Ep. 88 Haunted Legacies: The Warren Files

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The legendary paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren have shaped our understanding of ghost hunting for decades, but how much of their work was genuine and how much was embellished for effect? In this revealing episode, we explore the fascinating lives of the world's most famous ghost hunters, from their founding of the New England Society for Psychic Research in 1952 to their investigations of over 10,000 cases including Annabelle, Amityville Horror, and the Enfield Poltergeist.

We unpack the recent news of comedian Matt Rife purchasing the Warren estate and museum, becoming guardian of their artifacts until 2030 - a surprising development that brings together the worlds of paranormal investigation and comedy. What does this mean for the Warren legacy?

The episode dives into the skepticism surrounding the Warrens' work, with scientific investigators calling their evidence "blarney" and pointing out methodological flaws in their approach. We examine the fundamental clash between the Warrens' faith-based investigation style and scientific skepticism, questioning whether their tendency to diagnose nearly every case as demonic possession undermined their credibility.

Whether you believe the Warrens were genuine investigators of supernatural phenomena or skilled storytellers who built a career on elaborate tales, their impact on popular culture through The Conjuring franchise and beyond is undeniable. Join us for this deep dive into the complex legacy of Ed and Lorraine Warren - paranormal pioneers whose work continues to fascinate, frighten, and fuel debate.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks for watching what's going on.

(00:31):
This is scolarius, I am johnolsen and with me, as always, is
dw the dancing witch hazelserene.
That's a lot better, a lotbetter.
Dw people might have actuallyheard that pop all right is that
great my charred lemonade?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
nope, nope, uh.
The mountain dew.
Uh uh, baja blast mango, verycool, the mountain dew stuff, I
don't know.
I and I'll tell you part of thereason I I'm trying to cut down
on my caffeine because I wasjust having a lot of problems.

(01:11):
So I I was up to.
Well, to give you the fullstory, I used to not drink
coffee at all, and then I wouldonly drink it when I was tired.
Well, then I started this jobwhere I had to get up in the
morning and so I was tired everyday, and so I started drinking
coffee every day.
But then it got to the pointwhere I was drinking two or
three cups a day and I had myheart was racing, I'd have

(01:37):
palpitations, I couldn't go tosleep at night and I was just
having all these troubles and Iwas like I wonder if the
caffeine has anything to do withit and I switched to decaf
coffee and game changer.
Wow so since then, I've beentrying to not drink caffeine
wherever possible, includingMountain Dew.

(01:59):
I love the taste of MountainDew, but can't have the caffeine
.
What's great about this?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
is there's no.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, not that, but there's no caffeine.
Where's the thing?
Oh, I can't find thenutritional crap it should be
sugar-free.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I thought it was sugar-free too.
Yeah, it should be sugar-free.
That that's the other thing.
I thought it was sugar-free too.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So yeah, it should be but yeah, so it.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I and it's you know baja blast very cool.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hey, dw, like yes, I want to get back to you because
I do have a story about alcohol,just a brief one.
But a lot of people have goodalcohol stories I know, but this
it's not really that great, butwhatever.
So we have somebody else withus today.
It's Zach Sharp.
Zach's back, zach's back.
Yeah, zach is back.

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Zach signed his C-Synthesis.
No 2016 Ghostbusters will bediscussed today, other than this
brief uh moment that I said it.
Um, he knows, uh, he's wellaware of the uh ramifications
that will happen if it, if itdoes happen.
So, um, zach, uh, how how areyou today besides that?

(03:17):
And and do you have anything todrink?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
um, I'm doing, uh, I'm doing, all right.
Um, sad about the cease anddesist.
I did read it over, though, anddid not mention anything about
Scooby-Doo, so we're going to begoing on there, but I just got
a cup of ice right now.
I'm okay with.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Scooby-Doo.
That's fine.
If you're back next week, wewill just have to get to the
lawyers and go down with thefine print just a little bit
more.
All right, very cool.
So we're going to backtrack alittle bit.
Dw has a hard Mountain Dew,which is funny in a way because

(04:01):
I said, hey, is that Mike's HardLemonade?
Is funny in a way because I Isaid hey, is that a mike's hard
lemonade?
Which brings me back a fewweeks back.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
We had oh, by the way on, on the day of of your birth
, not the actual day of yourbirth, but your birthday, dw we
had a party here for the uh, thestepson and he uh graduated you
know, oh yeah, oh yeah, yes,yeah, which I and I remember,
and thank you, by the way, forthe invite, because I got the
invite and it was like we knowyou're probably not gonna be

(04:31):
able to make it, but hey, socongrats to him by the way um
he's all right graduated.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Now it's on the.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Now is so when does he move out?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Funny story.
We'll talk later, all right, so, anyway, mike's hard lemonade.
We're going to go to that.
My daughter, who is 26 yearsold, she, she was up here, she
was, she was excited, she wantedto spend some time with, with
her dad and have her, you know,be at the party and everything.
So she brought some alcoholicdrinks and a couple of them were

(05:11):
Mike's Hard Lemonades.
Well, anyway, so we weregetting ready for said party and
my lovely queen consort askedme to go to Costco to get the
cake, big old sheet cake, youknow a good cake though, by the
way.
If anybody has not had a Costcocake, uh, dig in, they're

(05:31):
amazing cakes, but anyway.
So, uh, we get in the car it wasmyself, uh, my daughter, uh, my
soon to be stepdaughter, mysoon to be father-in-law, hop in
my, uh, my car and, uh, Iforgot something or whatever.
So I had to run back, kind of,I think, into the garage or

(05:51):
something like that, to comeback in.
Uh, so I get back into the carand, um, I go to buckle up and I
happened to notice, oh, that'swhat I forgot.
I forgot my drink.
So I was going to put my drinkin my cup holder.
That's what I forgot.
I forgot my drink.
So I was going to put my drinkin my cup holder and there was a
can in there and I was like,okay, so I pick it up and it's a

(06:12):
Mike's Hard Lemonade, it's mydaughter's.
And I go, hey, no, opencontainer, you dummy.
And then so anyway.
So yeah, she tried to get me introuble.
I mean it's not that big of adeal, but it could have been.
That's all I'm saying.
But yeah, so anyway, that wasthe thing, ripping story, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I thought it was pretty great.
I was waiting for the punchline.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
There was no.
Well, the punchline was thatshe was trying to get me in.
Yeah, if I got pulled over, Imean it's just an open container
really, because I hadn't beendrinking.
But you know, I still don'twant that on my record.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, it's all right.
New material is hard.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I have no trust me, I have no new material.
Oh, we know.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think yeah.
Ever, Ever I've heard you writeone joke.
No, I didn't hear you write it,but I've heard a new joke that
you did on the stage I have nothe.
The newest joke I've heard fromyou is the uh uh comparisons

(07:23):
between what you would say inthe bedroom and what you would
say ghost hunting.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I like that.
I won't say anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm going to let you say it.
If you want to, I'm not goingto say it.
I know some comedians get weirdabout putting jokes out on the
internet because they want tosave it for their shows.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, well you know I'm not really going to have any
shows, so it doesn't reallymatter.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, because you haven't written any new jokes,
I'm not trying that hard either.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
to be fair, I'm just kind of letting life come to me.
I'm not going to go chasingthings, you know why.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
No reason, that's how people with no dreams live.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
So yeah, that's yeah yeah no dreams baby john olsen,
what's that?
No, okay.
Um, I did watch the the videothat you mentioned on youtube
for that movie that you were in.
I I thought those jokes werepretty good.
I love that you commented onthere that this is for a movie

(08:32):
making sure people knew why noone was laughing exactly, yeah I
mean, which was good?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was smart about it.
That's what you saw.
I have so many like the.
The scenes with me in it arefreaking amazing, did you not
see it?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I only saw the jokes.
I stopped watching halfwaythrough.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I don't blame you really.
The scenes, especially the not,they're cut, obviously.
Whatever, they're not completeyet.
Those are my favorite thingsand yeah, I really enjoyed that.
Wow, that's almost 15 years ago.
Wow, thanks for bringing thatup.
That's cool.

(09:12):
Appreciate that, yeah.
So, anyway, might as well getgoing on this thing because, you
know, like hopefully less of atrain wreck than the last one,
but I mean, at this point, whoreally cares either way?
So, first of all, I just wantto say, if anybody out there
wants to, if they, you know, ifthey want to get a hold of us,

(09:34):
you can get a hold of DW at DWSerene Comedian on Facebook.
You can find me at John WilsonComedian 2.0 on Facebook.
You can find us both togetheron Facebook.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
But not a couple.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Nope, we On Facebook.
You can find us both togetheron Facebook, but not a couple.
Nope, we're definitely not acouple.
You can find us at theScolarius page.
We also have a TikTok.
It's called Scolarius8.
And an Instagram called guesswhat?
Scolarius.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Scoliosis.
Anyway, all right, and if youwant to get a hold of us, you
can email us at scolariaspod atgmailcom.
Or if you want to go back andlisten to every single episode
that we have, you can atscolariaspodbuzzsproutcom.
And if you want to get merch,you can go to crowdmadecom

(10:23):
forward, slash Scalarius and getmerch there.
No need to go over what themerch is.
If you're not going to go tothe thing when I say
crowdmadecom forward, slashScalarius, there's really no
reason to go through the merch.
But you can help some brothersout and go and get the merch if

(10:45):
you want to.
If you really do really, if youreally do like the show, you'll
go do that.
If you don't really like theshow, you won't.
So it doesn't really matter atthat point.
But yeah, and I think that'sthat's that's all I do.
Zach, is there a place you wantpeople to find you for some
reason?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, definitely you can find me on Instagram at Zach
Sharf.
Find me on Facebook.
I do a lot of posting onFacebook.
Just my name, zach Scharf.
You can also find me onSnapchat.
That's probably the number onething I use is Snapchat.
It's what most of my promotingis on Zach Sharf.

(11:26):
Tiktok, fat Zach.
A lot of dots, a lot of dots.
I don't have a page where youcan buy merch.
All you got to do is just cometo my show, which I have a show
this Friday in Rochester.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh, cool Nice.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Zen Fusion.
It's going to be a great show.
You can buy my merch thereplease.
I'm poor.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm a comedian, yeah that's why I don't say I'm a
comedian anymore, because Idon't want people thinking I'm
poor.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So yeah, you're poor for other reasons I that?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
that is not true.
I'm very rich.
I'm actually rich in life.
I have a woman who loves me.
I have a great family.
I have in life god that blessesme, uh like forever and always.
I'm pretty rich in life, Idon't care about anyone that
loves you can't pay for amortgage.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I can't, I.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I I don't she loves you a lot, yeah, yeah, in life
but but hey, how's the uh carrunning?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
because remember we had this running thing where
every week your car had some newissue with it I think it's on
fire right now, but other thanthat, I think, um no, no, it's
been pretty good Knock on wood.
I don't know.
I think I might have an oilleak.
If I do, it's probably becauseof the place that changed.
It Probably just didn't screwthe.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know the thing on the oil drain plug.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, so I don't know .

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I lost a car that way too, you lost a car.
That way too, you lost a car,that way.
Oh yeah, did you find?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
it yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It was having an oil drain and we noticed it and I
was like, oh, that's no good.
So we stopped at a gas stationto get some oil.
I was like I got to at leastget it home.
So I put some more oil in,hoping that would be enough.
And it and did not work,because we drove for a while and
then engine blew out and we hadto pull off to the side of the
road and I ended up selling itto a guy who had to tow it away.

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So wow.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, it's just little drips, so it's not
pouring out by any means, but Imean yeah but still it's kind of
concerning it is?
uh, yeah, I'll have to go havethem check it out.
Anyway, literally, tomorrow Ihave to work, since bringing
this up that's cool, um, butyeah.
So, uh, I have brought you alltogether today, uh, to discuss.

(14:02):
Well, first of all, you know wewere going to get everything
this happens all the time buthey, this is kind of on topic,
so I guess, why not, we can talkabout it.
So, uh, we're, you're heretoday to talk about the wardens,
ed and lorraine, but you can'treally talk about the warrens
right now without talking aboutthe fact that some stupid
comedian bought the Warrens likeestate, essentially the house

(14:29):
and everything in it.
Yeah, what do you think of that?
What?
Yeah, matt Rife, you know theguy who doesn't do comedy, just
talks to the crowd.
Yeah, he's the one Like him.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Seems to be doing better than us.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I don't care how he does, I'm just talking about
what he does.
I don't care how he does, I'mjust talking about what he does.
I don't care how he does.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
So he bought the whole.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is he a?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
paranormal enthusiast .

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't know.
I always thought he just likedhitting on chicks and making
reels about it.
I have no idea.
I didn't know he was intoanything, to be fair.
I know no idea.
I didn't know he was intoanything, to be fair, I know he
saw Kill Tony too, wasn't he?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
He was on there once, wasn't he on?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Wild N' Out or something too.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
He was on something else I can't remember what it
was.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Just kicking it or something.
I don't know what it's called.
It was on MTV or VH1.
Yeah, he was on Wild and Out.
Yeah, okay, I don't know he wason that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Oh, he was on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, what, what.
I can't believe that Really.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He was on Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
That's such a great show.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I know right.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I did look it up.
He says he has publiclyexpressed a keen interest in
paranormal, even labelinghimself himself as obsessed with
all things paranormal so I mean, you kind of have to be if
you're gonna buy a whole estateyou do?
Yeah, I agree you should gethim on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, we could try, why not?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm sure he would love it Right after you slammed
him.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm sure he'd be happy to be on it.
I mean, that's actually thebest kind of podcast, isn't it?
It's when they all have theargument Listen, I don't have
any problem with anybody.
I feel I'm nice and kind andeverything.
I'm just saying.
My thing is, I'm telling itlike I see it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So if Melissa McCarthy were, you know we're
interested in being on the show.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Absolutely.
Melissa McCarthy has a greatmovie.
It's called Tammy.
I enjoy the crap out of thatmovie.
That's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I was thinking of a different movie.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
No, there's no different movie Bridesmaids.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Or Kristen Wiig.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Leslie Jones.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, they wanted to be on the show and they're on a
paranormal podcast.
I can think of one film thatthey may want to discuss.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Kristen Wiig is also on Bridesmaids.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
She's also on another movie that I was thinking of,
though oh, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Um, no bridesmaids, what I was thinking of, yeah
yeah, two girls, no and lesliejones yep and um oh, kate
mckinnon oh, she's on snl, yeah,but she's in this, she's in
this movie that I think would bevery uh fitting so I I don't

(17:30):
think, I can't think of any.
Kate mckinnon, oh, the one withuh zach alpinakis, were they
all like?
Were there hillbillies?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
no, it was a different movie minecraft movie.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's what it was oh , I don, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know Either way.
So Matt Rife buys the stuff, sohe's now in possession of the
Annabelle doll, which is scaryas all heck.
So I mean, yeah, that's thething, guys, you know, comedian

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into the paranormal.
What do you think of that?
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I know, maybe I don't know Now that Matt Rife has
done it, maybe now everybodywill be like, oh, paranormal
comedy.
That would be amazing.
They should put that togethersometime and have an episode.
I don't know, maybe have like80, 90 episodes of a podcast
about it.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Maybe, maybe they could do that I don't something
like that, so it maybe.
And then here's the thing sincewe're we're not matt rife rich
maybe we maybe we can find alike.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Uh, maybe we need to find like a haunted porta potty
that we can buy you know, sincewe can't afford an estate I mean
to be fair every porta potty'shaunted I work with porta
potties, I could definitely findone.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
I could do my investigations, I could find out
which one.
And here's.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Here's the thing.
You would walk in there and belike I am definitely getting a
very weird aura when I step intodefinitely demonic, there's
that smell.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I learned that.
I learned that from watchingconjuring.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
They smell bad oh did , oh yeah, that's right I
finally watched it that's verycool.
Well, the conjuring kind ofleads right into what we're
talking about today and that'sed and lorraine warren.
Well, actually, we kind of ledoff with ed and lorraine warren
too, because you know we then wehad to start talking about matt
rife, like okay, so just wantto throw this out there.
Um, I know this is not a videopodcast, but um, comedians are

(19:40):
not good looking.
They're just not I mean, I am,but other comedians just not
good looking, and the fact thathe is makes me feel he's not
really a comedian.
So it's all good.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I just, you know, just saying um, um, so john
doesn't speak for everyone, andif matt wanted to be on the show
, I would.
I would be okay.
Matt will never be on the show.
I would be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Matt will never be on the show, and let me tell you
why.
Because he just wouldn't.
First of all, if I emailed him,he wouldn't answer it.
Second of all, he would just belike it's hilarious, it sounds
stupid.
And then he wouldn't do it,just like everybody else that's
ever looked into wanting to beon the show, except for the 75
other people that were on thisthat blessed us with their

(20:27):
presence, and I appreciate everysingle second that they were on
here.
That was pretty amazing.
So, yeah, other than that, therest of them, I don't think it's
even going to be a thing, dw.
So I don't even know why you'retrying.
That's all right, it's all cool.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm just trying to keep my options open.
Unlike you, I don't like toburn bridges, so I'm just saying
who's burning bridges.
You're saying he's not going tobe on here.
I'm just saying, if he wantedto, I would not be opposed to
that.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
My thing is if he wanted to, I would not be
opposed to it either.
I have no problem whatsoever,I'm just yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Just saying I think it would be hilarious.
I think what would be awesomeis if we could get Melissa
McCarthy, kate McKinnon andLeslie Jones First of all, not
Leslie Jones, why not?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
She ranks up there with Crocs and things like that.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh my gosh, john, what?
So maybe we have an episodewhere John isn't on it, and then
we can have all these coolpeople yeah, can I be part of
that one?
Yeah, oh, that would be so cool.
So you and me, zach, and thenall the cool people that are in
um a certain movie, yeah, that'sright, you can't I haven't said

(21:56):
it yeah, exactly I feel like weskipped past a year, like in
2016.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, I don't know I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It was almost 10 years ago, so it doesn't matter,
it's all, almost it's all inthe past.
You know what I mean?
It's all in the past.
So, all right, can we, can weget on to ed and lorraine,
because I I feel like theirflowers.
We need to give them to them,don't you think?
I mean, we've been trying totalk about them for two weeks
now and everything keeps gettingin the way, including matt rife

(22:27):
.
So well, you did that.
So well, I didn't really do it,I just figured, hey, like we,
it kind of needs to be talkedabout, because you can't put out
a warrens thing withoutsomebody's gonna be like, oh,
did you hear matt right?
And yeah, so then we're goingto have to talk about it.
It's all over the place, it'sall over the YouTubes.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think it's really cool.
I think it is and it's a reallyreally big coincidence that I
just watched Conjuring for thefirst time and literally the
next day I'm going throughTikTok and Matt Rife is on there
talking about the mansion, so Ithought it was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I don't have anything against matt rife I don't have
anything against matt rifeeither it's a very interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Like you, you hear about the weird things people do
when they all of a sudden getfamous and rich and stuff like
that and they buy a monkey orbuy some you know like million
dollar car or whatever that theydon't drive.
Matt bought a haunted house,that's I mean it's not the first
.
Zach Bagans did it too yeah but, I, don't whatever, I don't pay

(23:39):
attention to it you have ZachBagans on the brain dude.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't have Zach Bagans on the brain, I'm just
saying he did it too.
You know the Demon House inIndiana or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
He bought that as a sequel.
Zach Bagans is known forparanormal.
Matt is known for his comedyZach.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Bagans is known for paranormal and going way over
the top and just beingridiculous Right and Matt Rife
is known for just beingridiculous.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Okay, if you want to move on, let's move on from all
that.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Thank you, I'm just kind of tired of this whole Matt
Rife talk.
I don't know why you brought itup.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, well, so All right.
So, moving on, fred Rogers gota lifetime achievement Emmy in
1997 and the presidential medalof freedom in 2002 and was
inducted into the televisionhall of fame in 1999.
So I thought that was a goodway to segue off of good for him

(24:41):
.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
What do you do, Basil ?
Can we move on to Ed andLorraine Warren?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Jeez, you talk about Fred Rogers and all of a sudden
you don't want anything to dowith it, did he?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Was he a director?
No, Fred Rogers was the guy whodanced with Fred.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Oh, Mr Rogers.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, mr Rogers With Fred Astaire oh, I never watched
he was yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Mr Rogers with Fred the Stare oh.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I never watched he was.
He was like I feel like I grewup with him and so when he
passed away, I definitely feltlike, like you know, when people
like some celebrity dies andpeople take it really personally
and they just cry and whatever.

(25:27):
That was me with fred rogers,like I felt like I knew him and
so it was very sad for me when,when he passed, see, now I feel
bad because I was sitting theresaying that stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
So thank you well yeah, you should be feeling bad
like I'm not feeling bad, thefact that I don't like him.
I'm feeling bad, that you feltbad, see, because that's what a
kind, gentle friend would feellike, because I have empathy
towards you.
That's what that is.
You felt bad, so therefore Ifeel bad now.
That's how that works, eventhough it was about Fred Rogers

(26:01):
all right yeah exactly like fredrogers I don't know if ed
warren did.
Who's ed warren?
Oh yeah, that guy.
So anyway, all right, you don'twant to know who ed warren is.
He was a virgo, by the way.
It doesn't matter, because allthat stuff's hooey anyway, but
september 7th 1926 ed warren wasborn.

(26:25):
Whoa 1926 he'd be.
He's 99, he would be that waswould be, would be, he would be
99 getting there.
Um well, actually no, notreally, he's 90, he'd be 98 this
year, but next year well, no,he's, he's turning next year,
he's turning 99 in september, orwould be, oh yes yes, my bad,

(26:49):
uh, yeah, oh goshsee if I'm gonna get past the
man, mr rogers, I probably wouldhave caught up with the right,
because he taught you theseimportant things.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, I have a degree how to be a caring person and
you know whatever cool, justcan't tell it.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
When it comes to birth years and ed warren,
apparently I don't know mrrogers would have loved matt
rice.
That's all I got is theconnection in rochester bad?
I think it is.
It's about to.
We're about to lose connectionwith somebody.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
All right, so we were freaking out just just due to
the fact that he was born in1926.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I mean, didn't even get past that no, I was just
saying okay, so he's born in1926.
All right, next, okay.
So he ended up meeting good oldlorraine, lorraine rita moran,
who was was born January 31st of1927.
See, he was younger than her.
I mean, she was younger thanhim.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh, geez, I still can't even figure out the
greater than or less than likewhich is no math, it's still no
math.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, anyway, so they , you know, they got married on
January 11th.
They got married on January11th of no, that's not true.
They got married in 1945.
On January 11th of 1946, theygave birth to their daughter,
judy, who was in the Conjuringright.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Right Zach yes.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Wrong age, I think, though.
Yeah, most definitely wrong age, by the way, so I don't know if
you guys want to do the math orwhatever else, but 1946.
19-ish, 20-ish, yeah.
You know, the Warrens werefaith-based at least seemingly

(28:44):
faith-based and they alwaysbelieved that demonic forces
were likely to possess those wholacked faith, which makes
perfect sense because, you know,if a demon was going to attach
to anybody, they might as wellattach to people who aren't
going to turn to God by anymeans whatsoever.
But, um, in 1952 the warrensfounded the new england society

(29:08):
for psychic research, which isnesper, which is still around,
by the way.
Uh, actually I don't know ifit's still around now or not,
because matt rife bought thestuff.
So I don't know if he boughtnesper or not.
I don't know if that's actuallypart of.
I don't don't want to say hedid, but if he did, then he now
owns that.
If he didn't, then whatever.

(29:29):
But it is the oldest ghosthunting group in New England.
They have several books thatthey authored and they've to
investigate well over 10 000cases during their career.
10 000 like a normal, likeghost telling group might do.

(29:54):
What a couple cases a month,right, 10 000.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Dwo, not the greatest in math, but thousand dwo not
the greatest in math, but I mean.
So ten thousand is more thanten.
Okay, just trying to help johnhere.
So john is a hundred thousandmore or less than ten thousand
um 10,000.

(30:24):
Zach knows the answer.
This is audio.
They can't hear you.
Raise your hand, zach, Ibelieve it's more.
Very good yes.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Glad you didn't answer me.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
So DW the Warrens were some of the first people to
investigate the Amityvillehouse which we talked about.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, and not to bring up Matt Reif again, but no
, and I'm bringing this up for agood reason, because I'm
reading that he bought it andhe'll have legal he's legal
guardians until 2030.
He noted that the museum willbe opening back up and patrons

(31:09):
will be able to spend the nightinside.
So, oh, it's a cash grab.
I I mean, that's not what I wasgoing for, but I guess it could
be all right cool, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
He likes the paranormal so much he's going to
make money off of it.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Maybe he wants other people to experience it.
Yeah, experience the paranormalSure it does, I do simply.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Maybe, we can book a night in there and maybe we'll
actually meet Matt.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I don't care if I meet Matt, but I would Spending
a night there.
That'd be kind of cool.
I'm not going to lie, it's notgoing to matter any.
I mean Matter.
So, spooky ghost, spooky ghosts, don't scare me.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Probably watch a movie.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's all good.
The cool thing is we canliterally watch Annabelle Comes
Home.
Spooky ghosts, don't scare me,probably watch a movie.
It's all good.
Yeah, the cool thing is we canwatch it.
We can literally watchAnnabelle Comes Home, because
that supposedly took place intheir home, so that'd be kind of
cool.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Let's think of like a 2016 movie or something.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, there are several movies in 2016 that I
would like to watch.
One of them can't be mentionedon this show anymore, so we're
going to move on, aren't we?
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Oh, my word, all right.
So, among everything thatthey've all done, they've

(32:43):
actually had some skeptics, andyou know DW is going to have to
speak to this, because ifanybody knows skeptics, it's,
it's dw, but skeptics.
Perry deangelis and stevennovella investigated the
warren's evidence and describedit as blarney I don't know
that's a.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I find that very interesting.
I don't.
I don't hear a lot of even alot of skeptics use the word
blarney.
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, I'm assuming they're from across the pond,
but I could be wrong.
Oh, I suppose yeah could be.
Skeptical investigators, joeNickel and Benjamin Radford,
concluded that the better-knownhauntings Amityville and the
Snedeker family hauntings didnot happen at all and it had
been invented.
So, DW, me and you went overthe Amityville stuff and I said

(33:36):
that there was a good chance, agood chance that it didn't
happen at all and that they werejust profiting, so to speak,
off of the murder of the sevenpeople.
That happened less than a yearbefore they bought the house.
But I mean, there was someevidence that was picked up
there that nobody could explaineither.

(33:57):
So I don't know, could it havebeen residual, who knows?
But it was there, all right.
So we're going to talk abouttheir notable investigations.
First of all, annabelle, who isthe child of Matt Rife.

(34:19):
Now, apparently, matt Rife isAnnabelle's daddy Pause.
Matt Rife is Annabelle's daddyPause.
In 1970, a Raggedy Ann doll wasbasically brought to them.
It was supposedly possessed bya young girl named Annabelle
Higgins.
The Warrens took the doll,telling the people that it was

(34:47):
being manipulated by, you know,an inhuman presence, and they
put it on display at the occultmuseum which matt rife now owns,
so annabelle's there uh,recently on tour, uh, when it
was, but that was matt rifethat's, that's what I thought
you meant.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Is he going?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
to open.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, with opener Annabelle doll.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh my gosh, that's good.
You know how cool that would be, though Some say she killed, ah
, and he's back Anyway.
So, yeah, the Annabelle dollsthere among like 680 some other

(35:35):
artifacts that are there in thatmuseum that Matt Reif now owns,
and then, of course, the moviethat you were talking about um
the one in 2016?
no, not that one.
Oh, the conjuring, theconjuring movie that happened in

(35:56):
in harrisville, rhode island.
Um, it's the home of theparents, it's parent parent, did
they even say I don't know, butit's the conjuring house and um
, it was supposedly reallyreally haunted.
Um, as you can tell, like,obviously, the movie the
conjuring uh, ramped up somestuff.

(36:16):
You can't really, I mean, who,who's to say that really
actually happened the way it didin the movie, or whatever, but,
um, they said that, uh, uh,according to lorraine, who
happened to be a, uh, is she amedium, a clairvoyant?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
right a clairvoyant oh, what's the what?
What's the hang on?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
clairvoyant, somebody who can uh well, I don't know,
I thought they were all the same, but I could be wrong.
Clairvoyant.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'm pretty sure you can float in water or something.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's buoyant.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
No.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
See, I'm a man of science.
See, I'm a man of science yeah,you're right.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm sorry I missed here at all my notes.
Uh, it said lorraine warren,the human bobber, um, anyway,
all right.
So, according to LorraineBathsheba Sherman, yeah,

(37:38):
sacrificed her son to the deviland after that cursed the land,
that whoever lived there somehowdied a terrible death.
I, I don't know.
You know, you can say whatever.
I who knows if that's true ornot.
It could be part of thatblarney thing that they were

(38:01):
talking about earlier.
Of course, amityville,obviously.
This is Amityville, new York.
This is where the Lutz familyand they moved into the house
after the murders and said awhole bunch of stuff started

(38:24):
happening and everybody andtheir mom came and investigated
it.
Um, in 1979 lawyer williamweber stated that he, jay anson
and the occupants, invented thehorror story over many bottles
of wine.
So I don't know if that's partof the blarney or not, but it

(38:49):
seems to say it was.
Then you have the EnfieldPoltergeist.
Now, if you've seen movies, theConjuring Part 2 actually is
the basis for this one.
It's 1977.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
What it was actually made in 2016.
The Conjuring 2.
I swear On everything.
I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
The Conjuring 2.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a good year, isn't it?
Great year, Great year, okay,anyway, in 1977, which was also
a great year as well this year Iwas died, not saying that was
great, I'm just saying it was agreat year, not because of that,
but whatever the year you livedthat he lived for that year too
.
He died in august, so he livedthrough half of it okay.

(39:39):
In 1977, the warrensinvestigated claims that a
family in the north londonsuburb of menfield was haunted
by a poltergeist activity.
While a number of independentobservers dismissed the incident
as a hoax carried on by anattention-hungry child, the
Warrens were convinced that itwas a case of demonic possession
.
As we know, the story wasinspiration for the Conjuring 2,

(40:16):
and although critics say theWarrens were involved to a far
lesser degree than portrayed inthe movie in fact the couple had
shown up to the scene uninvited.
They were consequently refusedadmittance to the home.
So everything that happened inthe movie didn't happen because
they weren't allowed there, sothat's kind of funny in a way.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I actually fell asleep.
What's that?
I fell asleep watching that thesecond time, did you?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, I did.
Okay, but you know it explainsit it does.
All right.
So then you have Arnie Johnson.
Now this kid.
Apparently he was accused ofkilling his landlord, alan Bono,
and basically Ed and Lorrainewere called prior to the killing

(40:57):
to deal with the allegeddemonic possession of the
younger brother of Johnson'sfiance, brother of Johnson's
fiance.
The Warrens subsequentlyclaimed that Johnson was also
possessed At trial because thiswent to trial.
At trial, johnson attempted toplead not guilty by reason of
demonic possession but wasunsuccessful with his plea.

(41:18):
The case was described in the1983 book the Devil in
Connecticut by Gerald Brittle.
So I mean there's a whole.
There's a lot of connectionshere and almost every single one

(41:39):
of them is that they feel thateverything that happens is a
demonic possession, feel thateverything that happens is a
demonic possession.
So that kind of leads back towhat our good friend Brandon,
who is the supernatural sleuth,said, that every ghost is a

(42:02):
demon.
Now, if you were to look atthis, are you telling me that
all this demonic activity ishappening in in that, or or are
they just saying it's demons toget more reaction?

(42:22):
just no, just throwing it outthere now.
Now that kind of goes to showlike is it blarney, so to speak?
I love using that word.
I'm going to use itcontinuously, I think.
Is it blarney, or is there thatmuch demonic activity?
And is it always surrounding EdLorraine Warren?

(42:43):
Now, ed is demonologist.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Self-proclaimed.
Self-proclaimed.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Demonologist, which means that obviously I don't
know what that just means.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
It means you.
Well, for starters, she made upthe term demonologist, didn't
she?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I thought so.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
So that's like saying I'm a a waterologist and I'm a
self-proclaimed waterologist.
I'm an expert in water, I don'tknow.
I I self-proclaimed, I'mself-proclaimed, so I can say
whatever I want to well, I it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
it kind of brings me, I don't know, you know it, I
mean, Like saying that we'restand-up comedians.
Okay, so what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I'm a self-proclaimed stand-up comedian.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Anybody can cast out demons, right, I mean, that's it
.
I mean, if you have faith, youcan do it.
So, because the pharisees backin the day, in in christ time,
used to cast out demons all thetime, but it doesn't mean that
it's, you know, legit orwhatever.
I mean it doesn't mean thatyou're doing it for the right
reason.
So, um, knowing that you can doit and calling yourself a

(44:17):
demonologist doesn't mean like I, I just like I don't know how
close they were with with thechurch when you know, um, with
how they were doing this stuff,but I just I don't know.
It's kind of a touchy thingthere.
You don't want to like, youdon't want to say that you're

(44:40):
something that you aren't.
I'm a self-proclaimed bestpodcast host of this generation,
so I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, that's blurting .

Speaker 1 (44:53):
See, see, look at that, all right.
The Snedeker House.
In 1986, ed and Lorraine Warrenarrived and proclaimed the
Snedeker House, a former funeralhome, to be infested with
demons.
Infested yes, the case wasfeatured in a 1993 book In a

(45:14):
Dark Place, the Story of a TrueHaunting, a TV film that later
became part of the DiscoveryChannel series A Haunting.
It's actually pretty good.
I've seen that one.
It was produced in 2002.
The haunting in connecticut, afilm based on the warren's
version of events and directedby pete cornwall, was released
in 2009 wasn't 2016?

(45:36):
Just want to throw that outthere?
Horror author ray garton, whowrote an account of the alleged
haunting of the snedeker familyin Sodlington, connecticut,
later called into question theveracity of accounts contained
in the book, saying the familyinvolved, which was going
through some serious problemslike alcoholism, drug addiction

(45:58):
and cancer, by the way, couldnot keep their story straight,
and I became frustrated.
It's hard writing a nonfictionbook when all the people
involved are telling youdifferent stories To.
Paranormal investigatorBenjamin Radford Garden said of
Lorraine if she told me the sunwould come up tomorrow morning,

(46:18):
I'd get a second opinion.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
That's an interesting quote, wow Huh.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okay, A lot of Blarney going on.
A lot of Blarney happening, Allright.
The Smurl family Pennsylvaniaresidents, Jack and Janet Smurl
reported their home wasdisturbed by numerous
supernatural phenomenon,including sounds, smells and
apparitions.
The Warrens became involved andclaimed that the Smurl home was
occupied by four spirits andalso a demon that allegedly

(47:03):
sexually assaulted Jack andJanet.
Spectrophilia Haven't talkedabout that in a while.
Dw.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Didn't know.
Bill Cosby died.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
What, what.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Didn't know.
Bill cosby died.
All right, this is a comedypodcast.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Okay, no, try things out you can't do that, you
realize, okay.
So first of all, yes, I meanthat's a funny line out of you
know whatever, but you can't dothat right now.
We, gen x, has lost like threequarters of the of the.
We've lost everybody in thelast like three weeks and you're

(47:45):
all of a sudden it's I mean,okay, it's bill cosby.
It's kind of like when oj died,like okay, yeah, it's, I hope
everything goes well in theafterlife.
But I mean, you know, whateverkid just can't throw that out
there.
Geez, geez, louises, um, okay,so four spirits, also a demon

(48:10):
that actually sexually assaultedjack and janet, not bill cosby.
The squirrels version was asubject of a 1986 paperback
titled the haunted andtelevision film of the same name
, directed by robert mandel, aswell as the conjuring last
rights, which is the lastconjuring movie that is coming

(48:30):
out.
Hence last rights.
Okay, ed war Warren's bookGraveyard True Hauntings from an
Old New England Cemeteryfeatures a white lady ghost
which haunts Union Cemetery.
Claimed to have captured heressence on film A white lady.

(48:53):
White lady.
The Warrens were responsiblefor training several
self-described immunologists,including dave considine and
their nephew, john zaffis.
Now I've heard of john.
I heard he's a really nice guy.
I don't want anything likeplease listen, we're just we're

(49:13):
trying to be objective on hereand entertaining.
I'm not saying that any of thisstuff is actually real, just
saying what the notes that I'vetaken and what I'm reading.
I'm not trying to disparage thename of Ed or Lorraine Warren
and I'm not trying to doanything other than, I guess,

(49:39):
inform and, well, entertain.
For the most part and LorraineWarren were members of the Roman
Catholic Church, so I mean, youknow, I don't know what the
church thinks of demonologists.
I would like to actuallyinvestigate on that to be fair

(50:04):
and see what they would think.
But, like I said, they marriedin 1945.
Yeah, unfortunately, ed diedAugust 23rd of 2006, and
Lorraine died on April 18th of2019.

(50:24):
They're both buried at theStepney Cemetery in Monroe,
connecticut.
That is Ed and Lorraine.
That is Ed and Lorraine.
Now there are some things and,like I said, I'm not trying to
poo-poo on the memory of Ed andLorraine Warren, but there's

(50:46):
other stuff.
We're just going to go throughit.
So, in 2017, judith Pennyclaimed that she had a 40-year
sexual relationship with Ed,starting when she was 15 years
old.
According to Penny, when shebecame pregnant, lorraine
persuaded her to have anabortion because the birth of a

(51:07):
child would become a publicscandal and could ruin the
Warren's business.
Penny also claimed to havewitnessed the couple engaged in
physical abuse.
Lorraine had it written into hercontract for the Conjuring film
series that she and Ed couldnot be portrayed engaging in
extramarital affairs or engagingin crimes like sex with a minor

(51:27):
.
The Warren's daughter andson-in-law stated they never saw
any of the alleged conductduring the decades they spent
with the Warrens and Penny.
So we have to go with what Judyand Tony Sparrow say, and
that's probably what's the wordof the day.
Dw learning that's probablyBlarney.

(51:51):
So yeah, it's, it's okay totalk about the accusations, but
when the daughter, theson-in-law, are saying like that
didn't happen, you got to kindof take the benefit of the doubt
from them, the closest peopleto them, and yeah, we're going

(52:11):
to say that it was again DW.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, you know what I don't want to say it again, dw.
Well, you know what I don't, Idon't want to say I situations
like that, you, it becomeshearsay, it becomes he said, she
said, type of thing, and Idon't want to uh take away from
what what uh penny claimshappened, if it actually did

(52:48):
happen, so I don't know.
It's again it.
It's hard to say when you youhave.
I mean that that's what makesthose cases so tough is it ends
up being just witness accountsand so with no evidence, stuff
doesn't happen, and that's howpeople like cosby get away with
things exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
So we're going to say this if it happened, it sucks.
Sorry for the victim, so tospeak.
It it's, it's a crappysituation.
If it didn't happen, stillsucks, still sucks.
Legacies get tarnished andthat's not entirely fair either.
All right, so according to a1997 interview with the

(53:26):
Connecticut Post, steve Novellaand Perry DeAngelis we talked
about them earlier investigatedthe warrants for the New England
Skeptical Society DW.
Oh hey.
Skeptical society, dw, oh hey.
They found the couple to bepleasant people but their claims
of demons and ghosts to bequote at best as tellers of

(53:47):
meaningless ghost stories and atworst dangerous frauds.
They took the 13 tour andlooked at all the the evidence
the Warrens had for spirits andghosts.
They watched the videos andlooked at the best evidence the
Warrens had.
Their conclusion was that it'sall blarney.

(54:09):
They found common errors withflash photography and nothing
evil in the artifacts theWarrens had collected.
Quote they have a ton of fishstories about evidence that got
away.
They're not doing goodscientific investigation.
They have a predeterminedconclusion which they adhere to

(54:32):
literally and religiously.
According to Novella, lorraineWarren said that the problem
with Perry and Steve is thatthey quote they don't base
anything on a God.
I respect that?
Okay, novella responded.
It takes work to do solidcritical thinking, to actually

(54:54):
employ your intellectualfaculties and come to a
conclusion that actuallyreflects reality.
That's what scientists do everyday and that's what skeptics
advocate.
Okay, fair enough, but what?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
so it makes sense that if you're not good with
your camera and every time youtake a flash picture you think
that the glare from the windowis a spirit, and then you take

(55:29):
thousands of pictures, you'regoing to claim that you captured
thousands of spirits, butyou're basically making the same
mistake over and over again.
That's kind of what I'm gettingfrom.
That is that they um so commonerrors.
Like they do something wrong,they credit it as hearing a

(55:51):
ghost, and then they just dothat over and over again and
claim they've gotten severalpieces of evidence, you know.
And then the thing is what Imean?
I like that they use the, theum spectrum of possibly just

(56:12):
meaningless but also possiblydangerous frauds, like that's
really quite the accusation tosay that it's possible that
they're just making this all upto appear to be, you know,
paranormal experts and make amake a bug.

(56:32):
Really.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, the thing that I I got um, the thing that I I
got um out of it and I don'tknow.
I just kind of look at it likethis.
I mean they're not name callingor anything.
Uh, they said they were bothpleasant people to just have a
disagreement.
Yeah, and that is um.
She said they don't baseanything on a god, which to me

(57:02):
means that what she's doing isbased on faith and what they're
doing is based on science, andthat's always going to clash, no
matter what no matter whatalways and forever.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
So um well, and also that they have a predetermined
conclusion.
And so you go into a housesaying we're gonna hear some
ghosts today.
Then the unexplained noise thatyou hear you claim to be a
ghost.
That's the other yep thing Igot from that I mean, I don't

(57:39):
know.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
um okay, novella is quoted as saying they, the
warrens, claim to havescientific, scientific evidence,
in which, in they claim to havescientific evidence which does
indeed prove the existence ofghosts, which sounds like a
testable claim into which we cansink our investigation

(58:04):
investigative teeth into.
What we found was a very nicecouple, some genuinely sincere
people, but absolutely nocompelling evidence.
Like I said, they were kind,they just disagreed.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
So alright.
So, basically, we're notbeating up on the Warrens, we're
just telling it like it is andwe're just kind of going through
all the stuff, alright, alright.
In addition to theinvestigations, the rain ran the
Warrens Occult Museum, whichclosed to the public in 2019.

(58:40):
It's in the back of her housein Monroe, connecticut, with the
help of her son-in-law, tonySparrow.
We talked about him earlier.
The museum displays manyclaimed haunted objects and
artifacts from around the world.
Many artifacts from their mostfamous investigations were
featured.
As of 2020, the museum was ownedby Judy Warren and Tony Sparrow

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, which we know who.
Okay, whatever, the museumclosed due to zoning issues and
concerns around the house, beinga residential property that was
being used for non-residentialpurposes.
The museum is still availableto a select few individuals, and
here we go.
What we started with is whatwe'll probably end with, and

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here it is.
In august of 2025, comedianmatt rife announced that he,
along with youtube personalityelton casti, never heard of him
not saying it's not a thing, butbut had purchased the Warren's
home and museum and will be thelegal guardians of all the
featured artifacts until atleast 2030.

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Reif noted that the museum willbe opening back up and patrons
will be able to spend the nightinside.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Interesting indeed, interesting, interesting indeed.
So closing discussion on thewarrens, before we, before we
get into our this or that andget the heck out of here, dw,
anything well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I think we determined that cosby was not a good
person, but there was also amovie around 2016 that everyone
should look into yeah, conjuring2 um else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Uh, I don't know anything about that.
Um, cosby probably was not agood person, but again, neither
one of those people werefeatured in this show, so to
speak, at least not talked aboutentirely.
Just throwing it out there,self-proclaimed demonologist DW

(01:00:56):
that's I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I think they made up the term demonologist and you
can be a self-proclaimedanything.
Really.
I can be a self-proclaimedchiropractor.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I just don't have a degree for it okay, but, like I
said before, you know, like, um,you, you can, uh, you can cast
out demons at any point.

(01:01:35):
You know, um, I'm just you knowit.
It's the thing.
Like I don't know you can do it.
It's just that.
I'm not saying it's right orwrong.
You know, matthew 7, 21 through23 basically says you know, not

(01:01:57):
everybody who says to me, lord,lord, will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but only he who doesthe will of my Father, who is in
heaven.
Many will say to me on that dayLord, lord, do we not
prophesize in your name and dowe not drive out demons and
perform any miracles in yourname?
And then I will declare to themI never knew you Depart from me

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.
So I don't know you can castout the demons, but you better
know what you're doing.
Essentially, lorraine was aclairvoyant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Hooey or not hooey, dw, hard to say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I don't know Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Zach, hooey or not, hooey, yeah, I think it's hard
to say I agree, okay,self-proclaimed is what I keep
coming back to.
Yeah, like really, I reallydon't know you can self-proclaim
in anything like we've multipleexamples we've had, but

(01:03:22):
something very serious like that, even if they did make that up,
like that's a big, serioustopic, you know I mean you can.
You can say like you can beinto, like, study of demons.
I mean technically, yeah, thatmakes you a demonologist because
it's a study of demons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I mean technically, yeah, that makes you a
demonologist because it's astudy of demons, but
self-proclaimed expert no, ifyou study the bible, you're
technically studying demons in away as well, so that makes you
a theologist essentially doesn'tmake you a priest, though
doesn't make you a priest.

(01:03:59):
Though Doesn't make you apriest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
No, okay, okay.
So I feel like a lot of theirthings could be true.
A lot of them can also not betrue.
I feel like the odds are moreof them not being true.
But if everything is 100 truethat they've experienced, how

(01:04:28):
crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
it's a lot of demons, because everything I'm just
saying.
I mean, yeah, there are a lot.
One third of, one third of theangels of heaven fell to the
earth, so there are a lot ofthem.
But what I'm saying is like Idon't know.
It's kind of weird to be incontact with them every single
time.
You know what I mean and, yeah,you know whatever, but the fact

(01:05:05):
is you know, um, yeah, to be,you know, we've had
conversations with ghost hunterson this show for months and
years and whatever, and noteverything is a demon, right so.
But then you know, you look atthe arguably the most popular
ghost hunters on the face of theplanet and they basically said
that everything was a demon.
So, you know, I don't know.

(01:05:29):
It's not meant for ourunderstanding, I guess, is the
way I should put it.
All right.
Their legacy, what do you thinktheir legacy is?
Understanding, I guess, is theway I should put it.
Alright.
Their legacy, what do you thinktheir legacy is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I think Matt Reif will tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Matt Reif is going to tell us the legacy of the
Warrens.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well, not tell us, but it's up to him.
It is in his hands yeah, I mean, because here's the thing I
mean first off he just boughtthis he just did this?
it's hard to say.
Is he just looking to make abuck or is he really into it?

(01:06:15):
And, in a way, so here I'll inhis defense.
And here's the thing.
What if this ends up being areally good thing where his
popular popularity helps thewarren house?
And people who are mattrightife fans hear about this

(01:06:40):
and say what, what do you meanthe warren house?
I've never heard of that beforeand look into it and end up
going there and the warren housegrows in popularity fair.
I I mean right, I mean totallyagree okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
So don't you think at the same time, do you think the
Conjuring series, the Annabelleseries, the Conjuring series,
basically all that stuff, don'tyou think that they, those
movies, put a big old shininglight on the Warrens?
And if it did put a big oldshining light on the warrens,

(01:07:20):
was it a a good light?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
or I mean I feel that they were portrayed very
positively in the movie, so Ifeel like it was a good light.
Um, obviously not everything istrue, but I feel like it was
more positive than negative.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Fair enough, dw still hasn't seen him, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
I haven't seen him.
I recommend it.
I thought I really liked it.
I was also under the influencetoo, so everything was just
crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Well, that won't be me.
I'll have a hard Mountain Dewwhile drinking it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Fair enough, I mean we could probably take this
thing and just expand on everysingle one of their stories.
I don't know, but I feel we'vedone them justice today.
I I think, like I said, we wantto give them their flowers and

(01:08:27):
I will say this, like, despiteall the negativity that that
came about, it's probably allthe criticism um the blarney, so
to speak.
They are by far the mostnotable paranormal investigators
in the history of the world.

(01:08:49):
So I mean, you gotta give themthat.
It's good for them.
I'm glad.
I'm glad they got that.
With that being said, that'sgood for them.
I'm glad I'm glad they got that.
With that being said, I thinkit's time to wrap this baby up,
and you know we can't wrap thisbaby up without, well you know,

(01:09:11):
doing the this or that.
So are we going to do thethree-way, this or that?
Um, that we that we discussedlast, last week?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
well, I mean I did a this or that for zach, so unless
zach, do you want to this orthat me?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I can, uh, I can this or that.
You, I can try and think ofsome stuff, all right, okay, you
can this or that me, and thenwe will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Uh, we, we will.
I mean because you got this orthat it and then.
So therefore, I'll, I'll givethis or that it and then we'll
just we'll this or that.
Uh, dw, some other time allright, great okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
All right, great Okay , let's see.
Off the top of my head, I havethe Netflix going right past
showing everything Netflix orHulu.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Netflix, okay Movies or TV shows.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
That's hard.
I like them both, uh, but myfavorite tv show of all time is
the office.
I've seen like 10 times likethe whole real thing, so I'm
gonna say tv show tv show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Okay, sticking with the office um uk or us us yes,
uh, best answer uk was only oneseason.
It was a great season, but itwas only one season so I think
there was a few, but yeah, Icouldn't even get into it.
British humor is oh, it's like2016 movies.
Swear um, um, okay, uh, okay.

(01:10:58):
Man, this is harder than Ithought that's what she?
Said there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Write it down.
Paranormal or Not paranormal, Idon't know.
Or not paranormal, I don't knowParanormal.
Okay, eating in or eating out,john.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
What he eats, so much he can't picture a situation
where he's not eating.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I eat so much, whatever.
Too bad, nobody could see this.
I just flexed and my shirt justripped, anyway, anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I think that was another stretch mark being added
.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Look at that, look at these freaking chat.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Okay, anyway, um I got my bills paid uh, I'm gonna
say I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I man, I like chinese buffets, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
So I can tell yeah, can you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
so eating out yeah, okay, I need to phase what I
said, right so chinese buffets?

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
okay, so going into the chinese buffet noodles or
rice, rice, rice, fried rice orwhite rice, less carbs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Uh well, less starch, but I mean starch, but it's
still I mean it's a carb, it'sless carbs.
Uh well, less starch, but Imean it's starch, but it's still
, I mean it's a carb, it's lesscarbs.
Um man, I do.
I like eggs in my rice, man, soI'm gonna have to go with fried
.
I, I mean, steamed is obviouslythe healthiest choice, but I
like the eggs and in Lookingpast healthy, because healthy

(01:12:59):
sometimes isn't the best option.
You know, healthy is mostlikely the best option.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Well, like taste-wise , okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Fried rice yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
We'll get a few more in and then we'll move on.
You know what?
We'll just do this last one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Okay, a few more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
One quick, I think he froze at the the most uh at the
most.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yeah, is he gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
do the last.
What's what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
how come this always happens?
Where does what is who?
Who's this internet provider?
I had an argument with minebefore I got on here.
Who's his?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
we need to talk oh, I think that's so funny.
He's like all right, one more,here it comes, and then that's
when he what if he's?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
not really frozen.
What if he's just sitting there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
what if he's all?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
right, what if he's not really frozen?
He's just sitting there andwe're we're sitting there
talking.
He's holding it the whole time.
He's doing amazing.
All right, ask me the lastquestion.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
You froze just before that, so we were waiting like
you guys, froze too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
I don't know what happened there all right um,
okay, dw, you can answer thisone as well, if you want to matt
rife or john olson john olson.
It's so narcissistic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
No, it's not narcissistic, I'm just.
I'm not going to choose someother dude when I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
If Matt ever took me on tour, I think that'd be.
I think it'd be a great opener,because it'd be like, you know,
here's the before picture, andthen matt comes out, here's
after you've worked out, orsomething like that I don't know
, so I'm gonna go with mattawesome, that's a great answer
oh yeah I don't even know whojohn olsen is so always a

(01:15:14):
sellout, always a sellout, oh,always a sellout.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Oh, tim Allen, now I'm open for you.
Always a sellout, always abigger, better deal, no loyalty,
none at all.
Dragging you along for 89episodes and no damn loyalty
whatsoever.
That's fine, that's cool.
I see how this goes.
It's all right, I can handle it.
I'm a big boy.
That's fine, seems like youcan't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
No, I'm handling just fine, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Well, you know that, that episode what's?

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
that I said this is probably my last episode well,
well it's great to be on here,guys.
I really appreciate, like,honestly, I'm just going to give
you guys your flowers.
You guys are hilarious uh fromthe moment I met you guys, um,
like I just knew, like you guyswere full of greatness and you

(01:16:07):
have proven it over and over andover and I'm just so thankful
for the opportunity to be onhere, showcase myself, um, and
like, this is my first podcastI've ever been on.
This is awesome.
This last year has been amazingand I'm just so glad that you
guys could be a part of it forme, well, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Yeah, just did you help me remember.
I can't remember.
Did you meet us through thepodcast first, or did you see us
where was?

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
it live.
We just kind of our first.
Yeah, we did our.
Uh it was, I remember that show.
I remember that show where we,okay, but it was actually my
first show okay, so it was fromthat that you learned about the
podcast okay, we got talking,and then we also did that other
show at uh welsh's big 10, yepand what's funny is I've done

(01:16:55):
two shows there in two differentrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Really, yeah, the first show I did, they had a
sort of a closet in the in thebasement.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
They do have a basement yeah it's like it's you
go down there and it's almostlike am I supposed to be going
down here?
There's this like employeesonly, or only it just looks like
it should be roped off, orsomething like that.
Yeah they do have a basement.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I have another show there coming up here pretty soon
, so maybe I should check theirbasement out.
See, they're downstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, so yeah, alright.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Well, we appreciate the flowers, At least least I do
.
I don't know about him I, Isaid I do yeah, um, it's really
nice, uh, yeah, uh.
Just just count your blessings,kid, because they, they, they
come to you and then then theygo away.

(01:17:59):
So but just always beappreciative of everyone you get
, because you never know whenthe last one's coming yeah like
this episode.
Yep, like this episode.
Yeah, pretty much the way thedownward trend.
We're circling the drain, baby,we're almost to the bottom of

(01:18:22):
that toilet.
We're getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
I have a feeling this is going to be one of your best
episodes.
Yet we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
You can understand me and, by the way, for the record
, I want to point out to you,john, that the cease and desist
actually made it worse, becauseI think we talked about it more
than if you hadn't told us?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
No, because we never mentioned what it was.
I mean, you could hint at it,but we never mentioned it.
So, that's fine, that's the wayit should be.
Alright well, ghostbusters,alright so.
And Lorraine Warren, bestparent, well, arguably the most

(01:19:01):
popular paranormal investigatorsof all time.
Nesper is still around.
Their museum is still here,thanks to some silly comic who
decided he wanted.
Well, I mean, I don't know, hedoes crowd work, but whatever,
and you know, yeah, yeah, so agood job.
Hopefully it continues on.

(01:19:24):
I wish it, uh, as much successas it it can get, and I feel
it's probably going to, like yousaid, dw.
Um, I feel people that are fansof Matt Reif might turn to it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I'm just saying it might end up being a really good
thing for it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Let's hope and the legacy of Ed and Lorraine.
Well, like I said again, bestparanormal or at least most
popular, most known paranormalinvestigators of all time.
Zach, it was amazing having youon here again.
Uh, you will come, we'll, we'llbring you back on I'll make
sure to uh appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I'll make sure to make plans during.
You know the recording, so thatyou have to come back to fill
in yeah, I'll probably just goin.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It could be a turncoat to somebody else, I
don't know.
Yeah, the St Paul friends, youknow what that means.
Right, it means that it's thistime and it's time to say this
you guys have been amazing, wehave been Scalarius, god bless,

(01:20:45):
and we are out Later.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
See you guys.