Ep. 86 Dead Slots & Ghost Spots: Las Vegas Soul Searchers Paranormal

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
what's going on?
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen, and with me, as always,
is my good friend dw serene what?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
no uh initials?
No uh definition of the wow.
That's weird, jeez I I usuallydo this after you say your thing
, but you didn't have one today.
That's weird.
What's are you feeling allright?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
uh, well, you know we'll talk later um, but uh, you
know you, you haven't sold itfor forever, so I you know, yeah
, I try, sorry, okay, so sosince you haven't sold it, I
figured I would blow everybody'smind.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It'd just be nice all right, yeah, that is.
It's throwing me off.
Yeah for sure, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I mean that's not entirely true because you know,
like I don't know if anybodyreally knows this, but you know,
here on the old Scalariuspodcast I play a character who's
kind of a dick and I meansincerely it's a character.
I mean his name is John Olsenand whatever, but he's still not
it's a character.
I mean his name is John Wilsonand whatever, but he's still not
.
It's not me, not entirely, buttoday I figured I would kind of

(01:56):
be me, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Me, me.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
And do this kind of I don't know straight-laced, what
do you think?
Okay, wow, yeah, I know, threwyou way off, didn't I?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
80 shows in.
Is not the time to startchanging things?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
80 sticks.
But you know, whatever, that'sthe part you focus on, yeah.
Okay, anyway.
You know, sometimes you've gotto do something to shake things
up.
You know, here's the thing.
I'm the one saying it this time.
What do you think of that?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You're really throwing.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Flip, yeah, flipping the whole script today.
But you know how can you missus if we don't go away right?
And you know there's let's justsay this me we're, I'm gonna

(02:59):
say this, enough of this, andthen we're gonna move on and and
do the fun stuff.
But uh, myself and dw are gonnahave to have a long talk here,
uh, not too long from now, andwe are going to decide some
things yeah yeah, but anyway.

(03:19):
So, um, like the whole like howcan you miss us if we don't go
away, thing, like I just therehas been a I'm not going to
point any fingers in any realdirection, I'll just say this
probably south, but there hasbeen a shift, monumental shift

(03:45):
in this show, in engagement andthings like that, and it's
concerning, but also at the sametime, you know, I call it kind
of par for the course, so tospeak, of par for the course, so

(04:09):
to speak, when uh, if you uhhave been listening at all for
the last few weeks, my uh turn,so to speak, from from heel to
baby face and in a, in aspiritual way, uh has been.
You know, that's kind of thething and you kind of expect
people to maybe not agree withall that stuff.
So, anyway, big picture typethings are coming ahead and

(04:35):
everything else, but until then,myself and DW have a lot of
pretty cool shows coming up andwe're going to start off with
this pretty cool one we havetoday.
But hey, don't think that thisis the end of this part, because

(04:59):
there's something that I forgotto do.
Oh there you go there we go, andmine is, surprisingly enough, a
non-alcoholic beverage of uh,starburst sparkling ice oh okay,
it's water.
So I mean, yeah, 0 for 2 on thecool part there today, right?

(05:25):
Oh well, alright.
So how's things going in SereneManor there?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
D-Dubs you know I they're going good.
I am trying to remember howlong it's been since we've done
this, because I don't know ifwe've talked since um elf
clausen passed away and that'skind of a for us, that's kind of

(05:57):
a big deal because he was theuh composer of the Simpsons for
many years, yep.
And also a few other TV showsand movies, notably Naked Gun,
yep, another favorite of mineand also I didn't realize this

(06:17):
until recently born in Minnesota, mm-hmm From Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Alf Claussen.
Yeah, I mean, you couldn't getmuch more Norwegian than that,
could you?
Or actually it could be Germantoo, but either way but yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
But, yeah, he was, I mean for the first, what 25 some
seasons, 25 some seasons likethe soul, and also wrote some of
those favorites, like we putthe spring in Springfield.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, just don't look Paul Anka and Lisa.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
But I think the composer, like the musical thing
, was Alpha Clause and I thinkthe composer, like the musical
thing was, was Alphaclass, yeah,and and I'm, I think the the
theme song.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yep, well, that's Danny Elfman.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh right.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
But anyway, I just thought I mean that's, he was
very, he's very, I don't knowhow integral, but a big part of
the success I would feel.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah talking 36 years , 36 full years of successes.
But in speaking of 36 fullyears of Simpsons and things
like that, you know Alf Clausenwas not the only person to pass
away in the Simpsons universerecently.
Rest in peace, marge.

(07:50):
Oh, but I don't want to spoilit for anybody.
It was a flash forward, so it'syears away, but they did
actually kill off marge simpson,so you gotta go back and watch
the last episode uh season, uh36 finale either way but um, but

(08:17):
yeah and uh.
Simpsons man, I love thesimpsons dw I.
I'm a big Simpsons fan.
Everybody's like well, familyGuy's better.
Family Guy is racier for sure,but it's better.
The crossover was pretty badassand I enjoyed that.

(08:38):
Speaking of crossovers, we dida crossover on our last episode
and that was with Static RadioPodcast.
It was pretty awesome.
Bob Lament is a prettyintelligent guy.
He had a lot of very coolinsight.

(09:00):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
I enjoyed it it was yeah, you,yeah, you can't, you can't beat
somebody who, like in 85episodes, essentially finally
says, yeah, parents gaslighttheir kids right.
So, yeah, yeah it was, it waspretty awesome.

(09:22):
But but anyway, we're this farinto the series, I guess, of
Scalarius and we're this farinto the episode and everybody
kind of knows what happens atthis point, and that's probably
where we let you know where tofind us and I'll just say this
you can find DW, dw SereneComedian, on Facebook.

(09:45):
You can find me at John OlsonComedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both together.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
But we're not a couple.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
No, we're not, but together on the Scalarius
Facebook page.
Also, we do have a TikTok,scalarius8, and Instagram.
But yeah, if you want to get ahold of us, something nice for
once would be great.
But if you want to get a holdof us, do so at sclariospod, at

(10:13):
gmailcom, and if you want to andonly if you want to you can go
back and listen to every singleepisode that we had at
sclariospodbuzzsproutcom.
And while you're there, I'massuming maybe there's some
sclarious gear you might want,right?

(10:33):
Yeah, yeah, um, you could dothat.
Just go to like crowdmadecomforward slash collections,
forward slash scerias pod andyou can get yourself all sorts
of really cool t-shirts andwhatever.
You don't want a hoodie rightnow, unless you're a weird
teenager, but, um, yeah, no, youcan get all sorts of t-shirts.

(10:59):
And then there's hats, you know, uh, I didn't make the swimming
stuff, you Just whatever.
It would sound stupid, but yeah, you can.
You know, dw, if you were goingto get a t-shirt today, which
t-shirt would you get?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
If I were going to get one, I would probably get
the I have no idea who JohnOlsen is t-shirt.
I think that's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, fair enough.
You know, I think I would getthe old Kripers one, because,
even though you hold on, eventhough you don't really say it,
it is one of the fun things forme to okay, I'm going to put
this in quotation marks horriblybutcher your impression.

(11:44):
Yeah, but the old Kripers is awhole lot of fun.
Um, yeah, get that one.
Or we have hats and andcoasters, but they're not
coasters, they're coasters.
And also, you know, you can getuh, collars and leashes for
your pets.
Uh, collars and leashes foryour pets, yeah, just your pets.

(12:07):
And then you could also get,you know, the pet bowl and stuff
like that.
So if you want to do that, dw,where would they go.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
They go to Crowdmade.
The way I would do it is you goto Crowdmade and then search
for Scalarius.
You can do the full addressthat John was talking about, or
you can just go to Crowdmadesearch for Scolarius.
You can do the full addressthat John was talking about, or
you can just go to Crowdmadesearch for Scolarius.
I'm pretty sure we're the firstthing that comes up.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah you know, if you want to do it the easy way, I
suppose, if you want the easyway out, do DW's way.
But if you want to, you know,put your work in like us Gen
Xers have done, put your work inlike us gen xers have done.
You, uh, you go to crowdmadecom, forward slash collections,

(12:51):
forward slash scolarius pod, andyou can find all that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, dw, I might do that.
You know what I might do, thatI might I might go and I might
get, get some my own, my my ownscolarius gear.
Because you know, you know,usually, before I go anywhere,
before I go on to a holiday, soto speak, an escapade, I usually

(13:14):
get new clothes, specificallynew underwear.
That's kind of the way.
Underwear and socks always.
It's kind of a weird thing, man, considering the fact that I've
done a lot of road gigs, I'vegot a lot of underwear.
So little fun fact, you guys,that was more than we needed to
know.
Well, whatever, but, um, butyeah, so, and I'm planning to

(13:38):
take a trip at DW, I just wantyou to know this oh, are you
going to?
Yeah, we did not have a date,okay, but we are booking, okay,
it is.
I feel I can say this on here,if not too bad.

(14:00):
Um, I guess it's for me, but weare going to tie the knot.
Dw and we're going to do thetrip and the honeymoon kind of
all at once.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
And if you I don't know if you wanted to go get
married and have a really funhoneymoon, where would you go?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Um all at once all at once DW you're.
You're telling me where shouldI, where would I go if I could
do like a destination wedding?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm just saying, if you were just the average person
and you hooked up with yourlady and you want to get married
, you want to get married rightnow.
Just say hypothetically youhooked up with this lady 15
minutes ago and you wanted toget married right now doesn't
sound like me, but yeah okay,and you could have your, your

(15:02):
marriage, your you, your weddingand your honeymoon all in one
place.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I Okay, are we assuming how much?
What's my budget here?
What do I have to work withyour budget is Because that
makes a difference.
If it's like a million dollars,I'm going to Paris and we're
like renting out the EiffelTower.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
We're gonna make this very, very easy, because I'm
trying to lead you to water, butthis horse ain't going nowhere.
Okay, here's right.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
All right, you have, oh and what time of year also.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Not summer, apparently.
Okay, yes, but okay, so listenyou need here?
Okay, you have money.
You have a little bit of money,some of the money you're going
to spend on the wedding andtreating your lady right, but
the other money you're going tospend, I don't know gambling For

(16:05):
long periods.
Oh yeah, somebody caught it now, so DW our guest today.
Oh man, it took forever to gethere, but it's okay, all right,
that's why we don't endorsethings.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Because it takes you forever to get to the point I
was getting.
And please say this is notwhere you are actually getting
married, you're just, we'regoing to talk about that later,
okay, anyway.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So all right, are you ready for this?
I'm ready, okay, um, I love LasVegas, I do.
I love Las Vegas Everyeverything I do.
I love Las Vegas Everything,well, almost everything about it
.
It's a born a good Christian.
I don't like a whole lot of it,but I love Las Vegas.
All right, and with that beingsaid, I also kind of like the

(16:54):
paranormal too, and you know, Ijust happened to hit up this
person.
He had the logo of his group isliterally the Las Vegas sign.
Okay, so how would I not like?
I love Vegas, I love theparanormal.
Why would I not reach out?
Right, so I did, and I want towelcome on Mike from Las Vegas

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Soul Searchers.
Paranormal Mike, how's it going?
I'm good, how about yourself?
I'm doing?
Okay, I'm doing okay.
DW is we're good.
He's playing along.
Today we have both blown everyall four of you listeners lines

(17:37):
your minds, and then we alsoblew each other's minds today.
So he's playing along.
He's freaked out on nice.
You know, I don't know.
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, all right, mike , all right.
So obviously you're from LasVegas, you are, you're there and
you're going to talk to usabout your, your group and how
it was formed, and obviouslywe're going to have a lot of
questions along the way.
But first of all, mike, how didyou get into the paranormal?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Okay, try to make a long story short.
So I never believed in theparanormal.
I've always been a skeptic mywhole life.
And my youngest son, he, grewup watching, uh, ghost
adventures.
Okay, and I sit there and watchit with him and and I'm going

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in my mind because I don't wantto ruin what he's got going on
his impression of the show wellman, this is, uh, this is
overboard.
You know the reactions andstuff they're getting and so
when I retire sorry, I was gonnasay, it is yeah, yeah so when I

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retired I actually moved to lasvegas.
I'm originally from california,so when I retired I moved here,
my to Las Vegas.
I'm originally from California.
So when I retired I moved here.
My friend who is also fromCalifornia.
He retired and he had a weeklyradio show on the paranormal in
Santa Cruz, california, and hewas already doing the paranormal

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stuff and I always wanted tofind out for myself after being
a skeptic.
So I hooked up with him and Idid my first real paranormal
investigation with him here atAntonepah at the Clown Motel,
and without even thinking aboutanything I had my first

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experience and so after thatit's just been going and going.
And now I've had so manydifferent experiences and things
happen and stuff I can'texplain.
I do believe that there issomething out there.
Now I can't tell you what it is, but I believe now that a lot

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of stuff I saw on TV with my kida lot of it was probably true,
Maybe a little bitover-exaggerated as far as their
reactions, but there'ssomething to it and that's how I
basically got into it.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's pretty awesome .
Does that include aliens?
I mean, you're in Vegas it.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's pretty awesome.
Does that include aliens?
I mean, you're in vegas.
I've always been into aliens.
I mean, have I seen any or hadany experience with aliens?
No, I mean, I'm always like.
The roswell incident reallyreally is where I started
reading and that's sparked myinterest on that.
I was just out, took amotorcycle ride out to, uh, the
extraterrestrial highway andstopped in rachel uh last week a
couple weeks ago actually anduh, you know that's all alien

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themed and I was right there atthe dirt road that leads right
to the back gate of area 51.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
So yeah, I'm into it so let me ask you this you, you
said you weren't a believer, youwere a skeptic, but you were
cool with ufos.
How does how does that work?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
well, the ufos was the same kind of thing.
I don't know if I believed whatI was interested in you know
what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
So, and that's where I am,because I don't have any
experience with with aliens orufos.
Do I believe that in this great, big, vast universe, that we're
the only life form in it?
No, I believe there's otherthings out there.

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So right now it's more of aninterest than a believing.
You know what I mean.
Does that make sense?
Yeah absolutely.
I do believe that there is otherlife out there, because this
universe is too big to just sayour little.
Is other life out there?
Because this universe is toobig to just say our little tiny
ball floating out there is theonly one that's able to sustain

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any kind of life.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I mean, that's true, but you have to realize, like,
if that's the case, then this,an alien civilization, is
probably five or six, you know,centuries ahead of us.
You know what I mean, becauseif they're able to travel
distances that we've never eventhought of, you know, um,

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there's some pretty smart peopleon this planet, you know what I
mean there was at least.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, how do you know ?
We're just not a big thing intheir test, in their lab, like a
little test project in theirlab, you don't know.
See this, our whole, our wholeworld right now could just be
set floating in somebody's lab.
The whole universe could justbe floating in a bigger lab
somewhere, you don't know.
The possibilities are endlesswhen you think about it, right?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right, right, it's like the Men in Black, the end
scene with the locker.
Essentially that's what he'sexplaining.
Yeah, it's just, it's a smallworld kid.
I think I can't do it withTommy Lee Jones, thankfully, but
yeah, but all right.
So you said you're originallyfrom California.
When did you move to Vegas?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Almost six years ago.
Oh, really Just kind of new.
Okay, very cool.
Yeah, yeah what part ofCalifornia?
Were you Southern?
I was from the Central Valley.
I was from the Modesto area.
Okay, I'm familiar with Modesto, yeah, but I was 70 miles from
Yosemite and 90 miles from sanfrancisco, right in the valley
there oh wow, yeah.

(23:27):
And then I grew.
I actually grew up in santacruz, california, on the coast.
I didn't move to the centralvalley till I was a sophomore in
high school nice yeah, that's,uh, that's pretty nice.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I love coastal cal California, especially southern,
more northern California.
The Niners Okay, yeah, alright,I just want to let you know we
might as well get into it.
I'm a Raiders fan.

(24:03):
I'm sorry, it's ironic becauseyour hometown team now is the
Raiders.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yes, I went down there last year for the
preseason when the Niners werein town.
Yeah, I won't go back to thatstadium.
It's a hot mess.
I didn't enjoy it at all.
I love Candlestick.
I miss Candlestick.

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I love Candlestick Park.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, man, you know, I suppose they're oh, wow, we
could probably do a wholeepisode just on ballparks and
whatever.
I can almost guarantee you,like I'm especially ballparks,
that that were, that are and orwere uh football fields, you
know, like the oakland, uh, theoakland coliseum, or whatever,

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and then you had, yeah, socandlestick uh, I was, I was.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
I was in oak Oakland a couple years ago for an A's
game.
Oh nice, yeah.
So Now again, I'm an Angels fan, but my son is a Red Sox fan
and he's still in California.
They were playing the Red Sox,so I'll go and that's why I like
them coming to Vegas the A's,because whenever the Angels are
in town I can actually go.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't have to Vegas A's, because whenever the
Angels are in town, I canactually go drive four hours.
I know that's kind of crazy.
I did not know we were going tohead in this direction, but
it's a fun direction to go in.
Yeah, both of those teams fromOakland ended up in Las Vegas.
Obviously it's a money deal.
Las Vegas doesn't need any moretourism.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
No, when they're putting this stuff.
It's just going to create morechaos.
I mean, the a stadium is goingright across the street from uh
x caliber, yeah the tropicanathe tropicana site?
Yes, and, and I matter of fact,I was down there for the
implosion that night but that'strue yeah my video online of the

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implosion.
But and right across the 15, notfar is is, is the, you know.
And then, just not far from thea's, where the a's are going,
is t-mobile, where the goldenknights play, so it just creates
a bunch of chaos down there.
Whenever there's a game andheaven forbid that there's one
or two of these events going onat the same time it's going to

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be a mess.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Vegas is scary as it is, and we're going to get into
that too see what I did there.
But it's even worse when thingslike that because I remember it
was I think it was 2018 orsomething Um had to have been,
uh, but it was the last time Iwas in.
Vegas and, uh, it was me and thekids and my now ex-wife and my

(27:00):
kids are like they were young atthe time and my kids are like
they were young at the time andwe were kind of we went to
Excalibur and I think the GoldenKnights let out and it was not.
Yeah, that was not fun,especially having two little
kids with.
Yeah, it was not good yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I mean everybody just jams right in that big area,
right there, after after less, Ican't even concerts they have
there.
I mean, when I went to seeAlanis Morse, that there and
tool there a couple years agoand just walking out of that
place was a nightmare it was, ohmy god, took me an hour just to
get to my car across the street.
It's not.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I mean, I can talk about vegas and everything about
it all day.
It's going to ruin the uh, thisor that today, but whatever,
that's neither here nor there.
So we I got to ask what's thescariest thing that you've
encountered in Vegas?

Speaker 4 (27:58):
I mean besides the In Vegas, or just paranormal
investigation?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Ooh, is there a paranormal investigation that
happened in las vegas.
That was scary, or I mean, areyou talking like well, I mean I
had experiences.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I mean a lot of my, a lot of my stuff is is outside
of las vegas, because trying toget things in las vegas is
almost impossible.
It's just, I mean a lot ofplaces won't cooperate with you,
a lot of places don't want to,you know, once you bringing all
your stuff in and all that stuff.
So there's been a, there's beenone in particular that was

(28:35):
outside and kept back inCalifornia, but I think the most
scariest in Vegas is, um, Iguess I was at the apache hotel
and yeah, and I I don't reallyget freaked out as part of
binions now, but it's but um, wewere in the.
There's one room on the fourthfloor, just one room, and you

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can rent that out, but the onlything you go, the elevator only
goes the third floor and thenthere's a stairwell that goes up
to this one room at the fourthfloor.
So you got to go to the thirdfloor, walk up this stairwell to
the fourth floor and then, whenyou get to the top of the
stairwell, there's a door infront of you and door to the
right.
The door to the right is theroom.
The door in front of you goesinto the old count room and all

(29:22):
the other areas where they got aroom with drains in it and
stuff you know, and the mafiaowned it and stuff you know I
don't know.
So they won't let me go backthere.
I want to investigate backthere but they so I went into
the room, kelly and I myparanormal partner.
We went into the room, we rentedthe room for the night, we did
investigation and we decidedwe're going to use the Estes

(29:44):
method and that's where you putnoise-canceling headphones on,
hooked to the spirit box.
One person is in another roomand the other person is in
another area asking questions.
If I have the headphones on, Ishout out anything I hear come
across the spirit box, seeing ifit pertains to any of the

(30:05):
questions she asked.
Well, I went in the closetbecause it's only one room and I
was away from everything.
I'm sitting in the closet, Igot my REM pod sitting next to
me and I had my headphones onand sitting there and shouted
out a couple responses I got.
Next thing I know from thecorner of my side I see my REM

(30:27):
pod start blinking and then itfelt like something rubbed
itself down my neck.
I jumped so fast out of thatcloset.
I screamed like a little girland jumped out of the closet.
I go, kelly, something justtouched me.
I'm going, what's going on inhere?
And I was kind of freaked outbecause that was the first time
I've ever not the first timeI've ever been touched, but the
first time where it felt likesomething was touching me you

(30:50):
know what I mean Like not justlike a spider or a web on me,
but something physical hadtouched me and it freaked me out
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I can see why.
I've been touched, you know.
Know, like by ghosts orwhatever, not in the dan akroyd
way, but, like you know, touchand it feels weird, it's.
It's a different type offeeling than what, yeah, yeah,
so it feels.
It feels transparent, but also,at the same time, physical,

(31:25):
like you.
Could you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
well, this one I've had, you know like I've had like
I feel like spy, like you runinto a spider web or a spider
crawl on you and I felt that andwith in the video after you
feel it you can see like an orbor something flying away.
But this one wasn't like that.
This felt like somethingactually grabbed me right right
here, just like this, like areal, real object had grabbed me

(31:49):
, just like I could feel thepressure.
So it was kind of freaked meout a little bit damn.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so that was that your scariest like ever in?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
no, no, I mean I, I have a video online and, um,
it's from the jamestown hotel incalifornia and, out of all my
four or five years ofinvestigating, this is a place I
will never go back into.
But I don't remember the actualevent, but it's on video and it
looks like I was possessed bysomething and, uh, that was a

(32:26):
two-day investigation and I hadstuff going on both days, you
know.
You know stuff that I couldn'texplain, like I'm sitting in a
chair talking and it felt likesomebody just poked their finger
in my ribs and I doubled overin pain.
And then, you know, I wentupstairs take a nap in my room

(32:49):
because I was tired andJamestown is only 20 miles from
where I'm.
You know the Central Valleywhere I live.
It's right down the road, so Iknow the area well, so I'm
laying.
I went and took a nap.
I woke up from my nap and Istarted freaking out because I
didn't know where I was.
I'm looking around the roomlike where am I?
What am I doing?

(33:10):
We're like just, I had no cluewhere I was.
It took me at least 35, 40seconds to realize I was in
Jamestown.
So that was kind of scary to mebecause I had no clue where I
was.
And the first night we went downinto the basement and do an
investigation, right, and youknow, really didn't get anything

(33:32):
.
I kind of felt something, apresence down there.
Well, I didn't really.
We didn't get anything becausethere was like three or four of
us in this basement and so weleft and we started doing other
things and ended the night.
Well, the next night I decidedI want to go down in this
basement by myself.
I don't know why I wanted todown there by myself, but

(33:52):
something was drawing me down tothe basement.
So I went, I wandered off andwent down there by myself and
it's dark down there, didn'thave lights on and one.
There's a little wine cellaroff to the left and in the
bigger room off to the rightthere's a big reefer in the
corner and you know big openspace where they use for storage
, and behind the reefer there'sa space just big enough to crawl

(34:13):
back into the back corner.
I mean, walk back into, notcrawl.
And so I go, I'm gonna go backthere and see.
And I started walking there andI got halfway across the room
and I stopped dead in my tracksand I felt like something didn't
want me to go back there, andthis was relatively new to
paranormal stuff.
So I said you know, I you know.

(34:34):
So I forged on and went backthere, and that's the last thing
I remember.
The next thing I remember I'm upthe top in the bar area, which
is just around the corner fromwhere the stairs are for the
basement, and I'm in there andI'm looking around, like just
looking around, and then I justsuddenly heard my buddy, paul,

(34:56):
go Mike, are you okay?
Mike, are you okay?
And then it dawned on me okay.
And then I said man, I askedwhat, what the F just happened?
And he said well, it looks likeyou were possessed.
So I don't know, that's all Iknow.
I don't remember anything tohappen, but it's on video, paul.
Paul had the recordedeverything.

(35:20):
So that's all that you can doit's on my youtube talk, yeah,
but, and then, if you see me,I'm a little heavier there.
I was your guy back then, butit's me.
And then, uh, ghost adventuresI guess the gal that was with me
posted it on her tiktok and itgot like 300 000 views.

(35:41):
And about three years ago,ghost adventures got a hold of
me the producer and asked me ifthey go to Jamestown, would I be
interested in coming back?
And so I agreed, but then Inever heard anything else.
And two years later fast forwardto two years they go.
Hey, we're going to Jamestown,will you still be willing to
come up here?
And I did.
And I did, and I went in there.

(36:04):
And after what?
After I walked out and I toldhim I'm not going back in there,
I'm done with this place andI'll never go back in there,
cause whatever it was was stillaffecting me two years later.
And so they that that thatepisode filmed a year ago, a
year ago, june, and it stillhasn't't aired.

(36:24):
So I don't know.
So if, look for ghostadventures, jamestown, if it
ever airs.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
So oh, yeah, well, good for you, man, good for you.
That's pretty badass.
Well, I mean, it's kind of cooland you figured it would make
for good tv, right?
If you like, if you're the guythat they want to like, have you
know, come up there and talk,or there and talk or whatever.
Then you're like no, I'm notgoing back in there, it's going
to make for good TV.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Well, they wanted me to go back in there at the end
of the night and they call themhero shots, take some pictures.
And I said, no, you can takeall the pictures you want out
here in the parking lot or inthe street, but I ain't going
back.
Wow, done with that place.
Some something there don't likeme.
People can go in and out, haveanything affect them, but it
seems like every time I walkinto that place there's some bad

(37:09):
energy that I don't.
I'm not.
I don't know if it's personalor not, but it doesn't like me
and I can feel it.
Last time I was in there withghost adventures, I felt it
trying to attach to me and I wasdone.
I walked out.
I don't need this.
So that's one place on myadventures.

(37:30):
I will not go back.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Wow, I mean okay, so that one got you You're not
going to go back.
There's obviously some.
Is there a location that youhave investigated many times
that you like going back to?
I love the Washoe.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Club.
I've done it in Virginia City.
I've done it three times, and Imean always always something
going on in there.
And the last time I went inthere my group left.
They didn't leave for the nightbut they wanted to go down to
the little spot opened up andget a beer and some pizza.
And it's like two o'clock inthe morning and washoe club at

(38:12):
the door.
When you're done for theevening or when you're leaving,
you have to lock it from theoutside.
So if you want to take a breakand go down down the restroom or
something down right down theroad there, somebody's got to
stay inside to lock it from theinside.
They let everybody else back in.
So I decided everybody wantedto take off.
I said, okay, I'll stay here.
So I was locked down there twohours by myself at like 2 am in

(38:35):
the morning.
Wow around and it was eerie,but I really didn't have any.
It's funny because before theyleft we were getting some
responses, but when I was lockedin there for the two hours by
myself I didn't.
I didn't have any.
It's funny because before theyleft we were getting some
responses, but when I was lockedin there for the two hours by
myself I didn't feel anything.
I mean I was on edge because Iwas locked in this big
three-story dark building bymyself.
You know Right.

(38:56):
But I've had a lot ofexperiences.
I got scratched in there in myback, so I didn't even realize
it until my partner said hey,lift up the back of your shirt.
I did and she starts freakingout.
And I didn't even know what shewas freaking out.
I'm going what, what, what?
I'm looking behind me and she'sgoing oh, my god.
I said what you know.
I thought I was dying orsomething, the way she was

(39:17):
reacting.
So I mean, I suppose the scratchis kind of like if it appears
out of nowhere you know what Imean like well I had my I had, I
had my vest on and you know, Icarry a like a load-bearing vest
so I can put a bunch ofequipment in there so I don't
have to keep running back andforth.
And so I had that on and asweatshirt, because it was in

(39:39):
the winter time and there's noway anything could have
scratched me.
So I'm not sure what it wasdamn okay.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, you, you get have some experiences, I.
And how long did you say you'vebeen doing this?

Speaker 4 (39:59):
since I retired probably about a little over
five years now and and what'sweird is is ever since the
jamestown episode, I I feel Ilike before I started doing it,
you know, I didn't really I'vedone like a couple small
investigations and but sincejamestown I start feeling like

(40:20):
out of nowhere emotions and andfeel like energy, and so I mean
there's times doinginvestigations where it was just
so, so overwhelming that Ithere's one time I actually
broke down crying.
I'm going I don't know why, butI did, I actually broke down
crying, and that was at thewashoe club right after.

(40:41):
I believe who I was contactingwas Debbie Constantino.
So, yeah, so that was veryemotional.
And then the first time we went,kelly was staying at the Silver
Queen and that's like an oldhotel, I mean, it's, you know,
1800s, and the room still lookedlike that, with the exception
of the plumbing and stuff, andthe stairs are still straight up

(41:03):
like that.
So we went down to her room,jeff and I, my other partner, we
went down to her room and wewere smoking a joke.
And I walked in the restroom, Iwalk out and there's a chair in
the corner and I sat down in thechair and we're having a good
time and all of a sudden I justfelt really really sad.
I got quiet and I just felt andthey're going, mike, what's

(41:26):
going on?
I said, oh no, I go.
But I feel really really sadright now.
And there was no reason for meto feel sad, but I, you know, so
I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
So like I think you picked up something, you got
sensitive.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I want to say yes, but I'm not 100% sure.
All I know is something changedafter the Jamestown Hotel.
For me personally, I canusually walk into a room and I
can tell Kelly I go, yeah, Ifeel energy in here, I feel
something in here, and then whenwe start investigating, we'll
start catching little thingshere and there.

(42:05):
Or I could walk into a room andsay, well, it's pretty quiet in
here, I don't feel anything.
And a couple of times, yeah, wecaught some stuff where I don't
feel anything.
But almost every time when Isaid I feel, feel something,
feel energy, we start getting alot of good evidence.
So I don't know energy.

(42:26):
We start getting a lot of goodevidence.
So I don't know, I can'texplain it, I don't know what it
is, but I do feel emotions alot.
I think I I channel emotions alot, and a lot of it, most of it
, is very, very sad.
Damn.
I've never experienced a happyemotion that's see, that's what
sucks.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I mean, you get all of a sudden you know, know, you
get sensitive to like spirits orwhatever, and then they're all
sad ones.
You never get anybody.
That's like jolly and you can't.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, you know I've never had a happy.
It's all been sad and I don'tknow.
I don't know if that's becausethe way they died, or if just
being stuck in whateverpurgatory or whatever they're
stuck in is just depressing tothem or something.
I don't know Damn.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hmm, that's yeah, that's messed up, do you?
Do you do just publicinvestigations, or have you done
private?

Speaker 4 (43:26):
We've done a few private homes.
I like, like just last week, Iwant to Kelly, my paranormal.
Everybody calls her myparanormal wife because we're
always together for paranormalstuff, even when we go out of
town.
So she's actually just myparanormal partner.
We did a friend of hers house.
Her, her friend, was getting,uh, felt like in the middle of

(43:48):
the night she was gettingtouched in her bed.
So we went over there and wedid just a couple weeks ago we
did an investigation of herbedroom and we were doing an evp
session and I was askingquestions.
We're asking questions and weplayed it back and I forget what
the first question was, butyou're very, very faint, yes, in

(44:09):
the background.
After we played it back andthen I asked are you the one
touching Michelle?
And, um, clear as day, a femalevoice comes across and goes yes
, and so that was oh, my god,we're all going.
Wow, we got this, you know,just answer to our question.
And then we walked out of herroom.

(44:30):
We're in the hallway where Ihad all my gear stage.
I had my camera set up in thecorner of the room, looking in
the room and I had.
I don't know if you'd ever seenthe para bell.
But it's a, it's a, it's a, it'slike a hotel bell yeah yeah,
yeah, but it sits on a box andyou can charge it and you can
change the the levels of thesensitivity on it.

(44:52):
I had that sitting on the thegal's nightstand and the camera
where you can hear us talkingoutside the room.
All of a sudden, you see thisorb starts flashing and moving
down to like toward where thecamera is.
Then it moves across the bedand toward the bell and you can
hear the bell go clink and asit's shooting off into the

(45:13):
bathroom.
So it actually moved to thebell and you actually hear the
sound of the bell as and then itflew off.
You can see it flying off intothe bathroom.
So we did get a couple goodpieces of evidence there huh and
that and then we, you know wedid a couple other private
residents with, with, with somestuff, but not a lot are these

(45:35):
newer homes or older?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
because, okay, because I think las vegas, in in
the area, it's ever expandingright.
So are these newer homes orolder?

Speaker 4 (45:44):
to the area well, one of them was probably built in
the maybe 70s, but the one wedid where that happened was
definitely a 90s, mid 90s house,just like mine.
So, okay, yeah, so, and thatone was off in henderson okay,
yeah, so complete oppositedirection.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
But yeah, way on the other side for me all right.
So, um, that's.
That's brings up an interestingpoint.
You're in las vegas.
A lot of people just end updisappeared, um around there,
and a lot of housing went up ina very kind of I mean short

(46:24):
period of time.
If you think about it, so is itstupid to think that there's a
lot of bodies just under a lotof these houses?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I mean, if they were very deep, probably you probably
wouldn't even know they werethere.
But they'd have to be burieddeep because you know they come
in with all kinds of equipmentand turn everything on.
So if they were buried deepenough, yeah, you probably
wouldn't know there wassomething there.
I mean, just look a few yearsago when they find all those
bodies in Lake Mead, when thewater level was down.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Did they ever did mean I?
I mean obviously they were kindof far gone, but did they ever
like id any of these people?
Or they were they likenotorious for being part of the
mob?

Speaker 4 (47:19):
or well.
The only one I heard of wasactually it was a man just said
he was out there enjoyinghimself and his family, and he
drowned and disappeared so oneof the guys they found were him
with the ones in the barrels.
I don't know if I've ever heardthat they've been identified,
you know.
So they're in barrels.
You know what that means yeah,so it was most definitely mob

(47:41):
hits or whatever yeah exactlythere's a lot of areas out here
that I mean I've done like Iwent out to the uh boulder city
caves and what they are.
You know what I'm talking about.
They're, um, it used to be therail line for the all the

(48:03):
equipment and and supplies goingin when they built the Hoover
Dam.
There's like five caves to theside of the hill so they can get
all this stuff in there.
And number three was supposedto be really active and haunted.
I guess GA did an episode there.
So Kelly and I humped out thereat night.
I mean, it was like twotwo-mile hump out to cave three.

(48:25):
And then I put my trip wire out, which is a long strand of
independent EMF detectors allhooked to one wire.
It's like a, so each one isindividual, go off individually.
And then I put out myParalantron outtern out there.

(48:45):
Well, the whole night we werein this cave, so both my
paralantern and this tripwirewas just going nuts.
It went non-stop just all nightand then I started feeling.
I started feeling nauseous andsick and and drained and I told

(49:05):
kelly I gotta, I gotta take abreak.
I can't be in here anymore.
And kelly starts feeling thesame way.
And kelly never feels anything.
You know what I mean?
She, she doesn't feel.
Out of all of her hunts shenever feels anything like I feel
.
And then she started feelingthis way in this cave.
So I'm saying, kelly, if you'refeeling it, can you imagine
what it's doing to me?

(49:26):
So we got out for a little bitand then we went back in and it
was just.
It was just.
Whatever was in there wasreally heavy and there was
definitely something in there,but the wind was too high for
evps and all this other stuffand just noisy all around us,
lightning and thunder outside.
So, and just like I went downto the Natural History Museum a

(49:50):
few days ago for an after hoursshow and I used my para-lantern
and the same equipment I used inthis cave nothing all night,
they were just silent all night,but inside that cave they were
both going crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So I don't know.
I was going to ask you.
I was going to get into thisand ask you what areas I was
technically going to name somethings off and you tell me
whether or not you think they'rehaunted or have heard stories.
If there is a story attached toit, please feel free.

(50:26):
We're going to start with thefirst one, because I've heard
several stories about this,including the fact that they're
like some 700 and some peopledied or whatever while creating
it.
So the hoover dam do.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I believe there's energy there.
I believe I believe there'ssomething.
I've never felt anything.
I've only been out there acouple few times since I've been
here not to investigateanything.
But I can tell you, I can tellyou that that that trail it used
to be like a rail trail but nowit's a trail.
There's something in in thosetunnels.
There's energy in those tunnelsleading out to the area where

(51:02):
they put the equipment.
So I'm sure people diedbuilding it.
There's, there's plenty ofenergy there.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Just the only time I can get there is when
everybody's there and it's hardto do anything yeah, there's
always a lot of people theretaking uh damn hot dogs and, you
know, drinking the damn coke,you know damn coke the damn,

(51:31):
damn, where's the damn damn tour.
Um, so anyway, I uh all right.
So there's that.
Let's go to an iconic hotel.
Let's go to an iconic hotel.
Let's go to the first resort inLas Vegas, the Flamingo.
What have you heard about theFlamingo?

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I have heard and, like I say, it's a busy area so
it's hard to investigate, butI've heard out in the back, like
where the flamingos are and thefountains and stuff.
I've heard that people haveactually seen apparitions of
bugsy siegel back there andthey've actually seen him
wandering back there, so I'venever witnessed it and I've

(52:12):
never investigated there, butI've heard stories that there's
a lot of energy in there andpeople actually stated that they
have saw the apparition ofbugsy siegel back and I have
been.
I have been to his death housein Hollywood.
I did a little video outside ofit where he was shot.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
But he's buried in Vegas, right?
No, he's buried in California,yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Believe it or not, there's not a lot of celebrities
buried here.
There's a handful of them andsome people never heard of.
Red Fox is here and I actuallydid a little investigation of
his grave tony curtis and robinleach from the lifestyles of
rich and famous, he's here andthen, you know, like the old man
from pawn stars, he's rightdown the road from me, right,

(52:59):
but you believe it or not.
And there's a couple athletes,and I think there's one like
1960 porn star, but you knowthere's not.
There's not a lot of uh, not alot of celebrities buried here,
a couple athletes and not a lotof stars.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I've done a lot of research and well, because most
stars who go to vegas don'tconsider Vegas their home.
They perform there, they doshows there, they might even
have a residency there, but notmany of them call Las Vegas home
.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
A lot of them buried in Hollywood and California and
stuff like that, except WayneNewton, who will most definitely
be buried in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Oh yeah, he doesn't own Shenandoah anymore, but he's
been here probably almost hiswhole life.
Yeah, so he's still breathing.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yes, he is.
So I've heard of the Luxorhaving problems.
I mean, is that a thing?

Speaker 4 (54:06):
No, we were actually just discussing the other day.
There's a couple rooms we wantto rent there and investigate.
That's on our list, becauseI've heard that there's activity
in certain rooms and certainhallways there.
I'd be interested in going inthere and finding out.
Have I done anything?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
No, have I read about stuff happening there?
Yes, but that's that's on mylist.
Um, let's go to the I mean oneof the fancier hotels, the
Bellagio.
Ever heard anything about theBellagio?

Speaker 4 (54:40):
yeah, I'm ready really read anything on the
Bellagio.
Okay, all right, so we're gonnago the Bellagio.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Okay, all right.
So we're going to go fromBellagio, we're going to cross
the street there, probably onthe Skywalk, because we're not
idiots, we're not going to trydodging.
Las Vegas traffic.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Yeah, Frogger yeah.
I know right.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I still know Frogger, though, but Frogger was a good
game, yeah, so we're going tocross that skyway and we're
going to go to Caesar's Palace.
Ever heard anything aboutCaesar's Palace?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Actually no, the only ones I've heard.
If you ask me about the hotels,I've heard Flamingo, lexor and
the one I'm trying to get a roomto right now, and then
obviously Binion's and theApache, and I've heard stuff.
A lot of the big activity Iheard is on on the old old

(55:43):
casino still operating onfremont street yep, yep, I was
gonna say I think fremont wasactually one of them too um yeah
uh fremont, and then uh, golden, nugget, golden nugget yeah
oh yeah, because golden nuggetsis a hotel I'd like to
investigate because from fromlike maybe the first or second

(56:04):
floor on up to the steakhouse,they just reopened it.
There's nothing there.
The rooms are there, but theydon't rent them out or anything.
Yeah.
So the good portion of thathotel is vacant, but you can't
get in there to investigate.
You know, my name was ZachBagans.
I probably could get intoplaces like this, but
unfortunately it's not, which isironic.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I mean it's not ironic, your name's not zach
bagans, that's not what I'msaying.
But it's ironic that if hecould get in, he probably does
get in there, but if he could,that he doesn't film it.
You know what I I mean, becausethat's what he's about.
I mean, you wouldn't have that,you wouldn't have the museum

(56:49):
there if you weren't abouttrying to get people to be all
like, hey, look at me, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah well, I worked at his museum for like eight
months.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Only eight months.
Was that a personal decision orwas that because you?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
know I was retired and at this point, at this point
in my life, I wanted to gothere and have fun and do my job
and, you know, interact withthe guests and everything.
But at the point where itbecomes like you know, I'm the
chief, and then you know you'rejust a little down here and you
know and treat me like I'm dumb,I, I'm out.

(57:23):
I just one day came to work anda little incident happened and
I said you know, I grabbed mywater and I started walking.
I go, I go out to the parkinglot and the guy goes where are
you going, I said I'm going home.
Man Peace out, went home.
I told him from when I startedI go.
I don't need this job.
I'm here because I want to behere, right told them from when

(57:44):
I started.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I go.
I don't need this job.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
I'm here because I want to be here.
Right, right, I'll be hereuntil I don't want to be here
anymore.
And at that point I didn't wantto be there anymore that's
pretty awesome.
Too bad it wasn't zach himselfyou know people talk a lot of
crap about zach and I've had afew interactions with them.
Actually I've never had and I'mnot I'm not trying to defend

(58:05):
them or anything because Ihaven't had a lot of but every
interaction I've had with themthat has been pleasant.
So you know, I can't, I don't.
I'm sure what people say mightbe some truth, but I can say, as
far as me, I don't, I haven'tseen it I, you know it's not
like I'm talking smack about himbecause I hate him or anything.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I don't hate anybody.
So do you hear that.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, but don't you talk smack about him like pretty
much every time you mention hisname.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, but not really talking smack.
It's kind of like, how wouldyou say this?
I'm trying to, if this was theprofessional wrestling world?
I'm trying to set up an angle,if you know what I mean.
I'm trying to get him like, ifany, if he hear, yeah, he's not
going to hear it.
I don't even think hisassistant would hear this.
But anyway, like I'm justsaying, his assistant's
assistant probably wouldn't thecab driver that the assistant is

(59:01):
in the cab, probably he's noteven listening to this.
But okay, so I, I want to havethis rivalry with him a little
bit.
I feel it would be fun, I, youknow, and he could talk about
how nobody knows who I am, andhe would be right, but still,

(59:22):
and I would just continue totalk smack about him, like I,
like I said, and then we canhave like a um, a bench pressing
contest, because I I'd be fastto that.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
So yeah, see where I differ with you is I'd like to
actually investigate with himjust to be able to get into some
of these places I can't getinto.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah, I can see that yeah.
So, that's what my mindset is.
Man, I'm going, wow, I, justbecause he gets into.
Some places are really, reallygreat and I just want to do them
, but because I'm not, that Ican't and I'm a place that won't
let you go get into.
You know a lot of places unlessyou are rich and famous, you

(01:00:07):
can't get into.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Well, and I think, john, I think it's not that you
give him crap, I think it's thatyou feel like he's in it more
for the entertainment valuerather than genuine ghost
hunting that's my opinion, butyeah, I, I can agree with you,

(01:00:30):
but I mean, like I told youearlier, I think, I think, I
think some of it is actual,actual, actually genuine.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I just think sometimes it's a little over
exaggerated, because I andthat's the- other thing, he it
seems like he's very uhoverdramatic.
But you know it's tv and you gotto keep the people interested,
right?
I mean I I don't know how elseto say it, but I mean, I think
some of their experiences aretrue.

(01:01:04):
I just think they're a littlebit overreact.
I can tell you right now thatAaron is a great guy.
I spent two hours talking tohim one night.
Anything that happens to Aaronin those places I would take it
at face value.
Wow, really.
Yeah, aaron's a genuine guy.

(01:01:25):
He's a down-to-earth,straightforward, no-nonsense guy
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
It always seems like he's, he's zach's, like puppy,
like go in there, aaron, I'llcome in right after you, or
whatever.
Like he's the best.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
I think that's his spot on the show.
Yeah, he's that's his, that'shis, that's his, that's his
forte.
That's what he's there yeah soso, but he is, he is genuinely a
good dude and which is is sad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It's not sad, he's a good dude, but it's sad.
What occurred for him, um, youknow.
So, yeah, poor guy, that's allI can say.
You know, the, the person thatyou are supposed to trust, what
I mean?
100 like the, not the most, butyou're supposed to have a whole
lot of trust in your spouse,and to have that happen is just

(01:02:20):
ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
So well, cheating on you is one thing, but trying to
get you murdered is a wholedifferent game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
So DW, I don't know if you knew about this or
whatever, but Aaron's wife who'ssoon to be ex-wife quickly, I'm
assuming hired somebody to havehim murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
That does put a damper on their relationship.
It does.
She's actually in, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Yeah, she's actually, she's actually in jail now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, they got her Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, she's I mean yeah, I well, and I would hope
so.
Yeah, that's that, that'sunfortunate, you know well, it
makes it even worse.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
If you know him, you know how nice of a guy he is
yeah yeah, people mostdefinitely shouldn't go through
that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
So is there any place touristy in Vegas that people
don't think about?

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
that is haunted and you wouldn't know it the
flamingo, I mean a lot of placeson fremont street.
I'm sure a lot of those peoplego there.
They don't.
They don't think about ghostsor anything like that.
You know what I mean.
And then if you go out to about30 miles out of town in a
little place called good springs, there's a the pioneer saloon

(01:03:42):
out there.
I don't know if you've everheard of that.
Okay, yeah, but that's supposedto be active out there.
That's the saloon that ClarkGable waited to hear about his
wife who crashed in the planeout there on the side of the
mountain out there in the 40swhen she was coming back from
the USO tour.
And supposedly Clark Gable'scigar burn is still in the bar.

(01:04:05):
And then there's bullet holesin the wall still from back in
the day when a car, somebodycheating on a card game, got
shot in there.
So it's very little.
It's a cool little bar outthere.
That is so I I believe, thatplace is is haunted A lot of
history there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Have you been to the Clown Motel?

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
I have.
That's where I had my veryfirst real ghost hunt, my very
first experience.
I've done the Clown Motel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
All right, well, let's talk about it.
I just got done filming.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I just got done being a clown in the movie Clown
Motel 3.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Really, that's pretty badass, seriously.
Yeah, that's cool.
So what happened?
What was your first experience?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
My buddy Paul, because it's when I first
started out, my buddy Paul and I.
He said I'm going to take youout to Clown Motel.
We're going to go investigateit, he had already done it once
before.
And I said, said, you know, I'mgoing to take you out to Clown
Motel, we're going to goinvestigate.
He had already done it oncebefore.
And I said, sure, let's go.
And we got there and we hadjust started taking the
equipment out of the truck andput it in the room, right, and

(01:05:18):
we're talking.
And you know, I'm just reachingaround my pocket and I don't
know if you've ever just feltlike when you reach in your
pocket, I'm just reaching aroundmy pocket.
I don't know if you've everjust felt like when you reach in
your pocket, you feel like apiece of trash or something in
there.
And I just was walking over.
I was just walking over to thetrash can to throw it away,
because it was there and Iwanted to get rid of it.
And I walked across the roomtrash cans on the other side of
the room, under the sink, by themirror.
I threw it away, I walked overthere and even before I got in

(01:05:46):
the trash can, I just felt likethis tingling, like I walked
into some kind of energy and forvery first experience I didn't
know what was going on.
I had tingles going all throughmy jaw and the hair on.
Both my arms were standingstraight up and I turned around
like a paw paw.
Oh, look at this.
And that was actually.
You know that was a ghostadventures moment.
I was actually going, oh, lookat this.
Well, look at this.
You know I was a ghostadventures moment.
I was actually going.
Oh, look at this, look at this.
You know I was freaking outbecause that was my first

(01:06:07):
experience, you know.
And he's going, oh, and he'slooking and he's gonna go to
paul.
My cheeks are just liketingling, they're just like
massive tingling.
And, uh, later on we did, we,during the investigation, we're
doing a SLS camera aimed in thatpart of the room and it looked
like that mirror just above thetrash can was some kind of

(01:06:30):
portal or something, becausethere was figures jumping in and
out all night.
I mean, it was just then it'dgo away, and then here they are
coming in and out of that mirrorall night.
So that just put some validityin what happened to me Something
.
Either I caught something offguard or we caught each other
off guard and we weren'texpecting it, but I felt like I

(01:06:51):
just smacked into some kind ofenergy just casually walking
across the room.
Yeah, those are firstexperiences there or first
experience ever first, firstexperience ever, wow yeah, dude,
that's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, that would that tripped me out a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
It freaked me out.
Now I'm just kind of used to it.
I'm expecting stuff like thatnow that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
So you said you were in clown motel three.
Were you in clown motel one andtwo?

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
no, this one.
I just happened to go to alittle day of the dead
convention they had at the plazahotel here and I met some of
the clowns.
They had a booth set up at this, this little convention, and I
started talking to them andstuff.
And there's's this one gal, hername's Mary Kate and she's like
the queen of all these B youknow, indie movies.

(01:07:48):
And so I left and I posted thepicture of the I took with them
on Facebook and she commentedand we started talking and she
goes hey, come on out, we'regoing to be filming this.
You know, last day of filmingis out here.
And she said okay, I go, I'mall set, I got my clown, my
clown, stuff from halloween Iused last year and stuff.
And so I went out there and and, uh, you know, got the last day

(01:08:13):
of filming and got to be likean extra where I'm actually
swinging the sledgehammer andsomebody and stuff like that,
and I just bought my ticket togo to the premiere in Hollywood
in October.
That's awesome, so it was prettyfun.
It was interesting.
I'm hoping to do some morestuff like that, but I have.

(01:08:34):
I have pictures on my uh TikTOK and YouTube of me out there
with them filming.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
That's really awesome .
I would love to do that.
If you, yeah, tell your I haveacting experience.
I was a principal character ina feature film.
Yes, yes, it had all sorts ofescalades, all sorts of
escalades Not even escaladesthat too Accolades.

(01:09:04):
But yeah, it was.
No, it didn't.
It was a good movie.
But whatever, I was.
You got your sad part.
That's all that matters.
So I'll be damned.
Well, I mean I don't know.
I was sitting there thinkinglike we can't end on the clown

(01:09:24):
motel.
I mean that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
I did another little old hotel.
It's on Las Vegas Boulevard,between the Strip and Fremont
Street, an area they called theNaked City and it's the Oasis
Motel.
And I did that with anothermarried couple and two
relatively known people died inthe same room at this hotel only

(01:09:50):
like four months apart.
So, the first one being the1980 and 81 World Championship
of Poker, stu Unger, theyoungest ever win, and the next
one would be David Strickland.
He was on the sitcom withBrooke Shields, suddenly Susan,

(01:10:10):
he played Todd, and they bothdied in the same room.
What?
Four months apart.
Yeah, and you know Stu Ungerwas, I guess you know he was a
lot.
His cause of death was years ofdrug and alcohol abuse Cause
there was very, very little inhis system.

(01:10:32):
When he, when he, they foundhim but they said that the abuse
just took a big enough toll onhis body that he died.
And and and Strickland, hekilled himself in the room.
He hung himself in the room.
He was bipolar, battling thatstopped taking his medication
was drinking and drugs andpartying with Andy Dick and the

(01:10:53):
night before, as he was donepartying they the next day they
found him hung himself in theroom and we got a little bit of
activity in that room and we gota little bit of activity in
that room, um, but some of itwas funny though like we were
doing the estus method in thatroom and we were with another

(01:11:18):
married couple, um, and the wifewas in the bathroom sitting on
it, you know, sitting there withthe headphones on the spirit
box, and her husband, myself andKelly were sitting on the bed
in the other area and I don'tknow, we were tired.
It was toward the end of thenight and we were like all like
goofy and stuff and we startedtalking about boobs for us and

(01:11:41):
the husband goes and she hadn'tsaid really anything coming out
of the bathroom, but the husbandgoes is one boob identical to
the other boob?
And just like that she shoutedout you hear from the bathroom,
yes, so she got.
Yes, come with this policyspirit box on this question that

(01:12:02):
he asked.
So that was pretty funny.
I actually have I have thewhole audio on my, my tiktok, on
my youtube, so you can hear thewhole thing a lot, uh recorded
what happened that night as faras that.
And in the closet it was weirdbecause I felt energy in the
closet and I had a, a pair oflantern on each side of the

(01:12:24):
closet and they start going offsimultaneously.
They're just deep lightsflashing.
And, uh, I hooked up the slscamera, I went in there and I
was capturing figures on both,both sides of the closet where
the lamps were, and they're both.
We tried to get them to respondto us so we can actually say

(01:12:46):
that we've actually capturedsomething.
And they both appeared to beresponding to what we were
asking them, like move your arm.
This one and the one of themlooked like they were sitting on
the ground.
I go, can you?
You know, can you please standup for me?
And it looked like it stood upfor me.
So, yeah, that was kind ofcrazy.
In that room, no evps oranything, but wow, damn, oasis

(01:13:12):
motel, room 20.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
So what's scarier the oasis hotel or the neighborhood
?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
probably the neighborhood.
I'd rather deal with the deadthan the crazy alive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
That makes sense oh yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Naked City is pretty whack.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
It's yeah, so this hotel was built like in the 40s,
like right after, obviouslynorth of the stratosphere, on
las vegas boulevard.
Yeah, it'd be north, just justnorth.
You can walk out from the, fromthe driveway, and the
stratosphere would be right tothe, the left, your left, if
you're in las vegas boulevard, Igot you nice, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
So not too far away from the uh, the pawn shop
either uh hello, I'm here, hello.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I'm here he's.
He might be frozen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I think he's frozen.
Were you frozen?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I was waiting for him until I realized he was not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
What would I say?
I don't know, I didn't think Iwas I don't know.
I was looking at you and I waslike, is he moving?
He's not moving and then yousaid something I was like, oh
okay, he's unfroze, but oh andhe's gone, so he may have uh yep
, he found out that he no longerwas interested in this show,

(01:15:05):
which took people 86 episodes.
But you know him.
I don't know the whole one areyou sure, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I want, I want to give him.
He seems he's got some goodstories, seems like he seems
like a nice guy, I'm gonna givehim a chance.
Let's give him a few minutes,because me and you can talk.
Because I bet you anything he'sgoing to pop right back on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
He's going to pop right back.
He's going to say sorrysomething happened.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I'm going to pop back .

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
If he doesn't, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
And if he doesn't, again I want to you know in his
defense.
It's possible he lost internetor lost power or something like
that, and that's why I justrandomly cut out so or he just
he was tired of dw's crap youknow, I don't know let's
probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Uh no, he probably just lost power or lost internet
or both.
You know, it's vegas who knowswhat could happen there, like uh
yeah, he was talking aboutghosts and stuff, so therefore
that could have happened there.
He was talking about ghosts andstuff, so therefore that could
have happened.
Maybe they came and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Oh yeah, someone heard him talking about them and
decided to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
They whacked him.
I mean spiritually, yeah, oh,but damn see, I know, I bet he's
going to come right back on.
He didn't.
You know what, dw, despite whatyou were saying, he did not
hate me.
He thought I was pretty awesomeand I knew he was going to come

(01:16:47):
right back on.
So you know, I know, but Ican't believe you're saying that
.
Okay, so, mike, in case you,I'm back.
So DW was saying that you leftbecause you could no longer
handle me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
So that's not bad, dude.
I was a Marine and I'm retired.
Law enforcement I can handleanything, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
I'm glad you brought it up.
I was going to ask you becauseyou said you were humping.
Yeah.
But that's military talk forwalking, hiking, getting up and
whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
So I can't say, you couldn't force hike.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Yeah, so I was.
Um, yeah, I was, I was catchingthat you were former military.
Then you said former lawenforcement.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Yeah, oh wow, um, I'm retired out of california, nice
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Okay, so that's when you?
Okay, I was like you lookyoung-ish, so I was assuming
that your retirement was fromsomewhere that you weren't
working until you were 70.
I'm probably older than whatyou think.
Okay, well, I mean, fair enough, we don't have to.
I'll be 62 in January, okay,but still young, young, young

(01:18:11):
for retirement, yeah yeah, yeah,so yeah, I retired at 56 yeah,
so all right, as long as we'redoing this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
The craziest thing that you've seen has it been
from your military experiencelaw enforcement or ghost hunting
.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Well, I can tell you, probably law enforcement, I
mean, I spent a lot of times andI, before I went into the
sheriff's department, I workedat the federal Bureau of prisons
.
So I've seen a lot of insidethe facilities.
I've seen a lot of death and,and you know, a lot of a lot of
carnage just from you know,fights and stabbings and stuff
like that.
So I I think I think the mostdisturbing things I've had, you

(01:18:54):
know, feces thrown at me, I hada urine thrown at me, I've been
punched, I've been kicked, I'vebeen beat, you know, so I would
say, inside the facilities, asfar as as is more disturbing to
me than anything I've done,paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
So the paranormal seems not so weird compared to
the living.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
No, no, the living to me is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Fair enough, all right.
So I'm going to ask you thisinside the prison system, or,
you know, or Vegas streets,which one are you choosing?

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
I would choose inside the systems, because at least I
have a little bit of control inthere and I know what I'm
dealing with.
On the streets you have no ideawhat you're dealing with or
what's going to happen, At leastin there.
I get on the radio and I've gotthe Calvary coming.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I was going to say you've got to go back and do it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
It's a semi-controlled environment and
I know what to expect and I knowwhat I'm dealing with.
Out on the streets, you don'tknow at any given time what
you're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Very true, all right, so we're doing this for the
people who want to go out thereand play around with the
paranormal and stuff like that,but also, obviously, it's vegas.
So you know, is there a placeof town or in or around?
Is there a place around thestrip where people, tourists,

(01:20:24):
should stay away from, like Idon't know?

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Is any place really safe?
You just heard about those twoYouTubers who were having a
battle with each other like twoweeks ago.
Did you hear about that theywere having?
A battle out front of thefountain of Bellagio and one of
them pulled out the gun andkilled the other guy and his
wife Right there in front of theBellagio.
What this was just like twoweeks ago.
They were both battling, theyhad some kind of issue going on.

(01:20:57):
They were both like VegasYouTubers or something.
This guy he capped the guy andhis wife and he took off running
and left his wife standingthere.
Oh my gosh Then like two dayslater, the next day, he turned
himself in over youtube.
Shit I, they were battling oversomething.

(01:21:18):
Yeah, that's crazy, yeah, yeah,yeah, you can.
You can look that up.
This just happened a coupleweeks ago out here, so you know,
that's right there in front ofthe fountain at the villaggio.
And then a couple years ago youhad that those girls stabbed
out there right on the strip.
One of them died.
Some crazy guy, some nut, somehomeless nut, stabbed him,

(01:21:44):
killed one of them.
So all I can say is you know,be, be on the watch.
I.
I mean, I respect metro, metro,don't mess around with stuff,
but they can't be everywhere atonce.
You know what I mean right,yeah yeah, so I mean metro,
metro.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
They don't fool around, you know so, but they
can't be everywhere at once okay, so favorite hotel I just want
to know favorite your favoritehotel in vegas?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
my favorite one yeah, I guess to walk around in.
I actually this is off thestrip, but I like the palms.
Okay, they put on some.
You know I'm a big 80s guy andthey get a lot of the good 80s
acts in there.
And you know, with my, with myplayers car they get a couple

(01:22:35):
free buffets a month, and youknow so, and not free parking
and I don't have to deal withall the madness at the strip.
So if I had to pick I'd pick.
I'd probably pick the palms.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
It's a good place, good music menu, good food, you
know, easy access in and outnice okay see me, I'm a fan of
the westin, which was the oldhilton, which was the old
international right, so I don'tknow, I liked it over there.

(01:23:06):
I thought it was really cool.
I remember one time I was therefor work and star trek, the
next generation or something,was a big thing, I don't know
but um, like I like a stage playor you know one of the shows or
something, I was like that'skind of weird, like whatever, I
don't know but um, and thenobviously their homage to Elvis

(01:23:30):
everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Well, you know, that's where he had his
residency, right?
And what sucks for me aboutthat place is a couple years ago
you could rent out the Elvissuite upstairs unchanged it was
like original for like $500,$600 for the night, right, yeah.

(01:23:52):
And so now Kelly was lookinginto it, just not even a year
ago, and now they want liketwenty thousand dollars a night
for this week.
So if I had got it like twoyears ago I could have got it
for 600.
Did an investigation becauseelvis is supposed to still roam
around up there.
People talk about elvis.
They've seen apparitions ofelvis and they had experiences
that they believe are el aroundup there.
People talk about elva.
They've seen apparitions ofelvis and had experiences that

(01:24:13):
they believe are elvis up therehuh so now, now it's a little
bit above my pay grade right

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
so now it's called the imperial.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
It's the imperial sky villa yeah, that's sweet, yeah,
but yeah, a couple years agoyou could still rent it for
relatively cheap.
Wow what I think she said.
They were asking like 20 granda night or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I was just looking it up yeah, it's crazy,
it's not, but yeah, it's big,it's.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
It's huge, it's the whole top floor, I think right,
yeah, it's like it's well overthree, three, four thousand
square foot.
Yeah yep yeah, so well, I wishI could.
I would have paid 600 toinvestigate that, but I ain't
paying what they're asking fornow no, you can almost buy a
house for the.
I mean not really, but yeah,good down payment, yeah, or a

(01:25:14):
nice motorcycle you could do for20 grand so, yeah, I just
bought a new I'm not, you knew,new to me motorcycle last month,
oh nice oh yeah, I want to geta trike oh, I'm not ready for a
trike yet, but if I ever get I,if I ever get, I'll get a trike
I.
I just bought a 2019 indianchieftain classic.

(01:25:38):
Oh nice cool yeah, so I've beenon that thing.
I had 40.
I bought it a month ago with 4700 miles on it and right now
it's at almost 6,400.
So I put some miles on it in amonth.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Yeah, you did, but I mean you're driving all around
the desert.
For the most part you couldjust go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
I just took it back home to California like last
week, I mean there and back, andit's like 520 miles one way, so
it was over a thousand miletrip, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
That's pretty awesome .
I like all that stuff, so allright.
What is the next steps for lasvegas soul searchers?

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
well, you know we're, we're planning some other stuff
.
I'm trying to kelly's goingback to pennsylvania.
She's going to be back therefor two months because her
daughter and her mom lives backthere and she's got some
investigations planned up forher I just can't right now it's
not feasible for me to fly backthere, so she's going to do some
investigations there me.

(01:26:44):
I still want my.
My next one is I'm probablygoing to try to get into the
luxor.
I, I want to get those rooms inthe Luxor.
Probably try to get it donethis week before she leaves Nice
.
Nice.
You know, trying to get a Jeff,our partner Jeff.
He's been on hiatus for wellover a year now.
I just talked to him today sohe's had some issues and he's

(01:27:05):
ready to get back into it, sowe're going to welcome him back.
So we're gonna welcome him backand we're probably gonna go do
some stuff.
David oman from california, theoman house he's been contacting
me.
He wants me to go back, so thatmight be another.
Another option we've done thatplace a couple times is the oman
house next to where sharon tateand everybody.

(01:27:26):
Yeah, I thought so, yeah yeah,it's 50, I mean not even 50
yards from the front gate of thetape tape murders.
And last time we were there,man, we were the, his bottom
floor and we're sitting in theroom and we're the gal was with.
She brought out some onlinephotos of the, the crime scene,

(01:27:47):
you know all the bodies andstuff right.
And once you started doing that, you I started feeling like
angry.
I could feel angry and I wasasking, using my paralent for
communication again, and are youmad?
And then it starts blinkingreally loud and then so yeah,
that was after she brought theand then we'd take the pictures

(01:28:11):
away and everything settled downand then she'd bring them back
up and I can just feel the angercome back and I can just start
asking questions.
And you can just even thelights, you can me.
I could feel the anger from theresponses with the lights too.
So it was crazy and I asked herI go, are you sharing Tate and

(01:28:32):
light?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
just starts going Wow , wow, yeah.
So yeah, I'd like to get youknow.
I think it'd be fun to get gethim on he.
He probably has a lot ofstories living there.
You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
I mean, he's a character man.
Yeah, he'd probably be fun toget on your show.
That'd be fun to get on yourshow that'd be fun I, I like, we
like having fun, we, we, yeah,he's, he's deaf, he's a
character, he's funny all right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
So I mean, if you were going to take a percentage,
what would you say?
The percentage of las vegasbeing haunted would be the
percentage of Las.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Vegas being haunted would be A percentage.
Yeah, I would say, just wanteverywhere the whole city of Las
Vegas or Vegas, paradise allcombined.
If you want a percentage, Iguarantee you there's probably a

(01:29:29):
good 99%.
There's a lot of them.
I just did a park in Hendersona couple weeks ago, supposedly
haunted and it had a lot ofactivity out there at the
haunted park.
So even the parks are hauntedhere.
Well, there's a lot more ghostsin these hotels that we don't

(01:29:50):
know about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
It's just the crowds are so big and massive that
there's no way you're ever goingto be able to do a an
investigation with all the noise, pollution and stuff going on
there that's true, yeah but, butI guarantee you there's a lot
more activity in these hotelsand we realized I would say las
vegas could be like you wouldnever really know because how

(01:30:14):
busy it always is 24, 7 you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Like you just exactly so anything on the strip is
going to be impossible unlessyou can find, like like the
luxor or, you know, the elvissuite.
If you can find a particularroom that you can just
investigate that room, butinvestigate, like the people
saying they've seen apparitionsin hallways and with the

(01:30:38):
activity here it's going to beimpossible to do anything.
And there's no way you're goingto even remotely try to do any
EVPs with all the noisepollution.
And that's what was bad aboutthe Apache is we?
You know we had to useeverything.
We couldn't get any EBPsbecause the bands were playing
right outside the window and wehad all the noise pollution, you
know.
So we can't do the EBPs, but wecould do all the other stuff.

(01:31:01):
But I say there's a lot moreactivity in all these hotels
than people realize.
It's just there's so muchactivity you're never going to
find out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
I can see that.
I can see why Elvis would wantto haunt the Vegas residency
area and not his last moments.
Could you imagine spendingeternity haunting a bathroom?
Oh, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
I've been to Graceland.
I'd like to investigategraceland.
I wish, I wish there was a wayI could get in there and just
investigate the house.
But that would be, that wouldbe, that would be.
That would be an awesomeinvestigation.
I guarantee you just a bunch ofevps like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
TVP's like there ain't nothing about a hound dog
That'd be funny, good old us.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
So.
But like I said, vegas is veryhaunted.
It's just hard to get intoplaces and the crowds make it
difficult to investigate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Damn.
Well, that's cool.
I mean 99%, that's up there.
I'm looking forward to my nexttrip to Vegas because I have
some cemeteries I need to hangaround in and some haunted
hotels to possibly stay in.
I don't know.
Flamingo is kind of one of myfavorites.
Flamingo and Fremont both ofthem are kind of my favorite

(01:32:32):
hotels.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
I would go in the wintertime when it's less quiet,
so maybe out in the area wherepeople have seen Bugsy Seagull.
Maybe early in the morning it'snot so crowded, so maybe I
might even do that like at threeor 4am to go out there and just
try a little you know EMF andyou know some other stuff out
there and just try a little youknow emf and you know some other
stuff, stuff out there and seeif I can capture anything I've

(01:32:53):
been out there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I've been out there a lot actually.
I remember one time I I wentout there I don't fly well,
especially then now, so much Ithink I'd be okay.
But uh, I remember I was justlike so anxious about the flight
home and I I was out in thatgarden area, you know the atrium
or whatever it is yeah, yeah,where the, where the all the

(01:33:16):
activities supposedly yeah yeah,it was pretty quiet, you know,
there.
There wasn't a lot of people outthere, it was just me, but at
the time I wouldn't have beenable to even think about seeing
anybody, or whatever, you know.
So I was, my mind was occupied.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
It was somewhere else at the time, but all right,
well, I mean holy crap man,there's a pet cemetery right
around the corner from my houseand there's this elephant buried
there called stoney.
Okay, I made a whole video onStoney and what happened to him.
He was a performer out at theLexor, I believe it was, and his

(01:33:57):
last days, his last year oflife, were miserable and he was
just mistreated and he's buriedout here and people actually say
they've seen him roaming thecemetery.
So I went out there one nightafter and, like I said, if you
want to hit my sites, I have, Ihave the whole video I made on
stoney.
And then we went back a fewnights later in the in the late

(01:34:20):
night and we actually did aninvestigation out there and I
brought my older son and kellywith me and my son and I are
standing over Stoney's grave andhis EMF detectors just starts
going nuts right crazy, and itwas cold outside but it felt
like the temperature droppedlike 20 degrees when this K2
started going off.

(01:34:40):
I had my body cam on and when Ireviewed the footage there was
like a mist that went across mybody cam right as the same time
his k2 is going off, and Ishowed it to kelly, my partner.
She kind of drew this thingoutlined and it kind of did look
like an elephant's head, I meanthe trunk coming up in the air
with the tusk hanging out, andso I mean I guess her mind saw

(01:35:05):
that.
My son's mind saw a face.
But you can, I, I have stillstoo.
I made stills of the mist, sojust k2s going off, and then
when I reviewed the camera, thismist went right across, right
across them.
So that was.
That was pretty crazy that'sawesome this episode literally

(01:35:25):
had everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
That's pretty cool.
Animal spirits.
Yeah, yeah.
A ghost elephant, nobody, holycrap.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I can only tell you what I captured and you know,
people have to watch it forthemselves and make their own
determinations.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Well, the fact that people said that they could see
him roaming, I mean that's a bigthing to see roaming.
Like what the hell is it that'san elephant you know, well, you
know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
You go and read the stories about it and people who
have said they've seen him sayshe's just undermining his own
business, grazing on the grassand looks like he's having a
good time.
And if you read the story orjust watch my video, you'll see
how those poor animals last yearlife sucked.
Oh, and he was as far as anelephant.
He was only 21, which is veryyoung, because they in captivity

(01:36:13):
they could live to 80 years old.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Yeah, I was going to say that's not even a quarter of
his life.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I don't think.
No, I mean his lifespan, sameas a human, and he died at 21.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Damn so you're saying your website, you might as well
just tell people where they canfind you, especially the, the
videos.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Oh yeah, you can go to, you know, Las Vegas soul
searchers on Tik TOK, Las Vegassoul searchers on YouTube, and I
have a a Facebook page strictlyfor Las Vegas soul searchers.
So any one of those, you canjust look them up and it should
pop up.
So everything, everything Ihave is all Las Vegas soul

(01:36:55):
searchers, whether it be Tik TOK, Facebook or YouTube.
Awesome yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
That's awesome.
I I'm excited about my futuregoings to to Vegas.
I'm yeah Cause, like I said,said I like the, like the
paranormal and uh, obviously,vegas, uh, dw.
I have a question for youbefore we get going with what we
usually get going okay, haveyou ever been to vegas?

(01:37:23):
I have.
Yeah, okay, okay, oh, you werein.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
That is right, you were in the and I went by myself
and for scheduling reasons Ididn't see a Vegas show.
For scheduling reasons couldn't.
But yeah, I was down there.
I didn't stay on the strip butI was a couple blocks away from

(01:37:48):
the strip but I went to thestrip to wander around and see
the fountains and stuff likethat and did a tiny bit of
gambling, but not a lot.
I figured if I'm going to Vegas, everyone is going to ask if I
gambled.

(01:38:08):
So I figured I had to dosomething.
But yes, I'm going to Vegas,everyone's going to ask if I
gambled, so I figured I had todo something.
But yes, I have been to Vegas.
Didn't experience anything outof the ordinary while I was
there.
If that was going to be yournext question, but yes, I have
been to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
I can tell you this I've been to Vegas 20s of times,
20s of times, and I will say Ihave experienced something not
of the ordinary every singletime, because a bunch of wackos
there it's a very interestingcrowd and, by the way, if you

(01:38:44):
are listening and you're inVegas, you are not a wacko, you
are just perfect.
Don't worry, I'm a wacko, youare just perfect, don't worry,
you're just absolutely.
I'm a wacko okay all right manwell, okay, so this we, we got
to the point.
We got to this point and thispoint is where we start wrapping
stuff up, and this is when wedo this or that and essentially

(01:39:08):
this or that.
You know, we just ask you aquestion, give you two answers
and you just choose which oneyou want.
And dw yeah, do you ever listento that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
I think is it my turn yeah, I don't know man it's
been for I think it is, I thinkit is actually the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
So okay, sure.
So I just say a couple ofthings.
You tell me which one youprefer.
So, as an example, would yourather fly or drive?

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
I'm.
I like driving.
I mean it depends on thedistance.
If it's within eight to tenhours, I'll drive.
If it's anything over that,I'll fly.
Except when it's Sturgis, I'dride my motorcycle there I can
see that Clue or Monopoly.
I like Clue.
I used to play Clue a lot as akid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Chocolate or vanilla.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Chocolate, dark chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Ride the roller coaster or the ferris wheel
roller coaster.
I hate ferris wheels, I do.
I do, like you know, the thehigh roller, but that's enclosed
.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
But yeah, I don't like ferris wheels oh yeah,
would you rather do ghosthunting with ghostbusters or
scooby-doo in the gang?

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
I'd rather be with shaggy shaggy.
Everyone seems to preferscooby-doo, yeah yeah, all right
, batman or superman oh, I'm nota real superhero fan, but if I
had to pick one, I mean I usedto watch him with Christopher
Reeves with Superman, so I'llpick Superman.
I'm not a big Batman fan.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
I mean, I would take Batman over Superman, but I
would not take Batman overChristopher Reeves Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
And I feel like Christopher Reeves is the only
Superman I don't know Justeverything else the original one
was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Know, just everything else the original one was
pretty good too.
George Reeves yeah, I like theChristopher Reeves movies.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah, he made me like superhero movies.
I feel like that was theoriginal.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
I just feel like.
I'm just not a big superheroeskind of guy.
I'm more into horror movies andstuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Alright, okay, you've perfected your time machine.
Do you travel to 1825 orforward to 2225?

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
I'm going to go backwards.
Life already right now is toocomplicated for me.
I want to go back to easierlife, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Does the toilet paper go over or under?

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Mine goes over.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
That is correct Elephant-sized squirrel or
squirrel-sized elephant.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Oh geez, Squirrel-sized elephant.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
That just sounds adorable, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
All right, mozart or Zeppelin.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Oh, geez, let's Zeppelin man.
You can't go wrong with Pageand Plant and Bonham and John
Paul Jones.
Oh, ze Led Zeppelin man.
You can't go wrong with Pageand Plant and Bonham and John
Paul Jones.
Zeppelin all the way, man Allright.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So Zeppelin on streaming or vinyl records.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Vinyl I love vinyl.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
All right, two more Simpsons or the office say that
again the simpsons or the officeoh, the office.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
No, I take the simpsons.
I like they're pretty funny.
They've been pretty accurate insome of their predictions too
they happen, oh my gosh it'sbeen crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Yeah, yeah, the simpsons all right, last one,
john olsen or Lizzie Borden.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
Oh, Lizzie Borden man .
Sorry, John, All right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Oh gosh, you know that's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Especially the Elizabeth Montgomery version.
I'd let her have you Okay, fairenough.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
He was enthusiastic about that one too.
He's like oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Lizzie, yeah, I bet I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Hey, you guys are comedians.
You gotta respect the sense ofhumor.
I love you, John.
Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Thank you, I yeah, I appreciate it.
Man Like, uh okay, losing theLizzie Borden sucks, but at
least you know who I am.
So I I think, there's a winthere.
Um, I'll take it.
Dw.
Do you have anything else forfor Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
I think that's it.
I think we had a great show andI think we were uh, let's put
the cherry on top of our desserthere put the cherry on top.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
All right, mike, you know what it was.
It was pretty cool, man.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Thank you for coming on thank you I really appreciate
the opportunity I enjoyedmyself, that's, and I didn't
click off because if it was upand it went away.
I don't know what happened.
Sorry, it's going to be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
I know, I know it's going to be fun when you hear
this, because there's like fouror five minutes of audio that
you have no idea what's going on, and that's the fun part.
Oh no, it's all good.
All right, what's going on andthat's the it's all good, all
right.
Man well you know dw guess what.
you know what time it is right.
Yep, all right, if I, if dwknows what time it is, then then

(01:45:01):
you know what time it is andbasically it's it's time to say
this you guys have been amazing,we have been Scalarius and we
are out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Later.

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