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September 30, 2024 30 mins
Wondering what to expect at a national or state conference? Listen to this episode in which the wonderful Judy LoBianco, former SHAPE President, shares her insights regarding what to expect at conferences and how to plan for your attendance. Other things to consider, including possible funding to attend, are also discussed. Judy LoBianco is the President of HPE Solutions and spent most of her career as a Supervisor of Health and PE. She’s presented countless keynotes and workshops and has been recognized at the state and national levels. You can reach Judy at her email address: hpesolutions2019@gmail.com or follow her on Twitter at @jlobianc Remember to watch this episode on the School Health Educator’s YouTube channel at: https://youtu.be/_E6C2f0OfF8 Contact Lori Reichel by emailing her at schoolhealtheducators@gmail.com or check out her websites at: www.schoolhealtheducators.org and www.lorireichel.com. Also, check out her products at this link: https://www.lorireichel.com/books-cards/
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(00:00):
Hi, and welcome to the School health educators
podcast
where we discuss health education and how to
best teach Health ed in the K wealth
setting.

(00:24):
Hello, and welcome to the School Health Educators
podcast.
On your host, Lori R.
Today's
episode is going to focus on what you
can expect by going to current conferences.
And to help me out, I've asked the
wonderful
energetic,
Judy Lo to join me. Good morning, Judy.

(00:45):
How are you today?
I'm, Laurie. I am great. How are you?
I'm doing great. Thank you for being here,
and I really look forward to this conversation.
Because I
didn't understand the energy of going to conferences
and what to expect until I actually went

(01:05):
to 1. It's certainly a way of life
for many of us, and, you know, it's...
Sometimes it gets addictive. Right? And and at
funny how once you're in it, you can't
believe that people have never gone before. Right?
Yeah. So that's cool stuff. I'm, I'm really
excited to talk about it today.
Well, do you mind giving us a little
bit of your background, tell us who you

(01:25):
are.
Sure. Hi, everyone on Judy Lo and currently
I'm the president and Ceo
of Hpe solutions consulting, but have had a
long and wonderful career
as a high school health and physical educator
in South Orange Maple schools Columbia high school.
I was a supervisor of health and physical
education and nursing for the district from most

(01:45):
of my career, and you might have seen
me popping around with my volunteer antics as
the president of New Jersey A, and the
president of Shape America just over in 2018
19. So,
I've been really thrilled to be a leader
in our profession and a content expert, a
supervisor, curriculum developer,
and all around enthusiasts around health and Pe.

(02:08):
Thank you for all the service you've done
for the field. But you're very welcome.
How did you start going to conferences?
Well, you know, before I got on with
you, I did the math
And I've been going to conferences for exactly
35 years,
because it started in college. Right? And I
went to a fantastic university

(02:30):
who run the gate, Mont claire State was
always about
being the very best leader you can be
in your field a especially in teaching. So
when I was 19 years old, I got
the chance to go to my first conference
because there was an expectation there, that you
were going to seek out growth from the
very beginning. So

(02:51):
I started going when I was 19
which was 35 years ago this year, and
it's... It is a habit that I formed
that is a way of life for me
at this point.
So even 35 years ago as a student,
you must have felt some kind of comfort
level
like a higher 1 to then return to

(03:12):
conferences.
Is that correct? Sure. Sure. Sure. Because because
of the benefits that it gives you.
You...
The conference will only give you as much
as you are open to get. Right?
And as a supervisor I can tell you
that I've sent people to conferences who have
gotten nothing out of them, and sent people
to conferences who wanna go each and every

(03:32):
year.
And and it's a mindset.
And the mindset is a very important 1.
It's a mindset of growth.
And when you get out of college,
I always thought this. When you get out
of college,
your learning doesn't end. And in order for
you to be on the cutting edge of
our profession, particularly in health education, where we
be are saving the lives of children and

(03:53):
you know, delivering matter of life and death
content.
I want teachers who are gonna be students
of their profession for life. Right? And
the conferences help us do that.
Yeah.
And I know we talked before we start
a recording about how
current school health educators are skill based in
which a lot of us were not trained

(04:14):
in that way, so going to a conference
If you look at what's being provided before
you go, you'll see that usually there'll be
a lot of sessions for how to strengthen
your curriculum to be more skill based.
Right? Yeah. Absolutely Right. And and when you
go a conference and you know that you
have a weakness in a particular area because

(04:35):
that's the most humbling thing a teacher can
do. You know, it's... I would love to
go to every activity session and Pe at
a conference.
And I do do that, but I like
to balance my conferences in the things that
I am most humble about around needing to
know. Right?
So we've got new national standards out there,
and I wanna learn as much as I
can about those standards and become a student

(04:56):
of those standards, and that's where I am
in my career, but I also present and
do those kinds of things. I think it's
really important that when you're a participant in
a attendee,
you're humble about what you wanna learn and
bring back to the classroom in order for
you to get better because, ultimately,
that's gonna serve your children.
Yeah.

(05:17):
Now if you don't mind, I'd like to
share how I started going to conferences. Please.
I know when I was in programs and
even when I started teaching, I couldn't necessarily
afford to go to a conference.
So I didn't go to them. I know
other people could,
I paid for my own education. I started
financially, you know, having an apartment and stuff,
yet

(05:38):
when I became a health coordinator,
I was told by my administrator, you know,
what you can go to conferences. We do
have that money
to go. And I do any of you
listening in when you're hired in a school
district
inquire
if you're allowed or if you're allotted a
certain amount of money per year to go
to a conference, because that's 1 way to

(05:59):
go. I didn't know that existed
until I'd became a health coordinator.
And so
my administrators, like, why don't you go to
the state conference. So I went to 1
in New York State,
and I I felt the energy. I met
Dom Sp,
Sal Chi.
If I'm saying his name correctly. I'm sorry.

(06:20):
Says I didn't
and I love the energy, and then I
went to some sessions where I was like,
oh, this seems a little outdated. This is
what I'm doing because I was skill based
earlier in my career, and so the next
year, I put in present.
And I think I had a hundred 50.
Oh, no. My first year presenting. I I
had 5 people in my presentation. I was

(06:42):
given 1 of the challenging slots of Friday
morning first first, like, 08:00 session. Yeah. And
the New York State teacher the year was
there, as well as Sal and Dah, and
that's I got even more involved. So even
if you go to a conference. There's only
a few people in a session, they may
be the people that are going to really

(07:03):
help you go to future conferences, but also
strengthen your skills
and help you present conferences. Because I think
my
the third time I've gone to a New
York State conference, and the second time I
presented, I had over a hundred 50 people
in my session.
So
and 2,
becoming a health coordinator,

(07:24):
they then told me about the funding.
So look into that, And you can always
find a roommate too, if you go on
the Facebook and you put in, like, New
York State,
and I'm looking for a roommate. You might
be able to save some money in that
way. And you bring up a good point
about the funding.
I'm not sure that, newer teachers would be
aware that federal funding law offers something called

(07:47):
Title 2. In every school district in America.
Right? This is the new
Education Act that says entitled 2, that money
is allocated for teacher professional developments, not just
math or science teachers, all teachers.
So if you're thinking that your district doesn't
have funding, just let your supervisor a principal
know what about Title 2 funding, wouldn't that

(08:08):
be able to help me to get to
the conference?
I love that you say that. I love
that because the other thing is, school districts
might say, well, we have funding for S
seo,
Well, here's the secret That shouldn't be a
secret. Health education. That's really what we are.
Sc sci. We just didn't
market ourselves in that way. And I know

(08:28):
Mary con on the Eastern coast. She would
be like, yeah. We're Seo. We we train
people in that way. So
It's so I I love that. And talk
to your administrators about title 2. Right? That's
what you said. Title 2.
Now, what you consider are the top things
educators will get for going to a conference.
Right? Well, number 1 is to enhance your

(08:50):
practice?
I... I've been,
you know, been told I say this all
the time, but It it never,
gets old that if you're teaching, and you
talk... Teach the same way you do every
year, and it's the same content and in
insta structural strategies for 20 years, You don't
have 20 years experience. You have 1 year
experience, repeated 19 times. And the danger there

(09:13):
is that our children are still 10 years
old and 15 years old, and they need
you to be on the cutting edge.
So the number 1 thing is to get
out there and see what the current trend
in a health and physical education are. The
changes I have seen in the 35 years
I've been in the profession have been immense.
And necessary. And we have evolved as a

(09:35):
profession and teachers need to evolve with those
practices. Right? And those trends. So The number
1 thing is to get in there and
find out what's happening,
the best serves your kids in the classroom.
That's number 1.
Number 2, I would say the ability to
be re
energized in your practice. Right? There is something

(09:56):
to be said that is pal.
About being around hundreds of people who have
the same level of passion for what we
do and for the children we teach. Right?
You might go into a, a school district
where you're the most passionate and enthusiastic person
around you, and all of your colleagues may
be flat, and you know, tired. You go

(10:16):
to a conference and all of a sudden,
you realize there are people like me out
here, and I can bring that enthusiasm back
to my school. And rein
the department and rein our colleagues and bring
to them the current practices that can help
their teaching. Right? Because we're gonna do this.
We've gotta take the profession back from the
ground up with the champions who are out
there learning as much as they can. So,

(10:38):
that would be the second thing. And then
I would say,
And before you continue, if I can add
on to that, out so many health educators,
they're
1 of maybe 1 person for health ed,
maybe there's 2, and they don't see that
person regularly.
So going to a conference you get to
meet more of your own, like, hey. You

(11:00):
also... You have no 1 to speak with.
So why do we connect share our cell
phones, 1 don't we,
cell phone numbers, and we can keep in
contact to support 1 another or join a
Facebook group
because you don't have to be in a
silo.
Right? And that was my number 3, the
networking. The connections that you make that are
forever. Right? The people that I've worked... That

(11:21):
I've met over 35 years who are friends
all over the country.
And and know when I started teaching, there
was no social media. So
that became a little harder. But now it's
like,
you see these people once a year. It's
like a big family reunion. At the state
level at the national level, And in between,
you get to share practice. Right? And it's
in real time. Right? My third period tenth

(11:44):
grade class, bombs
I can get on social media and say,
how would you have done this differently? Do
you have a resource for me? Because I'm
teaching this again in 3 periods since somebody
help me and and moments it's right there.
So,
I think at conferences serve as those wonderful
things to be able to help us, you
know, push the needle forward on the professions.
It's Cool stuff.

(12:05):
Yeah.
But you wanna add anything in about what
to expect when you go to a conference?
Sure. Sure. I... You know, what's interesting...
There's some really good tips that teachers give
right before the National Conference at Shape America.
Things that I never would have thought of
before that I think are Brilliant. Like, bring
a backpack,
have water where you go. Make sure you

(12:27):
put snacks in the backpack.
Because what happens is, you leave your hotel,
you get to the conference venue, and then
you're on the run all day long. Sometimes
not even having time for lunch. Not because
you're in leadership meetings or anything like that.
Yeah. That that's part of it that I
was involved in, but But because you wanna
have these conversations with people, and you wanna

(12:48):
stick around for the speaker right after the
session and you wanna visit the exhibit hall,
It's really important that people pace themselves and
plan out what they're gonna do at the
conference prior to being there. Because it's an
overwhelming experience if you've never done it before.
Right?
So it's...
You can't see and do everything,
and it's really important

(13:10):
to map out how you're gonna spend your
time,
and negotiate that time, however, many days, the
conferences,
And, yes, you'll be upset. You wanna see
2 things that are happening at the same
time, But it's okay to reach out to
the speaker of the session that you didn't
get to go to. They'll happily share their
information.
Oftentimes, there's

(13:30):
proposals that go in, and the powerpoint points
and the resources are something that the speaker
leaves with the convention. Right? So even if
you don't get to see it, you have
access to those materials. It's... I mean, it's
20 24, which means that we we we
are connected in that way. So I would
say don't don't feel bad if there's 2
things happening at once.
Don't underestimate the power of the combos

(13:52):
in the hallway.
Right at the dinner table.
At the happy hour. These are as important
exchanges
as the ones you have in the sessions.
And so after 35 years, you could imagine,
when I was in my twenties, I got...
I went to every session time slot there
was from 8 in the morning till 5
at night. And I I was really working

(14:13):
hard at that. Now from 35 years later,
I like c 4 sessions in 3 days.
But I'm networking,
and I'm speaking to professionals, and I'm talking
to vendors, and I'm learning new things
Because not everything you learn may be in
a session. It might be with the person
that you bump into in the line at
the the lunch table. Right? So

(14:34):
I I think it's really important not to
underestimate those experiences.
I love that. Everything that you said, it's
so true that it... That are my experiences
for sure because I've gone to the state,
and I've lived at different state, so I've
gone to different state
organization conferences.
And then I've gone to
like, the Eastern division,
Eastern District. Yep. Yeah. And then I've gone

(14:57):
to national. And also an international, which is
pretty neat.
I will say as a person who is
presented.
First of all, realize,
we don't get paid to present.
Correct. Usually, I mean, so times when you
volunteer.
So if you're, like, a section president or
something for an organization, you might get some,

(15:20):
a free registration, you might get, like, half
of room or something thing but a lot
of people that present aren't part of the
organization itself. They're a member, but not on
a board or
I'm forgetting what that's called the board or
the executive committee. Second board. Yep. Mh. Yep.
So people are doing this out of the

(15:41):
goodness of their hearts slash profession, you know,
to to share
ideas that have worked for them with their
colleagues.
So please note that. So it's not like
it's
their job that they're there. It's their passion.
And so if you can't go to a
session. You can reach out to presenter yet

(16:02):
something that I found that sometimes I have
to take a breath for as people will
come in and go, oh, I can't stay
for your
presentation, can I just have a hand out?
And
at times, it's like, I need you to
be here to process.
Yeah. Yeah. Because 2, I've note that some
people do teach both health education and physical
education and summer times, and this has happened

(16:23):
in my career, people have grab things
to do them
because they need to do them, but they
don't really teach to them if I can
say it like that. Right. Right. So if
you have somebody that you've approached and say,
well, you can look at what's online through
the conferences website, go for it,
Yep. Yet, there's certain things for you to,
like, experience within the session. Please don't think

(16:46):
you're just gonna get a whole bunch of
stuff that people have worked hours and hours
and hours on.
And if you do have access to their
things, please give them credit.
Please please please. A hundred million percent.
Yeah. A hundred million percent.
So what has been your top experience of
going to account.

(17:06):
That
my top experience...
I mean, I love the Shape america convention.
Don't get me wrong. It... It's it's electric,
and
anybody who is in our profession. She's at
least go once. It's an incredible experience.
But the top experience I had,
was at a conference in Asheville, North Carolina.
It's a gathering of an... I'd feel like

(17:27):
a National Pe institute, way back in the
day.
And about 2 to 300 people go to
that. And and it's a different type of
conference. You know Lori, when you got 2
to 300 people
versus a, know, 4000 people at the National.
It... It's not better or worse. It's just
different. Right? And I went as a supervisor
and I took 1 of my teachers with

(17:48):
me. There's nothing like sitting in a session,
administrator and teacher and learning together. It it's
amazing. And in this 1 particular session, we're
sitting next to each other, and the presenter
introduces this like, mind blowing app for the
iphone, like for the for the your telephone.
And
all at once,
we got so excited together.

(18:10):
That we looked at each other, and we
knew it was a game changing thing, we
just didn't know how. And at the end
of this... But back to the hotel, went
to the pool and talked all about how
we were gonna make this app,
a big thing in our in our department.
I've never been more excited about anything.
Then watching my teacher's eyes pop out. Like,

(18:33):
oh my God. We discovered fire.
You know,
That's it brought me back to being a
young teacher when, you know, you don't realize
how much you don't know until you get
to a conference. Right? Right?
And that was 1 of my top moments
to share with with 1 of my colleagues,
how we can go home and make profession
better because of this thing I didn't know

(18:54):
about. There's nothing like learning a new thing.
No matter how old you are no matter
how long you've been in into profession.
It's just that moment like, okay. I'm humble
what I don't know. It doesn't matter how
long you've been in a profession how much
you lead.
There's always something new to learn, and it's
it's important that we
stay open to that mindset. But that was

(19:14):
my top moment. Me as the supervisor with
this teacher,
I was just looking at each other like,
oh, my goodness.
You must have been such a great supervisor.
I mean, to have that, you have a
positive for energy right now, but I could
imagine that throughout your career and that teachers
that worked with you. We're just like, who
is this person? They they love what we're

(19:36):
doing here.
Yeah. We did have fun, and I was
the yes person. Yes. Wherever you wanna go
we'll fund the money.
Let let's go. I'll, I'll get the money
to send you wherever you wanna go, and
we did get the money We had drinks
and stuff, and it made it very cool.
But but I was somebody who
felt it was very important to support teachers.

(19:57):
And if I was still supervising, I've been
out of it for a while now,
I would really pay close attention to a
post Covid
way to support my teachers. Support
support for teachers right now in this post
Covid world.
It looks different It feels different. We have
to ask questions. We've gotta check On teachers.

(20:19):
And make sure they're taking care of themselves
because if they don't, they can't take care
of kids. Right?
And find ways to help teachers who
are running households and have 3 kids and
they're taking their kids to soccer prep... If
they can't get to a conference and because
they're coaching
Let's find a way to pull them into
the fold around professional development in a way

(20:39):
that meets their needs. Right? If it's not
a workshop conference, what will it be and
how can we help them get there?
Well, before I ask you a last question,
I wanna share quickly my favorite moment from
a conference.
Yeah. And that was when I was New
York state, for the year. It was 2007.
Yet at the same time,

(21:00):
it was really about
the person's theme. It was the... Something about
the wizard of Oz with Sarah Dag
in New York State I was the secretary
for the organization. I was asked to fill
in for someone that I ran, and I
was quiet at the meetings very, very quiet.
And some of my colleagues approached me and
said, you have to be Dorothy at the

(21:20):
conference, and I was like, no. That's Sarah.
This is her theme. She dorothy.
I wanna be the wicked of witch.
So when we had the first presenter, I
don't know if you heard about this. When
we had the first presenter, we had gotten
permission Like, he was the headline for the
first day. We got permission that we could
interrupt Sarah.

(21:42):
So I was dressed as a witch, green
face, long nose, black hair you can recognize
me. And as Sarah, who was very difficult
to throw off because she was always ready
you know, to handle anything
because of her experience.
She was on stage saying, well, come and
blah blah blah, and as she's about to

(22:03):
introduce the speaker,
I come from the back of the audience.
Shouting out, who saved my sister, and I
went through the audience, climbed up onto the
stage and Sarah's like,
and I did this thing like you told
or not to drink it fly. Blah blah
blah. And then some of my colleagues came
out dressed as the scare crow and the

(22:25):
tin man in the lion and they saved
Sarah, and I was looking for her ruby
sneakers that she got mysteriously in the summer.
So it was just a way to get
excited about being present, and nobody knew who
I was, but it was just to add
to the conference because
like you said, you... Like, this was before
Covid, but

(22:46):
before Covid n, especially now after Covid,
we need that energy. We need that that's
fantastic story.
Yeah. How do we... How do we make
things fun?
Lord, by the way, I the New York
State Favorite convention. I had never been in
my whole life until last fall?
What an experience
for your listeners I have to tell you,

(23:06):
1 of the top state conferences
Really, very, very good. Energetic, lots of people,
lots of excitement,
very professionally done
I really enjoyed myself. I really did in
top quality sessions as well. So Yeah. New
York put it on your list everybody.
Thanks for saying that we have Andy Mil
as 1 of our head people to do

(23:27):
a speech, headline.
This is just... He is awesome. Well, Yeah.
Okay. So as we're we're
heading towards the end of our recording today,
would you mind sharing anything else you'd like
to tell
anybody listening in about being a member of
an organization are going to a conference.
Sure. Sure. Sure.

(23:49):
So
I have 2 hats on when I think
about this as the past president of Shape
America,
and as a supervisor of teachers.
I think there's nothing
better you can do for your kids to
than to continue to grow and learn as
a teacher.
Yes, you can do that on your own
in isolation. But it certainly is better

(24:10):
when you are relying on resources and instructional
strategies that are out there that we know
that work
and that have been tested with kids and
are kid approved and
that are working. Right? And and I know
this because in my past,
5 years as a consultant I've been walking
into health classrooms.

(24:30):
And I don't like what I see,
quite honestly, and And the real world isn't
just the people who go to conferences? You
know, when I walk into a classroom and
I ask a child,
what are you learning and why are you
learning it and they can't answer me?
That... That's a dire situation. Right? Yeah. And
so I am calling upon in the efforts
of every professional in the sound of my

(24:51):
voice. To make sure that you
maintain a growth mindset or find your growth
mindset
because teaching and learning is not about you.
It's about those kids. And you being at
the top of your game is extremely
important. And in I'll end the way that
I started with talking about the very unique

(25:11):
position we are in as health educators. Right?
This is life and death work,
and it has to be taken seriously.
And, yes, I got into health education because
I loved how body work, and I loved
the way
the body heals itself and all of these
things, but at the end of the day,
we have got to help kids love themselves
enough to take care of their health.

(25:32):
And that is a tall order. That is
something that we as certified
professionals are in charge of delivery. No other
subject area does that. And so word of
conferences and and webinars and
conferences fit in, it fits in by making
you
well equipped and armed with the knowledge in
the skill you have to help them lead

(25:53):
healthier
more active lives. Right?
I'm putting you in charge of that as
your supervisor. Right?
So please get out there. Know as much
as you can. Learn as much as you
can. Be humble what you don't know and
understand that there's no such thing as the
perfect teacher. No such thing as the perfect
teacher. I'm sorry if I'm insulting anybody, but

(26:14):
it's just the truth. Right? I'm from New
Jersey, New York is in new Jersey and
come like it is. My lloyd?
Yes. We do. That's really important
that each time you enter the classroom, you
try to up your game 1 better than
you did before. And if you don't know
something, that's okay. Go find out. Go find
out.
And remembering why you're there. Remember why you're

(26:35):
there and why a conference
is so important because out it ultimately serves
the children in your care.
I resonate with everything you just said, Judy.
100 percent.
Thank you. And then.
Also.
How can Gi will get in touch with
you?
Can people get in touch with me. So

(26:55):
I I have this cool company? I've been,
you know, running for 5 years? It's been
going pretty well.
And then the website is WWW
dot Hpe solutions LLC dot com.
And my email address is judy at p
solutions l llc dot com.

(27:15):
I've been doing
workshops in New Jersey for quite some time.
And the in the fall, I'll be doing
sessions on the new national health and physical
education standards and making sure that people know
what they are, know who Shape America is.
Understand why these new standards are are really
something to be excited about because they finally
really help us see the whole child, whether

(27:37):
they're on the gym floor or in the
health classroom.
I'm really pushing that skill based health agenda.
So that we can get away from some
of that beer based tactic and health and
and really push the agenda on skill based
health. So,
I'm a consultant. I'm in New Jersey right
now. And we'll be here for another school
year. And
you know, I'm available. If anybody needs a

(27:58):
thing.
You know, this is my post life from
the schools. I retired in 2019
and now I'm doing this, and
I really enjoy going back into the classroom
writing Curriculum I'm talking to teachers,
and and really seeing the lens on the
ground. Right? I'm seeing the good, the bad
and, the ugly in this job.
And

(28:18):
it's really important that we acknowledge,
that although we're excited about the people we
see at conferences, these are the best of
the best. But if you walk into a
typical school on a typical day in a
typical classroom, you might see less motivated teachers,
and we need to talk to them too.
So
I'm really I'm really doing the work of
the ground here and I'm really excited about

(28:38):
doing that.
Well, thank you again for everything that you've
done and are doing for our field.
And I thank you for your time today.
I will make sure that your link for
how to get in touch with you. Your
website is going to be on today's description
as well as reference to your email address.
Well not would make great.

(29:00):
Would you like to say goodbye to our
audience for the day?
I would like to say, how about a
shout for Lori?
I have been at listening to these podcasts,
and the impact you're making, it's a niche
that nobody has. Yeah. I don't know if
you realize this, you know,
not just the Puberty podcast, but the conversations
that we're having as health educators. When when

(29:21):
we are the forgotten side of the world,
you are amplifying that message in a way.
Then I'm just so excited about. So shout
out to you, laurie That's how I wanna
end it, and just thanks for
everything you continue to do to uplift by
the voice of health educators everywhere.
Thank you. Seriously, that that touched my heart.
Thank you so much.

(29:42):
I do this because I do believe in
what we do. I truly do.
So those of you that are listening in,
I do believe in what we do. Thank
you so much for listening
to Judy...
The conversation with Judy today. And remember to
follow this podcast on your favorite podcast platform,
And if you haven't yet check out the
school health educators dot org website. I worked

(30:05):
with
a graduate student to create that last year.
So we're trying to build more and more
resources for you to refer to on that
site, and that's
that's not a business. That's just a resource
site at this point. And also please remember
that you make a difference you matter.
Thank you for doing what you're doing and

(30:25):
stay well folks.
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