Ep. 84 Ghost Stories from the Badge: The Supernatural Sleuth

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks for watching what's going on.

(00:31):
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen and with me, as always, is
dw, the distancing wigglewogger, serene.
You gotta get closer to the micsorry, I tried it's all right.
What are you drinking?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
so another cider boys uh pineapple hula again cider
boys is I they're?
They're my favorite.
Uh, I've and I've.
I've had quite a few hardciders and I think theirs is the
best.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Was it Cider Boys, the last one that you got the
hula punch, or whatever it was?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Probably, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked a couple
weeks back when you went and gotthat, did you get laid?
I know it wasn't funny thefirst time it's even less so
today.
Three times in Third time's.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
A charm Is that the philosophy you have for all your
material.
If it bombs the first two times, try it again.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
If it bombs?
I just put it in a differentpart of my set.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So your bad jokes don't die.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
They, you know, live somewhere else like if it's a
really, really bad joke, I'llput it like filler, like in the
maybe, maybe, towards the endyou can't, can't, let them all I
I.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I don't have room for jokes that do nothing.
So if a joke bombs, I I'll.
There's a good chance I maynever do it again so, okay, fair
enough.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Now, dw, I'm gonna ask you a question and your
answer will determine what drinkI'm going to drink today oh,
okay so, left or right, my leftor your left, whatever direction
Left.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm asking because I thought maybe you had a drink on
the left and a drink on theright and that's what it was
going to be.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
It is, but it's a universal left or right.
It doesn't matter if you cansee it or I can see it, it's
still left or right.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay, so I'll go left .

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Left, yes, alright, alright.
What's left or right?
Okay, so I'll go left.
Left, yes, all right.
So what do you have?
See, that's what it sounds likewhen you put it up to the way.
Okay it.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It is a uh, sparkling ice water and it's flavors
cherry oh okay, all right, nowthat you've had a sip, does it
taste like starburst?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
it does.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's amazing it's really good.
It's one of my favorite drinks.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Um, I don't drink a whole lot of things with sugar
in it at all because you knowthe whole like getting sexy
thing.
But uh, that I mean it doesn't.
It says no sugar, but let's behonest there has to be something
yeah, so um well, and if?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
if there's no sugar, is there some sort of sugar
substitute?
Yeah, there's some sort ofsweetener yeah, there was um.
I was watching a video abouthow um sugar substitutes can
actually be worse yeah you thansugar.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
There's one of them out there that gives you anal
leakage or whatever.
Is that what you've got now?
No, I don't think so.
Let me look, give me half anhour, I'll let you know.
Everybody here is like reallyOkay, but anyway.
So how are things in SereneManor?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
they're going all right.
How, uh, how are things in casade vitro?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
um, they are pretty okay.
Uh, things are kind of settlingdown, but then ramping up, then
settling down, then ramping upagain, but uh, no, everything,
everything is pretty decent, Ifeel.
Getting ready for the summer,getting ready for my kids to be

(04:32):
here, and we're going to dosenior pictures for my boy, oh,
okay, all that good stuff.
So he'll be graduating nextyear.
We have a long line ofgraduates here at Casa de
Batrodes.
It is this year was the boy,next year is my the boy, the
year after that is the oldishgirl.

(04:56):
Then there's a break whichpossibly, maybe could be our
wedding.
Possibly, maybe could be ourwedding, not me and you, but me
in the betrothed, uh, or wecould be before that, who knows,

(05:19):
but that's a break and whatever.
And then my youngest daughter.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
So, uh, next five years is gonna be pretty busy
here at casa de betrothed you'regonna wait that long to get
married?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
No, I doubt it.
We'll be married before then.
She can't help herself.
That's your reasoning.
Yeah, that's it, but yeah,everything is going good over
there.
You wait patiently for thesummer.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, we've started.
I've got a few like landscapingtype projects around the house
that I've been working on.
We got our sidewalk fixed.
It was like really bad, so wegot that leveled off.

(06:01):
I we had someone do that.
That's, yeah, you know, notgonna um, but I I made a little
uh garden bed in the front yardokay um, which is pretty cool
and I'm not quite done with.
I want to put another layer ofstones around and stuff like
that.
Um, I want to uh, uh, we have awalkway with just some walking

(06:27):
path stones I don't know whatthe term is, but those are a
little uneven.
I kind of want to just levelthose off.
I want to make a fire pit whatelse I've got?
Oh, there's a spot over by thehouse where the grass ends and
it's just a bunch of dirt.
I want to put a like more nicerlooking divider there.

(06:50):
Um, we've got another gardenbed up by our, uh, the walkway
that I that right now isactually wood and of course, the
wood is rotting and becauseit's, you know, getting wet and
everything like that, and I'mplanning to replace that with
brick or something like that.
Oh, and I've got to paint.
So we've got a lot of thesummer projects and if I get to

(07:13):
half of them, I'll be happy.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So yeah, I, I mean I don't.
I have to clean a garagebecause we have a party other
than that oh yeah, oh, I'mdecorating it too as I go, so uh
, but yeah and other than that.
No, I don't have any of thestuff you got going on.
Uh, I do want to, um, I want totalk to our listeners and you

(07:36):
for a second.
I think a text message wasexchanged between me and you, uh
kind of alluding to this, but Iwant to, um, I just want to let
it be known.
Uh, we, we kind of putourselves out in the, we're
comedians and obviously this, weput ourselves out in the public
.
So when we put your I mean whenyou put yourself out into the

(08:00):
public, people uh get access toyou.
When they get access to you,they tend to either well, some
tend to say some pretty horriblethings.
A few weeks back, we had a geez.
A month or so back, we had aguest on geez.

(08:28):
A month or so back, we had aguest on uh, I learned I, you
know uh, me and dw did what wedo for every guest and you know
we just want to have a good time.
Uh, it's kind of, you know, uh,known it is a paranormal and
comedy podcast, so, uh, but I, Idon't know what happened, uh,
but she kind of took things alittle differently.
Uh wrote me an email stating so.

(08:49):
I apologized during that emailand I sent her one back that
said you know, you know Iapologize for that email in in
my response and, uh, you know,and I kind of let her know, you
know, things weren't exactly howthey were and you know, uh, we
appreciated her on and we uhwanted to, you know, say, you

(09:16):
know, good luck with what you'redoing.
I got a response back that endedin expletives Um response back
that ended in expletives, um,and so I just kind of gave it to
God and said, hey, please, youknow, like let's not have her
contact me, uh, but it happenedagain and uh, this time it was

(09:37):
just kind of like, maybeenough's enough.
Like you know, we're not, we'renot tolerating it anymore, um,
things, you know, we did what wehad to do to uh stop the emails
from coming, uh, but you know,just want to say like flat out
that, uh, nothing is as it seems.

(10:01):
Uh, there was no malice in whatme and DW did and it's all
about entertaining baby.
That's bottom line.
So I know that you knew this DWkind of in a way, but I wanted
to let it out, say, and withthat we are not going to be

(10:28):
dabbling in anything that is notkosher on the paranormal field,
and I feel like maybe doorswere opened that shouldn't have
been and things kind of went alittle haywire.
So everybody knows we're allgood, everything's cool, nothing

(10:52):
happening, but me and the dubshad some weird responses.
Yeah, and that is leading intothis.
Essentially, she got a hold ofus, but maybe you want to get a
hold of us and and how you coulddo that is, first of all, you

(11:12):
could go to dw serene comedianon facebook.
You find me, john, alsocommunity 2.0 on facebook.
You'll find us both togethernot together.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
We're not a couple.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
You can find us, but you'll find us both together on
facebook, at the sclarius page,we also have a tiktok.
It's called sclarius eight.
No need to okay, whatever.
And then, obviously, if youwanted to like, send us nice
emails, send us nice letters.
If you wanted to do that, youcould do that at scolariaspod,

(11:46):
at gmailcom, or if you wanted toand sincerely, only if you
wanted to you can go back andlisten to every single Scolarius
episode there is atscolariaspodbuzzsproutcom and DW
.
While they're doing that, I'massuming they're going to be all
like hey, you know, we like you, we're going to get some merch

(12:09):
and whatnot.
Maybe I don't know, maybe not,maybe they're typing up a
threatening email, who knows,who knows?
But just saying hypothetically,you're a fan, okay, and you
want to purchase Scalarius,merch, dw.
Where could they do that?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So if you go to Crowdmade, John usually gives
you the full address.
I think you should just go toCrowdmade and search Scalarius
in the search bar I think that'seasier.
Bar I think that's easier andyou find mugs, hats, leashes,
collars, sweatshirts and alsoshirts that include phrases that

(13:01):
neither of us say.
But if you think that I sayKripers, there is a Kripers
shirt.
But we also have my favorite,who I have no idea, who John
Olsen is.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, of course, it's not only your favorite.
There's a few Including mybetrothed, but anyway.
So, yeah, you can do all ofthat, get all of that.
And I'm going to do the longversion, dw, because that's what
I do.
You can get all of that atcrowdmadecom forward slash
collections, forward slashScalariousPod.

(13:33):
That's flawless, baby, you canget it there.
Get your Scalarious merch, doit, do it, do it.
All right, dw, we've been doingScalarious Scalarius merch, do
it.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Do it Alright, dw.
We've been doing Scalarius fora while, right?
Yeah, okay, we've had somepretty cool guests, right.
We have had authors, we've hadcomedians, we've had comedians,

(14:15):
uh, you know we we've had likeactually just entertainers in
general, psychics, mediums.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
We've had um pet psychics well, and would he be
considered a politician or amember of?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
not a member of Congress, but remember we had a
political person, a politician Apolitician, if that's what you
want to call it.
It only worked because he wastelling ghost stories, because
both Republicans and Democratslike sclerias Ghosts are
nonpartisan, by the way, that'strue, that's true, that's true,

(14:46):
uh, but anyway, we had, we hadall that, all that.
But you know what?
We haven't had a tiktokentertainer.
And I found literally theperfect fit for this show today.
And he is, like I said, atiktok entertainer.

(15:10):
He's a police officer and he'spretty popular on the old
tickety talk.
It's brandon gayhart, thesupernatural sleuth.
Brandon, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Hey guys, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
We're doing pretty good, doing really good, awesome
, I appreciate you guys havingme here.
You're welcome.
I appreciate you coming on.
This is amazing.
Dw's probably not too keen onthe whole tickety-tock, or you,
and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
No, no, no.
I don't want him to take itpersonally.
I have nothing against him.
The computer machines, that'swhere I, Even though I'm young
enough that I do the technology.
I'm not into the social media.
I just I don't know.
But again, I don't want ourguests to feel I don't know.

(16:05):
But again, I don't want ourguests to feel like I don't
appreciate him.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You're going to appreciate him when he's done, I
guarantee you.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's fair.
Two years ago I didn't know howto post a video on TikTok.
I'm not really a scholar myself, but I've learned a few things
over the past couple of years.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, you have.
You've learned quite a bit ofthings in the last couple of
years.
You have quite the following onthe old tickety-tock how did?
That happen.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm still trying to figure that out.
To be honest, I'm still bettingon a fluke.
I'm not sure.
But um, so one of my bestfriends, who is pretty popular
guy in a way.
He's worked on a lot of prettybig tv shows and he is currently
the number three guy on mr b'sproduction team.

(17:01):
He's uh, he talked me intostarting tick tock okay and,
mind you, I do absolutelynothing about tick tock.
I thought it was just a bunch ofkids dancing, I knew nothing
about it and um, but heintroduced me to it and dude, I
don't know, here I am, you know,two years later.
So I'm still trying to figureit out myself.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Honestly, that's, it's pretty awesome.
I want to talk about your pagebut obviously, right, that's
that's pretty like your.
Your page is you and the reasonwhy this is doing.
But I kind of want to back up alittle bit and talk about the
name and why.
Okay, so your name, thesupernatural sleuth, and

(17:46):
obviously you're a policeofficer, right, which can said
you know the sleuth, right.
I'm curious about thesupernatural part, why you're on
that and with that I have aquestion as a police officer,
did you, during shifts, comeupon paranormal activity?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, well, to start with the name.
To be honest, chatgpt came up.
I'm not going to lie.
Oh, wow, there you go so myfriend Zach, who I just
referenced a minute ago.
He and I were just trying tothink up names.
My friend Zach, who I justreferenced a minute ago, he and
I were just trying to think upnames.
Law enforcement and you knowspooky, paranormal supernatural

(18:31):
and ChatGPT spit out thesupernatural sleuth and we were
both like I like it.
So yeah, that's where that camefrom.
As a police officer, have Iencountered paranormal stuff
Many times?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yes, Wow, okay, there's followups to this,
obviously.
How do you okay, when you comeupon it?
That's one thing.
How do you call this in?
What do you do with that?
Because, obviously, right,there has to be a response or
communication between you andthe dispatch and whatnot, right?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Is there a code for it?
Like 1017 means ghost in thehouse or something.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Well, there should be , but no, unfortunately there's
not.
You know a lot of calls, Iguess, that have paranormal
tendencies.
Were you know like, in the weehours of the morning you get a
call about someone in a supposedto be an abandoned building or
house and you go check it outand clearly no one's there.

(19:41):
You do a walkthrough but yetyou hear doors closing or
footsteps.
You just call that back in asan FTL failure to locate and you
go on about your business.
Then you talk about it later,but not over the radio.
That's happened quite a fewtimes.

(20:03):
Some people talk about it andsome don't.
I know some guys who just won'ttalk about paranormal.
They don't.
You know it's not real, itdidn't happen, even though they
can't explain it.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
They won't admit that something else is going on.
You know that's amazing.
It is kind of disappointing ina way that you don't communicate
it back to this um, but I canunderstand why not?
I kind of want to get like your.
Okay, you said it happens a lot, or you know whatever.
Is it because of yourgeographical location, do you

(20:44):
feel?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
um, I mean not necessarily maybe.
I mean you know the appalachianmountains.
There's a lot of history, youknow a lot of good stuff, a lot
of bad stuff, and but you knowthat's anywhere in the world.
You know right, you know you goto la new york, anywhere.
You have good things and badthings and I believe hauntings,
personally, are tied to where alot of times, tragedy, you know,

(21:09):
has taken place.
You know, um, and you know, Ithink if you work long enough in
law enforcement or a firstresponder of any kind, you're
going to come across somethinglike that at some point wow, I

(21:29):
it.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's just amazing to me that it it happens so
frequently and really not talkedabout amongst you guys like I
mean, what do you think thepercentages of people that would
uh, entertain the fact?
I guess that that you'resitting around talking about
ghosts and the other?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
well, you know you have to keep in mind where I'm
from.
It's very rural, uh, you know,like I said, in the heart of
appalachia.
You know I can most of theofficers between city policemen,
uh, deputy sheriffs and andstate policemen, you know I can
name all of them in my county.
So there's not a hugepopulation but out of the ones I

(22:11):
know really well, I think weall have talked about things
we've encountered.
You know the majority, I wouldsay, are believers.
You know they've experiencedsomething on call or, you know,
in their personal time off.
But, uh, but a good majority ofthose have had calls where
things and a lot of times it'sweird, you don't really realize

(22:33):
it at the time okay until youget after the cousin.
There's a lot going on sometimes.
You know you're processing inthe moment, yeah, yeah, but when
you get time to sit back laterand think about it, like you
know, that was pretty strange.
You know, I heard someone callmy name or I felt someone touch
my shoulder and there wasn'tanyone else there, things like

(22:53):
that.
You know and um, so there's alot of you know a lot of stuff
out there and you know, and Ithink a lot of first responders
would agree with that, yeah wehad um paranormal triage on here
and they are first respondersand they talked about the
paranormal stuff that they comefrom, you know, and it's yeah,
it's pretty bad-ass.

(23:14):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Definitely so okay, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So I'm sorry.
I'm just going to say I'vealways, you know, had a passion
for the paranormal, so maybe I'mmore in tune to it, or looking
for it more than most of youraverage person.
So, you know, maybe that hassomething to do with it as well.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, so you said you've always been, you know,
impassioned by it.
So have you.
I mean, did you haveexperiences as a child?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
A few.
I can remember my firstexperience.
I think I was four years old,wow, actually about a quarter of
a mile from where I'm sittingright now.
I'll never forget it my grandma.
She used to babysit my cousinand I before we started school.
A beautiful summer morning wewere out on the porch playing

(24:07):
front porch, and my grandma inher house, her upstairs.
It was a two-story home.
She didn't use it much otherthan storage, but at the bottom
of those steps she kept a bigbox we kept her toys in, okay,
and my cousin and I were playingand I remember there was a
specific toy that we wanted so Ivolunteered to go get it.

(24:32):
And my aunt, who was also thereat the time she worked night
shift.
I remember she was asleep, so Iwas trying to be quiet and I
make my way inside to the toybox you know, not thinking of
anything ghost or spooky and asI'm just digging away through
this box I can remember the hairstood up on the back of my neck

(24:59):
and, for whatever reason, Iinstinctively looked straight up
above me and looking over therails, the banisters from the
second level, there was an oldman.
I kind of compared him to themonopoly man, kind of the
victoria erin clothing on like asuit, top hat, all that stuff.
He was just leaning overlooking at me and I just

(25:19):
remember like fear just engulfedme.
I was terrified and I ranoutside and that's about all I
remember.
I'm sure my grandmother didn'tbelieve me, but um, I can
remember that like it wasyesterday and it's been 40 years
ago oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
So I mean, was that happening all the time?
Was that the only experienceyou ever had there?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
In that house.
Yeah, I think that was the onlyone I can recall.
You know, the next thing Iremember was I was probably 12
or 13, and it was at my house.
It was, I can remember it wasduring the winter, probably
february, but it was a beautifulday.
Son was out, my brother and mydad was gone, it was just me and

(26:12):
my mom and she was outsidedoing some kind of chore and I
was in my bedroom closet it wasa huge walk-in closet again
rummaging through a toy box,which is weird now that I think
about it.
And I had been in there probably20 minutes or so just digging
through those boxes and in myleft ear the most maniacal

(26:35):
creepy sounding boo.
In my left ear, I mean like itwas loud and I thought, sure my
brother or someone had came home.
And there was no one.
My mom was still outside, andthat I mean like you know being
you know, the other time I wasfour, I was still very aware,
but at this point I was probably, you know, maybe 12 or 13, so I

(26:59):
was more aware.
You know, like I know, I didn'tdream it, I didn't make it up,
it happened.
So that was an eye-opener too.
And it said boo.
The ghost said boo, yeah boo,and it almost had a hint of
laughter.
You know it's hard to describethat because boo is such a short

(27:20):
sound, but I could almost.
It sounded like it was tryingto mess with me, trying to scare
me, but I'll never forget it inmy left ear very loud, very
intentional boom, wow yeah, sothat guy you like kick-started
then into the paranormal gig,right, I mean?

(27:44):
yeah, I mean that thatdefinitely impacted me, uh, a
lot, you know.
But you know that, aside, likegrowing up and even still, I'm a
huge horror fan I love scarymovies, you know.
Um, now my family did run afuneral home, you know, as I was
, maybe that had something to dowith it too, um, so I was
around stuff like that growingup, but you know, I'm not sure

(28:08):
where that all ties in, if itdoes at all.
Um, but yeah, yeah, Iexperienced a few things, but it
wasn't until I started lawenforcement that I really had a
lot of experiences, wow.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I would love.
I mean, okay, we're going toget here and then we're going to
go to I can't, I'm going to dieon this hill is what's going to
happen.
So what is the scariest thingto happen to you on a call
Paranormal-wise?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
You could say real wise if you wanted to, because
that's probably worse to be fair, but right but, yeah,
paranormal wise well, you know,it's hard to pick just one,
honestly, and the thing about alot of these experiences is,
like you know, it doesn't mywords are not going to do it

(29:07):
just justice, to describe justthe, the amount of fear that
when you're in that situation,when you know it's not a person,
um, but you know, like I said afew minutes ago I would you
know, I've had to do likesearches, search buildings, like
three levels total darkness bymyself, you know, and hear doors

(29:31):
closed, like something wasintentionally leading me through
the building.
I would clear one floor, itwould lead me to another area.
I'd hear a door close.
See the door close.
Go there, no one's there.
Uh, 10 seconds later, a doorclose.
See the door close, go there,no one's there.
Ten seconds later, a door downthe hall would do the same thing
.
And I actually done that onenight.

(29:52):
I didn't have a flashlight oranything, everything just kind
of happened.
I didn't have time to grab allmy stuff, and so, you know, I
was in this huge building thatwas notoriously haunted, if you
will, and my initial thought wassomeone in the beginning, but
the longer I was in there Ibegan to realize it wasn't a

(30:13):
person and that was creepy, andthat was before cell phones were
big.
So now you just reach in yourpocket, pull out a flashlight or
call someone.
This kind of happened.
I didn't have much on me at alland, like I said, I wasn't
terrified like for my life, butI just realized, like the depth

(30:35):
of the situation I was in, likethe gravity it was.
Like I don't know how manyparanormal experiences you've
had, but when you're in thepresence of something that you
know what I would say is evil,it's a different kind of fear.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Not like a fear of like somebody's going to hurt me
, but a fear of like you're inamongst true evil.
Yeah, kind of fear, and so youknow.
It's why it's hard to put thatinto words, to really explain to
people.
You know how intense that is.
But if you've experienced it,you know.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
See, I've had paranormal experiences.
Dw, on the other hand, has not.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, ok, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, I mean he is.
He is the skeptic.
Yeah right, I mean he is, he isthe skeptic.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, very few things get by him without it being a
debate of some sort, that's fair.
That's fair, and I know a lotof people you know who are the
same way and, for whateverreason, some people just don't
seem to have experiences likeother people.
I don't know why, but uh, I seeI see that a lot actually.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
All right.
So I'm going to ask you ageographical question, and then
you can, and then from therewe're going to dig into your
page and why your page is yourpage.
Sure, how much in your opinion.
In your opinion, uh, how muchof the Appalachian Mountains is
haunted.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean the whole range.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
The whole range.
Okay.
Well, I will say a lot for sure.
But you know, I guess, where myanswer may differ than a lot of
people's is my belief in ghostsis so much different than most
people's.
So I do believe.

(32:36):
Anywhere you have a tragedylike a homicide or maybe a
suicide or you know, with thoseemotions and stuff, negative
energy, whatever you want tocall it, I believe demonic
entities feed on that stuff.
It's kind of like bees to honey.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
But you know, I think anywhere these entities can get
attention you know people go to.
For instance, if you know ahouse that has had a terrible
tragedy someone was murdered oruh, whatever people just
instinctively say oh, the houseis haunted, let's go there ghost
town yep and I believe anywhereyou go, you're going to find it

(33:21):
, because I believe thesedemonic entities want attention.
so you know, I think you can go,like the ablachian mountains,
if you've never been here.
They're beautiful, they'recreepy I mean me personally.
I'm very comfortable in themountains.
I grew up here, but I alsorespect the mountains.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
You know I'll say this I think the majority of
paranormal things that arereported can be debunked, but
there's a natural reason for themajority and even the stuff
I've experienced, things I'vesaid it could be paranormal,
probably has a logicalexplanation.

(34:00):
Right, but it's those thingsthat I wish I could explain that
make me think about when I layin bed at night.
You that, I know, wasn't thatdefy the laws of physics and
everything that we know right um.
So you know the Appalachianmountains, I would say the vast

(34:23):
majority somewhere.
If you talk to somebody in anystate county of Appalachia, they
have a ghost story.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Damn, that's a big range.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
It is.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
It's not the Rockies, but it's a big range.
Wow, that's impressive.
Okay, so you said you're ahorror fan.
Yep, All right, I'm going toask you're a horror fan.
Yep, all right, I'm going toask you this and then, like I
said, we're going to get to yourpage.
So what is the best horrormovie based in Appalachia?

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh, based in Appalachia, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So you threw me off.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I thought you were just going to say the best
horror movie of all time.
Well, you can give me that onetoo.
But well, I would say halloweenfor that one.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh, really, okay.
Okay, all right, fair enough.
Fair enough, okay.
I'm sorry.
Um, oh, I don't know.
I'll have to think on that fora little bit.
All right, you weren't gonnasay wrong turn.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, that did pop in my head.
Yeah, that I did.
I did think about that, but isit the best?
I don't know, I'll have tothink on that for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
You weren't going to say Wrong Turn.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, that did pop in my head, I did think about that
, but is it the best?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But it is a good one.
It is a good one.
And where was Deliverance?
Deliverance wasn't a horrormovie, but it I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I'm not sure if it's West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Tennessee, kentucky.
I think it was in theAppalachian Mountains too, yeah.
I want to say West Virginia,but I could be wrong on that I
mean if you can classify, like Isaid, I know parts of it were.
So yeah, the squealing anyway.

(36:10):
Yes, dw, do you have any ideawhat I'm talking about right now
?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, a horror movie is a movie that tries to have
scary Moments in it.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Thank you, you're welcome Alright.
So Alright, brandon, this iswhere the rubber meets the road,
or whatever.
Sure, the butter meets thesteak Supernatural Sleuth.
When you started it, was itintended?

(36:45):
You were going to tell theshort stories.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
No, to be honest, I didn't know.
I just knew I wanted to dosomething.
My initial plan, I guess, wasto, because I had some pictures
that I thought were paranormaland investigations of my own

(37:09):
that I would share.
Well, that well, ran dry prettyquickly, you know, because if
you've ever been on a ghost huntor whatever you want to call it
, nine times out of 10, youdon't get anything.
Or if you do, you don't getanything on camera or video.
It's personal experiences.
So what I did have, again thatthat was going after the first

(37:30):
week or two.
So I'm like, again, that wasgoing on for the first week or
two.
So I'm like, well, that's notgoing to work, so I'm just going
to have to do something else.
And people started telling metheir stories and so I would
tell their story and just itsnowballed from there.
Honestly, I didn't know that'sthe route it would take.
But you know, here I am, youknow, two years later, and

(37:53):
sometimes I get, you know,dozens of emails and messages
every day.
I can't keep up with them.
Wow, yeah, it took off reallyquickly and I've been very
blessed.
You know, I never thought I'mthe last person who wanted to be
in front of a camera.
I don't look good, sound goodon on camera.
But I'm just at that point inmy age like I don't care what

(38:16):
people think I'm gonna do what Ienjoy doing and but at the core
of my tiktok I share ghoststories and talk about all that
stuff.
But you know, I'm a devoutchristian and shared my faith is
the most important thing that Ido absolutely that.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I mean that, okay.
So this is where I'm going withthis.
You, you know you're a devoutchristian and you say that, uh,
I'm just.
Are you saying to us, I guess,that all in your opinion, all

(38:52):
ghosts are demons?
Yes okay, all right, all right.
I was gonna say, like you know,that's, I know the catholic
religion believes that um youknow I get it and, based on what
I just read in the, uh, in theold good book, you know it's
it's kind of written in thereand said you know, basically you

(39:13):
know if it's dead it's gone.
You know, like you know.
So, yeah, I think ecclesiastes.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Uh, chapter nine, verse five the dead know nothing
.
Yeah, yep, you know I'd beabsent from the bodies to be
present with the lord.
And uh, there are several otherreferences and you know, before
I became a Christian I didn'tnecessarily believe that.
I thought it was.
Well, you know, mainstream TVghost hunt shows.
You know they say, oh, this istrapped spirits, people who had

(39:42):
unfinished business.
But you know that never didreally sit right with me because
I was like, well, you know, I'mpretty sure the Bible says this
.
But you know, this guy on TVsaid that, and so it wasn't
until I really became aChristian and studied it for
myself until it became clear tome oh, I get it now.

(40:03):
These things are just trying todeceive people.
You know the devil's not goingto come at you chasing you with
a pitchfork.
You know the devil's not goingto come at you chasing you with
a pitchfork.
He's going to come at you, asthe Bible says, as an angel of
light.
You know everything you thoughtyou ever wanted, all the good
stuff.
You know he doesn't even wantyou to believe he exists.
And the ghost in your housethat's great-grandpa Joe.

(40:24):
You know he's just here towatch over you.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
You know there's nothing biblical about that at
all, and so that's kind of thecore message of my tiktok, my
instagram, everything I doacross social media and I
wouldn't be a uh, new, you know,friend of jesus and and I know
dw's a big uh he, he does histhing, you know he's got a

(40:51):
relationship with big guy too.
So with that, you know, I likethe paranormal.
Dw is kind of lukewarm on it,he doesn't hate it.
But you know, whatever I likethe paranormal and being a
christian man, like how, howdoes that work?
How do you balance that?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
that was a tough one, honestly, and it's something I
really struggled with a lot.
I started the TikTok account inApril of 23.
And I was very lucky andblessed I became monetized in
the following August, so just afew months.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Wow, yeah, not very long at all.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, so just a few months, wow, yeah, not very long
at all, yeah, and.
But in September my momunexpectedly passed away and
even though I was living aChristian life then, I still
felt very close to God.
That was, you know, hands down,the toughest thing I'd ever
been through.
So I had to reconnect with Godand then it really did start

(41:51):
weighing on me.
You know, God, here I am.
You know I'm devoting myselfback to you.
You know where do these worldsmeet?
Because I know the Bible speaksclearly about, you know, not
communicating with the dead ordemons.
So I don't know how to proceed.
You know, I was all excitedbecause I'm monetized.
You know, I'm starting to makea little bit of money.

(42:14):
My mom passes away and now I'mjust I didn't know what to do
and so, like I said, she passedaway in September and pretty
much that whole winter I postedsporadically just a few here and
there, but there, but I justwrestled with God, with it.
Is this something I should do?
Moving forward, how do Iproceed?

(42:37):
And it wasn't until, I think,march of last year that I just
got a peace about me.
I felt like God told me you dowhat you're doing, but I want
you to tell people the truth,and so I said so.
I said, okay, I had a pieceabout that, but I'm like I want
to start back from scratch.
You know I've got over 10,000followers, but I'm going to

(43:00):
start because I've not postedconsistently.
Everything's gone, you know, tocrap.
But the moment I startedposting again and telling people
what I feel like God told me totell them, it instantly took
off Like it just it blew up,unlike anything I could.

(43:21):
It blew my mind and it's still.
You know that's been over ayear ago and it's still doing
really well.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, it absolutely is, and that's what you know.
Like god wants you to talkabout him, right?
Yeah so, and he wants you to,you know, do it by any means
necessary.
Essentially, you know, um, youknow, first, you basically you
know, tell your friends and thentell the world, essentially,

(43:49):
right, I mean right, yeah that'swhat he said.
So I mean, that's kind of wherewhere you went with that and and
I feel it kind of gave you aboost to uh tell the world, so
to speak yeah, definitely, andyou know, and for a lot of
christians I believe that's kindof a taboo subject.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Like you know, you don't talk about ghosts,
whatever, but I that's where Idiffer is like I don Like, you
know, you don't talk aboutghosts or whatever, but I that's
where I differ is like I don'tbelieve they're disconnected, I
believe it's all one in the sameand you know, and it's and I
truly believe thiswholeheartedly it's not.
You know, I don't have almost400,000 followers because I'm a
good looking guy or I sound goodor look good in front of a

(44:29):
camera.
You know, god gave me aplatform and I just hope to do
him justice by sharing what Ibelieve to be truth and
hopefully you say something thatmight encourage someone to go
to Jesus Christ.
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Absolutely, that's awesome.
Thank you, you're very welcome.
That's awesome, dw, you gotanything so far?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, that's, uh, it's awesome, dw, you got anything?
So far, no, we've had verydifferent opinions about ghosts
and demons and the demonic andstuff like that.
There are people who would saynot every spirit is demonic, but

(45:15):
again, I think it's very justchristian in general, though, to
say, um, that when you die,that's not the end.
So, even though it seems likethe two, you know, don't really
mesh or we don't talk about themat the same time, in a way it's
kind of supporting each other,you know.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, so definitely, um, and yeah, and you know some
people just don't again, like Isaid, it's been a lot of
christians, I know.
You know you just don't talkabout ghosts whether they're
real or not.
But you know, I believe thespiritual world like is going on
all around us all the time.

(45:58):
I had a good pastor friend ofmine tell me years ago before I
became a Christian, and it stuckwith me.
This has been close to 20 yearsago.
He said if we could seeeverything going on around us,
we wouldn't be able to sleep atnight.
And I believe that Now.
I believe there are good things.
I do believe angels intercedein our lives.

(46:19):
God definitely does.
But I believe the Bible is veryclear.
It says the devil is roamingaround like a lion looking for
who he can devour.
Like I said, he's going to tryto, you know, like candy out of
a van.
You do children.
You know he's going to try tolure you with the good stuff,
the sweets.
You know he ain't going to comeat you with a pitchfork because

(46:41):
you know if he appeared in histrue form or a demon did, I mean
you would have a mass exodusand everybody would run to God,
you know.
So I mean you would have a massexodus and everybody would run
to God, you know.
So he's going to.
His plan is to deceive Verysubtly, not with the horns and
the pitchfork, hellfire andbrimstone, it's the little
things, the little things, thelittle things.

(47:03):
And he just keeps one thingafter another.
So you know, and that's not avery popular opinion in the
paranormal community.
I've I've come to realize that,you know.
I have, you know, taught withsome bigger names in the
paranormal world and might havesome collaboration opportunities

(47:23):
in the future, but mostmainstream ghost hunters don't
want to talk about it.
But that's okay, you know, ifthat means I lost my whole
following, I'll lose my wholefollowing you know.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
So I mean, it is kind of disheartening, in a way,
that everything that you'resaying is corroborating what
Zach Baggins always says, thatit's a demon.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I mean Everything's a demon right you know,
everything's a demon him.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
But yeah, you know as much as I hate the fact that
you agree anything with with oldzacky you know, I appreciate
right.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
uh, well, you know, I think there could be a couple
instances, like are you familiarwith residual hauntings?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Now you know, I think yeah it's kind of just like
something on loop, it's just youknow.
But if that is true and thatdoes exist, I feel like that's
more explained through sciencethan paranormal, because you
know, it's just energy,something about energy, yep yep,
but you know, and I, you know,I ask myself this a lot.

(48:38):
You know before I, you know,when I was trying to figure all
this stuff out in my head, youknow, you hear these souls had
unfinished business or they'retrapped between worlds.
Why, how souls had unfinishedbusiness or they're trapped
between worlds?
Why, how you know?
Or why would a person or aspirit or soul be stuck in a
house for all eternity?
Why that just?
I mean, if god is god, he'seither god of all or not god at

(49:01):
all.
He is well capable ofretrieving our souls when we
pass away.
You know there's nothing we cando to stop it or slow it down.
Unfinished business or not, ourtime here is done.
So that's why I don't believefor one minute that it's a
comforting thought to think,yeah, my mom's here watching
over me, but where my mom is, Ihave greater comfort, knowing

(49:25):
she's at peace with the Lord.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
And I'll see her again someday.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
But I just think there's a lot of deception in
the world and I'm not saying I'mthe only person out there
saying this stuff, but I justfeel like I have a
responsibility to share what Ibelieve to be true.
Now, that doesn't.
You know, a lot of peopledisagree, and that's fine.
I have friends who are atheists, you know we can agree to
disagree.
A lot of people disagree, andthat's fine.

(49:51):
I have friends who are atheists, you know we can agree to
disagree.
That's no big deal.
I'm not offended or whatever.
You know, I think it's actuallygood.
People bring different ideas,you know, bring different things
to the table.
That's great, you know?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
yep, because it all starts with the conversation,
essentially yeah, exactly that's.
That's how it always it alwayswas.
Yeah, you started gettingstories from people.
You started having them.
Yeah, I mean, you were tellingthem uh, what is the creepiest

(50:24):
story that you ever received?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
oh man, that's a good question.
I have read so many, honestly,over the past couple years, you
know I would.
There have been many that whenpeople will reach out and say my
family was tormented by thisdemonic force, the children

(50:51):
would have these imaginaryfriends that lived in their
closets and you know, and theywould tell our children, you
know, to hurt us, to hurt theparents, and then, like the
mother in the family, would beassaulted.
You know, physically, you know,I don't know.
Know, there's just been so manyand at the core of them all,

(51:16):
like you can just tell, it'sjust like dark, dark things, you
know, terrorizing these peopleand some of them it affects
mentally for years and it, youknow, it's a real thing, you
know.
But one thing I always encouragepeople who reach out and I'm
not my brother, he's a doctor ofpsychology, he's a psychologist

(51:37):
.
Okay, I'm in no way apsychologist.
I don't try to offer peoplemental health, you know.
For you know I encourage people, if they feel like they need to
talk to someone, to do so,because I'm in no way certified,
you know, to help you as amental health professional at
all.
But you know, I will say, atthe very least, you know, pray

(52:00):
about it, ask God to help you.
He will.
But at the same time, if youfeel like there's something
going on, because some peoplesay, well, you know all the
struggles, you know I had ademonic attachment and it caused
me depression, severe anxietyand thoughts of self-harm and
I'm like, you know you need totalk to somebody.
I can't, you know, I can't helpyou with that.

(52:21):
You know I'll pray for you butI can't help you with that, you
know.
So I'm not a professional, I'mnot an expert, I'm not anything,
but I just hope maybe Now youknow another question I ask
people say do you believeeverything that you share?
Do I believe every story, everypicture is a ghost or a demon?

(52:41):
No, I don't.
But you know I tell spookystories, so I have to kind of
sell it.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You know, I have to set the scene.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Like, yeah, I'm telling a spooky story, but here
it is.
Look at it, believe it, don'tbelieve it, that's up to you.
I think a lot of people I'vehad them message me like do you
really believe that's what thatis?
No, but some people do.
Look at it, decide for yourself.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Did you have you ever ?
Okay, I'm assuming, I'massuming there there are stories
you don't use, right, yeah,okay, okay, yeah, all right.
So, while going through them,has there ever been a story that
you've seen that you dismissedlike right away because of
something in it you just youdidn't want to touch?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
yeah, yeah, I see that pretty regularly.
I mean some things like I said.
You know I've been in lawenforcement for 25 years.
I would say I'm a pretty goodjudge of character for the most
part, and like some people, Iwould say I'm a pretty good
judge of character for the mostpart and some people you can
tell, just I mean, whether theirstory is true or not, you can
tell.

(53:58):
They just tell my story, tellmy story, tell my story, you
know, and their story.
What I look for is people who,even if it's two or three pages,
send me like an in-depth likethis is what happened, here's
what it started.
But some people, just like youknow, one time I got up to pee
and there was a werewolf in mycloset.

(54:19):
You know, just stuff like thatI can't tell that, you know.
But I mean, yeah, some peoplelike you can tell it's people
who suffer from mental you know,um, okay, some things going on
like that.
Then other ones is like they'llsend me pictures Like you see

(54:41):
this ghost, this is the mostreal picture of a demon,
absolutely nothing, or a lensflare.
You know, there'd be like a lensflare and I'm like, yeah, I see
that it's a UFO, I get it, it'sa demon.
But there's some that I'm likeI don't know.
I don't know it's paranormal,but I'll show it to everybody
else.
Let them be the judge.
See what?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
they think.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
But there have been those few there's always a few
that sticks out that I trulybelieve are paranormal, ghost,
demon, whatever you want to callit.
You know something it wasn't alens flare, it wasn't uh, you
know something went on like that.
It was just, like I believe,otherworldly.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
You know going on I was gonna say all these lens
flares, who's doing theirphotography?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
jj abrams yeah, really, and I seriously I can.
You know they'll.
I'm sure you guys have seenthis, but you know people will
zoom in till everything's sopixelated.
They're like, oh, you see thatface, there's a big staring at
you.
And I mean you can sit andstare at anything long enough.
You'll see a face, you know,and so you have to be careful

(55:54):
with that.
A good friend of mine I'm notsure if you guys are familiar
with the TV show ExpeditionBigfoot on Discovery Channel.
No, yeah, it's calledExpedition Bigfoot.
There's like six seasons of itnow.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, I think I've seen it Probably early on.
Yeah, I know what you'retalking about yeah, one of the
guys on there.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
His name's russell acord.
He's a good friend of mine.
I got to know him through myfriend zach, who used to be a
camera guy for russell on thatshow.
Oh nice, and that's one of thethings I see on their fan pages
on like facebook and stuff.
People will take screenshots ofthe things I see on their fan
pages on Facebook and stuff.
People will take screenshots ofthe TV when they're doing an
interview and they'll zoom in towhere it's pixelated.

(56:38):
Oh, there was a Bigfootstanding 15 feet behind you.
You guys didn't even see it.
You know, if you look formonsters, you're going to find
them, but I don't think they'rereally monsters in most cases,
not to say they don't exist, butsometimes, if it's there, you

(56:58):
don't have to search that hardfor it.
Usually it's pretty noticeablemost of the time if it's really
there.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Okay, so you're saying there isn't a Bigfoot.
That's what you're saying isn'ta bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
that's what you're saying.
Well, I'm not, I don't know.
I well, it kind of goes back tomy theory with demons, um,
maybe there is this biological,bipedal, hairy creature who's
just very elusive and superintelligent again, which, if
that's true, is just some kindof primate, very elusiveusive,
very intelligent.
Maybe I've never seen Bigfoot,but I will also say, on the flip

(57:34):
side of that, demons, again,they want attention and I've
heard a lot of these Bigfootguys who say and I'm talking
about PhD doctors, intelligentpeople say they have seen
Bigfoot jump through portals orgo through time warps or

(58:00):
something.
Now, that could be a completelie, dude, could be crazy, I
don't know.
But what I think is the sameprinciple with those demons as
ghosts is maybe there is, maybethere isn't, a real Bigfoot, a
biological flesh and bloodBigfoot.
But I think demons can manifestas Bigfoot, as a dog man, as a

(58:22):
moth man, as a ghost, just toget that attention.
You know, I've often said thatif I start a rumor, this house
is haunted by, you know,one-eyed, one-horned, flying
purple people eater.
Soon enough somebody will seeit.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So I believe Bigfoot, ghost,whatever it is, sooner enough

(58:43):
somebody's going to see thatRight.
But again I will say I feellike the vast majority of all
paranormal encounters can beexplained through science,
through natural things.
But I do know from personalexperience and from what the

(59:05):
Bible teaches.
You know demons are real,demonic activity is real.
Bible teaches you know demonsare real, demonic activity is
real.
So you know you have to look atit through a lens of faith or
at least I do and see does itlook more?
Could it be paranormal?
Or you know something in yourmind, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Okay, so now we kind of went down a rabbit hole and
that's yeah, no, no, that's goodbecause I I want to tell you
this and I want your opinion.
I seen today there was like ameme or whatever, and it was
talking about how, if you dreamof ghosts ghosts right, right,

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they're not ghosts, it'sspiritual warfare at that moment
, meaning like those are demonscoming for me, or whatever, like
.
So I dream about ghosts all thetime.
I do, and my fiancee should oh,she hates that term my queen

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consort.
She'll wake me up becauseshe'll be like you're doing it
again, like I, she what shecalls haunted wailing, because
I'm trying to vocalize what,what I'm seeing or whatever, and
I'm anyway I do that.
She wakes me up and then she'slike, like, were you having one

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of those dreams again?
I'm like, yeah it's, I dream ofghosts all the time.
So, with that theory, I dreamof ghosts all the time is that
I'm I got somebody who wants in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Essentially, well, I believe you know this.
I believe we are what mostpeople don't realize.
We're in a spiritual war,whether we realize it or not.
We pick the side, whether yourealize it or not.
So yeah, I have scary dreams.
I dream about ghosts and thingsfrequently, and maybe that's

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true, maybe it's just ourimagination.
It could be both.
I can honestly say that I'vehad one dream and in the moment
and after I woke up I swore itwas straight from the pits of
hell.
It terrified me, but it wasn'tuntil later that I realized it
was actually from God.

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And I'm talking.
I was a grown man, I wasprobably 26, 27 years old.
I had a dream that scared me sobad that, like I had to get up
and I used to smoke.
And I got up and I sat up therest of the night trying to
smoke, like it terrified me.
And to hear the dream, itdoesn't sound that scary, but

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it's the most terrifying thingI've ever encountered in my life
and the weirdest part about it.
If I tell you the dream itdoesn't sound scary, well, if
you want me to, I'll just tellyou real quick and then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I'll get to it, yeah sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Okay.
So I dreamed and this wasbefore I was married, me and my
wife, my girlfriend at the time.
She came over to my house, we'dwatch some movies and fell
asleep in my bed, right, and wewere laying there and this dream
started.
It was like I was in thisabandoned building with a group

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of friends who I have no ideawho they were, but in the dream
they were my friends like fouror five people, I can remember,
like four or five guys and onegirl, and we were just kind of
goofing off having fun.
And then I remember someonesaying let's play hide and go
seek.
Okay, then I instantly all thelights went off.

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But it's like one of those 80shorror movies where it's dark
but you can see almosteverything.
Is that blue tint, like yeah,that's kind of how it was.
But the moment those lightsturned off, all of my friends
turned into demons, like theygot down on all fours.
Just this creepy maniacallaughter running past me,

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hitting me, and I was terrified,frozen, and as I'm telling this
, I get chills and that's creepy.
But the creepy part startedwhen I came out of the room into
this long hallway.
At the end of this hallway wasone door.
I walked to this door, I walkedthrough it and then I start

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down a spiral staircase intocomplete, total darkness, an
abyss just darker than dark,like these demons were no longer

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chasing me or whatever.
But I was walking on thisspiral staircase into this abyss
, this darkness, and I was likeso terrified I was crying,
calling out to God, all thewhile just going down, going
down, and in that moment Irealized I was going to hell and
I woke up in a sweat, totallyterrified.
I didn't know where I was at.
I didn't know what time it was.
It actually was just like maybe11 pm.

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My girlfriend was asleep but Iinstantly got up, like went to
the bathroom, like splashedwater on my face I still lived
with my mom and dad at the time.
I go to the living room my dad'sgetting ready to go to bed and
I like sit down, I'm shakingsmoking like I lit up a
cigarette.

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And this is how paranoid I was.
He was in the kitchen gettingsomething to drink before he
went to bed and there was alight on, kind of like right
where the kitchen and the livingroom meet, and I told my dad
before he went to bed I saidturn that light on.
That's how scared I was.
I was too scared to sit in thedark.
The TV was on and so I was justlooking at the TV and I seen

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the light come on and I guess hewent on to bed.
Then I turned around a momentlater and he wasn't there and I
started freaking out.
I was like, where'd he go?
I don't even think it waspossible that he could have
turned that light on from wherehe was at Like I'm still in hell
.
So I had to physically get up.
I went over and made sure itwas even physically possible
that he could have turned thelight on from where he was at,

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which it was.
But I mean, it was almost, andit don't sound scary, but it was
traumatizing.
And I was a new Christian, whichis what throwed me off even
more.
I thought this is, oh, this wasstraight from hell.
This was something from youknow, the devil himself.
But it was after a few days of,like, praying about it and
thinking about it.
God revealed to me that wasfrom me, that feeling like I

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cannot put into words, thefeeling like, as I was going
down that spiral staircase everystep, I was getting farther
from God and I could feel it andthat's why I was pleading and
calling out to him in my dream.
God save me, god help me.
And it doesn't sound scary, andI tell people that dream on

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occasions, but that was the mostterrifying thing I've ever
encountered in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
That sounds pretty scary yeah.
You're saying it and I'mpicturing it and I'm like it's
like a fever dream, yeah and Ican easily picture how, if it
happened to me, like if I hadthat dream, yeah I'd be.
I'd wake up terrified too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
No, I was.
It was more terrifying than anyparanormal experience that I've
ever had.
Hands down, it was terrifyingbut it was, I feel like,
necessary.
It was.
God wasn't trying to scare me,just trying to show me that this
, this place, is real, you knowand every step you take away
from me.
The farther you get from me, theharder it is to come back out
of the darkness.
And so it was, I guess I feellike it was kind of it was for

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me, but also to share with otherpeople too, even though I may
fail miserably trying to explainthat, but it was.
If people knew the darknessthat was truly out there, they
would run to God without secondthought.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
For sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
No, I agree with that a hundred percent.
I I'm curious about somethingelse.
Basically, I want to know ifyou've ever done a video, read a
story and regretted doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I have read some stories that people shared and
seen a few pictures that made mefeel very uneasy.
Yeah, um, some of those, I likeI would never show nothing
graphic or you know bad or youknow, or dangerous or anything

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like that.
But uh, yep, there's beenpeople who shared stories with
me, especially that, well, evenfrom people who claim to be in
their cult.
Those people, like I had thisone guy who I don't know if he

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was a Satanist just kept sendingme these random pictures of, I
guess, kind of like his altarand stuff Like fire and just all
this weird stuff, telling me tolook at the faces, and he was
just talking about these namingthese demons and that, yeah, I
didn't share none of that stuff,like I didn't.

(01:08:49):
Just, yeah, you could tell when,like when you're in something
that you shouldn't be or likeyou know, a lot of people think
I talk about demons trying toglorify them.
I'm just talking about them,trying to shed light on them.
You know I don't try to, youknow, put them on a pedestal.
I'm just trying like, hey, yeah, they're real.
You know, open your eyes, thesethings are out there.
But I would never intentionallytry to do anything to glorify

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them or darkness or anythinglike that.
You know, but the ones therehave been a few, but that one
guy I can't remember his name.
I'm sure I deleted those emails, but he was sending me pictures
of his altar and talking aboutthese.
I guess they were demons.
He was naming them and he'slike look in the flames, you can

(01:09:33):
see their face.
And yeah, we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
That's good.
That's good looking out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, I mean most people like that.
I'll say Jesus loves you, Irecommend him to you.
Have a good day.
But yeah, I get a lot of hate.
You know which I'm sure I heardyou guys talking about.
Anytime you put yourself outthere, dude, you get so much
hate, so much negative stuff,which is fine.
Like I don't get offended.

(01:10:02):
I, you know, I'd rather letpeople talk about me so they'll
leave other people alone.
You know that's fine.
And a lot of people you knowsay well, why don't you take up
for God more?
Like, well, I do, but you knowGod don't need me to take up for
him.
You know God's well capable,you know taking care of himself.
But you know, when I feel likethere's, I hold back a lot.

(01:10:26):
You know, I'm sure, I'm sure'msure you guys too, you'll get
comments or emails or messagesvery negative, very offensive,
and most of the time I hold backpretty well, you know, I say
just have a blessed day.
You know jesus loves you.
But every now and then I letone slip out there.
You know, not today, today'snot the day for that, you know.

(01:10:47):
Yeah, far as TikTok isconcerned, I welcome all the
trolls Every time they comment.
That just pushes me into thealgorithm more.
So I'm like bring it on.
Bring it on All the good, badugly.
What's happening, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Every time you comment on my ridiculous video,
you make me money, so keep thisRight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Oh gosh, that's a good point.
Yeah, it actually brings me toa pretty good point.
I want to know you know if, uh,what video of yours got you the
most?
You know heat, like what's onevideo that you did that people
just like crapped on or justabsolutely were infuriated.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
You did it take your pick any of them.
Honestly, that's dude.
Honestly, seriously.
I don't know if you go to anyof my video, especially viral
videos.
You know when I say viral, Imean a million plus views right
right well, obviously, when yougot a video with that many views
, it's sent out to a lot ofpeople, millions of people, so

(01:11:58):
you're going to get more hate,obviously.
And yeah, I mean the good andbad.
You get a lot of good stuff.
But you know, I done oneactually just a few days ago and
I think people justmisinterpreted what I was saying
.
I've noticed a lot of negativecomments.
I don't know if you guys seenit, but it was big on TikTok for
a few days where someanthropologist said he found the

(01:12:20):
remains of Jesus in a pyramid.
Okay, so of course I don'tbelieve that.
you know, jesus resurrected andascended to heaven yep so, but
there is a scripture I believeit's in the book of matthew, and
I quoted the scripture wherejesus was telling his disciples
you know, people are going tosay they're going to find me in

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the desert, and yep.
So I would say like prophecybeing fulfilled.
You know, somebody said they tofind me in the desert and yep.
So I was saying like prophecybeing fulfilled.
You know, somebody said theyfound jesus in the desert.
But we know jesus ascended toheaven.
But this is still prophecybeing fulfilled and people's
like what's wrong with you?
You're stupid.
Jesus is in heaven.
I'm like did you listen to thevideo?
That's literally what I said.

(01:13:02):
I never said he was in a tomb,in a pyramid.
I said he is in a tomb.
But Jesus told his disciples inthe book of Matthew that people
would claim to have found himin the desert.
Yep.
So I mean, you get a lot ofthat.
People just hear what they wantto hear and then they're
already.
You know attack mode.
Well, you know the Bible saysthis.
I'm like well, yeah, that'swhat I said.

(01:13:23):
If you had listened you wouldhave caught that.
And uh, and you know, you gotall those keyboard warriors.
You know people.
You know you need to do yourvideos this way, I would watch,
I would follow you.
If you done it this way, I'mlike well, bye, I keep scrolling
, I'll do it the way I want todo it.
If you don't like it, keepgoing.
That's fine.
You know, you do yours how youlike it.
Not that I'm perfect, but Ihave a way I do things and

(01:13:46):
that's just why I do it.
You know, um, but yeah, they'rejust like so many I mean, I'm
sure, like you guys too, I seestuff on tiktok or instagram,
facebook that I don't like oragree with.
I just keep scrolling.
I keep scrolling.
You know, if I don't like it, Imove on.
But, like, some people are justso bitter and I just, I don't

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know, full of anger and again,that's fine, you know.
You know, let me have it,you'll leave somebody else on, I
can handle it.
You know I'm a big boy, sothat's okay that's.
That's pretty awesome and youknow, I was always told, you
know, god gave me these broadshoulders so I can take that
stuff on you know that's right,yeah, so but you know too and

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this is true if you've everlooked at 99.9 of all, for
instance, bigfoot or even ghostvideos, they're always look like
they were filmed from a 1980model Nokia.
You know how's that possible?
Yeah, you know and I would saythis most times, probably fake,
I'm sure, yeah, but you know, Idon't know.

(01:14:53):
If it's an older video thenobviously it's going to look
older compared to, you know, theiPhone 16.
You know it looks different in1998 as opposed to now.
So you know I get a lot of hate.
It don't matter what you do,people's gonna hate on it.
Some people enjoy it, somepeople don't.
So you can't make everybodyhappy what's your favorite video

(01:15:18):
?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
you've done good question I guess some people say
I do that every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Not many, but well, I mean, I guess the one that made
me the most money is not theanswer you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
But well, that's a lot of people's favorite, I can
see, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
I'll tell you when my TikTok started really blowing
up.
Where are you guys from?
Let me ask that Minnesota haveyou ever been to the Smoky
Mountains like Tennessee, NorthCarolina.
Georgia close Gatlinburg PigeonForge, part of the Smoky
Mountains, which is part of theAppalachian Mountains, but I was

(01:16:03):
there about 3 or 4 weeks agowith my family.
Forge, it's part of the SmokyMountains, which is part of the
Appalachian Mountains.
Alright, I was there aboutthree or four weeks ago with my
family.
It's one of my favorite placesin the world.
I mean, it's very touristy,it's very expensive, but I just
love it there and it's thenumber one.
It's the most visited nationalpark in America Smoky Mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Oh wow, Very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
But you park in america, smoky mountains, oh wow
, very cool.
But you know, so I got tothinking one day.
I was like you know, ifeverybody goes to the smoky
mountains, that means there'sprobably a lot of people looking
for smoky mountain content.
So I started doing someresearch haunted places in smoky
mountains, a lot of bigfootstuff, a lot of dog man, a lot
of haunted hotels and hauntedcabins and airbnbs.
And when, when I started that,it took off big time.

(01:16:49):
And I'll tell you something elsethat's very interesting.
I mean, it's not just theSmokies, but it's a big thing is
feral people F-E-R-A-L.
Feral people.
It's supposed to be a big thingin Smoky Mountains.
A lot of those videos I foundvery interesting because I had
never really researched thatbefore, but it's pretty
interesting, you know.

(01:17:09):
So a lot of those videos out ofthat area really mean a lot to
me because I love the area somuch.
But, dude, you know like I'veliterally I don't know how many
TikToks I have over a thousand,so it's hard for you know,
there's always those few thatstand out Right, but I really

(01:17:31):
enjoy the ones about that area,um, because it's kind of near
and dear to my family, you know.
Uh, we enjoy going there a lot,so, um, yeah, it took me a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
I was like, oh, smoky mountain, there's smoky
mountain wrestling.
Back in the 90s jim cornettehad that yeah, yeah, chip
cornette, that's been a minute.
It took me a second yeah, umwow yeah so overall with your
page, I mean obviously I I don'tthink you regret it putting it

(01:18:08):
out there, but I mean, are youhappy with it where it's at, or
do you want more?

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Well, I mean, we always want more, don't we?
I mean, I would be lying if Isaid yeah, I mean obviously, as
a content creator, we alwayswant more, don't we?
Um, I mean, I would be lying ifI said yeah, I mean obviously,
as a content creator, you wantmore.
I mean, sure, I make money andthat's all good, it's been a
blessing to me and my family,but you know, I enjoy what I do.
I would, if I didn't make money, I would still do it, you know
I I believe in what'm doing.

(01:18:42):
I believe in the message thatI'm putting out there.
So if I didn't make a pennyfrom it, I would still do it.
And I'm actually in the earlyphases of launching YouTube,
where I do long form contentlike investigate, paranormal
investigations, um things likethat.
And you guys are from Minnesota.

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Do you know who Project Fear is?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
I've heard no.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Well, it used to be Destination Fear.
They had their own.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
TV show yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
They're now Project Fear.
Destination Fear was canceledand they took it to youtube
under a project figure oh wow.
But you know those guys are.
I really enjoy those guys andthey actually follow me on
tiktok and nice.
We've been, I wouldn't say, ina lot of hardcore talk but you
know, I think maybe eventuallywe may hopefully collab at some

(01:19:42):
point, do something.
They're doing really well onyoutube now, but I've been in
talks with a lot of kind ofbigger name people and I hope
once I get youtube, youtube's awhole nother beast in its own.
So you know, it's just I'vebeen mentally preparing and
getting some equipment togetherbecause that stuff, you know, as

(01:20:02):
you guys know, isn't cheapcameras and all that stuff.
So so I hope to have that goingsoon.
And my instagram I've been veryblessed with it.
It's actually starting to takeoff pretty well.
I've had it for almost as longas tiktok but I didn't really
use it right.
Every now and then I would justpost randomly.

(01:20:23):
But back in march I just, likeyou know a lot of crap, I just
started uploading my tiktoks tomy reels on instagram yep and it
.
I think I'm now at 38 000followers.
I've unlocked all themonetization things on instagram
wow I've even had, you know,some bigger name people

(01:20:43):
actresses follow me, so it'sbeen a blessing.
I think Instagram is kind ofmore mainstream, where you have
which.
Again, I'm not doing it to befamous or rich I'm never going
to be rich or famous because ofit but at least know my voice.
People are hearing what I'msaying.
Going to be rich or famousbecause of it, but at least know

(01:21:04):
my voice.
People are hearing what I'msaying.
Whether they do anything withit or not, I'm at least putting
it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yes, you are.
That's badass.
I love this stuff.
Like I said, I was a fan beforeand I just kind of like, hey,
why not send you an email?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
And you're like yeah, dude, I'll do it, and I was
like what?
No, dude, I appreciate it.
I enjoy, uh, talking tolike-minded people and uh, you
know you get people like mevoice.
You know doing this.
So I'm very appreciative foryou guys having me on here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
It's, it's pretty, it's pretty awesome.
Uh, everybody that's out there.
Well, I mean, I was going topump your page, but you might as
well do it Like why don't youtell everybody where, literally
where, they can find you, eventhough the show is about your
TikTok page?
But anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Um, it's just the supernatural sleuth.
Yeah, tiktok Instagram, youtube.
Uh, I even have Twitter or X Iguess now I don't use it very
much at all, but TikTokInstagram and I'm doing some
YouTube shorts.
It's all the SupernaturalSleuth All together, no spaces.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
You type that in, you'll find me and would uh
appreciate any follow that youguys have you know, and we would
appreciate you telling them,your, your followers, your
almost half a million followersto maybe you know, come over
here oh definitely yeah comeover here?

(01:22:47):
Oh, definitely, yeah.
Yeah, you know we could use alittle piece of that here's what
I tell everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
I was like if I can have a little bit of success on
tiktok which don't get me wrong,I know I'm still a very small
fish in a very big pond but if Ican do it, anybody can.
It's not obviously it ain'tabout being pretty, or else I
wouldn't.
But you know, consistency,TikTok, Knowing the right times
to post and being consistent,you know everybody lives in them

(01:23:12):
.
200 to 300 views, the firstlittle bit.
It don't matter what you, youknow I think most people start
TikTok they have oh, this is aviral idea.
I know I'm going to get 10million views and they get 150.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
It don't work that way.
You know TikTok is a business.
They want people who are goingto be consistent.
They're going to fight throughthe hard times, the 200 views.
You keep busting them out.
You keep posting.
Sooner or later they're goingto start.
It's a business.
They want people who's going tokeep people on the app.
That's how they make money.
So they're looking for.
They're looking for people who'sgoing to pump out content, and

(01:23:48):
you know, that's what everybodytold me and I thought, oh, you
guys are crazy, but it's true,you know.
And learning those key times topost, you know that that helps
and um, but consistency is thebiggest thing, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Is it?
Is it okay, it okay.
So you know, we, we have a ticktock, scolari state and you
know we said that.
But I I don't post the wholebecause it gets frustrating,
right.
Like, yeah, you put stuff outthere and it's not like I'm
putting out wonderful content,hear me out, I'm not.
I'm not like doing skits ortelling stories or anything on
there.
Maybe I should start doing that.

(01:24:29):
But I'm mostly promoting ourshow, this show.
But, it's super frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
It is.
Yeah, I came very close toquitting a few times, but I will
say, in the grand scheme ofthings, I became monetized
probably quicker than a lot ofpeople.
Like I said, I started in April, april 26,.
I posted my first TikTok by themiddle, the end of August.
I was monetized, which you haveto have 10,000 followers and

(01:25:04):
100,000 hours of watch timecombined and I thought if you
get one you'll never get theother.
But when one came, the otherone shortly followed and so it's
it's one video can put you overthe top to get that.
Um, but knowing the key timesto post and it does vary a

(01:25:24):
little bit depending on yourniche, but I will say, if you
did not post any other time,post Monday, tuesday, wednesday,
maybe Thursday around 10, 10.30am, 99.9% of every viral video
I've ever had, that's when I'vehad it and you know I thought it

(01:25:47):
would be nighttime.
Everybody's at home scrolling,which that's true, but just
about every video I've had goviral Monday, tuesday, wednesday
, a few on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Well, if you think about that, you know time
zone-wise, that's on the otherside of the world, it's it's
peak time right over there.
Yeah, so I mean I, I could seeit.
And then by the time it comesaround for you know the next,
the numbers come in for theafternoons or whatever in the US

(01:26:23):
or North America.
Then you're way up there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know, there's, I guess, a few factors
that determine that, but forwhatever reason, that time
between 10 to 10.15 am, easterntime, my time, anyway, those are
the viral, viral times.
And, um, you know, I, I again.

(01:26:49):
I thought it would be seven,eight, nine, ten pm, you know,
it's just not how it works, atleast for me, and I think it's.
That's pretty true across theboard, I think.
On on TikTok.
You know TikTok is veryfractious.
The algorithm shifts in TikTokcan like be very humbling.

(01:27:14):
I probably catch some heat overthis, I'll say it, but if
TikTok had a gender, it'd be awoman, because it's very moody.
It's the type of way I mean, Iknow I'll catch some heat over
that, but it's like my wife.
Well, I mean, I know I'll catchsome heat over that, but it's
true, like you, when you figureout one algorithm shift and you
kind of get like, okay, I knowwhat they want, they'll switch
it up again, it's like theycan't make their mind up.

(01:27:35):
You know they're looking forthis right now.
You know two months from nowthey're going to look for this,
and so it's kind of a hardprocess all back over.
Those times kind of stays.
True, but, like now, they don'tlike green screen video.
I used to a lot of green screenvideo and so I can't do that
anymore.
At least I can't do it and bemonetized.

(01:27:55):
You know, that's one thingpeople say, and it's true.
They're like you talk too much.
Well, in order for me to makemoney on a tiktok, they have to
be over a minute long.
I could, yeah, I could tell mystory a lot quicker and show the
picture or video, but if Iwon't make money on it, it has
to be over a minute long.
So, yeah, I draw it outintentionally.

(01:28:17):
I don't try to overdo it, but,like you know, I try to tell the
backstory if there is one, andyou know I don't intentionally
try to make people suffer, butaccording to some of them I do
but um, but there's a lot ofthings that you know, I people,
I guess just don't understand,and I get that.
You know tiktok's a face pastapp.

(01:28:39):
You know people's you know you,it's hard to keep attention
spans, but every now and thenyou get lucky and one hits, and
it's worth it sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Well, I mean, you seem to have no problem with it.
Me, on the other hand, I don'tknow.
I don't think Frank thomascouldn't hit dw.
You have anything for?
Uh, for brandon?

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
no, this has been.
Uh, this has been great it has,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
So okay, well, we come to the time of the show
that is my favorite time andthat's this or that, and
basically we're just going toask you a question.
You have two answers,essentially, you just pick which
one this or that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
All right, cool, I love this and I know this is
probably a bad DW.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Do you have the this or that?
This week Is it my turn.
You know, it is All right, okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Would you rather fly or drive?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Oh Drive.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Okay, In the car are you going to be listening to
Mozart or Zeppelin?

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Zeppelin.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
I kind of had a feeling yeah, clue, or Monopoly,
monopoly.
Oh okay, if you were ghosthunting, would you rather do it
with the Ghostbusters orScooby-Doo and the gang?

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Good question.
I'm going to go with Scooby-Dooand the gang.
I always kind of liked Daphnewhen I was a kid, so you know,
got to go where my heart is Allright, you've perfected your
time machine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Do you go back to 1825 or forward to 2225?

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Back, go back in time .

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Okay.
Does the toilet paper go overthe roll or under?

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Don't get me started on this Over.
There is no other way Over.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Elephant-sized squirrel, or squirrel-sized
elephant.
Oh, I'd kind of see anelephant-sized squirrel.
To be honest, elephant sizedsquirrel, or squirrel sized
elephant?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
oh, I'd kind of see an elephant sized squirrel, to
be honest okay, chicken pox orpoison ivy oh, poison ivy, I
believe okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Do you want to stream your music or vinyl records?

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
I am a sucker for nostalgia, but I'm more about
convenience in my old age.
Do you want to stream yourmusic or vinyl records?
I am a sucker for nostalgia,but I'm more about convenience
in my old age.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Let's stream it.
I felt you so badly.
You wanted to say vinyl.
I did, I really did All right,two more Dogs or cats.
Dogs Okay, I have both, butdogs oh okay, all right, last
one, unless John wants to throwin a couple of his breakfast

(01:31:57):
questions or something, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Well, maybe not the breakfast question, but maybe I
have a question for him on TVcomedy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
So okay, well, alright, alright, so I'll ask
him Simpsons or the Office?

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
oh, I was.
I watched the very firstSimpsons when it aired the very
first pilot episode.
But I will have to say now the.
Office.
I'm a that hard office fansince when it aired the very
first pilot episode.
But.
But I will have to say now, theoffice, the office, I mean that
hard office phone all right umthe office or parks and rec.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
The office still the office.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I know it's his question, but I have to
interject here for a secondparks and parks and rec I.
I didn't.
Unfortunately I was.
I'm Parks and Rec, I didn't.
Unfortunately I'm that guy.
I didn't watch it when it firstaired, right so now I'm
watching it and I dig it.
It's office-like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Right, I didn't watch the Office until it was over
either.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I didn't start Parks and rec until after it was
over and I started, um, thething is, I started like season
two or three, okay, and I waslike, wait a second, this is
really good we got to go backand start this from the
beginning, because now I gottafigure out how they got here,

(01:33:21):
and I do do feel like season one.
They were more office-like thanlater they kind of changed
things a little bit.
Anyway, we don't have time forthat.
We could spend the wholeepisode talking about the
officer Parks and Rec.
Last one John Olsen or OJSimpson, ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
What do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
He already won.
I mean, I'm just saying justthe fact that you hesitated that
damn long and then you startedlaughing.
I'm like he already got what hewanted.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Hang on, let's give him a chance to answer, because
this can only make it better.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Well, you know, again , like I said, I'm all about
nostalgia and this really tellsmy age.
You know I did.
I watched the OJ chase, youknow on live in the white Bronco
.
Okay, so fast forward to amonth ago when I was in Pigeon
Forge, the Smoky Mountains.
They have an Alcatraz CrimeMuseum.
Oh and behold what's sitting inthe Crime Museum.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Oh, the White.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Bronco.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
So you know I'll have OJ.
You know I'm a sucker fornostalgia.
You know I got to Okay and Igot to see the infamous White
Bronco.
So that's just kind of like avery twisted bucket list thing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Okay, fair enough, it's okay.
I mean he wasn't convicted, butwe all know he did it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
If the love don't fit , you must quit.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, yeah, we all know.
Yeah, he did it Just pickingthe murderer over me, and that's
cool.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Whatever?
That's awesome, I appreciatethat if you ever, if your car is
ever in a museum, I'll be sureto go see it and then then I may
change my answer the only waymy car is ever going to be in
the museum is it's the one nextto the car timothy mVeigh used.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I don't know.
It would be a horrible tragedythat I didn't do but my car was
adjacent to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Well, you know they also had Ted Bundy's Volkswagen
in there too, so I'll look forthe John Olsen Did they have?

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Isn't the car that Tupac got shot in?
Isn't that on display somewhere?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
I'm sure probably it isn't there, but Not in the same
one, okay, no, which I thinkthose.
They move them periodically, soI don't know if it's a
permanent attraction.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
So it's kind of a well, because that one, I think,
still has the, the bullet holesyeah, yeah, oh, I'm sure, yeah,
no doubt so maybe, john, if youwant to shoot your car, that
might make it a little bit morevaluable absolutely the way it's
going with the emails aregetting later.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
shooting the car, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Welcome to social media.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
I guess Was that the last one, dw, that was the last.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
We always end with John Olsen, so I can feel better
about myself.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
That's how that is.
Brandon this was awesome.
I really appreciate you comingon telling us everything about
your page and and much more.
I do really appreciate it well,I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
It's been a blast and , uh, it's been a blessing for
me and thanks for having me andI'll definitely be telling my
folks about you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
That's awesome.
We appreciate it Absolutely.
Alright, DW.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
That's a wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
You know what that means.
You know what that means DW.
I know what that means.
It means that you guys havebeen amazing, we have been
scolarius and we are out later.

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