January 22, 2025 • 20 mins
Bubba Startz introduces Shirley Meyer, who provides an in-depth look at the Convention of States, its goals, and the amendment process. They discuss the importance of educating the public and the challenges faced, including timelines and addressing misinformation. Shirley shares insights on how individuals can get involved in the movement. The episode wraps up with Bubba expressing appreciation for Shirley's contributions and a closing sponsor message.
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The following program is part of the PatriotBroadcasting Project brought to you by the
scene projects podcast network.
In the South Dakota Patriot Broadcasting.
Broadcasting.
I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
And with me today, we have Shirley Meyer.
She's the state director of the convention ofstates for South Dakota.
Welcome to the show, Shirley.
Well, thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
Well, it's great to catch up with you on this,the last day of 2024, moving into a new year,
an exciting, time for our political, movement,the patriot movement.
I I know we have a lot of new legislators.
We've been talking to a lot of them, but youcome from a different angle and a whole
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different thing.
So before we get into what the convention ofstate states is, why don't you give us a little
bit of your background, and then we'll talkabout more about COS.
Well, I'm a lifelong resident of South Dakota.
I am also a veteran.
I served in the military.
I'm, I worked and I'm retired.
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I retired from the post office.
I after federal service, put in probably aboutfifty, fifty some years, and then I retired.
And when I retired, I decided what I wanted todo with my time.
So I checked in different organizations, and Icame across convention of states, and I checked
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into it.
And so then I volunteered, and I've been withconvention of states ever since.
That's amazing.
So you've spent your entire life, in service toyour country, whether that's in military
service or or for the post office, which Ithink a lot of us tend to take for granted
these days.
The the, you know and and maybe less so aroundthe holidays when when the packages are getting
(01:50):
delivered, and we remember what a service ittruly is, to have that.
Incredible.
An incredible life that you've lived and now inretirement, you're serving in a volunteer
status as the director?
That is correct.
I am not paid.
I am a volunteer.
Everything I do and the products and that thatI hand out and stuff, I pay for myself.
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So
Well, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
So what are, you know, what is the conventionof states, and then what do you do, in the
state of South Dakota to, I guess, further thelarger agenda?
Okay.
Basically, what we are, we are a nonprofitvolunteer organization that came together in
(02:35):
2013, actually, with Mark Meckler, who was theoriginal founder of the Tea Party, and then he
left it.
And him and Michael Farris, who is theconstitutional attorney who went to all 50
states and got home suing approved, they cametogether and they formed the Convention of
States.
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Basically, what it is under article five of theconstitution, there's only two ways to make
amendments to the constitution.
Congress in Washington or your statelegislators, if they pass the same resolution
in 34 states, they can call a convention forproposing amendments.
(03:20):
We have a resolution that has three subjectmatters.
Reign in the power and scope of the federalgovernment, bring the power back to the states
where under the constitution, all but 17enumerated powers belong to the states, bring
that back, and term limits on congress andother officials in Washington, and then make
(03:43):
them physically responsible, like a balancedbudget.
They can't just print and spend and print andspend like they're doing now.
We are so far in debt in that.
And so that is what our resolution is about.
We are volunteers.
We volunteer our time.
We are out there trying to educate the public,educate legislators, and a lot of legislators,
(04:09):
they've got their hands so full.
They have so many things coming to them.
They cannot be knowledgeable about everything.
So we're trying to educate them as to whatarticle five under the constitution is.
And we have volunteers.
We get into fairs.
We get into parades.
We do educational meetings.
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We inform people and educate people.
So mostly what you're doing, at this point inthe organization's history is awareness and
education because most people don't know whatarticle five of the constitution is or says.
That that is correct.
That is or they just read it, and they don'ttotally read the second half of article five,
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which is for proposing amendments.
You're not changing the constitution.
You're not rewriting.
You're just proposing amendments, and there's abig process that has to go to before an
amendment can be made.
So this is the long way around to propose somekind of accountability for the bureau crats and
(05:16):
our our other elected officials in WashingtonDC.
That is correct.
And it's the only constitutional way to do itand make it permanent.
They can do executive orders and all thisstuff, but those are only temporary.
They're Band Aids.
A next part person comes in.
They can just erase everything they've done.
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This is the original permanent way to makechanges that can't be changed unless you call
another convention in order to do it.
And the whole process, it takes a lot.
Do you want me to explain the process?
I would love you to, Shirley.
Okay.
What you do is when you have passed the sameresolution in 34 states, then the state
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legislators are the ones who pick thedelegates, and they give them their commission,
telling them what they can do and what theycannot do.
And then they send them to the place where theconvention goes.
One state, one vote.
When it comes time to vote, they break up intocommittees, and ours would probably be three
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committees because ours has three subjectmatters, they would come up with amendments
that they all agree on.
It could come up with two.
They could come up with 15.
I do not know.
But once they come together in a committee andthey agree on the wording and that of each
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amendment, in order for it to come out of thatconvention, each amendment has to be approved
by 26 states.
Once they come out, then they go to the statesfor ratification.
Each amendment has to be ratified by 38 statesin order to become part of the constitution.
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If anywhere along that process and that theytry to change the wording of the amendments or
anything else, it makes them null and void, Andthey have to accept them as they were.
If they don't like it, then they just discardit.
That is the process.
It's a high bar, and it takes a while.
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Well and we're talking, you know, possiblyseveral election cycles, especially for, you
know, smaller representatives, staterepresentatives rolling over, every two years.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
And that is true.
So there is a a small window sometimes, ofthese movements, like this populist movement
that we're living in right now, where youactually have a chance to deliver on some of
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these promises of the constitution and toaffect some real change in the bloated and
increasingly swampy Washington DC.
That is correct.
And that's the only and that unless congressand Washington makes those changes, they're not
going to do it.
They're going to, you know, just do a Band Aidon it, and then the next person comes in, and
(08:27):
they do their way.
That's what we've have now and we've beenhaving for the last twenty, twenty five, thirty
years.
So this this this is kind of the the people andthe the state, legislations, you know, and on
all of the different state legislations, thisis our power to try and wrestle some of that
back from this bloated, you know, federalgovernment that we have now.
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That is correct.
And it's the only constitutional way that, youknow, someone can't come in and do it because
it's part of the constitution, and theconstitution is the law of the land.
And there are people who will say, well, theydon't obey the constitution now anyway.
That is not true.
People don't realize that, basically, we liveunder two different constitutions.
(09:17):
We live under the constitution that ourfounding fathers gave us, depending upon which
pamphlet you do.
It's about 39 pages.
They're very simple, very easy.
But the one that congress goes by andWashington goes by is this big one that's about
4,000 pages long, about four inches thick, andit's what?
(09:40):
The supreme court and other decisions have madeand put in there, and it is the constitution,
the one that goes by.
Some of them are not lawful.
And that we wanna break that up and bring itpower back to the states where it belong, like
education.
That is a state right.
(10:01):
But the states have given up their power.
So they have this big bureaucracy inWashington.
States send money to Washington for education.
Washington says, okay.
We'll send it back to you under thesestipulations.
You do this, this, and this, and you teachthis, this, and this.
Otherwise, you're not getting the money.
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That is not the way our founding fathers wantedit.
And there are other things like that that thebig bureaucracies in Washington dictate to the
states.
Give it back to the states where it belongs.
And exactly.
Why why send the money back to be stolen to besent right back to us anyway?
That's right.
The whole thing hasn't made sense, and I thinkthat is a that's a big reason why you had this
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massive populist movement, rise up in 2024.
And and to take, you know, the Republicans totake, you know, the house, the senate, and the
presidency on the national level, and then theswell of republican wins, kind of across the
board in the state legislators as well.
But just new blood.
I think 42 new legislators is what I heard fromfrom our friend Tessa Schwands.
(11:13):
And it it just I think we were ready as asociety, as a culture, as a country.
We were ready for some new ideas.
We were ready for some fresh blood in there tostart affecting some change and, educating
people and educating legislators on the powerthat they hold through article five as to how
we actually get something done instead of justkinda going through the motions.
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That's right.
What are the challenges facing the conventionsof states moving into 2025, and what are the,
you know, what are the obstacles that we'retrying to overcome, you know, in the short
term?
And then, obviously, in the long term, 2026will be another huge election year.
Well, basically, what it is is getting peopleto understand what article five of the
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constitution is.
There's a lot of misinformation out there aboutit.
The main one is, well, you're you're going torewrite our constitution.
That is not true.
If you read article five, you it's veryexplicit.
It says, and that basically congress can do it,or you're calling a convention of states for
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proposing amendments to this constitution.
So you can't do both.
You can't rewrite the constitution then andalso propose amendments to it.
That that's but people don't understand.
The biggest problem is getting people educated,having them read it, and understand what it
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says.
Ignorance.
Ignorance is our biggest obstacle.
And even people saying, you know, somethinglike, well, you're rewriting our there were the
constitution has been rewritten.
Right?
That is true.
Have been rewriting it for two hundred years,you know, two hundred and fifty years coming up
on on it.
You know?
So to to suggest that all of a sudden, youknow, everything's going to be undone is is
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more effacing the facts that it has beenundone, and we're trying to get back to the
original frameworks of the constitution as theywere written.
That is true.
And I'm gonna throw in a another little tidbit,and I don't want it to confuse people.
But they need to understand this.
Washington itself, if it wanted to, if it had agreat desire to, they could rewrite the
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constitution tomorrow if they wanted to.
They're there in Washington because, like Isaid, there's only two ways.
They could call a convention right there inWashington and propose a whole new constitution
and do it if they wanted to, but you and I knowthey're not going to, but they could.
Well, and if they did, I would be terrified ofwhat came out of there.
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That's correct.
Shirley, what what can people do to getinvolved?
Obviously, I'm sure you have a very largevolunteer network.
Why don't you, have a website where people cankind of find out more information on their own
and begin to, put some action into theirdesires.
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Yeah.
You can go to www.conventionofstates.com, andthere's a lot of material there.
And we also have a university where we trainpeople.
There are four courses that are free.
All you have to do is sign the petition andsign in and take those courses.
They they're online and that and you caneducate yourself there.
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You can go and volunteer.
There are different many volunteer positionsthat you can have in that if you would like to,
but we do require people to be educated andthat if they volunteer in for a big role in
that.
And learn more about us.
You can call me if you want.
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Go on our website.
My address and phone number is there, or I cangive it to you now.
And call me.
I'll talk to you.
I'll talk to, you know, anybody who wants toknow about convention states when we have
things, and that will be at fairs and stuffagain.
If I'm out in fear, talk to me.
I'll tell you everything that I know, which andthat.
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So
Well, that's great, Shirley.
I appreciate you taking some time for us today.
I've already, gained a lot of of newinformation from this and a little bit of an
education.
We are happy to help in any way that we can toget some more of this information out to the
people.
And, yeah, we have events, throughout the year,and we would love for you to come and to share
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more of of, you know, your story and, and moreinformation about the convention of states and
what we can do as regular everyday citizens tohave an effect on our lives.
Mhmm.
To to put it quite bluntly.
And one one of the best things that people cando is in their district, if they believe in
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convention of states and they know about us,talk to their legislators.
They have three of them in each district.
Talk to their legislators.
Have their legislators support us in that.
And if they if they're against us, ask them whyand, you know, inform them.
That communication and education is the biggestthings is informing people and getting them
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educated.
And you just kinda hit on the the focus of whatSouth Dakota patriot broadcasting is.
It's not necessarily a left or a right.
We're we're trying our best not to lean one wayor the other, but to present information,
present, some really interesting conversations.
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And then hopefully in the future, we can startto get some people with opposing viewpoints to
kind of hash these things out and to come to aa real consensus instead of just doing this
oscillation that we have back and forthbetween, you know, left and right.
And we see now in today's current politicalclimate that you you only do that so long
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before the waves tip all the way left and allthe way right, and then you end up flipping
upside down, and you don't know who's who orwhat's what anymore.
And True.
And that's exactly the time when you needsomething like this, a convention of states,
and and more of the people who are out hereevery single day living in this country, to
speak up and to share their experience.
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And and that is the basis of what podcasting isin general.
I have five or six other shows that I host aswell, and that's all it is.
Getting out our our own human experiences, ourindividual human experiences, and see where we
relate to the other people around us and inthis country and in this world.
So I appreciate you coming on and sharing alittle bit of your experience today, and, I
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look forward to, getting a little bit more ofan education on the convention of states.
Oh, that's fantastic, and I appreciate youhaving me.
And, I mean, there's a lot of other things Icould say and talk about that I would love to.
So
Well, and maybe we can have a a more regularsegment where we come on and have a little bit
more of a plan for what we wanna talk about,and we'll make a whole series out of this,
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Shirley.
I would love to do that with you.
Oh, that would be great.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'd appreciate that very much.
Well, thank you so much for being a part of theshow today, Shirley.
K.
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The following program is part of the PatriotBroadcasting Project brought to you by the
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In the South Dakota Patriot Broadcasting.
Broadcasting.
I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
And with me today, we have Shirley Meyer.
She's the state director of the convention ofstates for South Dakota.
Welcome to the show, Shirley.
Well, thank you.
(00:21):
Thank you for having me.
Well, it's great to catch up with you on this,the last day of 2024, moving into a new year,
an exciting, time for our political, movement,the patriot movement.
I I know we have a lot of new legislators.
We've been talking to a lot of them, but youcome from a different angle and a whole
(00:43):
different thing.
So before we get into what the convention ofstate states is, why don't you give us a little
bit of your background, and then we'll talkabout more about COS.
Well, I'm a lifelong resident of South Dakota.
I am also a veteran.
I served in the military.
I'm, I worked and I'm retired.
(01:06):
I retired from the post office.
I after federal service, put in probably aboutfifty, fifty some years, and then I retired.
And when I retired, I decided what I wanted todo with my time.
So I checked in different organizations, and Icame across convention of states, and I checked
(01:26):
into it.
And so then I volunteered, and I've been withconvention of states ever since.
That's amazing.
So you've spent your entire life, in service toyour country, whether that's in military
service or or for the post office, which Ithink a lot of us tend to take for granted
these days.
The the, you know and and maybe less so aroundthe holidays when when the packages are getting
(01:50):
delivered, and we remember what a service ittruly is, to have that.
Incredible.
An incredible life that you've lived and now inretirement, you're serving in a volunteer
status as the director?
That is correct.
I am not paid.
I am a volunteer.
Everything I do and the products and that thatI hand out and stuff, I pay for myself.
(02:12):
So
Well, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
So what are, you know, what is the conventionof states, and then what do you do, in the
state of South Dakota to, I guess, further thelarger agenda?
Okay.
Basically, what we are, we are a nonprofitvolunteer organization that came together in
(02:35):
2013, actually, with Mark Meckler, who was theoriginal founder of the Tea Party, and then he
left it.
And him and Michael Farris, who is theconstitutional attorney who went to all 50
states and got home suing approved, they cametogether and they formed the Convention of
States.
(02:56):
Basically, what it is under article five of theconstitution, there's only two ways to make
amendments to the constitution.
Congress in Washington or your statelegislators, if they pass the same resolution
in 34 states, they can call a convention forproposing amendments.
(03:20):
We have a resolution that has three subjectmatters.
Reign in the power and scope of the federalgovernment, bring the power back to the states
where under the constitution, all but 17enumerated powers belong to the states, bring
that back, and term limits on congress andother officials in Washington, and then make
(03:43):
them physically responsible, like a balancedbudget.
They can't just print and spend and print andspend like they're doing now.
We are so far in debt in that.
And so that is what our resolution is about.
We are volunteers.
We volunteer our time.
We are out there trying to educate the public,educate legislators, and a lot of legislators,
(04:09):
they've got their hands so full.
They have so many things coming to them.
They cannot be knowledgeable about everything.
So we're trying to educate them as to whatarticle five under the constitution is.
And we have volunteers.
We get into fairs.
We get into parades.
We do educational meetings.
(04:31):
We inform people and educate people.
So mostly what you're doing, at this point inthe organization's history is awareness and
education because most people don't know whatarticle five of the constitution is or says.
That that is correct.
That is or they just read it, and they don'ttotally read the second half of article five,
(04:55):
which is for proposing amendments.
You're not changing the constitution.
You're not rewriting.
You're just proposing amendments, and there's abig process that has to go to before an
amendment can be made.
So this is the long way around to propose somekind of accountability for the bureau crats and
(05:16):
our our other elected officials in WashingtonDC.
That is correct.
And it's the only constitutional way to do itand make it permanent.
They can do executive orders and all thisstuff, but those are only temporary.
They're Band Aids.
A next part person comes in.
They can just erase everything they've done.
(05:37):
This is the original permanent way to makechanges that can't be changed unless you call
another convention in order to do it.
And the whole process, it takes a lot.
Do you want me to explain the process?
I would love you to, Shirley.
Okay.
What you do is when you have passed the sameresolution in 34 states, then the state
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legislators are the ones who pick thedelegates, and they give them their commission,
telling them what they can do and what theycannot do.
And then they send them to the place where theconvention goes.
One state, one vote.
When it comes time to vote, they break up intocommittees, and ours would probably be three
(06:29):
committees because ours has three subjectmatters, they would come up with amendments
that they all agree on.
It could come up with two.
They could come up with 15.
I do not know.
But once they come together in a committee andthey agree on the wording and that of each
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amendment, in order for it to come out of thatconvention, each amendment has to be approved
by 26 states.
Once they come out, then they go to the statesfor ratification.
Each amendment has to be ratified by 38 statesin order to become part of the constitution.
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If anywhere along that process and that theytry to change the wording of the amendments or
anything else, it makes them null and void, Andthey have to accept them as they were.
If they don't like it, then they just discardit.
That is the process.
It's a high bar, and it takes a while.
(07:39):
Well and we're talking, you know, possiblyseveral election cycles, especially for, you
know, smaller representatives, staterepresentatives rolling over, every two years.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
And that is true.
So there is a a small window sometimes, ofthese movements, like this populist movement
that we're living in right now, where youactually have a chance to deliver on some of
(08:03):
these promises of the constitution and toaffect some real change in the bloated and
increasingly swampy Washington DC.
That is correct.
And that's the only and that unless congressand Washington makes those changes, they're not
going to do it.
They're going to, you know, just do a Band Aidon it, and then the next person comes in, and
(08:27):
they do their way.
That's what we've have now and we've beenhaving for the last twenty, twenty five, thirty
years.
So this this this is kind of the the people andthe the state, legislations, you know, and on
all of the different state legislations, thisis our power to try and wrestle some of that
back from this bloated, you know, federalgovernment that we have now.
(08:53):
That is correct.
And it's the only constitutional way that, youknow, someone can't come in and do it because
it's part of the constitution, and theconstitution is the law of the land.
And there are people who will say, well, theydon't obey the constitution now anyway.
That is not true.
People don't realize that, basically, we liveunder two different constitutions.
(09:17):
We live under the constitution that ourfounding fathers gave us, depending upon which
pamphlet you do.
It's about 39 pages.
They're very simple, very easy.
But the one that congress goes by andWashington goes by is this big one that's about
4,000 pages long, about four inches thick, andit's what?
(09:40):
The supreme court and other decisions have madeand put in there, and it is the constitution,
the one that goes by.
Some of them are not lawful.
And that we wanna break that up and bring itpower back to the states where it belong, like
education.
That is a state right.
(10:01):
But the states have given up their power.
So they have this big bureaucracy inWashington.
States send money to Washington for education.
Washington says, okay.
We'll send it back to you under thesestipulations.
You do this, this, and this, and you teachthis, this, and this.
Otherwise, you're not getting the money.
(10:22):
That is not the way our founding fathers wantedit.
And there are other things like that that thebig bureaucracies in Washington dictate to the
states.
Give it back to the states where it belongs.
And exactly.
Why why send the money back to be stolen to besent right back to us anyway?
That's right.
The whole thing hasn't made sense, and I thinkthat is a that's a big reason why you had this
(10:47):
massive populist movement, rise up in 2024.
And and to take, you know, the Republicans totake, you know, the house, the senate, and the
presidency on the national level, and then theswell of republican wins, kind of across the
board in the state legislators as well.
But just new blood.
I think 42 new legislators is what I heard fromfrom our friend Tessa Schwands.
(11:13):
And it it just I think we were ready as asociety, as a culture, as a country.
We were ready for some new ideas.
We were ready for some fresh blood in there tostart affecting some change and, educating
people and educating legislators on the powerthat they hold through article five as to how
we actually get something done instead of justkinda going through the motions.
(11:35):
That's right.
What are the challenges facing the conventionsof states moving into 2025, and what are the,
you know, what are the obstacles that we'retrying to overcome, you know, in the short
term?
And then, obviously, in the long term, 2026will be another huge election year.
Well, basically, what it is is getting peopleto understand what article five of the
(12:00):
constitution is.
There's a lot of misinformation out there aboutit.
The main one is, well, you're you're going torewrite our constitution.
That is not true.
If you read article five, you it's veryexplicit.
It says, and that basically congress can do it,or you're calling a convention of states for
(12:24):
proposing amendments to this constitution.
So you can't do both.
You can't rewrite the constitution then andalso propose amendments to it.
That that's but people don't understand.
The biggest problem is getting people educated,having them read it, and understand what it
(12:46):
says.
Ignorance.
Ignorance is our biggest obstacle.
And even people saying, you know, somethinglike, well, you're rewriting our there were the
constitution has been rewritten.
Right?
That is true.
Have been rewriting it for two hundred years,you know, two hundred and fifty years coming up
on on it.
You know?
So to to suggest that all of a sudden, youknow, everything's going to be undone is is
(13:12):
more effacing the facts that it has beenundone, and we're trying to get back to the
original frameworks of the constitution as theywere written.
That is true.
And I'm gonna throw in a another little tidbit,and I don't want it to confuse people.
But they need to understand this.
Washington itself, if it wanted to, if it had agreat desire to, they could rewrite the
(13:34):
constitution tomorrow if they wanted to.
They're there in Washington because, like Isaid, there's only two ways.
They could call a convention right there inWashington and propose a whole new constitution
and do it if they wanted to, but you and I knowthey're not going to, but they could.
Well, and if they did, I would be terrified ofwhat came out of there.
(13:55):
That's correct.
Shirley, what what can people do to getinvolved?
Obviously, I'm sure you have a very largevolunteer network.
Why don't you, have a website where people cankind of find out more information on their own
and begin to, put some action into theirdesires.
(14:15):
Yeah.
You can go to www.conventionofstates.com, andthere's a lot of material there.
And we also have a university where we trainpeople.
There are four courses that are free.
All you have to do is sign the petition andsign in and take those courses.
They they're online and that and you caneducate yourself there.
(14:39):
You can go and volunteer.
There are different many volunteer positionsthat you can have in that if you would like to,
but we do require people to be educated andthat if they volunteer in for a big role in
that.
And learn more about us.
You can call me if you want.
(15:00):
Go on our website.
My address and phone number is there, or I cangive it to you now.
And call me.
I'll talk to you.
I'll talk to, you know, anybody who wants toknow about convention states when we have
things, and that will be at fairs and stuffagain.
If I'm out in fear, talk to me.
I'll tell you everything that I know, which andthat.
(15:22):
So
Well, that's great, Shirley.
I appreciate you taking some time for us today.
I've already, gained a lot of of newinformation from this and a little bit of an
education.
We are happy to help in any way that we can toget some more of this information out to the
people.
And, yeah, we have events, throughout the year,and we would love for you to come and to share
(15:43):
more of of, you know, your story and, and moreinformation about the convention of states and
what we can do as regular everyday citizens tohave an effect on our lives.
Mhmm.
To to put it quite bluntly.
And one one of the best things that people cando is in their district, if they believe in
(16:05):
convention of states and they know about us,talk to their legislators.
They have three of them in each district.
Talk to their legislators.
Have their legislators support us in that.
And if they if they're against us, ask them whyand, you know, inform them.
That communication and education is the biggestthings is informing people and getting them
(16:27):
educated.
And you just kinda hit on the the focus of whatSouth Dakota patriot broadcasting is.
It's not necessarily a left or a right.
We're we're trying our best not to lean one wayor the other, but to present information,
present, some really interesting conversations.
(16:48):
And then hopefully in the future, we can startto get some people with opposing viewpoints to
kind of hash these things out and to come to aa real consensus instead of just doing this
oscillation that we have back and forthbetween, you know, left and right.
And we see now in today's current politicalclimate that you you only do that so long
(17:09):
before the waves tip all the way left and allthe way right, and then you end up flipping
upside down, and you don't know who's who orwhat's what anymore.
And True.
And that's exactly the time when you needsomething like this, a convention of states,
and and more of the people who are out hereevery single day living in this country, to
speak up and to share their experience.
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And and that is the basis of what podcasting isin general.
I have five or six other shows that I host aswell, and that's all it is.
Getting out our our own human experiences, ourindividual human experiences, and see where we
relate to the other people around us and inthis country and in this world.
So I appreciate you coming on and sharing alittle bit of your experience today, and, I
(17:52):
look forward to, getting a little bit more ofan education on the convention of states.
Oh, that's fantastic, and I appreciate youhaving me.
And, I mean, there's a lot of other things Icould say and talk about that I would love to.
So
Well, and maybe we can have a a more regularsegment where we come on and have a little bit
more of a plan for what we wanna talk about,and we'll make a whole series out of this,
(18:14):
Shirley.
I would love to do that with you.
Oh, that would be great.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'd appreciate that very much.
Well, thank you so much for being a part of theshow today, Shirley.
K.
Thank you for having me, and I appreciate youto doing this.
Thank you for tuning in to South Dakota PatriotBroadcasting.
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