November 17, 2025 • 57 mins
Join us for a killer conversation with filmmaker Aaron B. Koontz as we dive into the world of genre cinema. We get into the new movie Shelby Oaks, his series Revival that is streaming now on Peacock, break down the wild ride that is Scare Package 1 & 2, and talk shop about fellow creators like Adam Wingard, Steven Kostanski, and more.
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(00:01):
Aaron, thanks so much for jumping on with me today.
I know we've been trying to get you on here for a little bit.
uh How's everything been going?
Good, good, you know, it's been busy, but great.
Yeah, I'm excited to chat.
uh So um I haven't had a chance to see yet.
And I'll tell you honestly, I don't like very scary movies, which doesn't make much senseconsidering I host a horror movie podcast with some friends here.
(00:27):
But Shelby Oaks looks incredible.
um And I'm also one of those people that if there's a movie I want to watch, I try not towatch trailers either.
So I just kind of I kind of see the name and I'll see a little bit.
I'm like, All right, yeah, I'm going to go see that.
and then I'll just try to avoid it.
I've also been kind of doing the same thing, because I'm going to watch it.
(00:49):
Because honestly, the most I've seen from is in your emails, you have like a little GIF ofa banner playing just something and that's all I've seen and that's all I want to see.
tell us, you know, tell us more about Shelby Oaks.
Yeah, yeah, look, I'm super proud of it.
think that, you know, Chris Duckman, who's a Reddit director, and we've been, we developedthat together years ago and it started as...
(01:14):
Originally, it was like this idea that I had an idea that Chris had and there's thismissing paranormal investigative team that we went to YouTube and we talked with all these
creators and we got like old videos on YouTube about this missing team, even though it'sall fake and pretended like this happened in 2008 and that started to go viral.
(01:36):
It's called the paranormal paranoid.
You can search for it and it was really fun.
It was like our version of like Blair Witch of like trying to still make this feel
real.
And, and then from there, you know, it moves into like a full on movie.
And, you know, we were able to, it was crazy.
We were able to salt a neon and all this stuff.
But um yeah, I mean, it's, definitely dark.
It is, uh you know, we talk about horror with heart as like a theme for for a lot of ourpaper street pictures, my company and what we make.
(02:03):
But, uh you know, Shelby Oaks is nothing doesn't have heart.
It's just a dark heart.
You know, that's that's in there.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's a vast detour from something like scare package then where it's just the mostinsane stuff one after another.
uh like, going back to uh Blair Witch real quick, did you have experiences with BlairWitch when it came out?
(02:32):
Like, you part of the...
Yeah, I mean, I have a tattoo.
can see it right there.
You can see it a little bit right there.
like, through there, but like, I see it.
I see it.
Yeah, have my buddy Adam Wingard made the new Blair Witch, the remake.
And I know Blair Witch fans are upset at that, but I still like that movie.
I still, I'm fine with it.
(02:53):
huge fan of Adam.
Um, and, oh, that's amazing.
Yeah.
his production designer gave me one of the hanging ones from the remake, which I have inmy storage unit.
And then, but no, like, so I grew up in Orlando, so there was, which had ties to Ed andDan, who made the original Blair Witch.
(03:20):
And then where I first interned, coming out of film school, where I was with Adam, myfirst internship was at Universal in Orlando, and that's
Bill Whitaker, who was the Blair Witch attorney was at.
So I got to, I was kind of like there, right?
mean, the movie had already released, but I was there like as you know, money was comingin for the movie and craziness was happening and all this stuff like in early 2000s.
(03:44):
And it was really, really cool.
um You know, just to see what had happened there and be a part of that.
So no, and I remember watching the, the sci-fi channel special on the Blair Witch, youknow, and like that completely was just so cool.
And, and so
We wanted to have an immersive situation, just something where you blur the lines ofwhat's real and what's not, like the Blair Witch did.
(04:08):
And Shelby Oaks very much does that.
mean, if you deep dive into stuff, there's so many things related to that that were a lotof fun to play with.
And I'm making a new movie now that's similar.
I can't say much about it, but we're gonna do the same kind of thing, just go even furtherwith it.
And not necessarily meta, which is what Square Package is, is meta, but like...
(04:29):
blurring the lines of what's real and what isn't.
And the new movie is gonna be, I truly, you won't be able to tell what's real and what'sfake, which is really fun.
I'm a big wrestling fan, so I'm always pulled into things like, this real or not?
What are they trying to do right oh now?
love it.
love hiring wrestlers.
(04:49):
I've hired a few wrestlers now.
um Dustin Rhodes, who was in the Scare Package films, which was great.
And then in Revival, we just hired CM Punk.
He was in a few episodes of Revival.
was the best.
Phil's the best.
Dustin's the best.
So yeah, I want to work with more wrestlers.
They're a blast.
(05:09):
two of revival, I'm glad I don't have my son watching with me though because he's a hugewrestling fan and the one wrestler he hates more than anybody is CM Punk, so he's...
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
I've learned that I realized that like I have friends too who are like Aaron, I love theshow, but like, why did he have to show up?
(05:29):
And I'm like, what are you talking?
And then we have others that are only watching the show because you know, fills in it.
So it's, uh, it's well, but he's the best.
And yeah, the show, um, revival definitely gets more horror as it goes along.
It's much more, I think it's a little more casual tame at the beginning, in my opinion.
Uh, episode six on that is my baby though.
(05:49):
Like that's my favorite thing.
That's my favorite thing I've ever done is episode seven.
And uh so you I saw something you said that it's made to be binged.
Like what exactly you mean by that?
Yes.
It's so it was like very so I'm a very meticulous person.
That's a nice way of saying OCD.
(06:10):
And I went through and I watched all these shows and to understand like if we're making arevival is a murder mystery.
And the concept of revival is it's a murder mystery where the person is now alive to solvetheir own murder because they came back from the dead.
But they're not like a zombie and they're normal.
And so within that, within that murder mystery kind of trope and, you know, the rules ofthat, I watched all the shows to understand, what worked, what didn't and how do you what
(06:38):
keeps you going?
And there was kind of like it's not really a mathematical formula, but there's like a wayto if you're really thinking about how to construct the episodes to like, OK, you want
your scenes to kind of like peak at this point, then you want to have this moment thatpulls you in.
So it's meant to leave like episode by episode is a cliffhanger.
episode is a cliffhanger and it makes you want to watch the next episode and then it'smeant to ask a new question while answering the question like again and again and then
(07:07):
that starts to create this there's there's like literally like chemical reactions that youhave in your brain of like I want the answer to this and what's there and I just did so
much research on how that works and and what was there and I learned that tons of writersrooms and showrunners do the same thing and studios even do it
(07:27):
And I was like, well, how do I do this, but still make it, you know, it's an indie show,truly, truly an indie show.
And, and like, how do we make this our way and still do it with like our vibe and ourtone, but still understand that this can be very rewarding for audiences.
um If you, if you do it this way, cause it's God, you know, to ask somebody to take 10hours of their life to watch something, that's like a huge ask.
(07:48):
And I think it just needs to be rewarding.
So we were, we very specifically and almost mathematically designed it so you can feelsome.
and want to watch the next episode and kind of and binge and then there's never uh as likeReddit would call it like a filler episode like that doesn't exist.
You know, there's no we're very careful about even though I don't think filler episode isreally what they're saying.
(08:13):
I mean, that's a whole other side thing I could get into but uh you know, it was it wasimportant to us to craft this in a manner that is
Okay, I am really excited at these questions, but I'm going to, you know, answer aquestion with a question and in finding ways to kind of like open that mystery box, but
not just leave it open the entire time.
(08:35):
And you're like, what the hell is going on?
You know, at the same time.
Yeah.
there's a lot of shows that try to do that.
like the one, it's an old, I mean, it's like the 90s.
was, remember Alias?
ah Yeah.
a ton of it, but that's J.J.
Abrams, too, I think, isn't it?
(08:56):
Yeah, which makes sense.
show is like the first time I watched it, you know, like I got the bought like the seasonsfrom the video, the video store.
And it was like every episode was like, this is a good episode.
Like the episode was like, this is pretty good.
And then all of a sudden, like the last minute is just like, here's the biggestcliffhanger ever.
So you have to watch the very next episode.
And you're like, my gosh, you're just kind of burning through all these episodes.
(09:18):
And I mean, back then to
You know, wasn't really, binging wasn't a thing really, but you know, they were reallytrying to get people to hook in for next week, but it's kind of the birth of the binge, I
guess.
know, Alias was one of those early shows to start doing it to people.
oh
one of the people that I studied with this was JJ and Damon Lindelof in the way that hecreated Lost.
(09:40):
And Lost does that in a very, very specific way.
There's some seasons where it might meander a little.
um Especially when the writer's strike happened during Lost.
But I thought that show did it very, very well and effectively.
um Just in the, whether you like the way it went or not, I'm a huge Lost fan.
So I love the way it went and I love the ending even.
I have no problem with that.
But I think, again, their construction, they understood that.
(10:04):
So it makes sense that that would happen in Alias as well.
Yeah.
What are some shows that you've, like what are the last ones you've binged?
Like any shows that you're like, I'm just gonna throw this on and check out the firstepisode.
And then eight hours later, you're like, all right, where's the next season at?
Mine right now is dark on Netflix.
which is that's from a few years ago and it was like 20, I don't know, 2018, somethinglike that, 2019, 2020.
(10:30):
They did three seasons.
I, so I was writing a show.
I'm writing a pilot of something right now and it had some similarities to Dark.
So was like, okay, I want to make sure I'm steering in different direction.
Let me see what they did.
And I, and I always want to watch pilots.
I had seen the pilot of Dark before and loved it, but I hadn't really dove that deep intoit.
(10:53):
beyond I think the first couple of episodes.
But I was really into it.
But then when I was writing this, I was like, okay, let me just make sure that I'm nottreading on too familiar of territory.
And then it was like, oh shit, no, I'm totally hooked.
Like the show's fantastic.
And it's so good and it's so twisting.
And it's so interesting because it's a show too that is so complex.
(11:14):
And I like complex shows, like I enjoyed Severance as well, you know, and how complexSeverance is.
ah you know, so things like that, that I think they reward the people who are willing tolean in.
And that's something that in revival too, like hopefully...
It's a show that, you know, it's on sci-fi.
So like I knew what our audience was.
we can't, and again, not that sci-fi audiences are extremely savvy, but there's a, whatsci-fi as a network and what NBC wants is for it to be very palatable.
(11:43):
And so we had to like find ways to, okay, you can watch this while doing the laundry andstill enjoy it, right?
But also you can, but if you want to lean forward and really pay attention, you're gonnabe rewarded for all these details and all these clues.
and things that we've hit in the first episode that are gonna come back in the 10thepisode and all this and they're set up for multiple seasons of this too.
(12:06):
Like there's things set up in season one for future stuff.
So I mean, there's a lot there that's crafted but ah Dark, Dark doesn't even care.
Dark is like, you better be paying attention.
I mean, we have to pause and I'll turn to my girlfriend.
like, wait, wait, wait.
So this is that and that is this and she's like, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's that.
I'm like, no, you're right.
And like we're correcting each other because it's just so.
(12:29):
So complex.
don't want to say convoluted because that's the wrong word because it's intricate in areally, really beautiful way.
So yeah, huge, huge fan of that.
um
You know, and yeah, but I mean, I don't have time to watch a ton of shows right now, whichwhich bugs me.
I would love, there's a few things like, oh my God, I want to see the new like RaySeahorn's show, Vince Gogan's show on Apple.
(12:51):
Dying to see that.
Haven't had a chance to watch those first couple episodes, but I have people texting meabout it because I was such a huge Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fan.
Better Call Saul is actually my favorite of the two, which surprises a few people, but.
Yeah, but yeah, I'm very excited to watch that too.
But I love, you know, From.
I'm into From right now as well, but I'm behind on it.
(13:12):
I think From is great.
Really, really great.
Another Canadian horror show.
of anything.
I have this problem where I'm addicted to the office.
So I'll sit down and I'll bounce from app to app, just kind of looking for what I want towatch.
And then I'm just like, yeah, I'm just going to put on the office.
And then I'm just there for the rest of the night.
(13:35):
But I wanted to ask, kind of from a curiosity standpoint with somebody that has a TV showthat's out there,
You know, it's on sci-fi for people to watch, you know, week to week, but it's also onPeacock.
So somebody can just watch the entire season.
Is that like, which are you preferring?
(13:56):
Like, are you, would you rather people take it week by week on sci-fi?
Are you more excited about being on Peacock so people can like access it and just watchthe whole thing?
more excited about Beyond Peacock just because there's more people there that are watchingit.
It just reaches a wider audience.
ah know, but the old school and like, again, watching Lost.
(14:17):
on a Sunday night coming in or whatever it it Sunday nights I can't remember but likecoming in the next day to work I remember and just having all the dumbest theories about
where I was going to go and I was constantly wrong and I loved that like I just I justreally really enjoyed that I think that's a lot of fun so I do miss that and we were kind
of hoping that would be the case but it's just hard you know I think we really found ourfooting as we got on Peacock ah you know because we would drop weekly on sci-fi and then
(14:44):
one week later that episode would go on to Peacock but then one
once they all dropped in, like a ton of people, you know, binged it and went through thewhole thing.
And like I said, it was designed so that that could be an option and people then did seemto dig it.
I mean, personally, I'm just down for whatever gets the most people to watch the show.
Like, I just want to get it in front of enough people.
(15:07):
I'm so proud of this show and I just, I want people to watch it.
You know, I think it's...
I really think it's good um and I'm proud of it.
So that's it.
uh It's just however they want to watch it.
You can rent them on iTunes.
You can do all this other stuff too, like on Apple, or sorry, excuse me, on Prime.
(15:28):
But yeah, that's, whatever gets people watching it.
I'm happy.
it's definitely, you know, it's still like kind of a big deal when you have a show on TV.
But, you know, whenever you're trying to tell people about it, it's like, yeah, go toPeacock.
It's like, yeah, it goes on sci fi.
Oh, can I watch it?
Go on Peacock and watch it.
(15:48):
Because, you know, that's you're right.
You know, like a lot of people, they don't even have sci fi anymore.
They just have, you know, apps.
You know, I'm one of them.
don't I don't really have, you know, cable or anything.
I just have all the apps and it's I might as well just have cable because everything costsso much right now.
Yeah, I had to get cable to watch my show.
So, you know, like that was what happened.
Like I got sling, you know, but it was fun.
(16:10):
Like I was, I had a family member that was in hospital, unfortunately, but we spent a lotof time there.
And I remember going into the waiting area and then the show was on randomly.
yeah.
I was like, oh my God, like this is crazy because they had they had sci-fi was USA Networkis on the air is on there too sometimes.
And it was on the USA Network and it was on.
was like, oh my God, you know, this is crazy.
(16:31):
And so stuff like that.
That's that's cool.
And how, you know, just the eventized TV of it all, I think is really fun.
I wish that could be a thing, but because not enough people watch it, it's hard.
But we, you know, we had fun.
I mean, there was a really good group of people who became kind of hardcore fans.
Some of the one of the fans came over for the
and um
(16:52):
there were big fans of Melanie Scrifano, our lead, who's just magic.
She's pure magic.
And we uh would do these things where we'd get on Twitter or Blue Sky or whatever andtweet, like live tweet the episodes.
And that was a lot of fun.
So we did that week to week, which was really, really cool.
And it was trending a couple of times, which was really, really fun.
But other than that, you know, just whatever, whatever gets people watching it, you know.
(17:15):
But it's cool.
It's still cool.
Like, it's crazy to think that I made a season, a full, and finished it.
I still don't even know how I did that of TV, so pretty crazy.
Right.
So like in scare package, I got a lot of questions about scare package.
ah It's it's definitely one of those movies that's right up my kind of alley.
(17:40):
um I'm usually, you know, the sillier and crazier movie can get, you know, the better.
And I always appreciate whenever, you know, filmmakers who are making something like that,like if you're, know, though a lot of them won't go all the way on some things.
And
It's a package.
goes all the way multiple times.
But you know, the one thing I like the most about it was the video store because myparents owned a video store when I was a kid.
(18:06):
And so like I kind of grew up in a video store and that's kind of like where my taste inhorror began because you know, when you're kidding a video store, the horror sections, the
cool section, cause you know, the box art is much different than the box art.
The rest of the store.
so like, what are some, like, what kind of got you
into horror in the early days, like what, you know, got you going?
(18:29):
Yeah, yeah, well, very similar, actually.
I mean, we didn't own a video store, but one of my first jobs was working at a videostore.
So that's what I did.
I had my own shelf.
It's the whole thing.
uh You know, we...
was it like a chain?
Ah, those are the best.
Florida.
Yeah, a little, I think it was a village video or something.
(18:51):
I can't remember what it was called, but yeah, I have my own shelf and the whole thing.
And I would always try to, I was always evangelizing horror.
And I think of the scare package movies as that for me too.
It's my way of saying, someone says, I don't like horror films.
And I'm like, well, but like maybe you do, you know?
And here's why.
And here's the things that, you know, cause like I think Jurassic Park and Jaws and theseare
(19:13):
horror films, they're monster movies, you know, and what's there.
And I think we just have to kind of reframe the way we think of a horror film and thatthey can be fun.
They don't have to just be, I mean, look, Shelby Oaks is very scary and dark and dreary ina good way, in a great movie.
But um scare package is the opposite of that.
It's just meant to have fun and throw blood around and go absurd with it and what's there.
(19:37):
And I think that that really, you know, when you take those training wheels off, it justkind of gives you this interesting
But yeah, when I working at the video store was just that's my favorite jobs ever.
Like that in a coffee shop, like my two favorite jobs I've ever had.
Well, I guess now making movies is probably my favorite.
But as a kid, you know, those are the things and growing up.
um But I grew up in a strong Christian home where I wasn't allowed to watch anything likerated R or horror.
(20:04):
So I had to sneak around.
And my grandmother, I'm dating myself here, but my grandmother would get HBO for free,like the channel would come through on her TV and nobody knew why.
And I would take VHS tapes when I was, you know, eight years old.
10 years old and bring them in to my grandma's house and then record overnight on the SLPmode.
(20:24):
So it would get you like six hours and then and then I would come back and swap the tapesout and then whatever was on those tapes I would watch and I mean in a couple of times it
like would start in the middle of a movie or an end in middle of me.
I didn't know what they were and and it was crazy.
I mean I so so much stuff that was a big
just eye-opening experience for me of just like what a movie could be like, know, gettingto see that stuff that I wasn't supposed to, which was a lot of fun.
(20:51):
I mean, I remember going to see Howard the Duck as a kid at the drive-in with my family.
And I would sit up at the top of the moon roof of our car.
But behind us was playing, I can't remember which Nightmare on Elm Street it was, wasplaying a Nightmare on Elm Street movie.
And I loved Howard the Duck, but I had already seen it.
And I...
talk my parents into letting me go to the drive-in again to see it.
(21:13):
And I would turn around behind me and watch the Neymar and Elvish movie, even though I hadno audio, but I still was like captivated, you know, by it.
So all that like really hooked me.
And, you know, it just became, became that forbidden fruit, if you will, as a kid, whereyou're like, you know, don't touch the hot stove and you're clearly going to touch the hot
stove.
So it's like, don't watch horror films.
(21:33):
I'm like, that's all I wanted to do.
And of course now I make, that's all I do is make horror stuff.
So it's very much state of my DNA.
day.
But yeah, and then I just I became obsessed with it.
And Sean Talley is one of my oldest and best friends who actually still works with me atPaper Street.
He runs our podcast and was a co-producer on on Shelby Oaks and other movies as well.
(21:56):
And Sean, he would constantly record movies off HBO instead of Max or whatever and sendthem to me or he would, you know, buy the VHS or whatever would be.
And then, you know, I would borrow them from
him.
So there was a ton of stuff that I got from him too.
And yeah, mean, it's that's that stayed stayed today, you know, like I still ah I do havea bunch of tapes in a storage unit.
(22:22):
Yeah, I got a ton of stuff.
I have a massive DVD collection now, oh as well.
That's in a storage unit.
um And yeah, actually, I always try to release
We have like scared package released on VHS.
We did a VHS version of that.
The first and the second one, which was really cool.
And had like a double disc thing for that at one point.
(22:43):
And then...
um
Revealer did a VHS.
I Old Man did a VHS.
We did a few, but that was always fun.
I love doing those every time we can.
But yeah, no horrors in my DNA.
I'm always gonna make it.
It's always gonna be what I wanna go watch first and foremost, you know?
And yeah, just massive, massive fan.
(23:03):
I'm a cinephile.
of your favorites?
Like what's your favorite genre of horror too?
Uh, mean all the truly, truly there is not a sub genre of horror that I love more.
Back in the day, I would have said slasher, but I think that's evolved.
And even what a slasher is, is evolved.
Um, you know, like right now, uh, I just finished writing a body horror thing, Cronenbergask kind of, kind of vibe.
(23:26):
That's a little sci-fi horror body horror.
And so that, you know, is very much at the forefront for me right now, you know, causethinking about movies like that.
And, um, but, I mean,
Like, mean Jaws is my all time favorite movie.
always will be, you know, and then my favorite, like pure horror movie is The Thing.
(23:47):
I think The Thing is a literal perfect movie in every way.
You know, it's one of those movies where like as a kid, you're just like, oh shit, this iscool.
Look at this dog turned into like a creature and it's scary and whatever and gross.
But then now you're like watching Kurt Russell and Keith David sitting there and it's ablack man and a white man and they're talking about identity and what does this mean?
(24:10):
I'm like, my God, this is so poignant.
there's so much that's being said right now about this and how beautiful this movie is.
And so, you know, once you get to unpack it to that level and like...
people act like horror movies aren't supposed to be political.
Like Jesus Christ, like watch 70s and 80s horror movies.
they're all unbelievably political, you know, and so was that movie, you know, so likeNine of the Living Dead.
(24:36):
You know what I mean?
Like, like, look at the ending of Nine of the Living Dead.
It's, essentially Get Out, the ending of Get Out, the original ending Get Out is kind ofthe ending of Nine of the Living Dead.
Like it's, you know, so I, yeah, yeah, I lost my train of thought, but oh, favoritemovies.
Yes, sorry.
The Thing is a very, very influential film.
for me, John Carpenter is my goat.
um And yeah, but I mean, like truly, I've seen it all.
(25:04):
I that's you know on a podcast is probably tough thing to say but I mean I really havelike there's very few You know even like the mainstream horror films that are coming out
now like I go out on my way to make sure I'm seeing them I'm at festivals all the time.
I'm watching early cuts.
um I have a lot of friends who make movies I have a lot of friends a lot of distributorswho distribute movies, so I see really cuts um it's just uh Yeah, I I love I Watch them
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all I watch them all
your appreciation level for all the Jaws movies.
I have to ask because I like to me too Jaws is the greatest movie of all time um but Ireally love Jaws the Revenge like uh
this time it's personal, right?
The subtitle, which is ridiculous.
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I love Michael Caine's story about, he's like, I bought a house for my mom because of thatmovie, like whatever.
mean, look, Jaws 4, because of my age, it was very influential to me because of just thetime period of like, it's a new Jaws movie and I think I was able to see it or sneak and
see it in theaters, I think.
ah I can't.
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can't fully recall.
But the opening of that where the son, Brody, the Brody kid, if I'm remembering correctly,he's on the little boat and he's wearing that yellow slicker and he gets his arm ripped
off and it's so bloody and so violent.
it's pretty gnarly.
It's pretty gnarly.
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I did watch Jaws 3 again in 3D at the Alamo Draft House in Austin a few years back.
uh That did not hold up well, I gotta say.
uh Even the 3D moment when the shark finally comes through, it's somehow morphed to belike five times the size now, and I don't know why, but it's just like, okay, this is
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unbelievably cheesy.
uh Lou Gossett Jr.
is doing his best, the best work there, but I still like them, I appreciate them.
Jaws 2, I think, is still very solid.
um And three, three's not the best.
Four, I need to rewatch.
I can't say that I'm sure it's not a good movie, but, uh but it's, I probably would reallyenjoy rewatching it, you know?
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and I think it also it's too it's one of those because like I'm you know when I was a kidthat was the first of the Jaws movies I saw.
So I'm just it's just kind of like in my DNA you know whenever you see those early horrormovies when you're a kid you know when you grow up as part of you.
uh Yeah, so like I remember.
like, oh, sorry, go ahead.
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Oh, is it like in the Bahamas?
And it like, I'm just remembering now, sorry.
It like tracks them from up in, you know, Martha's Vineyard all the way down to theBahamas.
Like somehow, which makes it, it's like the baby of the, oh my God.
Yeah, that's so crazy.
really I'm on the like I know I can just order from eBay, but it's not as fun.
But I'm on the hunt to find the novelization of Jaws of Revenge.
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Because the novelization there's an entire subplot about why this shark is going to theBahamas and everything.
And it's because I think it's because something like Chief Brody arrested somebody onetime and they were part of some voodoo family.
So they put a voodoo curse on the Brody's and that's why the shark is going after them.
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Yeah, it's
basically the plot of Weekend of Birdies 2.
like, you know, like with a shark.
mean, that's pretty.
Look, well, first off, the fact that it hasn't been used like Voodoo.
I'm sure Voodoo Shark has been done.
I mean, it has to be a Voodoo Shark movie.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody's done.
Yeah, yeah, probably.
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Probably.
If not, I might produce it.
It's funny, was earlier this year, we went to Midsummer, Midsummer Scream.
And anytime I go places, I'm always on the lookout for like Jaws the Revenge merch,because there just is not like
Even people make handmade, a lot of these horror conventions is vendors who create things.
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nobody even makes straws or avenged things, which is fine, I understand.
But we went to the Mystic Museum and they have changeable exhibits that walk through.
right now, whenever we were there, there was a 90s era walkthrough where they did a TotalRequest Live thing, but it was called Total Grotesque Live.
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Cool.
I was talking to him and I was like, yeah, you guys should do like an exhibit about justreally bad horror movies.
Mainly just because I want to see Jaws of Revenge get some kind of love.
we walked out of the Mystic Museum and we were literally walking to the car to turn todrive back to where we live, which is in Phoenix.
And this is in Burbank.
So we were leaving and
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we're walking down the street and just like out of the corner of my eye, I saw the sharkfrom Jaws for like, you know, when it's popping out of the water on the poster and stuff,
like on the video game cover and everything.
It's like the main, you know, like that's the jobs.
if you know, jobs for you.
And I cut out of the corner of my I'm like, no way.
And like, I just my friend lost me.
He's like, where the hell did you go?
I went right into the store.
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And it's like a six foot long, French original poster for Jaws for
that selling and they just had it like hanging up on this wall.
And I'm like, is this for sale?
And they're like, yeah, like 40 bucks.
Like, because they're like, it used to be more but nobody wants it.
So yeah, it's just 40.
I'm like, I want it like, and man, I was so like, that was the happiest thing that'shappened to in a very long time.
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Like I was just
god, that's great.
Because yeah, I'm picturing, isn't the, it's like the buoy, it's like the shark, it's likethe boat's broken, the shark's really high, very vertical.
And then there's like a stick, there's like someone with like a stick and a buoy.
Is that, is that what I'm picturing?
uh
Name Lorraine Brody.
This is Brody.
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Yeah, she's like on the boat kind of like steering it and the boats like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, there were two endings to it, too, right?
were two.
There was there was like another ending because there's the one where it like jumps up andgets impaled.
Right.
And then isn't there another version of that?
And there's two ending because there's one where what's his name doesn't does die ordoesn't die.
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I can't remember.
Mario Van Peebles or whatever doesn't die.
I can't remember.
in the normal ending, the shark gets speared by the boat and then explodes and Mario VanPeebles lives.
He's alive still.
Yeah.
And then I think in the other ending, think it I think it just doesn't explode.
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Like I think it just gets impaled and then it dies.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, right.
I mean.
It's.
4.
That's where I'm sticking my plant.
Jaws 4, studio was right.
Like, we can make it explode.
We can make it do whatever.
It's really funny now, because if you, you know, if you watch on a VHS tape, it'sdifferent.
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But now when you watch it on like Blu-ray or on a streaming service, you can very clearlytell that that big finale scene is shot at Universal Studios where that big sky wall is,
you know, when you take the tram to go around.
Because you can see like the seams in the sky, like behind the boat and stuff.
like, it's just like.
Yeah, somehow it just makes it better.
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it just like this just adds more to jaws the revenge for me.
Yeah, I have a, um, from the original ride, the LA ride.
when they dismantled the shark, because I think that shark now is in Japan.
That's the only place where you can actually still do the Jaws ride is in Japan.
But they had the teeth.
When they took apart that shark, they had the teeth of that shark because it gotdismantled.
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And at an auction, I bought one of the teeth.
So I have one of the big center, know, great white teeth from that ride.
And yeah, then I went to L.A.
for the new Jaws exhibit that's at the Academy Museum.
And that was magical.
Yeah, it was magical.
to that.
I know it's going to like next summer, so I'm to make it out there before it ends.
got a good, yeah, we were out there, actually we were there for the Shelby Oaks premiere,and then I stayed that week and we made sure that we planned my week around, making sure
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we could go to that, so yeah.
Yeah.
What other stuff do you collect?
You have any other props?
yeah, I mean, I collect, well, I also like I watches, glasses and like.
you know, shoes, but that's a separate weird thing.
uh I'm in, you because I'm so transient and it's hard, like there's a lot of things I wantto get, but then I can't put them anywhere.
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I don't have a, like I'm in this room right now with like a flower background.
That's not because I have, this is the random Airbnb I'm staying right now, you know?
uh like, so I don't have like a base office or even a base home at this point.
Like I'm very, I'm just completely nomadic because there's this, uh
project to project that you're always moving around for.
So that has limited my ability to purchase some of the things I want.
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But I mean, I'm registered with Prop Store and I'm on a few text threads and a fewFacebook groups for screen use props.
So, and I have a pretty hefty collection of props.
I got a good amount of stuff.
Like I've got a piece of soap from Fight Club, when he was on the plane that's in there.
um
I've got, you know, one of the critter balls from Critter 2.
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I've got a piece of the blob from the 1984, blob, that year blob.
I have just a bunch of stuff.
I have one of the frogs from Magnolia that fell.
I have a bunch of little things and I've got a couple larger things.
And yeah, but I love screen use props.
Like I want more.
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Like when I was at the Jaws exhibit, I was like, oh my God.
every penny I own to have these things if I could.
anything.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
go scoop up the sand from the beach and put it in a jar, you know?
every Jaws thing is so expensive now.
It is just, it is so hard.
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Like I know uh Mike Flanagan has one of the boobies, one of the yellow boobies.
um
on him at the end or?
Yeah, yeah.
So like he's got one of those and you know, like that's my like, you know, hopefully oneday I could talk him into selling it to me.
Like I think that's my hope.
But beyond that, I don't know what else I'll even get because it's just way and even the50th anniversary, it's got even more collectible.
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So yeah, it's hard.
I have a ton of Jaws art, but I that's the thing.
I collect tons of art.
So I have living in Austin for a while.
I really got into the mono art.
So I have tons of Mondo pieces and I've got a couple in my, but it's in my storage unit,that's what sucks.
know, like I don't get to have it up and have it with me, but I have a flat files filledwith a lot of movie and TV art in particular, but then also, you know, some, there's a few
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like abstract artists that I really like.
And in a couple, I just hired one that I love.
He was David Seidman.
ah And he just did art for us on revival.
That's going to eventually become our album art, because we're to release the album fromthe first season of music.
And so we're using that for the album art.
But I commissioned that with him.
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So ah it looks so good.
It's on my Instagram or David's Instagram.
People want to look at it, but it's so rad.
But yeah, like I love, you know, Matt Ryan Tobin, another artist I just love, love, loveso much.
bunch of Mondo stuff and everything as well.
There's this guy named Alex Ekman Lawn who does this like really dark.
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uh
It's not tied to any IP, so it's not like film or anything.
Sometimes people will hire him to do art for a film, but for the most part, he just doeshis own original, just really dark, disturbing art.
But it's like layers, and you have to look at it from an angle, and it's got like fivelayers of art, so it's literally multiple inches thick.
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you know, and it's just like you can you can turn it and see different things.
And it's like inside a head and it's Alex.
I've been lying like that, dude.
I own three originals of his because they're not prints, you know, like he makes one sellsit.
That's it.
um So I got to get a place just so can put up my heart, you know, like that's reallythat's really what I'm most excited about um when I finally get to settle down somewhere.
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But yeah, I know.
So it's all kinds of stuff like that.
Yeah.
like those art pieces whenever like I've seen a museum sometimes you walk in there likethey have it hanging from the ceiling.
And it looks like you know, an animal or something from this side.
But if you like walk around to the side of it, it like changes and looks it's like a faceor something you know,
Yeah, there's a couple really popular names.
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There's a couple of their European artists that do that.
They actually make those and they do really, really cool, disturbing stuff.
And this guy doesn't do it's not exactly that like you can actually see what the image is,but it looks like a flat image.
when you're looking at it straight on.
But then when you come to the side and you look at it and you like if you move at anangle, you see that there's like five layers and there's another piece, another piece and
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different textured stuff underneath.
And so it's like it'll be like a woman's face in a profile.
And then it's like then it goes one layer and it's like ripped skin and another layer.
It's like ripped in the jaw.
Then you're seeing the tooth and then like it's into her mouth and like, like it's reallygnarly and disturbing stuff.
I mean, it's like horror adjacent for sure.
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Alex's work is, but he's, I think he's from Belgium or something, I don't know.
just really cool shit.
But yeah, there's a number of artists like that that I follow.
Jeremy Getty's in Australia.
I buy one Getty's a year.
He's amazing.
So yeah, I really got into art collecting.
But again, I've had to taper that down a little because I'm off and making these things,which is amazing.
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But I have to live in Canada or I live in Chicago or I'm in New York or Louisiana,wherever I'm making the next thing.
So I have no house at the moment because of it.
traveling creator right now.
Yeah, completely.
I mean, truly, I have multiple storage units and I have no home.
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You know, my girlfriend has a condo, you know, but that's it.
I mean, you know, so yeah.
I mean that's got to be just like you know you're living the dream kind of you know it'sYou know be able to walk into a room like you said earlier and see your show playing And
like a waiting room or something that's got to be just like an incredible feeling
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It's silly, it's silly.
I don't know how I lucked out to make this happen.
is, but yeah, it's a very, you know, it's a humbling thing too.
Like you just kind of, just to take a moment, like I've gone back to my school a few timesto speak to students and stuff and kind of helps me like just really remember how hard it
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was and the journey and.
you know, and how grateful you are to get to make anything.
Like this just started with me, like, okay, I want to make one movie.
Like, you know, I had turned, I was about to turn 30 and I was like, want to make a movie.
you know, and I did, I I made Kimura Obscura and, but it wasn't good.
And my cut never got released.
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And I was so frustrated and all this stuff that I was like, well, I gotta do it again.
Cause I know I can do better, you know?
And then that's what I made scare package.
And then that kind of like truly scare package really launched a lot for me and my careerbecause not just that, that movie blew up so much.
wasn't like that.
I mean, the movie did well, but it was the fact that
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It was just very validating for me.
was like, oh, this is what this was just in my head as a super silly thing.
And it's what I would want to see.
And then other people wanted to see it.
And we were able to make it very inexpensively and put the dollars on the screen and allthis.
And when people realized like what we made it for and all this, it became.
just became something for us to shoot for and you know then started producing and all thisstuff from there and now I you know I don't ever want to stop um making stuff so yeah to
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go from that um you know like just make one thing and see if I can find a way and now youknow I just run another pilot I'm in a feature I'm directing like I have you know all
these things and
It's just, it's very, very exciting.
I Humbling is not a way of putting it because it's, you know, I'm so grateful, um youknow, and I feel so honored, but it's, but it's just like, I don't know, it just gives you
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this like weird perspective uh on, on, you know, goals and not giving up and shooting forsomething.
I don't know.
I'm not articulating it well, but, it is, it's just been a very important journey.
um And yeah, I, I still.
get completely tickled like when somebody random is like, like I was at in Toronto and
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So I didn't know and they were, I was just saying I had a show and they weren't someoneelse introduced me as someone who had made a show and they had watched my show.
They had watched it and seen episodes and knew about it.
And I'm like, oh my God, like, and I knew they did because they had, they knew specificthings about it.
Like they weren't just lying to me, which is what I always think.
I think someone's just lying to me, you know, like, you haven't actually watched it.
You know, you're just pretending cause I'm here in front of you, you know, and they reallyhad, and they really meant something to them.
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And, know, we went to a Cineo Comic Con for the show and we had a line of like, you know,200 people for all
autographs for hours, you know, coming through and, and, know, people were emotional andcrying because the show meant something to them and they have tattoos and they're dressed
up as characters.
And I'm just like, what is happening?
You know, it's a pretty very, very surreal and just unbelievably grateful position for meto be in for sure.
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Yeah.
I'm gonna hit you with one last question before we wrap things up.
It's gonna be a big one, so you're gonna have to think about it.
If you could get your hands on any franchise to do what you wanted with, which one wouldyou go for?
I mean, look, so the old answer for this for the longest time was Friday the 13th becauseI wanted to do something with Jason's dad.
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That was my whole thing.
I wanted to do it in the snow and with Jason's dad.
That's what I thought would be cool.
ah You know,
everything I there's a lot of there's a lot of themes that I have with you know father Ihave dad issues and stuff and whatever and it permeates a lot of my work so I just thought
there's a really cool angle here we don't know much about this so I wanted to do that butI believe the new Crystal Lake Memories or Crystal Lake Show that A24 is doing is going to
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go into some of that I think so we'll see um so that's no longer on there the another onethat well there's two so I'll give you two other answers
One really fun thing that I would love to do is in the vein of scare package is I wouldlove to make not a screen movie.
I want to make the stab movie that's in the screen movies.
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Yeah.
I want to be able to, but I want to wait until all the screen movies are kind of like runtheir course in which might be soon, I don't know.
um And see, yeah, whatever's going on after Landon left and I don't know.
mean, Kevin Williamson's in, so I guess there's something cool there.
But I don't know, it's all weird.
And I don't like the way they handled the Melissa Brer stuff.
And so anyway, that's another side thing.
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it would be nice to see what is there and then make.
the stab version of that that exists in the universe.
I just think it would be so fun and to really, really go like wild with it.
Because I mean, at one point they they show it up like moments of like I think it's inScream 5 or Scream 6 where there's like stab 4 and they've got blow torches and stuff or
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whatever.
And I'm like, this is my God.
And I want to take what they've what they've like laid out and make our own movie out ofit, which I think would be really, really fun.
you try to still cast the same cast that they had and like the little clips from stab likeI think what is it like isn't like Luke Wilson is Billy Loomis and staff.
It was Tori spelling.
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Yeah.
m
Tori was almost in Scare Package 2.
It was almost yeah, yeah, yeah.
We couldn't work out the timing.
She's a sweetheart.
um But yeah, no, I would play with it.
You know, I would definitely play with it.
um But that's that's harder, you know, to see like what who would want to do that.
But I'm.
uh
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The thing I'd really like to do, and I've talked about a few times, and I actually pitchedon it at once, but then the IP kind of reverted and there's a whole thing, is I want to
make a modern critters movie.
But like full bore, you know, I have things I want to do with the critters that go alittle further.
I love the fact that it's these aliens that are coming down, they're shape shifting, youknow, and what's going on.
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Like I want to play with that.
But I have a story of this.
I have a whole pitch around it that I would love to try to do.
oh I just think, I think, I always call them like the punk rock gremlins.
Like it's just a very, you know, there's like, there's an adjacent, but I want to go fullhorror with it.
You know, like I want it to be scary.
And so, you know, and by the way, when Leonardo DiCaprio says that he does not do sequels,someone needs to remind him that he was in a critter sequel.
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So he's lying.
He's lying.
He does sequels.
So yeah, just FYI, Leo.
So.
maybe we can get them back for the next critters.
yeah, you know what?
I'll do it.
I'll reboot Critters with Leo 100%.
100%.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
feel like all those like monster kid movies from the 80s, you know, like I used to kind ofbe against remakes, but now I'm like, whatever, like, just give me more stuff of the
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things I love, you know, I'd like to see.
yeah, I'm not against remakes as long as you're understanding, like it shouldn't just besome cash grab of here's a nostalgia thing that we're just gonna piggyback on because it
has IP and it's worth it.
There's things, there's limitations during that time of what they could have done.
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There's also like an inherent cheesiness to some of it that I think could be modernized ina really fun way.
Like, and I think you could do good stuff with that, you know, but also like my idea forcritters is it's actually well, it's like it feels like a remake, but it's actually a
sequel.
You know, it's one of the twists at the end, but.
we're getting a new Gremlins, so maybe a little spark from 80s monsters.
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Start coming back a little bit more.
What else was there?
Chris Columbus is doing the new one.
Yeah.
Well then, all right.
Well, that's cool.
I mean, you know, he's part of the OG team, so.
You know, there was that, was...
Ghoulies, that's the other one I was thinking of.
There was ghoulies.
I remember munchies.
Do you remember munchies?
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Yeah, yeah.
there all these derivative versions.
Gullies though, and like was it like Gullies 2 goes to college or 3 goes to college, oneit was?
That's great.
Like that's really, really fun.
I had the poster of Gullies in our guest bathroom above the toilet because it's the Gullycoming out of the toilet right above the toilet.
I had that for the longest time like in college and in my early 20s.
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Yeah, no.
And I actually reached out to Charles Band.
about the re about, you know, the rights to ghoulies because critters was so tough at thetime.
And I was like, well, maybe I could do ghoulies, ah you know.
So and my buddy Steve Kostansky, who just made Frankie Freaco, which is very much in theghoulies world, you know, I know he would love to get.
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it made me think of it wasn't it's like there was full moon but then they had moonbeamlike their separate company that made like those kids movies.
It gave me like it gave me some serious moonbeam vibes and I was like, yeah.
of moonbeam in a really long time, but I do recall that.
Yeah, that's wild.
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Yeah, that's wild.
is called Remote and it was like one of those movies that like after Home Alone came out,everybody just started making like kid versus burglar movies.
And it was just is this Moonbeam movie where this he's like this kid's trapped in an atticand like all the burglars are downstairs and he's sitting all these remote controlled cars
and things down there to mess with them.
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And it's a very bad movie.
But, know, when you're
there's a couple good like...
kid, you're just gonna watch it no matter what anyways over and over again.
This guy, Chris Peckover, made uh a Home Alone adjacent movie.
god, what is it called?
It was a Christmas, it's a home invasion thing with a twist.
uh my god, it's Chris Peckover directed it, Rodan directed it.
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It's really, really good.
uh Because they changed the name.
They changed the name of it.
But it's definitely worth checking out.
uh
Ah, damn it.
I can't remember the name of it right now.
But anyway, if you look up Chris Peck over what he made, you'll see there's this movie andit's a very Home Alone-esque kind of thing.
There's even a joke, a Home Alone joke in it with like a paint can thing that better watchout.
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That's the new title.
It was originally called something else back in the day, but better watch out.
That's what it's called.
It's really good.
Yeah, very, very Home Alone-esque.
Yeah.
Man, I gotta say like you and your your group of friends here you guys are like the topdogs, at least for me like, like steepest like psycho Gorman's.
Incredible like that's it's, it's holds up so well to like because I just showed like,like me and my oldest kid watching when it first came out, we loved it.
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And then like when my youngest kid, he got a little bit older, I showed it to him and
was like, this still holds up.
This is an incredible movie.
Yeah.
It's so good.
In fact, I was just talking about it because I saw Predator Badlands over the weekend andI was like this.
ah OK,
Yeah.
I, the first 20 minutes, I was going be very, very honest.
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The first 20 minutes, I was annoyed.
I was like, what has happened?
This is like a Disneyification of Predator.
I don't need to see Predators talk.
I don't need this comedic relief.
Like this feels like an Ewok character being brought in or something like this.
This feels very odd.
And then I had to get over that bias of like what I thought Predator was.
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because and also it was PG-13 that kind of bugged me and I was like, it needs to be moreviolent and you see more skulls, more blood, you know, all this.
But then by the time, then as it kind of moved through and I was like, okay, I'm enjoyingthis.
This is actually really fun.
This is really fun.
Then it gets to the end without giving it away when like dude shows up.
with the amalgamation of everything that's on the planet.
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And I'm like, okay, this is brilliant and wonderful.
And I love it.
And I absolutely love the movie, but it took me, I just had to be prepared.
Cause I just thought I'm like, oh, they're making a PG-13 version of Predator right now.
It's very tame.
It's very Disney.
And that was annoying me.
But once I got past that, it became brilliant.
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And it's one of my favorite movies of the year even, but took me, took me a minute.
And I mean, even with the BMPG 13, it's still very violent.
It's just like the main thing is like, there's no humans.
So there's no blood.
It's all Yeah.
that's awesome to get away with it, which is honestly, I mean, what freaked me out withthem and I my God, like the power loader moment.
I'm just like, okay, you guys are just nostalgia.
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I get it.
It's working.
Congratulations.
This is everything to me right now.
You're just taking these, these brilliant movies and bring them together in such a perfectway.
And I knew it because they kept saying the name of the company again and again and againthroughout Predator Badlands.
And I'm like, okay, something's going to come around here.
You know, what's there like I knew it, but I
still didn't see the power loader moment kind of coming, which was really, really rad.
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uh But when I was walking home and I was talking with my girlfriend Katie about it, whojust loved it, she was obsessed with it.
And I was like, it kind of reminded me of Psycho Gorman of like, in this like person wholike has the power with this predator that's gonna like, you know what I mean?
Like, like the way that she becomes paired with him with PG.
um
And I was just talking about it in a weird way, you know, but I dug the movie and yeah,Steve, Steve Kostanski actually did our effects on revival.
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So he worked on the show.
Yeah, I built our alien type figure.
It's not an alien spoilers, but our we call a passenger.
It's an alien looking figure that's in the show and it's a full puppet and everything.
But Steve's just one of the best humans, makes amazing movies.
see Deathstalker when it comes out.
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Yeah, I love the old one.
And when I saw Pat and Oswalt involved in this too, was like, that's perfect.
It's so good.
so rad.
It's so fun.
What they pulled off for that budget is complete magic.
But that's what Steve does.
He's one of the best at it.
Yeah.
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Aaron, dude, thank you so much for hanging out and chatting.
What do we need to be keeping an eye out for?
What do we need to be doing to help support you and everything you're doing?
Yeah, look, mean Shelby Oaks is still in a few select theaters um and then it's gonna becoming to premium on demand very soon, uh you know, within the next few weeks.
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uh Everybody will see announcements for that.
So please check it out, please rent it.
um That would go a long way.
And then Revival is still on Peacock.
Would love people, we're trying to get a season two.
right now.
So people still watching that is very helpful.
um You know what's there.
And then we have a little movie called Bloodshine that's going to be coming out next yearthat Emily Bennett and Justin Brooks made very, very small, full core, pretty disturbing,
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kind of sexy in a weird way um movie that's coming out.
I thought Justin and Emily really killed it.
ah And yeah, I a couple other things remote that Steve Danganaro who made Final Fantasy 3Dwere doing his follow up film.
Those are
very very tiny films you know that we're still just trying to support you know otherfilmmakers trying to get stuff off the ground ah and then yeah and then I'm I've got a I
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can't say I got a couple things up my sleeve that are very exciting and you know buthopefully it's those are derailed for season two of revival that's what I would love to
see going so
Yeah.
And where can everybody follow you and find out everything to keep up?
Yeah, I mean, I'm on, I am still on X.
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I got back on because of Revival and I've kind of stayed on.
That's there, it's kind of a cesspool, but I am there.
But I'm on Instagram, it's where I'm most active, is Instagram.
Yeah, it's just Aaron B.
Coons, easy to find.
Yeah.
you so much again, man.
ah We will definitely be helping spread the word, and hopefully we'll get a season tworevival.
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Yeah, thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
Yeah.
Aaron, thanks so much for jumping on with me today.
I know we've been trying to get you on here for a little bit.
uh How's everything been going?
Good, good, you know, it's been busy, but great.
Yeah, I'm excited to chat.
uh So um I haven't had a chance to see yet.
And I'll tell you honestly, I don't like very scary movies, which doesn't make much senseconsidering I host a horror movie podcast with some friends here.
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But Shelby Oaks looks incredible.
um And I'm also one of those people that if there's a movie I want to watch, I try not towatch trailers either.
So I just kind of I kind of see the name and I'll see a little bit.
I'm like, All right, yeah, I'm going to go see that.
and then I'll just try to avoid it.
I've also been kind of doing the same thing, because I'm going to watch it.
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Because honestly, the most I've seen from is in your emails, you have like a little GIF ofa banner playing just something and that's all I've seen and that's all I want to see.
tell us, you know, tell us more about Shelby Oaks.
Yeah, yeah, look, I'm super proud of it.
think that, you know, Chris Duckman, who's a Reddit director, and we've been, we developedthat together years ago and it started as...
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Originally, it was like this idea that I had an idea that Chris had and there's thismissing paranormal investigative team that we went to YouTube and we talked with all these
creators and we got like old videos on YouTube about this missing team, even though it'sall fake and pretended like this happened in 2008 and that started to go viral.
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It's called the paranormal paranoid.
You can search for it and it was really fun.
It was like our version of like Blair Witch of like trying to still make this feel
real.
And, and then from there, you know, it moves into like a full on movie.
And, you know, we were able to, it was crazy.
We were able to salt a neon and all this stuff.
But um yeah, I mean, it's, definitely dark.
It is, uh you know, we talk about horror with heart as like a theme for for a lot of ourpaper street pictures, my company and what we make.
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But, uh you know, Shelby Oaks is nothing doesn't have heart.
It's just a dark heart.
You know, that's that's in there.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's a vast detour from something like scare package then where it's just the mostinsane stuff one after another.
uh like, going back to uh Blair Witch real quick, did you have experiences with BlairWitch when it came out?
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Like, you part of the...
Yeah, I mean, I have a tattoo.
can see it right there.
You can see it a little bit right there.
like, through there, but like, I see it.
I see it.
Yeah, have my buddy Adam Wingard made the new Blair Witch, the remake.
And I know Blair Witch fans are upset at that, but I still like that movie.
I still, I'm fine with it.
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huge fan of Adam.
Um, and, oh, that's amazing.
Yeah.
his production designer gave me one of the hanging ones from the remake, which I have inmy storage unit.
And then, but no, like, so I grew up in Orlando, so there was, which had ties to Ed andDan, who made the original Blair Witch.
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And then where I first interned, coming out of film school, where I was with Adam, myfirst internship was at Universal in Orlando, and that's
Bill Whitaker, who was the Blair Witch attorney was at.
So I got to, I was kind of like there, right?
mean, the movie had already released, but I was there like as you know, money was comingin for the movie and craziness was happening and all this stuff like in early 2000s.
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And it was really, really cool.
um You know, just to see what had happened there and be a part of that.
So no, and I remember watching the, the sci-fi channel special on the Blair Witch, youknow, and like that completely was just so cool.
And, and so
We wanted to have an immersive situation, just something where you blur the lines ofwhat's real and what's not, like the Blair Witch did.
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And Shelby Oaks very much does that.
mean, if you deep dive into stuff, there's so many things related to that that were a lotof fun to play with.
And I'm making a new movie now that's similar.
I can't say much about it, but we're gonna do the same kind of thing, just go even furtherwith it.
And not necessarily meta, which is what Square Package is, is meta, but like...
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blurring the lines of what's real and what isn't.
And the new movie is gonna be, I truly, you won't be able to tell what's real and what'sfake, which is really fun.
I'm a big wrestling fan, so I'm always pulled into things like, this real or not?
What are they trying to do right oh now?
love it.
love hiring wrestlers.
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I've hired a few wrestlers now.
um Dustin Rhodes, who was in the Scare Package films, which was great.
And then in Revival, we just hired CM Punk.
He was in a few episodes of Revival.
was the best.
Phil's the best.
Dustin's the best.
So yeah, I want to work with more wrestlers.
They're a blast.
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two of revival, I'm glad I don't have my son watching with me though because he's a hugewrestling fan and the one wrestler he hates more than anybody is CM Punk, so he's...
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
I've learned that I realized that like I have friends too who are like Aaron, I love theshow, but like, why did he have to show up?
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And I'm like, what are you talking?
And then we have others that are only watching the show because you know, fills in it.
So it's, uh, it's well, but he's the best.
And yeah, the show, um, revival definitely gets more horror as it goes along.
It's much more, I think it's a little more casual tame at the beginning, in my opinion.
Uh, episode six on that is my baby though.
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Like that's my favorite thing.
That's my favorite thing I've ever done is episode seven.
And uh so you I saw something you said that it's made to be binged.
Like what exactly you mean by that?
Yes.
It's so it was like very so I'm a very meticulous person.
That's a nice way of saying OCD.
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And I went through and I watched all these shows and to understand like if we're making arevival is a murder mystery.
And the concept of revival is it's a murder mystery where the person is now alive to solvetheir own murder because they came back from the dead.
But they're not like a zombie and they're normal.
And so within that, within that murder mystery kind of trope and, you know, the rules ofthat, I watched all the shows to understand, what worked, what didn't and how do you what
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keeps you going?
And there was kind of like it's not really a mathematical formula, but there's like a wayto if you're really thinking about how to construct the episodes to like, OK, you want
your scenes to kind of like peak at this point, then you want to have this moment thatpulls you in.
So it's meant to leave like episode by episode is a cliffhanger.
episode is a cliffhanger and it makes you want to watch the next episode and then it'smeant to ask a new question while answering the question like again and again and then
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that starts to create this there's there's like literally like chemical reactions that youhave in your brain of like I want the answer to this and what's there and I just did so
much research on how that works and and what was there and I learned that tons of writersrooms and showrunners do the same thing and studios even do it
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And I was like, well, how do I do this, but still make it, you know, it's an indie show,truly, truly an indie show.
And, and like, how do we make this our way and still do it with like our vibe and ourtone, but still understand that this can be very rewarding for audiences.
um If you, if you do it this way, cause it's God, you know, to ask somebody to take 10hours of their life to watch something, that's like a huge ask.
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And I think it just needs to be rewarding.
So we were, we very specifically and almost mathematically designed it so you can feelsome.
and want to watch the next episode and kind of and binge and then there's never uh as likeReddit would call it like a filler episode like that doesn't exist.
You know, there's no we're very careful about even though I don't think filler episode isreally what they're saying.
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I mean, that's a whole other side thing I could get into but uh you know, it was it wasimportant to us to craft this in a manner that is
Okay, I am really excited at these questions, but I'm going to, you know, answer aquestion with a question and in finding ways to kind of like open that mystery box, but
not just leave it open the entire time.
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And you're like, what the hell is going on?
You know, at the same time.
Yeah.
there's a lot of shows that try to do that.
like the one, it's an old, I mean, it's like the 90s.
was, remember Alias?
ah Yeah.
a ton of it, but that's J.J.
Abrams, too, I think, isn't it?
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Yeah, which makes sense.
show is like the first time I watched it, you know, like I got the bought like the seasonsfrom the video, the video store.
And it was like every episode was like, this is a good episode.
Like the episode was like, this is pretty good.
And then all of a sudden, like the last minute is just like, here's the biggestcliffhanger ever.
So you have to watch the very next episode.
And you're like, my gosh, you're just kind of burning through all these episodes.
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And I mean, back then to
You know, wasn't really, binging wasn't a thing really, but you know, they were reallytrying to get people to hook in for next week, but it's kind of the birth of the binge, I
guess.
know, Alias was one of those early shows to start doing it to people.
oh
one of the people that I studied with this was JJ and Damon Lindelof in the way that hecreated Lost.
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And Lost does that in a very, very specific way.
There's some seasons where it might meander a little.
um Especially when the writer's strike happened during Lost.
But I thought that show did it very, very well and effectively.
um Just in the, whether you like the way it went or not, I'm a huge Lost fan.
So I love the way it went and I love the ending even.
I have no problem with that.
But I think, again, their construction, they understood that.
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So it makes sense that that would happen in Alias as well.
Yeah.
What are some shows that you've, like what are the last ones you've binged?
Like any shows that you're like, I'm just gonna throw this on and check out the firstepisode.
And then eight hours later, you're like, all right, where's the next season at?
Mine right now is dark on Netflix.
which is that's from a few years ago and it was like 20, I don't know, 2018, somethinglike that, 2019, 2020.
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They did three seasons.
I, so I was writing a show.
I'm writing a pilot of something right now and it had some similarities to Dark.
So was like, okay, I want to make sure I'm steering in different direction.
Let me see what they did.
And I, and I always want to watch pilots.
I had seen the pilot of Dark before and loved it, but I hadn't really dove that deep intoit.
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beyond I think the first couple of episodes.
But I was really into it.
But then when I was writing this, I was like, okay, let me just make sure that I'm nottreading on too familiar of territory.
And then it was like, oh shit, no, I'm totally hooked.
Like the show's fantastic.
And it's so good and it's so twisting.
And it's so interesting because it's a show too that is so complex.
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And I like complex shows, like I enjoyed Severance as well, you know, and how complexSeverance is.
ah you know, so things like that, that I think they reward the people who are willing tolean in.
And that's something that in revival too, like hopefully...
It's a show that, you know, it's on sci-fi.
So like I knew what our audience was.
we can't, and again, not that sci-fi audiences are extremely savvy, but there's a, whatsci-fi as a network and what NBC wants is for it to be very palatable.
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And so we had to like find ways to, okay, you can watch this while doing the laundry andstill enjoy it, right?
But also you can, but if you want to lean forward and really pay attention, you're gonnabe rewarded for all these details and all these clues.
and things that we've hit in the first episode that are gonna come back in the 10thepisode and all this and they're set up for multiple seasons of this too.
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Like there's things set up in season one for future stuff.
So I mean, there's a lot there that's crafted but ah Dark, Dark doesn't even care.
Dark is like, you better be paying attention.
I mean, we have to pause and I'll turn to my girlfriend.
like, wait, wait, wait.
So this is that and that is this and she's like, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's that.
I'm like, no, you're right.
And like we're correcting each other because it's just so.
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So complex.
don't want to say convoluted because that's the wrong word because it's intricate in areally, really beautiful way.
So yeah, huge, huge fan of that.
um
You know, and yeah, but I mean, I don't have time to watch a ton of shows right now, whichwhich bugs me.
I would love, there's a few things like, oh my God, I want to see the new like RaySeahorn's show, Vince Gogan's show on Apple.
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Dying to see that.
Haven't had a chance to watch those first couple episodes, but I have people texting meabout it because I was such a huge Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fan.
Better Call Saul is actually my favorite of the two, which surprises a few people, but.
Yeah, but yeah, I'm very excited to watch that too.
But I love, you know, From.
I'm into From right now as well, but I'm behind on it.
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I think From is great.
Really, really great.
Another Canadian horror show.
of anything.
I have this problem where I'm addicted to the office.
So I'll sit down and I'll bounce from app to app, just kind of looking for what I want towatch.
And then I'm just like, yeah, I'm just going to put on the office.
And then I'm just there for the rest of the night.
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But I wanted to ask, kind of from a curiosity standpoint with somebody that has a TV showthat's out there,
You know, it's on sci-fi for people to watch, you know, week to week, but it's also onPeacock.
So somebody can just watch the entire season.
Is that like, which are you preferring?
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Like, are you, would you rather people take it week by week on sci-fi?
Are you more excited about being on Peacock so people can like access it and just watchthe whole thing?
more excited about Beyond Peacock just because there's more people there that are watchingit.
It just reaches a wider audience.
ah know, but the old school and like, again, watching Lost.
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on a Sunday night coming in or whatever it it Sunday nights I can't remember but likecoming in the next day to work I remember and just having all the dumbest theories about
where I was going to go and I was constantly wrong and I loved that like I just I justreally really enjoyed that I think that's a lot of fun so I do miss that and we were kind
of hoping that would be the case but it's just hard you know I think we really found ourfooting as we got on Peacock ah you know because we would drop weekly on sci-fi and then
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one week later that episode would go on to Peacock but then one
once they all dropped in, like a ton of people, you know, binged it and went through thewhole thing.
And like I said, it was designed so that that could be an option and people then did seemto dig it.
I mean, personally, I'm just down for whatever gets the most people to watch the show.
Like, I just want to get it in front of enough people.
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I'm so proud of this show and I just, I want people to watch it.
You know, I think it's...
I really think it's good um and I'm proud of it.
So that's it.
uh It's just however they want to watch it.
You can rent them on iTunes.
You can do all this other stuff too, like on Apple, or sorry, excuse me, on Prime.
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But yeah, that's, whatever gets people watching it.
I'm happy.
it's definitely, you know, it's still like kind of a big deal when you have a show on TV.
But, you know, whenever you're trying to tell people about it, it's like, yeah, go toPeacock.
It's like, yeah, it goes on sci fi.
Oh, can I watch it?
Go on Peacock and watch it.
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Because, you know, that's you're right.
You know, like a lot of people, they don't even have sci fi anymore.
They just have, you know, apps.
You know, I'm one of them.
don't I don't really have, you know, cable or anything.
I just have all the apps and it's I might as well just have cable because everything costsso much right now.
Yeah, I had to get cable to watch my show.
So, you know, like that was what happened.
Like I got sling, you know, but it was fun.
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Like I was, I had a family member that was in hospital, unfortunately, but we spent a lotof time there.
And I remember going into the waiting area and then the show was on randomly.
yeah.
I was like, oh my God, like this is crazy because they had they had sci-fi was USA Networkis on the air is on there too sometimes.
And it was on the USA Network and it was on.
was like, oh my God, you know, this is crazy.
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And so stuff like that.
That's that's cool.
And how, you know, just the eventized TV of it all, I think is really fun.
I wish that could be a thing, but because not enough people watch it, it's hard.
But we, you know, we had fun.
I mean, there was a really good group of people who became kind of hardcore fans.
Some of the one of the fans came over for the
and um
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there were big fans of Melanie Scrifano, our lead, who's just magic.
She's pure magic.
And we uh would do these things where we'd get on Twitter or Blue Sky or whatever andtweet, like live tweet the episodes.
And that was a lot of fun.
So we did that week to week, which was really, really cool.
And it was trending a couple of times, which was really, really fun.
But other than that, you know, just whatever, whatever gets people watching it, you know.
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But it's cool.
It's still cool.
Like, it's crazy to think that I made a season, a full, and finished it.
I still don't even know how I did that of TV, so pretty crazy.
Right.
So like in scare package, I got a lot of questions about scare package.
ah It's it's definitely one of those movies that's right up my kind of alley.
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um I'm usually, you know, the sillier and crazier movie can get, you know, the better.
And I always appreciate whenever, you know, filmmakers who are making something like that,like if you're, know, though a lot of them won't go all the way on some things.
And
It's a package.
goes all the way multiple times.
But you know, the one thing I like the most about it was the video store because myparents owned a video store when I was a kid.
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And so like I kind of grew up in a video store and that's kind of like where my taste inhorror began because you know, when you're kidding a video store, the horror sections, the
cool section, cause you know, the box art is much different than the box art.
The rest of the store.
so like, what are some, like, what kind of got you
into horror in the early days, like what, you know, got you going?
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Yeah, yeah, well, very similar, actually.
I mean, we didn't own a video store, but one of my first jobs was working at a videostore.
So that's what I did.
I had my own shelf.
It's the whole thing.
uh You know, we...
was it like a chain?
Ah, those are the best.
Florida.
Yeah, a little, I think it was a village video or something.
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I can't remember what it was called, but yeah, I have my own shelf and the whole thing.
And I would always try to, I was always evangelizing horror.
And I think of the scare package movies as that for me too.
It's my way of saying, someone says, I don't like horror films.
And I'm like, well, but like maybe you do, you know?
And here's why.
And here's the things that, you know, cause like I think Jurassic Park and Jaws and theseare
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horror films, they're monster movies, you know, and what's there.
And I think we just have to kind of reframe the way we think of a horror film and thatthey can be fun.
They don't have to just be, I mean, look, Shelby Oaks is very scary and dark and dreary ina good way, in a great movie.
But um scare package is the opposite of that.
It's just meant to have fun and throw blood around and go absurd with it and what's there.
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And I think that that really, you know, when you take those training wheels off, it justkind of gives you this interesting
But yeah, when I working at the video store was just that's my favorite jobs ever.
Like that in a coffee shop, like my two favorite jobs I've ever had.
Well, I guess now making movies is probably my favorite.
But as a kid, you know, those are the things and growing up.
um But I grew up in a strong Christian home where I wasn't allowed to watch anything likerated R or horror.
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So I had to sneak around.
And my grandmother, I'm dating myself here, but my grandmother would get HBO for free,like the channel would come through on her TV and nobody knew why.
And I would take VHS tapes when I was, you know, eight years old.
10 years old and bring them in to my grandma's house and then record overnight on the SLPmode.
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So it would get you like six hours and then and then I would come back and swap the tapesout and then whatever was on those tapes I would watch and I mean in a couple of times it
like would start in the middle of a movie or an end in middle of me.
I didn't know what they were and and it was crazy.
I mean I so so much stuff that was a big
just eye-opening experience for me of just like what a movie could be like, know, gettingto see that stuff that I wasn't supposed to, which was a lot of fun.
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I mean, I remember going to see Howard the Duck as a kid at the drive-in with my family.
And I would sit up at the top of the moon roof of our car.
But behind us was playing, I can't remember which Nightmare on Elm Street it was, wasplaying a Nightmare on Elm Street movie.
And I loved Howard the Duck, but I had already seen it.
And I...
talk my parents into letting me go to the drive-in again to see it.
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And I would turn around behind me and watch the Neymar and Elvish movie, even though I hadno audio, but I still was like captivated, you know, by it.
So all that like really hooked me.
And, you know, it just became, became that forbidden fruit, if you will, as a kid, whereyou're like, you know, don't touch the hot stove and you're clearly going to touch the hot
stove.
So it's like, don't watch horror films.
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I'm like, that's all I wanted to do.
And of course now I make, that's all I do is make horror stuff.
So it's very much state of my DNA.
day.
But yeah, and then I just I became obsessed with it.
And Sean Talley is one of my oldest and best friends who actually still works with me atPaper Street.
He runs our podcast and was a co-producer on on Shelby Oaks and other movies as well.
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And Sean, he would constantly record movies off HBO instead of Max or whatever and sendthem to me or he would, you know, buy the VHS or whatever would be.
And then, you know, I would borrow them from
him.
So there was a ton of stuff that I got from him too.
And yeah, mean, it's that's that stayed stayed today, you know, like I still ah I do havea bunch of tapes in a storage unit.
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Yeah, I got a ton of stuff.
I have a massive DVD collection now, oh as well.
That's in a storage unit.
um And yeah, actually, I always try to release
We have like scared package released on VHS.
We did a VHS version of that.
The first and the second one, which was really cool.
And had like a double disc thing for that at one point.
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And then...
um
Revealer did a VHS.
I Old Man did a VHS.
We did a few, but that was always fun.
I love doing those every time we can.
But yeah, no horrors in my DNA.
I'm always gonna make it.
It's always gonna be what I wanna go watch first and foremost, you know?
And yeah, just massive, massive fan.
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I'm a cinephile.
of your favorites?
Like what's your favorite genre of horror too?
Uh, mean all the truly, truly there is not a sub genre of horror that I love more.
Back in the day, I would have said slasher, but I think that's evolved.
And even what a slasher is, is evolved.
Um, you know, like right now, uh, I just finished writing a body horror thing, Cronenbergask kind of, kind of vibe.
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That's a little sci-fi horror body horror.
And so that, you know, is very much at the forefront for me right now, you know, causethinking about movies like that.
And, um, but, I mean,
Like, mean Jaws is my all time favorite movie.
always will be, you know, and then my favorite, like pure horror movie is The Thing.
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I think The Thing is a literal perfect movie in every way.
You know, it's one of those movies where like as a kid, you're just like, oh shit, this iscool.
Look at this dog turned into like a creature and it's scary and whatever and gross.
But then now you're like watching Kurt Russell and Keith David sitting there and it's ablack man and a white man and they're talking about identity and what does this mean?
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I'm like, my God, this is so poignant.
there's so much that's being said right now about this and how beautiful this movie is.
And so, you know, once you get to unpack it to that level and like...
people act like horror movies aren't supposed to be political.
Like Jesus Christ, like watch 70s and 80s horror movies.
they're all unbelievably political, you know, and so was that movie, you know, so likeNine of the Living Dead.
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You know what I mean?
Like, like, look at the ending of Nine of the Living Dead.
It's, essentially Get Out, the ending of Get Out, the original ending Get Out is kind ofthe ending of Nine of the Living Dead.
Like it's, you know, so I, yeah, yeah, I lost my train of thought, but oh, favoritemovies.
Yes, sorry.
The Thing is a very, very influential film.
for me, John Carpenter is my goat.
um And yeah, but I mean, like truly, I've seen it all.
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I that's you know on a podcast is probably tough thing to say but I mean I really havelike there's very few You know even like the mainstream horror films that are coming out
now like I go out on my way to make sure I'm seeing them I'm at festivals all the time.
I'm watching early cuts.
um I have a lot of friends who make movies I have a lot of friends a lot of distributorswho distribute movies, so I see really cuts um it's just uh Yeah, I I love I Watch them
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all I watch them all
your appreciation level for all the Jaws movies.
I have to ask because I like to me too Jaws is the greatest movie of all time um but Ireally love Jaws the Revenge like uh
this time it's personal, right?
The subtitle, which is ridiculous.
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I love Michael Caine's story about, he's like, I bought a house for my mom because of thatmovie, like whatever.
mean, look, Jaws 4, because of my age, it was very influential to me because of just thetime period of like, it's a new Jaws movie and I think I was able to see it or sneak and
see it in theaters, I think.
ah I can't.
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can't fully recall.
But the opening of that where the son, Brody, the Brody kid, if I'm remembering correctly,he's on the little boat and he's wearing that yellow slicker and he gets his arm ripped
off and it's so bloody and so violent.
it's pretty gnarly.
It's pretty gnarly.
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I did watch Jaws 3 again in 3D at the Alamo Draft House in Austin a few years back.
uh That did not hold up well, I gotta say.
uh Even the 3D moment when the shark finally comes through, it's somehow morphed to belike five times the size now, and I don't know why, but it's just like, okay, this is
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unbelievably cheesy.
uh Lou Gossett Jr.
is doing his best, the best work there, but I still like them, I appreciate them.
Jaws 2, I think, is still very solid.
um And three, three's not the best.
Four, I need to rewatch.
I can't say that I'm sure it's not a good movie, but, uh but it's, I probably would reallyenjoy rewatching it, you know?
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and I think it also it's too it's one of those because like I'm you know when I was a kidthat was the first of the Jaws movies I saw.
So I'm just it's just kind of like in my DNA you know whenever you see those early horrormovies when you're a kid you know when you grow up as part of you.
uh Yeah, so like I remember.
like, oh, sorry, go ahead.
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Oh, is it like in the Bahamas?
And it like, I'm just remembering now, sorry.
It like tracks them from up in, you know, Martha's Vineyard all the way down to theBahamas.
Like somehow, which makes it, it's like the baby of the, oh my God.
Yeah, that's so crazy.
really I'm on the like I know I can just order from eBay, but it's not as fun.
But I'm on the hunt to find the novelization of Jaws of Revenge.
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Because the novelization there's an entire subplot about why this shark is going to theBahamas and everything.
And it's because I think it's because something like Chief Brody arrested somebody onetime and they were part of some voodoo family.
So they put a voodoo curse on the Brody's and that's why the shark is going after them.
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Yeah, it's
basically the plot of Weekend of Birdies 2.
like, you know, like with a shark.
mean, that's pretty.
Look, well, first off, the fact that it hasn't been used like Voodoo.
I'm sure Voodoo Shark has been done.
I mean, it has to be a Voodoo Shark movie.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody's done.
Yeah, yeah, probably.
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Probably.
If not, I might produce it.
It's funny, was earlier this year, we went to Midsummer, Midsummer Scream.
And anytime I go places, I'm always on the lookout for like Jaws the Revenge merch,because there just is not like
Even people make handmade, a lot of these horror conventions is vendors who create things.
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nobody even makes straws or avenged things, which is fine, I understand.
But we went to the Mystic Museum and they have changeable exhibits that walk through.
right now, whenever we were there, there was a 90s era walkthrough where they did a TotalRequest Live thing, but it was called Total Grotesque Live.
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Cool.
I was talking to him and I was like, yeah, you guys should do like an exhibit about justreally bad horror movies.
Mainly just because I want to see Jaws of Revenge get some kind of love.
we walked out of the Mystic Museum and we were literally walking to the car to turn todrive back to where we live, which is in Phoenix.
And this is in Burbank.
So we were leaving and
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we're walking down the street and just like out of the corner of my eye, I saw the sharkfrom Jaws for like, you know, when it's popping out of the water on the poster and stuff,
like on the video game cover and everything.
It's like the main, you know, like that's the jobs.
if you know, jobs for you.
And I cut out of the corner of my I'm like, no way.
And like, I just my friend lost me.
He's like, where the hell did you go?
I went right into the store.
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And it's like a six foot long, French original poster for Jaws for
that selling and they just had it like hanging up on this wall.
And I'm like, is this for sale?
And they're like, yeah, like 40 bucks.
Like, because they're like, it used to be more but nobody wants it.
So yeah, it's just 40.
I'm like, I want it like, and man, I was so like, that was the happiest thing that'shappened to in a very long time.
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Like I was just
god, that's great.
Because yeah, I'm picturing, isn't the, it's like the buoy, it's like the shark, it's likethe boat's broken, the shark's really high, very vertical.
And then there's like a stick, there's like someone with like a stick and a buoy.
Is that, is that what I'm picturing?
uh
Name Lorraine Brody.
This is Brody.
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Yeah, she's like on the boat kind of like steering it and the boats like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, there were two endings to it, too, right?
were two.
There was there was like another ending because there's the one where it like jumps up andgets impaled.
Right.
And then isn't there another version of that?
And there's two ending because there's one where what's his name doesn't does die ordoesn't die.
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I can't remember.
Mario Van Peebles or whatever doesn't die.
I can't remember.
in the normal ending, the shark gets speared by the boat and then explodes and Mario VanPeebles lives.
He's alive still.
Yeah.
And then I think in the other ending, think it I think it just doesn't explode.
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Like I think it just gets impaled and then it dies.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, right.
I mean.
It's.
4.
That's where I'm sticking my plant.
Jaws 4, studio was right.
Like, we can make it explode.
We can make it do whatever.
It's really funny now, because if you, you know, if you watch on a VHS tape, it'sdifferent.
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But now when you watch it on like Blu-ray or on a streaming service, you can very clearlytell that that big finale scene is shot at Universal Studios where that big sky wall is,
you know, when you take the tram to go around.
Because you can see like the seams in the sky, like behind the boat and stuff.
like, it's just like.
Yeah, somehow it just makes it better.
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it just like this just adds more to jaws the revenge for me.
Yeah, I have a, um, from the original ride, the LA ride.
when they dismantled the shark, because I think that shark now is in Japan.
That's the only place where you can actually still do the Jaws ride is in Japan.
But they had the teeth.
When they took apart that shark, they had the teeth of that shark because it gotdismantled.
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And at an auction, I bought one of the teeth.
So I have one of the big center, know, great white teeth from that ride.
And yeah, then I went to L.A.
for the new Jaws exhibit that's at the Academy Museum.
And that was magical.
Yeah, it was magical.
to that.
I know it's going to like next summer, so I'm to make it out there before it ends.
got a good, yeah, we were out there, actually we were there for the Shelby Oaks premiere,and then I stayed that week and we made sure that we planned my week around, making sure
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we could go to that, so yeah.
Yeah.
What other stuff do you collect?
You have any other props?
yeah, I mean, I collect, well, I also like I watches, glasses and like.
you know, shoes, but that's a separate weird thing.
uh I'm in, you because I'm so transient and it's hard, like there's a lot of things I wantto get, but then I can't put them anywhere.
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I don't have a, like I'm in this room right now with like a flower background.
That's not because I have, this is the random Airbnb I'm staying right now, you know?
uh like, so I don't have like a base office or even a base home at this point.
Like I'm very, I'm just completely nomadic because there's this, uh
project to project that you're always moving around for.
So that has limited my ability to purchase some of the things I want.
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But I mean, I'm registered with Prop Store and I'm on a few text threads and a fewFacebook groups for screen use props.
So, and I have a pretty hefty collection of props.
I got a good amount of stuff.
Like I've got a piece of soap from Fight Club, when he was on the plane that's in there.
um
I've got, you know, one of the critter balls from Critter 2.
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I've got a piece of the blob from the 1984, blob, that year blob.
I have just a bunch of stuff.
I have one of the frogs from Magnolia that fell.
I have a bunch of little things and I've got a couple larger things.
And yeah, but I love screen use props.
Like I want more.
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Like when I was at the Jaws exhibit, I was like, oh my God.
every penny I own to have these things if I could.
anything.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
go scoop up the sand from the beach and put it in a jar, you know?
every Jaws thing is so expensive now.
It is just, it is so hard.
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Like I know uh Mike Flanagan has one of the boobies, one of the yellow boobies.
um
on him at the end or?
Yeah, yeah.
So like he's got one of those and you know, like that's my like, you know, hopefully oneday I could talk him into selling it to me.
Like I think that's my hope.
But beyond that, I don't know what else I'll even get because it's just way and even the50th anniversary, it's got even more collectible.
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So yeah, it's hard.
I have a ton of Jaws art, but I that's the thing.
I collect tons of art.
So I have living in Austin for a while.
I really got into the mono art.
So I have tons of Mondo pieces and I've got a couple in my, but it's in my storage unit,that's what sucks.
know, like I don't get to have it up and have it with me, but I have a flat files filledwith a lot of movie and TV art in particular, but then also, you know, some, there's a few
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like abstract artists that I really like.
And in a couple, I just hired one that I love.
He was David Seidman.
ah And he just did art for us on revival.
That's going to eventually become our album art, because we're to release the album fromthe first season of music.
And so we're using that for the album art.
But I commissioned that with him.
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So ah it looks so good.
It's on my Instagram or David's Instagram.
People want to look at it, but it's so rad.
But yeah, like I love, you know, Matt Ryan Tobin, another artist I just love, love, loveso much.
bunch of Mondo stuff and everything as well.
There's this guy named Alex Ekman Lawn who does this like really dark.
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uh
It's not tied to any IP, so it's not like film or anything.
Sometimes people will hire him to do art for a film, but for the most part, he just doeshis own original, just really dark, disturbing art.
But it's like layers, and you have to look at it from an angle, and it's got like fivelayers of art, so it's literally multiple inches thick.
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you know, and it's just like you can you can turn it and see different things.
And it's like inside a head and it's Alex.
I've been lying like that, dude.
I own three originals of his because they're not prints, you know, like he makes one sellsit.
That's it.
um So I got to get a place just so can put up my heart, you know, like that's reallythat's really what I'm most excited about um when I finally get to settle down somewhere.
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But yeah, I know.
So it's all kinds of stuff like that.
Yeah.
like those art pieces whenever like I've seen a museum sometimes you walk in there likethey have it hanging from the ceiling.
And it looks like you know, an animal or something from this side.
But if you like walk around to the side of it, it like changes and looks it's like a faceor something you know,
Yeah, there's a couple really popular names.
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There's a couple of their European artists that do that.
They actually make those and they do really, really cool, disturbing stuff.
And this guy doesn't do it's not exactly that like you can actually see what the image is,but it looks like a flat image.
when you're looking at it straight on.
But then when you come to the side and you look at it and you like if you move at anangle, you see that there's like five layers and there's another piece, another piece and
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different textured stuff underneath.
And so it's like it'll be like a woman's face in a profile.
And then it's like then it goes one layer and it's like ripped skin and another layer.
It's like ripped in the jaw.
Then you're seeing the tooth and then like it's into her mouth and like, like it's reallygnarly and disturbing stuff.
I mean, it's like horror adjacent for sure.
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Alex's work is, but he's, I think he's from Belgium or something, I don't know.
just really cool shit.
But yeah, there's a number of artists like that that I follow.
Jeremy Getty's in Australia.
I buy one Getty's a year.
He's amazing.
So yeah, I really got into art collecting.
But again, I've had to taper that down a little because I'm off and making these things,which is amazing.
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But I have to live in Canada or I live in Chicago or I'm in New York or Louisiana,wherever I'm making the next thing.
So I have no house at the moment because of it.
traveling creator right now.
Yeah, completely.
I mean, truly, I have multiple storage units and I have no home.
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You know, my girlfriend has a condo, you know, but that's it.
I mean, you know, so yeah.
I mean that's got to be just like you know you're living the dream kind of you know it'sYou know be able to walk into a room like you said earlier and see your show playing And
like a waiting room or something that's got to be just like an incredible feeling
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It's silly, it's silly.
I don't know how I lucked out to make this happen.
is, but yeah, it's a very, you know, it's a humbling thing too.
Like you just kind of, just to take a moment, like I've gone back to my school a few timesto speak to students and stuff and kind of helps me like just really remember how hard it
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was and the journey and.
you know, and how grateful you are to get to make anything.
Like this just started with me, like, okay, I want to make one movie.
Like, you know, I had turned, I was about to turn 30 and I was like, want to make a movie.
you know, and I did, I I made Kimura Obscura and, but it wasn't good.
And my cut never got released.
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And I was so frustrated and all this stuff that I was like, well, I gotta do it again.
Cause I know I can do better, you know?
And then that's what I made scare package.
And then that kind of like truly scare package really launched a lot for me and my careerbecause not just that, that movie blew up so much.
wasn't like that.
I mean, the movie did well, but it was the fact that
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It was just very validating for me.
was like, oh, this is what this was just in my head as a super silly thing.
And it's what I would want to see.
And then other people wanted to see it.
And we were able to make it very inexpensively and put the dollars on the screen and allthis.
And when people realized like what we made it for and all this, it became.
just became something for us to shoot for and you know then started producing and all thisstuff from there and now I you know I don't ever want to stop um making stuff so yeah to
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go from that um you know like just make one thing and see if I can find a way and now youknow I just run another pilot I'm in a feature I'm directing like I have you know all
these things and
It's just, it's very, very exciting.
I Humbling is not a way of putting it because it's, you know, I'm so grateful, um youknow, and I feel so honored, but it's, but it's just like, I don't know, it just gives you
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this like weird perspective uh on, on, you know, goals and not giving up and shooting forsomething.
I don't know.
I'm not articulating it well, but, it is, it's just been a very important journey.
um And yeah, I, I still.
get completely tickled like when somebody random is like, like I was at in Toronto and
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So I didn't know and they were, I was just saying I had a show and they weren't someoneelse introduced me as someone who had made a show and they had watched my show.
They had watched it and seen episodes and knew about it.
And I'm like, oh my God, like, and I knew they did because they had, they knew specificthings about it.
Like they weren't just lying to me, which is what I always think.
I think someone's just lying to me, you know, like, you haven't actually watched it.
You know, you're just pretending cause I'm here in front of you, you know, and they reallyhad, and they really meant something to them.
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And, know, we went to a Cineo Comic Con for the show and we had a line of like, you know,200 people for all
autographs for hours, you know, coming through and, and, know, people were emotional andcrying because the show meant something to them and they have tattoos and they're dressed
up as characters.
And I'm just like, what is happening?
You know, it's a pretty very, very surreal and just unbelievably grateful position for meto be in for sure.
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Yeah.
I'm gonna hit you with one last question before we wrap things up.
It's gonna be a big one, so you're gonna have to think about it.
If you could get your hands on any franchise to do what you wanted with, which one wouldyou go for?
I mean, look, so the old answer for this for the longest time was Friday the 13th becauseI wanted to do something with Jason's dad.
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That was my whole thing.
I wanted to do it in the snow and with Jason's dad.
That's what I thought would be cool.
ah You know,
everything I there's a lot of there's a lot of themes that I have with you know father Ihave dad issues and stuff and whatever and it permeates a lot of my work so I just thought
there's a really cool angle here we don't know much about this so I wanted to do that butI believe the new Crystal Lake Memories or Crystal Lake Show that A24 is doing is going to
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go into some of that I think so we'll see um so that's no longer on there the another onethat well there's two so I'll give you two other answers
One really fun thing that I would love to do is in the vein of scare package is I wouldlove to make not a screen movie.
I want to make the stab movie that's in the screen movies.
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Yeah.
I want to be able to, but I want to wait until all the screen movies are kind of like runtheir course in which might be soon, I don't know.
um And see, yeah, whatever's going on after Landon left and I don't know.
mean, Kevin Williamson's in, so I guess there's something cool there.
But I don't know, it's all weird.
And I don't like the way they handled the Melissa Brer stuff.
And so anyway, that's another side thing.
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it would be nice to see what is there and then make.
the stab version of that that exists in the universe.
I just think it would be so fun and to really, really go like wild with it.
Because I mean, at one point they they show it up like moments of like I think it's inScream 5 or Scream 6 where there's like stab 4 and they've got blow torches and stuff or
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whatever.
And I'm like, this is my God.
And I want to take what they've what they've like laid out and make our own movie out ofit, which I think would be really, really fun.
you try to still cast the same cast that they had and like the little clips from stab likeI think what is it like isn't like Luke Wilson is Billy Loomis and staff.
It was Tori spelling.
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Yeah.
m
Tori was almost in Scare Package 2.
It was almost yeah, yeah, yeah.
We couldn't work out the timing.
She's a sweetheart.
um But yeah, no, I would play with it.
You know, I would definitely play with it.
um But that's that's harder, you know, to see like what who would want to do that.
But I'm.
uh
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The thing I'd really like to do, and I've talked about a few times, and I actually pitchedon it at once, but then the IP kind of reverted and there's a whole thing, is I want to
make a modern critters movie.
But like full bore, you know, I have things I want to do with the critters that go alittle further.
I love the fact that it's these aliens that are coming down, they're shape shifting, youknow, and what's going on.
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Like I want to play with that.
But I have a story of this.
I have a whole pitch around it that I would love to try to do.
oh I just think, I think, I always call them like the punk rock gremlins.
Like it's just a very, you know, there's like, there's an adjacent, but I want to go fullhorror with it.
You know, like I want it to be scary.
And so, you know, and by the way, when Leonardo DiCaprio says that he does not do sequels,someone needs to remind him that he was in a critter sequel.
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So he's lying.
He's lying.
He does sequels.
So yeah, just FYI, Leo.
So.
maybe we can get them back for the next critters.
yeah, you know what?
I'll do it.
I'll reboot Critters with Leo 100%.
100%.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
feel like all those like monster kid movies from the 80s, you know, like I used to kind ofbe against remakes, but now I'm like, whatever, like, just give me more stuff of the
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things I love, you know, I'd like to see.
yeah, I'm not against remakes as long as you're understanding, like it shouldn't just besome cash grab of here's a nostalgia thing that we're just gonna piggyback on because it
has IP and it's worth it.
There's things, there's limitations during that time of what they could have done.
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There's also like an inherent cheesiness to some of it that I think could be modernized ina really fun way.
Like, and I think you could do good stuff with that, you know, but also like my idea forcritters is it's actually well, it's like it feels like a remake, but it's actually a
sequel.
You know, it's one of the twists at the end, but.
we're getting a new Gremlins, so maybe a little spark from 80s monsters.
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Start coming back a little bit more.
What else was there?
Chris Columbus is doing the new one.
Yeah.
Well then, all right.
Well, that's cool.
I mean, you know, he's part of the OG team, so.
You know, there was that, was...
Ghoulies, that's the other one I was thinking of.
There was ghoulies.
I remember munchies.
Do you remember munchies?
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Yeah, yeah.
there all these derivative versions.
Gullies though, and like was it like Gullies 2 goes to college or 3 goes to college, oneit was?
That's great.
Like that's really, really fun.
I had the poster of Gullies in our guest bathroom above the toilet because it's the Gullycoming out of the toilet right above the toilet.
I had that for the longest time like in college and in my early 20s.
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Yeah, no.
And I actually reached out to Charles Band.
about the re about, you know, the rights to ghoulies because critters was so tough at thetime.
And I was like, well, maybe I could do ghoulies, ah you know.
So and my buddy Steve Kostansky, who just made Frankie Freaco, which is very much in theghoulies world, you know, I know he would love to get.
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it made me think of it wasn't it's like there was full moon but then they had moonbeamlike their separate company that made like those kids movies.
It gave me like it gave me some serious moonbeam vibes and I was like, yeah.
of moonbeam in a really long time, but I do recall that.
Yeah, that's wild.
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Yeah, that's wild.
is called Remote and it was like one of those movies that like after Home Alone came out,everybody just started making like kid versus burglar movies.
And it was just is this Moonbeam movie where this he's like this kid's trapped in an atticand like all the burglars are downstairs and he's sitting all these remote controlled cars
and things down there to mess with them.
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And it's a very bad movie.
But, know, when you're
there's a couple good like...
kid, you're just gonna watch it no matter what anyways over and over again.
This guy, Chris Peckover, made uh a Home Alone adjacent movie.
god, what is it called?
It was a Christmas, it's a home invasion thing with a twist.
uh my god, it's Chris Peckover directed it, Rodan directed it.
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It's really, really good.
uh Because they changed the name.
They changed the name of it.
But it's definitely worth checking out.
uh
Ah, damn it.
I can't remember the name of it right now.
But anyway, if you look up Chris Peck over what he made, you'll see there's this movie andit's a very Home Alone-esque kind of thing.
There's even a joke, a Home Alone joke in it with like a paint can thing that better watchout.
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That's the new title.
It was originally called something else back in the day, but better watch out.
That's what it's called.
It's really good.
Yeah, very, very Home Alone-esque.
Yeah.
Man, I gotta say like you and your your group of friends here you guys are like the topdogs, at least for me like, like steepest like psycho Gorman's.
Incredible like that's it's, it's holds up so well to like because I just showed like,like me and my oldest kid watching when it first came out, we loved it.
(50:34):
And then like when my youngest kid, he got a little bit older, I showed it to him and
was like, this still holds up.
This is an incredible movie.
Yeah.
It's so good.
In fact, I was just talking about it because I saw Predator Badlands over the weekend andI was like this.
ah OK,
Yeah.
I, the first 20 minutes, I was going be very, very honest.
(50:54):
The first 20 minutes, I was annoyed.
I was like, what has happened?
This is like a Disneyification of Predator.
I don't need to see Predators talk.
I don't need this comedic relief.
Like this feels like an Ewok character being brought in or something like this.
This feels very odd.
And then I had to get over that bias of like what I thought Predator was.
(51:17):
because and also it was PG-13 that kind of bugged me and I was like, it needs to be moreviolent and you see more skulls, more blood, you know, all this.
But then by the time, then as it kind of moved through and I was like, okay, I'm enjoyingthis.
This is actually really fun.
This is really fun.
Then it gets to the end without giving it away when like dude shows up.
with the amalgamation of everything that's on the planet.
(51:38):
And I'm like, okay, this is brilliant and wonderful.
And I love it.
And I absolutely love the movie, but it took me, I just had to be prepared.
Cause I just thought I'm like, oh, they're making a PG-13 version of Predator right now.
It's very tame.
It's very Disney.
And that was annoying me.
But once I got past that, it became brilliant.
(51:58):
And it's one of my favorite movies of the year even, but took me, took me a minute.
And I mean, even with the BMPG 13, it's still very violent.
It's just like the main thing is like, there's no humans.
So there's no blood.
It's all Yeah.
that's awesome to get away with it, which is honestly, I mean, what freaked me out withthem and I my God, like the power loader moment.
I'm just like, okay, you guys are just nostalgia.
(52:20):
I get it.
It's working.
Congratulations.
This is everything to me right now.
You're just taking these, these brilliant movies and bring them together in such a perfectway.
And I knew it because they kept saying the name of the company again and again and againthroughout Predator Badlands.
And I'm like, okay, something's going to come around here.
You know, what's there like I knew it, but I
still didn't see the power loader moment kind of coming, which was really, really rad.
(52:44):
uh But when I was walking home and I was talking with my girlfriend Katie about it, whojust loved it, she was obsessed with it.
And I was like, it kind of reminded me of Psycho Gorman of like, in this like person wholike has the power with this predator that's gonna like, you know what I mean?
Like, like the way that she becomes paired with him with PG.
um
And I was just talking about it in a weird way, you know, but I dug the movie and yeah,Steve, Steve Kostanski actually did our effects on revival.
(53:12):
So he worked on the show.
Yeah, I built our alien type figure.
It's not an alien spoilers, but our we call a passenger.
It's an alien looking figure that's in the show and it's a full puppet and everything.
But Steve's just one of the best humans, makes amazing movies.
see Deathstalker when it comes out.
(53:33):
Yeah, I love the old one.
And when I saw Pat and Oswalt involved in this too, was like, that's perfect.
It's so good.
so rad.
It's so fun.
What they pulled off for that budget is complete magic.
But that's what Steve does.
He's one of the best at it.
Yeah.
(53:55):
Aaron, dude, thank you so much for hanging out and chatting.
What do we need to be keeping an eye out for?
What do we need to be doing to help support you and everything you're doing?
Yeah, look, mean Shelby Oaks is still in a few select theaters um and then it's gonna becoming to premium on demand very soon, uh you know, within the next few weeks.
(54:17):
uh Everybody will see announcements for that.
So please check it out, please rent it.
um That would go a long way.
And then Revival is still on Peacock.
Would love people, we're trying to get a season two.
right now.
So people still watching that is very helpful.
um You know what's there.
And then we have a little movie called Bloodshine that's going to be coming out next yearthat Emily Bennett and Justin Brooks made very, very small, full core, pretty disturbing,
(54:45):
kind of sexy in a weird way um movie that's coming out.
I thought Justin and Emily really killed it.
ah And yeah, I a couple other things remote that Steve Danganaro who made Final Fantasy 3Dwere doing his follow up film.
Those are
very very tiny films you know that we're still just trying to support you know otherfilmmakers trying to get stuff off the ground ah and then yeah and then I'm I've got a I
(55:08):
can't say I got a couple things up my sleeve that are very exciting and you know buthopefully it's those are derailed for season two of revival that's what I would love to
see going so
Yeah.
And where can everybody follow you and find out everything to keep up?
Yeah, I mean, I'm on, I am still on X.
(55:30):
I got back on because of Revival and I've kind of stayed on.
That's there, it's kind of a cesspool, but I am there.
But I'm on Instagram, it's where I'm most active, is Instagram.
Yeah, it's just Aaron B.
Coons, easy to find.
Yeah.
you so much again, man.
ah We will definitely be helping spread the word, and hopefully we'll get a season tworevival.
(55:50):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
Yeah.
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