December 9, 2025 • 56 mins
Crazy Mane joins to discuss his early wrestling career and notable matches, opponents, and future plans. The conversation explores the importance of character in wrestling and Crazy Mane's favorite match stipulations, unique match spots, and least favorite weapons. Highlights from his wrestling career are shared, along with his distinctive wrestling style and recommended matches. Crazy Mane reflects on his international wrestling experiences and outlines future goals. The episode delves into his in-ring personality, backstage interactions, and the cultural significance of Lucha Libre and its influences. He offers advice for aspiring wrestlers and closes with his thoughts on the sport.
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What's up, everyone?
Welcome to a very exciting episode of Beyondthe Bell.
Today, I have a very special guest on here.
He does death match wrestling.
He is one of the most hardcore wrestlers I'veever seen.
Let me introduce you guys to crazy main.
Boo boo.
How we doing last time?
It's your homeboy.
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Crazy main all up in here, y'all.
Straight from the 956 Laredo Fucking Texas.
Y'all wait.
Can I use language in this podcast?
We can use language.
Don't worry.
Okay.
Okay.
Just making sure.
If we have to go PG, I'll go PG.
You know what I'm saying?
No.
You're alright.
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No.
We we good, y'all.
We good.
How are doing, bro?
You know?
I'm doing great.
How are you doing?
Pretty good.
A a bit humid out here in in the good old 956As we're speaking, we're, like, 98.
Yeah.
That's beyond human.
You know?
That's still hot for September.
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But over here in the South, especially Texas,it's how can I say this?
It's very bipolar.
It could be raining in the morning, and then itcould be fresh in the at noon.
And then you got spring at one or 2PM, and therest is balls burning hot.
Triple digits
off.
Feel that's how it's been up here in SouthDakota too.
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Oh, I feel you.
You know, sub vortex of all types of, you know,weather around here.
Yeah.
Well, I guess let's get into this.
How'd you get started with the whole wrestling,like, and everything?
Oh, like like, how did my my love for wrestlingall began?
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Well, yeah.
What brought you into doing it as well?
Oh, what brought me in?
Okay.
First and foremost, how my love for wrestlingstart all all the way to before I could even
remember, me and my pops would take me to thissmall arena here in the okay.
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Context.
I live in Laredo, Texas, literally border townbetween No Laredo No Laredo, Tamaulipas,
Mexico.
Literally, like, we're as south as the bordercan be, literally.
We so we will go across.
We say across, like, basically, across theborder, you know, to to watch Mexican Lucha
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Libre.
Even before I remember.
You know?
I was a little baby.
And when as I start to grow old, older, no Iwas five or six.
I would see the the big greats of Mexican luchalibre.
Elpero Aguayo junior, Javier Monero Junior, mayby the way, may they rest easy, by the way.
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And and now as I got older, up into my teens, Igot that itch that itch of parkour, extreme
wrestling.
First was I stumble upon the old DVDs of ECW,like the like the I saw New Jack, RBD set the
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great saber, which, by the way, rest easy,brother.
Yeah.
The greats.
And then I remember vividly, like, once I nowinto my, you know, almost current age recently,
I got that itch of actually more than justbeing a a mark, a fan, and actually start
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training and and get becoming a naturalwrestler myself.
And from the get go, I I told my trainer,which, by the way, Hosaludo, a shout out to my
trainer, Sacred Dragon, Mercy Monster, andamazing route pretty great trainers.
You know, shout out to them for guiding me toto the path I'm going to.
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And I told them straight off the bat that Iwanna do hardcore death matches.
And all three three of them gave me thatlittle, like, ugh.
I don't know.
Like, are are you sure you just wanna do deathmatches hardcore?
I mean, I I consider myself, like, the probablythe only pure death match wrestler in the
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Laredo, Texas wrestling scene as we'respeaking.
I'm the black sheep.
I I quote myself as the the black sheep of theLaredo, Texas wrestling scene because almost
little to no one does hardcore that matcheslike myself.
Yeah.
And, I mean, it's insane.
A lot of the things you do, it's just crazy.
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I mean, I've seen especially, like, the lastmatch you had.
I've seen the one with insomnia.
I've seen the triple threat that turned to afatal four way.
Yeah.
About that one.
That's all I could find, really, but I've seenthem all all I could find.
And I think I sent you earlier, you know, youknow, before
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That's yeah.
And that one, I wanted to ask about that.
How do you feel after losing your title onSaturday?
Honestly,
I I don't wanna say I feel defeated.
I felt like I felt like a breakthrough becauseI'm gonna be honest with you.
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I stumbled upon IJP in Saint Joe Pain, which,by the way, shout out to in Saint Joe Pain.
Whoop whoop.
Juggle a fam.
I stumbled upon him.
I'm gonna say how it is.
You know, it's not a shoot, but it is what itis.
I saw him he he was in this promotion where itwas a yarder promotion, and he was literally,
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like, that diamond out of the dozen in thatthat yard.
And I'm like, you, You you you, my friend, Ineed you out of here and bring you in into the
into an to the actual death match scene becausethat that little circle of yours, you're just
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not gonna get out of.
I see real potential in you.
And literally months later, he took the tileaway from me.
What an ungrateful son of a bitch.
But but on the real, though, he's got lots oftalent, lots of he like I said, I see some
flare, some shine in him.
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So to me, losing that tie wasn't a defeat.
It was like a breakthrough of someone that Ipicked up and, you know, forged him and
sharpened the tools that he needed to to excel,to shine above where he he used to be at.
And and I really hope he brings shine to thattitle.
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If not, I'm gonna take it in right back offfrom his hands back to where it belongs to me
in in Laredo, the real 956, baby.
Do you have plans on getting your title backfrom him or invoking your rematch against him?
I'm gonna let him you know, I wanna I wannatest him.
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I'm like, prove me how you're gonna defend yourtitle.
Bring shine to it.
And it's what I previously stated that if youif you don't give shine to that title, I'm
gonna snatch it off from your hands because Ibelieve in him, and he also believe in me.
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But but sorry, not sorry.
I I made him, and he knows it real well.
You know?
And that's a shoot.
That's a shoot, brother.
Well, hey.
I mean, you know,
I'm glad you guys can still get along in thingsand there's no hard feelings.
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I mean, I know, obviously, it's it's stillchoreographed, but at the end of the day, some
people get hard feelings from it for somereason.
Some people just wish I would like to jump atthat subject if you want to talk about, you
know, insider stuff.
We can talk about insider stuff.
If you know, you know.
Sure.
Let's talk about some insider stuff.
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So what what it baffles me is that and someoneI'm gonna give a His name is El Cabernario.
He he works at team ML, the same company thatAEW is working, you know, collabing with.
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He he told me once, you know, in Sherlock, heand he said something that I never saw it in
wrestling.
Wrestling, the is literally the only sport thatwins and losses don't matter.
Seriously.
Like, you can still go over without winning.
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I can state like a a like, an example, Kasai,Jun Kasai, the o the death match OG, you know,
Japan, like, crazy monkey.
When he first started, he he never got over,but he ironically got over because of his
antics and his and his comedic, you know,things he would do in the ring.
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Like, he would rock a in his early days ofKasai, he would rock he would rock, like, a a
monkey tail.
He would come out with a and please quote me.
Don't quote me this.
He would rock a a banana bazooka into hisentrances.
Like, he was very out there.
And he he didn't get old like, he didn't, like,win, but he still got over because of his
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antics and his his comedic stuff that he did inthe ring.
Yeah.
I mean, sometimes that's all it takes.
You know, things like that kinda remind me of,like, how, you know, Hornswoggle never
wrestled, but he got really, but he got over asa wrestler because antics.
Literally, like and Cabernado was right.
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Like, wrestling is the only sport that wins andlosses don't matter.
They don't.
You can still go over
It's all about who you are and how big of areaction you can make.
And if people like you or not, people wanna seeyou.
Exactly.
You know?
Like, people literally paying a ticket to seeyou.
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You're you're a draw.
Win or lose.
You know?
You're there.
People wanna see you.
Exactly.
And so that brings you in.
So the death match scene, is that where youstarted wrestling?
Like or did you have any matches outside ofthat before?
Oh, like well, ironically enough, my my debutmatch was literally a chairs match.
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Like, something vanilla, but it it could itcould get crazy within a a chairs match.
Believe me.
Oh, yeah.
Alexander Blackwater, aka Steampunk Pirate.
By the way, shout outs to Alexander Blackwater.
You know, my my first opponent and my firstrival, we went we went hell and back through
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our our first year.
You know?
We made we completed hardcore versus where hehe won the the hard the XHW Intercontinental
Hardcore Championship in in a in a barbed wirerope SOS death match.
Crazy stuff.
One of my easily top five death matches I'veI've done, like, as of now, you know, honestly.
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I'm definitely gonna have to check him outafter this.
I don't think I've heard of him yet.
I'll send you, you know, his socials after ifneed be.
He's because he he on UIG.
That's the thing.
He's mostly active there.
Ah,
makes sense.
Trying to think of what my next question was.
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I lost it.
Well, okay.
Well, yeah.
Alright.
Go for it.
Wait.
You had something?
What what were you gonna say?
Go ahead.
Like, now I have I wanna ask you a questioneven though you're the host, but I I have this
in in the tip of my tongue.
Who who recommended me, like, like, out ofanyone?
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Like, who who's because you you send me no.
You look for me or someone send somebody in
actually sent you to me.
Oh, that makes so much sense.
I tell you, like, he
Bye, guys.
I
I made him.
I tell you.
I made him.
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Holy He has to.
He owns me.
He owns me stuff, bro.
You know?
Like but on the real, he I owe him his flowers.
You know, he's he's been he's been phenomenalthis year.
I told him that literally, after getting downfrom our match, yeah, two two nights ago on
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recording time as we're speaking, I told him,Joe, 2025 is the year of insane Joe pain.
And that and that is on a 100, brother.
It's not.
Yeah.
I mean, this year, he's held two, threedifferent titles, I believe, now counting the
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one he won.
Yeah.
That I was gonna say he has more titles thanme, per se.
I only have one, which was the XAWIntercontinental Hardcore Championship.
You'll have another one soon, and we know thatfor sure.
Mhmm.
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There is a And that's where I wanna head headto my my next move in the in the game.
You know?
K.
So Exactly.
So now this was a bit of an old match, but I'msure you remember it.
The Insomnia match.
I did not know you guys Oh.
That end part, was that, like, preplanned forthem to steal your mask?
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Yeah.
It was it's something not many audiences well,here in The United States, audience, they don't
they don't see, like, the the that antique,that swapping the mask and and acting now like
the other person's, you know, you know,personality and stuff.
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But it it was a it was a spot that we alwayswanted to do.
Like, let's just swap mask, and we just pretendwe're one another.
Well, we switched personalities per se.
I I swapped Insomnia's mask, and he wore mine.
And let me tell you, his he had a small asshead.
That shit was fucking tight.
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Oh, I can imagine.
Yeah.
I mean, I've I've never seen that before, but Iwas like, was that something you guys came up
with last minute?
Or
Oh, it was, you know, it was we we were we wereplanning for it.
You know?
It was preplanned and a spot that we alwayswanted to do, you know, act one like, swap our
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mask and just act like each other, like,mirroring each other.
It's a it's a old Mexican, you know, spot.
It has to
be seen it a couple times, and I've seen somevideos of Mysterio senior even doing that spot,
I believe.
Yes.
It's almost forgotten, sadly, almost forgottenspot in Mexican Lucha Libre.
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I'm glad to see it coming back, though.
Believe me, it's fun.
And speaking of fun, you know what?
Match is actually, like, pretty fun to workother than death matches.
It's TLC matches or ladder matches in general.
Oh my goodness.
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They're so much fun.
Oh my fucking
Oh, I can imagine.
You seem like the guy that would love to justhit a frog splash off the top of a ladder.
Yeah.
I don't know if you saw my previous match, butI think we I was working this promotion called
Texas Combat League in Houston.
We were we were it was me, Frazee Main, Smokethe Reaper, Primo Ka, Gavin Young, Marcus Ray,
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Jack's and Jack Spears.
I it was a seven it was a seven man laddermatch for the TKO championship briefcase.
And, oh lord, we only had two ladders.
One, like like I said, the entire terms.
One for bumps and one for the actual climbing.
And we had to literally holding on to thatladder for dear life throughout the the whole
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match.
I I think everybody want to get their spots in.
And let me tell you, everybody definitely gottheir spots in.
Probably my favorite no.
Yeah.
Second favorite ladder match I've done to date.
One of my favorite spots from that match wasthe was the reversing Primo Kuh from a from a
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suplex to my finisher, the the crazy driver.
It's basically a a modified angle slam.
Let's be real here.
I didn't wanna say it because I enjoy the move.
But yeah.
It's like I said, I gotta be real with you.
It's a it's a modified the Tracy driver's justa modified angle slam.
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It's there.
For real, it's like, that's a that's a matchstipulation.
That's pretty fun.
That's not because whenever I ask certainworkers I wanna work with, they, like, nope.
But, no, like, in the sense, like, since I knowI do dev match, I think, oh, this guy just
wants to barbwire and light tubes andthumbtacks, which, by the way, fuck thumbtacks.
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That's, like, my DevMatch pet peeve, by theway.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I can kinda see it.
Like, I mean, I don't see it on your face.
Like, it's kinda see it with, like, yourexpression with your mouth.
Sometimes you hit that thumbtacks, you're like,not again.
Yeah.
Like, a little story between the first time wehad my bout with IJP in Saint Joe Payne and
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this other talent called Langareth, we had thiscontraption.
It was a board with barbed wire, light tubes,and the cherry top one.
Thumbtacks.
It was a I remember that.
Contraption.
That was
the four way mats, wasn't it, with you, JoePayne, Len Garrett, and Rashad, wasn't it?
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Demarcus Rashad?
That was the that was the second the secondone.
I'm talking the the one back in March in XCHW'ssummer of pain.
I mean, sorry.
I didn't see that one yet.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Everything was going well until they option.
I sadly went through it through scoop slam,whatever, by Joe.
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The first thing I felt was, obviously, theglide tubes and then the thumbtacks.
And then I felt something, like, very, stuckstuck.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And, like,
and then the horror.
Some of the thumbtacks were starting to slidedown my butt crack into my boxers and down to
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my Oh.
The family's jewels.
Oh, no.
Joe, like I said, insider terms, Joe gets me inthe headlock, and I'm like, Like, wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
And I'm start to fucking shake my leg just toget the thumbtacks out of my my ballsack
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because let's just say that won't be a very funway to spend that night.
Oh god.
I shake my leg a bit, and I'm like, okay.
I'm good.
Fucking fucking gut check him.
And and then from there, I can't seem toremember.
But, yeah, fuck dumb text.
That's, like, my only pet peeve in deathmatches.
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They're they're not east they're not good forfor your skin.
And by the way, not only that's that's why I'myou know, like I said, the thumbtack crawling
to my unmentionable, my balls.
One thumbtack in particular got stuck right inthe very sweet spot.
It was right in my tailbone.
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I had to call actor, aka Rebelkit, the promoterof XHW, to tell me, hey.
Hey, bro.
I got a thumbtack stuck in my tailbone.
Just get it out.
Get it out.
Get it out.
It's hurting shingles, like, a lot.
A lot.
He pulls.
I'm like, nope.
Okay.
Twist.
Like, twist it and pull.
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He gets one two three.
Pull.
And then it starts gushing out because, like Isaid, it was right on the tailbone.
Oh, yeah.
I I couldn't sit down properly for three weeks.
Oh.
True thumbtacks.
Oh, absolutely.
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I guess, what are your three, like, leastfavorite then since we're all
in that?
Oh, okay.
Other than thumbtacks
Oh, yeah.
Some someone used an actual, like, dildo.
No.
Yeah.
And they Alexander to be specific, it wasAlexander Blackwater that wanted to do, like,
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butt stuff.
And I told her no butt stuff because he said,I'm not if you don't wanna do butt stuff, then
I'm not gonna take butt stuff.
Whoop dee doo.
He decided to use a a 14 inch dildo from one ofthe fans, whoever godforsaken thought it was a
good idea to bring up 14 inch dildos.
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With the independent scene in bringing dildosto the show?
Right.
And to he tried to insert it into my my pooranal cavity.
You know, I felt it.
Whatever.
You know, it's 2025.
I take it.
He he celebrates with a trial with the dillosstill in him.
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And to be quite honest with you, I got heated.
I didn't really sold it.
I pick up a steel chair, and I rocked I rockedAlexander Blackwater's head because, like and I
told him, fuck.
I and I think you can find my on my Insta.
It it's one of the most viewed most viewedfucking videos I have in my reels.
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I I literally said it out loud because it wasaround the time of of Peydidi, you know, the
Peydidi case.
I said, fuck you.
You Peydidi references.
The whole entire crowd just start cracking uplike like, bro.
And then on and underneath the bread, I stillgave him a fucking potato for, like I said,
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doing butt stuff to me.
When we said no butt stuff, like, both.
You know?
Like, god.
I got him a receipt for that.
But we we're cool now.
You know?
No no bad blood, literally.
Mhmm.
And the number one, you know, least favoriteweapon to take is, like, I already said
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thumbtacks.
Right?
Okay.
Yes.
I guess we're on two I've yet taken a a firespot because fire spots are super, super,
super, super unpredictable.
No one knows how to put out fire.
People forget how to to stop, drop, and roll,and then people bring kerosene, gasoline.
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No.
There's no way.
Like, just bring regular alcohol you buy atWalgreens or whatever the fuck.
And with a simple touch of your hand, it's it'sout.
Yeah.
What's with the kerosene, gasoline?
We're not trying to light each other on firehere.
Yeah.
Like, I'm I've seen the I've seen some workersgo through it.
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I'm like, no.
This is I mean, I'm I'm down willing to do it,but I I mean, y'all have, like, the water hose,
a fucking the OSHA fucking fire extinguisherready, which, by the way, not all fire
extinguishers are the same, but that's adifferent story.
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But, yeah, fire spots are, like, my leastfavorite to take because they're super
unpredictable.
Yeah.
That definitely seems like that would be themost unpredictable thing you could do is get
put through fire.
Literally.
So I guess next what's the biggest match you'vedone?
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Match, like, of my career?
Yeah.
What's the biggest match of your career so far,would you say?
I'm very, very glad you asked that one.
Because let me tell you this, and I still can'tbelieve I'm I literally was I was toe to toe
face to face with the with her v, the the finalboss of death match wrestling himself, Necro
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Fucking Butcher.
You were you faced Necro Butcher.
Yeah.
Dylan Dylan Summers, aka aka Necro Butcher.
Holy shit.
That guy, his the first thing they told me whenwe were in the back, I'm like, you you know I'm
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trying to imitate Netra as much as you know,back in Mexico, these hands, I used to call
them.
I'm like and let me tell you, them stone hands,they were stone hands.
Like, he knocked me the fuck out.
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And that was probably the best KO I ever had inmy life.
He's such a sweet guy.
He's not a he's not a dick.
Literally, one of the most down to earth deathmatch workers ever that I work with and
probably in the whole scene.
Everyone in the death match teams love him.
By the way, shout to Dylan.
I love you, man.
I hope you can see this.
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Your homeboy praising me from Laredo, Texas.
I love you, Dylan.
Love you, brother.
Like I said, 13 year old me will not believelike, if I would have a time machine right now
and go back, like, over a decade from now,like, over ten years ago, and tell my 13 year
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old self and, like, hey.
Hey, bro.
Stop what you're doing.
Stop what you're doing.
Whatever you're doing right now, keep doing itbecause in in in year in down the future,
you're gonna be in the same fucking ring withwith the legendary necro butcher.
And now probably 13 year old me will finallyshit a brick.
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I'm living my dream.
Man, I know what you mean.
That would be like if 13 year old me was told,hey.
You're going to be interviewing independentwrestlers from all over America here soon.
He'll probably shed a brick too.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely.
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I'm glad to see that you are living yourdreams.
So, like, I guess, out of not out of thematches you've seen, but, like, what's your
favorite one that you've watched?
You know?
Doesn't have to be anything big.
Could be independent.
Anything.
Like, all my all time favorites?
Yeah.
Like, other than my okay from Oh, damn.
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That's a that's a very toughy one.
That's a very toughy one.
I will narrow it down to, like, okay.
Here's like, this is not a top five.
This is literally right on top of my headbecause this this this legend this death match
legend meets a Lucha Lille legend, which, bythe way, this guy also did hardcore in his in
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some stint back in Mexico.
I'm talking about the LA park, Adolfo Tapia.
By the way.
It was him, LA park versus Masada in the in theLucha Extema back in Reynosa, I think it was
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2014, 2015, like, over ten years ago.
LA Park faced Masada.
Toughest sons of bitches in the business.
Let me tell you that.
Wow.
It's a must.
Literally, my two passions, my death matchwrestling and Mexican Lucha Libre just collide.
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It was beautiful.
Like, none of them look weak at all.
Like, the, like, the heat was there.
You know?
Like, Masada's a good worker.
Shout out to Masada.
You know?
You've seen this.
He's an amazing worker.
He can't work regular matches, but he prefersdoing death matches.
And like I said, Tapia, you know, LA Park, he'sdone it all.
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He's been in Japan and Mexico, Latin America,North America, kinda everywhere.
He's a he's a global phenomenon, literally.
Yeah.
I believe he's even done some shows in Africanpromotions too.
I mean, literally hit every continent that youcan for wrestling.
He's done it all.
Literally done it all.
One of my top matches and also another one Ican really get on top of my head right now was
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of Junkasai versus right.
Ito in the in the death match in freedoms.
And it combines it combines the the the strongstyle of Porro of Japanese Porro.
So, you know, Japanese strong style with thetechnical wrestling and and also the way the
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weapons were used because a lot because I gottasay, I don't wanna bash certain certain
workers, but I think there's a trend,especially in those, you know, certain niche
groups online.
If you know, you know.
I'm not gonna drop name drop them.
But there's this thing called hack and slash,which is just basically web weapons and using
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other sort of weapons.
No rattling or no wrestling moves.
Just straight up hack and slash.
You know?
An example, that is was no hack and slashdamage.
Ryuichi versus Jun Kazai at Freedom's.
02/2008, 2000 Just gotta have it the link.
And, also, a recent one was that XPW XPW DrakeYounger versus Idol Boy.
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Man.
I and also to Drake Younger.
A big shout out to him.
Both amazing workers.
They brought the technical wrestling.
Like, the match was perfect, but sadly, IdolBoy slash his like, the the paper cut from
hell.
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Like, literally right from here, he showed meNo.
The story.
Like, the worst paper cut ever.
He's almost sliced the entire finger off, hesaid.
They had to cut it short, but it was and a lotof even a lot of wrestling articles were were
promoting this match because it was so damngood.
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It was, I think, 2022, 2023.
I don't work for this Drake young DrakeYounger.
Like I said, this is not top five.
This is, like, matches that gained on top of myhead are, like, my favorites.
I can watch over and over and over and over andover and over again that I could not get bored
of.
Recommended.
Truly recommended matches everyone shouldwatch.
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If you're into Mexican lucha or or death matchwrestling, it's a combination of both.
Another and there's a lot of the matches youguys should watch, honestly.
And for me, I recommend Crazy Maine if you likejust hardcore and extreme.
Oh, like, my matches?
Yeah.
What you do.
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I mean, like, it's not all, like, just purehardcore.
There's real wrestling, real technical skill.
Oh, yeah.
I work some regular matches here and therebecause, you know, some some promoters still
warn me despite I'm a death match guy.
But sometimes I like to prove the haters thatCrazy Maine does know how to wrestle.
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Like, okay.
From the top, death match wise death deathmatch wise, watch Crazy Maine versus Alexander
Blackwater, hardcore versus twenty twenty four.
My my fine for now, my one of my all timefavorite matches I've worked and probably the
most perfect, like, chef's kiss.
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Yeah.
I mean, honestly, you probably got the funniestspot of your career there with that line.
Like, the two year check.
The the butt stuff and then the receive after.
Yeah.
The receipt probably gave you the funniest lineI've heard from Death Match Wrestling.
But and then for regular lucha libre, youshould see the my match between me and
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Insomnia.
Like, we worked a really good match.
It's a very fun match to watch too.
Yeah.
Insomnia, he he he's a is a is a he's a greatman.
He he has a good head on his shoulders,literally, invariably.
If you Insomnia, please.
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He's a he's an awesome worker.
Should be booked more.
So have you worked any since you're right onthe border, have you worked any matches in
Mexico before?
I want to work Mexico, but, preferably sinceCan we pause this a bit?
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Yeah.
Is everything alright?
I just need to move somewhere else.
You know?
Yeah.
That's alright.
Let me look.
Just give me five minutes.
I know you can pause it somewhere.
Yeah.
I can pause the recording I'm about to.
Oh, man.
And we're back.
We're back.
We're back.
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Hiccups there, but we're right back to where wewere.
Yeah.
Technical difficulties, y'all.
There's always gotta be some.
Right?
Yeah.
Literally.
Well, I mean, I guess I don't remember where wewere at with the last question.
Do you?
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Oh, yeah.
About the about regular oh, matches that ifI've been getting bookings out of the country,
like Mexico, Canada, Japan.
Well, going back to, you know, Mexico, I itdon't you know, take it with a big grain of
salt, but you might see Crazy Maine soon inMexico, mostly Noradelta, Malipas, winter
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twenty twenty five.
So keep an eye out on my socials, which I'llput probably underneath the I'll I'll send them
to Google here.
You know what I'm saying?
To our host, you know, my socials, my Facebook,
and And those will all be linked down below
Mhmm.
When
it drops.
So that'll be your first work in Mexico if thisgoes through.
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Right?
Yeah.
Winter twenty twenty five, which is, like,three months time.
Hell yeah, homie.
Whoop whoop.
Much calm love for you there, man.
You got this.
Thanks, bro.
Thank you.
And, also, speaking of, you know, working outcountry, your boy, one of my all time goals as
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a as a talent, as a worker, is to be booked inJapan.
And I don't have to go over.
I think I I slightly, you know, state this, butwe I don't have to go over since I I'm in the
show.
I'm in the I'm being booked in Japan.
To me, that's enough because I made it.
You know what I'm saying?
Exactly.
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Like, that I mean, you can't ask for anythingbetter.
That's honestly my dream is to go one year, getbooked for my music in Japan in April or
something.
You know?
Hope it comes true as well, brother.
I pray.
I pray.
Is
there a specific promotion you want to book youfor a match when you go to Japan?
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There's three in my mind.
Freedoms because of Jack, which, by the way,Jack.
Vic, he's very over over there in Japan,especially in freedoms.
He's I think he's he's he's still held in thefreedoms championship over there.
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You know, he's he's basically right hand atthis point.
Other than freedoms, BJW, and, of course,Sakura Toshiyoki's promotion.
Don't quote me on that because I know of hispromotion, but he's been promoting it on on his
media and socials.
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DIE, Deathmatch International Entertainment,which also Bill Under Jack has worked on.
And that's the one I was waiting.
I knew you were gonna say DeathmatchInternational.
I knew it.
Oh, it's that promotion you wanna get booked.
I knew you were gonna say it.
I was just I was like, what when is he gonnasay it?
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Like, it's in a new up and coming, you know,death match promotion in Japan.
Yeah.
Someone sent it to me actually when they foundout that one of my friends down in Texas said,
oh, you're watching Crazy Maine matches?
When he called me, he was like, here.
Check this out.
And earlier, seen some some clips he sent me.
Well, it's like I said, I noticed a lot ofpeople told me that like like I said, it's the
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antics I do in the ring, not just my, you know,my hardcore death match shit, but also the
stuff I say or the stuff Yeah.
I sometimes do.
Just the personality, man.
I mean, you got a unique personality that Ihave not seen with other wrestlers really.
And, like, your antics, they really do alignwith that, which you don't see a lot when
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people do antics.
It doesn't really align with the personality oftheir character.
Yeah.
You
found a way to do both.
Yeah.
Literally.
And it's usually stuff that it's on the fly.
It's not planned.
It just happens.
You know?
It's a lot of stuff I say or or or on myantics, it's literally on the fly.
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You know?
That's why I'm unpredictable in matches.
You know?
Which, by the way and I think a lot of peopletouch this subject matter, and I think and I'm
gonna go into insider terms and stuff.
So of and I noticed because a lot of peoplekinda, like, back away from the deathmatch
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scene or hardcore scene.
This kid, which like I like I said, shout outto Marcus Ray, he was gonna work with me in a
deathmatch.
And, previously, I told him, hey.
You want some color.
Like, you wanna get some good blood, like,color?
I show him a gossip plate.
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But on Messenger, I'm like, this is a gossipplate.
These will will hurt, but will get you goodcolor.
Put it on the skin, and it'll stick.
Just a little chop, and it'll start tricklingdown or even on the four like, I've seen all
types of spots.
I'll do it.
I'm like, fuck.
(42:17):
Yeah.
Okay.
Day of the show.
I show him my gauze plate.
He looks at it, like, closely.
I widen wide as an egg, and he he just lookedat me.
That's that I'm gonna take that.
Well, yeah, you said you want to take a gossipplate spot unless you want me to.
He just stayed quiet, and he just went to acorner.
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Probably looks scarier in person.
He he started to have a panic attack.
And I'm like, yo.
Some of his bots started to work on him, youknow, to get out of him.
Like, hey.
I mean, we if you don't wanna go through thespot, I'll do it.
You can do that on me.
No worries.
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Like I said, I'm not a I'm not an asshole.
I'll work with you, and I'll make it look likea billion bucks, which, by the way, I can make
anyone almost like a billion bucks.
I'll sell the fuck out of anything you throw atme.
I'll I'll push Shawn Michaels if I have to.
If you know, you know.
Oh my god.
But not that type of selling, though.
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But like I said, I'll make anyone I'm I'm not aI'm not an asshole.
I'm not I'm talking now.
You know?
And that's a shoot.
It's a I'm not a I'm not an asshole.
I'll work with you.
I'm like, hey.
I'm gonna you see this?
I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking gonna give you thisgossip plate on your on your on your on your
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right shoulder or right hand or even yourforehead.
Like, this is how it's gonna go.
Like, I had to if I had to explain it, I'llexplain it.
I don't wanna, like, say names or bring downworkers, but there are certain workers that
they'll just take business business forthemselves and not, you know, not let your
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opponent know about what is I mean, it stuffhappens.
Sometimes it's on the fly.
Like, we improvise.
But at the end of the day, it's we have to makethis show go on with the work of both or even
more of us workers to make a good show for thefor the fans.
You know?
Yeah.
And I mean What's
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techie show?
Yeah.
I know a lot of, like, the show not going on.
Like, when I interviewed Demarcus Rashad a fewdays ago or, like, a week ago, he was telling
me how there are people, like, where his matchwhere he's been booked, and they've had to
cancel his match because people won't fight himbecause his character he's crazy, and they
don't think it's not a character.
Oh, yeah.
My homeboy Demarcus.
(44:49):
He has quoted yeah.
He he's not crazy.
It's just that he has the he's literally andplease quote me on this.
He is the the Texas New Jack with a bit ofBrian Pilman spill into him.
What's crazy is I just saw him say that on apost.
He said that himself in our interview, and Ifeel it feel it when I see his matches.
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That's
I he took that from me because, you know,outside the ring, like, we were talking like,
bro, like, I know you got the blessing fromyou, Jack, before he passed away, by the way,
Rasizi.
Yeah.
Rasizi.
Jack.
You got the blessing from him before he passedaway.
But the Brian Pilman shit, I gave you thatnickname because you kinda go on a tangent or
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like, you do stuff that like I said, it'suncanny.
Get it uncanny.
The uncanny is a remarkable shot.
Mean, that's why you get some names.
Right?
He's he's a Texas news job with a bit of BrianPillman spilling on it.
Yeah.
And he really does show it when he goes in.
His promotion his promo skills are next level.
(46:02):
Absolutely next level.
I mean, even during, like, with the last LenGarrett match when something you never want to
happen happened, you know, He was still able tostay in character, grab that mic, and promo for
a good while.
Yeah.
Keep the
ball going in between matches.
(46:23):
Yeah.
I believe that.
But like I said, if for anyone that's workedme, I might be crazy and in a bit of, you know,
a loony, a goof.
Let's be real.
I'm a goof, like, in and out of the ring.
I'm talking now, like, the person behindCrazyMane, the the character.
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I'm a goof in and out of the ring.
That's why it goes back to me saying my antics.
The stuff I say during my matches or the stuffI do during my matches.
It's you.
It's just you with a mask.
Literally.
Like, at times, if it's Crazy Maine, the personbehind the the the mask or or the behind the
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mask is crazy, man.
Like, there's a bin of of of blurred linesbetween the character and the person behind the
mask.
You know?
And I take and a lot of I I wanna go on alittle tangent right now, but I think American
audiences don't really understand the anonymityof the of the Lucha adore mask.
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It's like how can I explain when I explain tosomeone, like, that's not fair with Lucha
Libre, I explain it like, it's like Bruce Wayneand Batman?
You don't see them in the same place.
Bruce Wayne's not out there saying, I'm Batman.
I'm like, no.
It's a secret.
Like, it's a it's a second life.
(47:58):
And and let me tell you, I was I have a shoejob.
Like, I have I have this job, and then I havemy other regular nine to five shoe job, which,
you know
Yeah.
And that's something like me here, like, withthe name difference.
I get it.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, I have a second life, especially when itcomes to my, let's put it, partners, you know,
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the ones I get intimate with.
They they sometimes they know.
Sometimes they figure it out through my voice.
Like and then and I told them, no.
I'm not.
I don't know him.
Just
say no.
He's my cousin if they figure it out from thevoice.
Like, I tell you, sometimes it's a strugglewhen it comes to my, you know, partners.
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Well, that's a different story.
It's the Well,
I guess one question I really like to ask,who's your Mount Rushmore for wrestlers?
Your top four.
Your Mount Rushmore.
You know?
Mm-mm.
Mount Rushmore.
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Of wrestling or tough match wrestling?
Whatever you choose.
How about just overall wrestling?
Death match guys, normal guys, anything.
Oh, okay.
Here we go.
Just for wrestling wrestling, it's thefollowing.
The Mount Rushmore, it how many are in theMount Rushmore?
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Five or six?
I forgot.
Four.
Oh, four.
Oh my god.
My social studies teacher would be so upset.
No.
I said six, and it was supposed to be four.
Oh my god.
Miss miss Martinez is gonna be so upset.
I'm so sorry.
Anyways, my top word, like, you know, the facesof, you know, the rash Mount Rushmore
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wrestling.
One, Ric Flair?
Two, like, can it be, like, worldwide or justthe West?
It can be it can be anyone from anywhere.
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LA Park, Antonio Inoki.
By the way, And finally, the fourth would beoh, this is gonna be a very, very, very, very
hard one to narrow down.
But, like, like, modern wrestling, it's WillOspreay.
(50:50):
And I literally stated by Aaron's What
was that?
Will Ospreay.
Yeah.
I heard I can't argue with that one, man.
He's amazing.
Like I said, I have you noticed I mentionedthem by arrows?
Yeah.
And, like I said, wrestling wrestling.
And okay.
Now let's go with the death match.
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And I'm gonna name them, like, the whole globe,not just the West.
Some say the West.
I'm saying the the, like, the the East side ofthe world, like, globally.
Yeah.
Think Necro Butcher Necro Butcher, Mick Foley,Terry Funk, Juncasai, and nobody else.
(51:38):
No.
All great choices and rest in peace to TerryFunk there.
Wow.
That is I mean, you really do know greatwrestling and great wrestlers, and you know
what you're doing.
Well, before I let you go, is there anythingyou wanna tell everybody or anything, or is
(51:59):
there anything
you want me
to say?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
This is, like, my five minutes of inspirationfrom yeah.
My noise, the light was so bad here.
Why y'all didn't tell me?
Well, never mind.
Look.
That's better lighting for your homeboy.
For any everyone that's out there, especiallyfor the newcomers, the the green guys or the
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people the the boys that are trying to get intothe business, either if it's death match or
regular wrestling, whatever, it's I like tosay, like I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm not fearless.
I still have fear whenever I go to a match, butI still do it because I have courage.
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Let me tell you something.
One of my favorite cartoons of all time iscourage the cowardly dog.
If if you're a nineties, 2,000 kids, I thinkyou you know that show.
In that show, for the people that don't knowabout courage the cowardly dog, it's basically
a show about a a scary cat dog, ironically,scary cat dog that faces monsters, ghosts, and
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protects his beloved owner Murray Muriel fromall those monsters, and he's always scared
shitless.
And yet, he still gets the job done and stillsaves the day, still saves Muriel.
Even though he's shitting his pants, he's stillshitting a brick.
I still go out there and wrestle.
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Even I was shitting I was shitting a a brickwhen I was facing Necro Butcher.
But why I still do it?
Not because I really love it and I'm kindastupid.
Because I have courage.
Even when if you're scared for everyone that'sout there, even if if you're scared, just just
do it.
Even if it scares you.
Because by the end of it, whatever doesn't killyou makes you stronger or more stupid.
(54:01):
Yeah.
And and almost before we go off, I wanna dropmy socials below.
It's at crazy main nine five six in Facebook.
And for my Instagram, for all the, you know,the new kids because, apparently, the new kids
love Instagram more than Facebook because yourhomeboy, Crazy Maine, is already unk and still
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uses Facebook.
My IG is also Tracy Maine, all low caps,altogether, Tracy Maine nine five six on my
Instagram.
I'll I'll put I'll send you the links below.
And on that, I'm very glad to be on Beyond theBell.
It it was been it was an honor.
(54:44):
It was it was an honor being here, and and,hopefully, maybe we could have a part two or
whatever.
You know?
It was an honor to interview you, and I reallyhope we can bring you back for a part two.
Yeah.
Because I got lots of stories to tell.
Lots.
Yeah.
Only Right now, it's a it's already eight.
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Well, central time, it's 8PM as we'rerecording.
And they as we're speaking speaking ofbookings, one of my messages, if I they want me
for a booking literally right now for areplacement.
And let's just say your homeboy is gonna proveprove everyone that I can still wrestle without
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death match.
You know?
There's no way.
I was just thinking what if like, before westart, what if you got a booking during the
show?
And you got one during our last couple minuteshere.
So I'm gonna let you go so you can do that.
Yeah.
Thanks, bro.
And like I said, I'll send you my my socials mylinks to my socials so you can place them below
(55:47):
if need be.
And like I said, stay updated to with mysocials, y'all.
Your homeboy, Tracy Main, the nine five sixdeath max sensation.
Real hardcore nine five six juggalo shit.
Oh.
You
guys don't wanna miss what he has going on.
(56:07):
You guys definitely don't wanna miss anothermatch.
I'm happy to have you on.
Whoop whoop.
Much clown, love.
I'll hopefully see you next time.
Fuck yeah.
What's up, everyone?
Welcome to a very exciting episode of Beyondthe Bell.
Today, I have a very special guest on here.
He does death match wrestling.
He is one of the most hardcore wrestlers I'veever seen.
Let me introduce you guys to crazy main.
Boo boo.
How we doing last time?
It's your homeboy.
(00:22):
Crazy main all up in here, y'all.
Straight from the 956 Laredo Fucking Texas.
Y'all wait.
Can I use language in this podcast?
We can use language.
Don't worry.
Okay.
Okay.
Just making sure.
If we have to go PG, I'll go PG.
You know what I'm saying?
No.
You're alright.
(00:43):
No.
We we good, y'all.
We good.
How are doing, bro?
You know?
I'm doing great.
How are you doing?
Pretty good.
A a bit humid out here in in the good old 956As we're speaking, we're, like, 98.
Yeah.
That's beyond human.
You know?
That's still hot for September.
(01:03):
But over here in the South, especially Texas,it's how can I say this?
It's very bipolar.
It could be raining in the morning, and then itcould be fresh in the at noon.
And then you got spring at one or 2PM, and therest is balls burning hot.
Triple digits
off.
Feel that's how it's been up here in SouthDakota too.
(01:26):
Oh, I feel you.
You know, sub vortex of all types of, you know,weather around here.
Yeah.
Well, I guess let's get into this.
How'd you get started with the whole wrestling,like, and everything?
Oh, like like, how did my my love for wrestlingall began?
(01:47):
Well, yeah.
What brought you into doing it as well?
Oh, what brought me in?
Okay.
First and foremost, how my love for wrestlingstart all all the way to before I could even
remember, me and my pops would take me to thissmall arena here in the okay.
(02:07):
Context.
I live in Laredo, Texas, literally border townbetween No Laredo No Laredo, Tamaulipas,
Mexico.
Literally, like, we're as south as the bordercan be, literally.
We so we will go across.
We say across, like, basically, across theborder, you know, to to watch Mexican Lucha
(02:30):
Libre.
Even before I remember.
You know?
I was a little baby.
And when as I start to grow old, older, no Iwas five or six.
I would see the the big greats of Mexican luchalibre.
Elpero Aguayo junior, Javier Monero Junior, mayby the way, may they rest easy, by the way.
(02:51):
And and now as I got older, up into my teens, Igot that itch that itch of parkour, extreme
wrestling.
First was I stumble upon the old DVDs of ECW,like the like the I saw New Jack, RBD set the
(03:18):
great saber, which, by the way, rest easy,brother.
Yeah.
The greats.
And then I remember vividly, like, once I nowinto my, you know, almost current age recently,
I got that itch of actually more than justbeing a a mark, a fan, and actually start
(03:39):
training and and get becoming a naturalwrestler myself.
And from the get go, I I told my trainer,which, by the way, Hosaludo, a shout out to my
trainer, Sacred Dragon, Mercy Monster, andamazing route pretty great trainers.
You know, shout out to them for guiding me toto the path I'm going to.
(04:02):
And I told them straight off the bat that Iwanna do hardcore death matches.
And all three three of them gave me thatlittle, like, ugh.
I don't know.
Like, are are you sure you just wanna do deathmatches hardcore?
I mean, I I consider myself, like, the probablythe only pure death match wrestler in the
(04:24):
Laredo, Texas wrestling scene as we'respeaking.
I'm the black sheep.
I I quote myself as the the black sheep of theLaredo, Texas wrestling scene because almost
little to no one does hardcore that matcheslike myself.
Yeah.
And, I mean, it's insane.
A lot of the things you do, it's just crazy.
(04:45):
I mean, I've seen especially, like, the lastmatch you had.
I've seen the one with insomnia.
I've seen the triple threat that turned to afatal four way.
Yeah.
About that one.
That's all I could find, really, but I've seenthem all all I could find.
And I think I sent you earlier, you know, youknow, before
(05:06):
That's yeah.
And that one, I wanted to ask about that.
How do you feel after losing your title onSaturday?
Honestly,
I I don't wanna say I feel defeated.
I felt like I felt like a breakthrough becauseI'm gonna be honest with you.
(05:26):
I stumbled upon IJP in Saint Joe Pain, which,by the way, shout out to in Saint Joe Pain.
Whoop whoop.
Juggle a fam.
I stumbled upon him.
I'm gonna say how it is.
You know, it's not a shoot, but it is what itis.
I saw him he he was in this promotion where itwas a yarder promotion, and he was literally,
(05:50):
like, that diamond out of the dozen in thatthat yard.
And I'm like, you, You you you, my friend, Ineed you out of here and bring you in into the
into an to the actual death match scene becausethat that little circle of yours, you're just
(06:10):
not gonna get out of.
I see real potential in you.
And literally months later, he took the tileaway from me.
What an ungrateful son of a bitch.
But but on the real, though, he's got lots oftalent, lots of he like I said, I see some
flare, some shine in him.
(06:31):
So to me, losing that tie wasn't a defeat.
It was like a breakthrough of someone that Ipicked up and, you know, forged him and
sharpened the tools that he needed to to excel,to shine above where he he used to be at.
And and I really hope he brings shine to thattitle.
(06:51):
If not, I'm gonna take it in right back offfrom his hands back to where it belongs to me
in in Laredo, the real 956, baby.
Do you have plans on getting your title backfrom him or invoking your rematch against him?
I'm gonna let him you know, I wanna I wannatest him.
(07:14):
I'm like, prove me how you're gonna defend yourtitle.
Bring shine to it.
And it's what I previously stated that if youif you don't give shine to that title, I'm
gonna snatch it off from your hands because Ibelieve in him, and he also believe in me.
(07:34):
But but sorry, not sorry.
I I made him, and he knows it real well.
You know?
And that's a shoot.
That's a shoot, brother.
Well, hey.
I mean, you know,
I'm glad you guys can still get along in thingsand there's no hard feelings.
(07:56):
I mean, I know, obviously, it's it's stillchoreographed, but at the end of the day, some
people get hard feelings from it for somereason.
Some people just wish I would like to jump atthat subject if you want to talk about, you
know, insider stuff.
We can talk about insider stuff.
If you know, you know.
Sure.
Let's talk about some insider stuff.
(08:21):
So what what it baffles me is that and someoneI'm gonna give a His name is El Cabernario.
He he works at team ML, the same company thatAEW is working, you know, collabing with.
(08:43):
He he told me once, you know, in Sherlock, heand he said something that I never saw it in
wrestling.
Wrestling, the is literally the only sport thatwins and losses don't matter.
Seriously.
Like, you can still go over without winning.
(09:06):
I can state like a a like, an example, Kasai,Jun Kasai, the o the death match OG, you know,
Japan, like, crazy monkey.
When he first started, he he never got over,but he ironically got over because of his
antics and his and his comedic, you know,things he would do in the ring.
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Like, he would rock a in his early days ofKasai, he would rock he would rock, like, a a
monkey tail.
He would come out with a and please quote me.
Don't quote me this.
He would rock a a banana bazooka into hisentrances.
Like, he was very out there.
And he he didn't get old like, he didn't, like,win, but he still got over because of his
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antics and his his comedic stuff that he did inthe ring.
Yeah.
I mean, sometimes that's all it takes.
You know, things like that kinda remind me of,like, how, you know, Hornswoggle never
wrestled, but he got really, but he got over asa wrestler because antics.
Literally, like and Cabernado was right.
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Like, wrestling is the only sport that wins andlosses don't matter.
They don't.
You can still go over
It's all about who you are and how big of areaction you can make.
And if people like you or not, people wanna seeyou.
Exactly.
You know?
Like, people literally paying a ticket to seeyou.
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You're you're a draw.
Win or lose.
You know?
You're there.
People wanna see you.
Exactly.
And so that brings you in.
So the death match scene, is that where youstarted wrestling?
Like or did you have any matches outside ofthat before?
Oh, like well, ironically enough, my my debutmatch was literally a chairs match.
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Like, something vanilla, but it it could itcould get crazy within a a chairs match.
Believe me.
Oh, yeah.
Alexander Blackwater, aka Steampunk Pirate.
By the way, shout outs to Alexander Blackwater.
You know, my my first opponent and my firstrival, we went we went hell and back through
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our our first year.
You know?
We made we completed hardcore versus where hehe won the the hard the XHW Intercontinental
Hardcore Championship in in a in a barbed wirerope SOS death match.
Crazy stuff.
One of my easily top five death matches I'veI've done, like, as of now, you know, honestly.
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I'm definitely gonna have to check him outafter this.
I don't think I've heard of him yet.
I'll send you, you know, his socials after ifneed be.
He's because he he on UIG.
That's the thing.
He's mostly active there.
Ah,
makes sense.
Trying to think of what my next question was.
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I lost it.
Well, okay.
Well, yeah.
Alright.
Go for it.
Wait.
You had something?
What what were you gonna say?
Go ahead.
Like, now I have I wanna ask you a questioneven though you're the host, but I I have this
in in the tip of my tongue.
Who who recommended me, like, like, out ofanyone?
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Like, who who's because you you send me no.
You look for me or someone send somebody in
actually sent you to me.
Oh, that makes so much sense.
I tell you, like, he
Bye, guys.
I
I made him.
I tell you.
I made him.
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Holy He has to.
He owns me.
He owns me stuff, bro.
You know?
Like but on the real, he I owe him his flowers.
You know, he's he's been he's been phenomenalthis year.
I told him that literally, after getting downfrom our match, yeah, two two nights ago on
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recording time as we're speaking, I told him,Joe, 2025 is the year of insane Joe pain.
And that and that is on a 100, brother.
It's not.
Yeah.
I mean, this year, he's held two, threedifferent titles, I believe, now counting the
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one he won.
Yeah.
That I was gonna say he has more titles thanme, per se.
I only have one, which was the XAWIntercontinental Hardcore Championship.
You'll have another one soon, and we know thatfor sure.
Mhmm.
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There is a And that's where I wanna head headto my my next move in the in the game.
You know?
K.
So Exactly.
So now this was a bit of an old match, but I'msure you remember it.
The Insomnia match.
I did not know you guys Oh.
That end part, was that, like, preplanned forthem to steal your mask?
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Yeah.
It was it's something not many audiences well,here in The United States, audience, they don't
they don't see, like, the the that antique,that swapping the mask and and acting now like
the other person's, you know, you know,personality and stuff.
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But it it was a it was a spot that we alwayswanted to do.
Like, let's just swap mask, and we just pretendwe're one another.
Well, we switched personalities per se.
I I swapped Insomnia's mask, and he wore mine.
And let me tell you, his he had a small asshead.
That shit was fucking tight.
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Oh, I can imagine.
Yeah.
I mean, I've I've never seen that before, but Iwas like, was that something you guys came up
with last minute?
Or
Oh, it was, you know, it was we we were we wereplanning for it.
You know?
It was preplanned and a spot that we alwayswanted to do, you know, act one like, swap our
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mask and just act like each other, like,mirroring each other.
It's a it's a old Mexican, you know, spot.
It has to
be seen it a couple times, and I've seen somevideos of Mysterio senior even doing that spot,
I believe.
Yes.
It's almost forgotten, sadly, almost forgottenspot in Mexican Lucha Libre.
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I'm glad to see it coming back, though.
Believe me, it's fun.
And speaking of fun, you know what?
Match is actually, like, pretty fun to workother than death matches.
It's TLC matches or ladder matches in general.
Oh my goodness.
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They're so much fun.
Oh my fucking
Oh, I can imagine.
You seem like the guy that would love to justhit a frog splash off the top of a ladder.
Yeah.
I don't know if you saw my previous match, butI think we I was working this promotion called
Texas Combat League in Houston.
We were we were it was me, Frazee Main, Smokethe Reaper, Primo Ka, Gavin Young, Marcus Ray,
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Jack's and Jack Spears.
I it was a seven it was a seven man laddermatch for the TKO championship briefcase.
And, oh lord, we only had two ladders.
One, like like I said, the entire terms.
One for bumps and one for the actual climbing.
And we had to literally holding on to thatladder for dear life throughout the the whole
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match.
I I think everybody want to get their spots in.
And let me tell you, everybody definitely gottheir spots in.
Probably my favorite no.
Yeah.
Second favorite ladder match I've done to date.
One of my favorite spots from that match wasthe was the reversing Primo Kuh from a from a
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suplex to my finisher, the the crazy driver.
It's basically a a modified angle slam.
Let's be real here.
I didn't wanna say it because I enjoy the move.
But yeah.
It's like I said, I gotta be real with you.
It's a it's a modified the Tracy driver's justa modified angle slam.
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It's there.
For real, it's like, that's a that's a matchstipulation.
That's pretty fun.
That's not because whenever I ask certainworkers I wanna work with, they, like, nope.
But, no, like, in the sense, like, since I knowI do dev match, I think, oh, this guy just
wants to barbwire and light tubes andthumbtacks, which, by the way, fuck thumbtacks.
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That's, like, my DevMatch pet peeve, by theway.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I can kinda see it.
Like, I mean, I don't see it on your face.
Like, it's kinda see it with, like, yourexpression with your mouth.
Sometimes you hit that thumbtacks, you're like,not again.
Yeah.
Like, a little story between the first time wehad my bout with IJP in Saint Joe Payne and
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this other talent called Langareth, we had thiscontraption.
It was a board with barbed wire, light tubes,and the cherry top one.
Thumbtacks.
It was a I remember that.
Contraption.
That was
the four way mats, wasn't it, with you, JoePayne, Len Garrett, and Rashad, wasn't it?
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Demarcus Rashad?
That was the that was the second the secondone.
I'm talking the the one back in March in XCHW'ssummer of pain.
I mean, sorry.
I didn't see that one yet.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Everything was going well until they option.
I sadly went through it through scoop slam,whatever, by Joe.
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The first thing I felt was, obviously, theglide tubes and then the thumbtacks.
And then I felt something, like, very, stuckstuck.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And, like,
and then the horror.
Some of the thumbtacks were starting to slidedown my butt crack into my boxers and down to
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my Oh.
The family's jewels.
Oh, no.
Joe, like I said, insider terms, Joe gets me inthe headlock, and I'm like, Like, wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
And I'm start to fucking shake my leg just toget the thumbtacks out of my my ballsack
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because let's just say that won't be a very funway to spend that night.
Oh god.
I shake my leg a bit, and I'm like, okay.
I'm good.
Fucking fucking gut check him.
And and then from there, I can't seem toremember.
But, yeah, fuck dumb text.
That's, like, my only pet peeve in deathmatches.
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They're they're not east they're not good forfor your skin.
And by the way, not only that's that's why I'myou know, like I said, the thumbtack crawling
to my unmentionable, my balls.
One thumbtack in particular got stuck right inthe very sweet spot.
It was right in my tailbone.
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I had to call actor, aka Rebelkit, the promoterof XHW, to tell me, hey.
Hey, bro.
I got a thumbtack stuck in my tailbone.
Just get it out.
Get it out.
Get it out.
It's hurting shingles, like, a lot.
A lot.
He pulls.
I'm like, nope.
Okay.
Twist.
Like, twist it and pull.
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He gets one two three.
Pull.
And then it starts gushing out because, like Isaid, it was right on the tailbone.
Oh, yeah.
I I couldn't sit down properly for three weeks.
Oh.
True thumbtacks.
Oh, absolutely.
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I guess, what are your three, like, leastfavorite then since we're all
in that?
Oh, okay.
Other than thumbtacks
Oh, yeah.
Some someone used an actual, like, dildo.
No.
Yeah.
And they Alexander to be specific, it wasAlexander Blackwater that wanted to do, like,
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butt stuff.
And I told her no butt stuff because he said,I'm not if you don't wanna do butt stuff, then
I'm not gonna take butt stuff.
Whoop dee doo.
He decided to use a a 14 inch dildo from one ofthe fans, whoever godforsaken thought it was a
good idea to bring up 14 inch dildos.
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With the independent scene in bringing dildosto the show?
Right.
And to he tried to insert it into my my pooranal cavity.
You know, I felt it.
Whatever.
You know, it's 2025.
I take it.
He he celebrates with a trial with the dillosstill in him.
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And to be quite honest with you, I got heated.
I didn't really sold it.
I pick up a steel chair, and I rocked I rockedAlexander Blackwater's head because, like and I
told him, fuck.
I and I think you can find my on my Insta.
It it's one of the most viewed most viewedfucking videos I have in my reels.
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I I literally said it out loud because it wasaround the time of of Peydidi, you know, the
Peydidi case.
I said, fuck you.
You Peydidi references.
The whole entire crowd just start cracking uplike like, bro.
And then on and underneath the bread, I stillgave him a fucking potato for, like I said,
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doing butt stuff to me.
When we said no butt stuff, like, both.
You know?
Like, god.
I got him a receipt for that.
But we we're cool now.
You know?
No no bad blood, literally.
Mhmm.
And the number one, you know, least favoriteweapon to take is, like, I already said
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thumbtacks.
Right?
Okay.
Yes.
I guess we're on two I've yet taken a a firespot because fire spots are super, super,
super, super unpredictable.
No one knows how to put out fire.
People forget how to to stop, drop, and roll,and then people bring kerosene, gasoline.
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No.
There's no way.
Like, just bring regular alcohol you buy atWalgreens or whatever the fuck.
And with a simple touch of your hand, it's it'sout.
Yeah.
What's with the kerosene, gasoline?
We're not trying to light each other on firehere.
Yeah.
Like, I'm I've seen the I've seen some workersgo through it.
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I'm like, no.
This is I mean, I'm I'm down willing to do it,but I I mean, y'all have, like, the water hose,
a fucking the OSHA fucking fire extinguisherready, which, by the way, not all fire
extinguishers are the same, but that's adifferent story.
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But, yeah, fire spots are, like, my leastfavorite to take because they're super
unpredictable.
Yeah.
That definitely seems like that would be themost unpredictable thing you could do is get
put through fire.
Literally.
So I guess next what's the biggest match you'vedone?
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Match, like, of my career?
Yeah.
What's the biggest match of your career so far,would you say?
I'm very, very glad you asked that one.
Because let me tell you this, and I still can'tbelieve I'm I literally was I was toe to toe
face to face with the with her v, the the finalboss of death match wrestling himself, Necro
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Fucking Butcher.
You were you faced Necro Butcher.
Yeah.
Dylan Dylan Summers, aka aka Necro Butcher.
Holy shit.
That guy, his the first thing they told me whenwe were in the back, I'm like, you you know I'm
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trying to imitate Netra as much as you know,back in Mexico, these hands, I used to call
them.
I'm like and let me tell you, them stone hands,they were stone hands.
Like, he knocked me the fuck out.
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And that was probably the best KO I ever had inmy life.
He's such a sweet guy.
He's not a he's not a dick.
Literally, one of the most down to earth deathmatch workers ever that I work with and
probably in the whole scene.
Everyone in the death match teams love him.
By the way, shout to Dylan.
I love you, man.
I hope you can see this.
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Your homeboy praising me from Laredo, Texas.
I love you, Dylan.
Love you, brother.
Like I said, 13 year old me will not believelike, if I would have a time machine right now
and go back, like, over a decade from now,like, over ten years ago, and tell my 13 year
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old self and, like, hey.
Hey, bro.
Stop what you're doing.
Stop what you're doing.
Whatever you're doing right now, keep doing itbecause in in in year in down the future,
you're gonna be in the same fucking ring withwith the legendary necro butcher.
And now probably 13 year old me will finallyshit a brick.
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I'm living my dream.
Man, I know what you mean.
That would be like if 13 year old me was told,hey.
You're going to be interviewing independentwrestlers from all over America here soon.
He'll probably shed a brick too.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely.
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I'm glad to see that you are living yourdreams.
So, like, I guess, out of not out of thematches you've seen, but, like, what's your
favorite one that you've watched?
You know?
Doesn't have to be anything big.
Could be independent.
Anything.
Like, all my all time favorites?
Yeah.
Like, other than my okay from Oh, damn.
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That's a that's a very toughy one.
That's a very toughy one.
I will narrow it down to, like, okay.
Here's like, this is not a top five.
This is literally right on top of my headbecause this this this legend this death match
legend meets a Lucha Lille legend, which, bythe way, this guy also did hardcore in his in
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some stint back in Mexico.
I'm talking about the LA park, Adolfo Tapia.
By the way.
It was him, LA park versus Masada in the in theLucha Extema back in Reynosa, I think it was
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2014, 2015, like, over ten years ago.
LA Park faced Masada.
Toughest sons of bitches in the business.
Let me tell you that.
Wow.
It's a must.
Literally, my two passions, my death matchwrestling and Mexican Lucha Libre just collide.
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It was beautiful.
Like, none of them look weak at all.
Like, the, like, the heat was there.
You know?
Like, Masada's a good worker.
Shout out to Masada.
You know?
You've seen this.
He's an amazing worker.
He can't work regular matches, but he prefersdoing death matches.
And like I said, Tapia, you know, LA Park, he'sdone it all.
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He's been in Japan and Mexico, Latin America,North America, kinda everywhere.
He's a he's a global phenomenon, literally.
Yeah.
I believe he's even done some shows in Africanpromotions too.
I mean, literally hit every continent that youcan for wrestling.
He's done it all.
Literally done it all.
One of my top matches and also another one Ican really get on top of my head right now was
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of Junkasai versus right.
Ito in the in the death match in freedoms.
And it combines it combines the the the strongstyle of Porro of Japanese Porro.
So, you know, Japanese strong style with thetechnical wrestling and and also the way the
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weapons were used because a lot because I gottasay, I don't wanna bash certain certain
workers, but I think there's a trend,especially in those, you know, certain niche
groups online.
If you know, you know.
I'm not gonna drop name drop them.
But there's this thing called hack and slash,which is just basically web weapons and using
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other sort of weapons.
No rattling or no wrestling moves.
Just straight up hack and slash.
You know?
An example, that is was no hack and slashdamage.
Ryuichi versus Jun Kazai at Freedom's.
02/2008, 2000 Just gotta have it the link.
And, also, a recent one was that XPW XPW DrakeYounger versus Idol Boy.
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Man.
I and also to Drake Younger.
A big shout out to him.
Both amazing workers.
They brought the technical wrestling.
Like, the match was perfect, but sadly, IdolBoy slash his like, the the paper cut from
hell.
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Like, literally right from here, he showed meNo.
The story.
Like, the worst paper cut ever.
He's almost sliced the entire finger off, hesaid.
They had to cut it short, but it was and a lotof even a lot of wrestling articles were were
promoting this match because it was so damngood.
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It was, I think, 2022, 2023.
I don't work for this Drake young DrakeYounger.
Like I said, this is not top five.
This is, like, matches that gained on top of myhead are, like, my favorites.
I can watch over and over and over and over andover and over again that I could not get bored
of.
Recommended.
Truly recommended matches everyone shouldwatch.
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If you're into Mexican lucha or or death matchwrestling, it's a combination of both.
Another and there's a lot of the matches youguys should watch, honestly.
And for me, I recommend Crazy Maine if you likejust hardcore and extreme.
Oh, like, my matches?
Yeah.
What you do.
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I mean, like, it's not all, like, just purehardcore.
There's real wrestling, real technical skill.
Oh, yeah.
I work some regular matches here and therebecause, you know, some some promoters still
warn me despite I'm a death match guy.
But sometimes I like to prove the haters thatCrazy Maine does know how to wrestle.
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Like, okay.
From the top, death match wise death deathmatch wise, watch Crazy Maine versus Alexander
Blackwater, hardcore versus twenty twenty four.
My my fine for now, my one of my all timefavorite matches I've worked and probably the
most perfect, like, chef's kiss.
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Yeah.
I mean, honestly, you probably got the funniestspot of your career there with that line.
Like, the two year check.
The the butt stuff and then the receive after.
Yeah.
The receipt probably gave you the funniest lineI've heard from Death Match Wrestling.
But and then for regular lucha libre, youshould see the my match between me and
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Insomnia.
Like, we worked a really good match.
It's a very fun match to watch too.
Yeah.
Insomnia, he he he's a is a is a he's a greatman.
He he has a good head on his shoulders,literally, invariably.
If you Insomnia, please.
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He's a he's an awesome worker.
Should be booked more.
So have you worked any since you're right onthe border, have you worked any matches in
Mexico before?
I want to work Mexico, but, preferably sinceCan we pause this a bit?
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Yeah.
Is everything alright?
I just need to move somewhere else.
You know?
Yeah.
That's alright.
Let me look.
Just give me five minutes.
I know you can pause it somewhere.
Yeah.
I can pause the recording I'm about to.
Oh, man.
And we're back.
We're back.
We're back.
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Hiccups there, but we're right back to where wewere.
Yeah.
Technical difficulties, y'all.
There's always gotta be some.
Right?
Yeah.
Literally.
Well, I mean, I guess I don't remember where wewere at with the last question.
Do you?
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Oh, yeah.
About the about regular oh, matches that ifI've been getting bookings out of the country,
like Mexico, Canada, Japan.
Well, going back to, you know, Mexico, I itdon't you know, take it with a big grain of
salt, but you might see Crazy Maine soon inMexico, mostly Noradelta, Malipas, winter
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twenty twenty five.
So keep an eye out on my socials, which I'llput probably underneath the I'll I'll send them
to Google here.
You know what I'm saying?
To our host, you know, my socials, my Facebook,
and And those will all be linked down below
Mhmm.
When
it drops.
So that'll be your first work in Mexico if thisgoes through.
(37:46):
Right?
Yeah.
Winter twenty twenty five, which is, like,three months time.
Hell yeah, homie.
Whoop whoop.
Much calm love for you there, man.
You got this.
Thanks, bro.
Thank you.
And, also, speaking of, you know, working outcountry, your boy, one of my all time goals as
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a as a talent, as a worker, is to be booked inJapan.
And I don't have to go over.
I think I I slightly, you know, state this, butwe I don't have to go over since I I'm in the
show.
I'm in the I'm being booked in Japan.
To me, that's enough because I made it.
You know what I'm saying?
Exactly.
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Like, that I mean, you can't ask for anythingbetter.
That's honestly my dream is to go one year, getbooked for my music in Japan in April or
something.
You know?
Hope it comes true as well, brother.
I pray.
I pray.
Is
there a specific promotion you want to book youfor a match when you go to Japan?
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There's three in my mind.
Freedoms because of Jack, which, by the way,Jack.
Vic, he's very over over there in Japan,especially in freedoms.
He's I think he's he's he's still held in thefreedoms championship over there.
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You know, he's he's basically right hand atthis point.
Other than freedoms, BJW, and, of course,Sakura Toshiyoki's promotion.
Don't quote me on that because I know of hispromotion, but he's been promoting it on on his
media and socials.
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DIE, Deathmatch International Entertainment,which also Bill Under Jack has worked on.
And that's the one I was waiting.
I knew you were gonna say DeathmatchInternational.
I knew it.
Oh, it's that promotion you wanna get booked.
I knew you were gonna say it.
I was just I was like, what when is he gonnasay it?
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Like, it's in a new up and coming, you know,death match promotion in Japan.
Yeah.
Someone sent it to me actually when they foundout that one of my friends down in Texas said,
oh, you're watching Crazy Maine matches?
When he called me, he was like, here.
Check this out.
And earlier, seen some some clips he sent me.
Well, it's like I said, I noticed a lot ofpeople told me that like like I said, it's the
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antics I do in the ring, not just my, you know,my hardcore death match shit, but also the
stuff I say or the stuff Yeah.
I sometimes do.
Just the personality, man.
I mean, you got a unique personality that Ihave not seen with other wrestlers really.
And, like, your antics, they really do alignwith that, which you don't see a lot when
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people do antics.
It doesn't really align with the personality oftheir character.
Yeah.
You
found a way to do both.
Yeah.
Literally.
And it's usually stuff that it's on the fly.
It's not planned.
It just happens.
You know?
It's a lot of stuff I say or or or on myantics, it's literally on the fly.
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You know?
That's why I'm unpredictable in matches.
You know?
Which, by the way and I think a lot of peopletouch this subject matter, and I think and I'm
gonna go into insider terms and stuff.
So of and I noticed because a lot of peoplekinda, like, back away from the deathmatch
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scene or hardcore scene.
This kid, which like I like I said, shout outto Marcus Ray, he was gonna work with me in a
deathmatch.
And, previously, I told him, hey.
You want some color.
Like, you wanna get some good blood, like,color?
I show him a gossip plate.
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But on Messenger, I'm like, this is a gossipplate.
These will will hurt, but will get you goodcolor.
Put it on the skin, and it'll stick.
Just a little chop, and it'll start tricklingdown or even on the four like, I've seen all
types of spots.
I'll do it.
I'm like, fuck.
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Yeah.
Okay.
Day of the show.
I show him my gauze plate.
He looks at it, like, closely.
I widen wide as an egg, and he he just lookedat me.
That's that I'm gonna take that.
Well, yeah, you said you want to take a gossipplate spot unless you want me to.
He just stayed quiet, and he just went to acorner.
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Probably looks scarier in person.
He he started to have a panic attack.
And I'm like, yo.
Some of his bots started to work on him, youknow, to get out of him.
Like, hey.
I mean, we if you don't wanna go through thespot, I'll do it.
You can do that on me.
No worries.
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Like I said, I'm not a I'm not an asshole.
I'll work with you, and I'll make it look likea billion bucks, which, by the way, I can make
anyone almost like a billion bucks.
I'll sell the fuck out of anything you throw atme.
I'll I'll push Shawn Michaels if I have to.
If you know, you know.
Oh my god.
But not that type of selling, though.
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But like I said, I'll make anyone I'm I'm not aI'm not an asshole.
I'm not I'm talking now.
You know?
And that's a shoot.
It's a I'm not a I'm not an asshole.
I'll work with you.
I'm like, hey.
I'm gonna you see this?
I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking gonna give you thisgossip plate on your on your on your on your
(43:45):
right shoulder or right hand or even yourforehead.
Like, this is how it's gonna go.
Like, I had to if I had to explain it, I'llexplain it.
I don't wanna, like, say names or bring downworkers, but there are certain workers that
they'll just take business business forthemselves and not, you know, not let your
(44:08):
opponent know about what is I mean, it stuffhappens.
Sometimes it's on the fly.
Like, we improvise.
But at the end of the day, it's we have to makethis show go on with the work of both or even
more of us workers to make a good show for thefor the fans.
You know?
Yeah.
And I mean What's
(44:28):
techie show?
Yeah.
I know a lot of, like, the show not going on.
Like, when I interviewed Demarcus Rashad a fewdays ago or, like, a week ago, he was telling
me how there are people, like, where his matchwhere he's been booked, and they've had to
cancel his match because people won't fight himbecause his character he's crazy, and they
don't think it's not a character.
Oh, yeah.
My homeboy Demarcus.
(44:49):
He has quoted yeah.
He he's not crazy.
It's just that he has the he's literally andplease quote me on this.
He is the the Texas New Jack with a bit ofBrian Pilman spill into him.
What's crazy is I just saw him say that on apost.
He said that himself in our interview, and Ifeel it feel it when I see his matches.
(45:12):
That's
I he took that from me because, you know,outside the ring, like, we were talking like,
bro, like, I know you got the blessing fromyou, Jack, before he passed away, by the way,
Rasizi.
Yeah.
Rasizi.
Jack.
You got the blessing from him before he passedaway.
But the Brian Pilman shit, I gave you thatnickname because you kinda go on a tangent or
(45:39):
like, you do stuff that like I said, it'suncanny.
Get it uncanny.
The uncanny is a remarkable shot.
Mean, that's why you get some names.
Right?
He's he's a Texas news job with a bit of BrianPillman spilling on it.
Yeah.
And he really does show it when he goes in.
His promotion his promo skills are next level.
(46:02):
Absolutely next level.
I mean, even during, like, with the last LenGarrett match when something you never want to
happen happened, you know, He was still able tostay in character, grab that mic, and promo for
a good while.
Yeah.
Keep the
ball going in between matches.
(46:23):
Yeah.
I believe that.
But like I said, if for anyone that's workedme, I might be crazy and in a bit of, you know,
a loony, a goof.
Let's be real.
I'm a goof, like, in and out of the ring.
I'm talking now, like, the person behindCrazyMane, the the character.
(46:46):
I'm a goof in and out of the ring.
That's why it goes back to me saying my antics.
The stuff I say during my matches or the stuffI do during my matches.
It's you.
It's just you with a mask.
Literally.
Like, at times, if it's Crazy Maine, the personbehind the the the mask or or the behind the
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mask is crazy, man.
Like, there's a bin of of of blurred linesbetween the character and the person behind the
mask.
You know?
And I take and a lot of I I wanna go on alittle tangent right now, but I think American
audiences don't really understand the anonymityof the of the Lucha adore mask.
(47:35):
It's like how can I explain when I explain tosomeone, like, that's not fair with Lucha
Libre, I explain it like, it's like Bruce Wayneand Batman?
You don't see them in the same place.
Bruce Wayne's not out there saying, I'm Batman.
I'm like, no.
It's a secret.
Like, it's a it's a second life.
(47:58):
And and let me tell you, I was I have a shoejob.
Like, I have I have this job, and then I havemy other regular nine to five shoe job, which,
you know
Yeah.
And that's something like me here, like, withthe name difference.
I get it.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, I have a second life, especially when itcomes to my, let's put it, partners, you know,
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the ones I get intimate with.
They they sometimes they know.
Sometimes they figure it out through my voice.
Like and then and I told them, no.
I'm not.
I don't know him.
Just
say no.
He's my cousin if they figure it out from thevoice.
Like, I tell you, sometimes it's a strugglewhen it comes to my, you know, partners.
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Well, that's a different story.
It's the Well,
I guess one question I really like to ask,who's your Mount Rushmore for wrestlers?
Your top four.
Your Mount Rushmore.
You know?
Mm-mm.
Mount Rushmore.
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Of wrestling or tough match wrestling?
Whatever you choose.
How about just overall wrestling?
Death match guys, normal guys, anything.
Oh, okay.
Here we go.
Just for wrestling wrestling, it's thefollowing.
The Mount Rushmore, it how many are in theMount Rushmore?
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Five or six?
I forgot.
Four.
Oh, four.
Oh my god.
My social studies teacher would be so upset.
No.
I said six, and it was supposed to be four.
Oh my god.
Miss miss Martinez is gonna be so upset.
I'm so sorry.
Anyways, my top word, like, you know, the facesof, you know, the rash Mount Rushmore
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wrestling.
One, Ric Flair?
Two, like, can it be, like, worldwide or justthe West?
It can be it can be anyone from anywhere.
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LA Park, Antonio Inoki.
By the way, And finally, the fourth would beoh, this is gonna be a very, very, very, very
hard one to narrow down.
But, like, like, modern wrestling, it's WillOspreay.
(50:50):
And I literally stated by Aaron's What
was that?
Will Ospreay.
Yeah.
I heard I can't argue with that one, man.
He's amazing.
Like I said, I have you noticed I mentionedthem by arrows?
Yeah.
And, like I said, wrestling wrestling.
And okay.
Now let's go with the death match.
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And I'm gonna name them, like, the whole globe,not just the West.
Some say the West.
I'm saying the the, like, the the East side ofthe world, like, globally.
Yeah.
Think Necro Butcher Necro Butcher, Mick Foley,Terry Funk, Juncasai, and nobody else.
(51:38):
No.
All great choices and rest in peace to TerryFunk there.
Wow.
That is I mean, you really do know greatwrestling and great wrestlers, and you know
what you're doing.
Well, before I let you go, is there anythingyou wanna tell everybody or anything, or is
(51:59):
there anything
you want me
to say?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
This is, like, my five minutes of inspirationfrom yeah.
My noise, the light was so bad here.
Why y'all didn't tell me?
Well, never mind.
Look.
That's better lighting for your homeboy.
For any everyone that's out there, especiallyfor the newcomers, the the green guys or the
(52:25):
people the the boys that are trying to get intothe business, either if it's death match or
regular wrestling, whatever, it's I like tosay, like I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm not fearless.
I still have fear whenever I go to a match, butI still do it because I have courage.
(52:47):
Let me tell you something.
One of my favorite cartoons of all time iscourage the cowardly dog.
If if you're a nineties, 2,000 kids, I thinkyou you know that show.
In that show, for the people that don't knowabout courage the cowardly dog, it's basically
a show about a a scary cat dog, ironically,scary cat dog that faces monsters, ghosts, and
(53:11):
protects his beloved owner Murray Muriel fromall those monsters, and he's always scared
shitless.
And yet, he still gets the job done and stillsaves the day, still saves Muriel.
Even though he's shitting his pants, he's stillshitting a brick.
I still go out there and wrestle.
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Even I was shitting I was shitting a a brickwhen I was facing Necro Butcher.
But why I still do it?
Not because I really love it and I'm kindastupid.
Because I have courage.
Even when if you're scared for everyone that'sout there, even if if you're scared, just just
do it.
Even if it scares you.
Because by the end of it, whatever doesn't killyou makes you stronger or more stupid.
(54:01):
Yeah.
And and almost before we go off, I wanna dropmy socials below.
It's at crazy main nine five six in Facebook.
And for my Instagram, for all the, you know,the new kids because, apparently, the new kids
love Instagram more than Facebook because yourhomeboy, Crazy Maine, is already unk and still
(54:24):
uses Facebook.
My IG is also Tracy Maine, all low caps,altogether, Tracy Maine nine five six on my
Instagram.
I'll I'll put I'll send you the links below.
And on that, I'm very glad to be on Beyond theBell.
It it was been it was an honor.
(54:44):
It was it was an honor being here, and and,hopefully, maybe we could have a part two or
whatever.
You know?
It was an honor to interview you, and I reallyhope we can bring you back for a part two.
Yeah.
Because I got lots of stories to tell.
Lots.
Yeah.
Only Right now, it's a it's already eight.
(55:06):
Well, central time, it's 8PM as we'rerecording.
And they as we're speaking speaking ofbookings, one of my messages, if I they want me
for a booking literally right now for areplacement.
And let's just say your homeboy is gonna proveprove everyone that I can still wrestle without
(55:26):
death match.
You know?
There's no way.
I was just thinking what if like, before westart, what if you got a booking during the
show?
And you got one during our last couple minuteshere.
So I'm gonna let you go so you can do that.
Yeah.
Thanks, bro.
And like I said, I'll send you my my socials mylinks to my socials so you can place them below
(55:47):
if need be.
And like I said, stay updated to with mysocials, y'all.
Your homeboy, Tracy Main, the nine five sixdeath max sensation.
Real hardcore nine five six juggalo shit.
Oh.
You
guys don't wanna miss what he has going on.
(56:07):
You guys definitely don't wanna miss anothermatch.
I'm happy to have you on.
Whoop whoop.
Much clown, love.
I'll hopefully see you next time.
Fuck yeah.
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