Ep. 77 Shuffling Through the Supernatural: Tarot Talk with Moon Rain

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Ever wondered how tarot cards can reveal truths about mysterious cases and famous personalities? Moon Rain, a tarot reader from El Paso, Texas, takes us on a fascinating journey through the energy-driven world of tarot reading and its surprising connections to well-known mysteries.

The conversation begins with Moon Rain sharing her origin story – learning about energy from a warlock in 1999 before discovering tarot. After stepping away from readings because knowing her own future felt disruptive, she eventually returned to the practice to read for others. Her explanation of how tarot works is refreshingly grounded yet mystical: cards represent life aspects through symbols, and their arrangement isn't random chance but a manifestation of energy connections. "Everything's made up of molecules and electromagnetic energy," she explains, drawing parallels to Einstein's experiments on thought influencing physical outcomes.

What sets Moon Rain's approach apart is her application of tarot to famous cases and personalities. She reveals disturbing insights from readings on JonBenet Ramsey, suggesting church connections and financial schemes. Her Chris Watts reading highlighted how his relationship with Nicole Kessinger influenced his actions before the murders. The Gene Hackman reading accurately predicted details about his will before they became public knowledge. These examples demonstrate tarot's potential to uncover hidden dynamics in ways conventional investigation might miss.

Most compelling is Moon Rain's balanced perspective on fate and free will. While the cards show possible futures, she believes outcomes can change through prayer and conscious choices. She recalls instances where troubling card combinations like the Tower and Death appeared together (potentially indicating the end of life), yet intervention through prayer altered those paths. This approach positions tarot as a guiding tool rather than a fixed prediction – "Let them show you where you might be heading and then you can change it if you don't like it."

Ready to explore the mysterious world of tarot reading? Check out Moon Rain's YouTube channel "Moon Rain Myst" for her unique readings on famous cases and mysteries. Whether you're a skeptic or believer, her insights into energy, fate, and human behavior offer a fascinating perspective on both the known and unknown.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks for watching what's going on.

(00:31):
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen, and with me, as always,
is dw, the diphtherian wagoneerserene hey what you drinking
cider boys.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
This one is pineapple hula.
Oh, it's got a really goodstrong pineapple taste.
This one's good nice though.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So when you went there you got that, did you get
laid?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
blame joked after another.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, this doesn't work if you don't sell it, dude,
I mean no, I I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I think that joke is proof that sometimes the joke
isn't enough.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's perfectly fine.
I thought it was pretty darngood.
So what's going on, man?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Not much.
It's been an interesting day,so I think for the.
I can hear the dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
For the record, what are you down to in terms of
weight there?
I'm down to half of a can ofDiet Coke because it fizzed all
over me, so I mean I'm down toNow.
I'm a little upset about that,but in case anybody was
wondering what the hiss and popwas of the opening of a can,
it's my good old, trusty dietcoke okay, I'm getting, I'm
getting to it, I had to take adrink, all right.

(02:17):
so I I don't know my weighttoday because I'm not an
obsessed idiot, but I do, okay.
But she.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I bring this up because you had a a a post
recently giving us an update, soUh, I, this, this is so.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, this literally comes down to ounces,
okay, but still, um, I, Ipreviously okay.
So I lost a lot of weight in2018.
Um, things happened, lifehappened, had a divorce,
financially got, you know,disaster.

(03:00):
My life was in shambles,whatever.
I gained weight.
And when I gained weight, Igained a lot of weight.
I went from like at my probablylowest, 190 to 290, jeez, okay.
So, um, it was a lot and I lostweight.

(03:20):
Uh, somebody's like god olsen,you look like you're blowed up
or whatever.
And I was like, oh man, that'smessed up anyway.
So I started losing weight andI got down to 229.4 and I got
hurt.
Uh, it hurt my shoulder andthey had to give me steroids and
all that junk.

(03:41):
And so you get steroids, youget hungry, and so I didn't
really take that great of careof myself.
I ballooned back up to like 270.
Then I was like you know whatfat ass, let's get going.
I lost weight again and I gotdown to 229.2 and I hurt my hip

(04:09):
and my leg.
So then it was like, oh okay,steroids again.
And, um, I ballooned back up.
I think I was at my heaviestrecently at uh, 269 I believe,
and then I decided, hey, I'mgonna lose weight again.

(04:31):
And I got all the way down to,most recently, 228.8, so I broke
the 229 barrier by ounces, butstill it was a huge victory
because I got past it and I'mstill not hurt.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So knock on wood, don't get hurt slicing off your
finger was, you know, not a stepin the right direction?
By the way, that's the kind ofstuff you need to avoid if
you're going to do this.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
So Hmm, but yeah, so I'm 228.8 and feeling great.
I don't know why I did that.
I believe Homer was 229 andfeeling fine yep, yep yeah so it

(05:27):
me and homer have so manysimilarities, uh yeah he has two
more strands of hair than youdo.
But yeah, I was gonna say theyellow skin for him was a color
choice.
The yellow skin for me isjaundice.
So I mean so I mean liverfailure, whatever it is what it
is.
So another little thing, andI'm not going to say too much

(05:51):
about it because I just can't, Idon't want to throw anything
into the universe that doesn'tbelong.
Stacey Lynn like prophesied agreat reach for Scalarius and oh

(06:11):
yep, I honestly kind of feltlike, whatever you know, like it
, you know it's what they do,but there's been a weird energy
and stuff like that and I don'tknow man, I think I there's been
a weird energy and stuff likethat and I don't know man, I

(06:33):
think I listen, I can't say toomuch, but I'm gonna say this if
what happens happens, you're allgonna know what happened, so
I'll just leave it at that.
A great opportunity, enormousopportunity kind of presented
itself to me and I took it andwe'll see where it goes yeah,
yeah so anyway.

(06:56):
So there's that.
Um, so did lind prophesies.
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now, dw, you do know that that natalie's not here
today yes, but um the she justum refused to uh be on her own,
so is that posy again.
This is posy again.
She's posy is, and the thingwith posy is, when a lot of

(07:29):
people first meet her, theydon't, they don't get it.
They.
She might seem nervous orscared, right, um, depending on
how you meet her.
Like, if you, if you were tocome to our house and ring the
doorbell, she would go nuts andshe would just bark at you.
You know endlessly and stufflike that.
If it was the other way aroundand we were going to your house,

(07:53):
it'd be a very different story.
The other thing, though, isposy needs to warm up to people.
So for us, for her immediate,she is the sweetest, and other
people don't realize that whenthey meet her, they're like this
is the dog and it's like no,you don't understand.
Tonight, when we head to bed,she's going to have her chin on

(08:17):
my shoulder because she doesn'twant to leave us.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
That's a hellhound for you.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is not the crazy one.
I think it's one of them.
It's one of the hellhound foryou.
Now, this is not the.
This is not the crazy one.
Yeah, it's one of the hell you.
You met the the nutso one dude.
He was fun like the nutty ones,that's.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's why it's all good, all right.
Well, uh, you know, you know,posy doesn't have a facebook
page, right, she doesn't no, no,weird people, that not going
there, not going to do that,like no page, you know, and then
you're the one doing all thework because posy can't, because
posy is a dog right, right,yeah, and then I would have to

(08:59):
re-friend all these people andyeah yeah, it would just it.
Yeah, so posy doesn't have aFacebook page.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Posey doesn't.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
You can't really get a hold of Posey.
If you wanted to, you couldthrough DW.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
If you really wanted to get a hold of Posey, you
could contact me.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, see, if you want to talk to Posey or
secondhand want to talk to Poseyor you know, second hand want
to talk to DW.
You can find him at DW SereneComedian on Facebook and you can
find me at John Wilson Comedian2.0 on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You can find us both together not in a couple way,
but yes but yeah, we areScolarius on the Facebook page
also.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
We do have a TikTok.
It's called Scolarius on theFacebook page Also we do have a
TikTok it's called Scolarius8.
I don't know man.
And then obviously on Instagram, add Scolarius and if you want
to chit-chat with us, send us anote, you can do that.
That's ScolariusPod at gmailcom.
Sclaryspod at gmailcom and Isuppose if you wanted to and

(10:07):
only if you wanted to you couldgo back and listen to every
single episode that we have atsclaryspodbuzzsproutcom.
You know, you know what elsethey can do, dw.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yep.

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They can search for Scalarius.
They'll find a ton of shirts.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
What's the best shirt in the world?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I have no idea who John Olsen is.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
We are.
That is the best to be honest,listen, if everybody were to go
around and wear that shirt, Iwould not care, because, number
one, you're putting scolariusout there and we love you for it
.
And number two, like,eventually, you know they'll see
that I have no idea who johnolsen's shirt.

(11:04):
Enough is that they'll be likeI know who john olsen is.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, and the thing is, it's such a common name that
there's bound to be anotherjohn olsen.
So exactly you can find someonewho's like married to a john
olsen, and that'd be like theirwedding present or something.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't know true, but absolutely, yeah, uh, but dw
, you know what shirt I'mtalking about.
Right, you know what shirt I'mtalking about well, it's not the
best one.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I already told you the absolute best shirt.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, yeah, I was so proud making this shirt and that
shirt is the O'Criper shirt.
That's right, o'criper, you canwalk around, not talking like
DW, but you can wear the shirtthat DW screams out when he gets

(11:59):
frustrated.
Wear that shirt.
Never said that, o'criperFrustrated, wear that shirt.
Never said that, oh Cripers,see, that's how we.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's not how it sounds.
That's not how I sound.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, sincerely, you wear the shirt and then somebody
hears it when they're readingit.
They're reading it like ohCripers, that's how they're
doing it.
All right, moving on, all right, anyway, go to crowdbaycom,

(12:36):
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Uh, do you like to surf the web?
Dw?
Yeah, what do you when you surfthe web?
What do you?
Where do you usually go?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
where are you going with this?
Just, you have the worst segue.
So I'm trying to help you here.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
We did the crowd made thing.
Now we're saying oh, websites.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I surf the web, I'm.
What am I searching for?
I?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
don't listen, man, I was boy, I'm thirsty.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I need some more mountain dew, code red.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
No wonder we don't have any endorsements, geez no,
what I was saying is you like tosurf the web?
Right, you like to like?
Is that how they, the kidsthese days?
Is that how they say it now?
Is it still surf the web?
I don't know, I'm not in tunewith that, okay, but anyway, I
know how you like to go around,like web pages and things like
that when you're on the web.

(13:27):
Okay, what is your favoritelike place to watch videos?
probably youtube okay, that andsee.
Now you'll know why the seguewas so freaking important.
We had to dance around what youwere doing and get to where I
was going, but it's okay, that'sfine yeah well done, I'm good,

(13:50):
yeah, anyway.
So, yeah, I go to youtube.
You know what I like to watchon youtube?
Sincerely, uh, back in, likethis has changed a lot.
But see, before I used to likewhen I was going through a rough
time because, you know, divorceand everything was kind of bad
I would listen to likeself-motivation things and
something to wrestle with BrucePrichard.

(14:11):
I don't know, it's kind ofweird, but either one and I
would just over and over andover again that's what I would
do.
I would use YouTube to do that.
But see, a lot of other peopleuse youtube for a whole lot of
different reasons, like my, mydaughter.
She likes manga or whatever,right, I have no idea what that
is, but she likes it and and alot of that's on youtube.

(14:33):
You, I'm assuming you watchlike stupid pet trick videos or
whatever, right?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
uh, I guess sometimes what are you uh?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
no, I was just saying like I'm assuming that's that's
what you would, you would watch, I watch.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I look for a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
I usually don't watch stupid snl stuff too, like I
watch the snl stuff I sometimeswatch tonight show.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I watch a lot of um dog videos because my daughter
she, loves funny dogs, soanything with a funny dog in it
she'll she'll enjoy okay.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So what I was trying to get to is there.
There are people that out therethat want to like watch funny
videos and things like that andshare with her.
There's also other people outthere.
They want to watch, like listento videos.
You know they're basicallyusing youtube as a listening
device more than anything, butthen there are other people out
there that sincerely love to goto YouTube and search a ton of

(15:32):
channels to try to find theperfect tarot reader, true story
.
They're like YouTube did astudy, whatever else Tarot
reading videos are up there.
Amongst all the rest of them, Imean, there's, like you know,

(15:53):
they're up there Top 10.
Yeah, so that's because a lotof people do tarot reading.
There's very few people that dotarot readings on, like, past
cases or kind of newish thingsthat are happening.
Well, our guest today she does.

(16:15):
She does tarot readings.
Uh, I've several other videos.
They're very interesting.
Uh, you know, she has videos on, uh, the menendez brothers.
She has videos on, uh, genehackman and his wife.
Uh, she has videos on chriswatts the chris watts murders in

(16:38):
colorado in like 2018, I think.
Uh, she has videos on that,really, really, it's scott
peterson.
Uh, really cool stuff.
Uh, I think, yeah, we're justgonna have a conversation today.
I want to know a whole lotabout tarot and I want to know a
whole lot about the uh, thepeople that she reads.
So, ladies and gentlemen, showmoon rain, moon hi.

(17:06):
Hey, there you are.
Okay, that's good.
I was gonna say moon rain, moonrain.
How's it going?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
good.
I was excited about the show,so I was looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's good.
I'm excited to have you on, soI got a question to ask you A
couple.
First of all, where are youlocated?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Right on the border in El Paso.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, you're in El Paso, texas, very cool Land of
the Guerrero family, so prettycool.
That's a wrestling reference,dw, in case you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
For me or anyone else who has better things to do
with their time.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Alright, very cool.
So all the way from El PasoTexas.
So what?
First of all, when did youstart reading tarot?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, I guess the first time could have been.
It was quite a while ago, andnot that I've been doing it the
whole time, but it was around.
I would just say maybe 99, 1999.
Okay, would just say maybe 99,1999, okay, and was this

(18:31):
something that you just youpicked up and you started doing,
or were you taught?
Yeah, I got into it, um, when Ifound out about energy from a
warlock, and I don't rememberexactly know where I found the
tarot cards, but you know, itactually could have been in 2002

(18:55):
, when I moved down to Eugene,oregon, from Salem, oregon so
Salem is where I found out aboutenergy and met a warlock.
And then, um, no, I was doingit before I left.
So, anyways, yeah, around thattime, and then I was doing it
for myself quite a bit, andwhile I was in college and I

(19:16):
just decided that I felt like itwas messing up what I would do,
because I thought I would.
You know, I knew the future,and so I assume I'm acting
different now that I think Iknow the future.
So would that fate actuallycome in the way that it may have

(19:36):
come?
I started to not think so, so Iquit doing it for myself.
I quit doing it completelybecause I didn't want to know
the future.
I felt like it messed me up.
So for a while.
And then I got a reading acouple of them from Psychic

(19:57):
Violetta and she's just reallycool and she asked me if I did
tarot and I, you know, told herwhat I told you and she told me
that I should start doing itagain, and so I decided to.
Yeah, you know what, that's nota bad idea.

(20:17):
I'll just be careful next time,you know, about thinking I know
what fate is because you canchange it, I believe.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah so I'm gonna go back just a couple minutes
because you, you said a magicword and I'm like okay, warlock.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
So you, you learned from a warlock I met a warlock
and he did teach me a little bitand I just figured that there's
so much unknown, you know, somuch lost during, probably the
Crusades, when you know peoplewere going around and, in the
name of using religion, to kill,murder people and take their

(21:05):
you know their documents andtheir books, their teachings and
stuff like that.
So, um, the warlock, he justtaught me about energy and I had
to figure out you know a lot onmy own.
But I mean, did you want toknow a little bit more about?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
No, I was okay.
So the last time somebodymentioned a warlock on our show,
she was talking about herstepdad and he was like
sacrificing chickens and shit.
So was this person that you'retalking about like there?
Was he like sacrificing animalsand things like that?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
No, but he did tell me that he was like a fallen
angel before so.
So then he became, you know, agood person, but he didn't
really tell me about why he felthe was a fallen angel.
That's just what he said.
So I don't really know what hedid.
But no, he didn't do that withme.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
There you go.
Well, that's good.
Good, I'm glad, because youknow that that was a whole
nother that brought up a wholelot of stuff.
Uh.
So you started, you got backinto the tarot.
So when you, when you did that,what made?
Like, were you just like,gradually going into, like,
different cases, or were youdoing for your friends?
Were you doing it for yourfriends?
Were you doing it at parties?

(22:27):
Like, how did that work?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah.
So I did go get a deck when shesuggested I get back into it
and I started to do it formyself and see, you know what
the cards look like when I askmyself questions and you know I
would see things in there thatyou know.
Confirmation is what peoplewould call it.

(22:52):
Oh yeah, I know, I know this, Iknow that, I know that's going
on.
Oh yeah, I bet you that'sprobably going on, that's
logical, so just stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
And then I started doing it for other people, for
fun okay, so I'm gonna ask avery basic question because I'm
not that familiar with it.
So what exactly is tarot?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was.
I'm glad you asked because Ihad the same question other than
cards.
I don't know what thatencompasses.
What is tarot?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
so tarot cards are these cards that represent
things in life, like happenings,you know, like, for instance,
the sun.
It has several meanings, butyou know it basically will mean
happiness, but it can have othermeanings depending on the other
cards that are around it thatyou see, um.
But so you know, I was tryingto remember this type of

(23:52):
experiment that Einstein wasdoing and it's like it was a
machine and like whenever hethought it changed, like what
the machine was doing.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with that experiment
but, um, are you familiar withthat?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think I know what you're talking about.
Yeah okay I'm.
I can't remember the exact name, but as you're describing it,
yeah, I know what you're, whatyou're talking about I feel like
that's that's so relevant.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
And since these cards they mean these things, they
represent things, they symbolizethings and, um, that's the
power that they hold.
So symbols hold that power thatthey mean, so, um.
So, like einstein's experiment,when we have the cards in our

(24:47):
hands and we're thinking ofthings, these cards, they can
find themselves where they'resupposed to be because of the
energy and everything'sconnected through molecules.
And now, you know, here's thatpart where we're made up of
electromagnetic energy,everything's made up of
molecules, everything'sconnected through molecules.

(25:10):
So you know, there's that allright.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
So what you're saying is that, like they're, they're
energy cards and what you'reputting down, see, like this is.
This is how I'm saying, and I'mI'm literally saying this with
no disrespect whatsoever totarot, to any of the energies,
whatever, but when you're sayingthis, it sounds to me like like
cosmic backgammon.
You know what I mean.
Like you're, you're putting thecards down and it could be

(25:39):
anything.
Just like, if you're playingyou, you know poker.
You know what I'm saying.
You have to you got to knowwhat cards are on the flop.
You know what I mean To knowwhat cards you have.
So, therefore, if you like, ifyou're putting these cards down,
it's basically chance.

(25:59):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
It's like playing poker, it'schance.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Well, I don't know how to play backgammon, but
about the chance, you know,that's the thing is.
One would think so, one wouldthink, oh, there's no way, no
way.
But why not in this world?
Can't we have something likethat?
Why not?
And there's so much that wedon't know that was taken away
during the crusades, when theywere killing, you know, people

(26:29):
who had studied mysticism andall those teachings that could
probably empower people.
You know so, but probablythere's a lot of that reserved
in the Vatican.
If we can ever get inside thatlibrary, we might find some
interesting things.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, Actually kind of cool.
I wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't mind going down andsneaking a peek at the old
library in the Vatican.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
So the thing about you know the chance, so it is
crazy to me too.
I also find it crazy, but butyou know that last reading I did
Gene Hashman.
Right away I saw in there thewill.
Everything was going to Betsyand you know, and then it's like
the kids wanted to find outabout where everything was going

(27:18):
.
It's like god, that's rude.
Come over and you know, findout where's, where's your money
going when you die.
But I mean these, yeah, it'sjust, and I put it out there and
I thought we'll see how it goes.
You know, before anybody knewwhat was in the will and I just
find that really interesting andI feel like maybe cards are
here for us to get some insightand pretty much that's it.

(27:39):
There's themes in the cardsthat I see that are probably
normal, natural.
I wouldn't say natural, butyeah, with good and evil things,
people tend to do things, theyhave tendencies, and these
things come out in the cards aslike common themes that come out
it seems like I've seen, youknow.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay.
So when you're reading these,do you ever get cards that
you're like nah, like, I don'tbuy it for this one, or whatever
?
Or are you like, 100% committedto like whatever you're putting
down?
That's what it means and that'sthat's what's up.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
The only time I feel like that is when I do it for
myself.
So I feel like I don't like toread for myself because I am
going to ignore things.
Naturally, you know so, but noeverything else.
Oh, so you have to make surethat you're in a good spot to do
it, you have enough energy todo it and you know you're ready
to do it.
You're just not sitting outthere, you know, kind of tired

(28:44):
and not ready to figure out whateach card means that you come
across.
You know, if you're not readyto do it, then maybe wait until
you have the energy to do it.
Rather that way.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So you're saying the energy powers the cards.
I mean, I mean that soundssilly to say that whatever, of
sounds silly to say thatwhatever.
But you're telling me that theenergy that you have, or
whatever, powers these cards andhelps you to put them down in
certain areas, or what, how?
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
well, everything's made up of energy.
That displays itself in severalways, like light and sound,
what else, I don't know.
Color, right well that, youknow that's light.
But um, we're made up of energy.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
So I'm colorblind, so I don't know, like I mean
partially.
Yeah, you're mostly colorblind,so I wouldn't know if color was
energy or not.
It's just normal to me.
Uh, okay, so all this energy isout there.
You're in, you're putting thesecards down.
Can you tell, like obviously,okay, tell me what cards there

(29:55):
are.
How many are in a deck?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
52 okay, so like playing cards right, oh no, you
know, maybe 56 actually okaywell, I don't, I'm not sure
around there, you want me tofind out what the exact amount
is.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
No, I just I'm just curious like yeah, so if it's,
if it is 52 or 54, you know 56,whatever it was.
Then you have 56 differentthings that you're putting down
Correct, like you're not puttingall of them down.
How many?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I mean, yeah, you can .

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You can.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I do, you haven't, you didn't For Gene Hackman's, I
did it, I did two videos,melissa wanted to do one with me
.
And that was interesting, butyeah, I did two videos.
Melissa wanted to do one withme and that was interesting, but
yeah, I did.
Yeah, in the beginning I don'tdo.
I didn't do them all In thebeginning, like I started with
JonBenet's and I didn't finishonce.
I saw that her father and herbrother were not part of it.

(30:57):
I felt like to leave it at that.
But then I got more interestedbecause there's two figures in
there, um, in the beginning,that have are in the church and
I, just when I would go throughit, I was kind of maybe like, uh
, not really okay, as I am nowreading about dead people and

(31:19):
bad things that happened in thebeginning.
It was difficult, a little moredifficult, got easier why was
that?
uh, because you're about to askabout what happened and it's you
know it's going to be bad.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, with those certain cases, of course, okay,
well, I mean, let's go over acertain case because I I'm
interested in this particularcase.
So, uh, I I just glancedthrough.
I didn't watch the whole video,but and there's a reason why
because I wanted to ask about itand I figured that this would

(31:57):
be the best forum for it.
So, the chris watts readingthat you did.
Okay, what did you see on thattable?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
you know, the only thing I can remember and I was
thinking about that to myselftoo, because sometimes there's I
don't remember.
I don't remember everything, Ijust remember certain things
that I'll go over back in myhead.
So with that one, it was theway that Nicole Kessinger was
kind of egging him on.
That's what I remember fromthat reading Okay, I mean kind

(32:44):
of like.
I mean, I don't know if youremember that part, but to me
that's the only part that Iremember.
Um, that she was just kind ofthe attitude of like, well, you
know, you got that family and soyou know, and then, uh, then he
is gonna divorce and he wantsto move in with her and she
doesn't want him, and he's likewhat did I do?
You know, that was hard, youknow, knowing that somebody's

(33:11):
best there.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, I've seen that documentary, DW.
You seen the documentary onNetflix about that?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I think it was American.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Word Chris Watts.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, you know, if I I did, it's not memorable it's,
uh, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I I recommend people watch it.
Obviously, sad ending um.
So it's not listen.
It's, it's not a spoiler, okay,so um yeah just throwing it out
there.
All right, you know I I'msitting here and I don't want to

(33:50):
like, I don't want to get toodeep.
So what's the darkest thingyou've ever seen on a tarot
reading?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
did you finish asking the question about that
particular case?
Did I answer your question?
yeah, you did yeah okay, okay,so, um, darkest thing, you know,
I'm just thinking.
When I saw in just what firstcomes to mind and I can't.
Actually there's a few things,but but like it seemed like john

(34:22):
bonnet was used as a pawn insome kind of money scheme and
had to do with some of thepeople at the church, like two
men at the church and patsy, andthat was weird and then that
was disturbing because I waslike the church.

(34:42):
So how often this is going on?
And then it reminded me of howall those people came out.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
You get, you know, seek justice with the abuse that
was going on in the church.
And then there was another onewhere this boy, james Yablonski,
went missing and he thought hecould handle it out there by
himself.
Um, it looked like he went outthere.
He kind of wanted to bring hisparents together by doing that

(35:11):
somehow.
But, um, some guy I guess inthe reading it's like some guy
spied that out that he was byhimself and he probably was
watching him for a while seeingthat he was by himself, nobody's
coming around, this kid'strying to live.
And he came over and just likea, a con artist would do you

(35:34):
know all kinds of lies andsaying you know, I got a wife at
home that can cook, and I wasthinking about this to myself
the other day too.
I got a wife at home that cancook, and I was thinking about
this to myself the other day too.
I got a wife at home that cancook and clean for us.
The kid was probably gettinghungry, you know, and went over
for that and then I just like,basically it started in my mind,

(35:57):
started to see the kid, it justprobably happened immediately.
Then I really that kind ofthing is just hard to continue
to look at in your mind.
So, like I didn't, I didn't tryto look past it too much, we
just know.
We can pretty much know whathappened, you know yeah
basically well, we don't need toknow what right yeah, so how

(36:24):
many celebrities have you read?
I don't know, but I need to domore, because the problem is
just who to do next.
What's important enough to donext?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, and not even not just celebrities.
But I mean, like the JonBenetcase, is whether you call that a
celebrity.
It's a famous case that we allknow about, right?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Mysteries.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, mysteries, yeah .
So if there's so, if there's somany cards in a deck, you're
looking at the same cards everytime, how can you decipher this
card, which is the same as whatI saw last time?
That means something else thistime around, when I'm looking at

(37:22):
it, as opposed to I'm justtrying to.
I'm intrigued by you say that,like when you said the John
Bonnet case was two people fromchurch.
How could you get that from thecards?
What was it in the cards thattold you that?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
um, I haven't gone back to look at the video and I
think about doing that for myvideos to look at these, because
they have signs.
They've got the King of Cups,wands, staffs and Pentacles and
that could tell their sign.
You know what astrological signthey are and that's likely what

(38:00):
it was.
And so if john ramsey seesthose two kings that came out in
the beginning because they werenext to I don't, I don't
remember the cards that theywere next to, but as you go
along, you know you're, I guessthis is what they call the
intuition, because this is allhappening from you.

(38:22):
So your thoughts are likely theright thoughts, because you're
putting the energy into figuringit out and this you know, the
cards are reading for youparticularly, or your mind to
understand.
So, like the way that if youstarted to read cards, you would
see different things becauseyour mind works differently, we

(38:45):
have different experiences.
So, like I said, there'ssymbolisms, so cards will have
different meanings and some ofthem they'll be written on the
cards.
But when I was just practicing,I was getting the gist of
things, like I would understand.
You know this is always showingup when it's like this kind of

(39:06):
thing, you know.
So one tarot card reader saidsomebody asked him about reading
, he said oh, I just determineit for you know what I think it
means to me and I thought that'sa good way to look at it,
because words are symbols.
So, like for certain words, itcan mean something different to

(39:29):
different people.
You know, maybe depending ontheir experience.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay.
So, man, I don't know, dw gotup and walked away from the mic.
I'm gonna let people know this.
He, he's probably gonna getback on right now.
Yeah, yeah, he just came backon, all right, but I'm just like
I was gonna say you, moon, you.
You said that people readingthe cards, they give off the

(39:59):
energy too, and their energyalso goes on rain yeah, they go
on to the card, right, theirenergy also goes on to the card.
So, like dw, if he was going toread cards, it would be like the
symbol would be a donut and theenergy of it donut.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's that's how it would be you needed me back on
so you could make that joke.
That's why you're pretty muchyeah I was.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I was trying, man.
I saw you walking away and Ijust started going and had to
the dog started leaving.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
He wasn't walking away from what I said no,
there's there's plenty ofsymbols on the cards, for, you
know, there's a lot of differentnew decks that they have out
there.
I don't even I'm not botheringwith those right now, because
the one deck, the Rider Waite,is enough for me to get enough
different messages from, so Idon't need to go, you know, get

(40:55):
out of the decks.
I can read all of them upright,but I'll read certain cards in
a reversal position depending onthe cards around it.
You know okay and that's whatyour intuition is used for.
And, like I said, and it's notyou putting your energy on it,

(41:16):
you're just connecting with thecards.
You're all one.
You're not all of a sudden likelacing it and you know anything
like that with your energy.
You know yes you don't you're,you're not going into it and or
it's not coming into you.
Everything's separate but oneokay, I get it.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
So, with that being said, you said that the cards
around it also have something todo with the reading of a
particular card, right?
So what card, what particularcard do you drop the most?
What card are?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
you?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
oh my god, no, it's if you're dropping cards um no,
I mean dropping on the table,like when you're putting it's
okay yeah, so you're dropping iton the car, on the table,
meaning, like you're putting itdown, you're showing this card.
What card is that?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
your number one, most shown card well, like I said, I
do the whole deck, so they'reall always coming out.
Okay, all of them okay.
But if somebody's asking aboutmoney, you know, and they don't
tell me what they're askingabout, that ace of pentacles is
going to come out okay.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
So let me ask you a question on this one, okay.
So, like when you're, whenyou're doing the tarot reading,
you're reading basically a story, but the cards you're putting
down this is this is the nextline in the story.
So what are the most popularfirst four cards that you drop?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
it's.
You know, if I'm reading aboutcertain like there's one certain
person in my life that I haveread about over and over, okay,
and for this one person the samecards will come out,
unfortunately, because it's it'snot good and it's it's
upsetting to me just to seethose same cards constantly
coming out, to the point where Idon't.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Even the last time I I did the reading, I was just
showing somebody that they comeout like that and I was like,
see, I don't even read aboutthat anymore because I already
know what's going to come out,you know so what I'm trying to
say is if myself and DW wereacross from you, okay, and you

(43:48):
read one before the other, likeis there a possibility that
myself and him have the samefour cards, four cards, or like,

(44:10):
is that going to be completelywacky?
Like, what I'm saying is, ifyou do two readings in the row
and the same four cards come out, the first four, okay, is that
unusual or is that normal?
And if another card came out,you'd be like whoa, that's crazy
no, that I'd be like I didn'tshuffle.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Let me reshuffle, let me cleanse the cards.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah all right, and so we're saying 56 cards in the
deck right, essentiallysomething like that I guess I
should look it up, huh so, and Iwas saying it sounds like
playing cards right, because 52cards in it, but aren't there

(44:51):
four jokers, dw two, there's two, so there's 54 total cards in a
deck.
Technically you take the jokersout yeah unless you're using
them in the game and they can bewired, okay, all right.
So I was just thinking, do youhave, is it, is it the same

(45:12):
thing?
Are you I'm not saying suitsand things like that, like
whatever but do you have cardsthat technically group together?
You know like, have you haveall hearts, you have all
diamonds, you all have all aces?
Are there a group of cards thatyou know group together in a
deck?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
you mean, is there like a group of cards that will
constantly come out?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
no meaning, like.
Well, that was kind of theanswer to the question I had
before, but no, what I'm sayingis like, is there a group of
cards?
Okay, so you know how you havethe aces, then you have the
spades, then you have, you know,the Queens, you have the jacks
and things like that.
They're groups of cards,whether or not they're hearts

(45:56):
and diamonds or whatever.
So do you have specific cardsthat line up, like that, like?
Do you have?
Like, are there four, fourdifferent types of death?
Are there four different typesof like?
You know, joy or the?
You know?
Do you see what I'm saying inthose cards?

Speaker 3 (46:15):
yeah, yeah, you know there's I guess I'm recalling
like a couple of readings I'vedone where the tower and death
will come out.
I believe they've come outtogether before and that's a
really bad thing.
That has shown me it actuallyis talking about ending life.

(46:39):
Not that that would happen,ending life, you know.
Not that, that's not that thatwould happen, but um, that's
that could be the intention in areading or something you know,
but I know I've seen it a coupletimes.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, all right, fair .
So that kind of what you saidthere kind of makes me.
That's why I like that.
You know you get a littlenuggets of information from you
and then into the next questionfrom me.
So you had said in that youwere like uh, how do you explain
that you're talking about thedifferent cards and everything

(47:14):
you said, the tower and the whatwas the tower and what?
death okay, tower and death gotogether and that means you are
going to die or you could die,right, that's what you said.
End of life could happen.
So my question is in that, likeyou decided that you weren't
going to read yourself becauseyou didn't like the way it was,

(47:37):
you, you wanted to whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
So no, I wouldn't read for myself, I won't.
It's usually about love and, ifyou know, I'm not interested in
really knowing, I guess okay,fair enough, I get that.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
So basically, what I'm saying is, like you had said
, that you can change your fate.
So if you're getting thesecards right, like I guess what
I'm getting at is, tarot has tobe kind of like an anxiety
builder, right?
I mean honestly, like if youget a card that means like the
tower in the oh my god, thatmeans I could die and you're

(48:15):
going to be scared of, like,everything going forward.
Do you see what I mean?
Or like is it meant to?
The true meaning of tarot iswhat I'm getting for?
Is it meant to warn you or isit meant to scare you?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
no, I feel like it's meant to tell us where things
are heading, and so, if you wantit to change, um, you know,
there's times when I feel likethe only thing that can be done
in the moment is uh, we all haveour own way of connecting to,
whatever you want to call it,the universe, great spirit, god
and whatever you want to call it.
Everybody is connected to itand, um, I, I have prayed for

(48:57):
people when you know, a fewtimes in the readings when I saw
some bad things that were yetto pass and they didn't, you
know, didn't go down like that.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Um, yeah, so you said it's kind of like the cards
show you on basically where youcould be heading.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
So essentially what you're saying is tarot is a
spiritual gps in a way I feellike you should only use it not
to tell you a whole lot ofthings about your life, because
it'll drive you nuts.
It's okay to use it for that,yes, but to depend on it and

(49:41):
everything that is toxic foryour life.
You know you don't let cardstell you where you're going.
Let them show you where youmight be heading and then you
can change it if you don't likeit.
Like I said, through prayer, Iuse, you know, I use engage

(50:01):
every day okay, so, and thatthat brings another question in.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Like is is tarot along the same lines as like, uh
, a ghost box or a ouija boardor whatever like, is it a like a
doorway?
Is it a portal, is it a way fora spirit to come through?

Speaker 3 (50:26):
A spirit in particular.
You know like it might.
Yeah, they could be aroundwanting you to do a reading, but
I knew where you were going.
I felt like I knew where yougot that question with.
Uh, will you ask that again?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
yeah, basically what I'm saying is is that you know,
like a ouija board or a ghostbox or something like that, when
you're using it, they say youknow that that's your
communication, that's a directcommunication with the dead.
So therefore you're kind ofopening a door, you know
inviting them in.
So is that the same as withtarot?
When you're doing the tarotreadings, are you basically

(51:09):
cracking the door open, sayinglike come on in feel like that.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
You know?
No, I've never gotten haunted.
There was one time when I feltlike in the kyron horman reading
, you know, the walls made asound.
They creaked, like.
I know that spirits can makesounds when they come.
I've I've had a sleep paralysis.

(51:38):
You know where you get haunted,right that moment and I've seen
spirits and walk in my room andmake the noise and I was like,
wow, they actually make noise.
I, I didn't even think theycould do that.
But so when I was doing Kyron'sreading I heard like I was
gonna do it, just so I wouldn'ttake a whole lot of time talking
, and but anyways, I heard thewalls creak like that and I

(51:59):
thought I better turn the cameraon, because you know, know, if
that's him, if he's here, then Iprobably should turn it on so
see what else happens.
You know, but I don't feel likeit's dangerous.
They say Ouija boards aredangerous and I made my own, so
it's, I just get answers when Ilook at it.

(52:21):
So it's, I just get answerswhen I look at it.
I look at I wrote a circle ofthe letters and I look at it and
different letters will pop out.
I don't feel like anybody'sgoing to come through and I'm
not afraid.
So I mean they I used to be ofspirits, but I don't know.
You know, maybe kind of alittle bit, yes, but you know,

(52:44):
ultimately I feel like theycannot touch us.
If they touch us, they can onlydo so much.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
They can only let us know they're there, I feel like
they can't kill us um, I Idisagree wholeheartedly with
that one, and the only reason Isay that is because I mean
ghosts had.
I mean if they're strong enough, they're gonna pull enough
energy that they they can do awhole, a whole lot.
Um, I'm curious about yourhomemade ouija board.

(53:11):
You said you had the letters orwhatever, and I all I thought
was like again, a spiritualrotary phone.
You know what I mean.
You said, yes, that it lightsup when no, let me clarify it.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I I said I feel like they can't touch us.
I've been touched before andyou know, kind of hard at one
point, so it's, but I feel likethey can't kill us.
Maybe they can, I don't know.
But you have to do someprotection.
Uh, step on yourself, then someprotection, energy work.
I just use one thing, one chant, enlightenment chant, that's it

(53:46):
okay, um okay, so let's go onto the next thing.
I just wanted to clarify thatno, you're, you're fine.
I I was just gonna ask, like,what's your favorite celebrity
that I don't know, I don't thinkthat I really had a favorite,

(54:09):
you know, uh, the Menendez waspretty interesting and maybe for
just the reason that peoplereally didn't know a whole lot
of what was going on, like thetruth, you know, were they lying
about all that?
But what I saw, you know, I sawlike video cameras in the room
and I didn't say anything untilI got to the end and I was like

(54:29):
that's kind of important, youknow, if he was doing that with
them yeah, uh, what was?
that other question you asked,though you asked a question that
you didn't go back to no, I was.
I was asking what your favoritereading was like okay, just

(54:54):
before that, but it's okay ifyou don't remember I um, I don't
remember.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
There may have been something.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I don't think so.
I think she pretty much thoughtit Because I was going through,
I wanted to go through.
Did you think that it was aportal?
And you basically said, well,yeah, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
No, I feel like it's what I made.
Nothing's going to come through.
I made it.
I feel like you know I didn'tbuy it at the store or get it
from somebody else.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So I can't say that using one of those other ones
isn't a portal.
I mean, I've had experienceswhile I was using, when I got
from the store, and I'm to thisday not sure if that had
something to do with some of thebad things that was happening.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
You know, I mean it's a possibility.
Uh, but you know, ouija boardsthey have a bad stigma.
Uh, I mean, am I gonna use it?
No, but it doesn't mean that,like it's just my preference.
Uh, I've heard stories they're,they're that they're evil and
they're bad and things like that, and I just decided to stay
away from it, kind of likecocaine you know I'm not going

(56:11):
to do cocaine I heard it was bad, it was evil, whatever.
Stayed away from it.
So, um, so the ghost box, the,the ouija board, you know, you,
you think that it's apossibility, that it's, it could
be like a portal in.
But the tarot itself, do youfeel the tarot could be a portal

(56:35):
for another spirit?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
um, something that starts happening when I do tarot
.
I was gonna start doing it onYouTube for people but it made
me so tired.
I'm like I'm not going thatroute like to do all 12 signs.
But I found when I did it thecard started to shuffle in a
certain way and it would tell me, like kind of, what the reading

(57:00):
was about.
I was like, wow, that's reallycool, but you would have to.
That's the relationship you'rebuilding with the cards that
you're reading for yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
All that stuff, okay so I got one more question and
then we're gonna like lead in,have you tell people where they
can find you.
Then we're gonna do our littlethis or that thing and then
we're going to head on out.
But the question is is simplylike do you believe 100% in

(57:38):
every hand that you do Likeevery time you read, do you
believe 100% that that isexactly what it's supposed to be
?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
yes, the cards come out the way they're supposed to
be, and then it's up to me tounderstand what they say.
And then the thing I found withthat was sometimes the endings
they're not going to end like.
If you pray like I said, Iprayed for a couple of them and
they don't end like they'resupposed to, and so yeah, okay,

(58:13):
and then one more, and thenwe're doing the thing, and
here's this.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Is it, uh, your favorite, your favorite sign to
read for?
And why is it virgo?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
well, I only read for them the one time okay and now
my friend had an interesting one.
She was an aries and it was.
It was weird.
It was, yeah, it wasinteresting.
I thought it was the mostmemorable, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Aries UW.
What's your sign?
Cancer.
Yeah, I could tell what.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I figured you'd say that.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
That's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
What's your sign, John?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I'm a Virgo virgo okay yeah, yeah so okay, fair
enough.
I, my queen consort, is also acapricorn, so, uh, you know,
that's it.
It's good month, good sign, youknow.
Uh, and let me ask you this the, the signs thing, the you know,

(59:27):
do you believe 100 of that?
Do you think that, like, everysingle day, there's a new story
for you and you can eitherfollow it or don't?
I mean, it's basically, is thattarot?
It's kind of what I'm going for, I guess in in a way, like, is
that kind of tarot too, ifyou're going to read your
horoscope, is that tarot?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, people get on there and they read for the
signs, you know.
But I've looked at signs thatwere not mine and they seem to
go with it.
So, you know, I don't know ifthey should keep doing signs,
readings, you know.
But but yeah, it was usefulwhen I did it.
Actually, I can't say it could.
Could have been better anyother way with the readings that

(01:00:10):
I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, okay well, you know like.
Do you know a particular signthat is worse than any other?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
no, I mean I just I know different people with
different certain signs that tome like could throw up a red
flag if I was planning on datingthem.
You know I'd have to test themand things if they were certain
signs, just because myexperiences with them.

(01:00:46):
So I'm like I wonder if there'ssomething to that.
I guess you know hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Did you say you test your dates about their signs?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
no, if they were certain signs, I would probably
try to you know, figure them outa little bit okay, so they're
not like you don't have themdoing like a question answer
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Like, okay, like you're a virgo, why question
mark?
Like you're not, you're nothaving them write like stories
and stuff about it.
You're just like, okay, you'rea aries and you know that's not
good for me, but I'm willing totry to get to know you.
You know, is that what you'resaying kind of a thing?

(01:01:32):
Yeah okay, all right, I'm justpit, I'm just picturing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Hang on a second.
Oh, this is not gonna end wellfor you and who no, I mean she's
on a date and she pulls out thecards and she says let's just
take a moment to look at these,and oh, yeah so I don't think we
should see each other anymore,and then that's yeah yeah, I

(01:01:58):
haven't on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
You know, like there's been a couple times when
you know I've talked to peopleonline and then I'll get on the
phone with them.
Well, especially like where I'mat, I didn't really know
anybody.
But anyways, I did that a fewtimes and I found like I did try
to start a reading and peopledon't want me to do it.
No, no, no, you don't have mypermission to do my reading,

(01:02:28):
like, ok, but I'll do.
You know, I'll pull some cardsanyways and then I'll see oh,
you're dealing with multiplewomen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I won't say that, I'll just know, and I, you know,
I'll move on.
And wouldn't that be funny.
It's like oh, that's why youdidn't want me to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
It's like your wife doesn't know, okay, yeah wow,
but that would trip me out, tobe fair, it would, especially if
it was especially if your wifewas there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
She's like oh, why don't you want her to finish
this reading?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
exactly.
Yeah, that would not be, thatwould not be good, but no it
would trip me out if somebodylike was like, hold on a second,
and the card I picked for youis the weeping willow.
What the hell?
What was going on like?
Why am I yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
but at the same time I could also see how some people
are like kind of the the backto the future thing, where doc
didn't want to know about hisown destiny, kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Some people are like I don't want to know what it is,
I just want it to happen Idon't know, just just a thought,
just saying so I just, I justthink people would want to know,
and I think it'd be even morehilarious if you're on a date
with somebody and they juststart reading you, like she pops

(01:03:34):
out her tarot cards, drops themdown, like oh, it looks, wow,
you had the, you have the towerand death looks like tonight's
gonna suck for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
You know, like, yeah, I would ask first oh yeah, go
ahead oh no, I just said I wouldask first if I was oh right,
right, yeah, I mean, if we werein person and is that because
you need their energy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
because if they're down in the dumps and they don't
want to do it, like it, does itdo anything?
Or it's the cards?
The cards meaning like, like ifmy energy was across from you,
am I going to influence thecards that you're dropping?
If it was for you, the cardswould be for you okay, all right
, so the energy doesn't matteris what I was saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
You got to have your mind right.
You have to have it cleared,you got to be ready and you
focus on that thing when you'rereading.
That's why maybe in my readingsI don't know I keep on asking
the same question to the cards.
Because you got to make sureyou stay focused on that one
thing and don't think aboutother things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
try not to that would be super hard for me it's a
practice for sure yeah, all itwould take would be like a noise
upstairs.
I'm like crap there, I gotnothing all right.
So all right, moon, rain.
I.
I'm sorry I was calling youmoon earlier I was.
I was thinking like said, well,no, I know it was moon right,

(01:05:07):
like first name moon, last namerain.
Right, that's what I'm thinkinglike, well, hey, moon and and
whatever, so moon, rain, uh, youknow, I I'd like to hear about
tarot I was interested in in allof this.
I'm I'm not 100 sure if Ilearned anything more than what

(01:05:28):
I knew at the beginning, but I.
I mean, I knew nothing, so Ilearned something you know, I
just I don't know you asked thequestions so, like you were
asking questions that you didn'tknow the answer to, so what is
it that you don't know that Icould maybe enlighten you to no,
I was just saying, like youknow, I everybody has a stigma

(01:05:48):
or whatever about tarot and andyou know there's certain things
with, and basically what what Iwas saying was is that what you
were telling me is what I waskind of guessing, in a way,
meaning like you know, the cards.
You know they're not all thesame cards for the same people.

(01:06:09):
They're not.
You know, whatever you can pullout four different cards, I
mean four different times.
You can pull out four differentsets of cards at numerous times
and things you know, thingslike that.
That's what I was kind of goingfor.
I I wanted to see if, like, ifany of that stuff was like
completely wacky you know what Imean to in your, in your eyes,

(01:06:30):
meaning like I knew in a way.
Yeah, so I was just kind of uhasking about that stuff and yeah
, it's tarot's a wild, wild ride.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Let me tell you yeah, there's some people on youtube
that I know are phonies at leastone for sure who copy, like she
tried to copy my reading.
Um on, it was, uh, madelinesoto reading and she came like
it was a day or two after me andshe laid out.

(01:07:08):
She had the cards already laidout and then at the end she puts
the king and queen of cupstogether and says, oh, this is
them and and I was like thosecame out in my reading like that
because it was about their love.
It's, that's not their sign.
It was about love and she waslike, oh, this.
And then it was like she wastaking it as that was their sign

(01:07:29):
.
And I was just like I felt likeat that moment when I saw that
that she had tried to copy myreading and she was a big phony
and she had thousands of readers.
So you have to be careful whoyou're watching.
You know some people.
The readings they're so outthere maybe a little bit
resonates with you, but thenthere's a lot of stuff that gets

(01:07:51):
your mind off track.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
There's a lot of people out there that do
readings and you know um,basically, I wanted to bring you
on so people can go and watchyour readings.
And if they were going to dothat, moon Rain, where would
they go?
How would they find you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I have a YouTube channel and it's under the name
of Moon Rain, mist M-Y-S-T.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Very cool.
She has several differentvideos on there.
We went through a few of themhere.
You know, obviously, the GeneHackman there's two-parter there
.
You know the Chris Watts story,the Menendez brothers.
There's several others, if youwant to go and just kind of
check it out and see what shehas to say about what happened

(01:08:45):
during those times.
So, moonray, we do a thing atthe end of our show and that
thing is called this or that andthis or that, basically is that
, you know, we're going to askyou a couple questions and just
give us an answer, of which one?
Uh, it's a very, verysuperficial way of getting to

(01:09:06):
know you, uh, just barely, justunder the surface.
So, um, but it's something wedo with everybody and, yeah, are
you willing to participate inthis or that?
yes awesome, very cool d w.
Yes, I believe it's your turn,sir so I'm gonna ask you the

(01:09:31):
question, so I do.
I need to ask the question no,you don't need to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Uh, well, if I want to to to, I was gonna say you
don't need to drag this out likeone of your product
endorsements, where you startwith.
You know, have you ever foundyourself in a hot air balloon
and you think, gosh, I reallycould use some Burt's Bees

(01:09:56):
deodorant?
I don't know.
Anyway, you're OK.
You ever find yourself in a hotair balloon.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
We're going to do this or that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I'm going to lead it.
John is going to try, and, orthat I'm going to lead it.
John is going to try and keepquiet and we'll see how this
goes.
I'll try Go ahead.
She's already said she'swilling to do this, so let's
just not waste any more time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
All right, so here we go, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Would you rather fly or drive?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
It's on where to Okay , okay, okay, if you're flying,
do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
the window or the aisle window if you were driving
?
Are you going to listen tomozart or zeppelin?
Mozart okay clue or monopoly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Clue or Monopoly.
They're both so easy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
But Clue is more intriguing.
Okay, would you rather have thechicken pox or poison ivy?
Poison ivy is easier to get ridof All right If you perfected
your time machine.
Do you want to travel back to1825 or forward to 2225?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
It'd be interesting to see 2225.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Okay, all right.
Very important one Does thetoilet paper go over the roll or
under?
It goes over that was the rightanswer, thank you all right, oh
, I should have asked that.
Well, it didn't make sensebecause we're in the car, but

(01:11:36):
the um mozart you're listeningto is that streaming or vinyl
records?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
well, if it was in a car, you know it'd have to be
streaming.
But ah, you know those vinylrecords.
They have a certain sound to um, that is uh that hiss and pop
yeah there's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
There's just something about it.
Yeah, all right, I did this onejust for you.
Virgo or Libra.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Well, my brother's a Libra and he's very nitpicky
when it comes to certain things,and so I figured and I've met
other Libras and they, you know,so probably a Virgo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
All right, dogs or cats.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Cats they don't take.
You don't have to take himoutside all the time on a leash.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
All right, okay, so now Grand finale John Olson or
Ted Kaczynski.
All right, okay, so now grandfinale John Olson or Ted
Kaczynski.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Like are you talking about?
I don't even know what he lookslike, but I I don't think I've
heard, oh, ted Kaczynski, he's ahe was the he's a bad guy he
was the, the male uh bomberunibomber oh, oh god, yeah, I

(01:13:12):
think, yeah, definitely he's.
What about him?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
well, so that that's your uh, your choice.
So do you want?
No, not him, so not so, johnolsen, you won only because ted
kazinci had the I was actuallywaiting for her to say it, yeah
I know you want me to choosethem for what like?

(01:13:39):
and that's no, that's the sadpart.
We have to clarify what this isfor, like in a car ride or for
a barbecue, because yeah, so Idon't want to be in a car with
ted kaczynski, but oh I'll havejohn, you know.
Yeah, so that that that was theright answer.
Yeah, and anytime it's notobvious the person who's not

(01:14:04):
john olsen, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
That's the thing, it's not it doesn't has nothing
to do with anything else otherthan open for him.
That's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
That's what's up I think well, and I don't even
remember how it started, likewhy we said john olsen or
someone else, but the, but thefirst well, and the first time
someone said I don't know saidjohn olsen or someone else, but
the.
But the first.
Well, and the first timesomeone said I don't know who
john olsen is, I was like we aredoing this every week, because
that was amazing so yeah, just along-running gag, no big deal

(01:14:37):
you can't know where tedkazinsky's old yellow car is
that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
He had a yellow car, right.
He had a shack.
He had a shack out in the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
She's thinking of Ted Bundy.
He's the one that had the car.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
No, not the gold beetle, but it's like a yellow
older car.
I saw a video of them pullinghim over and he was in a yellow
old car it may be yeah somebodyin my apartments.
It looks like his car and I'mlike, how did you get his car?

(01:15:14):
Must have been in the auctionor something, but it really.
Yeah, I saw that on the tv andthen I was like, wow, I think
that's his car right down there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
But it's like anyone who had a white Ford Bronco yeah
, pretty much, and they werelike that wasn't me, I swear
yeah, the old white Bronco, yeah, I remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Uh, yeah, pretty much it ruined the NBA finals for me
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah, that was the downside.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I met a girl today that's going to be moving into
my apartment and she wants aBronco.
Oh, really this is sointeresting with these cars.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Oh, the new ones.
Yeah, no, like the sidekickthing that we're having when it
comes to these cars.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
oh, the new ones.
Yeah, no, like the sidekickthing that we're having when it
comes to these cars.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
DW brought it up, so you're probably feeling him.
It's weird, good old dubs,alright.
So, moonrain, I just want tolet you know I appreciate you
coming on.
We had some fun, got to learnabout some tarot.
It's pretty badass, uh, yeah,so everybody, thank you for

(01:16:30):
having me you're very welcome.
Everybody needs to go to moon,rain, mist, myst on the youtubes
and check out her stuff.
Yeah, it's a bunch of reallycool videos.
Um, you're very welcome for ushaving you, uh again, just like
any other scolari show, it was ablast, all right.

(01:16:52):
So you know what that means, doyou?
know what that means yep you dotime to get out of here, all All
right.
Well, dw knows what it means,so that means that you know what
this means.
It means that we have beenscolarius and you have been
amazing Gosh.

(01:17:13):
How did I mess that up?
Oh, I didn't.
I just played what I did,played with I did, played like I
did.
I was just Gosh.
I was playing that one up too,it it doesn't matter either you
end early or it's you guys uplike I've been amazing.
We have been scolarius and weare out later.

(01:17:37):
Thank you.