Ep. 73 What Lies Beneath: The Dark History of the 1771 Enfield House

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks for watching what's going on.

(00:31):
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen and with me, as always, is
dw, the distorted wang serenethere's a weak pop dude.
Why was that so weak?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I don't know this is so today is wild state cider
wild apple nice okay I got onefor you it's um.
It's a little dry, but got justenough sweet in it where's wild
state cider at is that here inminnesota that's the um, or

(01:06):
what's this one?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
yeah, duluth all right up there in the all right
ready, all right, that's whathave you?
Got sound like um it's you canhear the fizz it's uh aw
sugar-free soda again.
So oh right right, right, yep,yep, yep, yep.

(01:31):
Uh, still not doing the weeddrinks.
Uh, I don't worry, I adjusted.
So again, we're playing.
When will it kick in?
Um, it's always a fun game.
So, dubs, how have things beengoing?
We, we went on, uh, man, we, wehad an excellent adventure, we

(01:54):
had a bogus journey.
Now we're back and we're we'redoing some things, so like
you're, you're doing this.
Uh, bill and Ted, yeah, we did,yeah, so we had an excellent
adventure to the hotels, then wedid a bogus journey to Ukraine
and Chernobyl and now back tothe States hanging out going to

(02:17):
do some uh, going to do somechatting here in a little bit
with a pretty popular placeright here, yeah, so, um, yeah,
yeah, yeah how's things over in,uh, the serene manner.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, so we, um, uh, we actually our listeners might
not even realize it, because weprepared for it, but we actually
took a hiatus for a whilebecause, uh, me and the child
did a papa daughter trip towashington dc, oh nice.
So that's where we were forpretty much the whole week it

(03:03):
was.
It was awesome.
I had actually never been therebefore, so it was a first for
me as well got to see, we did abus tour and did the all the
major landmarks the washingtonmonument, lincoln memorial, um,
uh, aremetery, all those places,white House stuff like that.

(03:27):
Did that, saw the cherryblossoms, which were awesome,
and then also went to the zooand saw the two pandas.
So pretty much half the reasonwe went is the Smithsonian Zoo I
forget what the official nameis for for the zoo there in dc

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um has, on loan from china, twogiant pandas and uh they are.
They're very playful and notnot like each other, just like
on their own.
They just randomly like I'mgoing to do somersaults down the
hill and you just see herrolling down the hill and stuff

(04:12):
like that, and even the way theywalk it just seems like they're
happy trotting and stuff likethat.
So it was really cool.
It was.
I've also never seen so manypeople gathered around one
exhibit at a zoo.
Ever before there were so manypeople watching the pandas in

(04:32):
the panda exhibit outside.
I don't know how many peoplecame just for that, but yeah,
there were a lot of people there.
So it was a really good time,it was a lot of fun and we got
back late in the week and backto work and back to school and

(04:55):
back to normal life.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Reality yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
And you know, honestly, that was probably one
of her.
There were a lot of favoritesfor her.
One of her favorite parts wasjust the ability to stay up
until whenever you know.
And so we stayed up kind oflate a few nights and went to
bed very, very late, because Imean, for the first time it was

(05:23):
like like we had Very, very late.
Because I mean, for the firsttime it was like we had our plan
, like our agenda for the daywas oh, we're going to go to the
zoo, like that's it, so there'sno like urgency to get anywhere
or anything like that.
So it was very relaxed and soit was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
That's cool and I'm assuming that the pandas like
having fun doing somersaultsjust willy-nilly, and everything
reminded you of me hanging outwith me, I'm assuming no,
because the the pandas lookedfriendly, so but you know just
as well as I do that I amfriendly.

(06:02):
I just don't look friendly,right, right, we've been over
this.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
And here's the thing.
This is the dilemma we have.
You don't look friendly, butyou are.
I look friendly, but I don'twant people randomly coming up
to me, so we've got the reverseproblem.
So the pandas did not remind meof you at all, because they
were um happy and and playfuland and joyful so fair enough.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I I have joy sometimes, um so I would be.
It would be a wasted trip ifdon't do this, okay, go ahead if
several times during that tripyou were there, you didn't, in
your Forrest Gump voice, go allnations capital.

(06:50):
Did you say it?
Did you do it?
Yeah, in all nations capital.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, no, I did not.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I didn't do that Sorry, and the reason I tried to
stop you is.
One of the things that drivesme nuts about going on a
vacation is when you get backbefore, like instead of saying,
oh, you went to California, whatdid you do Instead of that,

(07:22):
what people do is they say, oh,you went to California, did you
see this?
Well?
California, did you see this?
Well?
No, did you see this?
No, did you see?
Like, don't ask me I.
I let me tell you where I went,because you're just going to
make my trip sound, you know, uhboring and uh disappointing if

(07:43):
you just list off a bunch ofplaces I didn't see.
I'm sorry, I didn't go to theplaces you wanted to go to, but
here are the places that I went.
Let me tell you about it.
I don't know.
It drives me nuts when peopledo that.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's the thing I wasn't going to go.
Did you go to blah blah blah?
Because I've never been there.
The only references I ever haveof washington dc is from the
movies.
You know independence day.
You know, uh, forrest gump ohyeah, yeah, you know things like
that.
So, yeah, there's our nation'scapital.
No, it's just, you gotta dothat stuff um.

(08:19):
Dw, when you were there, didyou get any souvenirs?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Um, we, I, I didn't.
Personally, I didn't get a lot.
My, my daughter did.
She is big on souvenirs.
Actually, I take that back.
I did get a shirt.
I got a t-shirt.
We went into a souvenir shop.
They were having a deal on,just you know, shirts that are
like Washington DC and fancyletters, stuff like that.
Um, I got one of those and, um,I, I got a coin.

(08:48):
At the, the zoo, they, they hadthis thing where they gave out
or not gave out, but sold littlecoins.
I thought that was cool, a nicelittle memento.
Me, I, I'm beyond, I, I don'tget a lot of souvenirs.
When I go somewhere, I feellike I'll take pictures because
I want to remember it, but Idon't need more stuff.

(09:09):
And that's just me gettingolder, I don't want to collect
material things.
Now, my daughter, on the otherhand, she's big on souvenirs,
right, but also not just forherself.
She's big on she sees something, oh, this reminds her of so,
and so I'm gonna get this forthem, get it for them, bring it

(09:30):
back to them and give it to themwhen I get back.
So when she goes somewhere, shelikes to get things for other
people, which is you know whichis very sweet.
She did, though one of thethings actually I don't and now
that I think about it I don'tthink she got too much for
herself but one of the thingsshe did get is she got one of
the t-shirts at um the zoo thatare you know panda something,

(09:56):
which, again, all purchases atthe zoo, you know, with the
panda stuff, go towards thepandas, so it was, you know,
kind of dual meaning, but thatwas one of the things she got.
She got a a panda shirt, sothat was, that was a cool one, I
thought so you're saying thatyou know she likes to get things

(10:20):
for herself and other peopleyeah, she's.
She likes to get things forherself every once in a while,
um, and this is, uh, in general,yes, but especially on vacation
, she does get things forherself sometimes, but she's
thinking of other people andshe'll even go through in her

(10:41):
head like I have to getsomething for this person and
this person and this person.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
I got something.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, so she's.
She's very, especially when itcomes to her friends.
She's very close with her, hergroup of friends that she hangs
out with a lot, and she has herbesties and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
So that's good.
See, we need more of that.
We need people that think ofthemselves and also think of
other people, especially whenthey're buying merch.
And, with that being said, ifyou want to get yourself some
merch or you want to getsomebody else some merch, and
it's for scolarius, thescolarius merch, not anybody

(11:20):
that you don't do like, you'renot going to come onto the
scolarius spot in in crowd madeand get something from limp
biscuit or or stuff like no,you're going to come to the
scolarius page and crowd made.
And you how you do that?
You go to crowdmadecom forwardslash collections, forward slash
scolarius pod, and you're goingto go in there and you're

(11:42):
you're going to get cool shirts.
I have a shirt.
I have a couple shirts, right.
I have one that says like I'myou know I didn't mean to offend
you, but I don't care if I didthat, that was fun.
Um dw shirt.
You know, here's the thing,right, that, yeah, all right, we
both have a shirt together thatsays you can find us together

(12:04):
but we are not a couple.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
But we're not a shirt together that says you can find
us together, but we are not acouple and then obviously we
have dog bowls or cat bowls, orhamster bowls, or maybe guinea
pig bowls we call it a pet bowl,for whatever animal if you have
a tarantula, you can drown thebastard in that, anything like
that, and then you know we haveleashes.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
If you have a tarantula, you can drown the
bastard in that, anything likethat, and then you know we have
leashes.
You can use it on an animal orfor fun with your significant
other.
Either way, it doesn't matter.
You can get it at crowdmadecom.
Forward slash collections,forward slash Scolari's pod.
Okay, everything is under $30.

(12:49):
Go get some gear, get someScolari's gear.
There's hats and all that stuff.
And then when you're there,you're probably sitting there
going like you know John'sT-shirt is really cool.
I wonder what John thinks ofhis t-shirt.
You know you could reach out tous and you know how you do that

(13:11):
.
Dw, do you know how you do that?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
You can.
Well, there's the old-fashionedI don't know if it's
old-fashioned, but we call itold-fashioned email which is
scolariaspod at gmailcom.
You can find us on Facebook.
I'm DW Serene, comedian.
On Facebook.
You're John Olson, comedian 2.0.

(13:38):
2.0, because you had to startover, I did, and then we're not
a couple, but we do have onetogether.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
It's called Scolarius , by the way, yeah, scolarius,
yeah.
And we have a tiktok scolarius,yeah.
And then we have the instagram,which is also called scolarius,
yeah, or even on threads, it'shilarious, yeah.
And then we have the email thathe talked about.

(14:09):
It's scolariaspod at gmailcom.
And if you want to, if you wantto, you can go back and listen
to every single episode that wehave at
scolariaspodbuzzsproutcom.
And also, you know, there's alittle thing in the episode,

(14:31):
every episode that we put out,there's a little thing that says
, like, talk to your co-hosts,because we're co-hosts, right,
not co-hosts, we're co-hosts.
Talk to us, throw a message inthere.
We had one that says I love DW.
Like, dw is my favorite.
Throw a message in there.
We had one that says I love.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
DW.
Dw's my favorite.
What are you doing?
I'm always looking for more ofthose.
So if anyone feels that way,feel free to send that one.
You can feel that way, butyou're wrong.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Anyway, yeah, just reach out to us, we can have a
conversation.
I swear, and you know, eventhough me and dw like to travel
to get well okay, I like totravel.
Dw doesn't like to travel withme because he he says I'm a
party pooper for some reason, Idon't know why.
Anyway, yeah, we, we went allaround the world and we're back,

(15:22):
back, and then we got to settledown for just a little bit.
You know, dw flew back from DC,but now, guess what?
We're going to pack our bagsagain.
Okay, sorry, dw, we're going tohave to do it.
We're going to pack our bagsagain, but this time we're going

(15:45):
to Connecticut.
Yeah, it, we're going to packour bags again, but this time
we're going to Connecticut.
Yeah, you know what's inConnecticut, dw, do you know
what's in Connecticut?
I'll tell you this.
I know you're not a fan, butthe WWF headquarters are in
Connecticut, stanford Not toofar.
Whatever, we can go there andhang out if you want, if you
want to.
This is why we don't.
Whatever we could go there andhang out if you want.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you want to, eh, this is why we don't travel
together, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
We could go get a hard roll at a deli.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
You're into that.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm with you there.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Maybe have a club or something on a hard roll.
Sure, fair enough.
Why we're really going, though,is we're gonna go and hang out
at.
Oh, this place is pretty famous.
One of my famous is some very,very famous people went in there

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, and a couple of them were likenope, and they bolted out.
Okay, it's a very, very hauntedplace.
I have with us tonight theowners and proprietors of the
Enfield House in Enfield,connecticut, the Yaple family.
Hey guys, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Hi hey, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You're all here.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Nice for having us.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're very welcome.
I'm excited for this particularepisode because I want to know
all about your house.
I reached out.
You guys were gracious enoughto be like hell yeah, let's do
this.
And I figured, you know, wetalked a little bit, but I
didn't want to know too much.

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So now, now is going to be thetime where we get to dig deep
and we get to know some stuff.
So, first off, introduceyourselves to all of our
listeners Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Mackenzie.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
I'm Mackenzie, I'm Jay, I'm Elka.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's very awesome to meet you.
I feel the same.
Same here, Even though he's notsaying anything, it's cool, all
right.
So you guys are in Enfield,connecticut.
Whereabouts is thatgeographically?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
geographically we're about, well, we're about 10
minutes away from Massachusetts,from Western Mass, by
Springfield Mass okay and uh,that's north of us, south of us.
We're about 15 minutes awayfrom Hartford, connecticut, the
state capital.
We we're right off one of themain highways, off of 91.
We're like maybe three minutesoff 91.

(18:30):
So we're also probably about ahalf mile away from the
Connecticut River, if less thanthat right.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yeah, and 10 minutes away from Bradley.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Airport.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Six Flags, new England.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, so all right.
Since I brought it up in theintro, I'm going to ask anyway
how far away from Stanford areyou?
It's closer to New York City,but how close are you?

Speaker 4 (18:54):
That's where John Zappas lives.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
John Zappas also lives there.
I suppose I could havementioned him, but no, I went
with WWF and WWE or whatever.
But yeah, go ahead.
How far?
No, I went with WWF and WWE orwhatever.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
But yeah, go ahead Like how far away from there,
are you Maybe?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
it's 25 steps Stanford.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Stanford.
Is it Stanford?
Wait a minute, she's checking.
Stand by, all right, it's okay.
Hang on, houston, we do nothave a?
Problem.
We're just going to our.
Let's see here problem.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
We're just going to our let's see here um turk
enterprise.
Okay, uh, an hour and 34minutes, all right, that's not
too far.
That's like a hop, skip and ajump.
That's like driving to I don'tknow what do you think?
Dw like mankato from us, maybea little further than that okay,
a little bit, so it's not toobad.
That's pretty good, jaunt.
Um, john zappas lives there.
Uh, that's, that's really cool.
I'm sure we're gonna get intojohn a little bit.

(19:53):
That sounds weird, but anyway,we're gonna talk about john a
little bit, you know, a littlebit later, um, so another thing
I want to bring up Springfieldmass.
Springfield mass is the home ofone of our podcasting friends,
the wicked wanderings podcast.
So okay.

(20:14):
Uh, yeah, they are.
Uh, they're there atSpringfield, so that they're not
too far away from youwhatsoever.
All right, 10 minutes.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
And you know what's also is what?
The birthplace of basketball,the Basketball Hall of Fame.
Yeah, james Naismith, oh yeah,very awesome.
Yeah, there's a lot Dr Seuss.
There's a lot of cool things.
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That's badass.
We have to get out there, DW.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
We'll go stay at their house in separate rooms,
because I don't want to,whatever that's hard, that's.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's cool, all right so I'll say that, and then
they'll huddle together bestthing, I'll slip you a 20 if you
take and turn off the heat.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know anyway, no, uh so now we're gonna go k here,
all right, oh my gosh thelights go off book me a red eye
flight out of there tonightthat's good stuff, all right, so
let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Tell me a little bit about, okay.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
First of all, tell me about the house and how you
acquired it okay, um, I guessyou guys want me to do the
history part, or?
How do you?

Speaker 5 (21:32):
yeah, yeah, that's our history book.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, you know so how we, how we got in a house?
That's a good question.
Um, I was working inspringfield, mass and, um, we
were looking for houses and itwas.
It was in 2006, well, be, evenbeforehand, the real estate
market went nuts houses thatwere like you know, 50 000 and

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going for 100 000 house, housesthat were 100 000, over 200, 200
and up.
So we could not find anythingaffordable.
So I was in a meeting and one ofthe managers was like hey, you
know, my husband is selling alot of his properties, jay, he

(22:19):
wants to start a car dealership.
So she said you know what?
There's a place up in Enfield,connecticut.
You know it's kind of run down,but take a look at it.
So, uh, yeah, that was thebeginning.
So we, we came up a coupletimes and, uh, you know, I mean
great people.
But he kept sweetening up thedeal.

(22:40):
You know, when we came up, welogged me, the house was house
was run down, it was in badshape.
But he said you know what?
He gave us the keys to comeback as much as we want.
But he said, look, we did it.
I put all the big ticket itemsin.
He goes, I put brand newboilers, brand new windows, all
brand new electrical, brand newroof he goes.

(23:01):
All you guys got to do is somesheetrock he goes.
You guys got to do is somesheetrock, he goes, you got, he
goes.
You know a lot of people intrade fields and, uh, you can
make it up, fix it up, turn intowhatever.
So we looked at it and elka'slike no way, no, it's awful.
She goes.
How are you going to work?
You know 50, 60 hours a week,and then she's pregnant and then

(23:23):
work on the house getting itready, you know.
But us guys were like you knowwhat?
We're Superman, you know, itdoesn't matter if you're working
90 hours a week and then cominghome working.
So we kept looking at it,looking at it, and he kept
making a better offer, a betteroffer.
So finally he says you knowwhat?
I'll let you guys have it for$165,000.

(23:45):
And I was like I stopped in mytracks and I should have known
right there.
There must have been somethingwrong, did he know?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I'm sorry, did he know, did he?
Know, about that?
I think he did.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
In the end?
Yeah, in the end he did.
I'll fast forward a little bit.
When we were signing the papers, let me go back a little bit.
When I would talk to this oneof the property managers there.
I'd be sitting in her boardroomand we'd just be shooting this
shit and she would tell me abouta place because I mean, but

(24:20):
they own a lot of reality.
So she would tell me about aplace that she'd be afraid to go
to because lights would beturned on, doors would be open.
She thought it was squattersand a lot of times she had to
call the police here becausethere'd be noises and things
like that.
Well, fast forward, when we wereclosing, uh, one of the weird
things that happened was um, I'mgonna, I'll back up after then

(24:42):
I'll let elka tell that part.
But when he got up to walk downthe hallway, I heard him tell
his lawyer he goes, thank god Igot rid of that house and I'm
like what?
So he knew, he knew somethingwas up.
Yeah, wow.
So we had no idea what we weregoing to be.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, he tried really hard Because when it came to
the signing date and the lawyersaid, well, we need a whole year
of house insurance and flatinsurance, and then that and I'm
kind of like I looked at Jayand I'm like thank God, I said
we don't have the money.
I put every penny in it, Idon't have it.
And I was really penny in it, Idon't have it.

(25:25):
And I was really happy becauseI thought I was going to leave
without peace.
But then John said you knowwhat I'm going to pay?
That as a housewarming gift.
He paid Over $1,600.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
He goes I'll take care of you guys.
He goes Rochelle wants you guysto have a house and he goes
this'll take care of you guys.
He goes I'm sure he wants youguys to have a house and he goes
this would be my housewarminggift.
He said I'll pay you 1,600bucks and we're like wow, wow,
yeah, so he wanted out of thishouse.
Really bad.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, he did.
So okay, you get the house.
And obviously the guy was hewas was scamming it.
It's kind of crazy.
He was giving you, giving you abetter, better offer to get rid
of it.
Most people want to take moremoney in.
He was willing to give it away.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Essentially, is what you're saying wow yeah that's
crazy so, yeah, it was reallycrazy and you know and know, and
I was like you know, I justthought, you know.
You know, as I look back, youknow when a deal is too good,
you got to walk away and I letmy guard down.

(26:38):
You know, I was like you know.
I figured Elka wanted to have aplace to raise a family and
maybe this was going to be justa stepping stone yeah, but you
have to say to 2006.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Well, that just started um coming up with Taps.
That was kind of like the firstuh ghost show on tv.
So we watched the two before wemoved and it was kind of like,
oh it's pretty interesting, butwe're believers so oh really no,
no, not at all.

(27:11):
So I'm kind of like, oh, that'skind of like nice, uh,
entertainment.
And so nobody really from us isthinking kind of like something
like that exists.
And then finding someonebelieving you too, that you
maybe have something in yourhouse, is a totally different
story.
Kind of like to find someone atthis time period to say, okay,

(27:35):
I gotta come how, come over.
And uh, even our priest saidstuff like this doesn't exist,
but I'm coming over and do ahouse blessing.
So even at this point it washard to get help yeah, you had a
priest come over do a blessing.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I'm assuming that was an actual housewarming.
It wasn't because you had anyexperiences yet, right, it was
just to bless it well, uh, we, Iguess we gotta back up a little
bit.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Um, what happened was when we, when we, the first it
should have, we should have seenit come, because, um, it was
just all coincidence, I don'tknow the day we were supposed to
move.
I had about 30 guys willing tohelp me, you know, and I had
trucks and we, I was all set andthen, um, it rained.

(28:22):
It rained so heavy that wecouldn't move.
So the following weeks, a lotof the guys, a lot of my friends
, were cops and things like that, and they were like you know
what, they had duty and thingslike that.
So I ended up with a smallercrew and now that weekend, now
that one weekend this is crazythe weekend we were supposed to

(28:42):
move, it rained.
The following weekend my uncledied, so I was supposed to go to
his funeral, but instead ofgoing to his funeral we were
packing and we had to move.
So we moved in.
Nothing went as well as wewanted to do, because I figured

(29:05):
it was gonna.
You know how us guys, we thinkwe were going to have everything
perfect, so, so our wives wouldbe all set, and well, they
handed me the first box andshoved me in the basement and
they just kept shoving basementboxes.
So living room stuff went tothe attic right, the bedroom
stuff went in the basement.
So we were looking for stufffor months.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
I found the milk in the basement, so we were looking
for stuff for months.
I found the milk in the attic.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, it was crazy.
So when we got everything going, elka was, you know, she was
seven months pregnant and I tookoff a couple weeks of work to
be with Elka and she was workingand didn't think anything of it
.
You know, it's an old house.
We heard our you know creaksand cracks and had weird

(29:48):
feelings.
You know, I always went by myfeelings and something fell off
and Elka had the weird feelingsbut just took it as an old house
it's.
It's over 200 years old.
So we didn't, you know, figurenothing was gonna.
I mean, we didn't think therewas gonna be some kind of entity
living in the house.
Well, it didn't take long, didit?
Things started to disappear.

(30:11):
We would put our wallets on thetable, turn around, our wallets
would be gone.
We find them on a renter side,or we go to put the keys down.
Our keys would be somewhereupstairs in the bathroom and it
was driving us nuts fire doors,open stuff out, yeah, so yeah so

(30:32):
at the beginning it was, um, wecouldn't figure out what's
going on.
So I didn't want, I didn't wantto believe because my background
, so I, I was like you know, Ithought maybe there were tunnels
, maybe there's somebody livinghere and playing some kind of
psychological game on us, youknow, and you know.
So I'm, I I'm interrogatingelka, like who did you give the

(30:55):
keys to and everything?
And then, um, then elka gotpushed.
Remember, elka got pushed downthe front stairs and almost lost
the babies.
Um, and how she was pushed wasreally strange.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
So that made me start thinking you know what he
started thinking yeah startedthinking that something's not
right.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Because no matter how many times you go to trip
yourself, your hands are alwaysgoing to go in the front.
That's a natural protection.
You know, you try trippingyourself.
Tonight your hands are gonna golike this.
Well, we came with two separatevehicles and I went out and she
turned around to come back tolock, to check the doors, to
make sure the doors were locked,and we still, we didn't even

(31:38):
own the house yet and all of asudden I hear jay help me.
I see her, I see her arms goflying behind her and she's
staggering down.
And as she's staggering down,I'm running and I'm looking in
the house to see who shoved herand I'm trying to get to her to
see if I can catch her.
And luckily she rolled on thispart of the arm and that's what

(31:59):
saved the babies.
So that stuck in my mind babies.
So that stuck in my mind and Iyou know, because that's how I
am like I start to play thingsin my head over and over
scenarios.
You know, um and uh.
I just couldn't figure out howthat happened.
You know we rushed it tohospital and so, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
So with that we saw it kind of like, ah, let's do a
house blessing.
But you actually told thepriest right that you thought,
of course me yeah my wife thinksthere's something weird in the
house well, hold on a second.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I want to go back to your point, elka.
Did you feel the push?
Did you feel yourself gettingpushed from behind?

Speaker 5 (32:39):
no, I didn't.
I didn't feel it, I was justkind of like, all of a sudden I
feel like someone uh reallypulled the almost like the, the
carpet under my feet and I'mkind of like and I stumbled,
because we have several stepsgoing down and I stumbled them

(33:00):
all down, but then at the end,with the side curve, that's
where I fell.
Actually I couldn't, couldn'tmake it anymore.
But he said what the hell didyou do?
Your arms were flying in theback and, um, I don't know,
cannot believe yeah, to this day, I I never seen nothing like
that so um, yeah, so now howlong do we have?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Do we have an hour, two hours, or how long is the
show?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know, if it's as interesting as it is right now,
we'll go as long as we can.
All right, trust me.
I would say you know what We'vehad people on.
I was going to say we've hadpeople on that were telling
stories.
So, yeah, I'm interested in inthis, so all right.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
So what I would say tonight leave the, leave the
lights on and get your blankies,because when we, when we go
into some of these stories,you're gonna be wishing you
never met us.
Um, damn.
So we move in.
And you know, like I said,things were just happening and I
started to interrogate elk.

(34:10):
I'm like who did you give thekeys to?
Did you give them to yoursister?
Is there anybody?
And she's like I didn't give toanybody.
I changed the locks four timesbecause it didn't make any sense
.
Like you could come home fromdunkies, you know, from dunkin
donuts, and you put the dunkindonuts on a table and then you
run upstairs to come back, to goto the bathroom, and you come

(34:30):
back and you're like where's mycoffee?
And then I'll be like you puton on the table and then she'd
be like where's my pocketbook?
Then we would find him in arenter's side, which is the next
door, because there's a duplexand it was driving us crazy.
So, as that was happening, um,elka was still trying to work

(34:51):
for the doctor's office.
I was working, um, then thedoctor's office uh, made elka
stay home and uh, that's whereit started getting even stranger
yeah, that's why somebody thereall the time like now really
something is not not normal thisis, yeah, this is where I think
she starts to really believe,because I'd be at work and I'll

(35:15):
start.
I'll start with one thing I lether feel I, I, I would get a
call and at my office, jay, gethome now and I'll explain, go
ahead.
I'll go explain what happenedwith the DOG, I mean not the DOD
, but the.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
DOJ.
No, I mean, yeah, that day.
I mean I called them for a lotof stuff, kind of like that
stuff moved or stuff got bangedor the dog was flying through
the air.
But this was particular, when Iwas bed rested at the end and I
, um, we were still notcompletely um everything on the

(35:50):
place where it's supposed to.
So, um, our bedroom was stillwith boxes and we had at this
point we had two little Yorkiesand they were laying with me on
the bed and all of a sudden, um,they started kind of like
looking around and startedcrawling, barking.
So of course I was, you know,eight months then and twins, so

(36:14):
I was not that fast anymoregetting out of bed.
So I was half out and I look outof the door and I watch this
black dog this big black dogblack dog and through our
hallway we have as our bedroom,and then we have a hallway where
we're supposed to be in thenursery and on the other side is

(36:35):
the wall to the renter's side,and he came from the nursery and
like he walked pretty slow andby the time he was kind of like
halfway through on the door.
I am finally got up and I sawhim going into the wall into the
renter side.
So and that's where I actually,I have to say I personally lost

(36:58):
it and I called him.
I said there's something weirdgoing on.
We had just the black dog goingthrough the hallway and he said
what do you mean?
And I said and there'ssomething weird going on.
We had just a black dog goingthrough the hallway and he said
what do you mean?
And I said and I don't know,and the weirdest part on top, he
walked through the wall.
And so he thought first, kindof like I have some issues well,
all you said is get home fast.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
So I came home and when she described it, I'm
thinking, you know, okay, she'spregnant.
You know, people say hormones.
Because I'm like where is thissix foot dog, wolf-like creature
?
You know where's it going to go?
So that started making mereally start thinking.
Okay, maybe there are tunnelshere, maybe there are hidden
rooms that we don't know aboutbecause we're, you know, we're

(37:42):
missing things, missing things.
Okay, now a giant dogdisappears.
So now I'm kind of going crazybecause what people realize, I'm
going up to old walls, I'mbanging on them, I'm trying to
find out their hollow.
I'm in the basement with, youknow, with like incense and a
flashlight, looking for drafts.
Um, it was starting to drivecrazy because I'm like I, I'm

(38:04):
because she doesn't get scared.
So, um, you know, I, I finally,after looking through the house
, I said that there's, there'sno black dog here and she said,
man, she goes, there was reallyone here.
I'm like, okay, you know,there's a giant black dog.
So and it started, it kepthappening and, um, so around

(38:24):
December we got the Christmastree up.
We still had boxes.
We moved in in September and Icame home from work it was on my
birthday.
It was in December and Iremember standing taking
pictures of the Christmas treeand I noticed there was a big
white light and I said, oh,that's a reflection from a
little ball.

(38:44):
So I take another picture witha digital camera.
Now the light moves on to wehave these wooden blinds.
Now, as I'm looking at thelight, I want to see what it was
.
Now I see a man's face with hishair pulled back back in the

(39:05):
middle part, in the middle witha mustache and the light is
covering a part of his face.
So I'm like ha ha ha, that mustbe me.
I reached up, I was wearing abaseball hat and I said that's
not me.
So I told her about that.
She's like I don't want to know, I don't know about it.
So, um, we made it through thewinter time.
The babies came and it gotweirder.

(39:27):
Um, the babies were bornpremature.
Uh, I came home the very firstnight and it takes a lot to
scare me and, um, the house feltlike it was energized.
It felt like somebody pluggedthe house into an outlet.
The dogs were restless,everything, and I think that was
the very first time where youknow what I left every single

(39:48):
light on in the house,barricaded the doors and went
upstairs and I was tossing andturning and where the tv was I
could look at at that time wasthe doorway that went to the
attic.
And there was no door on theattic, it was just there.
So I'm laying there about twoo'clock in the morning and I'm
just thinking okay, jay, yourwife just had babies.

(40:11):
It's separation anxiety.
You know, you can't sleep,you're nervous.
It's because you're home alone.
And then all of a sudden, whathappens?
This ball light comes shootingdown the stairs.
Woof, right.
So I thought well, okay, logical, a car must have drove by

(40:35):
Somehow, it must have reflectedoff of a mirror or something
like that and projected down thestairs.
So 15 minutes later, anotherball light, whoosh, comes down
the stairs.
So now I get up and I'm likeanybody's up there, you gotta
leave.
Listen, the house is nowoccupied.
We bought the house.
If I come up there, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
So I went to lay back down andI said, screw this, I'm not

(40:59):
gonna get any sleep.
I get up, I drive right to thehospital.
Now here's the crazy part thoselights.
Elka sends me up there a fewweeks later to go to the attic
and I start looking around andyou know what?
There's no way lights can comein from the outside.
We had cardboard boxes stillpacked up in front of all the

(41:23):
windows, so somehow those lightshad to come from an internal
source, and it was.
It was it again.
That was the second thing thatpuzzled me.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
So, as this time's going on, things are ending up
yeah, that's where we actuallydecided kind of like, okay,
maybe we're gonna do a houseblessing yeah, because you were
in the hospital.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
She went in the hospital.
Um, uh, the babies are in thehospital.
She had to go in the hospital.
So I went to the hospital, Ipicked her up and I says we got
to talk and she had no idea whatI was gonna say, so I took her
out to eat, I said we got totalk and I said I, I don't know
how you're gonna handle this.
And she, she didn't know if Iwas gonna ask her, if we were

(42:04):
going to be you know whatever.
So, anyhow, we go out there.
And I said you know what?
I think something's wrong withthe house.
And she's like you too.
She goes.
I pray that you don't have togo to work.
She goes every time you go towork.
Go ahead, I'll go tell themwhat the thing was, yeah,

(42:26):
everything happening.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
I saw shadows, black shadows, or yeah, I put laundry
in it and in the dryer, and thenthe dryer to open the clothes
out, and then I put them in, andan hour later I go downstairs,
the dryer to open and and thestuff out again.
So when I started making fun Isaid what, the next time, if you
take the clothes out, pleasefold them?
And.
And then that's where I sawthat big mask coming behind the

(42:51):
boiler and I'm kind of like,okay, I guess you don't want to
fold my clothes.
So I was running upstairs andlocked the door and I called him
again.
I said we have some weird stuffdown in the cellar, weird big
mass kind of like.
I don't know what it is, but itis huge.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
So so, yeah, as so as that happened.
Um, how we got into calling thepriest was, uh, a first easter.
It was early spring of 2007.
We went out to eat at a germanrestaurant, came back I was
finishing up doing some likelittle dishes and Elka comes
running over JJ, and the babiesare crying, the dogs are barking

(43:30):
and she's like somebody isscratching on the walls and
banging.
I can't tell if they want tocome in or get out.
So I go over by the door and myheart's beating a hundred miles
an hour Cause I don't knowwhat's going on.
So I look out the window.
I don't see anybody there.
So I slowly open the front door, I look up and down the street.
There's nobody there.

(43:51):
So I said you know what we'regonna call in the local priest.
I'm gonna go down to the cityhall and find out if anybody
died here.
So, the local priest I didn'trealize how local he was, he, he
was walking down the road.
So I met him and I said, uh,father john.

(44:12):
I said, uh, you know, my wifethinks there's something in the
house.
He's like like what do you mean?
Like a squirrel, a chipmunk?
I'm like no more.
Like I said a ghost.
And he says jay, there's nosuch thing as ghosts, because
that was all made up byhollywood and fictional.
He goes and I'll prove it toyou.
So he comes in the house, hegoes on my side right, he's

(44:33):
throwing holy waters around.
He goes everything, I'll seenothing here.
He goes to the renter's side.
I got table saw set up becauseI'm doing a whole construction
over there.
It's like, oh, I love the smellof fresh wood and go.
So holding he blesses it, right, I said father.
I said one more room, I saidthat's the attic, it's no
problem.
But what we noticed was on theattic door there must have been

(44:57):
about I'm not lying at least 10locks, all different kinds of
locks to lock that door and Iand I always wonder what are
they trying to keep either in orout, you know.
So he unlocks everything.
He goes to, he goes to walk in.
He takes three steps up and hefreezes and he's staring,

(45:17):
whatever he saw, scared theliving crap out of him.
He goes to take one more stepup and and he stops and he
throws holy water down.
He makes a sign of a cross, hebacks out.
He never turned his back on it.
He backs down, backs out, slamsthe door, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, locks, everythingturns and runs.

(45:40):
I'm like, father, where are yougoing?
And he's just running, boom,boom, boom down the stairs.
He gets one foot on the insideand one outside.
It looked like he saw the devilhimself.
He looked at me with hisfrantic look he goes, ignore it,
it will go away.
And he was gone.
So I'm like you just told methere's no such thing as ghosts
or demons.

(46:01):
And now you're, he's runningfor his life.
So elka comes out, she's making, you know, coffee and tea, and
she goes where did the priest go?
I said he's gone, he ain'tcoming back, you know he's, he's
just gone.
So, um, now, as that'shappening, now it gets more
crazier now.
Now it starts to, now, now, ifyou were making a cake or

(46:24):
cookies, now the batter, youknow, starting to take form.
I go down to the city hall and Imeet this wonderful lady.
Her name's Colleen, she runsthe department and I said,
colleen, I need a list ofeverybody who owned my house.
She goes, well, what's theaddress?
So I tell her she goes, yeah,no problem.
She goes, it's a dollar copy.
I said not a problem.

(46:46):
So she starts going from wherewe bought it.
And then she starts goingdownward and all of a sudden she
stops and she reaches in hershirt and she pulls out this
very old Celtic cross and shekisses it and she says is there
something you're not telling meabout your house?
I'm like why, would you ask?
I said that's a weird question.

(47:07):
I didn't want to tell her.
I was crazy.
I thought it was haunted.
Um, so she's like we haven'teven got out of the 20th century
.
She goes, a lot of people own ahouse.
She goes, if you know, this isgoing to be very expensive.
Because how about this, jay?
I write down when the house isbought, sold, the page number
and volume, and I'm like, okay,so she's going around and she's

(47:30):
doing more things and she'sgetting more freaked out.
So she stops me and she saidyou know what?
Do you have your phone number?
So I gave her my office number.
I gave her my, my, um, my, uh,oh, my god, the beeper number.
I forgot about having thosebeepers on you, right, and all
that stuff gave her home numbers.
So a week goes by, I get aphone call.

(47:52):
Um, are you sitting down?
I said yeah, why?
What's going on?
she says um there was a guy thatlived there and, uh, he
committed a bunch of murders andthen he came back and killed
himself.
But she was that she goes.
But so I'm like when was this?
She goes?
1930.
So she said, but the good thing, she goes.

(48:14):
I find a family from 1960 to2000.
She goes.
They had six kids.
She goes, jay, look on thebright side.
They must have had a happy life, right?

Speaker 5 (48:24):
I'm like yeah a week goes by.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
They were actually the longest here yeah, besides
the other family yeah so now itgets crazier.
A week goes by.
Hey jay, I said yeah, she goes.
Uh, you know that family thatwe were laughing about and I
said they must have had a happylife.
I said yeah, she goes.
They didn't she goes.
They all got picked off one byone.

(48:49):
I said what the hell is goingon here?
So she makes up a list.
Too bad, I don't have it withme now you want to go get it and
then I'll let you talk, right?
so she comes back and she has alist like this of everybody that
owned my house and I'm likewhat is going on?
She goes.

(49:09):
They didn't have those oldhouse.
She goes.
When you built a house, shegoes.
You kept it in your family.
She goes.
So many people only had it forthree months.
So she's like something's notright.
She goes.
What's going on?
I said you know you're going tothink I might be crazy.
I said I think I might behaunted.
Colleen, she goes.
You think she goes.

(49:31):
I'm going to dig more.
Well, she had access to deathrecords.
She had access to all the goodthings.
So, as this is all happening, wedecided you know what we got to
do something, because now we,we, we know that this is no
longer.
You know a bump in the night.

(49:52):
You know we would be watchingsaturday night live and um, elka
went out, um, over to the sinkand got a glass of water.
And as she's walking back, I'mlaying on a couch and the babies
were sleeping in their littlerockers and all of a sudden she
drops the glass and she's likeoh my god.

(50:13):
She's like how did you do that.
Well, the baby diaper changingbag, the handle levitated
straight up in the air and itcame down.
So it started off like that andthen it ramped up.
So I I'm gonna let you ask somequestions, because when I start
talking I can just keep goingand I can go off tangent.

(50:34):
So no, it's all good it gets, itgets really crazy.
Um.
So, as all this is happening,um, between elka calling me up
saying, get home, get home now.
Um, I would leave my office, Iwould fly home and then I would
have colleen be calling.
You're not going to believethis, believe that.

(50:56):
So this is the list thatcolleen had given me of
everybody that lived here.
So now, yeah.
So now I have a hard timebelieving already in ghosts.
But now I have another thing Iuncover is numbers right, 22 and

(51:20):
11.
And I'm going to tell you thisis going to freak you guys out.
I mean, you got a guy comingfrom a little bit of a law
enforcement background in themilitary.
You got somebody who's you knowknow, uh, it's really hardcore,
you know.
And now I have this up, thereare, there is ghosts, and now

(51:42):
I'm also looking at something Idon't understand and I'm trying
to piece it together.
So we go to call in our firstparanormal team.
So at that time my sister wasalive, we had the babies and um,
we were using the old.
I know a lot of people don'tremember these, but remember the

(52:04):
old telephone books, right.
So we had telephone books, right, and uh, we were looking for,
uh, paranormal teams, whatever.
So we came across, uh, a localgroup in Suffield.
They were two college policeofficers and things like that.
So they come over and they'retalking and they split up.

(52:24):
The guys came over towards thedining room with me and the
woman went in the living room.
Well, now things got real.
All of a sudden there was agiant banana plant and they were
talking and they watched this,this huge plant, slide across
the floor by like six feet.
They're trying to get the guysover there.

(52:45):
But now the guys are in mydining room and they're watching
this little tea light um, withlike a bird cage and when you
walk it is swaying with thevibration.
But now it's bouncing up anddown and it can't do that.
So now they're like, hey, guys,get over here.
They're like, hey, guys, getover here and they're taking

(53:06):
pictures and they're recordingthings, and they're like you
know what, we'll be back incontact with you.
They never came back.
They called me up and they saidoh, we're busy, we're busy.
They never came back.
So now we started a journey on.
We must've went through atleast a dozen, maybe a dozen and

(53:27):
a half paranormal teams.
We ended up going through abouteight to 10 priests, shamans,
native American shamans, rabbis,real witches and everything, to
find out what this entity was.
So, in the process of doingthis, guys, it started to be a

(53:51):
journey because we met someawesome people along the way.
I mean some.
Some people ran out of thehouse and did not even know how
to begin to handle it.
Other people got so affected tothis day they won't come back,
and other people fought it rightto the bitter end.

(54:13):
So it was a really big journey.
So I guess I'm gonna go backand I'll explain this a little
bit and I'll let elka take over.
You guys want to hear some ofthe bloody history to the house
before we get into our story, oryou want?
To hear our story yeah, goahead yeah I'd like to hear
bloody history all right.

(54:35):
So colleen had made up this list, right, and we didn't
understand him.
But we see the house gets soldby this henry thompson.
Now remember these dates.
This is going to freak you guysout.
By the end of the show he sellsa house, looks, looks, harmless
.
May 11th 1846.

(54:59):
He sells it to a gentleman,another wealthy man, named
horace abby.
Well, horace abby's living here.
So colleen writes down the 22ndof May.
So here's the first 11, and nowyour first two, two.
The 22nd of May 1851, carolineAbbey sells it to Shabu Parsons.

(55:26):
So Colleen looked to see whathappened to Horace Abbey.
Well, horace Abbey was founddead in the house, 1849.
Guess what date, february 22nd,they said on his death record.
Well, they didn't have a lot ofmedical back then.
They saw him, probably his head, all in blood, and they said

(55:46):
well, he died from sahibo,hemorrhaging, and they took his
body out.
Now where it gets interestingHorace Abbey again, this was at
one time this was a very wealthyneighborhood.
His daughters he had twodaughters and his wife, who's is
one of his daughters, grows upand marries another wealthy man

(56:07):
who, um their family, ownedLovejoy Ferry.
This is history, I love history.
And, uh, she goes to build ahouse that used to be right next
to us before they built like anin-law house.
Next to us.
They build this big gray house.
So kyleen gets hooked on thesepeople like a soap opera.
She pulls her destiny of it andshe says you're not going to

(56:28):
believe what happened.
She goes horace abby daughterburns to death.
She said her destiny said thatCharlotte died from burns from
her whole entire body.
And I'm like that's kind ofweird.
I said first he dies and shedies.
So she said I'm trying toresearch the other family.
So all of a sudden the housegets sold.

(56:53):
Remember the 22nd May 1851.
The Abbey's Horace Abbey'sfamily sells it to this.
This guy from Ireland orScotland, his name is Chabot
Parsons.
But now, do you guys believethat you can actually see a
physical ghost?
Do you think that a ghost canappear like we do?

(57:14):
Because I'm going to tell you Ithink we met one.
So, as this was happening inthe house, we would hear
somebody taking a cane and goingup and down the baby's cage.
I'm not baby's cage, jesus,they're gonna think we're
putting the baby in the cage.
Holy christ, right, they lockedthe babies in a cage.

(57:36):
It's jay pulls them all rightso in the cribs, yeah.
So you would hear somebody goinglike on a smoke, right.
So I try to catch it becauseyou would hear it through the
baby monitor.
So every time I go I wouldcreep up the stairs, it it would
stop.
So this went on, and then thescary part is they were born and

(57:58):
we had to wrap them up.
They call it swaddling, wherethe babies are like little
burritos.
Well, elka would freak out.
She would find the blanketspulled over the baby's heads and
that scared the hell out of her.
So, as this is going on, we getinto like the summer, like the
early summer of 2007.
So what we decided to do?

(58:19):
We want to have some fun.
So we went and we startedbuilding like this, this dry
riverbed in front that lookedlike a fake stream.
Well, we went up to themountains and got rocks and
stuff and as we're building that, I'm going to start the story.
Then we'll let elka take over.
Um, as I'm placing the rocks,elka's on the other side.

(58:41):
We got the babies on the on theporch and we got the monitors
and all of a sudden I hear hey,did you buy this house?
I look up and there's a manabout 87 years old standing
there hunched over with a canenice guy and he's.
I thought he was going towelcome us to the neighborhood.

(59:02):
Guys, he said, uh, did you?
You bought this house?
I said, yeah, he goes.
You shouldn't have bought thishouse.
The house is evil.
Get out, get out while you can.
And I was like whoa, what a wayto welcome us to the
neighborhood.
So as we're doing that, I justsaid, um, why would you say that

(59:23):
?
I mean what you know.
I was curious why?
Why would you think the houseyou know is evil?
So now, the way he talked wasout of time.
He says I would walk down thestreet.
He says, and, um, I would.
There was a little boy up inthat middle window.

(59:44):
So he said, well, I would wakethe little boy on my way to
school.
And the way he even carried hisbag, the way he even carried
his school books on, likesomebody from somebody from a
different time period, he hadthem bundled up with a strop and
he would just carry them and hewould swing his books.
One day he stopped and he saidI want that to have a playmate.

(01:00:06):
Now do you guys go out and callyour friends playmates?
No, that's kind of weird.
You guys already talked aboutdog leashes and things earlier
all right, anyhow, let's not geton this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Well, that's not for each other, that for john, stop
talking.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Just make it weirder when you start doing that so he
wanted to have a playmate right,this is weird.
So he went there's like peoplehere too.
So he looked at me.
He went to beckon the boy down.
That was another weird word,beckon the boy down instead of

(01:00:46):
call him down.
But when he did, the boy's facechanged, he said, into this
hideous creature and he droppedhis school books.
Can you guys hear us?
yeah yep, okay, he dropped hisschool books because the boy's
face twisted into his hideouscreature.
He drops his book and he runshome.

(01:01:07):
As soon as he gets in the house, his father's old and you know
old school.
He goes to take out his beltbecause he thought he wanted to
play hooky and he's justscreaming monsters, monsters,
monsters.
And his grandfather said whatare you talking about?
He goes at the end of ProspectStreet.
So his grandfather said wait aminute, he goes.
Now we're going back anothermaybe 60 years.

(01:01:29):
His grandfather said wait aminute, he goes.
When I was a little boy, therewas a story about a boy that ran
out of the house screaming andas he did he was hit by a horse
and buggy.
His father ran out, brought theboy's body in where the boy
died.
So I asked him and I'll letElka take over this part here I

(01:01:55):
asked him.
I said you wouldn't happen thispart here.
I asked him.
I said you wouldn't happen toknow the name of these people,
would you?
I mean, I was just a chance anduh, go ahead, Elka, what you
said and how he was talkingabout, the different last names
well, he said something with ppeterson parsons, something like
that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
So so I'm like, oh okay.
So it got quiet and we werestill playing with our stones
there and I looked up and he wasgone.
And we looked up the street andI'm kind of like, gee, what the
heck?
He had a cane, how fast can herun?
We didn't see him anymore so wethought, man, maybe he lives

(01:02:35):
kind of like close by in thehouses.
So that really bothered me.
So a couple of days later Istarted, uh, going to the
neighbors and asked hey, I metother over the weekend, that
older gentleman, and I reallywould be interested talking to
him a little bit more do youwant?
to to get your face in the way.

(01:02:55):
No, I'm good and everyoneeveryone everyone looked at me
and got like sorry, but we don'thave anyone with that
description living here in ourneighborhood.
So we only saw him once and wenever saw him again again.

(01:03:20):
So then jay went to colleen andsaid, hey, we have either
peterson, parsons, whatever, andsomething with a p.
Can you kind of like look inthe time period if there was
something happened?
And she actually foundsomething?
There was a little boy gotkilled and she even had the
death certificate and everything, and all the time when we
wanted to connect and exchangethe paper disappeared.

(01:03:43):
So as of this day we stilldon't have it and we also
believe that David, that littleboy, is still here because we
have a lot of EVPs and um and hecomes with David and he likes
to play also tricks, he gigglesand he, uh, yeah, hides stuff

(01:04:05):
and think it's funny.
So he's a little boy, kind oflike.
So he's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I think he's a little boy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
We don't know yeah, but Iris said he is really, he
plays with the toys and she saidthat was probably also the boy
who was playing with your kids'toys when they were all lined up
in circles and stuff like that.
So yeah, so that was the storywith Parson, so we really think

(01:04:33):
this guy is one of the jackalswith.
Parson.
So we really think this guy isa former.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I want to ask you something real quick.
Yes, please, just out ofcuriosity.
You're in the house right now,right, okay, so there's nobody
behind us, right.
No, I wasn't going to say that.
I usually don't pull that.
If I see something, I'll bringit up.
I like doing this stuff becauseif I do, like you know, if I

(01:05:02):
see something, I'll be like hey,you know you got anything going
on, whatever.
But the reason why I'm askingis have you done podcasts before
, or interviews and stuff in thehouse?
Yeah, okay.
So when you do that stuff, doesit increase the activity at all

(01:05:24):
?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
you never know.
If it does, it's mild becauseit's always listening.
Okay, one of the things thatwill happen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
We notice too.
It's dates too, not what we do,but sometimes I feel like dates
too.
Around July, ish, we have a lotof stuff going on.
Around.
Christmas time.
There's a lot of stuff going on.
So we have certain times of theyear where it's getting a little

(01:05:57):
bit more, but we also havesometimes more activity.
How can I say that?
Yet now, nicely, I think whatwe have in the house is just
kind of like they like, I guess,doing when investigations are
here.
But I think also, if they likeit or not, what, how to

(01:06:24):
investigate it sounds now reallyreally fetched and far off.
But sometimes they're reallyengaging, really wonderful, and
then other times, uh, sometimesthey're really engaging, really
wonderful, and then other times,um, I mean a filthy mouth is
nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
What comes out of that?
There's one spirit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
It's pretty nasty so, um, and they'll have sometimes
where we have a little bit more,where where stuff picks up so
to get back into the bloodyhistory.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
So this is nothing.
This is just ramping up to somereally crazy things.
Okay, all right.
So now we know caroline hadsold the house to that guy.
Chabelle parsons uh, colleen,found him everything.
Now that was in the 22nd of mayof 1851.

(01:07:15):
Now he gets rid of the house onthe 22nd of september of 1851.
He's gone after after.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
His little boy is gone I get it only for three
months then there's anothergentleman.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
He moves in.
We don't know anything abouthim.
We can't find nothing about him.
His name is William Tate.
Now Chevelle Parson sells it tohim on the 22nd of 1851.
And four and a half years laterhe sells the house to another
wealthy man, the 22nd of march.

(01:07:55):
So so far you have 11, 22, 22and 22.
Now you could even scareyourself.
You add up all those 22s, right, that equals six six six, six,
pretty much, yeah, the mark ofthe beast.
So now, as all this is happening, we go, and now we went.

(01:08:19):
Now we're gonna back up, we'regonna look at that thompson.
Well, this part of enfield isnamed thompsonville, okay, after
a gentleman by his name washorace.
I mean, no, uh, uh, orin, orinthompson.
Orin thompson created his ifyou guys ever got here, it's
fascinating.
He created his whole OrrinThompson.
Orrin Thompson created this.
If you guys ever got here, it'sfascinating.
He created this whole complexof carpet mills and it looks

(01:08:42):
like a little military complexand even half of them have been
torn down.
They turned a lot of them intoluxury apartments, now called
Bigelow Carpet Mills.
Well, he became the richest manin connecticut and parts of new
york city and on route five now,this is another creepy thing on
route five he had 33 acre umcomplex, beautiful, beautiful.

(01:09:09):
He must have had servants andeverything.
Well, here's the weird thingwhen he sells the house, when
henry's well, let me back up.
So thompson is like smith.
Well, we, we didn't figure thatthis was connected.
Well, last year, actuallyalmost two years ago, me and
mckenzie were doing research soI said let's do a reverse search

(01:09:32):
and we wanted to look up henrythompson and we nearly fell to
the chair because it happened tobe the son of oran thompson,
who founded thompsonville.
So he sold the house because itwas his great-grandfather's
house.
His name was um matthewthompson.
Now that year it's likesomebody has to pay a price that

(01:09:56):
year that Henry Graham sells itto Horace Abbey.
In May, on December 8th hisdaughter, orrin Daughters
Thompson, dies at the age of 20years old 21.
21 years old she dies.
So now as we start looking intothe Thompsons, we realize, you

(01:10:18):
know what.
The reason why Henry Grahamsells it and the reason why we
can't find any records isbecause it was in the family.
I think they were selling it astheir great-grandfather's house
.
So now it almost like sets offsome type of a weird curse or
something like whoever has it?
It's like a hot potato.
So now we get up to this otherwealthy man.

(01:10:42):
His name is william lydell, nowwilliam lydell.
He buys it um, on the 22nd ofmarch of 1856.
Now he has the house.
It was a single family house.
His daughter, marion um, movedover from scotland and met and

(01:11:03):
married his guy name of jamesarnott, now james arnott.
They don't live to be very old,jane.
Now we get told go ahead aboutElke, about the psychic coming
in, about the baby being bashedand killed.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Yeah, we had a psychic group coming in and
because they were picking upScottish accents, and also
during the night and we stillhave it that you hear on the
renter side.
I mean our side is carpeted butnext door it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Hardwood floors.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Hardwood floors and the steps are a hardwood floor,
so you can hear the heavy bootsgoing up and down the stairs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
So, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
So they said he is not a really nice man.
So I guess what they picked upon it that he was drinking a lot
and he came home and got reallyupset that the baby was crying,
um.
So they're saying they pickedup that he actually killed the

(01:12:11):
baby killed the baby.
I don't know if he shot thebaby.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Shot the baby?
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
But they're saying he was killing the baby.
So a couple years later I meannow we can bring that later that
we found bones.
But so we kind of like, okay,nice story, kind of like okay.
So we did a little bit ofresearch and we found, we found

(01:12:37):
finally their grave and Marion'sgrave and there was actually on
the bottom there was no namegiven but it says kind of like
infant daughter was listed onthe gravestone but there was no
date given or name given.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
So and the psychic said they burned the baby in the
fireplace they panicked, andthey because there was no law,
there was no police department.
So they probably would havehung them, who knows.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
So and they're also thinking that he is the guy who
went with the stick or with hiswalking thing.
He went along.
He went along on the baby'scrib, that rattling sound or
sometimes you could hear overthe monitor kind of like almost
like someone smacks it.

(01:13:31):
And the baby started crying andwe went upstairs but the thing
was they were deep, deepsleeping.
They were not even awake.
But we heard over the monitorsomeone, um kind of like hitting
a baby and the baby startedscreaming and we thought, oh my
god, someone is up there and I'mwith our babies and they were

(01:13:51):
both kind of like sleepingsoundly in their crib.
And so that is kind of like tothat story where, um, yeah, and
the end of the fact, when wewere downstairs renovating we
actually found little bones inthe fireplace pieces of bones.
So the bones.
So I mean we don't know.

(01:14:12):
But it's just kind of likereally awkward when you hear
that story and then I mean, um,there were human bones.
So I mean that that isdefinitely.
Uh, this was a female bone, sothis was not something from an
animal or so.
So that was kind of where weburied them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Um, yeah, so, as I was saying, so we believe that's
who converted the house into aduplex.
Now what the psychic said is,uh, the mother had flipped out
because after, I mean, could youimagine the one thing?
He was a really bad alcoholic.

(01:14:50):
He tried killing the.
You know, after he killed thebabies, they tried to burn the
babies, but then she lost it.
So they said she had help,which I think it might have been
william, my dell, her father.
They said they tried tosuffocate him when he was
drinking, and that, no, no, they, they, they.
They tried to poison him.

(01:15:11):
Oh, and that didn't work.
So they went and theysuffocated him with a pillow and
then they dragged him up to theattic and they waited and then,
when his work was looking forhim, saying, hey, have you seen
james?
And they, and they startedlooking for him and they said,
oh, my god, he must have camehome drunk and went up to the
attic and, uh, he died.

(01:15:32):
So back then they took that.
Okay, you know what everybodydrank.
Back then he got drunk and heprobably fell down and he died,
so they buried him.
So now you feed.
Now you think that, oh, yeah,that's in a story.
Now, marion never remarries.
So what happens to marion?

(01:15:53):
She's living here, she has ababy named james jr.
Right now listen to this, thisis gonna freak you guys out, if
you guys already freaked alreadyshe has a daughter named
margaret and another daughternamed elizabeth.
Well, we could never findwilliam lydell's wife's name

(01:16:14):
because they or it must havebeen like really hoity-toity
they always referred to her asMrs William Lidell.
So when we found his grave sitewe found her name.
Her name was Elizabeth LockheedLidell.
So she must have been like anaristocrat light out.

(01:16:37):
So she must have been like anaristocrat.
So what happens next is, um,everything seemed to be fine up
to 1865 1865, I think it was inmay the mother, elizabeth, dies
in the house.
They wake her body and, um,they get through that.
A few months later the husbanddies in the house.

(01:17:01):
We're like three, three to sixmonths he's dead in the house.
So marion has to bury.
You know the family, but nowmarion becomes very powerful and
very wealthy.
So now you see her buyinghouses.
I mean in 1865, in the law area, to be a woman that's going on

(01:17:23):
buying houses.
That's kind of rare to see awoman buying houses, because
women were pretty much back then.
They stayed home and the menwent out and they did all this
stuff.
But marion was buyingeverything in sight and, um, she
also lived here, since it was aduplex.
Her brother was a civil warveteran and he was a house

(01:17:45):
painter, so he was alsoextremely rich, we find out.
So now what happens is ummarion's daughters.
They never get married.
They grow up, they grow old andum, I'll give you guys a trivia
question, since you guys aren'there on the tour um, how many

(01:18:08):
babies do you think wereconceived in this house from
1771 till now?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
oh, baby conception, I am good at that um well,
except you finish early yeah,how many babies you think were
conceived in over 250 somethingyears?

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
I don't necessarily with babies, so my God.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
So, with all these families living here, right,
well, and so it's supposed to bea number that surprises us, so
I'll say zero.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Wow, you're right.
No babies were ever conceivedin a house.
That is the weird thing.
They, people who moved in, wereeither older or they already
had children.
Nobody had a happy life.
So next trivia question so wecan keep this thing in a high

(01:19:06):
train how many people do youthink out of all these people
died of natural causes?
Not many people, you think,wrote huh none you're right, no
one one, one, one.
They said on their newspaper.

(01:19:33):
Like elka said, she died frombronchial pneumonia, but we
don't know that, they just saidit.
So now, as this is happening,now, this is now we're getting
into the Arnott family.
So now Marion passes away andit says here I gotta look again
more on the paper she dies um, Ibelieve, do, do, do, do, do, do

(01:19:57):
, october 31st.
Uh, it says 1922, but I don'tknow where that came from
because I thought she died in1900.
So it says october 31st 1922,marion arna, or maybe that's
when the house got put into thefamily's name.
Okay, so Marion died in 1900,but the house gets put into

(01:20:22):
Margaret, elizabeth and James onHalloween, 1922.
I would run with that 22 beingin there.
So now what happens is Margaretand Elizabeth, they, they, they
grew up, they're getting old.
Margaret decides we, we justfound out.

(01:20:42):
She moves to Boston.
Right, they got money.
James grows up right same thing.
He never gets married.
Imagine that three kids right,we used to joke about them must
have been born really ugly orsomething.
Because, no, I'm just joking,but because none of them got
married none of them, noboyfriends.
So margaret moves up to boston,elizabeth stays here, james jr

(01:21:06):
moves out, goes to manchester,uh, new hampshire, where he he
done.
He finally falls in love with alady who owns a rooming house
and he just gets married.
But the poor guy never has achance to um, have any fun.
I'll tell you why.
Now elizabeth is living herewith her, with her uncle who was

(01:21:32):
a civil war veteran.
So 1919 comes up, okay, guys.
So now what happens is williambill, uh, robert lydell jr, or
um, he's, he's, he's again, he'sfor prohibition, so he goes out
.
Now this is how, what kind ofmoney these guys, this power

(01:21:55):
these guys had.
They went to a place calledking's island now it's really
nothing, but back then it waslike a big like place to go and
picnic and things like that.
He paid for the whole entirebarbecue for prohibition.

(01:22:19):
The newspaper said that everytime that, whenever he gave a
speech, he would always startout with a Bible verse.
They said he was very wellrehearsed in Bible history,
history, so he was.

(01:22:39):
He also donated um, before hedied, to the library anonymously
a whole entire civil warcollection.
So now 1919 comes up.
He gets sick and um, he dies.
Well, they rush him to hartfordhospital.
He dies.
Well, they bring his body backhere for viewing nice right.

(01:22:59):
So now they bring his body backhere for viewing and then they
bury him at the cemetery.
Now that's 1919.
Now margaret takes a train fromboston out to here to bury
their uncle.
Now, a month or two goes by,elizabeth falls down and the

(01:23:24):
newspaper article said shecrawled on her hands and knees
to the living room.
She broke her hip right.
I don't know how she broke herhip, but she broke her hip right
.
I don't know how she broke herhip, but she broke her hip.
So imagine this you justcrawled all the way to your
living room and you don't haveenough strength to get up on the

(01:23:46):
couch, and she laid thereovernight until the next day.
Where you hear Elizabeth, areyou home?
And then she's probablyscreaming help me, help me, help
me.
And her neighbor comes in,finds her.
Well, she goes to the hospitaland dies.
They bring her body back herefor viewing right.

(01:24:11):
So now the only one that's leftis Margaret in Boston.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
She comes back again.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
She comes back and go ahead.
Elka, tell them what happenedto her.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
So she buries the sister now and goes back to
Boston and the newspaper articlebecause we had a hard time kind
of like on that family, reallykind of like getting it sprayed.
But three weeks later shepassed away so now the whole
family kind of like within twomonths gone jeez, everybody's

(01:24:44):
dead.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
The whole entire family is eradicated.
The only one left is james jr.
Now, yeah, or?

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
j Poor James.
He sold the house.
Oh we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Yeah, so now James is living in Manchester, New
Hampshire.
So now July 25th- it's mybrother's birthday.
Is it really?
Oh, wow.

(01:25:19):
This local gangster.
His real name is something likealmost like Cagiglio or
something Camperito, buteverybody used to call him
Charles Camperito.
Well, I know, I got scratched.
I don't know why I'm itchingnow.
This is weird.
It's weird.
Every time I talk about himI'll start getting wicked bad
chills.
Right, I'll go, he's, he'saround.

(01:25:41):
So what happens is they say in anewspaper article that he was
no stranger because he hadstabbed a couple of his fellow
countrymen before.
So during the he would work atthe carpet mills.
He fought in World War I withhis best friend, angelo, right.
So during the daytime he wouldbe a normal guy.

(01:26:06):
Then at nighttime, during theProhibition, he would run
numbers, he would run bootlegwhiskey.
He murdered people.
Um, he was a pretty tough guyand they were all from sicily.
This is the all, the birthplaceof the american mafia.
So they all came over fromsicily his best friend, his and

(01:26:26):
everything.
So what happens is he had a son, charlie junior, and this is
how we know so much I, I,charles Jr died.
He talked to me for over twohours and he talked to another
gentleman by the name of BobBaker.
So we got a lot of informationfrom him.
So we just thought, when wefirst saw what Colleen had

(01:26:50):
pulled out, we thought this guy.
Now, when I tell you this story,remember there's only one
survivor that could have toldthis story and that would have
been Charles' estranged wife.
So she's going to make upanything she wants to cover her
ass.
So now as there as I'm going toback up, according to his son

(01:27:15):
his son was eight years old andCharles bought this house here
Never told his wife they come tothis house.
And he said, honey, I bought ahouse and back then it must have
been a big house, right, youknow it must have been pretty
nice.
And back then it must have beena big house, right, you know it

(01:27:36):
must have been pretty nice.
And she opens the door, allhappy, and she's like wait a
minute.
There's people's belongingshere their dresses, their
wallets, their rings, money onthe table, there's plates of
food that were probably gettingmoldy on the table.
And she looked at him and,according to his son, said this

(01:28:00):
isn't my house.
Somebody's living here.
She goes.
Even their boots are here.
She goes, charles, I can'tspend one night here.
So, according to his son, theymoved temporarily with their
friends behind there and theywaited for a month and then he
said my dad, he goes.
Mr, be able, my dad, eventhough he was a bad man.
You got to understand, becausemy dad was a good man.

(01:28:21):
My, my dad provided for us, heloved us.
He goes, you have to remember,because I want you to remember
my dad as a good guy, not aswhat they're going to paint him
to be.
So about a month later hisfather says come on, charlie,
let's go to the house.
They pick up everybody'sbelonging.
They threw all their dishes,they clean it up and he says

(01:28:41):
they took all their personalbelongings and put them in the
basement.
So rosa, which is supposed tobe his wife, but the weird thing
about it was she never took hisname.
Her name was was Rosa Vila.
Really weird because back inthose days.
So now they move in here and shewould always tell him this is
not my house, this house belongsto somebody else.

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He said my mother was terrifiedof this house.
She said that she was alwaystrying to do almost like the old
Italian things, putting, youknow, not curses, but trying to
ward off evil things.
Well, all of a sudden we find anewspaper article that says on

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July 11, 1930, he goes down thestreet and he knocks on the door
.
He stabs josephine like eighttimes.
She falls down the stairs, goesinto the basement, shoots his
best friend now think about thisshoots his best friend in the

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right arm right, then cuts histhroat, then goes up and
supposedly this is where it getsreally, really weird.
Supposedly they found thenewspaper said that they found
his body over on 2 South Street.
The the destiny of it says hecame back here and shot himself

(01:30:11):
in the living room by thefireplace.
So now this is where none ofthis makes any sense, according
to his son that he said myfather loved Josephine.
She was about 15 years youngerand back in the Sicilian ways it
was okay to have an open affairback then as long as nobody

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complained.
Now everybody knew his fatheras a really big guy, very
dangerous man.
So now here's what sounds likehappened.
It sounds like that night.
Charles Jr said on June 10th hesays my father brings out two
bottles of wine and they alltoast.

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They said this will be the lastnight.
We'll all be together again.
They all toasted.
Now what was supposed to happenwas the next day, was a tuesday
morning.
Charles was going to get hissuitcase, go down, grab
josephine, and they were goingto ride off into the sunset.
He wasn't.
He was going to leave thegangster life behind.
He was going to leaveeverything behind and start a

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brand new life with this woman,his best friend's wife, and
everybody was okay with it alltoes.
That was really weird.
So now what happens is?
He said the next day my fatherwakes, woke up and he was all
happy.
He's getting his dapper down,he's whistling everything.
He goes, mr dapple, does thatsound like a man who's about to
go kill a whole bunch of people?

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He said my father was reallyhappy.
And then the next thing, heknows everybody's dead.
So he said I spent my lifetrying to clear my father's name
because I don't think my fathercommitted, uh, murders and
suicides.
So for years we were tellingthat story, right, guys?
Well, all of a sudden it didn'tadd up.

(01:32:00):
I said how does a guy who's inlove with a woman go over there,
knock on the door and stab herall these many times that's,
that's anger and then go in abasement, shoots his best friend
in the arm and then cuts histhroat?
So that's kind of hard to do.
And then all of a sudden, Iremember colleen said hey,

(01:32:21):
rosa's father lived in new yorkcity.
This was the height of of likethe gangsters, with charles,
oceano, bugs, moran, all thefamous gangsters.
What I think which seemsplausible is Rosa got a hold of
her father and said DaddyCharles is going to leave me for

(01:32:42):
a younger woman.
That means Charlie Jr is goingto have to go live in an
orphanage.
I'm going to be on the streetas a lonely divorcee woman
begging and doing unspeakablethings.
Uh, because she goes,everything's in charles named
and we're going to be homeless.
I think her father said rosa,get everything in your name and

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that's where we see it.
On june 10th, according to thepaper, the house gets signed
over to rosa we find out fromeverybody said the bank accounts
, everything went into Rosa'sname.
Now, on June 11th, I think Rosacouldn't take it anymore and
said she probably saw himgetting all ready and said you

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know what?
Charlie, go run to your blank,blank, blank.
By the way, I talked to to mydad.
I think at that point hegrabbed a knife off the table,
he grabbed his colt 38 and heran down the street not to
murder him, but I think he wentdown to save him.
I think as he's running on thestreet he's probably yelling

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josephine, angelo, lock the door, lock door.
And as soon as they get downthere, I believe there was a
five-man hit team already in thehouse.
I think when they heard himyelling they were in the
basement eating their lunch.
And the head guy goes up toJosephine tell Charles, you're

(01:34:13):
not ready, just tell him to goaway, tell him to come back.
Well, I think as they walkedher up to the stairs and she saw
the love of his life coming upthe stairs almost like a Romeo
and Juliet thing she probablydid almost like a Hail Mary she
runs out the door, bolts,figuring Charles was going to
save her.
Well, they stab her to silenceher.

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She falls down the stairs.
Charles doesn't even have timeto grab his weapon.
He runs in in a blind ragebecause he sees the love of his
wife go down the stairs.
As soon as he does that, theguy behind the door shoots him
in the head.
Boom.
That's why the newspaperarticle said they found him
lying on the ground with hisknife in his hand and his gun by

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his side in the basement.
That's where angelo's eatinglunch with his kids.
He hears a gunshot.
Now he knows there's trouble.
I think he goes to reach forsomething on the table.
That's why he gets shot in theshoulder, then the guy behind
him cuts his throat.
Then they leave and jump on therailroad tracks and take off.

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So now charles has been pickedup in the house.
Through those ghost boxesyou'll hear him sometimes come
in the house and um, I'll letelka tell more stories, but a
lot of stories about him.
And he actually came in thehouse.
He set off cat balls, striplights and um.

(01:35:35):
They said who is here?
The psychic said and throughthe ghost box, it said it is I,
charles, and um tell some weirdstories.
Sometimes you smell cigar smoketoo.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Um yeah, really, really, uh active.
And I have down the stairs inthe cellar shelf with candles
and I was looking around and Ifelt kind of like tipping on my
shoulder and I hear kind of likewith a not really I don't want
to say with a bad voice, butmore like stirring and like
where is rosa, and sounded morekind of like he's a little bit

(01:36:15):
mad and he wants to find her hewants to find Rosa and they have
to like probably to kill herfor signing them all but this
story is really kind of like.
We really not, because thenewspaper article says that he
was found um in the house overon south street, but we have his
death certificate and the deathcertificate says that he

(01:36:38):
actually um killed himself herein our living room.
So it's kind of like a paradoxwe have really we have two
stories.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
I don't understand oh my god, siri just went.
My phone is here and it justwent off the first time the
whole night.
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
I was talking to siri just went.
My phone is here and it justwent off the first time the
whole night.
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
I was talking to siri.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Weird huh so I have okay.
So we gotta kind of move, movestuff a little bit.
So I had to ask yeah, yeah, Iknow no you're good, how many
people have died in the house?

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
a lot probably about.
I would say, I'm just guessingabout 20 something people I mean
, confirmed what we did, theresearch.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
It was 24, but um, uh , what we really could could lay
out.
But uh, um, I think it was 27,but we could not get 100 proof
on the rest of it, eitherconnected to the house 27 in the
house 24 to 27 and one of those, possibly natural causes, even

(01:37:45):
though that's sketchy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
But even setting that aside, all of the others, um, I
guess homicide, well, homicide,homicide, suicide, accidental.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Accidental but, we also have a lot of suicides.
Kind of like from carbonmonoxide poisoning, from hanging
to shot himself.
Yeah, we'll jump into this onefamily family so yeah, but don't

(01:38:21):
don't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
No, I'm not going to go along because I only want to
tell that story, because thatthat's a fascinating story about
that, charles cabrera, becausewhen you think now it's over,
right, you think, okay, he'sdead, everything over.
But it gets weirder.
So, anyhow, the house is bought, sold, bought, sold.
I'm going to skip through this.
When you guys come up you'llhear the other part.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
So now the house is being, it's like hot potato yeah
, when we're talking about thelast family, where colleen said,
oh, you should be happy becausethey were the longest kind of
like here.
Um, so, and by the end.
Actually five kids of six weredead yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
So, as we, as we get all the way up in 1963, this
retired air force guy buys itwith his six children.
He has.
He has, uh, five boys, whatever.
He has so many boys and he hasone daughter.
Well, all of a sudden, whathappens is I'm gonna speed this
up really fast the, the firstboy we find out, falls down the

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stairs here, has to wear aspecial helmet.
Then what happens is on July1973, they take him to, which is
Six Flags.
Now he goes well, according toColleen, he goes on to a ride
and goes into a mysteriousseizure and he dies on July 4th

(01:39:41):
weekend.
His father, who's the oldestBoy Scout, sues Riverside.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
But I found out today actually we have a lot of
friends who do research and Ifound a newspaper article that
he actually um must have been ona ride and he was vomiting and
he actually choked on his ownown vomit so he dies in 1985,

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their only daughter goes outwith her boyfriend and commits
suicide.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
They gas themselves in their truck In 2000,.
Their other son, who was aGlastonbury police officer, goes
to work one day, sits down,pulls out his service revolver
and shoots himself in the headthe same day.
Now this is what's weird thesame day that the first person

(01:40:41):
died February 22nd 2000.
The first one that we found out, remember I told you about
Horace Abbey.
He dies February 22nd 1846.
Well, this guy, he dies onFebruary 22nd.
He shoots himself in the head.
He dies on February 22nd.
He shoots himself in the head.

(01:41:02):
Now, a few months later, it goesby.
Their other son, robert, goesup to the old garage which is
torn down and he hangs himself.
Everybody's gone except for one, son John, who was in the Air
Force, and they thought they.
When I talked to the familythey thought it was just they
had bad luck like the Kennedys.
So that was the last familythat lived here for that amount

(01:41:26):
of time.
And then they sold it tosomebody on July 11, 2003 for
$122,000.
2003 for $122,000.
We buy the house, luckily, onSeptember 28th, but it's logged

(01:41:47):
into the books on the volume of2222.
2222.
So I'm like, oh my God.
So I skipped through a bunch ofother murders and suicides and
accidental deaths, heart attacks, but the list goes on, guys.
I mean, I could go on foralmost 45 minutes straight and

(01:42:11):
just going how everybody justdying.
But now the weird part.
This is where it gets evenstranger.
Charles comparado jr had a sonwhich would have been his
grandfather, would have been agangster.
Well, in 1973, see, nobodywould have put this together,
the same year that the first kidgoes down to riverside and dies

(01:42:35):
.
That same year, his son was 22years old.
He was going to Anson-UntuckCommunity College.
He was going to college.
He was married.
He drives out to.
There's a big set of lakes downin another town called Congamon
Lakes.
He drives out there and hegasses himself and he commits

(01:42:56):
suicide.
So that was really bizarre.
Now to end the end, to end thatstory with the family, we tried
for years and years to go downto the anfield historical
society to try to find someproof about our house being old.
Every time somebody called, theywould say we're looking history

(01:43:19):
for 3739 Prospect Street.
We have nothing here.
Good day, well, in 2020,.
I get an email that was signedanonymous and they said the
reason why you could not get anyinformation is because Charles
Comperato Jr volunteered and wason the board of directors at

(01:43:40):
the Enfield Historical Societyand he died in 2020.
And everything that we weretrying to get our hands on he
tried to put a stop to.
There must be something there.
He didn't want people to findout.
So now we're up to where we arenow and we, we we paid an awful

(01:44:02):
price being here, I mean, wetry to move out three times, and
every time we try to move out,right if something would stop us
.
So now, guys I know it'sgetting late, no, you guys I'm
fascinated by this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
So I mean this is incredible.
I I okay, so I was gonna askthis, and then, yeah, you kind
of already answered it in theway.
I'm like, okay, does it concernyou at all?
You know, with all the peoplethat live there for as long as
they have, you know the manypeople accidental deaths,
suicide and stuff like that foryou guys have been there a while

(01:44:40):
2006 to 18 years, right yeahokay yeah so I'm assuming
mckenzie is one of the kidswe're talking about in the
beginning.
Yep, she's right here.
Yeah, I'm mckenzie.
So I was.
I was just kind of I was likeokay, then 18, so I'm assuming.
So she has had the luxury ofliving her whole life in a

(01:45:04):
haunted house that is correctluxury and or and you know what,
in another luxury.

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
I don't know if it's a luxury, I don't know if it's a
luxury, I don't know.
We don't know yet.
But both of the twins haveabilities to see stuff.
So yeah, they come.
I mean even when they werelittle.
I mean they're picked up.

(01:45:30):
They played with kids who wereliving here.
They were, they were actuallyum kenzie sees always still a
girl in a white nightgown, um,still creeping around still
creeping around, uh, yeah, kindof.

(01:45:50):
And courtney was uh, talkingabout the suicide guy out in the
garage when she was little andwe saw it all the time she talks
about barbie and, but she meantbarbie and she jumped off her.
We were party training and shewas standing on her little
toilet and she's and because jaysaid so what is it?

(01:46:13):
Well, what did barbie do?
And she said he, she hold herleg.
And she jumped over a littletoilet and got like she could.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Actually.
She told me how everybodycalled him Robert and she said,
no, bobby died.
I said how did Bobby die?
She goes.
Oh, I said okay, so you couldshow me.
So I was sitting upstairsreading a good housekeeping
magazine.
The only piece like piece placeI could get pieces in a
bathroom with all the girls inthe house.
So she comes up and stands onher little porta potty and at

(01:46:43):
first she was jumping up anddown.
I said that's not how Bobbydied.
I said silly goose, she gets onher porta potty, jumps off and
cranks her head and startsswaying.
She goes.
That's how Bobby died.
She had no idea, we didn't evenknow.
And uh, and she goes, that'show he died.
So she would talk to him in thebackyard and that was creepy

(01:47:07):
that is creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
I am really.
I have to ask this too.
You guys have all hadexperiences there, right Like a
lot.
Yeah.
Okay, a lot.
So I want to ask each one ofyou and try to.
I mean, yeah, so, mackenzie,you first.
What is the scariest thingthat's happened to you at the

(01:47:28):
house?

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
I would say probably lifted up two inches under my
sister's bed when I was a kid.
That'd probably be pretty scarybecause I could feel like
someone threw the ceiling.
I could feel something lift meup, I could feel the power on it
.
I probably would say that's thescariest moment.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
I'm sitting here thinking you guys have had all
that stuff and somebody, justkind of like, lifted you a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Yeah, I mean the shadows, like I used to in here.
I mean we have noises or thingsmove, and it's just so
normalized for us.
It's like I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
I get that, jay.
What's the scariest thing?

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
that's happened to you.
Well, I had a lot, but I'llpinpoint one down.
It was terrifying.
When we first moved in thehouse we were, I was laying, we
all went to bed, we got thegirls in there in their little
cribs and Elko goes to sleeplike this and I'm, I'm, I'm

(01:48:41):
there and I have a hard timefalling asleep.
Well, all of a sudden I hearsomebody come up the stairs, so
I I reached over the draw.
I thought somebody broke in, soI reached over my draw and I
had my hand on.
I had my hand on a weapon andI'm waiting to see who's coming
up and all of a sudden I seethis girl, really skinny, she

(01:49:03):
had long blonde, natty hair,right.
Okay.
Her skin was kind of grayish andreally thin, her dress was
skimpy and at the end she wasbarefoot and her dress was all
torn.
I'm looking at her and she'scarrying these high, high hair,
open-toed sandals.

(01:49:24):
And she looks at me and I and,telepathically, I said oh my god
.
And she said there is no godand like.
And then all of a sudden, atthat point she jumped on my
chest and I went to yell forelka.
I went to go, I couldn't.
I lost, I had no voice.
I was like, oh, as I'm fightingthis thing off me, I'm taking my

(01:49:46):
elbow and I'm wailing elka inthe back.
I please wake up, please wakeup.
And it's like oh my god, oh mygod.
And then all of a sudden, shesaid something and then she
jumped up.
Well, the next morning I wakeup thinking what a bad dream.
It must have been a badnightmare and my wrists were
sore.
So I looked down and she heldme so hard that she left black

(01:50:09):
and blues of her handprints oneach of my wrists and that stuck
with me for a long time,thinking what could be that
powerful like leave black andblues of their imprints of their
hands.
So I never saw her again, butI'll never forget her face.
That was probably one of thethings that stuck in my mind of

(01:50:32):
being really dope alright, elka,now it's your turn for get, you
get it was actually more likethe dog, but also um why I
thought this thing has reallypower.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
Um, this is an old bible from germany.
There you go and, uh, we, I hadit in the kids room up in the
shelf and we had the nightbefore we had a paranormal group
in here and they were actuallytrying to help us and that was

(01:51:10):
where there was really somehorrific footage captured.
And Lorraine was on the phone,lorraine Warren, that night.
And, uh, the next morning Ifound the Bible shredded all
over the floor, kind of likewhat do you want from me?
That is was for me kind of like, and crowding with it that and

(01:51:32):
the dog.
This was for me kind of like.
What was for me, kind of likethe worst.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Those are pretty scary.
Now there is again.
Everything is a paradox.
Now, what really happened wasthere was a team that came in
there named CPRS I won't mentionthe other guy's name right now
because he's going around andhe's telling one story but his

(01:52:01):
partner called me up and hecorrected me and he said you
know what really happened.
Lorraine refused to come out tothe house.
They called her up and they hadher on speaker and they said
Lorraine, our dear, sweet, sweetfriend, can you?
We need you.
And um, the gentleman's namewas Orlando.
And Orlando still will not comeback to the house to this day.

(01:52:24):
He says he goes.
I love you guys, I think of youguys as family.
He says but what happened to meat that house?
I can never come back.
So, um, but he said Lorrainewas on the phone.
He says I will never forgetthis because he goes.
She's never refused.
And they said you know theybegged her.

(01:52:45):
They said we need you.
And she said what else happened?
The camera woman, and threw hereight feet down the hall.
And she says I cannot put onefoot in that house until the day

(01:53:06):
she died.
She refused to come out to thehouse and, um, she, she gave
lectures at the college nearbyeverything.
Now we don't know if it wasbecause she was getting older,
already lost ed, but thatchanged um, orlando ferente, um,
it changed his life.
He goes.
I've never seen lorraine refuseto come out to a house.

(01:53:27):
He says we were on our own andby the time they got done, he,
he fought, he stayed with ustill 2015.
Matter of fact, he was on oneof the tv shows on discovery, a
haunting, but he did everythinghe could and um, in the process,
um, some paranormal peoplealmost died fighting this thing

(01:53:49):
and, uh, his whole family wasalmost, was almost destroyed.
I mean, he almost went througha divorce, lost his job, I mean
everything could imagine.
And he hung in there.
Right, he may I shouldn't sayhung but he stayed with us to
the bitter end yeah, we also hadfamous Bishop McKenna in here.
He did Amarillo Horror yeah wehad him he came in he came in

(01:54:14):
and did an exorcism.
John Zaffis was in John.

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
Zaffis was here.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Yeah, we saw John last month.
We had oh my God, did you havethat picture with the film crew
we had when we did the?
We were how we did the TV shows.
I might be another question iswe had another famous guy,
robert Baker.
Bob Baker, to this day I mean,I mean he got severely banged up

(01:54:40):
, but Bob, actually he foughtthe biggest fight.
He got scratched, he got pushed, he almost got thrown down the
stairs.
People don't know that wholestory with him.
But Bob said I have all theseTV people coming and he said I
encourage you to do as manyshows as possible, as long as it
takes until somebody sees yourshow and knows how to handle it.

(01:55:03):
So the first show he got in wasAnimal Planet.
And the guy can you hold thisup?
So now I'm going to show youreally fast this guy right here.
His name was Brother Bear.
He was from an Indian tribe.
They brought him in.
They never had him on TV.
They wanted to do us a favor.
He came in.

(01:55:23):
Oh, that's nice.
As soon as I said that, did youhear that?

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
As soon as I said that lightning struck Lightning.
Well, thunder and lightningyeah, that was nice.
I think it's time to change mydepends right now.
Thunder and lightning, yeah,that was nice.
I think it's time to change mydepends right now.
But um, so now, um, theybrought in him.

Speaker 5 (01:55:44):
I guess let's stay focused guys, I know the
shepherd is scared.
She wants to eat the fireworkbut she's scared of so yeah, I
guess, because so.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
So they brought in a native american shaman to fight
this thing and he picked up onit and, um, he tried it.
But this woman over here, shewas a famous um director from
hollywood that came out and, uh,she was going to do a movie on

(01:56:12):
it.
She didn't believe in theparanormal, but when she left
she was, uh, she told me shecould never come back to the
house because something followedher home and messed her up.
So we, it's okay, kenzie, soanyhow, and that's bob baker
here.
Bob got messed up really bad.
So these are some of the peopleback then that we had um

(01:56:32):
fighting, uh, the entity, theentity.
We finally did get rid of theentity.
Oh my God, everything is goingcrazy.
One lightning strikes and it'slike downtown Baghdad.
Everybody's getting wiped out.
But, oh my God, guys, I wish wecould talk for another three
hours.
There's so much we really do,we really do.

(01:56:54):
And we probably bored you guysout of your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
No, I'm not bored at all.
I'm kind of concerned for youguys because, based on all the
things that happened there.
So, okay, I'm going to gothrough and you just tell me yes
or no.
You guys have been on TV shows,yeah.

(01:57:20):
Yes.
The people that have been there,that have investigated your
house, or at least come in totake a look at it, have been
people like John Zaffis.
Right, you've had severalparanormal teams going in there

(01:57:40):
trying to figure out what'sgoing on.
Right, lorraine Warren, who wasa straight badass when it came
to demon fighting, wouldn't walkinto the house.
Yep, I mean, how are you stillthere, like how you said you

(01:58:08):
couldn't leave, but I mean, wasit because of I mean, define
that mentally or physically?

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
Because I mean mentally, I really think I
checked out and not not saying Iwent crazy, but uh, after
seeing some of the things thatI've seen, okay, it changed my
whole view on religion and andand everything, because I lost
my whole entire family my, mybrother, my two sisters, a good

(01:58:36):
friend of mine, and it rocked myfoundation.
But, like I said, we tried tomove out and I'll let Elka, do
you want to tell how we tried tomove out.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
I mean let's say it this way try to move out, or you
want to, or well.
I mean let's say it this way in2015, we got actually a
gentleman in here um, oractually two reverend, neil
farley and jay dodd and um, theywere actually the ones who, who
got the control over whateverit was a man, I mean, it was not

(01:59:17):
human, um I call it a entity, Idon't want to call it a demon I
don't really believe in thedemon, like, but we also know.
I mean, we had.
We found that out actuallythree years ago because we had a
lot of activity going on.
And uh, courtney, our otherdaughter, called jay dot and
asked him for advice and and hesaid you know what?

(01:59:38):
You know, I can't do thatanymore.
So he said can I speak to yourdad?
So he spoke to Jay and said youknow, I actually can't do this
anymore.
And he said because I will die.
So, um, we kind of like what'sgoing on?
And he said well, I was.

(01:59:58):
I mean, he was a state trooper,it was healthy, nothing really.
And he got in a dream.
He got visited by that thingand told him, or warned him, to
stay away from the house,otherwise he will do bad stuff.
And Jay ignored it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
Jay said, said I'm a child of god.
You get you know, get me behindme, whatever, how they say in a
you know satan.
And the entity said to him doyou know who I am?
And jay dodd kept saying I'm aman of god.
He said I'll show you.
A week later, jay dodd hadthree heart attacks and
flatlined and was pronounceddead.

(02:00:41):
And when he came back I don'tknow if it was a vision or he
was on the or he, like Uncle,said he was dreaming.
The entity sat at the edge ofhis hospital bed and said now do
you know who I am?

Speaker 5 (02:00:55):
And so he told us he, he, he struck kind of like a
deal to say I stay away and youstay away.
So I actually um have a reallygood friend in Germany.
She's a, um, a psychic and shewas actually handpicked by Ed
Warren and, uh, she's reallygood and she still do cleansing

(02:01:16):
here.
But she had last year a heartattack too after she got a
warning, but she said it hasnothing to do with your house.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
That's what she said.

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
That's what she says.
But she said I know there was adeal made and the thing belongs
to the land.
She said it sleeps, theybrought it to a sleeping point
and she said we want to keep itsleeping and everything what you
have in the house right now.
So she does once in a while shedoes the house cleansing or she

(02:01:46):
gives us remotely action.
I mean, last week we actually uh, did a ceremony out there and
we buried tobacco, because wealso have indians, we have
witches around here becausesalem witch trial around here
the corner.
We had it here too in windsor,not alone in samoa mass.
They had the same amount ofmassacres there.

(02:02:07):
So we had actually witchesliving here.
So there is so much going on.
But she said what you haveright now in the house is more
what is what was living herebefore?

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
so we have a lot of like the people that live here
are still here she said thatthing, whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (02:02:27):
she said he is sleeping and we want to keep him
sleeping.
And and she said you, you'reokay, you're good, you can live
here.
Was it our dream to get out ofhere?
Oh, of course, for the last 20years if I could get out of this
house.
I would have my suitcase fasterpacked than anything else.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
But there's also we also.
Oh my God, how can I say thiswithout I'm not going to mention
no names?
So, oh my God, how can I saythis without I'm not going to
mention no names?
The house and I know you guysare going to have me locked up
when I say this the house isalive and the house protects
itself.
Like, say, if you guys came inand like say you went to
paranormal investigating and youjust were looking for ghosts,

(02:03:15):
you know you might get an EVP ormaybe something might happen.
We can't offer paranormal ondemand.
But if you came in and you hadbad intentions and I'll give an
example without mentioning anynames last year, a lady had
contacted us.
We were supposed to have workedwith this famous b psychic and

(02:03:38):
he was going to bring up thiswoman and they wanted to film a
documentary.
They were going to be here forfour days.
Now what happened was this wasinteresting, because you start
to see a pattern we didn'trealize that they were coming in
to scam us.
We were here.
We thought, okay, we're goingto do the documentary.

(02:04:00):
Well, behind the scenes,everybody who was involved with
her, they had their own agenda.
Now, after they left, eachperson that was part of that
team all got messed with.
She ended up kind of likelosing it.

(02:04:20):
Um, snapping on us, remember,uh, call me up, just call me up
at random time, screaming at me,sending me weird text messages.
It made no sense or like what.
What's going on here?
The other gentleman who was withher.
He came up.
He was supposed to have 40years experience.

(02:04:41):
His personality started tochange and we started seeing him
and we were all friends.
I'm like what is going on with TI don't want to mention their
names and now all of a suddenlast week we had an
investigation here a couplemonths ago and he totally lost

(02:05:02):
it.
And you'll see this.
It's a weird pattern.
But if you just come up toinvestigate, you're okay.
But the house kind of knows ifyou're coming in just to
investigate or to visit comingin just to investigate or to
visit.
But it also I know it soundscrazy, but it it knows if you're

(02:05:25):
coming in to do harm.
Even though it's it's, eventhough whatever this entity is
is a badass, as they say, itknows if you're going and and it
messes with them and it changestheir personality.
It's really weird.
I could go in on a whole topicabout this, because it just
didn't happen to that team lastyear after multiple people it
happened to a couple people whotry to scam us in different ways

(02:05:50):
.
It it affected them to the pointthey not only scamming, but
they were good friends.

Speaker 5 (02:05:55):
And then they came, and then a month later, all of a
sudden, uh friendship getsdestroyed.
The same thing if you do wishesin that house you don't wish
make any wishes in this housebecause somehow they always come
true do we still have time,guys?

Speaker 4 (02:06:13):
can we talk a little bit, or are you guys want to?

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
well, I was I was just going to, uh, to ask you
guys like what, what is, whereare the shows?
Like, what are the shows thatpeople can watch your story?

Speaker 4 (02:06:33):
hang on, let me get my.

Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
I'm gonna get my phone here because, well, some
of them are, because they wereall older, because a lot of
people asking too, where wereyou?
Because we had the stuffstarted when we moved in 2006.
On and off we had peoplehelping coming in and out 2015,.

(02:06:57):
Neil Farley and J-ay dot werekind of like keeping it.
So we had kind of like it waslivable, no scratching or or
anything.
So it was kind of like, on onepoint, for us a normal life.
Um, kids started school and um,yeah, they got thrown out out
of preschool because they saw adead priest and the nun freaked

(02:07:18):
out there you go but wait aminute.
And then uh, when they startedschool, um, it started.

Speaker 4 (02:07:25):
Oh, you live in the spooky house, so for about 10
years you didn't hear anything.

Speaker 5 (02:07:44):
So people asking.
But we tried to have a normallife and, due to the fact that
the kids weren't, okay, and allthis finger pointing or people
tried to call in pictures and Isaid I want that.
So you didn't hear anythingfrom us.
But we had so much issues wenever could have.
We keep renters, I mean withina year.
Um, they're freaked out.

(02:08:04):
I mean that they literally kindof like had nervous breakdowns
and and all kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
So we can't rent out anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:08:12):
So those shows are really uh uh older, so I don't
even know kind of.
Some of them say you can getthem still on two weeks so you
can stream them, but you have tolook for them.
But we will have newdocumentaries coming out.
We actually had last month twoladies here and they did a did
an awesome um, um, uh.

Speaker 4 (02:08:36):
I mean, it's not out yet, but yeah you want to back
up and tell them about the otherone first yeah, do this, I will
tell you the name of them.
But this, well, I'll tell youthe name of the shows first and
I'll go back and we'll talkabout what exciting things we
had happen this year.
The first one was Animal Planetin 2009.

(02:08:57):
That's how it got the name theDemon House.
It was episode 105, and theycalled it the Demon House and
that name stuck and so everybodyknew us as the Demon House.
But the next show, john wantedto come in here and he came in
with the haunted collector andthe name of that show was called

(02:09:23):
the enfield horror.
That was in 2012.
Um, the other show, when theybrought it back, as soon as they
brought it back, was on thediscovery, called a haunting.
That was like the Discoverycalled A Haunting.
That was like the original showcalled A Haunting.
Well, they reached out to BobBaker and they said hey, listen,

(02:09:43):
we just brought it back and wewant to get into Enfield.
So Bob called us and Bob's likeplease, jay, do one more show,
because doing shows like thisare very stressful.
It's terrifying what they putyou through.
It's almost like beinginterrogated.

(02:10:04):
So that's why you don't seeElka in a lot of these shows,
because she goes I'm done.
I can't do this Because, I mean, they treat you fair.
They put you in a hotel room,they pay for your food, but you
also sit in a room with brightlights and they repeat questions
over and over again.
So we did the haunting um, ahaunting called the uh, the

(02:10:27):
shape of evil in 2014.
So those were the three showsand that's how we got, and
that's why we stopped them,because we got contacted by
Reverend Neil Farley and J-Dodand they actually they paid for
the whole trip up here for twodays and they fought, while
J-Dod fought the toughest fightof his life and was almost

(02:10:49):
killed.

Speaker 5 (02:10:49):
So this year we kicked it off with a bang we had
have you ever heard of this?

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
Have you ever heard of them?
Their name is ReverentivityParanormal.
They make equipment out ofBoston by New Bedford.
They make all kinds of reallyhigh quality equipment.
Well, they came.
This is kind of funny.
They came last year and theysaid I hope you're ready, make
all kinds of really high qualityequipment.
Well, they came, this is kindof funny.
They came last year and theysaid I hope you're ready, we're
going to put the anfield houseto the test.
They said we took every pieceof equipment that we have and

(02:11:27):
what we sell and we're going totest out the anfield house.
I was like, oh my god, whathappens if nothing happens?
You know, and they got greatresults.
So they came back this year andthey wanted to do a live with
us and that's on youtube andthey got some incredible things.
I don't want to say evidencebecause it's I'll let people
make up that for themselves andwhat they captured.

(02:11:49):
Um, right after that we had twoother ladies, like elka said
one one her name was patria andand, and, uh, jeanette bowman.
They came up.
One was from florida, one fromohio.
Awesome people had a lot of funand they had a lot of
experience here.
I mean I was surprised they hadthat much activity and um, so,

(02:12:12):
uh, patria used to do, she usedto film direct and uh do a lot
of indie films.
So she wants to, um, because shesaid I, I love this house I
love you guys and she wants tomake a documentary and give us a
dvd.
So we can, you know, eithergive it out or sell it, um.

(02:12:32):
So that's kind of like what wekind of are now.
Um, but the film, thedocumentaries that we're talking
about, they were done in theearly days and, like I said, I
mean we laugh now but it was abattle for souls.
We were terrified every singleday not knowing what was going

(02:12:55):
to happen.
And when you see famous priestslike, uh, bishop mckenna have
his holy water stolen on him, orum car runs over you almost and
yeah, and just other otherthings happening.
Um, so what happened was um, youprobably asked how we got to.

(02:13:15):
Where we are now is in 2022.
In the fall, a friend of ourswho used to work with Bob Baker
said listen, you guys can't keeprenters.
Why don't you turn it intosomething paranormal and try to?
This way, at least you can payyour mortgage.
So we tried to Airbnb, but thenwe found that there was a new

(02:13:37):
word, john called event planners.
So we stopped the Airbnbbecause it wasn't fair to people
, and we tried to hook up with alarge event planner and we
decided at that point it wouldbe better to go on our own
because we we don't want tocharge people a lot of money,

(02:13:58):
like, like, like, you hear whatsome of these places are
charging 1700 a night, 1350 anight.
You know it's outrageous.
So we decided because, sinceit's the duplex on that side, we
would only charge 450.
You know it was like way low.
You and, and you get heat in thewinter, you get air

(02:14:19):
conditioning in the summer, it'sa full functional kitchen, a
full bathroom.
Where else can you go and ghosthunt and have a full bathroom,
where, if you want to take ashower in the morning before you
leave, or you got a microwaveoven, a refrigerator, we sell
snacks, so we give a lot back.
So we do a lot of fun thingsand when we do lectures here,

(02:14:42):
when we have like a sold outlecture, we give back.
I mean, it's not like we justtake and take and take.
What we do is Elko willliterally take like little
stickers and put them underneaththe chairs and at the end of
the event elko will sayeverybody look under your chairs

(02:15:02):
and whoever has a sticker getsa uh, enfield t-shirt, t-shirts.
Yeah, so we always trying togive back.
We have free water and things,so we're always trying to do
something.

Speaker 5 (02:15:15):
So we also wanted to be gonna start this year that we
do history tours, um, including, kind of like, because we are
in walking distance wherecharles cabaretto um killed um a
cemetery tour.
We will, we want to start and,uh, yeah, all new stuff, and

(02:15:37):
that's why a lot of peoplesaying, oh my god, I don't know
what happened to your website.
Our website is right now downbecause we overhauling the whole
.

Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
Kenzie's making a new one.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Kenzie's making a new one, kenzie's does a great job
with all the new things, what wewant to add on.
We want to even see becauseshe's I mean she will graduate
this year.
But we want to add on.
We want to even see becauseshe's I mean she will graduate
this year.
But we wanted to see too she'sinterested in creating a youth
paranormal, where kind of wherewe have teenagers who are

(02:16:12):
interested in the paranormal.
She wants to kind of like withequipment, we'll learn.
We'll also do research in thelibrary, kind of like really
from groundwork to when they doan investigation to figure it
out who it is, who it might beand and stuff like that.
So this will be all new addedon for this year nice that's

(02:16:33):
awesome, hey.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
um, I usually ask where to find you, but you've
already said your website's down, so let me ask you this you
guys have a Facebook page.
We do.

Speaker 4 (02:16:46):
We have two of them.
Okay, one, I'm going to letthese guys do them because they
kick me off social media,because they say I spend too
much time on there trying toanswer people and do good things
and they're like dad, you gotto get off.
So but I have the first onethat we have.
Uh, you, you can.

(02:17:08):
We're almost up to 5 000 people,um called the enfield ct
haunting okay and then the otherone which we want is going to
be our flagship one, where it'sa following site it's called the
1771 Enfield House, Elko.
Can you find that Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
So the 1771 Enfield House and then Enfield Haunting.
Enfield Haunting.

Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
Kenzie, can you find it?

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
alright, so so you guys, you can be found on
Facebook.
If anybody wants to stay there,like say they want to come
there and they want to do aninvestigation, how do they get a
hold of you?
Is it through Facebook?

Speaker 5 (02:17:53):
Facebook Messenger.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Messenger, and then the email too.

Speaker 5 (02:17:58):
That would be thehuntingcom.
But when the website will be upit will be the 1771 Enfield
House.
Hopefully by the weekend wewill have everything because we

(02:18:22):
want to create also our bookingswith the website.
So it's going to be all alittle bit more advanced that
you can also can do reservationsand that stuff over the website
.
So, we figure that out.

Speaker 4 (02:18:36):
So right now we're like said, if you want to do an
overnight investigation, Ibelieve unless I change it, I
could be wrong, so don't hold meagainst this guy.
Yeah, it's gonna be a littlebit different, but the old, the
old way was by up to five peoplewas 450, from seven to seven,
and then each additional personwas an extra $75.

Speaker 5 (02:19:02):
seven and then each additional person was an extra
75 dollars.
Um and um, we planning to do ita little bit different, because
we had a lot of requests wherethey're saying, oh my god, our
group is not so big, we only twopeople, and I get it.
I mean, that is a lot of moneywhen you, when you play it out,
you have only two people.
So we wanted to make it kind oflike that we gonna do now
individual prizes so that youhave um maybe even more I think,

(02:19:25):
kenzie, what was it?
either 100 or 125, right?
Um, yeah, per person.
So if you are two people, onlyyeah so we're gonna give the
chance also.
If you have a smaller group umthat you can, you can do also an
investigation.

Speaker 4 (02:19:44):
We are also, um, we also do lectures here.
Sometimes we try to get somefamous people well, I shouldn't
say famous, but well-knownpeople come in, uh, and they
give lectures.
Like last year we had somebodycome in that worked with the
Warrens years ago and we didlectures and we kept their

(02:20:04):
prices down to like $99.
But most because we split it 5050, so that type of person,
they, when they come up, theyget paid.

Speaker 5 (02:20:15):
We have mediums coming in.
Who do readings?

Speaker 4 (02:20:19):
gallery readings we also have, which I think I love
them, is uh, in the summertime,haunted campfire tales where we
sit around with a fire on theside of the house and we tell
ghost stories and answerquestions.
Um, so we, we're always tryingto do something, and and and and
.
Uh, you know, our goal isn't toto get rich or anything, it's

(02:20:42):
just to pay the mortgage, paythe bills, and if there's
anything left over for pizza,I'm happy.
You know.
I mean, some places are.
Are they charging on my leg,which I understand, you know
they.
That's what they do, that'swhat they do.
But we just like to have peoplecome out and have a good time,
get scared and tell a few jokesat the same time too, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
There you go.
That's the best way to do it.
So you told us where you couldbe found.
You told us where all themovies and stuff are that are
about your place and with you init, and you know me and DW.
We already told everybody wherethey can find us.
But we have one more thing weneed to do.

(02:21:26):
Then we have to wrap this thingup because we have to go to bed
.

Speaker 5 (02:21:30):
So Alright.

Speaker 1 (02:21:35):
What we do is Well, first of all, I want to say
thank you, because you know, uh,you're welcome this is a whole
lot of fun and, to be fair,you're right, I don't even think
we like, even we're not.
We haven't even broke thesurface yet, but maybe we can
have you back on in the futureand we can do a part two and

(02:21:57):
talk a whole hell of a lot moreabout it.
Um, yeah, but right now it'stime for the thing that we do,
called this or that.
So, dw, yeah, do you have thisor that this week?

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
is it my turn?

Speaker 1 (02:22:15):
I can't, I'm not sure if it's your turn or my turn.
We we've been doing the flipcity, dip city we last did.

Speaker 3 (02:22:22):
Yeah, right, because last time it was both of us and
we turned it off, yeah I haveone ready, should I, should I
yeah, you might as well do it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
Go ahead and um hit up the the yables with, uh, some
this or that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
All right.
So this is just either orquestions.
Any of you can answer, all ofyou can answer, so we'll just go
through these.
So here we go Chocolate orvanilla.

Speaker 5 (02:22:53):
Vanilla Chocolate.

Speaker 4 (02:22:56):
Chocolate.

Speaker 3 (02:22:57):
All right.
Burgers or tacos.

Speaker 4 (02:23:02):
Definitely burgers on the grill yeah tacos.

Speaker 3 (02:23:07):
All right.
I'll be curious to see now ifwe get one where they can all
agree Fiction or nonfiction.

Speaker 5 (02:23:18):
Nonfiction.
Non-fiction.

Speaker 3 (02:23:19):
I like reality there it is would you rather stay up
late or wake up early?
Wake up early.
I like to wake up early stay uplate.

Speaker 4 (02:23:32):
Yeah, you do you get me out of bed and watch TV.

Speaker 3 (02:23:36):
Alright, if you perfected your time machine.
Yeah, you get me out of bed andwatch it on TV.
All right, if you perfectedyour time machine, would you
rather travel back to 1885 orforward to 2125?
Back in time, back in time,that's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (02:23:51):
Yeah, back in time All right.
Probably, the life was probablyeasier.

Speaker 3 (02:23:56):
Yeah, okay.
Would you rather have a magicwand or a lightsaber?

Speaker 5 (02:24:04):
Magic wand.
Magic wand, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:24:07):
Can I have both, because you can.

Speaker 3 (02:24:12):
Kind of defeats the purpose.
You kind of have to pick one.

Speaker 4 (02:24:16):
Well, a magic wand can do more damage, because you
can turn people into frogs andants.

Speaker 3 (02:24:22):
So I go for a magic wand okay, would you rather
ghost hunt with the ghostbustersor scooby-doo in the gang?
Oh, they all pick scoobyDooyeah.
To travel.
Would you rather drive or fly?

Speaker 4 (02:24:41):
Drive.

Speaker 5 (02:24:43):
Fly.

Speaker 4 (02:24:43):
You're going to see more of the back roads.

Speaker 5 (02:24:46):
Yeah, yeah, I like to fly.

Speaker 3 (02:24:49):
Okay.
Is it better to sing in theshower or in the car?

Speaker 5 (02:24:55):
None of them.

Speaker 4 (02:24:57):
Yeah, it's coming over.
It kind of them.
Yeah, it's going on, it'scoming over.
What kind of goes to that?

Speaker 5 (02:25:03):
the milk gonna get sour enough all right what else
we got?

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
all right concert or sports event concert okay, all
right last one sports eventConcert.
Okay, last one, benito.

Speaker 5 (02:25:25):
Mussolini or John Olsen Mussolini.

Speaker 4 (02:25:28):
John Olsen.
Yeah, I think Mussolini is alittle bit out there.

Speaker 5 (02:25:34):
Sometimes you got to take it for the risk.

Speaker 4 (02:25:36):
Yeah, yeah well.
I'm with you, mussolini,mussolini but then again John
could be like Mussolini.

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
You know well, I'm gonna be now.

Speaker 3 (02:25:47):
I like how to start out.
One said Mussolini, one saidJohn Olsen and the other I'm not
sure.
So it was the perfect answer,like one of each yeah, that's
wonderful, yeah, perfect, loveit.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
I love that, yeah you know, I love every time that
there's a mass murderer or adictator.
They're always chosen before me, every single time I have to
get creative.

Speaker 3 (02:26:14):
You know I'm trying to pick a new person every time,
so I get it but they well,mussolini they.

Speaker 4 (02:26:21):
They hung them in the street naked right and they let
everybody I don't know him andhis wife and they created him
around.
Yeah, so he's actually executedyeah, they hung him and shot
him and they had him nakedhanging there so I don't know, I
don't think I want to see that.

Speaker 5 (02:26:39):
I mean, I know he got killed, but I do not know, and
I know for a fact ain't?

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
nobody want to see me hung naked or anything anywhere
.
So, yeah, it's probably best ifit shows Mussolini, I don't
know.
All right, well, I just want tosay this Thank you so much for

(02:27:02):
coming on.
You guys have been freakingamazing.
Uh, there's like I said, wehaven't even scratched the
surface here, but I'm sure wewill.
We'll get to it at some point.
People need to check out the1771 infield house, enfield,
connecticut.

Speaker 4 (02:27:13):
These guys uh been through a whole lot guys uh been
through a whole lot um, so yeahagain, thank you very much for
coming on.

Speaker 1 (02:27:25):
Dw, you got anything?
I think that's it all rightthat that that means well, hold
on, I got to do my thing, andhere it is right now.

Speaker 4 (02:27:36):
That means that I'm holding on to Kenty's hand
because she's fast with a button.
Don't do it, Kenty.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:27:44):
Don't end early, John .

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
I'm not going to All right.
You guys have been amazing.
We have been Scalarius and weare out.

Speaker 3 (02:27:59):
Later.

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Ep. 73 What Lies Beneath: The Dark History of the 1771 Enfield House

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