Ep. 85 Are All Ghosts Really Ghosts?: Bob Lement

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks for watching what's going on.

(00:31):
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen, and with me, as always,
is dew the disabled.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Wishawashill serene how was that?
Was that better?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
and no, not really.
It's not really, it's not, Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's right up against the mic, you ready Hold on.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, yours wasn't as good, okay, yeah, what are you
drinking?
Cider boys.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, I've got a few more of the Wild State, so this
is Wild State Classic Dry.
I've got a few more of the wildstate, so this is wild state
classic dry.
And this is just a regular, uh,very dry, uh, not too sweet, no
extra flavor cider.
So not not not saying it's bad.
I you know, I've just got, youknow, hula dancer or whatever,
uh, ciders to but um, but I'vegot a few more random wild state

(01:26):
ones that I have to finish up.
Here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am drinking a sparkling ice water, starburst
strawberry flavored, not bad.
What's going on in the house ofSerene Serene Manor?
Not much.
What's going on in the?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
uh, in the house of serene, serene manner, not much.
What's going on in casa debetrothed?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
uh, a lot.
There's a lot of stuff going on, but you know, it's, it's, it's
, it is what it is.
We just kind of yeah, I don'tknow just kind of keep moving
and shaking.
I do a little bit of uh, Idon't know if it's a warning.
I don't think it's a warning,but I did ingest some gummies

(02:15):
and these gummies were extrapotty.
So, yeah, this might be a wildride.
That's all I'm saying.
You never know All'm saying younever know all right, you never
know, uh, dw, there's uh, Idon't know what to say.

(02:36):
Okay, so first of all let'sjust say this you know, last
week we uh, we kind of got, wewere the supernatural sleuth was
on here and it's badass awesomeand we were, you know, did all
the talking and everything andand he is, uh, quite the badass.
But I want to, I want to bringit up with you because I like

(02:57):
your take on this, um, becauseyou've been doing this for a
long time.
You know with with me.
You know 88 or somethingepisodes here now.
So, um, probably not really,but whatever.
And you know, you, you were, youwere in the ministry, youth
ministry, when you were younger.
Uh, you are a devout, uh,churchgoer.

(03:22):
You, you do all the good stuff,uh, you talk to jc above, do
all the good stuff there.
And I just need to know, likewe haven't really dug into this
at all in our any of ourconversations on scolarius, like
the thoughts of our ghosts areold, all ghosts with the

(03:46):
exception of, with the exceptionof, like residual energy, in
your opinion, are all thosedemons?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I don't think so.
Okay, but that.
But that that's an, I mean it'sa We've had.
So Our guest last week that washis stance was basically all
ghosts are demonic, yeah, but wehave had other guests who

(04:18):
specifically said not all ghostsare demonic, right, and so it
was a difference of opinion thatsome people feel, you know,
every ghost has a evil intentionor whatever you want to call it
.
But some people have just saidthat they're.

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Well, we had, um, that uh mediumwho helped people get to the
other side, and so she said thatyou know, some people would not
even realize that they're goneand would help them move over.

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So it's, I mean it's, it'sgoing to be a topic of debate.
It's hard to define or to proveone way or the other, right,

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but yeah, I mean it's been.
I mean, religion has kind ofcome up and some people have
hinted at their beliefs one wayor the other, but it almost kind

(05:41):
of seems I think this was kindof the first time that someone
mentioned biblical referencesand stuff like that but and
talked about them both soclosely together.
Usually it seems like it's beenkind of one or the other like
they're, they're separate.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, you know, um, you know I, I've been starting
to get a lot closer with, uh,with JC upstairs and everything
and uh, you know, going throughthings and reading scripture and
stuff like that, and I mean II'm not, you know, I'm not a
scholar, I can't go throughevery.

(06:11):
You know I I do read quite abit of scripture, so I can't
remember exactly which one, butI mean there, there is a verse
in there.
Basically it says you know, thedead do not speak.
So I mean there's that, I meanthat's in the bible there, you
know.
So, um, so that that's goesagainst.
You know the whole like well,they're here and you know

(06:33):
whatever.
No, they're here, they're gone,you know whatever you know, I, I
, uh, I agree with him in somethings and you know, and uh,
he's a good guy and Iappreciated talking to him and
uh, it was, it was a lot of funactually, uh, and plus, he was a
cop man, so can't can'tdisagree with cops.
You get tickets.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's what happens well, and he he kind of alluded
to.
You see what you want and youcan make anything seem like it

(07:16):
supports your Thinking.
So, in other words, you see ashadow pass by, you can believe
it's a ghost because you want tobelieve it's a ghost.
But it could just be a car thatdrove by and its headlights
went by the window or somethinglike that.
And and part of why I broughtthat up is we kind of we brushed
on bigfoot and if you look atsome of the evidence people have

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for bigfoot, it's kind of thesame way.
It's like look at this uh, uhfootprint in the ground.
It's not the shape of any knownanimal.
It must be from bigfoot.
Well, you didn't see whateverput that in the ground.
Who's to say it wasn't someonewith a little shovel.
that said, wouldn't be cool if Imade a imprint that looked like

(08:01):
bigfoot and had someone believeit's infoot?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
With the exception of the Patterson Gimli film, which
shows Chewbacca walking throughthe stream.
There.
You know, but then again,exactly, I just made the joke
Chewbacca because Chewbacca wasa man in a suit.
So you know, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And also and that's the other thing he pointed out
that you don't know.
And also he and that's theother thing he pointed out that,
like we don't have high defvideo of this, it seems like
every picture or video is grainyand and from the 1980s.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's a bigfoot.
I mean, that's a.
That's a mitch heberg joke, bythe way, yeah I think bigfoot is
blurry.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think my foot is blurry yeah, so that's stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
But yeah, I don't know, man, I just wanted to uh
kind of get because, like I said, you, you know, I never really
ask you.
You know, we do this paranormalshow like what's it do on your
beliefs, or you do you hold, youhold up a wall and you're like
you know, whatever you, becausewe discussed it with him too,
like where he was with hisrelationship with god and then

(09:07):
still doing the paranormal rightand he's like, uh, you know he
struggled with it or you knowand whatnot, and I guess with
you, like, where you obviouslykeep it very separated.
So that wall must be prettywell, I think it's.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's no different than just the paranormal subject
matter in general, wheresomeone can say I saw a ghost
and this is my proof, and blah,blah, blah.
And I can hear it and think,well, I don't know for sure if
that's what happened.
You know, and you know lookingat their evidence, or hearing
their evidence, and not agreeingwith it.

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In the same way, someone cansay I believe that you know, all
ghosts are such and such, or Ibelieve that all spirits are
this or whatever.
I can hear it and go OK, I hearwhat you're saying, but I don't
agree with you or I don't thinkit happened, because of
whatever reason.
So I mean, it's the same thingas you saw a ghost, you saw a

(10:07):
Bigfoot, you saw whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Mothman.
We're going to do a show onMothman one of these days.
It'll be a date like a week.
We don't have a guest, andit'll be me and you and we'll
talk about Mothman and probablythe movie too.
Mothman Prophecies.
Whatever, we always makesomething fun.
It's good.
That's what we do.
I do want to let you know thatI have not received any hate

(10:33):
mail this week.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, still trying, but no, nothing this week.
Nothing this week.
But if they wanted to send hatemail, they need to know where
to find us, so I figured I wouldlet them know.
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We're not a couple.

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No, we're not a couple.
We're on the Scolarius page.
There we also have a TikTok.
It's called Scolarius8.
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(11:24):
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You to email me something nice,please, it would be great.
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While they're doing that, dw,I'm assuming they're sitting
there thinking, man, I need somecool like swag for the summer,
you think?
Maybe, yeah, and they want coolswag for the summer.

(12:11):
I just want to let you knowthat.
You know, I me one half of thecogos, the better half, um, I am
deciding, or at least puttingup on, crowd made, some summer
swag gear, you know oh, okaytank tops, some sunglasses, you
know whatever.
If you want scolariussunglasses, you get those at

(12:32):
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Forward slash collections,forward slash scolarius pod, or
you could just dw tell them oryou can just go to crowd made
and search for scolarius andthen that's going to bring us to
all the fun stuff.
You know the t-shirts.
Your favorite t-shirt oh,cripers.
That's on there.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
No no no, my favorite is I have no idea who John
Olson is.
That's my favorite.
I don't say Cripers, but if youwant a shirt that says Cripers,
you can have a shirt that has aI don't say Kripers.
But if you want a shirt thatsays Kripers, you can have a
shirt that has a phrase I don'tuse.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, pretty much you could, or you can get the.
I have no idea who John Olsenis.
That one's obviously prettypopular.
You know we have ghosters.
That's ghosters.
Yeah, we don't have coasters.
We don't sell coasters at ourswag shop.
We also have a pet bowl.

(13:28):
We have leashes and collars foryour pets.
You know, it could be for a dog, could be for a cat, could be a
ferret what?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, don't say it, don't say what.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It could also be for your significant other Son of a
biscuit.
Anyway, if you want to getfreaky and have Sclerius gear
while you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Here's the thing Go ahead.
If you want to do that, goahead're doing it.
Here's the thing.
Okay, go ahead.
Alright, if you want to do that, go ahead and buy it.
If you do, please don't tell us.
I don't think we'll ever beable to look at that stuff the
same way again.
I cannot like I'll havenightmares of someone with a
Scalarius leash wearing the oldKriper shirt, and then the

(14:25):
person says I have no idea whoJohn Olsen is if they were
wearing the hellhounds collar,whatever.

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Dw, we have a guest this week.
Do you know that?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, and this guest is a fellow podcaster and, I got
to be honest, pretty dang funny.
He has been doing this forquite a while.
He is the host of static radio,the static radio podcast, where
you can find you can get thatbasically anywhere, and, um,
he's located in, uh well, stlouis, missouri, but don't hold

(15:20):
that against me, ladies andgentlemen.
Welcome, Bob LeMant.
Bob.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Hey, how's everybody doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
We're doing good.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I wanted to tell you I'm here to assuage all of your
doubts about everything you justwere talking about.
Yes, there's a Bigfoot.
Yes, there's a Mothman.
No, all ghosts aren't demonsand even all ghosts aren't
ghosts, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
That's an interesting thing.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Thank you very much, everyone.
Good night, I will see you onthe next show.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Wow, that was quick.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Hang on, though.
I want you to elaborate.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, you need to elaborate which one.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
All ghosts are not ghosts.
Explain that one.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, I mean, I think it's a nice simple phrase All
ghosts are not ghosts.
I mean, some of them aresomething else.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So what are they then , if they're not a goat?

Speaker 3 (16:24):
We don't know.
I mean we don't know exactlywhat everything is.
That's the great thing aboutthe world, is you know?
Everybody wants to categorize.
We're all a bunch of catalogers.
We think we are and we're notvery good at it.
Let's be honest, even the bestcatalogers don't know everything

(16:44):
, and so we just start throwingthem into categories when we
can't think of what they are,and so we're like, oh, that's a
ghost.
And like, well, hey, hold on asecond, maybe it's not a ghost.
We don't.
We don't know what it is.
You can't even define what aghost is, so how are you
throwing so many things in theghost category?
Okay?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
yeah, I mean the bigfoot thing's a little easier.
It's a hairy bipedal thing outin the woods typically.
It usually isn't in the city umthat you know pretty good
categorization on that one right, um, mothman, flying entity,
although mothman's a little morevague because there's lots of

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flying entities that aren'tmothman.
So but people like to throw itin, you know, and actually
people don't lump the mothmancategory too heavily like they
do the ghost category.
So then the ghost is acatch-all.
Right, there's, oh, it's just aghost, I saw her a ghost well,

(17:46):
okay.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
So you brought a mothman and you said you know,
mothman, there's plenty ofentities, but mothman is in west
.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, it's west virginia, that's in chicago, in
chicago recently what in thegreatest look it up in chicago
within the last five years,Mothman.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh, wow, yeah, I was talking about the most famous
incident, the one where he gotthe name Mothman correct.
Yeah, so you know I'm thinkingwhat it's the Appalachian
Mountains.
I mean, everything happensthere.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I've been to where the Mothman existed or exists,
we don't know for sure.
I've been to the TNT area wherehe lived, where he came from,
where he was spawned Perhaps, wedon't know.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And it's a pretty cool area, by the way, if you
get a chance to go.
I mean, there's not a whole lotgoing on there, but the Mothman
stuff's there so you can gocheck it out.
It's an old world war iimunitions uh depot that's
defunct and now nature it'sbecome a nature preserve.
But a lot of the, the uh, thebunkers that held ammunition

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that was made for World War IIare still there and a lot of
toxic chemicals apparently arestill there, as well as some of
the old buildings and so forth.
But no, the Mothman is one ofthose things that was fairly
well documented and so kind oflike Bigfoot in a way.
It's, you know, got someprovenance with people other

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than you know, got someprovenance with people other
than you know, jokesters andhoaxsters and goofy people.
I mean there's law enforcementand journalists and all kinds of
people involved in both ofthose things.
Right, ghost is a little harderto pen down.
Ghost is very broad, right, andso you know, and there's so

(19:44):
everybody wants to the chancesof you seeing mothman or bigfoot
.
You have to be in a certainarea, typically, right.
Yeah, ghost, you could beanywhere, they say and so it's.
It's probably one of the mostyou know, hoaxed situations, and

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so we have.
There's so much clutter in theghostosphere out there that it's
really hard to tell, right.
So all you have to go on ispeople's personal experiences.
For the most part.
We do have some pictures hereand there, and you know, uh, and
now, at this point in time, tobe honest with you, we are at a
stage in history where youcannot believe anything because,

(20:29):
it's too easily faked yes notonly faked, but faked really
well and yeah, so you can't thebelief.
you know.
Show me a picture, show me a avideo, show me whatever out the
window Doesn't matter,immaterial.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, that's great.
Own two eyes, Otherwise nah.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right, yeah, or some kind of specimen, right,
Something like that.
So, yeah, I mean, that's wherewe're at now and so,
unfortunately, the ghost thingis really you know out there now
and so, unfortunately, theghost thing is is really you
know out there and I am of the.
So I'll get a little deeper inthe ghost thing for you, because
I I can.
I can tell by looking at johnhe is just chomping at the bit

(21:11):
for me to go into this area fora little more and he's he's
drinking this strawberry icewater.
It's just driving.
He's got a thirst for it here.
So I am of the thought on theghost subject that we don't know
exactly what they are and so Idon't necessarily think they're

(21:34):
dead people.
I don't think they're.
You know all the traditional,any traditional thing you think
of demon, dead person, angel,devil, whatever you want to put
upon it.
I don't think that ghosts arethat.
As far as we know, ghosts arealiens.
They could be.
We don't understand aliens andpeople see aliens, so couldn't

(21:58):
ghosts also be aliens and justdon't have to have a ship?
Maybe they're interdimensionalbeings?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know I was sitting there thinking I was
like man.
You know there's a possibilityhe could go deep and if he goes
deep, the multiverse, likemultidimensional, could be Maybe
.
Maybe People living congruentlives like at the same exact
time, and sometimes they mightslip, or whatever maybe they're

(22:27):
energy beans and just not a lotof them.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean, if you, you know here's one of the things, I
don't know if I'm going to getyou guys with this a little bit
I always tell people, if youknow, you talk about bigfoot and
people make fun of you and whathave you talk about?
Ghosts?
People make fun of you and whathave you you talk about ghosts.
People make fun of you.
And I always tell people do youbelieve in God?
And, like you guys were saying,you believe in God, you believe
in Jesus Christ?

(22:50):
Right, then you have to believein Bigfoot, you have to believe
in ghosts, you have to believein aliens, because the same
logic applies If you can believein God and you can believe in
Jesus, then it's the same.
It's the same as believing inany of those other things.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm sorry.
On a logical standpoint that'sabsolutely true, because if one
exists, they all exist.
Logically Right, you know, withGod and stuff like that, it's
more faith-based Right.
It's more faith-based right.
But we don't have to.
We don't have to sit there andand hope and pray that bigfoot's

(23:30):
alive or bigfoot is real right.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
but for faith-based you're, you're attached to
christ and and things arehappening so well, and again,
it's your own experience, right,and all these things become
your own experience, and so,therefore, it's it's the same,
and some people get I'm glad youguys didn't get mad at me for
that but some people get reallymad about that because they
don't equate those two things asanything similar.
I'm not looking at Bigfoot as adeity or a ghost as a deity.

(23:54):
I'm looking at that assomething that you cannot
tangibly see, you cannottangibly feel.
You know you may witnesssomething that a person right
next to you may not witness,right, you may have a feeling
that another person doesn't have, and you're literally in the
same space, and all these thingshave that same criteria.

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Right, that happens, and sothat's why I'm saying that you
have to.
So to me, I don't understandall.
If there's so many people whobelieve, are Christians and of
different faiths and so forth,that believe in God, then why
are they shushing and shunningall the rest of this stuff?

(24:37):
Because they don't think it'swell, it's not real.
Because they don't think it'swell, it's not real, you know
well, if you haven't had anexperience, then any of that's
not real for you.
So that's an interesting thing.
Now to get back to the ghostthing.
So if you talk about ghosts,like I said, it could all be the

(24:59):
same stuff.
You know, bigfoot could be aghost for all we know, because
there's no tangible proof yet.
So all these things kind ofexist in this amalgam of being
glimpsed and so forth, but notbeing quite tangible enough to
be cataloged like they catalogother animals and so forth, and

(25:21):
so same thing could be.
It could be an energy being, itcould be an alien from
someplace else, who?
That's what they are.
It could be, like I said,interdimensional.
It could just be that.
That's what they are.
That's just what they are.
They're not any different thanyou and I.
It's just their form issomewhat translucent or

(25:43):
transparent, and you don't seethem most of the time because
you know they just, you know,inhabit things, or maybe there's
just not that many of them, andso we don't know.
But until we get a littlefurther down the path I mean,
everybody likes to apply thesecategories to them, like demon

(26:04):
and what have you.
Until it does something bad toyou or in a demon-like way, then
I don't know that you can callit a demon, and so I think
that's a little bit of a stretchto me Now I'm going to go into
a story here.
If you guys had any experiencewith anything like this, like
personally, can I ask?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do you mean demon-like or just ghost?

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Anything that's unknown.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean, I have one experience.
Well and that's part of why Iplay the part of the skeptic is,
I've had one experience that Idon't call it a ghost story, but
it is.
It was a weird story that Ican't really explain.
John, on the other hand, he'sthe one who lived in a haunted

(26:55):
house, so he's got all kinds ofstories so you've heard, you've
heard stuff, you've seen stuff,john yeah, heard and seen, not
just one haunted house, threeokay

Speaker 3 (27:05):
yeah, so can I ask what you saw?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
uh, well, there was like when I was younger.
Yeah, it's always like a ladyin white.
It's kind of weird lady inwhite okay, not always, but you
know what I mean like there'stwo, there's some type of
apparition that is kind oftransparent yeah, and then there
was like an old man at onepoint, but yeah okay, cool, I

(27:33):
mean.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
And you, this is something where you you're by
yourself, I'm guessing, or?
Yeah okay, no, I'm justwondering like, if you had a
youngerbrother or something they're
like.
Yeah, you know, me and bubba,we saw this while we were trying
to sleep in the tent.
You know something like that.
Um, just curious.
So I mean, that affected you,right?

(27:55):
So you, you saw this, youbelieve it.
This is something that you'relike it happened.
I have no way of explaining it,I have no way to prove it right
, but you know that thisexperience happened to you.
Yeah, this is what a lot ofpeople find themselves, uh, in,
but now, did any of those thingstry to hurt you?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
not that I know of yeah, I mean nothing.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, you know immediate reaction like you see
them, they grab you, theyscratch you, they poke you, they
, something bad happens.
Immediately you fall down thestairs or something only in
nightmares only everybody hasnightmares with them, specific
entities.
Yeah, so I mean they were inyour nightmares okay At times

(28:41):
that's pretty good.
Yeah, but that's a little bitless direct than what I'm
thinking about here.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Right, I get you.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, but I mean because, obviously, when you
have an experience like that,especially if it's a negative
experience to you even thoughmaybe the ghost didn't want it
to be a negative experience butbecause it just revealed itself
at a inopportune time for youand you're like holy moly, I'm
trying to take a crap and here'sa ghost.
You know that's going to scareyou, that's going to mess you up

(29:14):
, so you're going to havenightmares about that it's no
different.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I don't know if you're taking a crap, I should
let you know there's nodifference in trying to take a
crap in like a bar in a stallwith no door in it that's a
scarier experience.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Hopefully they're not apparitions at that point, but
you never know, it's scary, tobe honest.
So personally, I try to stayout of those situations myself
it's been a while.
I run down to McDonald's orsomething.
I'm not going to use the barbathroom, come on.
So, but anyway, I had anexperience with what most people

(29:53):
would call a shadow person.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
And, um, it was a weird thing and, to be honest
with you, I did not, um, Ididn't want to believe it when
it happened, and the only reasonthat I do believe it is because
it didn't just happen to me.
It happened to my son as well,on the exact same evening and

(30:19):
the exact same time period, andso long story.
But we were in a rental house.
I wake up in the middle of thenight, I look over towards the
window and there was a personstanding there, a shadow of a

(30:40):
person.
Now, I was really tired becauseof some circumstance.
I wasn't drunk or anything, Iwas just tired and I thought it
was a neighbor who was standinglooking in the window and being
a creep.
And because it seemed to be inthe window, right, and it was a

(31:02):
shadow.
And I thought, oh my God, thisweird neighbor is, you know,
it's three o'clock in themorning.
He's out in the yard looking inthe window.
It had blinds but it didn'thave curtains, so it wasn't like
light blocking so you'd seewhat was outside shadowy, but
you wouldn't see like a face oranything.

(31:23):
So I went back to sleep.
I was really tired, I was wipedout.
In the morning my son comes upto me and he's a teenager at the
time and he goes Dad, a shadowcame through my door and tried
to grab my leg.
What?

(31:43):
And I go, exactly that's what Isaid.
So he says this in the morningafter this happens to me, which
I brushed off as some creepyneighbor, and I'm like what time
was this, right?
So he tells me it's he, he wasa teenager, he stays up playing
video games and whatnot, rightMiddle of the night, right.

(32:10):
And I'm like, oh, okay, well, wewere in a situation where we
were renting, uh, for a yearbecause our house had burnt down
and this was this, was it?
This was our only place to liveat the moment, because there
was no house to go back to.
So, um, I played it off becauseI did not want my kid to feel
like we were living in a placethat was unwelcoming, and I said

(32:32):
I'm sure you're just tired.
It was the middle of the night.
I'm being I'm basically being ajerk at this point.
Um, you know, but tell me ifanything happens again, right.
So, um, now, I didn't tell mywife all about this.
My son told my wife and, andand she's like oh, she was with

(32:54):
me, oh, I'm sure you're justtired.
And so then go a couple nights.
He sees it again.
It's walking through the livingroom in the kitchen and walks
out through a door, out into thegarage, like a full shadow of a
person walking around the house, but not like a shadow like

(33:14):
starts from your feet, like yourshadow.
I'm talking an independentshadow shadow.
Yeah, like, wow yeah and so thenhe tells me about again we
we've, we, you know, we kind ofare stuck here and I'm like, I'm
sure buddy it's, you know,we've had a tough time right,

(33:34):
we're you know.
So you know, just keep meposted, I'm sure everything's
fine.
So so we end up getting thisdog which, because we lost all
of our pets in this fire, we getthis dog.
And yeah, I know I'm trying notto give you the too gruesome

(33:55):
details here yeah.
And we have a basement but it'snot finished and essentially
it's empty.
So we go downstairs to playwith the dog, throw a tennis
ball around, because that's whathe likes, right, a puppy.
And if you throw the ball intoone corner, dog will not go get
the ball.
You throw the ball in any otherplace in this basement he will

(34:18):
go get the ball.
All right, okay.
So then time goes on a littlebit.
We start hearing noises in thebasement.
There's absolutely nothing inthe basement.
It is because we had nothing.
Basically we had to buyfurniture when we moved in and
you know we didn't get muchbecause of the whole situation

(34:41):
and yeah.
So then we keep hearing noisesin the basement and then, of
course, the dog won't go in thatcorner, you know.
And we basically lived with thisthing for a year.
This happened shortly within aweek after moving into this
place.
This happened and we had tolive there for almost a year.
My son didn't see it again, Ididn't see it again, I didn't

(35:06):
see it again, but we keptnoticing like, I'm sure, john,
if you live in a haunted housenoticing weird noises,
especially in the evening, youknow, coming from the basement
which had the hot water heaterand a furnace which had the hot
water heater and a furnace, andthey weren't you know furnace or
hot water heater noises, so itwas like banging and just weird

(35:30):
thumping and stuff like that.
So but yeah, but after a whilewe lived with this thing I'm
assuming the rest of the time,because it did never show itself
again.
And so I kind of just come upwith this theory from this
experience that when it, when wegot there, it was curious and

(35:52):
it wanted to see who was who andwhat was what, and went around
and basically saw everybody,because that was everybody right
, and my son happened to beawake and you know, if you, if
you're walking in the woods andyou see, you know if you're an
animal person and you seesomething like a rabbit or
whatever, you might try to goover and touch the rabbit.
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I know my queen consort would.
She'd be like oh hello, see,there you go.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
So all that behavior was like that.
Well then, whenever you know hereacted and so forth.
I think it kind of freaked itout and then it kind of avoided
us and kind of stayed away.
But yeah, so I mean, it was avery real, very weird experience
that I have corroborated withmy son, who we didn't talk about

(36:43):
this.
I didn't come out that next dayand go hey, guess what?
I saw this guy's shadow.
I didn't even talk about thecreepiness that I thought it was
, which was a creepy neighbor,because I didn't want to freak
my wife out, because we didn'treally know these people that
well, we just got there and youknow, because that's just as bad
as having, or maybe worse thanhaving, a shadow thing in the

(37:06):
house is to have a creepyneighbor staring in your window,
yeah, um so, yeah, so all thishappened and it was, um, but,
like I said, it wasn't malicious.
Things didn't happen other thanweird noises, and no one was
harmed, other than we were kindof scared for a while and then,

(37:29):
after a while, you just kind of,you know, for me I didn't, I
did not.
So my son and I the only onesthat had experience, and I
didn't talk to my wife about ituntil well after we moved out of
the house.
Oh I didn't want to, I didn'twant to get her involved in this
, to be freaked out as well, andso, um, and then I didn't let

(37:50):
my son know that I was aware ofit.
I just played it off because Iwanted to try to keep him, you
know, somewhat less worriedabout things.
Um, because, again, you know,we're in a situation where
there's not a lot of options,right, so you don't.
It's not like we could say, okay, we're out of here.

(38:11):
I mean, literally, theinsurance company is paying for
this house, for us to be inbecause our house is gone and I
can't go to the insurancecompany and go hey, this shadow
person tried to grab my son.
God damn it.
You know it's not gonna, that'snot gonna fly.
I mean there's no real reasonfor us to move um, or logical

(38:35):
reason, I'll put it that way.
You know regular people reasonto move, so but I mean that I
have thought about these thingsyou know ghosts and all this
kind of stuff my whole life andand read about things as you
know a kid and so forth.
But the um, but this wasprobably um.

(38:59):
This is one of my most realencounters with something that
is unknown, and the way thateverything kind of played out as
I look back on it justdemonstrated to me it's almost
like you know an animal.
It's just like it's as afraid ofyou as you are of it, and it

(39:21):
then I mean maybe it was in thesame situation and they're like
well, I'm, you know, from theshadow world and this is where
we live and we have no place togo.
So who knows what the situationwas on the other side, but we
coexisted for almost a year anduh, and and with no you know
downside, other than kind ofbeing freaked out for a while

(39:45):
and having this experience, andI think that that's a lot of
these kind of things.
I think that a lot of thisstuff is probably like that, and
it's probably these entitiesthat are just different, that
are trying to live their liveswhatever they are, that are
trying to live their liveswhatever they are, and we just

(40:11):
happen to be in the same spacefor short periods of time.
For all we know, our night istheir day.
I mean, we have no idea howother things in?
the world operate right.
We like to think that we do.
We like everybody likes tothink that we have all the
answers to everything.
But we don't.
I mean we don't even have allthe answers to things on this

(40:33):
planet.
I mean, do you literally, doyou know that there's like
thousands upon thousands of newspecies found every year?
And that's stuff that makessense, like little furry things
and little insects and stufflike that.
So can you imagine the variancein something that we don't

(40:55):
understand, that doesn'tnecessarily breathe oxygen,
perhaps that doesn't need tohave food or water?
I mean, it could be endless.
But we ignore that.
We are like, oh well,everything needs to have got to
have food, you got to have water.
You know everything has a cycle.
They're either nocturnal orthey come out during the day.
You know, we think we got itall figured out, but the reality

(41:18):
is we don't.
And I think that, just like wehave thousands of species in
this world, there's probablythousands of species in these
other areas that we don't haveany clue about and we just
happen to encounter things Likemaybe the lady in white is a
particular type of entity andthat's why people see so many of

(41:42):
them.
Right, yeah, you know aparticular type of entity and
that's why people see so many ofthem Right, yeah, you know, and
so to me that's and like I saidit could be, like I said it
could be alien, it could beanything.
So that's where I'm, I'm comingfrom on all this and that's.
Uh, now I obviously just likewe were talking.
There's no way for me to provethis, because I didn't take

(42:08):
pictures or video or not, thatany of that would be convincing
at this point because of thenature of technology.
But it's just, you know, one ofthose things that that happens
and you just have to trust inthe person that is telling you
the story and say are theyreally telling me that story?
Is it true that it happened?
Like john has his thing and yousaid you had your thing, yeah,

(42:29):
and that's really all we have togo on now.
I think, as we progress withtechnology, oddly enough, the
technology that's spoilingeverything right now may become
the technology that discoversthings in the future, because,
you know, maybe it'll, it'll,you know, open up these areas

(42:49):
that we don't know about yet.
And so I think, unfortunatelyfor me, a lot of people like to
apply information that we havehere to anything that happens,
because that's just a naturalway to think about it, right?

(43:10):
So they're like oh, demon,right, oh, angel, oh, and so
you're applying that.
But the reality is we don'tknow.
If you go back into medievaltimes and prior, they call them
demons because that wassomething that they knew about
and they're like OK, and theyapplied the label to it and so

(43:32):
now we're just picking that backup and taking it forward as
opposed to maybe they were wrong.
I mean, they said they haddragons and we don't have any
dragon bones, I mean not of anysubstantial size.
Does that mean there wasn'tdragons?
Not necessarily, but you knowit's again, you know it could be

(43:53):
a misrepresentation ofsomething else that was that big
, maybe it was leftover dinosaur, for all we know, and we do
have proof of those.
So that's the thing about all ofthis cryptozoology and and
paranormal stuff is that wereally don't.
We're just at the beginning, Ithink, the beginnings of trying

(44:18):
to figure this stuff out and wedon't really have enough solid
information, scientificinformation, to know what's
going on, because for us itseems so random right, it
happens to John, it happens tome, but it doesn't happen
consistently.
But again, everybody's got aphone and I would say until well

(44:47):
, let's say, within the last 15years, you would have never saw
a car crash unless you wereinvolved in it.
Right Right Now that theproliferation of cell phones,
you can go look up a bunch ofcar crashes on the Internet and
watch them all day long if youwant to bunch of car crashes on
the internet and watch them allday long if you want to.
But that's only because they'veliterally thrown millions of
recording devices into people'shands and so that it changes the

(45:11):
odds right.
So we've changed the odds ofcatching a car crash from almost
zero to being, you know, in thefavor of actually catching it,
even though still, how many carcrashes have you caught on video
?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
None Right.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
None, most people haven't.
Every once in a while you getone Part of the reason for that
is that's a weird reason, butuse of dash cams over in Russia
and other parts of Europe.
They almost require them to getcheaper insurance or something,
and so we get more dash camfootage now.

(45:47):
But anyway, but that was theflip, right.
So eventually they're going tocome up with a way to figure out
when this is going to happen,right, so that it can be
predictable, and they'll figureout a way to capture it once it
happens and measure it Right.
So again, we get into.

(46:08):
If you guys are involved in anykind of, you know, scientific
endeavors, you always have toprove things.
It could be, you know, could beany different.
Uh, waves, because there's, youknow, you have wi-fi, both of

(46:30):
you have wi-fi in your house, doyou see it all day long?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
like visually, no yeah no yeah, do you?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
hear it, do you taste it?
Do you smell it?
I don't know, but you use itright so I'm assuming, wi-fi
tastes amazing but it could be,I wish it, I wish I could.
You know, I'm going to beselling a whole uh flavor
cartridges that you just pluginto your usb on your wi-fi and
it flavors your wi-fi for you.

(46:59):
So it's one of my big ideas uh,wintergreen you want.
Wintergreen, you want somestrawberry Wi-Fi, but you see,
we're limited by our capacities,right, but there are
technologies that are availablefor us that convert those things
into something that we can thenmeasure, right Gamma rays,

(47:22):
x-rays, you know on and on.
We have all these instrumentsand eventually we're going to
hit upon the instrument thatwill.
You know, not an app on yourphone that says ghost detector,
that doesn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You know I get so aggravated about these people.
They love to use the spirit box.
I don't know where you guysfall on the spirit box spectrum.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I would be the only one that fell on the spectrum,
because DW is not on thespectrum You're making it sound
really bad.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
So where did this idea come from that these ghosts
or spirits can manipulate uh,fm or am frequencies?
Who the hell made that up?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't know.
I have a question on that,though, because you are
obviously radio static radioyeah, static radio yeah um, but
where do you?
Where do you fall on that?
Like, how do you?
Okay?
So if you were using a spiritbox, right, and it's going
through the all the way through,okay, a hundred and some

(48:38):
stations per second, essentially, how do you explain a full
sentence throughout that?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
If, if it's like happenstance, with they go, john
quit, looking at the lady inwhite.
That's a full sentence.
You know what I mean.
It's not you're going to die.
That's not a full sentence.
That's vague references.
Or I'm the devil.
You know how many things sayI'm the devil on the radio.

(49:11):
For christ's sake, they play itevery 10 minutes for christ,
because everybody buys into it.
Right?
It's a way to get people tolisten.
Plus, what happens to the poorspirits who are out in the
middle of South Dakota, in themiddle of nowhere, that have no
radio stations around?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
How do they communicate?
Wyoming too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Wyoming.
Any of the ones out west don'thave any kind of.
You can drive for hours withoutfinding a radio.
That's why satellite radioexists because of the fact that
there's so much dead space inthe spectrum, because they can't
have stations close enoughtogether out there.
So to me it's just like I don'twant to poop on everybody's

(49:57):
parade anything.
But the other thing about me isenergy.
Everybody talks about energy,this energy, that energy.
There are ways to measureenergy.
What kind of energy?
Is it gamma radiation?
Is it X-ray radiation?
Is it just radiation fromuranium?

(50:23):
Energy is a generic word thatdescribes multiple things.
It's like a box of tissues.
You know how many differentbrands of tissues there are A
gazillion.
So what tissue are we talkingabout here?
And there's a way to measurethat.
And so they need to get down tobrass tacks and say I am

(50:44):
measuring the RF signal, whichthey do sometimes.
Right, so I'm buying into theRF signal.
Right, I'm doing a magnetometer.
So the Earth's magnetic fieldis changing.
Why is it changing?
If it can change on a regularbasis in one spot, then there's
something going on.

(51:06):
But just saying energy or usingthe spirit box or any of that
stuff to me is you're not.
It's for lack of a better term,it's half-assed science, right?
You're tapping into aphenomenon that happens, that
it's just like pareidolia.
You can randomly pull insomething that can seem that

(51:35):
real for you guys, right?
So it's?
Oh, they said John, that's me,I'm John.
How many fricking people in theworld are named John?
A bazillion, you know.
Not so many new ones, but theolder ones there are.
Yeah.
So you know what I'm saying.
So you have to get away fromthis randomness and get into
very specific things.

(51:56):
For me to be on board, you knowwhat I mean.
So taking measurements that areprecise, or at least somewhat
precise.
Now, the other problem with allthis is that you can take those
measurements and if thesethings have free will like we
have they they can just walkaway and it won't happen again.

(52:17):
So what you have to do is youhave to set up in a spot that
has things take it happenregularly, and then you just
have to keep measuring.
I mean, you can't run in over aweekend and say, oh yeah, we
got ghosts here because onething went beep once.
That's, that's not that's notmeasuring you know, they know
the rf meter went all the way tothe red, and so that's ghosts

(52:44):
when people I.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I love this you have now the now.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
The terrible thing is both you guys.
I totally believe in this stuffbecause because I had an
experience that I cannot explainand I've had more than one over
time, but they were very latein life.
I didn't have these when I wasyounger, right, I had these,
like recently.
And so the other thing is,people will go to and again,

(53:11):
it's not very scientific, so weneed to pin it down is maybe
you're more sensitive, right,and maybe you are, but we need
to know what that sensitivity isand we need to be able to
measure that, to know that it'sreal, other than I just say I'm
more sensitive, I'm a psychic,I'm a this, I'm a that, right,
anybody can say they're anythingand you know, maybe they get

(53:35):
some stuff right.
I have a friend who believes inpsychics.
I'm very skeptical of psychics,okay, but I thoroughly believe
that he believes and Ithoroughly believe that he had
an experience.
But I think there's the.
I think the vast majority, over50% of people who say they're

(53:58):
psychic are not psychic.
They are lucky guessers or theyare leading questions.
John, I see you have a person.
I think it's a woman.
This woman's name starts with M.
Do you have anybody whose name?
Who's a woman who starts with Min your life?

Speaker 1 (54:19):
That's freaking funny .

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, cause he does.
Who is it?
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Now you're buying it I have.
I didn't even meet you tilltonight.
I have no knowledge of yourbackground.
M a lady named M is a verycommon letter for a woman's name
, right, and so I've just been apsychic.
I'm not a psychic.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That's fucking, oh my God, but this is what people do
right.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yes, this is the game , this is the show, and so you.
But you, what you have to do isyou have to say no, it's a man.
I mean, the transgendermovement is going to kill
psychics because they used tohave two choices and now they've
got 100.
So they're going to have tofigure out you know where

(55:06):
everybody's at on the spectrumnowadays, but you know it has to
be man or woman.
And then you just come up withsome S.
They have to start with that,and because you just pick a
common letter, you don't go X.
You know, yeah, I got an auntnamed Xenon.
Nobody has an aunt named Xenon,or else you know.
Then it's a little bit closerto home, but they would say the

(55:28):
whole name.
If they were psychic, they wouldknow the history, it wouldn't
be vague, it would be moreconcrete.
And so we can't.

(55:49):
Unfortunately, this field thatwe're talking about is full of
people taking advantage.
Guarantee you right now,anytime, anytime they're asking
you if you're a real psychic,just tell me what you got to
tell me and let's get on withour lives.
Because if you're asking me formoney, then it's not real,
because that becomes the focus,and the focus isn't really on
what you can do.

(56:09):
It's on how can I make moneyoff of you, right?
And so anybody who's who is areal psychic is now, I don't
think, is never going to ask youfor money.
On the front end, maybe they'lldo something for you, and on
the back end, if you feel likegiving me a tip, go right ahead,
right.
But even those, if there's anymoney involved, be very, very

(56:31):
skeptical, because you know it'sall about the money at that
point.
So, is a ghost ever asked formoney?
I don't know, probably.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I'm sure there is well, no, I was just gonna say.
The reason john is laughing somuch is the betrothed that we
talked about.
His fiancee starts with them sofantastic, I got yeah so he got
, yeah, you got it yeah, 100percent.
Like, yeah, nailed like well,and the thing is, what so I was
going to say about that is theother side is it helps if the

(57:06):
person wants to believe it, andusually if you're going to a
psychic it's because you believein a psychic right.
You know.
You're not going to go to apsychic and say let's see what
this crazy person like to drinkand go to psychics.
Yeah, it's like a form ofamusement yeah, but usually if
you're going to a psychic, it'sbecause you believe in that
stuff and therefore when thepsychic says you have someone in

(57:28):
your, your life the name startswith a, b that the other person
is going to go.
There's got to be someone.
Hang on, let me think aboutthis.
Oh yeah, my aunt's friend fromcollege was Bethany or whatever
you know.
You're going to reach for itbecause so badly you want to
want to believe it.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, you cause.
You, you're grasping forsomething because you maybe
you're confused or something andyou want to have, you want to
have this experience which it tome.
It cannot come through thosemeans, literally it has to be.
I'm not expecting anything andit just happens.
I was in a situation and itjust worked out that way.

(58:11):
You know, you, it's almost likean accident.
You're just there witnessingsomething you know transpire in
front of you that I think thoseare real, probably real things,
right, right and um, but yeah,anytime money gets involved,
that's the worst thing and Ialways feel bad um for people

(58:34):
because they do get taken in bythis.
And you know, there's certaincultures and folks in certain
cultures that kind of are intothis a little bit more and they
still, you know, do it.
And I'm not talking about theseare not any kind of backwards
kind of thing.
These are people who live inthe real world and do real world

(58:56):
things and yet they still lookfor validation from you know
these type of people and paymoney.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Right yeah so yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I mean it's weird, but and I know we've kind of
done some cyclical, we've kindof circled back around a little
bit, but you know, but that'swhy I always try to pick the
witness, so because we can'ttrust our eyes and we can't
trust, you know, technology notto mess with things.
Now.
You always have to look at theperson.

(59:30):
You're like what are they goingto get out of this?
I mean, it sounds terrible.
You're profiling people in a way.
You know what's in it for themand if you can get down to the
situation where there's nothingin it for them, then maybe you
know, probably it's true, but Ido believe a lot of times people

(59:51):
have these real situations andthere's no point trying to, you
know, debunk them or anythingthey were real to that person.
You can't go back and createwhatever happened before,
because it's just not going tohappen.
Chances are because we haven'thit that point where technology
has caught up to see what thesethings really are.
And until that time happens,we're the pundits, right, and

(01:00:14):
until that time happens, youknow we're the pundits.
We're the pundits of this worldtalking about these things,
waiting for the decisiveness tohappen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I don't know if I was sufficiently humorous or not no
, it's just I, I'm taking allthis stuff in, man, you okay.
So let's go all.
I have to go all the way back.
And that you proved a point ofmine that I've been making since
probably the inception of ofscolarius, and that is, your

(01:00:55):
parents gaslight you.
So you okay, true you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
gaslit, you said totally totally cop to it okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
So with that theory being being said, is that you,
you gaslit.
So therefore, like you'resaying, there was nothing
happening, but there was stuffhappening the whole time yeah,
now, since then, I haveapologized to him and told him
it really happened.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
After we, after we, got out of that situation, a
while after we got out of thatsituation, I did sit him down
and I said, okay, here's whatreally, here's what happened.
And you were right oh because Iwasn't gonna leave it forever
and then have him find out on mydeathbed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh, by the way, you can pull that off on your
deathbed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
That's your one regret.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I feel really bad about it, but being, you know,
kind of a responsible adult andknowing that our options were
very, very, very limited at thattime, I mean not to get into uh
, away from the paranormal andinto the real world of insurance
and and and uh responsibility.

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But when you, when your houseburns down, nobody gives you a
wad of money.
You still have to pay for yourhouse burns down.
Nobody gives you a wad of money.
You still have to pay for yourhouse.
You pay your mortgage, right,and you aren't living there and
you're still paying yourmortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
And you have insurance, and insurance will
help you.
But guess what?
They don't pay for your depositon a rental.
They don't pay for yourelectricity on a rental.
They don't pay for your gas,right.
They don't pay for water.
They don't pay for your Wi-Fi.

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They pay for the rental andthen eventually you get money
back for the deposit.
If you don't get the depositback at the end, which you're
supposed to, that's what theywant.
So I mean, you lay out a lot ofcash really quick whenever you
have a house fire that you don'teven realize that you're going
to be doing, and so it strapsyou immediately.

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If you don't have insurance,you're screwed, but if you do,
you're screwed for a while, andthen eventually you get some
money.
But it's not that first day,right?
You have to front everythingand provide receipts.
Yeah, and so if you havesomebody in this situation where

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it's like I can't live hereanymore because this happened to
me, what are you going to do?
I mean literally, what are yougoing to do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I can't pay for another place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I'm not a bazillionaire here.
I'm not, you know.
Oh yeah, we'll just go down thestreet and I can't convince
them at this point.
Basically, you are in alove-hate relationship with your
insurer because they arescrutinizing the crap out of you
and anything you say.

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They're going to be checking onbecause they don't want to give
you the money.
The whole idea behind insurance.
Everybody knows, oh, I pay myinsurance and then they'll help
me whenever something badhappens.
Guess what?
You pay your insurance and whensomething bad happens, they
hate your guts and they don'twant to give you any money.
Yeah, that's what happens.

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I mean, yes, everybodysugarcoats it and everybody
smiles and and um, you know, yougo through the process, but the
reality is it is, it's there'snot.
You know, somebody just goingoh, you need another hundred
dollars.
Sure, here's a hundred dollarsall right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Well, what scared you more dealing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
with real world scares me way more than any of
the paranormal stuff at thispoint.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Well, that's good.
I also have to touch on thefact that you probably pissed
off 98% of our audience today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I'm sorry, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You hit the paranormal investigators with
their equipment.
I thought that was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I don't think all the equipment's bad.
I said the RF stuff and themagnetic field.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Okay, so the EMF.
And then, what do you think ofthe new thing, the REM pods?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
REM pods.
I actually have a REM pod.
Okay, the new thing with theREM pods?
Rem pods, I actually have a REMpod, okay, not, and I think
it's very interesting because ofthe.
So basically, it makes amagnetic field around the REM
pod, right the antenna, and thenif something touches the
antenna it makes a beep, rightand so.
But the thing is, I mean, thesethings aren't crafted at NASA,
for Christ's sake, they're insomebody.

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If you ever see any of thesethings, it's homebrew at best,
right, and so it's not an overlysensitive instrument.
So, just like any device thatyou own your phone or your
computer or anything, it has toaccept interference, and so, for

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all we know, it's errantinterference on some of these
things.
So you have to, again, you haveto have it be consistent.
If it just goes blip or turnsred or whatever, it could just
be a random, you know, wave ofsomething that hit that, as
opposed to actually any kind ofghost or spirit or anything,

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unless you go, you know, kind oflike my example, john.
You know, john, are you herewith us?
John, if you're here with us,grab a hold of that antenna and
hold on to it for five minutes,right, it's obeying a command.
Right's obvious.
There's no way in the world thatif something goes on there for

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five minutes and everything isworking correctly right, the
battery's not dying or any kindof other weird thing is
happening, that that wouldhappen randomly.
It can't just be a blip, itcan't just be you knowip, it
can't just be you know.
Uh, you know.
Well, they answered why.
They answered my first question, but then they didn't answer my
next five questions and thenthey answered my seventh

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question, and then you know whatI mean.
That's not the way people work,right?
People will answer yourquestions until you piss them
off and they walk away, and theydon't just keep walking away
and coming back after a while.
So if it's really a person,then I think.
I don't think that when youbecome a ghost if that's the way
it happens, that you all of asudden, you know become, uh, you

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know so impolite that you justrandomly react to things and and
are, like, you know, a dog withsquirrels running around.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
No, in theory.
If ghosts are real, if ghostsare ghosts and things like that,
you got to look at everythingfrom every guest's perspective.
On that point.
Like your perspective is aghost could be anything.
A ghost could be nothing.
And other people are like otherpeople like hey, you know it's,

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it's a demon.
Other people are like no, it'sjust spiritual and other you
know whatever, but we're notquite there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
So I mean I'm I think that's worthwhile trying to get
there, but we have to keepdoing.
We can't just settle, settle on, you know, oh, I can buy all
these cool gadgets and then I'mtalking to ghosts.
I mean we need to.
You know, everybody needs to uptheir game, as it were.
We really need to up our gameinto all of these areas right

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that we were talking about, andreally get something that is
more definitive and repeatable.
Then, once you have somethingthat seems repeatable, then go
to the next place and try torepeat it.
Go to the next place and try torepeat it.
Right now, a lot of it isentertainment.
That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, it's not like the Ghostbusters man, the
Ghostbusters those, those werelike straight up, like coming at
you know yeah, exactly, and Ifeel like paranormal
investigators for the most part.
Some of them want to feel thatkind of activity happen and I'm
sorry you're not going to getJohn Belushi's ghost sucking
down hot dogs at the end of awhole day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
There's some trivia there, right.
What's his name?
What did they call him?
They didn't call him JohnBelushi, they called him
something else oh Slimer, Slimer.
Yeah, Slimer was a depiction ofJohn Belushi there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
So then okay.
Oh, go ahead, dw.
I was gonna, so you're talkingabout, you know, the, the
equipment that you don't trustbecause we made it.
So then, what are your thoughtson?
Uh, ouija boards?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
oh my gosh, come on.
The great thing is, um, when Iwas a kid, parker brothers made
a ouija board.
I don't know if you guys knewthat oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I had access to one and weused to play with it all the
time and inevitably one of theolder kids was manipulating the
Ouija board and usually makingfun of somebody at the Ouija

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board as part of the process.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah, I mean again, there's too many.
If the planchette moved on itsown, it may have some more
worthy aspects to it, butanybody putting their fingers on
it is prone to manipulate, andso, yeah, it's not a reliable
narrator, as they say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Well, neither is most of my family, so I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
But see, that's what happens and so you know it's a
fun thing and you know, maybewho knows what the percentage of
hit is, if it's right or wrongor what have you.
But I just, you know again,it's just not something that I
would totally buy into as far asthat goes.
You know again, it's just notsomething that, uh, I would
totally buy into.
Um, as far as that goes youknow, it's a fun.
My thing with uh and I didn'teven get into this just to piss

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people off a little bit more iswhy does it always happen at
night?
These things can happen duringthe day.
For christ's sake, there's noreason that it has to happen at
night.
The only reason it happens atnight is because it has more
ambiance and it's more scary,and so forth.
There are daytime sightings ofghosts and so forth, but
everybody is always doing okay,we're going to go dark and we're

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going to go to night vision.
It's like why, If it happens,it happens, you just have to be
there to catch it.
You need to be there all dayand all night with stuff running
to catch whatever's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Yeah, because it's not a light switch.
It doesn't just start offautomatically, like, and then go
away.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Exactly so.
I mean that you know, sells itright, because it's more fun if
it's at night.
It it scares people and and youknow there's so many things
hiding in the dark and so forth,and and so, yeah, I wish they
would just be honest about itand say, you know, it doesn't
have to be night for thesethings to happen.

(01:12:30):
Uh, and then, well, they mostlyhappen at night.
Well, they mostly happen atnight because that's when you're
watching.
Yeah, if you were watchingduring the day, maybe you'd see
something during the day.
But you know, that's just meand that's again another one of
those tropes.
It's like energy and all theseother things.

(01:12:53):
It's just a trope that's beenbuilt up around this that
everybody, they like it becauseit's fun and they buy into it.
It's part of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
That's good Speaking of shows.
You have one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, static.
So tell us I mean, we've beendoing a lot on the paranormal
and you're're entertaining guythere, bob, I will tell you that
.
So, um, thanks, john Iappreciate it oh it's, it's
awesome.
Can you just give us a littlebit about static radio?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
well, yeah, the funny thing is I, I have talked, I
talk about.
I told this story about seeingthe uh shadow.
It took me over two years totell the story because I could
not tell it.
I told no one but my family fortwo years and then I finally
told it on the show because itfreaked me out so bad.
And I've told other stories,weird stories, on the show, but

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I usually have to wait a whilebecause it really is unnerving.
But anyway, most of the time wetell funny stories.
You know, we're comedies, we'rea comedy show for the most part
, and so Miles and I we do aweekly show.
We tell stories about thingsthat happened to us in our
regular lives.

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You know that happened, thatare weird, that are funny, that
are wild, and we try to,basically, you know, make people
laugh when they're listening.
And then we try to make eachother laugh as part of this as
well.
And then also we try to pokeholes in each other's story
Because I mean, what more fun isthere than teasing someone

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mercilessly while they're tryingto tell you something seriously
?
So we do a lot of that.
But we've been doing weeklyshows since 1999.
And you can listen to them allat staticradiocom or you can
find us on any of the socials.
Typically it's at Static Radio.

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There may be a couple ofvariants because there's so many
social media things now, butmost of it's almost the biggies
are at Static Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
So 1999,.
What platform did you start on?

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
There was no platform .

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I know that's the reason.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
The reason it's called Static Radio is because
Miles and I went to collegetogether.
We got out of college, we usedto do a show which was very
similar to the show we do now,and we were like I don't want to
be an adult and go to a workand have a job all the time.
I still want to do fun stuff.
And so I said, hey, I got anidea.

(01:15:35):
There's this stuff calledInternet Radio at the time.
Why don't you and I do anInternet Radio show?
And he said sure, I don't knowhow to do anything, you do it,
you figure it out and I'll do it.
And I said sure, so that's whyit's called Static Radio is
because we were under themoniker of Internet Radio at the
time, in 99.
And then, in 2004, is whenpodcasting came onto the scene

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and MP3s were more widelyavailable.
We were actually doing showsbefore there was MP3s believe it
or not?
Wow, and and so then, yeah, ittook off from there as far as
podcasting goes.
So, and then, yeah, we, youknow it, it has proliferated, uh
into all these different areasand so forth, but I never did

(01:16:20):
change.
I got the url, uh for staticradio and, um, there's no use
changing it at this point.
It's been so freaking long.
I've had it for so long.
There's no point in it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
So we just keep it the same so do you guys have
guests on our show?

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
sorry I had to sneeze there.
I hope you didn't hear that.
Um, the uh, every once in awhile.
Most of the time it's just heand I telling stories.
Um, we have had guests over theyears.
Um, it just depends.
We don't um, we don't depend onguests, and really the guesting
thing um is a more.
I mean there's always beenguests, don't get me wrong all

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the way back.
But as far as being more guestfocused on shows, that hasn't
really happened until covid andso, um, so yeah, we I mean we
have people randomly, justwhenever one of us, you know,
say, oh hey, I got somebody whowants to come on, and and then
we do that, but otherwise it'smostly just he and I.

(01:17:23):
So yeah, it's just.
And you know, I would havenever thought it would go on
this long.
I thought maybe we'd do it fora few months and then we would
have been like I'm tired oftalking to you, but uh, it
hasn't, so it's been a lot ofyou is with me so it didn't take
months, it was just prettyquick.

(01:17:45):
So but yeah, so that's, butthat's what happens.
So, um, but uh, yeah, I meanit's been fun, I mean we haven't
, you know, hurt each other yetphysically, only mentally.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Any favorite moments from your 25 years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
That's a good question, I would say.
You know, the weird thing isand this is going to sound
totally incongruous to what Ijust said but my kids grew up
during this time and so I have alot of stories about my kids

(01:18:31):
and the funny things that theydid, and so I think those are my
, a lot of.
Those are my favorite ones,like my son when he was little,
um, he, I always said he talkedlike Mario from the Mario games.
It's Mario, and because that'swhat he, he was very sing songy
in his when he was really tinyand um, so yeah, I said he
talked like Mario.
So I did a whole uh show abouthim talking like Mario.

(01:18:55):
And then he had a pediatricianthat was quite, had a lot of
expletive-filled responses, evenin the doctor's office, which I
always thought was funny.
And so there's a funny storyabout going to see the

(01:19:16):
pediatrician and thepediatrician saying quite rude
things.
And it was real, it happened.
They weren't being mean oranything, it's just that their
vocabulary was such that theyjust threw these things in when
they were talking to you.
They're like you know, when youwash the baby, you got to wash

(01:19:37):
them from head down to feet.
You don't want your shitty assall over the baby while you're
washing them.
That's funny and it's just verymatter of fact and so forth, and
so I mean that was a wholething, that was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I'm like you.
Oh, okay, sounds good.
Um, this is gonna be funbecause I know, like I said, dwe
gets annoyed by me.
So has there ever been a timethat your co-host got so angry
at you?
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
yeah, really, oh, yeah, many times.
So, um, I don't know that.
I'm so trying to think how tophrase this properly.
He's much more, um, of a fierypersonality than I am.
I'm very, very even right anduh, and so I don't remember ever

(01:20:37):
being so angry with him.
But I know he's been angry withme several times, but the weird
thing is he always shows upevery week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
So, oh, there you go, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
But but there's been many times where I thought, oh
well, I think we're, you knowwe're probably going to be done.
But like I've been friends withthis guy for well over 30 years
at this point, wow, so you know.
But those things happen.
But he's, he's, his um, histemperament is different than
mine.
My temperament is veryeverybody.

(01:21:11):
We need to get along and youknow I'm, I'm the smoother right
, you're the hippie, you're thehippie there you go.
I'm the hippie, he.
He gets you know, upset bycertain things, and and
rightfully so.
To be honest with you, becausewhen you're doing a show like
this it's no fun to be totally,um, empathetic, because if you

(01:21:36):
are, it's boring, so you have tosay things that are not what
you would normally say in politeconversation that's really
funny, because I say exactly thesame thing in every
conversation I have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Indeed, and that's I was gonna say this DW.
I'm sure there are times wherehe got disgusted with me, I
don't know overly everyimpression he does, okay, and
also his I don't know his.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
The thing is he'll get serious and he'll say, oh,
dw is the funniest comedian Iknow and he, you know, the most
honest person, or whatever, andstuff like that.
And yet for some reason,whenever he talks about me or
what I've done, he always triesto add like weird illegal stuff

(01:22:35):
in the midst of it's like, oh,you were smoking at the time.
It's like, no, I don't smoke atall.
It's like, oh, so you weredrunk like no, I don't, I don't
do that either.
Like so, you said kripers, Idon't say kripers are just never

(01:22:58):
accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Oh, he's, but he's, you know he's pushing your
buttons, and that's part of thejoy of doing these kind of
things is yeah, I mean clearlythat's, that's, that's why he's
doing it, obviously yeah whichis funny because his reactions
are literally the same, like Ithink if we saw him on the
street and I and we justwhatever, and I did something

(01:23:22):
disgusting at that justdiscussing in his opinion, at
that point he'd say oh geez, andhe'd just stand there and he'd
be all cool like I don't thinkI've ever seen him angry has.
Has your family seen you angry?
Like angry yeah um it it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
It's been a while okay um, but uh, and I, I get um
, I get frustrated.
I try not to get angry, andespecially with and you have
kids too, so you know what it'slike where you know you're

(01:24:04):
trying to do something that'snot working and they may even be
yelling at you, but to yellback is only going to make
things worse, but to yell backis only going to make things
worse.
So you, I mean, you're notenjoying it, but you're trying
not to get mad.
So I wouldn't say angry, but Ihave gotten, I've got, I've

(01:24:26):
gotten frustrated and it's.
It's been a while since I'vegotten angry.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I would assume my frustrated no, I'm sorry, your
frustrated is my like.
Hold on, let me just I have todo this again.
I would assume that myfrustrated is your blown out
angry, meaning like where you'reat there, I'm just kind of like

(01:24:55):
whatever I have a feelingyou're angry would cause me to
explode type of thing, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
My frustrated would be like you would say that was
frustrated.
That's a sneeze.
What are you talking about?
That's not frustrating.
How do you call that frustrated?
I don't know it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
I mean, I can see it, bob, did you okay?
So you and your co-host, youget along well.
Oh yeah, you get some prettygood moments.
Anything, that was absolutelythe funniest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Oh my God, there's so many funny I couldn't tell you
just one.
I mean, there's so many weirdthings that have happened.
I mean it also you.
There's times where you get inthese kind of giggle fits.
I would call them becausesomething's happening and you

(01:26:00):
know each other and so I don'tknow that it always comes across
in the audio whenever we hitupon these things.
But I mean, there's some stuffthat's just so hilarious to each
, to ourselves, that, uh, peoplehave to suffer through that,
and some of those things are notnecessarily funny on the
surface, but they're very funny,um, to us.

(01:26:20):
I'm trying to think of anexample, but I mean he's you, he
makes up, like you mentioned.
You kind of antagonize DW there, he antagonizes me, and so then
I'll get a little bit like hey,no, no, you know, and then
he'll just keep it up and keepit up and keep it up and keep it
up until it just becomes agiggle fest because it's so

(01:26:43):
ridiculous.
But I'm trying to think of agood example, but nothing's
coming shooting into my head atthe moment, which is terrible
considering that I'm supposed tobe funny well, you're not
supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
We're the ones that are supposed to be funny but
okay, there's time it'd take alittle pressure off you a little
bit there now yeah, no problemyeah, no, yeah, I mean, it's one
of those things.
But you already brought all theparanormal and you pissed off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
That's because I yeah , I'd love to talk about that
stuff.
Uh, miles is not.
I mean, he will talk about it,but not to the extent that I
will.
So this he'd be like can youshut up already?
We already heard your stupidstory about the shadow person.
That's what he would be likewow yeah, he'd cut me off, so

(01:27:35):
that'll be the end of that.
So that's why I love to dothese things where I get to go
on and on about it well, I meanwe're glad you did, because like
I said, you were able to pissoff like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Well, first you were able to like prove a theory that
parents gaslight their children.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That too.
And then obviously you, youpissed off the paranormal
investigators and the psychicsand basically called them all
frauds and that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Not only 50, 50 of them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
So yeah, somewhere in that.
I mean, who knows what thepercentage is, but over 50 yeah
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Well that, that's fair I'm not into absolutes, so
you know what I mean, I can'tsay everybody's a fraud, so yeah
well, you can't say, youshouldn't say, but people would
say and it would yeah that'syeah.
Unfortunately everybody doesthat dw any lingering questions
for bob no, this has been, thishas been great yeah so, bob, um,

(01:28:41):
you know you, you basicallysaid where, where to find, uh,
static radio, but maybe you'dlike to go over it again and
just let let people know wherethey could find show you can
find.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Well, you can find it on any of the aggregators.
So if you go to amazon music orapple or whatever, just look up
static radio.
Um, but static radiocom has allthe shows and at static radio
on the socials very awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
So facebook I'm assuming you have facebook, yeah
yeah, there's something onfacebook.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Uh, miles takes care of that because that seems to be
his hobby is being on facebookand and that kind of stuff.
And I'm yeah, I'm not asenamored with Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Okay, yeah, we have Static Radio on Facebook.
I mean, dw is a lot less methan I am on Facebook, but I'm
not real big on it either.
I don't go on there and postevery place I'm ever going to
perform.
I don't go on there.
It's just not that thing.
People are like, well, you needit for your business or to be

(01:29:52):
more popular.
No, you don't like, you don'tdon't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
And the thing is, facebook is the one I do the
most like.
I don't even do TikTok orInstagram or anything like that,
so I don't do Facebook a lot,but Facebook is the only social
media that I'm on, so yeah, ifyou want to find me, they should
just find me you know, likeactually and see like I handle

(01:30:17):
all the everything like anything, that's yep, anything and um
it's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
It's frustrating people like if you need more
draining.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Dw's trying to tell you it's draining I know well,
and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Forever right?
No?

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
I'm just saying that, that that people are like you
got to do more frequently andI'm like man, I'm tired, you
know, like I, I got a lot goingon.
I get not more frequently, Ican't, you know.
And people always give liketips.
But you need to be like,precise at this point, this
point, this point, to get morepeople to like I, I don't, I
can't.
People always give tips.
You need to be precise at thispoint, this point, this point,
to get more people to I can't dothat.
I got a full-time job and thisand kids.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Exactly, you got to live a life.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Exactly.
Until this pays the bills, Ihave things I have to do to pay
the bills.
There, you go All right, at theend of our show show, we do a
fun little thing because I likeit.
It's called this or that andbasically we just ask you a
question.
You have two choices and that'swhy it's called this or that.

(01:31:19):
So okay, bob, you are you down.
You are you down I'm ready thatall right, cool.
Oh, one more question, dw.
Yeah, do you have a this orthat for bob this week?

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I don't, because it's it's your turn it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah, you had, you had the sleuth I did, didn't I,
you did.
I think you did.
All right, I think this or thatis john or dw is that I think
this or that is John or DW.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Is that the?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
right, we'll get to that, hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
That's one of them.
All right, so you know, Ialways like to start my this or
that you know doing the thing Ilike the most, and that's food.
So, and I always start withbreakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Bob, do you like your eggs scrambled?

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
or over easy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
What if I tell you I don't eat eggs?

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
oh well, I mean, or I don't even eat breakfast.
Well, sausage if I had to pick.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I have had to pick a this or that.
If you made me pick a this orthat, sausage or bacon, that's.
That's the easy one, becausepeople can okay, well, I usually
have it for dinner, but baconokay, um any particular reason,
why not not sausage?

(01:32:36):
bacon is always consistent forthe most part.
Sausage is all over the map andso I like the consistency of
bacon.
I mean some is better than theothers, but I mean sausage.
Who knows what the heck kind ofsausage somebody's going to
throw in that pan and then stickit in your face.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
That's true, all right.
Well, you know you don't likebreakfast, so I'm not going to
ask you breakfast questions.
I'm going to ask you brunchquestions.
And what is the best thing tohave with brunch?
That's alcohol.
So if you're gonna drink, wouldyou drink rum or vodka?

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
um.
I've been historically a rumdrinker okay, yeah, that's
awesome.
Rum's way better wine or beerum, if I, if I was forced, I'd
choose wine over beer okay buthonestly I don't like either one

(01:33:34):
of those drinking at drinkingat breakfast or drinking at
dinner?
Oh no, I don't drink it.
I would at dinner, because yeah, I wouldn't so you wouldn't
have a bloody mary no too, muchtoo many, too many things going
on there you're missing out, man, because yeah I mean, that's

(01:33:57):
what everybody tells me.
They tell me that a lot.
They tell me I'm missing out alot.
But and you know what I say-huh more for you.
What do you care?

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
yeah, that's true.
If you were good, okay.
So you, you're done with brunchand you're like I gotta, I
gotta go somewhere, I gotta dosomething, say you're, you had
to travel, just right, likespontaneously had to travel.
Would you drive or would youfly?

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
well, it depends on where I'm going.
Um, I do.
If I'm going, you know, a bigdistance, I'd rather fly, but I
hate flying as a as a rule.
Um, so it really depends, butI'll suffer through flying if
it's a really far distance.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Otherwise, if it's not, if it's just like a cross
state, I'll just drive awesomeand this vacation that you're
taking, that you're maybedriving or maybe flying to do
you think you'd be going to awonderful las vegas, nevada or
new orleans during mardi grasI've been places and I can

(01:35:10):
honestly say I'd rather go athird place.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I actually much more enjoyed Biloxi than I did.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
New Orleans, Really yeah and that's weird I mean
whatever trips you trigger, Iguess yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah
all right.
So your third option?
Your third option is would yourather go to disney world or
universal studios?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
universal studios.
I think disney has it on thatone.
I've been to both, uh, overtime and you know you just can't
be disney.
They really, you know I meanit's expensive.
Both of them are expensive asall get out, but disney really
puts the work in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
You know, universal isn't also ran to disney if you
think about, you know, the ridesand stuff that's usually
happens at disney first, andthen it happens over there um,
okay, well, so you went onvacation, you came back, you're,
you're home, you're sittingdown, you're gonna start

(01:36:23):
watching tv and two programscome on, and the two programs
come on.
And the two programs areSeinfeld or the Office.
Which one do you choose?

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
I probably watch Seinfeld.
I've watched both of them.
I think I've watched all ofboth of them.
But Seinfeld is kind of a go-tokind of show.
I mean, you know there's somuch going on and I've already
immersed into the thing Office.
Sometimes it's a miss.

(01:36:52):
I'll do my larry david prettypretty good.
Yeah, the office is pretty goodokay now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Okay, Now everybody loves.
Raymond or Kevin can wait.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
I've actually watched Kevin can wait all the way
through and I have not watchedall of.
Everybody loves Raymond, soI'll go.
Kevin can wait.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Oh, wow, that's.
That's a shocker that one camefrom nowhere.
I can't believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Wow, very cool all right, that weird.
That's a weird thing to admit.
Maybe that was negative, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
I'm gonna put myself in the line here and say this
one this is the one one that's awhole lot of fun.
John Olson or Ed Gein.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
We have to clarify, john, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I mean just hanging out.
You're not going to be sittingon my chair.
Oh well then.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
I'm not hanging out with Ed Gein, I can tell you
that right now.
I was going to say come on overthen I'm not hanging out with
ed gein.
I can tell you that right now Iwas gonna say you're not like,
come on over, sit on my humanfurniture.
Yeah, are we going to prisontogether?
I might pick ed gein, becausewe're palling around might be a
good guy to have okay, fair newcorner.
You know what I mean ed Itotally understand why you did

(01:38:25):
all this I'm with you you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
I don't know, I don't know if that would be a wise
choice, because I feel like Iwant you to get a taste for
human, I mean there's really areyou really good?

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
so you're telling me that you'd be valuable in prison
.
Okay, that's good to know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
John, I appreciate that I think so all right.
Well, I don't know if that wasa win or not, but I'm gonna take
it that I was chosen over edgein, so yeah, well barely.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
He had a follow-up question right, I had to have a
clarifier exactly, yeah, oh well, uh well, bob, thank you for
coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Man man, this was a lot of fun, it was enjoyable.
You were extremely informing,like informative.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Well, you can think about it and look stuff up and
then next week you can say God,that guy was so full of crap.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
I don't know.
No, we don't really hold thatmany opinions.
I don't think there's ever beenanybody that we've ever came
back and were like, nah, theywere.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
I have.
That'd be good.
There have been a few whereit's like halfway through it was
like alright, I'm pretty surenothing this person says is true
.
But again, that's just me, Idon't know.
Good old DWC.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Both of y'all pissing everybody off today.
That's cool, I don't care, Imean, that's all right, the show
must go on, am I right?
And you know?
Until now, because you knowwhat that means.
Dw.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
I know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
And you guys know what that means.
It means that you guys havebeen amazing.
We have been Scalarius, we areout Later.

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