cases , we have iPhone and Samsung.
Whatever, family, whatever,floats your boat, you're good.
We have various shirts withvarious sayings.
Of course, my favorite, I haveno idea who John Olsen is.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
And that's because yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Too bad.
This week they won't say that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, they won't.
Well, I mean, they could.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
They said it this week though.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, it'd be hilarious.
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And when you're there like notwhen you're there, but kind of
(12:41):
when you're surfing the net,because I know you'll be surfing
the net you'll be seeing, likeyou know, probably on facebook,
probably over there on, beseeing like probably on Facebook
, probably over there onFacebook, seeing what's going on
with Uncle Paul, what's wrongwith Uncle Paul.
Uncle Paul's been doing shitand he's all up in the news and
whatnot.
So you've got to read up onthat.
And then maybe something elsehe's like is Aaron Rodgers going
(13:05):
to the vikings.
That's probably over to theside, and you're going to click
on that.
You're clicking on that andit's like, ah, maybe it's a, he
said, she said type deal, it'swill, they, won't they.
It's ross, it's rachel, that'sall that stuff going on right
there and the whole aaron rogersto the vikings thing, and then
and then and then maybe I donknow, you're kind of going
(13:25):
around, maybe you want to seewhat the weather's like.
It's nice right now, but is itgoing to be nice in a couple
days?
I don't know, it might be.
And then you're like, wow, niceweather.
Man John's always talking aboutnice weather when he talks
about Scalarius Saturdays on theScolarius facebook page.
(13:46):
Maybe, yeah, maybe, I'll youknow what scolarius huh, you
know what I?
I kind of want to know what,what dw is doing so and then you
go to dw3 comedian on facebookand then you find me and john
also comedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both together.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But not a couple.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yep, not a couple.
We can find us on the Scalariuspage, once again on Facebook.
We do have Instagram and aTikTok.
It's called Scalarius 8.
And you know, if you just wantto talk to us, you can, you know
, just email us SclarisPod atgmailcom.
Or if you want to listen toevery single episode that we had
(14:32):
all of them you can do that atSclarisPodBuzzsproutcom.
Hey, dw, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'm having a hard one to do.
Okay, are you supposed to haveone of those before you get on a
plane?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
as long as I don't know, you're the one that has
THC issues.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I'd be drinking a lot more than that, though.
Alright To get on a plane,especially this plane, because
our plane we're going to pack DW, are you packed up?
Yes, you are, that's good.
Did you bring warm clothes orcold clothes?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
What is it like there ?
I don't know.
What should we be?
I think it's a little chilly.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
What should we be?
I think it's a little chilly.
I don't know.
You ever seen Spies Like Us?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh, yep, yeah, that bad.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, that's a very accurate description of where
we're going to be going today.
Yeah, I don't know.
So you get warm clothesanything.
You have your passport right.
I've got my know.
So you can get warm clothesanything.
You have your passport right?
I've got my passport.
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You're going to get stopped.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Talk about this stuff .
Hopefully I don't get deported.
That'd be horrible.
Hold on.
When you're in Ukraine and youget deported, where do they put
you?
What horrible country would youhave to?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
go to after that, like do you see what I mean?
Like what are you deporting to?
I don't know?
I you're the one in trouble, soI guess I don't know anyway, to
find.
Uh, I want to see how long thisis going to take.
I'm trying to look up a flighthere it's a long flight, man
what the heck?
Why can't I find um.
They're like we don't fly there.
And what about this?
No, we don't fly there either.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Um you probably want to go to kiev.
That's where you went.
Oh, I gave it away, do you know?
We're going to the ukraine,guys.
That's where we're going.
We're going over to the ukraineah, can't find.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh, hang on, hang on, I I gotta find.
Sorry, my, this happens to meall the time where my curiosity
kicks in and I'm not going to besatisfied until I figure out.
Um, you're fine, we just figureout the answer.
Okay, so you, you deal with, uh, um, the dog who found
something in your bag, and I'lltry and get us to the Ukraine.
(17:09):
All airports, hang on.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know me so well.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, one adult so you can get your own freaking
ticket.
No, oh, my gosh gosh, it cannotfind anything.
We can't find any flights thatmatches your search.
Why can I not get to this place?
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think that might be a question for another
conversation off of this podcastoh, geez what.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
What do I do here?
Okay, flights.
I swear I'm gonna figure thisout.
Um, maybe here's the thing.
You know what I just thought of.
Maybe we're just not flying tothe ukraine right now that's
what I'm saying as in uhanywhere in the Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, what about?
Well, we have to get theresomehow.
So where are we going to go?
So, how are we getting there?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
if we can't.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh man, oh no.
Do we have to fly into Moscowand drive over?
That's going to be a horribletrip.
I don't want to be at theborder.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm not going to lie, so hang on, I don't want to be
at the border, not going to lie,so hang on.
Why can't I?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
This is a mystery.
We're unfolding it here.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Like I say, this has just gotten me.
Oh, because of the war.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Oh yeah, Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
We can't go there right now because of the war,
but we're going to have to gothere, so we're going to have to
find a way.
Alright, so let's let me see ifwe can find out, just
hypothetically, how long it'sgoing to be.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A long flight is what it is, but once we get there
it's going to be a whole lot offun, I guarantee you alright,
let's play to the ukraine 16hours um.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's 16 hours if we're able to find a non-stop
flight yeah if we have to like,if we have a layover anywhere,
we could be talking 24, 26 hours, something like that, possibly
a day, um, also depending onlike where, specifically in the
ukraine, we have to go.
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But it makes sense it's gonna,so it's gonna take us a while.
Um, as you know, when I travel,I so I load up my tablet with a
bunch of movies, right?
So I put in my headphones andI'll be watching movies.
That way, I don't have to talkto you or anyone.
The only conversation I plan onhaving is excuse me, I have to
(19:57):
go to the bathroom.
If the person, if, like youknow, if I have to walk over
them to, if I'm, cause I'll,I'll, probably, I, oh, maybe I
shouldn't.
Well, no, never mind.
One of the questions wesometimes ask, sometimes for
this or that window or aisleseat, right?
So are you a window or aisleperson?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I don't like heights, so I don't care.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
to be honest, I want to be as far away, so you would
do aisle because you don't wantto look out the window.
I don't care.
To be honest, I want to be asfar like, so you would.
You would do aisle because youdon't want to look out the
window.
I don't want to look outsideyeah, I don't okay and see me.
Um, I now, generally I I usuallyfly not too far, so I actually
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don't have.
Usually if I'm going to um,florida that's, I want to say
it's like three hours, somethinglike that.
Okay, I don't have to go inthat amount of time.
I go before we get on the plane.
Right, I can you.
I usually don't have to go inthat length, so I usually don't
have to walk over anyone to getto use the bathroom, point being
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I like the window.
I feel like it's pretty cool tobe, to look out the window and
see what's going on.
I really like to look out thewindow.
I also like to um, if I can, uh, uh, prop my head towards the
side to take a nap, okay, um, soFor me, I like the window.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I like that much better.
I'm not into it.
I don't like the heights.
To be honest with you, thebumpier, it's not going to be a
good ride at all At all.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
16 hours then If we can get there, so if we, if we
could, if we could get there um,but right now um due to the
conflict, right, we're not.
We're's a um.
The ukraine airspace remainsclosed to all civil flights
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since february 2022.
Okay, due to the russian, thisconflict ends.
So let's, let's say they haveresolved their issue.
The conflict is over.
There is peace in the ukraine.
We can safely fly there nowpeace everywhere, baby yeah,
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that that's.
That's the.
The hypothetical I I'menvisioning is that the issue is
over.
That's what I would like to see, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Well, let's say hypothetically in this, the
issue is over and it came to apeaceful solution and everybody
is good to go and to live theirlives the way that they want to
live, like God freaking intended.
So let's say that happens,we're gonna go on our 16-hour
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flight.
We're gonna land well, we mightas well land in the capital
city of kiev.
That's where we'll go.
Not a whole lot of like, I mean, we're just we're going to go
through all these little youknow places and then we're going
to settle in one big-ass placeyeah, one.
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That's going to be kind of fun,alright.
Ukraine has a rich historyfilled with fascinating and
eerie legends of haunted places.
Many of those locations aretied to the country's tumultuous
past, from wars to politicalupheaval.
Here's one Well, okay, we'regoing to skip that one, we're
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going to come back.
So this is where it's going tobe fun, because this is a
different language, so I'm notgoing to pronounce this
correctly at all, but we'regoing to have Lviv's old town.
Lviv are probably.
Lv is probably yeah, yeah, eve,yeah, eve.
(24:19):
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't know.
I'm not even going to pretendto know this time.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It's home to many historical buildings, and some
are thought to be haunted.
The city's old churches,cathedrals and narrow alleyways
are the setting for many ghoststories.
One popular legend is that of aghost of a priest who is said
to haunt the La Cave Cemetery,which dates back to the 18th
century said to haunt the likecave cemetery which dates back
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to the 18th century.
So yeah, eve.
Yes, if I'm pronouncing itwrong, let me know.
The hive, the hive.
I guess I don't.
That's the other one.
The Pisky village.
The village of Pisky, which sawintense fighting during the war
in Donbas, is said to behaunted by the restless souls of
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soldiers who lost their livesthere.
The area's desolation, combinedwith the memories of the
ongoing conflict, have led manyto believe the spirits of the
fallen still linger.
Memories of the ongoingconflict.
So we're talking recent.
Wow, wait what.
(25:34):
Recent.
Recent Like this is recent, Iguess the area's dissolution
combined with the memories ofthe ongoing conflict have led
many to believe that the spiritsof the fallen still linger,
unless.
I'm saying that, I mean unlessI'm understanding that
(25:55):
incorrectly, but it sounds likea more recent event.
Olesko Castle, located in theYiv region, olesko Castle is
another location rumored to behaunted.
The castle dates back to the12th century and has a long
history of political intrigue,wars and executions.
Some visitors claim to haveseen the ghost of a woman
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dressed in 17th century clothingroaming the halls.
It's always a woman roaming thehalls and weird garb.
You ever notice that?
Yeah, always.
Even my story, michael's story,was a woman roaming the halls
and anyway, and always peoplewho die in mysterious
circumstances exactly, it'sweird kiev's saint michael's
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golden dome monastery.
Kiev, the capital of ukraine, ishome to several historic sites
with ghostly legends attached tothem.
Saint michael's golden domemonastery is one such place,
with stories about the spiritsof the monks and soldiers from
centuries past appearing in thearea.
So a monastery that's prettybadass.
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A haunted monastery.
Last time I saw that one was inthe Nun.
No, that's not a monastery, isit Nunnery?
You ever seen the movie the Nun?
No, oh, it's amazing.
You should watch the.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Nun, remember if it's other than the gremlins.
I don't think I've, and it's ahorror movie.
I probably haven't seen it.
You should watch it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's good stuff, alright.
Kiev, perchik, lavra I have noidea if that's how you say it,
but okay.
This ancient Orthodox monasteryin Kiev is believed to be
haunted by monks and saints fromcenturies ago.
That's two monasteries, by theway.
Visitors often speak of seeingstrange shadows and hearing
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whispers while exploring itsunderground catacombs, catacombs
, catacombs.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Woohoo.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Alright, those are some some ghostly areas in
Ukraine, but you know we'reinterested in those ghostly
areas, but that's not why wecame here.
Nope, we came here.
(28:27):
Nope, we came here for probablythe most famous area, oh, yep,
and that is the ChernobylExclusion Zone.
Perhaps the most famous hauntedlocation in Ukraine is the area
around the Chernobyl nuclearpower plant.
The 1986 disaster and thesubsequent subsequent evacuation
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left behind a eerie, abandonedghost town of Pripyat.
Pripyat, okay, pripyat.
Many claim to hear strangenoises, see unexplained figures
and even experiencing strangefeelings of dread when entering
the area.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
When entering the exclusion zone.
Yeah, here's where now again,the skeptical in me is saying
obviously this is going to bekind of a spooky area.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Very spooky.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Just in terms of like .
I can't think of another placethat was once inhabited.
That's all of a sudden like.
No one lives there, so there'sa ghost.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
There's a town in Pennsylvania that's consistently
on fire.
Yeah, underneath it's notstable or something.
It's a like a mine or something.
I can't remember exactly whatpeople live in pennsylvania, you
know what I'm talking about.
It like, yeah, so it'sconsistently on fire.
So I, I mean I understand, like, yeah, there are places that
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are.
You know, I was gonna say theywere close, but that's not even
close.
I understand it's a nucleardisaster and that's what.
But I'm just saying, like thehaunted fire town, I mean, you
know it's creepy too.
That was my point in all that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I, and my point is just that an area like that,
that once had a thriving cityand is now not, is going to feel
weird, whether or not it'sparanormal, right, right.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So we're going to do a little bit of history on this
and then we're going to gothrough all of the places that
people have had activity in.
Okay, so paranormal activityaround Chernobyl, particularly
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in the abandoned town of Piripitand the surrounding exclusion
zone, has been a topic offascination for many, many years
.
The site of the 1986 nucleardisaster where the chernobyl
nuclear power plant exploded isoften associated with the eerie
phenomenon and ghostly tales.
The ghost town, the parapet,once home to workers and their
families, is now left in thestate of decay and its
atmosphere that fuels theparanormal stories.
You just said that, excuse meright.
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Some of the reported paranormalactivities include ghostly
sightings.
Many visitors to chernobylexclusion zone, including those
who have ventured into parapet,claim to have seen apparitions
of people, particularly aroundthe old buildings like the
amusement park and school.
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Again, excuse me, some suggestthese are the spirits of former
residents who perished during orshortly after the evacuation,
while others think that thesouls of those lost to radiation
and the disaster itself hauntthe area.
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There are also reports offigures in the old photographs
that don't appear when they weretaken, suggesting that what
people are capturing are nolonger physically present but
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might still haunt the area insome form.
So first let's go back and let'stalk about the Chernobyl
disaster and everything.
So this place is stillradioactive as Jesus.
I don't even remember how manylifetimes of radiations in that
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area, but it's not good.
So there was a horrible,horrible thing and I don't know
how many perished.
I can't remember that fact aswe talk right now.
Hang on.
But, Throw that in your Googlebox.
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There, dw, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Slow down, okay, okay , uh, the response involved more
than five 500,000.
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So is that how many died?
Wait, I thought so.
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There's a consensus that atotal of approximately 30 people
died from immediate blasttrauma and acute radiation
syndrome in the seconds tomonths after the disaster,
respectively, with 60 in totalin the decades since of
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radiation-induced cancer.
I thought it was way more.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's not a whole lot of people, but I think it's
because they evacuated like theyevacuated.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Well, you know so here's the other thing.
There's considerable debateconcerning the accurate number
of projected deaths that havenot yet to occur.
Um and long-term deathestimates range from 4 000 to 16
000.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So, because of the people in the general area.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Right, and did these people die from the effects of
the blast, or was it?
You know, I thought it was waymore.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So I knew it wasn't that many, because there wasn't.
You know, they did well ingetting people out of there.
But, yeah, unexplained noises.
Paranormal investigators andtourists alike have reported
hearing strange noises in theabandoned buildings and streets.
These include the sound offootsteps, voices, whispers and
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even the laughter of children.
Some of these sounds arethought to be the echoes of the
past, remnants of the people wholived there before the disaster
, forever trapped in a time loopLike Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, huh, all right, cold spots.
Cold spots are another commonparanormal phenomenon reported
around Chernobyl.
But to be fair, fair, a lot ofthe places are outside.
So I mean, and it is.
I mean I'm not 100 what theweather gets to, but it is
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colder, I feel there.
Uh, these areas where thetemperature suddenly drops to
uncomfortable levels are oftenassociated with ghostly presence
.
Some people speculate thatthese cold spots might be linked
to the residual radiation stillpresent in the environment,
while others attribute them toparanormal activity, poltergeist
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activity.
There have been stories fromthose who explored the ruins of
the parapet about moving objectsthat move by themselves or
falling without explanation,doors that open and close by
themselves, furniture shiftingor being overturned that one's
different and items beingdisplaced are common occurrences
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that have raised suspicion ofpoltergeist-like activity.
Furniture shifting or beingoverturned those are two very
drastic things.
Shifting is obviously justmoving a couple inches or
whatever else being overturnedthat's thrown over.
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It's just kind of funny how itgoes from one extreme to the
other.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Let's go back to the cold spotstheory.
And it said something about the?
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Uh.
It says something about thecold spots being attributed to
radiation sickness or radiationpoisoning.
So I mean, what do you?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I don't know, how do you, how do you know what you
saw is a spirit and not ahallucination, because you've
got radiation sickness.
True.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And maybe this is a quick Google search away from
you, but I'm sitting therethinking like just how
radioactive is Pyramid and whatI mean by that is.
So these people that are goingin there, they're obviously
going in there with I mean,they're not suited up.
So I mean, depending on howlong they stay, like, where,
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where is that?
Yeah, did you find it?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
uh, no, so I mean, you're talking like you can
actually.
Well, you could visit it reallyin.
In 2002 there were guided tours.
Well, I'll be down.
Um, oh, and a little sidebarhere.
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Uh, the peak was almost 125 000visitors in 2019, coinciding
with the release of the hbominiseries.
So hbo came out with theminiseries about the disaster.
Everyone's now interested in itand so a bunch of people in
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2019 went to go see it that'spretty cool.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So you know, I don't remember.
I think I watched thatminiseries, but I don't remember
them talking about anyparanormal stuff in it do you?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I would think they're probably more focused on the
disaster, part of it and theradiation rather than think
they're probably more focused onthe disaster part of it and the
radiation, rather than bringingthat element into it.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You never know.
Though I don't know, I'minterested in it.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think, and obviously I'm guessing, that
there's um uh suits or whateverthat you wear when you go to see
this, because apparentlythere's also a subculture of
illegal visitors that roam thearea for prolonged periods of
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time, some of them uh, oftenwithout taking appropriate
precautions against radiationokay, so there is something so
there's still radiation, and atthis point I mean it's not
nearly as bad as it was when itfirst happened.
So at this point, how do youprove the radiation, or whatever
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happened is is directly fromthat?
because, again, there were, um,I don't know how many thousands
of people that had, you know,cancer afterwards, but were they
able to prove that it was fromthe disaster?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
You know, so.
I don't know, that's just toobad and you know damn well.
Like if they were there aroundthe disaster and they got cancer
it was because of the disaster.
I mean, yeah, all right, theChernobyl howl.
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Some reports describe hearing astrange, unnatural howling
sound in the vicinity of anuclear plant, often attributed
to some form of paranormalenergy.
This noise is described as adeep, otherworldly and
unsettling howl.
While some believe this is anatural sound caused by the wind
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moving through the rustedremnants of the reactor and
buildings, others suggest itmight be the voices of spirits
trapped in the zone.
I, okay, I don't believe that.
I don't believe the voices.
I'm sorry, it's just me puttingon my skeptic hat.
I don't think that, but therewas something it said here
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that's quite interesting and Iwonder if any of the other
paranormal nerds picked it up.
But said that this howl comesfrom a vicinity of the nuclear
plant, often attributed to someform of paranormal energy.
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So if paranormal is energyitself, what is legitimately the
highest form of energy thatwe've ever discovered?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't know nuclear, right?
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, all right, I meanbecause the nuclear bomb is
probably like the most lethalkilling device we've ever come
up with.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Well, I mean, it's just like that, bye, bye.
But the point is that's energy,right that it?
If I remember nuclear energy,it's like the atoms and
everything else.
The atom heats up and all that,and that's what I mean.
I'm not I've been oppenheimeror whatever, but I'm just
throwing it out there, that likewhat if?
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What if the paranormal activitythere could be higher because
it has the highest form ofenergy to manifest?
Off of Just throwing it outthere, okay, yeah.
It's not just an electrical boxwith EMF and things like that.
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We're talking like, yeah, acore.
I mean the core, it's got.
It's a red.
You know, that's the elephant'sfoot.
I think it's the core.
But what I'm saying is like, doyou see what I mean?
Like that's there, it is.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Manifesting the shit off of that.
I'm just throwing it out there,I don't know, not saying that
it's the voices of the peoplefrom the past and things like
that.
I do feel that there might beenergy there and it's
surrounding that area and thehowl itself is, most likely,
most likely, exactly what itsaid here just the wind catching
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, yeah, building.
But right, I am not discountingthe fact that it could be more
haunted because of the fact thatit's nuclear energy, just just
saying the presence of radiationand its effects.
Oh we, we were just talkingabout this.
Radiation itself though notinherently paranormal, I'm sorry
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, this is funny Plays a role inthe atmosphere and the area.
Some people believe theresidual radiation combined with
the tragedy of the event hascaused some kind of supernatural
energy.
Okay, the emotional trauma andthe overwhelming destruction
could be factors and contributeto the sense of unease and
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strange occurrences.
In fact, some paranormalenthusiasts claim that the very
radiation that contaminated thearea could be amplifying or
creating energy conducted toparanormal events.
I didn't even read that beforeI said it.
Boom, just say it.
All.
Right, can I get a?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
john was right about something there, there, I don't
know how.
Uh, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Just John was right about that.
All right, this is what DW camefor the amusement park.
The amusement park in Piripette, with its eerie Ferris wheel
and abandoned bumper cars, isone of the most photographed
locations in the exclusion zone.
The park was meant to open justdays after the disaster, but it
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never did.
Many paranormal investigatorsreport a heightened sense of
dread or unease when near theFerris wheel, as though the
place holds a tragic andrestless energy.
Some even report hearing thesounds of children playing or
screaming, though the park hasbeen silent for decades.
That's terrifying.
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I can you know I could dealwith ghosts.
I can, like I, I, for the mostpart, I can deal with ghosts
like okay, don't like you'rehere, please leave me alone.
You know like that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, yeah, don't like you'rehere, please leave me alone.
You know like that kind ofstuff.
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Yeah, but kids, uh, kids arebad enough.
Is it now ghost kids?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
do you mean your own kids?
No, just, just all kids,because it would make sense.
You don't like peanuts or, mrrogers.
You know the laughter ofchildren.
It would be another thing thatyou don't like, so it makes
sense that you know sunshine,rainbows, these are all things
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that are, you know, not good foryou.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
You know, I tried smiling this morning.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I see that even made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I tried smiling this morning and it looked creepy
Like I'm like no, no, my smiledoes not say like hi, how are
you?
My smile says you're my nextvictim.
That's what my smile saysyou're my next victim that's
what my smile says.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's how does?
How does that go for you atwork?
Because you don't have apresence that says how many help
you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I know right, it's hard because people don't know
how to take me.
I'm, I am the way I am everysingle minute of the day.
There is listen, listen, I amthe.
Yeah, I'm the genuine article.
Baby, I am exactly who I say Iam, I am exactly what I say I am
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.
There's no, there's no dodgingit, there's nothing like that.
John Olson, the person on thestreet is John Olsen.
The person on the stage Is JohnOlsen, the person right here
talking to you right now.
Yeah, anyway.
So my personality can be quitehard to read at some points.
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So, yeah, it's hard, I don'tknow.
But anyway, um, I don't know howyou got on me and me not liking
kids.
First of all, like I, I'm notsaying that I don't like, I'm
just saying like it makes sensethat they'd be.
You know, I don't know, I justI have more tolerance for an
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adult who you know of age, who'ssmart, and I said hey, dude,
listen, if you want to hang outhere, sit on the couch, cool,
but don't mess with me and don'tmess with any of my family.
I think they understand that.
You say that to a kid, you to akid.
You say that to your kid Arethey going to sit there.
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No, we'll be up doing somethingelse.
They're just unreasonable.
That's all I'm saying.
It has nothing to do with menot liking kids I don't but it
means I'm just saying that ghostkids would be unreasonable,
especially at a damn amusementpark, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
You'd think at an amusement park they'd be happy
because they've got you know.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, no, mom and dad never give them exactly what
they want, and then you have tosit there.
Why are we waiting in line solong?
Why are we waiting in line solong?
Why are we waiting in line solong?
You want to ride the damn thing, anyway.
Mysterious animal sightings,this one I like.
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Another eerie aspect of theChernobyl Exclusion Zone is the
number of mutated animals andstrange creatures that still
inhabit the area.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
The number of mutated animals and strange creatures
that still inhabit the area,while most animals are now
returning to the zone andadapting to the environment.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
There have been reports of unusual sightings,
strange mishappened animals orsightings of animals that appear
to be ghostly in nature,possibly given the place of an
unsettling otherworldly presenceLike Blinky in nature, possibly
given the place of anunsettling otherworldly presence
Like Blinky, like Blinky.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Or the three-eyed fish.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, blinky was the squirrel right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
No, blinky was the fish, blinky's the three-eyed
fish.
Yeah, the three-eyed fish, butdon't take it out on poor
defenses, that's right, don'ttake it out on poor defenses,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Don't take it anyway.
So who knows?
I don't.
That's something else we needto look into of what they're
they exactly say are you know?
Is the?
Is the thing with uh, with uh,with chernobyl, you know, with
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the animals?
Yeah, mishappen.
Mishappen does that mean likeextra head, extra foot?
Is that what mishappen means?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I don't know that'd be, that'd be interesting
ghostly in nature, like a whiteglow.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
That's just the radiation that's burns coming
out of the.
I come in peace.
It's a Simpson reference,ladies and gentlemen.
Anyway, the paranormal activityin Chernobyl is largely tied to
its tragic history and thepsychological weight of the
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disaster, whether it's theghosts of those who died or
those who fled the eerieatmosphere of the abandoned
towns and the long-lastingeffects of the nuclear
catastrophe.
The region has become a magnetfor ghost hunters, paranormal
enthusiasts and those interestedin the supernatural.
While some of these experiencesmay be attributed to the unique
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and disturbing environment,they contribute to Chernobyl's
legacy as one of the mosthaunted places on Earth.
That was Chernobyl, ladies andgentlemen.
That was Ukraine, ladies andgentlemen.
That was that was Ukraine.
Ladies and gentlemen, that wasMm-hmm, that was that.
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Yeah, so, dw, if we're going toUkraine, would you Okay so say
we are not into the paranormal,just me and you going to Ukraine
, to I don't know what we'd bedoing over there right now, but
just saying we'd go over there.
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Oh, ukraine, I think they eatpierogies.
Pierogies are really good and Ifeel you would like those a lot
.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well.
I was also going to say.
When you mentioned Kiev, I waslike is that the same as Chicken
Kiev?
And sure enough it is.
Oh yeah, that's supposedlywhere it originated.
Oh nice, I'll have some ChickenKiev while we're there.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You don't want any pierogies.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
What the heck are pierogies?
Speaker 1 (54:37):
I was telling.
It's like a, it's stuffed, it'spotatoes and cheese, and
sometimes they put meat in therein a.
I'll try it In dough and thenthey fry up the dough using
butter.
It's really good stuff.
Here in the great state ofMinnesota we have the most
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amazing dip.
It's called top to tater, andyou can take these pierogies and
you can put them in top totater and eat them that way.
Yeah, it's like eating a friedturkey neck and gravy is what
that is anyway.
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Yeah, so dw yeah we're goingover there, we're having some
paragis, we're having somechicken kiev yeah if we weren't
going over there for paranormalpurposes?
Would you want to see Piripitin the area around Chernobyl?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I think I would, you know, not for paranormal reasons
, but I think it'd be kind ofcool to see this place that's,
you know, for lack of a betterterm deserted, pretty much, yeah
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, oh it's jacked up.
Yeah, I don't know somethingabout it is intriguing.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I would want to see it, so yeah um, okay, so where
would you want to go in, in oraround there, like what would be
your, your favorite?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
place, I don't know, I, uh, I, I, I guess I'd want to
stay away from the center ofthe disaster.
I don't need to get too closeto the radiation, but I don't
know, I just To wander around, Iguess.
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Okay, it's hard to say what myfavorite would be, because I
haven't been there and it's justsuch a big, vast empty space.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I don't know what the best part would be um, alright,
would you like the fact thatit's deserted, or would you much
rather have people there foryour own benefit, not theirs,
right?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
um, I wouldn't mind if it's deserted, if there's no
one else there okay, I thinkthat'd be cool all right.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
So does any of that creep you out in an unnatural
way, meaning like not the factthat you know 30 people died and
you know the horrible disasterthat happened, but in a
paranormal way would chernobylcreep you out?
Speaker 2 (57:55):
you know, again can't say without being there, but I
don't think so.
I you know.
You're saying there might bemore paranormal stuff because of
the radiation, the radiationenergy.
Yeah, but I'm saying, well,couldn't you be mistaken because
of that radiation, you know,and the, the sounds that you're
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hearing, hearing, is it justlike we said before, is it wind
going through the windows oropen doors?
yep, you know if you're, if youfeel this eerie feeling, is it a
paranormal feeling, or is itjust because you're in a place
that's got a bit of radiationand there's no one living there?
In a place that's got a bit ofradiation and there's no one
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living there, don't know.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Exactly, and how many heads would you like to see on
an animal?
Speaker 2 (58:54):
I guess how many heads are.
What was that?
Was that Lord of the Rings orwhatever?
That there was a no, I'mthinking of like Harry Potter,
that had like a two-headed orthree-headed dragon or something
like that.
Oh, really Wasn't there.
I don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Okay, I was going to say what animal would you like
to see it on, like here.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
let me put it this way I would not want to see it
on a dog because I would want tokeep the image of a dog as a
cute little, you know, normalanimal.
If I saw a two-headed dog, I'dbe very sad, I think.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, it'd creep me the hell out.
That's what it would do to me,but then again, two heads on
anything would creep me the hellout.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's true?
Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, alright, well, you know me.
I personally I'd be hanging outat the amusement park just
because it seems like it'd bethe most active, with the little
brat kids running around orwhatever, and I sure as shit
would like it to be empty.
(01:00:12):
I hate the fact that you knowwhat happened over there and how
it emptied out, but I mean lesspeople equals.
Okay, you know what I mean.
So, um, and I would like toknow just where you could go
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around there and how long youcould be there before, uh, you
start feeling the effects I meanis it like right away, like in
star trek 2?
right guys, or is it like overtime you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
know what I mean.
And is it like what is theprotective gear that you wear
Like, does it protect you ahundred percent from it?
Or is it kind of like well, youknow to a certain degree, but
there's some that I'm trying tothink of an analogy, kind of
(01:01:12):
like a fire suit for a fireman.
You can put on that suit, gointo a fire and be protected to
some degree, but then if youcan't, just um, you know, walk
into flame and expect to be okay, you know.
So is it kind of the same thingwhere it protects you from,
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like, say, 99 of radiation.
So if you're there for an houryou're fine, but if you get too
close to it or if you're therefor too long, again not a
scientist don't know what thedeal is with that.
So I just know, based on whatwe were reading, you don't want
to go in there naked.
Probably not a good idea no,probably so.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Would you want to ghost hunt it like I?
Don't know if me and you werelike, hey, let's, let's ghost
hunt, let's do this.
Would you want to like?
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
would you want to hear the answers to the
questions like I don't know ifI'd want to ghost hunt it, I
just want to see it.
I don't know if I'd want tobring an EVP or cameras or
anything like that.
I think I'd just want to see it, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So no ghost hunting.
Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Let's not ghost hunt this one.
No, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
So a scale of one to ten.
How freaked out would you be inthe dark in Piripette?
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
You know, this might be in the dark, might be a
little creepier than usual,because I'm assuming there's no
street lights, car lights, houselights, lights of any other
kind, so it's probably like verydark.
(01:03:08):
Um, that that might creep meout, I guess.
I don't know what the numberwould be, and not because I'm
thinking there's ghosts comingor anything, but I just think
that level of darkness would bekind of creepy in general.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So are you saying like a seven?
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, alright, very cool.
And so are you saying like aseven.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, all right, all
right, very cool.
And what would it take for youto say something is haunted,
whether it's this or anythingelse?
I'm curious.
I want to know this.
Like would it have to happenright in front of your face and
have no other logicalexplanation?
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I've been wanting to know this for the entirety of
this show, so I figured todaywould be a great day to ask it I
don't know, because I feel likeI would always try and discount
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it somehow, like if I saw ashadowy figure pass by the wall
I would say, well, I don't, thatcould have been car lights
going by, and we don't know.
We're not going to be able toprove that and I'm not sure I,
(01:04:41):
you know, didn't document it orsomething.
And you hear a creak sound.
As an example, squirrels willrun up the side of our house
we've got stucco, they can walkup the.
(01:05:04):
It sounds creepy if you're inhere and don't know what it is
right you know on the inside.
But the first time I heard thatI was like what the heck?
And then I saw, I was outsideand saw a squirrel running up
the side.
I was like that must be it, youknow.
And so, in the same way, evensomething that creepy sounding
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it's not that I'm gonna say thatwas a ghost, it's that that
could have been this, it couldhave been that.
I don't know yet.
Okay, so this is a long-windedsay, a winded way of saying I
don't know really because, likesounds, I would always accredit
as something else like.
(01:05:45):
So that's a like, literallymanifest in front of your face,
to be like hi gw, I'm real Idon't, I don't know, I guess
like it's so, so, uh, uh, slimerright is you know, in front of
me, even and here's the thingeven then I would say gosh, I
(01:06:10):
was tired, I was just about togo to sleep, I could have been
hallucinating.
I don't know what that was, andum, I, ah, geez, I, I guess I'm
saying I don't know, oh so, uh,your logical mind yeah, I mean,
let me put it this way nothingI've seen thus far has made me
(01:06:34):
say I saw a ghost that day.
You know, or heard it, becauseagain, like especially again
here, weird sound might be asquirrel on the outside of the
house.
Weird sound might be.
I mean when the washer kicks init sounds like a thud
downstairs, but once you realizeit's the water pipes, suddenly
(01:06:59):
no big deal.
You know right I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I'm just saying like now I kind of hope we're all
doing something and it goes,pops up, hi dw.
Well, you're like I don't haveto go all the way to to ukraine
for that, so I know well, yeah,so we went to ukraine, dw.
What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
it was, um, you know this, in terms of the places
we've quote, gone just becauseevery road trip with you is, um,
so incredibly disappointing.
Um, this is the one that Iwould want to see, but not
(01:07:47):
because of paranormal,paranormal reasons.
I've, you know, ever since I'veI've wanted to see this site
for years.
I've really wanted to go, butagain, not because I thought
there'd be ghosts, just becauseI thought it'd be kind of cool
to see.
You know what this place lookedlike?
(01:08:08):
I don't know.
Yeah, before.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Well, you see pictures of what it looked like
before.
Now you see the after and it'slike whoa, you know what I mean?
It's crazy.
Yeah, all right.
Well, that was that, and youknow this.
Usually at this point we weusually say, hey, where can
people find you?
But we already did that at thebeginning of the episode, so now
(01:08:34):
I guess it guess it's time forthis or that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
All right, so I guess , it's my turn.
Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
That's right, because last week it was my turn I did
it, and it was a good one, andit had nothing to do with food
really All right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
All right, you ready for this or that?
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I am Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
So polite you always see?
Have you noticed listeners?
Have you noticed that it takesa good five minutes from the
start of John saying we're goingto do this or that to him
actually asking the firstquestion.
Because he has to explain itand he has to like prepare them,
like okay, joe, are you ready?
(01:09:22):
He's like preparing someone forsurgery, yet all he's doing is
asking them superficialquestions.
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
It's good, anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Okay, let's stop wasting time, all right.
Chocolate or vanilla, oh shit,that's the one I prefer out of
those two.
You want Chocolate, chocolateHaving a barbecue.
Do you want brat or burgerBurger?
Okay, you've perfected yourtime machine.
(01:09:52):
Do you want to travel to 1825or 2225?
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Oh, travel to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
1825.
Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
It's weird.
I've noticed that most peoplesay 1825 because they're if
they're in to the paranormal,they want the old West stuff.
We did have someone who said Iknow about 1825.
I want the old west stuff.
We did have someone who said Iknow about 1825.
I want to see what happens.
But most people have saidbackwards but anyway, do you
want to fight with a lightsaberor a magic wand?
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Lightsaber Day one Lightsaber.
Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Mozart or Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Really, really.
Mozart or led zeppelin, really,uh, like what, like what I
would listen to.
I'm gonna listen to ledzeppelin, okay, six days out of
the week, but and mozart theremight.
There might be that one daywhere I'm like you know what,
(01:10:58):
throw in some Mozart.
Okay, what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
on Ghost Hunt with the Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo
in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Son of a bitch.
I think I'm going to goScooby-Doo this time.
I think I hit Ray and Egon lasttime, but I think we're going
to go with Scooby doo Causewe're going to.
We're going to, we're going toget some edibles, we're going to
eat, eat them up, and thenwe're going to get some edibles,
cause you know we'd like to eat.
So we've got stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
All right, sweet or salty.
Son of a bitch, I don't manThing is.
I know you need to be cuttingoff both, so it's a hard
question.
Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
My sodium is not too well.
I mean, whatever, we'll figurethat out.
My blood pressure was neverthat bad, so that's always a
good thing.
Well, not whatever.
Whatever, we'll figure it out.
My blood pressure was neverthat bad, so that's always a
good thing.
Well, not, whatever, that'sfine.
I want to go with salty.
Yeah, salty.
Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Is it better to sing in the shower or in the car?
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Shower Acoustics are amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon Beach
or pool Beach.
Yeah, pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon beach or pool
beach.
Okay, love the beach.
Yeah, I'm just wondering if nowI have to change this up
because so this is the last one,um alright, so this is the last
(01:12:37):
one, um all right, dw serene orjoseph stalin stalin that's
just to get back at me.
For every other question I'veasked the guests.
Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Black Mussolini.
Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Dang it.
That was my next one.
I was going to do that nextweek.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Let me see no, hold on.
I don't think Stalin would beas fun on road gigs.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Stalin, be as fun on road gigs.
You really think that you'rebringing Stalin with you to a
comedy club.
Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
He's opening for me.
He's going to get the crowdriled up.
Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
You have Joseph Stalin saying all right up.
Next is John Olsen.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Here's the thing I'm going to have to practice my, my
, my set to dwight using all hishand gestures when he was
banging the table.
Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Oh gosh uh, anyway, I have a feeling.
Here's the thing, though I, I,I'm, I am a uh, a cheaper
comedian.
I feel like joseph stalin wouldask for a bigger cut of the
track.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
No, so yeah, I think you know honestly, uh, I I like
you, you're one of my favoritehuman beings.
I only have two favorites.
So I mean, um, one of us done avery big pool there, uh,
recently, I recently had thethought of whether I should know
(01:14:25):
more people or less, and Ipicked the latter.
Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Um, make a new friend every 30 years, so yeah.
Make a new friend every 30years, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
No, okay, I'll pick you.
God, I'll be nice, I'll pickyou.
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
But here's the thing that was the Joseph Stalin slash
John Olsen.
But I can't say so.
How could I have asked that?
Because is the alternative thatyou're on the road by yourself?
So would you rather be byyourself or with Joseph Stalin?
I don't know Again.
(01:15:05):
This is why it's hard to askthat question to you.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It's hard, man, because if you go into a club,
and what if the emcee sucks?
Then you're digging yourselfout of a bigger hole.
So you have a sucky emce MC,then Joseph Stalin, then you All
right.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
So we have.
Mussolini, Joseph Stalin andyour headliner, John Olsen.
Okay, yeah, that is the.
And here's the thing.
Imagine the audience that cameto see Mussolini and Stalin.
And now you're up and you haveto make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Good job.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, you know, if I can get 50% of the crowd.
That's all I need.
Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
And maybe you're doing the show at Chernobyl.
Oh no, and here's the thing.
Normally you have Clubs willhave a certain time.
You need to be out of thereWith Chernobyl.
You need to be done in an hourand a half, otherwise radiation
kicks in.
(01:16:11):
Oh that's true, we don't wantto stick around for too long.
Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
No, we would have to get the hell out.
Yeah, all right.
Well, okay, dw, do you haveanything else for our friends?
Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
So we've already done everything.
We've told them where we findus.
We told them we did this orthat find us.
We told them we did this orthat.
We returned from our 16 hourflight.
So we're back.
Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, we're good to go.
Alright.
Well, that has been the Ukraine.
We'll be back next week with aguest and you're going to love
it, I guarantee you.
I don't know who it is, I can'tremember, but anyway we'll be
back.
Oh no, yeah, you'll love it,but I can't say.
(01:17:11):
I can't say but you'll love it,you'll figure it out.
Just give a tidbit, a littleclue as to don't say who it is,
but one thing it is a very, very, very haunted place that it's
been on very, very venue like alot of shows and documentaries
and, um, a very famousparanormal investigator from the
(01:17:36):
east coast been there and shecouldn't even be in the house
for very long.
So, wow, okay, yeah, justthrowing it out there.
Alright, guys.
Well, you know what that means,dw, alright.
Yep, it means that you guyshave been amazing, we have been
(01:17:58):
amazing, we have been Scalarius.
We are out Later.
Thanks for watching what's going on.
(00:31):
This is sclarious.
I am john holson and with me,as always, is dw, the disorderly
windbag serene there we go whatyou got there, buddy I grabbed
another um baja blast pineapplehard, so yeah very, very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I am drinking water, so because you've uh uh slowed
down the the thc drinks yeah,yeah, not I'm guessing, I'm, I
would guess.
Haven't stopped completely, butjust decreased how much
ingested?
Plenty, I just uh well, but Imean the drinks you've, you've
like yeah I'm not gonna drinklike I was.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Uh, I might drink, I might do one a week or something
like that.
Maybe I have other supplementsthat I can, you know, still get
it somehow.
Right, still get it somehow.
Yeah, I might have one a week.
I I can't, you know, if I'mgonna do this, I can't turn
everything down.
I can turn a lot of things downright away, you know, but when
(01:39):
it, you know, people offer mecandy or stuff like that, just
not doing the whole sugar thing.
I'm going to be perfectlyhonest with you.
That blood test kind of scaredthe bejeebus out of me.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, understandable, especially even in cans of
pop's like a crazy amount ofsugar and in, like we said
before, in thc, there's a crazyamount of sugar.
(02:13):
Oh, what I was gonna say is, um, uh, I had a relative who I
don't know how much, but lost aconsiderable amount of weight by
just saying no to sugar andsalt.
Yeah, like, not not completely,because obviously there's a
teeny amount of sugar and saltand pretty much everything.
But you know, left out anythingthat's like a crazy amount of
(02:40):
it.
Like, doesn't do saltedpretzels, he gets unsalted,
doesn't do you know chips thatare crazy salted and stuff like
that.
And then doesn't do candy,doesn't do, uh, ice cream, you
know stuff like that, and Iagain don't know how much, don't
(03:00):
know what the number is, but aninsane amount of weight just by
, you know, decreasing that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So that's crazy it, because you, just adding more
water, can do it too, like ohyeah, yeah, I mean that's
essentially, you just have toeat less, drink more water, boom
you're.
You're down like it's.
People get rich like millionsof dollars.
Listen, just eat less, drinkmore water, don't do shit.
(03:32):
That, oh my God, have you ever?
You probably haven't, mr Eater.
We just spent the last trip wewere on.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I know, for the record, I know I shouldn't be
eating them, even though I havethem all the time, but yes, go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There's not a whole lot of information.
You can't see the nutritionalfacts on the back of a donut,
but I'm going to throw it outthere, it's probably not great.
Did you know?
There's saturated fat ineverything, like literally
everything, yeah, and you'reonly allowed 20 grams of
(04:12):
saturated fat a day.
That's what they say.
You're allowed 20 grams ofsaturated fat a day.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well and.
I also heard that the food inthe us is so yeah is the worst
is so processed and sugar andstuff like that that there was
someone who I don't know howthey tracked it but ate the same
thing in some other country andlost all this weight because
(04:45):
the same food in other countrydoesn't have as much sugar and
salt and, uh, preservatives andand crap like that.
So yeah, we, we, we ruin ourfood here so yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So okay, million dollar idea eat less, drink more
water boom yeah, there you go,good, um, but yeah, so that
that's what, what's been kind ofgoing on with me.
I'm not going to say no toeverything because you know,
like I don't want to like my, Idon't want my life to suck, you
know.
But there's a lot of things Iwill be saying no to right away.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And, admittedly, the more drastic the change, the
less likely you are to keep upwith it, like if you just all of
a sudden said nothing sweet,nothing but fruits and
vegetables for the rest of mylife.
If you did that you'd probablyget sick of it, like not
physically, but you would gettired of it, you would miss
(05:45):
those other things and it wouldprobably not stick.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So that's why One time it's like a relapse, like a
heroin addict.
One time, boom.
And then you're done, right,right back at it, eating
freaking gallons of queso andbags of freaking chips.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's why, generally , the diets that are more
extreme don't don't last somepeople do, some people can stick
to it and some people are veganand vegetarian and all that.
But yeah, and mind youdisclaimer, I am by no means a
nutritional expert or fitnessexpert or expert in anything.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Me neither.
I can only talk on experienceand I will say this I did the
keto diet, yeah, and I freakinglost like a lot of weight pretty
fast and I was like tone, I wasprobably in the best shape of
my life, like sincerely, and ifI would have kept it up it would
(06:52):
have been amazing, but lifehappens.
But yeah, when life happenedright and I ate a carb and I
gained everything back plusRight.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I gained everything back plus something.
That's part of the whole faddiet thing.
Don't do that, just eat less,drink more water there was a
time just for kicks.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
She wanted to see what effect it would have.
But my wife did full vegan Likenot even just vegetarian did
vegan and I was like sure, I'lldo it with you, absolutely.
First off, it was crazyexpensive because she tried to
get vegan alternatives to stuffLike oh there's this, you know,
(07:41):
almond milk-based shreddedcheese.
Well, it's like five times thecost of regular shredded cheese.
But she got it, it didn't I.
I was like I can't do thisagain.
I I fully support you.
I'll do it again if you want to, but this I can't indefinitely
live like this.
I crave like meat you know likeI just want a burger right now
(08:06):
and stuff like that and the thealternatives never taste the
same.
So anyone who is vegan, Iadmire that you're able to do
that, but I just, I, um, yeah, I, I need a donut every now and
then and a a slab of meat well,I mean I don't want to get onto
(08:29):
this too much, but like,obviously, like kevin, kevin
smith had a massive heart attackoh right and and uh he, well,
if he wasn't high he would bedead.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, he basically said that too, which
is kind of funny.
But anyway, and again, andagain.
John's not a doctor, but he hada massive heart attack and he
went to vegan.
He's vegan now and he'sprobably the healthiest he's
ever been in his life, but Idon't think it's for everybody.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't.
It'd be like taking away peanutbutter for me.
I'd just say no man.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Like it'd be like taking away peanut butter for me
.
I just say, no, man, like youcan't.
No, it's not.
Peanut butter is probably, bythe way, another thing you
should, uh, not have quite somuch I have I did alternative
and it okay, it does the job,but it's not real, oh my god
because have you looked at thenutritional?
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeahthankfully, number one is
peanuts, but number two is sugar.
(09:30):
So anyway, that was healthminute by john and dw.
Yeah, we went.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Please consult a doctor before uh engaging in any
diet or exercise program,anything me or he says, because
he stuffed his face with donutsfor like eight hours straight.
He's not.
You're not the pinnacle ofhealth over there.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Pot and kettle.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're like Homer Simpson in Smithersers his body,
which is the weirdest thinganyway.
All right, so hey, you know,let's move on from the from
health minute to away fromhealth minute and go right to
selling our stuff.
(10:24):
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(10:48):
Maybe a cat leash and a catcollar.
Who knows you?
It could be either, or your catwhatever yeah, you can.
Yeah, a pet bowl?
Uh, we have coasters, notcoasters, coasters to put your
drinks on.
You know dw has his hardbound.
Do I just have water?
Right now?
That's all I have.
I'm being a good boy, I justhave water.
So, uh, you put that.
(11:09):
You know you can put your stuff.
I don't know what you'redrinking.
Uh, who knows, is this somesort of Chardonnay?
Uh, a coffee?
Maybe?
I have no idea.
Maybe a flavored water withcrystal light?
I don't know.
You could be drinking any ofthat.
What you, you drink it and youput it down right there on the
ghoster on your table, so youdon't get a ring on the wood.
(11:32):
You know, because you know yourgrandmother and your mother
used to say, like, don't putthat, you're gonna god damn it,
you're gonna get a ring on thewood.
That's what they're gonna say.
And so can't do, get theghosters, dw.
Is there anything else theyshould get?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
We've got phone cases , we have iPhone and Samsung.
Whatever, family, whatever,floats your boat, you're good.
We have various shirts withvarious sayings.
Of course, my favorite, I haveno idea who John Olsen is.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
And that's because yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Too bad.
This week they won't say that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, they won't.
Well, I mean, they could.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
They said it this week though.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, it'd be hilarious.
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And when you're there like notwhen you're there, but kind of
(12:41):
when you're surfing the net,because I know you'll be surfing
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probably over there on, beseeing like probably on Facebook
, probably over there onFacebook, seeing what's going on
with Uncle Paul, what's wrongwith Uncle Paul.
Uncle Paul's been doing shitand he's all up in the news and
whatnot.
So you've got to read up onthat.
And then maybe something elsehe's like is Aaron Rodgers going
(13:05):
to the vikings.
That's probably over to theside, and you're going to click
on that.
You're clicking on that andit's like, ah, maybe it's a, he
said, she said type deal, it'swill, they, won't they.
It's ross, it's rachel, that'sall that stuff going on right
there and the whole aaron rogersto the vikings thing, and then
and then and then maybe I donknow, you're kind of going
(13:25):
around, maybe you want to seewhat the weather's like.
It's nice right now, but is itgoing to be nice in a couple
days?
I don't know, it might be.
And then you're like, wow, niceweather.
Man John's always talking aboutnice weather when he talks
about Scalarius Saturdays on theScolarius facebook page.
(13:46):
Maybe, yeah, maybe, I'll youknow what scolarius huh, you
know what I?
I kind of want to know what,what dw is doing so and then you
go to dw3 comedian on facebookand then you find me and john
also comedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both together.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But not a couple.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yep, not a couple.
We can find us on the Scalariuspage, once again on Facebook.
We do have Instagram and aTikTok.
It's called Scalarius 8.
And you know, if you just wantto talk to us, you can, you know
, just email us SclarisPod atgmailcom.
Or if you want to listen toevery single episode that we had
(14:32):
all of them you can do that atSclarisPodBuzzsproutcom.
Hey, dw, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'm having a hard one to do.
Okay, are you supposed to haveone of those before you get on a
plane?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
as long as I don't know, you're the one that has
THC issues.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I'd be drinking a lot more than that, though.
Alright To get on a plane,especially this plane, because
our plane we're going to pack DW, are you packed up?
Yes, you are, that's good.
Did you bring warm clothes orcold clothes?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
What is it like there ?
I don't know.
What should we be?
I think it's a little chilly.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
What should we be?
I think it's a little chilly.
I don't know.
You ever seen Spies Like Us?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh, yep, yeah, that bad.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, that's a very accurate description of where
we're going to be going today.
Yeah, I don't know.
So you get warm clothesanything.
You have your passport right.
I've got my know.
So you can get warm clothesanything.
You have your passport right?
I've got my passport.
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You're going to get stopped.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Talk about this stuff .
Hopefully I don't get deported.
That'd be horrible.
Hold on.
When you're in Ukraine and youget deported, where do they put
you?
What horrible country would youhave to?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
go to after that, like do you see what I mean?
Like what are you deporting to?
I don't know?
I you're the one in trouble, soI guess I don't know anyway, to
find.
Uh, I want to see how long thisis going to take.
I'm trying to look up a flighthere it's a long flight, man
what the heck?
Why can't I find um.
They're like we don't fly there.
And what about this?
No, we don't fly there either.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Um you probably want to go to kiev.
That's where you went.
Oh, I gave it away, do you know?
We're going to the ukraine,guys.
That's where we're going.
We're going over to the ukraineah, can't find.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh, hang on, hang on, I I gotta find.
Sorry, my, this happens to meall the time where my curiosity
kicks in and I'm not going to besatisfied until I figure out.
Um, you're fine, we just figureout the answer.
Okay, so you, you deal with, uh, um, the dog who found
something in your bag, and I'lltry and get us to the Ukraine.
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All airports, hang on.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know me so well.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, one adult so you can get your own freaking
ticket.
No, oh, my gosh gosh, it cannotfind anything.
We can't find any flights thatmatches your search.
Why can I not get to this place?
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think that might be a question for another
conversation off of this podcastoh, geez what.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
What do I do here?
Okay, flights.
I swear I'm gonna figure thisout.
Um, maybe here's the thing.
You know what I just thought of.
Maybe we're just not flying tothe ukraine right now that's
what I'm saying as in uhanywhere in the Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, what about?
Well, we have to get theresomehow.
So where are we going to go?
So, how are we getting there?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
if we can't.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh man, oh no.
Do we have to fly into Moscowand drive over?
That's going to be a horribletrip.
I don't want to be at theborder.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm not going to lie, so hang on, I don't want to be
at the border, not going to lie,so hang on.
Why can't I?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
This is a mystery.
We're unfolding it here.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Like I say, this has just gotten me.
Oh, because of the war.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Oh yeah, Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
We can't go there right now because of the war,
but we're going to have to gothere, so we're going to have to
find a way.
Alright, so let's let me see ifwe can find out, just
hypothetically, how long it'sgoing to be.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A long flight is what it is, but once we get there
it's going to be a whole lot offun, I guarantee you alright,
let's play to the ukraine 16hours um.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's 16 hours if we're able to find a non-stop
flight yeah if we have to like,if we have a layover anywhere,
we could be talking 24, 26 hours, something like that, possibly
a day, um, also depending onlike where, specifically in the
ukraine, we have to go.
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But it makes sense it's gonna,so it's gonna take us a while.
Um, as you know, when I travel,I so I load up my tablet with a
bunch of movies, right?
So I put in my headphones andI'll be watching movies.
That way, I don't have to talkto you or anyone.
The only conversation I plan onhaving is excuse me, I have to
(19:57):
go to the bathroom.
If the person, if, like youknow, if I have to walk over
them to, if I'm, cause I'll,I'll, probably, I, oh, maybe I
shouldn't.
Well, no, never mind.
One of the questions wesometimes ask, sometimes for
this or that window or aisleseat, right?
So are you a window or aisleperson?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I don't like heights, so I don't care.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
to be honest, I want to be as far away, so you would
do aisle because you don't wantto look out the window.
I don't care.
To be honest, I want to be asfar like, so you would.
You would do aisle because youdon't want to look out the
window.
I don't want to look outsideyeah, I don't okay and see me.
Um, I now, generally I I usuallyfly not too far, so I actually
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don't have.
Usually if I'm going to um,florida that's, I want to say
it's like three hours, somethinglike that.
Okay, I don't have to go inthat amount of time.
I go before we get on the plane.
Right, I can you.
I usually don't have to go inthat length, so I usually don't
have to walk over anyone to getto use the bathroom, point being
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I like the window.
I feel like it's pretty cool tobe, to look out the window and
see what's going on.
I really like to look out thewindow.
I also like to um, if I can, uh, uh, prop my head towards the
side to take a nap, okay, um, soFor me, I like the window.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I like that much better.
I'm not into it.
I don't like the heights.
To be honest with you, thebumpier, it's not going to be a
good ride at all At all.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
16 hours then If we can get there, so if we, if we
could, if we could get there um,but right now um due to the
conflict, right, we're not.
We're's a um.
The ukraine airspace remainsclosed to all civil flights
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since february 2022.
Okay, due to the russian, thisconflict ends.
So let's, let's say they haveresolved their issue.
The conflict is over.
There is peace in the ukraine.
We can safely fly there nowpeace everywhere, baby yeah,
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that that's.
That's the.
The hypothetical I I'menvisioning is that the issue is
over.
That's what I would like to see, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Well, let's say hypothetically in this, the
issue is over and it came to apeaceful solution and everybody
is good to go and to live theirlives the way that they want to
live, like God freaking intended.
So let's say that happens,we're gonna go on our 16-hour
(23:15):
flight.
We're gonna land well, we mightas well land in the capital
city of kiev.
That's where we'll go.
Not a whole lot of like, I mean, we're just we're going to go
through all these little youknow places and then we're going
to settle in one big-ass placeyeah, one.
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That's going to be kind of fun,alright.
Ukraine has a rich historyfilled with fascinating and
eerie legends of haunted places.
Many of those locations aretied to the country's tumultuous
past, from wars to politicalupheaval.
Here's one Well, okay, we'regoing to skip that one, we're
(23:58):
going to come back.
So this is where it's going tobe fun, because this is a
different language, so I'm notgoing to pronounce this
correctly at all, but we'regoing to have Lviv's old town.
Lviv are probably.
Lv is probably yeah, yeah, eve,yeah, eve.
(24:19):
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't know.
I'm not even going to pretendto know this time.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It's home to many historical buildings, and some
are thought to be haunted.
The city's old churches,cathedrals and narrow alleyways
are the setting for many ghoststories.
One popular legend is that of aghost of a priest who is said
to haunt the La Cave Cemetery,which dates back to the 18th
century said to haunt the likecave cemetery which dates back
(24:52):
to the 18th century.
So yeah, eve.
Yes, if I'm pronouncing itwrong, let me know.
The hive, the hive.
I guess I don't.
That's the other one.
The Pisky village.
The village of Pisky, which sawintense fighting during the war
in Donbas, is said to behaunted by the restless souls of
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soldiers who lost their livesthere.
The area's desolation, combinedwith the memories of the
ongoing conflict, have led manyto believe the spirits of the
fallen still linger.
Memories of the ongoingconflict.
So we're talking recent.
Wow, wait what.
(25:34):
Recent.
Recent Like this is recent, Iguess the area's dissolution
combined with the memories ofthe ongoing conflict have led
many to believe that the spiritsof the fallen still linger,
unless.
I'm saying that, I mean unlessI'm understanding that
(25:55):
incorrectly, but it sounds likea more recent event.
Olesko Castle, located in theYiv region, olesko Castle is
another location rumored to behaunted.
The castle dates back to the12th century and has a long
history of political intrigue,wars and executions.
Some visitors claim to haveseen the ghost of a woman
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dressed in 17th century clothingroaming the halls.
It's always a woman roaming thehalls and weird garb.
You ever notice that?
Yeah, always.
Even my story, michael's story,was a woman roaming the halls
and anyway, and always peoplewho die in mysterious
circumstances exactly, it'sweird kiev's saint michael's
(26:43):
golden dome monastery.
Kiev, the capital of ukraine, ishome to several historic sites
with ghostly legends attached tothem.
Saint michael's golden domemonastery is one such place,
with stories about the spiritsof the monks and soldiers from
centuries past appearing in thearea.
So a monastery that's prettybadass.
(27:11):
A haunted monastery.
Last time I saw that one was inthe Nun.
No, that's not a monastery, isit Nunnery?
You ever seen the movie the Nun?
No, oh, it's amazing.
You should watch the.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Nun, remember if it's other than the gremlins.
I don't think I've, and it's ahorror movie.
I probably haven't seen it.
You should watch it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's good stuff, alright.
Kiev, perchik, lavra I have noidea if that's how you say it,
but okay.
This ancient Orthodox monasteryin Kiev is believed to be
haunted by monks and saints fromcenturies ago.
That's two monasteries, by theway.
Visitors often speak of seeingstrange shadows and hearing
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whispers while exploring itsunderground catacombs, catacombs
, catacombs.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Woohoo.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Alright, those are some some ghostly areas in
Ukraine, but you know we'reinterested in those ghostly
areas, but that's not why wecame here.
Nope, we came here.
(28:27):
Nope, we came here for probablythe most famous area, oh, yep,
and that is the ChernobylExclusion Zone.
Perhaps the most famous hauntedlocation in Ukraine is the area
around the Chernobyl nuclearpower plant.
The 1986 disaster and thesubsequent subsequent evacuation
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left behind a eerie, abandonedghost town of Pripyat.
Pripyat, okay, pripyat.
Many claim to hear strangenoises, see unexplained figures
and even experiencing strangefeelings of dread when entering
the area.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
When entering the exclusion zone.
Yeah, here's where now again,the skeptical in me is saying
obviously this is going to bekind of a spooky area.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Very spooky.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Just in terms of like .
I can't think of another placethat was once inhabited.
That's all of a sudden like.
No one lives there, so there'sa ghost.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
There's a town in Pennsylvania that's consistently
on fire.
Yeah, underneath it's notstable or something.
It's a like a mine or something.
I can't remember exactly whatpeople live in pennsylvania, you
know what I'm talking about.
It like, yeah, so it'sconsistently on fire.
So I, I mean I understand, like, yeah, there are places that
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are.
You know, I was gonna say theywere close, but that's not even
close.
I understand it's a nucleardisaster and that's what.
But I'm just saying, like thehaunted fire town, I mean, you
know it's creepy too.
That was my point in all that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I, and my point is just that an area like that,
that once had a thriving cityand is now not, is going to feel
weird, whether or not it'sparanormal, right, right.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So we're going to do a little bit of history on this
and then we're going to gothrough all of the places that
people have had activity in.
Okay, so paranormal activityaround Chernobyl, particularly
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in the abandoned town of Piripitand the surrounding exclusion
zone, has been a topic offascination for many, many years
.
The site of the 1986 nucleardisaster where the chernobyl
nuclear power plant exploded isoften associated with the eerie
phenomenon and ghostly tales.
The ghost town, the parapet,once home to workers and their
families, is now left in thestate of decay and its
atmosphere that fuels theparanormal stories.
You just said that, excuse meright.
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Some of the reported paranormalactivities include ghostly
sightings.
Many visitors to chernobylexclusion zone, including those
who have ventured into parapet,claim to have seen apparitions
of people, particularly aroundthe old buildings like the
amusement park and school.
(32:03):
Again, excuse me, some suggestthese are the spirits of former
residents who perished during orshortly after the evacuation,
while others think that thesouls of those lost to radiation
and the disaster itself hauntthe area.
(32:25):
There are also reports offigures in the old photographs
that don't appear when they weretaken, suggesting that what
people are capturing are nolonger physically present but
(32:45):
might still haunt the area insome form.
So first let's go back and let'stalk about the Chernobyl
disaster and everything.
So this place is stillradioactive as Jesus.
I don't even remember how manylifetimes of radiations in that
(33:15):
area, but it's not good.
So there was a horrible,horrible thing and I don't know
how many perished.
I can't remember that fact aswe talk right now.
Hang on.
But, Throw that in your Googlebox.
(33:39):
There, dw, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Slow down, okay, okay , uh, the response involved more
than five 500,000.
(34:01):
So is that how many died?
Wait, I thought so.
(34:28):
There's a consensus that atotal of approximately 30 people
died from immediate blasttrauma and acute radiation
syndrome in the seconds tomonths after the disaster,
respectively, with 60 in totalin the decades since of
(34:48):
radiation-induced cancer.
I thought it was way more.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's not a whole lot of people, but I think it's
because they evacuated like theyevacuated.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Well, you know so here's the other thing.
There's considerable debateconcerning the accurate number
of projected deaths that havenot yet to occur.
Um and long-term deathestimates range from 4 000 to 16
000.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So, because of the people in the general area.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Right, and did these people die from the effects of
the blast, or was it?
You know, I thought it was waymore.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So I knew it wasn't that many, because there wasn't.
You know, they did well ingetting people out of there.
But, yeah, unexplained noises.
Paranormal investigators andtourists alike have reported
hearing strange noises in theabandoned buildings and streets.
These include the sound offootsteps, voices, whispers and
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even the laughter of children.
Some of these sounds arethought to be the echoes of the
past, remnants of the people wholived there before the disaster
, forever trapped in a time loopLike Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, huh, all right, cold spots.
Cold spots are another commonparanormal phenomenon reported
around Chernobyl.
But to be fair, fair, a lot ofthe places are outside.
So I mean, and it is.
I mean I'm not 100 what theweather gets to, but it is
(36:29):
colder, I feel there.
Uh, these areas where thetemperature suddenly drops to
uncomfortable levels are oftenassociated with ghostly presence
.
Some people speculate thatthese cold spots might be linked
to the residual radiation stillpresent in the environment,
while others attribute them toparanormal activity, poltergeist
(36:54):
activity.
There have been stories fromthose who explored the ruins of
the parapet about moving objectsthat move by themselves or
falling without explanation,doors that open and close by
themselves, furniture shiftingor being overturned that one's
different and items beingdisplaced are common occurrences
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that have raised suspicion ofpoltergeist-like activity.
Furniture shifting or beingoverturned those are two very
drastic things.
Shifting is obviously justmoving a couple inches or
whatever else being overturnedthat's thrown over.
(37:37):
It's just kind of funny how itgoes from one extreme to the
other.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Let's go back to the cold spotstheory.
And it said something about the?
(37:58):
Uh.
It says something about thecold spots being attributed to
radiation sickness or radiationpoisoning.
So I mean, what do you?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I don't know, how do you, how do you know what you
saw is a spirit and not ahallucination, because you've
got radiation sickness.
True.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And maybe this is a quick Google search away from
you, but I'm sitting therethinking like just how
radioactive is Pyramid and whatI mean by that is.
So these people that are goingin there, they're obviously
going in there with I mean,they're not suited up.
So I mean, depending on howlong they stay, like, where,
(38:59):
where is that?
Yeah, did you find it?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
uh, no, so I mean, you're talking like you can
actually.
Well, you could visit it reallyin.
In 2002 there were guided tours.
Well, I'll be down.
Um, oh, and a little sidebarhere.
(39:39):
Uh, the peak was almost 125 000visitors in 2019, coinciding
with the release of the hbominiseries.
So hbo came out with theminiseries about the disaster.
Everyone's now interested in itand so a bunch of people in
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2019 went to go see it that'spretty cool.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So you know, I don't remember.
I think I watched thatminiseries, but I don't remember
them talking about anyparanormal stuff in it do you?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I would think they're probably more focused on the
disaster, part of it and theradiation rather than think
they're probably more focused onthe disaster part of it and the
radiation, rather than bringingthat element into it.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You never know.
Though I don't know, I'minterested in it.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think, and obviously I'm guessing, that
there's um uh suits or whateverthat you wear when you go to see
this, because apparentlythere's also a subculture of
illegal visitors that roam thearea for prolonged periods of
(41:00):
time, some of them uh, oftenwithout taking appropriate
precautions against radiationokay, so there is something so
there's still radiation, and atthis point I mean it's not
nearly as bad as it was when itfirst happened.
So at this point, how do youprove the radiation, or whatever
(41:23):
happened is is directly fromthat?
because, again, there were, um,I don't know how many thousands
of people that had, you know,cancer afterwards, but were they
able to prove that it was fromthe disaster?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
You know, so.
I don't know, that's just toobad and you know damn well.
Like if they were there aroundthe disaster and they got cancer
it was because of the disaster.
I mean, yeah, all right, theChernobyl howl.
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Some reports describe hearing astrange, unnatural howling
sound in the vicinity of anuclear plant, often attributed
to some form of paranormalenergy.
This noise is described as adeep, otherworldly and
unsettling howl.
While some believe this is anatural sound caused by the wind
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moving through the rustedremnants of the reactor and
buildings, others suggest itmight be the voices of spirits
trapped in the zone.
I, okay, I don't believe that.
I don't believe the voices.
I'm sorry, it's just me puttingon my skeptic hat.
I don't think that, but therewas something it said here
(42:53):
that's quite interesting and Iwonder if any of the other
paranormal nerds picked it up.
But said that this howl comesfrom a vicinity of the nuclear
plant, often attributed to someform of paranormal energy.
(43:15):
So if paranormal is energyitself, what is legitimately the
highest form of energy thatwe've ever discovered?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't know nuclear, right?
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, all right, I meanbecause the nuclear bomb is
probably like the most lethalkilling device we've ever come
up with.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Well, I mean, it's just like that, bye, bye.
But the point is that's energy,right that it?
If I remember nuclear energy,it's like the atoms and
everything else.
The atom heats up and all that,and that's what I mean.
I'm not I've been oppenheimeror whatever, but I'm just
throwing it out there, that likewhat if?
(44:15):
What if the paranormal activitythere could be higher because
it has the highest form ofenergy to manifest?
Off of Just throwing it outthere, okay, yeah.
It's not just an electrical boxwith EMF and things like that.
(44:39):
We're talking like, yeah, acore.
I mean the core, it's got.
It's a red.
You know, that's the elephant'sfoot.
I think it's the core.
But what I'm saying is like, doyou see what I mean?
Like that's there, it is.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Manifesting the shit off of that.
I'm just throwing it out there,I don't know, not saying that
it's the voices of the peoplefrom the past and things like
that.
I do feel that there might beenergy there and it's
surrounding that area and thehowl itself is, most likely,
most likely, exactly what itsaid here just the wind catching
(45:25):
, yeah, building.
But right, I am not discountingthe fact that it could be more
haunted because of the fact thatit's nuclear energy, just just
saying the presence of radiationand its effects.
Oh we, we were just talkingabout this.
Radiation itself though notinherently paranormal, I'm sorry
(45:46):
, this is funny Plays a role inthe atmosphere and the area.
Some people believe theresidual radiation combined with
the tragedy of the event hascaused some kind of supernatural
energy.
Okay, the emotional trauma andthe overwhelming destruction
could be factors and contributeto the sense of unease and
(46:08):
strange occurrences.
In fact, some paranormalenthusiasts claim that the very
radiation that contaminated thearea could be amplifying or
creating energy conducted toparanormal events.
I didn't even read that beforeI said it.
Boom, just say it.
All.
Right, can I get a?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
john was right about something there, there, I don't
know how.
Uh, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Just John was right about that.
All right, this is what DW camefor the amusement park.
The amusement park in Piripette, with its eerie Ferris wheel
and abandoned bumper cars, isone of the most photographed
locations in the exclusion zone.
The park was meant to open justdays after the disaster, but it
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never did.
Many paranormal investigatorsreport a heightened sense of
dread or unease when near theFerris wheel, as though the
place holds a tragic andrestless energy.
Some even report hearing thesounds of children playing or
screaming, though the park hasbeen silent for decades.
That's terrifying.
(47:23):
I can you know I could dealwith ghosts.
I can, like I, I, for the mostpart, I can deal with ghosts
like okay, don't like you'rehere, please leave me alone.
You know like that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, yeah, don't like you'rehere, please leave me alone.
You know like that kind ofstuff.
(47:43):
Yeah, but kids, uh, kids arebad enough.
Is it now ghost kids?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
do you mean your own kids?
No, just, just all kids,because it would make sense.
You don't like peanuts or, mrrogers.
You know the laughter ofchildren.
It would be another thing thatyou don't like, so it makes
sense that you know sunshine,rainbows, these are all things
(48:14):
that are, you know, not good foryou.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
You know, I tried smiling this morning.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I see that even made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I tried smiling this morning and it looked creepy
Like I'm like no, no, my smiledoes not say like hi, how are
you?
My smile says you're my nextvictim.
That's what my smile saysyou're my next victim that's
what my smile says.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's how does?
How does that go for you atwork?
Because you don't have apresence that says how many help
you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I know right, it's hard because people don't know
how to take me.
I'm, I am the way I am everysingle minute of the day.
There is listen, listen, I amthe.
Yeah, I'm the genuine article.
Baby, I am exactly who I say Iam, I am exactly what I say I am
(49:09):
.
There's no, there's no dodgingit, there's nothing like that.
John Olson, the person on thestreet is John Olsen.
The person on the stage Is JohnOlsen, the person right here
talking to you right now.
Yeah, anyway.
So my personality can be quitehard to read at some points.
(49:37):
So, yeah, it's hard, I don'tknow.
But anyway, um, I don't know howyou got on me and me not liking
kids.
First of all, like I, I'm notsaying that I don't like, I'm
just saying like it makes sensethat they'd be.
You know, I don't know, I justI have more tolerance for an
(50:01):
adult who you know of age, who'ssmart, and I said hey, dude,
listen, if you want to hang outhere, sit on the couch, cool,
but don't mess with me and don'tmess with any of my family.
I think they understand that.
You say that to a kid, you to akid.
You say that to your kid Arethey going to sit there.
(50:22):
No, we'll be up doing somethingelse.
They're just unreasonable.
That's all I'm saying.
It has nothing to do with menot liking kids I don't but it
means I'm just saying that ghostkids would be unreasonable,
especially at a damn amusementpark, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
You'd think at an amusement park they'd be happy
because they've got you know.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, no, mom and dad never give them exactly what
they want, and then you have tosit there.
Why are we waiting in line solong?
Why are we waiting in line solong?
Why are we waiting in line solong?
You want to ride the damn thing, anyway.
Mysterious animal sightings,this one I like.
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Another eerie aspect of theChernobyl Exclusion Zone is the
number of mutated animals andstrange creatures that still
inhabit the area.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
The number of mutated animals and strange creatures
that still inhabit the area,while most animals are now
returning to the zone andadapting to the environment.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
There have been reports of unusual sightings,
strange mishappened animals orsightings of animals that appear
to be ghostly in nature,possibly given the place of an
unsettling otherworldly presenceLike Blinky in nature, possibly
given the place of anunsettling otherworldly presence
Like Blinky, like Blinky.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Or the three-eyed fish.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, blinky was the squirrel right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
No, blinky was the fish, blinky's the three-eyed
fish.
Yeah, the three-eyed fish, butdon't take it out on poor
defenses, that's right, don'ttake it out on poor defenses,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Don't take it anyway.
So who knows?
I don't.
That's something else we needto look into of what they're
they exactly say are you know?
Is the?
Is the thing with uh, with uh,with chernobyl, you know, with
(52:27):
the animals?
Yeah, mishappen.
Mishappen does that mean likeextra head, extra foot?
Is that what mishappen means?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I don't know that'd be, that'd be interesting
ghostly in nature, like a whiteglow.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
That's just the radiation that's burns coming
out of the.
I come in peace.
It's a Simpson reference,ladies and gentlemen.
Anyway, the paranormal activityin Chernobyl is largely tied to
its tragic history and thepsychological weight of the
(53:01):
disaster, whether it's theghosts of those who died or
those who fled the eerieatmosphere of the abandoned
towns and the long-lastingeffects of the nuclear
catastrophe.
The region has become a magnetfor ghost hunters, paranormal
enthusiasts and those interestedin the supernatural.
While some of these experiencesmay be attributed to the unique
(53:23):
and disturbing environment,they contribute to Chernobyl's
legacy as one of the mosthaunted places on Earth.
That was Chernobyl, ladies andgentlemen.
That was Ukraine, ladies andgentlemen.
That was that was Ukraine.
Ladies and gentlemen, that wasMm-hmm, that was that.
(53:44):
Yeah, so, dw, if we're going toUkraine, would you Okay so say
we are not into the paranormal,just me and you going to Ukraine
, to I don't know what we'd bedoing over there right now, but
just saying we'd go over there.
(54:04):
Oh, ukraine, I think they eatpierogies.
Pierogies are really good and Ifeel you would like those a lot
.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well.
I was also going to say.
When you mentioned Kiev, I waslike is that the same as Chicken
Kiev?
And sure enough it is.
Oh yeah, that's supposedlywhere it originated.
Oh nice, I'll have some ChickenKiev while we're there.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You don't want any pierogies.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
What the heck are pierogies?
Speaker 1 (54:37):
I was telling.
It's like a, it's stuffed, it'spotatoes and cheese, and
sometimes they put meat in therein a.
I'll try it In dough and thenthey fry up the dough using
butter.
It's really good stuff.
Here in the great state ofMinnesota we have the most
(54:59):
amazing dip.
It's called top to tater, andyou can take these pierogies and
you can put them in top totater and eat them that way.
Yeah, it's like eating a friedturkey neck and gravy is what
that is anyway.
(55:21):
Yeah, so dw yeah we're goingover there, we're having some
paragis, we're having somechicken kiev yeah if we weren't
going over there for paranormalpurposes?
Would you want to see Piripitin the area around Chernobyl?
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I think I would, you know, not for paranormal reasons
, but I think it'd be kind ofcool to see this place that's,
you know, for lack of a betterterm deserted, pretty much, yeah
(56:06):
, oh it's jacked up.
Yeah, I don't know somethingabout it is intriguing.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I would want to see it, so yeah um, okay, so where
would you want to go in, in oraround there, like what would be
your, your favorite?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
place, I don't know, I, uh, I, I, I guess I'd want to
stay away from the center ofthe disaster.
I don't need to get too closeto the radiation, but I don't
know, I just To wander around, Iguess.
(56:52):
Okay, it's hard to say what myfavorite would be, because I
haven't been there and it's justsuch a big, vast empty space.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I don't know what the best part would be um, alright,
would you like the fact thatit's deserted, or would you much
rather have people there foryour own benefit, not theirs,
right?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
um, I wouldn't mind if it's deserted, if there's no
one else there okay, I thinkthat'd be cool all right.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
So does any of that creep you out in an unnatural
way, meaning like not the factthat you know 30 people died and
you know the horrible disasterthat happened, but in a
paranormal way would chernobylcreep you out?
Speaker 2 (57:55):
you know, again can't say without being there, but I
don't think so.
I you know.
You're saying there might bemore paranormal stuff because of
the radiation, the radiationenergy.
Yeah, but I'm saying, well,couldn't you be mistaken because
of that radiation, you know,and the, the sounds that you're
(58:19):
hearing, hearing, is it justlike we said before, is it wind
going through the windows oropen doors?
yep, you know if you're, if youfeel this eerie feeling, is it a
paranormal feeling, or is itjust because you're in a place
that's got a bit of radiationand there's no one living there?
In a place that's got a bit ofradiation and there's no one
(58:39):
living there, don't know.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Exactly, and how many heads would you like to see on
an animal?
Speaker 2 (58:54):
I guess how many heads are.
What was that?
Was that Lord of the Rings orwhatever?
That there was a no, I'mthinking of like Harry Potter,
that had like a two-headed orthree-headed dragon or something
like that.
Oh, really Wasn't there.
I don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Okay, I was going to say what animal would you like
to see it on, like here.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
let me put it this way I would not want to see it
on a dog because I would want tokeep the image of a dog as a
cute little, you know, normalanimal.
If I saw a two-headed dog, I'dbe very sad, I think.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, it'd creep me the hell out.
That's what it would do to me,but then again, two heads on
anything would creep me the hellout.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's true?
Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, alright, well, you know me.
I personally I'd be hanging outat the amusement park just
because it seems like it'd bethe most active, with the little
brat kids running around orwhatever, and I sure as shit
would like it to be empty.
(01:00:12):
I hate the fact that you knowwhat happened over there and how
it emptied out, but I mean lesspeople equals.
Okay, you know what I mean.
So, um, and I would like toknow just where you could go
(01:00:32):
around there and how long youcould be there before, uh, you
start feeling the effects I meanis it like right away, like in
star trek 2?
right guys, or is it like overtime you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
know what I mean.
And is it like what is theprotective gear that you wear
Like, does it protect you ahundred percent from it?
Or is it kind of like well, youknow to a certain degree, but
there's some that I'm trying tothink of an analogy, kind of
(01:01:12):
like a fire suit for a fireman.
You can put on that suit, gointo a fire and be protected to
some degree, but then if youcan't, just um, you know, walk
into flame and expect to be okay, you know.
So is it kind of the same thingwhere it protects you from,
(01:01:33):
like, say, 99 of radiation.
So if you're there for an houryou're fine, but if you get too
close to it or if you're therefor too long, again not a
scientist don't know what thedeal is with that.
So I just know, based on whatwe were reading, you don't want
to go in there naked.
Probably not a good idea no,probably so.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Would you want to ghost hunt it like I?
Don't know if me and you werelike, hey, let's, let's ghost
hunt, let's do this.
Would you want to like?
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
would you want to hear the answers to the
questions like I don't know ifI'd want to ghost hunt it, I
just want to see it.
I don't know if I'd want tobring an EVP or cameras or
anything like that.
I think I'd just want to see it, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So no ghost hunting.
Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Let's not ghost hunt this one.
No, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
So a scale of one to ten.
How freaked out would you be inthe dark in Piripette?
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
You know, this might be in the dark, might be a
little creepier than usual,because I'm assuming there's no
street lights, car lights, houselights, lights of any other
kind, so it's probably like verydark.
(01:03:08):
Um, that that might creep meout, I guess.
I don't know what the numberwould be, and not because I'm
thinking there's ghosts comingor anything, but I just think
that level of darkness would bekind of creepy in general.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So are you saying like a seven?
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, alright, very cool.
And so are you saying like aseven.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, we'll go with seven, sure, all right, all
right, very cool.
And what would it take for youto say something is haunted,
whether it's this or anythingelse?
I'm curious.
I want to know this.
Like would it have to happenright in front of your face and
have no other logicalexplanation?
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I've been wanting to know this for the entirety of
this show, so I figured todaywould be a great day to ask it I
don't know, because I feel likeI would always try and discount
(01:04:21):
it somehow, like if I saw ashadowy figure pass by the wall
I would say, well, I don't, thatcould have been car lights
going by, and we don't know.
We're not going to be able toprove that and I'm not sure I,
(01:04:41):
you know, didn't document it orsomething.
And you hear a creak sound.
As an example, squirrels willrun up the side of our house
we've got stucco, they can walkup the.
(01:05:04):
It sounds creepy if you're inhere and don't know what it is
right you know on the inside.
But the first time I heard thatI was like what the heck?
And then I saw, I was outsideand saw a squirrel running up
the side.
I was like that must be it, youknow.
And so, in the same way, evensomething that creepy sounding
(01:05:25):
it's not that I'm gonna say thatwas a ghost, it's that that
could have been this, it couldhave been that.
I don't know yet.
Okay, so this is a long-windedsay, a winded way of saying I
don't know really because, likesounds, I would always accredit
as something else like.
(01:05:45):
So that's a like, literallymanifest in front of your face,
to be like hi gw, I'm real Idon't, I don't know, I guess
like it's so, so, uh, uh, slimerright is you know, in front of
me, even and here's the thingeven then I would say gosh, I
(01:06:10):
was tired, I was just about togo to sleep, I could have been
hallucinating.
I don't know what that was, andum, I, ah, geez, I, I guess I'm
saying I don't know, oh so, uh,your logical mind yeah, I mean,
let me put it this way nothingI've seen thus far has made me
(01:06:34):
say I saw a ghost that day.
You know, or heard it, becauseagain, like especially again
here, weird sound might be asquirrel on the outside of the
house.
Weird sound might be.
I mean when the washer kicks init sounds like a thud
downstairs, but once you realizeit's the water pipes, suddenly
(01:06:59):
no big deal.
You know right I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I'm just saying like now I kind of hope we're all
doing something and it goes,pops up, hi dw.
Well, you're like I don't haveto go all the way to to ukraine
for that, so I know well, yeah,so we went to ukraine, dw.
What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
it was, um, you know this, in terms of the places
we've quote, gone just becauseevery road trip with you is, um,
so incredibly disappointing.
Um, this is the one that Iwould want to see, but not
(01:07:47):
because of paranormal,paranormal reasons.
I've, you know, ever since I'veI've wanted to see this site
for years.
I've really wanted to go, butagain, not because I thought
there'd be ghosts, just becauseI thought it'd be kind of cool
to see.
You know what this place lookedlike?
(01:08:08):
I don't know.
Yeah, before.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Well, you see pictures of what it looked like
before.
Now you see the after and it'slike whoa, you know what I mean?
It's crazy.
Yeah, all right.
Well, that was that, and youknow this.
Usually at this point we weusually say, hey, where can
people find you?
But we already did that at thebeginning of the episode, so now
(01:08:34):
I guess it guess it's time forthis or that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
All right, so I guess , it's my turn.
Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
That's right, because last week it was my turn I did
it, and it was a good one, andit had nothing to do with food
really All right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
All right, you ready for this or that?
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I am Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
So polite you always see?
Have you noticed listeners?
Have you noticed that it takesa good five minutes from the
start of John saying we're goingto do this or that to him
actually asking the firstquestion.
Because he has to explain itand he has to like prepare them,
like okay, joe, are you ready?
(01:09:22):
He's like preparing someone forsurgery, yet all he's doing is
asking them superficialquestions.
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
It's good, anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Okay, let's stop wasting time, all right.
Chocolate or vanilla, oh shit,that's the one I prefer out of
those two.
You want Chocolate, chocolateHaving a barbecue.
Do you want brat or burgerBurger?
Okay, you've perfected yourtime machine.
(01:09:52):
Do you want to travel to 1825or 2225?
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Oh, travel to 1825 or 2225?
Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
1825.
Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
It's weird.
I've noticed that most peoplesay 1825 because they're if
they're in to the paranormal,they want the old West stuff.
We did have someone who said Iknow about 1825.
I want the old west stuff.
We did have someone who said Iknow about 1825.
I want to see what happens.
But most people have saidbackwards but anyway, do you
want to fight with a lightsaberor a magic wand?
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Lightsaber Day one Lightsaber.
Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Mozart or Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Really, really.
Mozart or led zeppelin, really,uh, like what, like what I
would listen to.
I'm gonna listen to ledzeppelin, okay, six days out of
the week, but and mozart theremight.
There might be that one daywhere I'm like you know what,
(01:10:58):
throw in some Mozart.
Okay, what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
on Ghost Hunt with the Ghostbusters or Scooby-Doo
in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Son of a bitch.
I think I'm going to goScooby-Doo this time.
I think I hit Ray and Egon lasttime, but I think we're going
to go with Scooby doo Causewe're going to.
We're going to, we're going toget some edibles, we're going to
eat, eat them up, and thenwe're going to get some edibles,
cause you know we'd like to eat.
So we've got stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
All right, sweet or salty.
Son of a bitch, I don't manThing is.
I know you need to be cuttingoff both, so it's a hard
question.
Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
My sodium is not too well.
I mean, whatever, we'll figurethat out.
My blood pressure was neverthat bad, so that's always a
good thing.
Well, not whatever.
Whatever, we'll figure it out.
My blood pressure was neverthat bad, so that's always a
good thing.
Well, not, whatever, that'sfine.
I want to go with salty.
Yeah, salty.
Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Is it better to sing in the shower or in the car?
Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Shower Acoustics are amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon Beach
or pool Beach.
Yeah, pet unicorn or pet dragon, oh Jesus, dragon beach or pool
beach.
Okay, love the beach.
Yeah, I'm just wondering if nowI have to change this up
because so this is the last one,um alright, so this is the last
(01:12:37):
one, um all right, dw serene orjoseph stalin stalin that's
just to get back at me.
For every other question I'veasked the guests.
Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Black Mussolini.
Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Dang it.
That was my next one.
I was going to do that nextweek.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Let me see no, hold on.
I don't think Stalin would beas fun on road gigs.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Stalin, be as fun on road gigs.
You really think that you'rebringing Stalin with you to a
comedy club.
Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
He's opening for me.
He's going to get the crowdriled up.
Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
You have Joseph Stalin saying all right up.
Next is John Olsen.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Here's the thing I'm going to have to practice my, my
, my set to dwight using all hishand gestures when he was
banging the table.
Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Oh gosh uh, anyway, I have a feeling.
Here's the thing, though I, I,I'm, I am a uh, a cheaper
comedian.
I feel like joseph stalin wouldask for a bigger cut of the
track.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
No, so yeah, I think you know honestly, uh, I I like
you, you're one of my favoritehuman beings.
I only have two favorites.
So I mean, um, one of us done avery big pool there, uh,
recently, I recently had thethought of whether I should know
(01:14:25):
more people or less, and Ipicked the latter.
Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Um, make a new friend every 30 years, so yeah.
Make a new friend every 30years, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
No, okay, I'll pick you.
God, I'll be nice, I'll pickyou.
Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
But here's the thing that was the Joseph Stalin slash
John Olsen.
But I can't say so.
How could I have asked that?
Because is the alternative thatyou're on the road by yourself?
So would you rather be byyourself or with Joseph Stalin?
I don't know Again.
(01:15:05):
This is why it's hard to askthat question to you.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It's hard, man, because if you go into a club,
and what if the emcee sucks?
Then you're digging yourselfout of a bigger hole.
So you have a sucky emce MC,then Joseph Stalin, then you All
right.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
So we have.
Mussolini, Joseph Stalin andyour headliner, John Olsen.
Okay, yeah, that is the.
And here's the thing.
Imagine the audience that cameto see Mussolini and Stalin.
And now you're up and you haveto make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Good job.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, you know, if I can get 50% of the crowd.
That's all I need.
Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
And maybe you're doing the show at Chernobyl.
Oh no, and here's the thing.
Normally you have Clubs willhave a certain time.
You need to be out of thereWith Chernobyl.
You need to be done in an hourand a half, otherwise radiation
kicks in.
(01:16:11):
Oh that's true, we don't wantto stick around for too long.
Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
No, we would have to get the hell out.
Yeah, all right.
Well, okay, dw, do you haveanything else for our friends?
Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
So we've already done everything.
We've told them where we findus.
We told them we did this orthat find us.
We told them we did this orthat.
We returned from our 16 hourflight.
So we're back.
Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, we're good to go.
Alright.
Well, that has been the Ukraine.
We'll be back next week with aguest and you're going to love
it, I guarantee you.
I don't know who it is, I can'tremember, but anyway we'll be
back.
Oh no, yeah, you'll love it,but I can't say.
(01:17:11):
I can't say but you'll love it,you'll figure it out.
Just give a tidbit, a littleclue as to don't say who it is,
but one thing it is a very, very, very haunted place that it's
been on very, very venue like alot of shows and documentaries
and, um, a very famousparanormal investigator from the
(01:17:36):
east coast been there and shecouldn't even be in the house
for very long.
So, wow, okay, yeah, justthrowing it out there.
Alright, guys.
Well, you know what that means,dw, alright.
Yep, it means that you guyshave been amazing, we have been
(01:17:58):
amazing, we have been Scalarius.
We are out Later.
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