January 24, 2025 • 65 mins
Could psychiatry be perpetuating outdated practices, cloaked in modern medicine's guise? We're uncovering the controversial realm of psychiatry and how it stacks up against alternatives like Independent Scientology and Dianetics. Journey with us to the Glore Psychiatric Museum in Missouri, a testament to the bygone era of lobotomies and shock therapy, and hear insights from the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which critique these approaches for their lack of curative power. Our deep dive into the comparison between traditional psychiatric treatments and Dianetics reveals a striking contrast, highlighting the transformative power of sessions that avoid evaluation and invalidation, unlike the temporary relief often found in typical therapy.
Ever wondered how alternative healing modalities like Independent Scientology, chiropractic care, and holistic health are challenging the status quo? We connect the dots between these practices and their focus on energy flows, chiropractic alignment, and even unconventional remedies such as vitamin C and baking soda. These approaches, often dismissed by mainstream medicine, argue for a more integrated understanding of physical and mental health. We'll dissect the influence of industry interests in mainstream treatments, especially in cancer therapies, and weigh in on Louise Hay's pioneering thoughts on mind-body health connections.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everyone and welcome, welcome, welcome.
Welcome to another ScientologyOutside of the Church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 15.
Arthur has the day off.
It's Q and I here today andwe're going to get into one?
We're going to get into one.
Hey everybody, one, we're gonnaget into one.
(00:25):
Hey everybody, we're gonna getinto one.
Uh, about psychiatry andalternative medicine, and this
will be a uh, an interesting one.
We haven't really talked muchabout psychiatry, so, um, where
do you want to start off on thisQ?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, you know, I just think that psychiatry and I
want to make a cleardistinction between psychiatry
and psychology, psychiatry, justfor the sake of this
conversation is anything dealingwith drugging, invasive
practices like shock therapy orlobotomies and things of that
(01:08):
nature.
Those are psychiatric.
Well, yeah, those are allpsychiatric practices.
Dare I say, borderline,torturous, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That barbarisms, yeah , yeah, and that's the.
I mean, you know, these thingsstill go on, these things still
go on, but you don't hear aboutthem unless it's the patient
itself.
Well, I'm going in on Tuesdayto get a lobotomy to handle my
whatever.
And there's a psychiatricmuseum in St Joseph, missouri,
(01:47):
I've never seen.
In all my travels, all mytravels, I've never seen a
psychiatric museum anywhere elsein the United States and it's
called Glore Psychiatric Museum.
Look it up on the internet andthey have all kinds.
I mean, you'd think that youhad gone to england and gone to
(02:08):
one of these, uh, castle slashmuseum places where they have
all these torture uh devices.
I mean it's very yeah it's very,very similar and all the things
that you know this pain drug,hypnosis, or what LRH calls
PDHing, and there's aninteresting video that and I'm
(02:34):
going to make the distinctionhere the Citizens Commission on
Human Rights, cchr, which wasdeveloped, was started by a
friend of mine who,interestingly enough, no longer
is in the church and no longeris in Scientology, and I tried
to tell him about what was goingon in 2004.
And he wouldn't leave thechurch and then I found out in
(02:54):
2019, he was out-out when Italked to him on Facebook.
His name's Kutch is hisnickname.
Anyway, kutch was the guy thatstarted CCHR for the church,
along with Dennis I can'tremember his last name, dennis,
something or other and yeah, soCCHR had this video that they
(03:18):
did and they went andinterviewed a man on the street
type of a thing, a bunch ofpsychiatrists, and it's a great
video because they asked thesepsychiatrists just, you know,
dropped a question on as theywere on the street, look like
new york city and said you know,have you ever cured a patient?
And I think they asked.
In the video that I saw, theyasked like eight or ten of them.
(03:39):
One of them said that theycured a patient out of that
eight or ten, and the rest ofthem laughed and said, no, you
can't cure a patient.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You can't cure them yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You can't cure them.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, there's always treatment, never cure, never
remedy, never healing.
You know, when it comes topsychiatry, the idea is that
something is wrong with thebrain and you guys feel free to
comment down in the commentsbelow, but the idea is that
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something is wrong with thebrain.
And because something is wrongwith the brain, then let's do
something to the brain, whetherit be drugging it, whether it be
chemical lobotomies, whether itbe actual physical lobotomies,
which I don't know if they dothose too much anymore, but
maybe they do.
And then yeah yeah, I think theydo.
(04:34):
Actually still, practice issupposed to be more humane way
than yesteryear.
And then also, too, whether itbe using long-term
(05:02):
antidepressants, antipsychotics,anti-anxiety medications, stuff
like that.
Which all those things do isjust change your neuroreceptors,
change your dopamine levels,change your serotonin levels
artificially, right, and youtherefore, quote unquote, feel
differently because of the wayit affects the brain chemistry.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, and that's the thing is psychiatrists,
psychologists, they don'tunderstand about the
communication cycle.
They don't understand aboutwrong items and outlists and
giving outlists and asking who,what or why questions.
When you ask a who, what or whyquestion if you don't get the
(05:34):
right item, you horriblyre-stimulate the pre-clear, the
patient, and this stirs up ahornet's nest in their case and
this just makes things worse.
And that's the thing is thatthese guys, they don't have a
clue.
Now I'm not saying 100% ofpsychiatrists, 100% of
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psychologists are all bad andthrow the baby out with the
bathwater.
There are some decent people,but when you get into libido
theory and you get into mama andpapa and all that stuff, now
you know there is some validityto your parents having something
to do with the way you behaveand all that stuff.
But it's not the way Freuddescribes it and it's not that
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sex has everything to do with itin the brain.
They've never made adistinction between the body and
the thetan and the mind.
It was that man like we weretalking about right before the
podcast.
Man is an animal and must betreated as an animal.
That's how they look at it andthat's pretty barbaric,
(06:43):
especially in the 21st centuryand you know there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, and it's just categorically not true.
It's categorically not true andit's been proven that there's.
I mean, if you want to even goback evolutionary and da-da-da,
it's proven that we're on awhole different track of
evolution than even some of ourcousins or counterparts.
(07:09):
We're on a whole differenttrack.
And so the truth is, you're notan animal, you are a spiritual
being having a human experience.
You're not your brain, youexist with or without that right
, that piece of tissue, thatpiece of gray matter.
And to deal with that,exclusively or primarily, I
(07:31):
think LRH says it's like, youknow, trying to change the tire
or trying to ask the car next tothe car with the good tire to
change the car with the bad tire, it's like no, the car is not.
That's not.
The mechanical aspect of it isnot the problem.
Is it problematic?
Yes, does it have a functionalissue?
(07:55):
Sure, but that's not the cause.
And so when we look at asScientologists, when we look at
causes, we look at causes as athing to look into and to
correct and to remedy and toheal and to cure.
I'm okay with using that word,and I can tell you some of my
(08:16):
own stories.
When we look at those things.
We look at those things from acausative perspective, not from
a functional perspective, and Ithink that's the difference
between psychiatry and what wedo as Scientologists.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, and they put a tremendous accent on symptoms
instead.
So they're looking at thesymptomatic side.
They don't have anyunderstanding of the causative
side of it, what the source ofthese things are.
And we're looking at almost 100and what, 130 years on and it
(08:59):
hasn't developed to where theycan cure somebody of something,
developed to where they can curesomebody of something.
Now, you know, there are timeswhere somebody goes into
quote-unquote therapy with apsychiatrist and the
psychiatrist has a goodcommunication cycle and can
grant them beingness.
And you know, if I were to say,if I were to say where
psychiatry goes wrong the mostbeyond the symptomatic side, it
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would be violation of theauditor's code, evaluation and
invalidation.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I totally agree.
I totally agree Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, what you should think, what you shouldn't be
doing all this stuff.
Instead of letting the personlook at it from what's true for
them, they're telling them whatto think based off of
symptomatic data.
You were going to say, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, no, I was just going to tell my story as it
relates to my own personalexperience.
Well, no, I was just going totell my story as it relates to
my own personal experience,never having gone to a
psychiatrist although I do havesome psychiatrist clients, which
that's a whole different storypsychologist in Minnesota and
(10:22):
was able to two-way calm methrough a lot and after each
session I felt better, I feltbrighter, I felt seen, I felt
heard All of these wonderfulthings.
This is psychology right,two-way calming therapy, that
kind of thing right Now.
Of course there was a lot ofevaluation and this is what I
(10:44):
think kind of thing that shewould say, but it was good to,
kind of.
I felt good in having thoseconversations.
And so a year later, I go to herfor about a year, have
wonderful sessions with her, anda year later I'm in a 2D
relationship, 2d flow, and we'rejust watching television and
(11:04):
somehow we just started doing alittle tickle fight.
You know, a little tickle fight, and my 2D was like stop, you
play too much.
Like that, you play too muchand that one phrase you play too
much.
My body locked up, my fistballed up into a ball and I
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started.
I covered my face with my fists, like my hand was covering my
face, and I stayed like that forI would say maybe a minute or
so, like what's going on,because I wasn't moving.
(12:07):
And I finally snap out of itand I realized I had kind of
like, went somewhere else, right, I went into a very scared,
dark place, a place that mytherapist, my psychotherapist,
had talked me through and workedme through the issue, and we
went through it and you know,but never cleared it Right.
So it still, it still popped upin me with that one phrase you
play too much, right?
So fast forward, uh, 2006, thatwas like in 2002, between 2003,
2004, 2002, between 2003, 2004.
2006, I'm sitting in aDianetics session with my
(12:29):
co-auditor and we're doing theDianetics co-audit and this same
thing comes up and totallycleared it, totally came up tone
, totally laughing about it andeverything, and it was gone.
It was absolutely gone and hasnever affected me since.
It's been over a decade, nearlya decade, oh don't, I'm sorry,
(12:50):
two decades, jesus.
It's yeah, 2020, 2006 to 2025.
Yeah, it's been 20, 20 yearsand it's never affected me again
.
I say all that for a reason Inone Dianetics session I was able
to you will get gains.
When it's not, will there besome positive aspects of it?
(13:35):
Sure, but it will not stick,not in my lived experience.
It has not stuck.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Just applying the auditor's code to any
conversation.
And again, when I say theauditor's code I'm pigeonholing
it a little bit but noevaluation, no invalidation, and
those things make all thedifference.
Just those two points, and Imean that speaks volumes.
(14:11):
A year to one session, yeah,you just, and that's it's so.
Dianetics, both original bookone the original book and New
Era Dianetics both original bookone the original book and new
era Dianetics are so deceptivelysimple in their methodology.
I mean it's very, very simple.
(14:32):
You find an incident to run inbook one and you run it and you
find all of the earlier engramsand you run it to the basic and
you get the postulate off.
Boom.
Same thing with new areadianetics.
But you're looking at the meteras far as what the tone arm is
doing and if it's up there's anearlier beginning or there's an
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earlier incident.
And then you run them throughit and you get the postulate off
and you get an FN and it.
You know it's that simple.
It's that simple and soonyou're going to be able to do it
with AI, with us.
But we'll talk about that inanother podcast.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, you know.
You know, even looking atpsychiatry from the medication
perspective, you know thesemedications cause fluctuations
in your neurotransmitters, theway you're going back to the
brain, since that's veryimportant in psychiatry the way
your brain moves stimuli andimpulses through itself, right,
(15:38):
it actually affects the way thebrain moves information or these
electrochemicals it tellsthrough the introduction of
body-produced chemicals.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean and this is where the Pavlov thing comes in
the Pavlovian theory is the bodyproduces chemicals to reward or
save the body, fight or flight,flight, that type of a thing.
And when you start messingaround with with, I mean it
would be, it would be likeputting on an added circuit
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board with a computer on it.
That is changing things up.
When you put drugs into a to abody that altered the brain
chemicals in a body and many,many, many, many, many people
say I got off that shit becauseit was really messing with me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't know how many people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've talked to that, have said that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, I used to work at a psychology clinic in
Minnesota and in fact it was thesame clinic where I had my
therapist, and when workingthere we would see people who
were on what they call blacklabel medications, black label
drugs.
A black box, I'm sorry, blackbox, or black label.
Label drugs.
(16:59):
A black box, I'm sorry, blackbox, or black label.
And these drugs, it literallysays on there, can have life
threatening adverse effects.
Right Can cause a person towant to unalive themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Can cause a person to hurt others?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Exactly, yeah, and you could see the difference
when a person wasn't takingtheir meds, and of course, that
would give them validation toput them on more meds, right, or
get them.
You know, let's get you back onyour meds.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We need to up your dosage, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
We need to up your dosage, right.
But what was happening was likethere'll be times that we'll be
literally having a conversationwith the patient and they'll
just stop and we'll be like MrJohnson, you OK, mr Johnson, and
then out of nowhere, it'salmost like they went catatonic
(17:48):
or something and then out ofnowhere they'll come back and
they'll just continue theconversation as if it was normal
.
And again this was theirreasoning for wanting them to
get on more meds.
Right, like, let's medicatethem more heavily.
But you could tell it was thedrugs that was messing with them
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, because before Mr Johnsonwould just be talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking
Johnson would be very different,right.
And so they would have to findand this is another interesting
viewpoint they would have tofind the right chemicals.
(18:30):
We got to find the rightchemicals, or the right
combination of chemicals, or theright whatever to handle how
much your brain ain't producingwhatever.
You know what I mean.
And so it's all kind of likeluck of the draw, figure, figure
, let's, we're gonna find theright balance, we're gonna find
(18:52):
it.
You just gotta give us time.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
meanwhile, this person, you know, can't stay off
a ledge right, yeah, and and Ireally, I really don't think
they have an idea of whatthey're really doing to a person
.
Uh, one for one, these schoolshootings that you see, oh yeah,
these, these kids are on psychdrugs and if you look at the
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profit that these drug producers, the big pharma, at least in
the United States, they'remaking a fortune off of these
people and the misery thathappens and there's no
responsibility taken or anythinglike that.
You know they've signedpatients have signed waivers and
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all that, and it's you'rethrowing the baby out with the
bathwater because there's, itdoesn't help, but it's big, big
money.
And the difference between apsychiatrist and a psychologist
is a psychiatrist can write ascript for whatever it is that
they want to prescribe you.
So psychiatry, no bueno, nobueno.
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And you look at how many peopleare on Adderall and they can't
get off.
It is an epidemic, an epidemic.
They can't get off of Adderall.
There are millions uponmillions of people on Adderall
right now, hundreds of millionsEvery single day, and they need
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it.
Every single day and they needit, and so you know that's big
money too day and they need it,and so you know that's big money
too.
So you have to, you really haveto wonder what's really going
on here.
So you know, to kind of bookendthis whole thing.
Stay away from that sort of athing.
Just do some Dianetics.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, and I'll say this I'll say this because we're
not.
I can speak for myself.
I'm not a psychiatrist, I'venever gone to school for
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psychiatry, gone throughpsychiatric treatment, and
clients of mine who arecurrently in psychiatric
treatment, as in takingmedications, stuff and so on.
So these are people who I amexperiencing these conversations
with, right, and so this is notstuff I just read out of a book
(21:33):
, right?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I was going to say, and every psychiatrist and
yes, we have every psychiatristthat we have had on our lines
that has been interested indoing Dianetics and Scientology
was in rough shape, really roughshape.
As a being themselves, I findthat very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They're looking for help themselves.
I find that very veryinteresting.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're looking for help for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Absolutely, even outside of what they're
currently doing, their currentmedications or whatever,
whatever, which is the reasonwhy Elder H came up with the
purification program, like thepurists, because it was
necessary to get these drugs,whatever drugs they are.
It might not be, it could bestreet drugs, could be whatever,
but it's necessary to get itout of you and to expel these
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drugs in order for you to havestable gains as a being right.
Because your your, your, yourbody, all that stuff is being
impacted by these kinds ofthings Now, and maybe we can
kind of segue into thealternative medicine side of
things, because obviouslythere's a space for some kind of
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help, some kind of support.
When we're talking aboutpsychiatry, we're talking about
the big pharma chemical soupsthat are either put into you,
injected into you or whatever itcould be, and it does stuff to
the brain, it does stuff to thenervous system, it does stuff to
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the digestive system, thesexual, that one's sexual
ability to perform sexually.
All that stuff is a part ofthat whole.
I just call it chemical soup.
Off of that, there arealternative medicines, right,
(23:31):
and it's interesting, they callit alternative when it's really
just natural medicine.
But there's natural medicineand natural processes and things
that one can do to help themout.
Um, what's your take on that?
What is?
What is Scientology?
You know, as independentScientologists, how do we
approach that?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, um, let's, let's take, for example,
chiropractic.
Let's take, for example,chiropractic.
Chiropractic has always beenthe redheaded stepchild of the
quote-unquote medical industry.
I mean, you can be a doctor ofchiropractic and it just blows
(24:17):
my mind how poorly they'relooked at by medical doctors
chiropractors are.
When a chiropractor can adjusta body and make changes that if
the person hadn't gone to achiropractor they would have had
something cut out, cut off, orsomething put in place of what
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was cut out or cut off when itdidn't need to be.
And chiropractic has beenaround for a very, very long
time and it makes so much sensebecause it has to do with energy
flows in the body.
Your body produces energy, itcommunicates with energy.
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And then you know it's a shameArthur isn't here today, but you
know you've got the Kirliantechnology where you can take a
picture of the aura of the bodyand all this stuff.
Lrh talks about this too.
You know, you're an energyproduction unit and flows get
blocked, that sort of thing, andthey have to be reopened.
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And that's why we have thenerve assist, that's why we have
the touch assist.
Yes, there you go the effect ofmental masses that are produced
by the Phaeton on the body thatthen impinge upon the body and
block flows, and this is a keydatum that needs to be
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understood and chiropractichelps with that.
It doesn't necessarily alleviatepermanently, but it's something
that if you start getting itopen, you might go get an
adjustment and you feel a littlebit better in it, but it's not
perfected.
You keep going twice a week,every couple you know for a few
weeks and then that flow isopened.
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Practically every person, everyperson that is born into this
world, is immediately their neckis put out of position by the
doctor who's pulling the babyout of the birth canal.
And you'll go around for 20, 30, 40, 50 years before you know
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that your body is indisalignment because your head
was twisted as you were comingout of the birth canal.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Oh wow, I didn't even think about that as a thing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And a good chiropractor.
Well, that's one of the firstthings they'll check once they
get your paperwork.
Have you ever been to achiropractor before?
It's one of the first thingsthey'll check, because it
affects the blood flow to thebrain and you're like, oh, wait
a minute, he's talking about thebrain.
Hang on, if you're not gettingproper blood flow to the
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switchboard known as the brain,you're going to have a problem.
It's going to make you feelfunky, it's going to alter your
mood, it's going to cause thechemicals that the brain makes
that cause your body to operatenormally.
This is just how this thingworks.
I'm not getting into.
You know I am, but I'm not.
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Your brain's not going tofunction properly if you can't
get enough blood flow to thebrain.
Because the brain needs oxygen,it's dead within five minutes
if it doesn't get the properamount of oxygen to these areas
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handling these areas of thecomposite case that are
affecting and creating masses onthe body.
Okay, so it's no wonder thatyou would have body problems
from the composite case thatchiropractic could fix.
Maybe you need to do it and youjust have to get a tune-up
every couple of weeks.
I know I do, and bodies don'tstay the same.
They change their makeup,changes as you get older and
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you're not getting the rightamount of minerals and nutrients
in the body because you haveplaque, for example,
arteriosclerosis and everything.
And that brings us to are yougetting enough exercise?
Because if you look atScientology axioms, if you don't
use it, you lose it.
If you don't put a create onthe body, the body goes into
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apathy and LRH even says theprimary cause for cancer, the
primary cause for cancer is thebody giving up and going into
apathy.
On the second dynamic, my momdied from breast cancer shortly
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after my dad said no, I don'twant to get back together with
you and it was really importantto her and she gave up.
Body gave up.
There was no game anymore.
And you could look at this asand I'm not saying that the
Scientology doesn't you can'tbecause of the way the medical
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establishment has things set upon this planet, more than
anything, almost exclusively.
You can't say that we curephysical ailments because they
corner the market on that,because it's big, big, big, big
money.
When my mom was in the hospitalfor chemotherapy, $16,000 a bag
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for the chemotherapy, chemicalChemotherapy geez, $16,000.
So it's no wonder that theywant to protect that industry
and they don't want a resolutionto it, because it is the cash
cow of cash cows.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Wait.
So she did chemotherapy.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The doctor suggested she did chemotherapy and it made
her feel so bad and so ill.
She said, john, I can't do thisanymore.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
We tried vitamin C therapy but it was too late and
there are lots of othertherapies outside of the United
States to handle cancer that dowork, and cancer is primarily a
fungus.
It's primarily a fungus and itcan be treated with one of the
cheapest substances known to man.
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And a company you remember,baking soda Arm Hammer.
Yeah, yeah.
Baking soda therapy and this issomething that people have to
go over to Europe to get,because you can't get it in the
United States because it'sillegal.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, that kind of treatment.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's a who benefits kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Totally, totally.
You know it's interestingbecause, even as we can't say,
you know this stuff cures, right, because again, that's illegal
per the FDA.
There's a writer.
Her name is Louise Hay.
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Louise Hay says anything theysay is incurable simply means
curable from within, and shetalks about how you can heal
your life.
That's the name of the book.
You Can Heal your Life.
Anything that they say isincurable simply means curable
from within, and so there's adifferent way of going about it.
(31:41):
They can't cure it right, andso when I let me go back,
because if any FDA folk listento this conversation, I'm not
saying that Scientology cured me.
What I'm saying is, is I curedmyself using me?
What I'm saying is, is I curedmyself using, and I used diet,
(32:02):
exercise, psychology, uh, as apart of my own process of
finding my ability to curemyself, and you can't stop me
from curing me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, that's right, that's right.
And I'm going to go as far asto say this If you do auditing
and you get through and you getto clear and you get up on the
upper end of the bridge, whichwould be from OT3 on, which
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would be from OT3 on, you willbecome uniquely aware of what it
is that is causing the bodyproblems.
And this has to do with thecomposite case.
And the body itself is anamazing, amazing machine, though
it is an impediment to thethetin, it is an amazing machine
(32:52):
that self-regulates andself-cures and a lot of the
stuff, a lot of the problems.
Well, I mean, let's just comedown to it, what Al Wright says
All sickness is potentialtrouble source based okay, and
that comes from suppression.
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But you, you can handle 97, 98%of the body's problems with
getting up the bridge If you doit soon enough and and and you
handle any suppression on yourlines that that type of a thing,
and you handle any suppressionon your lines that type of a
(33:34):
thing.
But it's the thetan that causesthe problem to the body more
often than not, almost one forone that there's something going
on in the mind that isdisposing people to these issues
.
Now, of course, if somebody'sborn with a withered arm or
something like that, well youknow that could be it too.
I mean, we're not octopi andwe're not going to get you to
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grow your arm back or somethinglike that.
I mean, the body can only do somuch.
But a lot of this stuff thatyou see can be handled with
processing and education on howthe mind works, if you want to.
But when you have a societythat is built upon the
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symptomatic side, well, what'sgoing on with you?
Well, it's this or it's this orit's that.
It's still PTS-ness at the endof the day, and so if you get
the suppression off of yourlines, you're going to be in a
lot better shape.
But you've got to get people tobe aware of this in order to do
something about it, and that'spart of the reason why
Scientology was attacked becauseit goes right after the
(34:38):
pocketbooks of this inbuiltsystem of healthcare.
So that's something to takeinto consideration.
You know, should you takeminerals and vitamins?
Yes, you should.
Should you do way more thannecessary?
No, but you know, eat good food.
Don't live in a dirty city.
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Don't get near radiation.
If you can avoid it, which ispretty hard because the whole
planet has radiation on it nowsince we've entered the nuclear
age.
You know, there are lots ofalternative practices that a
person can do.
You know, for example and I'mnot talking about mental yoga,
(35:19):
but yoga is tremendous,tremendous for a person to do.
If you want to get in goodshape and you don't want to go
lift weights, that type of thing, get on a good yoga program, go
take a class and after two orthree weeks of doing that,
you're going to find, you'regoing to find that you go
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exterior.
This stuff works.
This stuff works and and andI'm not, I'm not saying I'm not
saying do yoga to go exterior,I'm just saying that's a side
effect of it, because it's beenaround for so long and it's been
codified so well that it canexercise the body in ways that
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nothing else can and your bodyis in as good a shape as it's
gonna get if you do a reallygood yoga program and not get
into the spiritual side of itand stuff like that.
I don't recommend that.
Your body is in as good a shapeas it's going to get if you do
a really good yoga program, youknow, and not get into the
spiritual side of it and stufflike that.
I don't recommend that.
But it's amazing what thingsare out there.
You know, these naturalremedies, these herbal remedies,
that type of a thing.
(36:25):
When I had staph infection, Iwas taking echinacea, I was
taking colloidal silver.
What was the other one?
Oh, olive leaf extract.
Olive leaf extract is great.
If you feel like you're gettingsick, take a handful of like
five or six capsules of oliveleaf extract three times a day
(36:46):
and take 5,000 units of vitaminC and you'll kick whatever it is
that you've got right in theass with this stuff.
It doesn't take much.
The body doesn't need much tokick these things out.
So you know, that's what I'veobserved, though I've never been
in the hospital once my entirelife, never had my tonsils taken
(37:08):
out, never had gallbladderissues, nothing like that.
But then again, I've been inScientology my whole life, so
maybe that has something to dowith it?
I think that it does.
But anyway, what else do wewant to cover on this?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, I was going to say that there's so many things
that one can do to start to helptheir body.
I'm a huge fan of oregano oil.
I'm also a huge fan of blackseed.
Um um, the prophet, thehonorable Elijah Muhammad, said
that black seed can healeverything, every disease except
death.
Okay, he said every, everydisease except death.
(37:45):
And so you know, like, workingwith black seed, um, you know,
there's just so many wonderful,wonderful things.
Even, I think, scripture, theBible, even says that and the
leaves of the trees were for thecuring of the nations.
Now, that's Bible.
I don't know if the FDA got anyregulation on that, but he says
(38:05):
and the leaves of the trees arefor the curing of the nations.
And so you know, these thingsare meant to help you.
Now there are some things and Iwant to be very clear in what
I'm saying here there are somethings that actually do have
adverse effects on you as well,like marijuana and THC.
Right, thc can have veryadverse effects, even though
(38:26):
it's a natural plant andeverybody says but that's
natural, you said natural, right?
However, thc is a toxin.
So let's be clear on what it is.
Cbd is something different.
Cbd has a lot of for peoplewith epilepsy, for people with
different diagnosis, cbd canhave a lot of benefits.
(38:48):
Again, I'm not a medical, I'mnot a doctor, so do your own
research.
But suffice it to say there'sso many ways that you can get
your body in good shape, bothinternally and externally, if
you so choose.
And then in talking to somebodylike an auditor, and getting in
(39:23):
session and going up the bridgeand handling those things that
need to be handled, those thingsdefinitely have a good service
facsimiles.
Oh my God, I want to talk aboutthat Service facsimiles and
what they do to a person.
What they do to a person.
Now, for those of you who don'tknow, a service facsimile is
basically something that aperson uses to try to make
themselves right, based off anengram Right.
So it's a mechanism based offan engram that they try to use
(39:45):
to make themselves right.
Lrh talks about in one of hislectures about a gentleman who
had ulcers and it was shown tobe a service facsimile.
It was a service facsimile thatwas kicked in and he was going
around with ulcers andeverything and he said he took
amino acids and kept takingamino acids and, by God, one
(40:05):
morning he woke up and he didn'thave ulcers and he said but
that he didn't have his ulcersanymore.
Listen to this that he didn'thave his ulcers anymore.
It worried him sick Veryshortly.
He has night sweats.
So what happens is is that whenyou have these service
facsimiles that are keyed in,that are working constantly on
(40:28):
you, it's going to show up inyour body, it's going to show up
in your skin.
It's going to show up in yourbody.
It's going to show up in yourskin.
It's going to show up in otherways, right, even if you do
something to try to fix thatsymptom hear the words, because
psychiatry deals with a lot ofsymptoms Even if you fix
something that deals with thesymptom, the service facsimile,
that thing that tries to keepyou right, to keep you, quote
(40:50):
unquote in the I need to survive, by God that service facsimile
can kick in something else andtherefore you know.
And then they say oh no, butthose are just the side effects.
Now you constipated, that's theside effect.
Now you can't get an erection,that's a side effect.
Okay, well, you know, know,service facts be service.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Back in yeah, and it's it's, it's what, what the
person uses to aid theirsurvival and hinder that of
others.
And you know why it's the whycan't you do something?
Well, it's because of my painin my zorge I can't do this, and
I mean you know?
How many people are ondisability in the United States,
(41:32):
in the world, are in governmentassistance because they have
disability, a disability.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well now, you hold up on people disability check.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Now, that's people disability check, yeah, and you
know how many people would getmad and say you know you're
cutting off my income, that thatis a service facsimile, that's
it, that's, that's, that's it.
And when they get upset aboutit, you're missing their
(42:00):
withhold.
That they're creating thisthing that they're using to make
themselves right and otherswrong, and that's their physical
disability.
Yeah, I mean, you just look atthat and you go that's insane,
but it is.
And LRH says that the servicefacsimile is a cousin to an evil
purpose.
You're using the reactive mindas a justification, something
(42:23):
that you're putting there andyou're mocking up to have a
physical disability, that thenyou're taking drugs for it that
have side effects.
That makes you more sick andcosts you more money, and then
raises the bottom line and theprofit margins of these big
pharma companies, and so theypush it more on other people.
(42:46):
So all you get is you're justbeefing up and feeding into the
system of making people sick.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's just crazy when it can be handled with
simple auditing it just blows mymind how it's a snake eating
its tail.
So service facsimilesContinuously.
Yeah, service facsimiles abound.
Every person you see ridingaround in walmart.
I'm one of those damnelectrical carts blocking the
aisle sideways and and you can't.
(43:21):
You see I'm sick.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
That's service facts, oh gosh yeah, and let me say
this and you can tell thedifference between a person who
is using this to be right versussomebody who wants to.
You know, like, let's say, aperson who was born with a
certain condition, or a personwho's at their leg or something
like that, or whatever it can be, and they might be in a
(43:43):
wheelchair, but they're like youknow what.
I want to do this myself.
I want to be more able, I wantto be independent, I want to
have my own.
You know my own way about me.
Right, you could tell thatperson is as a different working
, with a different energy, thanthe person of can't.
You see, I'm sick.
You should cater to me and makeme feel good.
You know that kind of thing.
That's a very different energy.
(44:05):
Then you know what I want to dothis.
Let me try it, and if I needsome help I'll ask you.
Right, that's all tone scale.
Yeah, it's a very, verydifferent way of approaching
things.
So, again, none of this is tomake anyone wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
None of this is to make anyone wrong.
What it's basically saying isis that when we look at
psychiatry as a practice, whenwe look at this as a practice,
we see the barbarism, we see thewrong or incorrect estimation
that you are an animal andyou're just a lump of meat in
between your ears, or you'reprimarily composed of that.
(44:42):
We know that you're more thanthat and as Thetans, as a
spiritual being having a humanexperience, you get to
understand that there's acausality to all of this.
There's a causation and if youunderstand how to approach the
causation which in Dianetics hegoes over that extensively If
you understand the causation,you'll understand why this stuff
(45:06):
works.
You'll really get it.
So read Dianetics, modernScience of Mental Health, get
into a course, get yourselfreally hatted on how to help you
and others to remedy the thingsthat might be ailing you, and
just take it from there andcontinue going up the bridge and
(45:27):
see how your life changes forthe better.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, being sick physically or being sick quote
unquote mentally is not normal.
It isn't the way things shouldbe or have to be.
It's abnormal and you don'thave to agree with it.
But on this planet it's justexpecting we don't have, uh,
(45:52):
national health care.
Everybody deserves a right toto have health care and
everything.
Yes, they do.
But the thing is is you don'thave to be sick.
It's not normal to be sickthat's a book.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
The book is called you don't have to be sick, it's
a wonderful book, but uh, jack,jack, don't drop.
Yeah, you don't have to be sick, it's a wonderful book, but
Jack.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Don Throck yeah, you don't have to be sick, and but
that's that.
Well, everybody gets sick, youknow.
And you know the whole COVIDthing and all that stuff, I mean
this, it's.
I mean, just the other day,just the other day, before Biden
left office, he pardonedAnthony Fauci, the poster child
(46:33):
for COVID.
He pardoned Anthony Fauci, theposter child for COVID, he
pardoned him.
What does that tell you?
Except, it was criminal, that'sright.
That's right.
And there was a withhold thereand that whole thing was an
installation of a kill switch.
This is how they're controllingpeople by the billions with
(46:54):
these MNRA, quote-unquotevaccines.
And then I just watched LarryEllison the other day and you
know I'm not a political person,I didn't vote.
I haven't voted since 1992, Ithink since 1992, I think in an
election.
He had Larry Ellison, the CEOof Oracle, up on stage talking
(47:17):
about this $500 billion program,stargate for AI.
And what are they up theretalking about?
Larry's talking about creatingthese MNRA vaccines for cancer.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
What does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Exactly exactly.
So the narrative is still beingpushed on this MNRA vaccine and
AI will help us develop thesemagical drugs that will get rid
of cancer.
And then Elon Musk pipes up,who's practically Trump's
(47:59):
running mate on this whole thing, and he says they don't have
the money.
I know from firsthand sourcesthey don't have this $500
billion to do this.
This is pretty scary, becausethese pharmaceutical companies
are throwing incredible amountsof money, incredible amounts of
(48:22):
money, towards AI to developdrugs that will enslave us all.
This is the first time that'shappened either.
It is here, but not throughouthistory, because if you can
control the body and control thebrain, you control the fate,
and we need to be very, veryvigilant about this, because all
(48:42):
they have to do is the same oldthing they always do, which is
problem reaction solution.
They create a problem, covid,they get you to react and to put
on a mask and all that.
And what do you do?
Well, then they get thesolution they want.
You need to get a vaccine, andthen you need to get five
(49:03):
boosters, you know, and then Idon't know if you've seen this,
I don't know if I sent this toyou or not, but they can control
these graphene particles.
They can control them throughWi-Fi to move things in the
physical universe.
(49:23):
It's the creepiest thing I'veever seen and this is the stuff
that's in the COVID vaccine theycan take.
They can put this graphene on atabletop surface and they can
control it through radio to getit to move objects across the
tabletop.
They can get this graphene tohave two different levels, like
(49:43):
stairs.
Okay, so you've got a lowerlevel and an upper level.
They can get the graphene tothrow part of its constituents
up into the air up onto theother step and, like you've seen
ants how they try and climbsomething yeah right.
They can get the graphene to dothe same thing.
Wow, they can get the grapheneto exit the body with a radio
(50:09):
signal that causes you to bleedout of every orifice on your
body, if they want to.
I'm not.
I'm dead serious about this.
This is the stuff they'reputting in people's bodies with
this, with this COVID stuff,this graphene.
This was all staged and you,you can.
Nicotine helps you get rid ofit.
If you can believe that, isthat true?
(50:32):
Yes, yes, google it.
You might not be able to findit on Google, but you can find
it.
I'm not going to say where, butyou can find it.
I haven't looked for it onGoogle, but nicotine stops it.
Wow, yeah, so this is theplanet that we live on on and
you don't have to be sick.
(50:53):
And when they're installingsomething in your body that
makes you feel sick because youhad to take a vaccine, or your
employer made you take a vaccine, or whatever, you need to
question that, your body and I'msorry to sound hokey.
Your body is the most sacred oftemples you can have and without
it you can't get in session,you can't get anything done, and
(51:14):
you need to protect that bytreating it right, getting it
exercised, getting the rightnutrients.
And there's another thing Ifyou cook your food over a
certain amount of temperature,you're killing all the good guys
in it.
And then you have to takegrapeseed extract to put it in.
If you take a cucumber and youpeel the outside of the cucumber
(51:35):
off, you know, like with apotato peeler, all that's left
in the cucumber, all of thatnutrients cannot be metabolized
by the body because the enzymesare on the outside, in the skin
of the cucumber.
Same goes for a potato.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh, really, yeah, I love potato skin.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, and it's great on fries.
But there's all these tinylittle things that they do in
our society that eliminate thethings that allow you to
metabolize foods properly, andone of them is heating food over
a certain temperature.
Depending on what the food is,it varies and you're killing the
nutrients in the food becauseyou're heating it up, so you're
losing the nutrients, and thenthat forces you to go out and
(52:21):
buy something else or you getsick.
All of this stuff has beeninstituted throughout time
because they knew it was goingon.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Wait.
So what does grapeseed extractdo?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Grapeseed extract allows you to get the nutrients
out of it, even though it's beencooked over a certain
temperature.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Really.
Yeah, there was another one.
You said something about leaf,something leaf, olive, leaf Same
thing Comes from the same.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, olive leaf extract.
It's a sort of looks it almostlooks like.
Well, hey, you know what oliveoil is?
Okay, it's, it's almost exactlythe same compound, but it's
it's great instead it's from theleaf of the.
I mean, I'm looking at themoutside my window here, right
outside of the office.
(53:10):
I've got grapes growing outhere on the vine on the trellis
here, and so you take that andyou turn it into a liquid and
it's a natural antibiotic and itkicks staff's ass.
I mean, it gets rid of viralinfections naturally, naturally,
wow.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'm going to do my research on this.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, look it up and there's tons and tons.
There's a lady on Facebook.
They took her licenses away andimprisoned her and all this
stuff because she's got all ofthese natural remedies.
It's amazing the data that shehas and there's lots of people
out there that have this, but itflies right in the teeth of the
big farmer and the doctors andeverything because and that's
(53:55):
why they went after LRH.
He tried to give them Dianeticsand they were like we're not,
no, we're not going to do thisbecause there's no money in the
cure, there's money in the cup.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Right, and if you really think about it, it makes
sense.
Like when you really readDianetics and definitely when
you use it right, when youactually get in session, you see
the wins, you see the advantage, you see yourself.
You can literally becomeyourself.
Out of the muck and the mire ofyour own aberration and stuff
(54:28):
like that.
You become yourself own.
You know aberration and stufflike that.
You become yourself.
Why wouldn't anybody put theirhands on this, especially if
they were really interested inyou know helping others and
curing people and stuff likethat?
Why would you just dismiss thisout of hand, right, like
there's something behind it?
When they say, oh no, we readthe book but no, we ain't going
to use that one, why, oh no, no,it didn't, it didn't need our
(54:53):
peer-reviewed.
You know other psychiatriststhat sit on a you know ivory
tower, like the.
You know the, the four horsemenof the apocalypse or whatever,
that they didn't say that it wasokay.
And what do you do?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
well, these guys know yeah, these guys know, and and
and everybody listening to thispodcast when your body doesn't
feel good, what are you going toget done?
You're not going to get done awhole hell of a lot because the
body weighs you down and you,you have to take care of it.
You have to put a create on itand and the create that you put
on the body is to the degreethat you're going to feel good.
(55:27):
And LRH says the definition ofa silly optimist is a the, the
degree that you're going to feelgood.
And LRH says the definition ofa silly optimist is a thetan who
thinks they're going to feelgood in the body every day
because it's a hindrance.
That's the difference of asilly optimist A silly optimist,
but it's a hindrance to thedegree that you exercise.
(55:48):
It is to the degree that thebody is keyed out.
You go to the gym, you do someyoga, whatever you go for a run,
ride your bike.
You do this, you're keying thebody out, and you can key the
body out only so much.
But when you key the body outnow, you can key the body out
only so much.
But when you key the body outnow, you have one less thing
holding you back and that's whyyou can't go in session when
(56:10):
you're hungry.
You can't go in session whenyou're tired.
You can't go in session whenyou drank.
You can't go in session whenyou've had drugs, because drugs
key in masses.
Alcohol keys in masses.
Lack of food keys in masses.
Not enough water keys in massesto this body.
You have to have thesefundamental things in Exercise
(56:32):
with the body is key, because ifyou do that, you're going to
feel like you can do more.
You're going to feelextroverted and keyed out to the
degree that you'll do thingsyou wouldn't normally do.
Those things that you normallydo, okay, are the most important
things, but you've got to getthe body out of the way first.
(56:53):
So you have to take care of thebody on the first dynamic.
If you're not happy we didn'tget to mention this the other
day If you're not happy, yourethics are out and you've got to
look at the body as the firstline of defense on that is
you've got to take care of thebody.
Keep it healthy, keep itexercised, move around.
Lrh has got references onexercise, move it, put some
(57:16):
create on it, get it uptoned,because the body wants to be
around.
It won't do it itself.
You have to do it becauseyou're incorporated into it.
It's you know.
Will your dog go for a walk byitself?
No, you have to take a dog outfor the walk.
That's how they get exercise.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Well, they'll go, but you know, they might not come
back.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Right, right, but they might not come back.
But that's the thing is, is ifjust as much as you have to walk
the dog, it's the same thing.
You have to walk the body.
Your body is the dog.
You need to walk Boy oh boy,all right, well, I'm, it just
(58:02):
makes sense because to thedegree that you can key the body
out is to the degree thatyou're going to be able to rise
up above it and get more done,because this is the thing that's
holding you back.
I'm not saying that the body iseverything, but it is an
impediment, it's something thatstops you, and when you're
(58:23):
putting psychiatric drugs in it,especially, or you're not
getting to the chiropractor tokeep the flows going on the body
, I recommend to everybody.
I see, and so many people, ohno, I don't want to go to the
chiropractor, I don't likesomebody else touching me.
(58:47):
So what you're telling me is youdon't like feeling good, you
need to get over that yeah, youknow, and there's something to
be said, and and you will agreewith me on this, there's
something to be said and andgoing and getting a massage oh,
when you listen, I live insoutheast asia, thailand.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Listen, it's the best thing I'm telling you now.
Don't tie massages.
You got to open up those flows.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
That's right, because you're getting a reach and
withdraw on all of these signalsthat are going through the body
.
You're getting in calm, You'regetting into that deep tissue.
You got to do this sort ofthing every now and then you got
to treat yourself, you know.
I mean going and getting afacial okay, I get it, that's
fine.
Getting your nails done, thattype of thing, that's different.
(59:30):
Okay, that's aesthetic.
We're talking about making thebody feel good, so that that the
being feels like moving thebody around, because if you
don't give your car a tune-up,it doesn't run for very long.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
So, as I'm hearing you say this and we can get rid
of the end off, as I'm hearingyou saying this, I'm even
thinking about, like it's notthe same a massage, like a Thai
massage or whatever.
It's not the same as a body,commissus, but you literally
come out.
I was going to say but youliterally come out.
Yeah, I was going to say youcome out.
I had this one Thai lady inChiang Mai, thailand, and this
(01:00:06):
woman would work me and shewould be lifting my leg and she
would be massaging me and I'd belike, oh, and she would just
crack up laughing Because shewas speaking English, but she
knew that she was dealing withsome demons in her body.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah well, and that's the thing is that when you get
the body in communication withitself because it gets so out of
calm and it gets stagnant, youhave to handle that stagnancy by
getting some communication inthere.
And when you've got anotherperson's hands, be it a
chiropractor or being a masseuse, I mean there's nothing,
(01:00:47):
nothing to replace that, to makeyou feel keyed out of the body.
That's the point is, it's notjust we wanna make the body feel
good, we gotta make the thetanfeel good and the body is not a
distraction.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
And then you can get on Right.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, it's a distraction and that's the thing
is, the body becomes the focusof attention.
My sickness, my sickness,service facsimile that type of a
thing.
And so if you feed it right, yousleep it right, you get it
enough nutrients, and I can'tstress how important it is.
Get a good mattress, get goodpillows, talk to your
(01:01:28):
chiropractor, get enough sleep.
If the body doesn't get enoughsleep, there is nothing more,
nothing more that will pull inmass on the body than a lack of
sleep.
Forget about all the otherstuff we've talked about.
If you're not getting enoughsleep, you're not going to be
(01:01:50):
able to do anything else becauseyou're not going to be able to
see the trees for the forest,and everybody is different.
I love these foam mattresses,the really good ones to help you
get a good night's sleep.
Some people need thosechiropractic pillows, some
people need foam pillows thatare just like the beds and stuff
like that.
(01:02:10):
But you've got to look intothis stuff.
These are simple remedies thatallow you to function and get up
the bridge quicker, because itcould be something as simple as
any of the things that we'vetalked about that are preventing
you from rising up and beingable to confront your case.
That's what this comes down to.
That's what it is all aboutwhen you confront your case.
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So food for thought, folks.
We hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and do your due
diligence.
Don't take our word for it.
We're not making any medicalclaims here or anything like
that.
These are things you need tolook into and if you do, you
will love your life better andyou'll be able to key out enough
(01:02:52):
to actually get something doneand rise above planet Earth
suppression.
That's what this comes down to.
I love it.
So we'll see you next week,folks, for another podcast.
Thank you, quentin, for beinghere, namaste, and we love you.
Bye, bye, peace, thank you.
Thank you, thanks for watching.
Hi everyone and welcome, welcome, welcome.
Welcome to another ScientologyOutside of the Church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 15.
Arthur has the day off.
It's Q and I here today andwe're going to get into one?
We're going to get into one.
Hey everybody, one, we're gonnaget into one.
(00:25):
Hey everybody, we're gonna getinto one.
Uh, about psychiatry andalternative medicine, and this
will be a uh, an interesting one.
We haven't really talked muchabout psychiatry, so, um, where
do you want to start off on thisQ?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, you know, I just think that psychiatry and I
want to make a cleardistinction between psychiatry
and psychology, psychiatry, justfor the sake of this
conversation is anything dealingwith drugging, invasive
practices like shock therapy orlobotomies and things of that
(01:08):
nature.
Those are psychiatric.
Well, yeah, those are allpsychiatric practices.
Dare I say, borderline,torturous, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That barbarisms, yeah , yeah, and that's the.
I mean, you know, these thingsstill go on, these things still
go on, but you don't hear aboutthem unless it's the patient
itself.
Well, I'm going in on Tuesdayto get a lobotomy to handle my
whatever.
And there's a psychiatricmuseum in St Joseph, missouri,
(01:47):
I've never seen.
In all my travels, all mytravels, I've never seen a
psychiatric museum anywhere elsein the United States and it's
called Glore Psychiatric Museum.
Look it up on the internet andthey have all kinds.
I mean, you'd think that youhad gone to england and gone to
(02:08):
one of these, uh, castle slashmuseum places where they have
all these torture uh devices.
I mean it's very yeah it's very,very similar and all the things
that you know this pain drug,hypnosis, or what LRH calls
PDHing, and there's aninteresting video that and I'm
(02:34):
going to make the distinctionhere the Citizens Commission on
Human Rights, cchr, which wasdeveloped, was started by a
friend of mine who,interestingly enough, no longer
is in the church and no longeris in Scientology, and I tried
to tell him about what was goingon in 2004.
And he wouldn't leave thechurch and then I found out in
(02:54):
2019, he was out-out when Italked to him on Facebook.
His name's Kutch is hisnickname.
Anyway, kutch was the guy thatstarted CCHR for the church,
along with Dennis I can'tremember his last name, dennis,
something or other and yeah, soCCHR had this video that they
(03:18):
did and they went andinterviewed a man on the street
type of a thing, a bunch ofpsychiatrists, and it's a great
video because they asked thesepsychiatrists just, you know,
dropped a question on as theywere on the street, look like
new york city and said you know,have you ever cured a patient?
And I think they asked.
In the video that I saw, theyasked like eight or ten of them.
(03:39):
One of them said that theycured a patient out of that
eight or ten, and the rest ofthem laughed and said, no, you
can't cure a patient.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You can't cure them yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You can't cure them.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, there's always treatment, never cure, never
remedy, never healing.
You know, when it comes topsychiatry, the idea is that
something is wrong with thebrain and you guys feel free to
comment down in the commentsbelow, but the idea is that
(04:14):
something is wrong with thebrain.
And because something is wrongwith the brain, then let's do
something to the brain, whetherit be drugging it, whether it be
chemical lobotomies, whether itbe actual physical lobotomies,
which I don't know if they dothose too much anymore, but
maybe they do.
And then yeah yeah, I think theydo.
(04:34):
Actually still, practice issupposed to be more humane way
than yesteryear.
And then also, too, whether itbe using long-term
(05:02):
antidepressants, antipsychotics,anti-anxiety medications, stuff
like that.
Which all those things do isjust change your neuroreceptors,
change your dopamine levels,change your serotonin levels
artificially, right, and youtherefore, quote unquote, feel
differently because of the wayit affects the brain chemistry.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, and that's the thing is psychiatrists,
psychologists, they don'tunderstand about the
communication cycle.
They don't understand aboutwrong items and outlists and
giving outlists and asking who,what or why questions.
When you ask a who, what or whyquestion if you don't get the
(05:34):
right item, you horriblyre-stimulate the pre-clear, the
patient, and this stirs up ahornet's nest in their case and
this just makes things worse.
And that's the thing is thatthese guys, they don't have a
clue.
Now I'm not saying 100% ofpsychiatrists, 100% of
(05:57):
psychologists are all bad andthrow the baby out with the
bathwater.
There are some decent people,but when you get into libido
theory and you get into mama andpapa and all that stuff, now
you know there is some validityto your parents having something
to do with the way you behaveand all that stuff.
But it's not the way Freuddescribes it and it's not that
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sex has everything to do with itin the brain.
They've never made adistinction between the body and
the thetan and the mind.
It was that man like we weretalking about right before the
podcast.
Man is an animal and must betreated as an animal.
That's how they look at it andthat's pretty barbaric,
(06:43):
especially in the 21st centuryand you know there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, and it's just categorically not true.
It's categorically not true andit's been proven that there's.
I mean, if you want to even goback evolutionary and da-da-da,
it's proven that we're on awhole different track of
evolution than even some of ourcousins or counterparts.
(07:09):
We're on a whole differenttrack.
And so the truth is, you're notan animal, you are a spiritual
being having a human experience.
You're not your brain, youexist with or without that right
, that piece of tissue, thatpiece of gray matter.
And to deal with that,exclusively or primarily, I
(07:31):
think LRH says it's like, youknow, trying to change the tire
or trying to ask the car next tothe car with the good tire to
change the car with the bad tire, it's like no, the car is not.
That's not.
The mechanical aspect of it isnot the problem.
Is it problematic?
Yes, does it have a functionalissue?
(07:55):
Sure, but that's not the cause.
And so when we look at asScientologists, when we look at
causes, we look at causes as athing to look into and to
correct and to remedy and toheal and to cure.
I'm okay with using that word,and I can tell you some of my
(08:16):
own stories.
When we look at those things.
We look at those things from acausative perspective, not from
a functional perspective, and Ithink that's the difference
between psychiatry and what wedo as Scientologists.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, and they put a tremendous accent on symptoms
instead.
So they're looking at thesymptomatic side.
They don't have anyunderstanding of the causative
side of it, what the source ofthese things are.
And we're looking at almost 100and what, 130 years on and it
(08:59):
hasn't developed to where theycan cure somebody of something,
developed to where they can curesomebody of something.
Now, you know, there are timeswhere somebody goes into
quote-unquote therapy with apsychiatrist and the
psychiatrist has a goodcommunication cycle and can
grant them beingness.
And you know, if I were to say,if I were to say where
psychiatry goes wrong the mostbeyond the symptomatic side, it
(09:25):
would be violation of theauditor's code, evaluation and
invalidation.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I totally agree.
I totally agree Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, what you should think, what you shouldn't be
doing all this stuff.
Instead of letting the personlook at it from what's true for
them, they're telling them whatto think based off of
symptomatic data.
You were going to say, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, no, I was just going to tell my story as it
relates to my own personalexperience.
Well, no, I was just going totell my story as it relates to
my own personal experience,never having gone to a
psychiatrist although I do havesome psychiatrist clients, which
that's a whole different storypsychologist in Minnesota and
(10:22):
was able to two-way calm methrough a lot and after each
session I felt better, I feltbrighter, I felt seen, I felt
heard All of these wonderfulthings.
This is psychology right,two-way calming therapy, that
kind of thing right Now.
Of course there was a lot ofevaluation and this is what I
(10:44):
think kind of thing that shewould say, but it was good to,
kind of.
I felt good in having thoseconversations.
And so a year later, I go to herfor about a year, have
wonderful sessions with her, anda year later I'm in a 2D
relationship, 2d flow, and we'rejust watching television and
(11:04):
somehow we just started doing alittle tickle fight.
You know, a little tickle fight, and my 2D was like stop, you
play too much.
Like that, you play too muchand that one phrase you play too
much.
My body locked up, my fistballed up into a ball and I
(11:26):
started.
I covered my face with my fists, like my hand was covering my
face, and I stayed like that forI would say maybe a minute or
so, like what's going on,because I wasn't moving.
(12:07):
And I finally snap out of itand I realized I had kind of
like, went somewhere else, right, I went into a very scared,
dark place, a place that mytherapist, my psychotherapist,
had talked me through and workedme through the issue, and we
went through it and you know,but never cleared it Right.
So it still, it still popped upin me with that one phrase you
play too much, right?
So fast forward, uh, 2006, thatwas like in 2002, between 2003,
2004, 2002, between 2003, 2004.
2006, I'm sitting in aDianetics session with my
(12:29):
co-auditor and we're doing theDianetics co-audit and this same
thing comes up and totallycleared it, totally came up tone
, totally laughing about it andeverything, and it was gone.
It was absolutely gone and hasnever affected me since.
It's been over a decade, nearlya decade, oh don't, I'm sorry,
(12:50):
two decades, jesus.
It's yeah, 2020, 2006 to 2025.
Yeah, it's been 20, 20 yearsand it's never affected me again
.
I say all that for a reason Inone Dianetics session I was able
to you will get gains.
When it's not, will there besome positive aspects of it?
(13:35):
Sure, but it will not stick,not in my lived experience.
It has not stuck.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Just applying the auditor's code to any
conversation.
And again, when I say theauditor's code I'm pigeonholing
it a little bit but noevaluation, no invalidation, and
those things make all thedifference.
Just those two points, and Imean that speaks volumes.
(14:11):
A year to one session, yeah,you just, and that's it's so.
Dianetics, both original bookone the original book and New
Era Dianetics both original bookone the original book and new
era Dianetics are so deceptivelysimple in their methodology.
I mean it's very, very simple.
(14:32):
You find an incident to run inbook one and you run it and you
find all of the earlier engramsand you run it to the basic and
you get the postulate off.
Boom.
Same thing with new areadianetics.
But you're looking at the meteras far as what the tone arm is
doing and if it's up there's anearlier beginning or there's an
(14:55):
earlier incident.
And then you run them throughit and you get the postulate off
and you get an FN and it.
You know it's that simple.
It's that simple and soonyou're going to be able to do it
with AI, with us.
But we'll talk about that inanother podcast.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, you know.
You know, even looking atpsychiatry from the medication
perspective, you know thesemedications cause fluctuations
in your neurotransmitters, theway you're going back to the
brain, since that's veryimportant in psychiatry the way
your brain moves stimuli andimpulses through itself, right,
(15:38):
it actually affects the way thebrain moves information or these
electrochemicals it tellsthrough the introduction of
body-produced chemicals.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean and this is where the Pavlov thing comes in
the Pavlovian theory is the bodyproduces chemicals to reward or
save the body, fight or flight,flight, that type of a thing.
And when you start messingaround with with, I mean it
would be, it would be likeputting on an added circuit
(16:15):
board with a computer on it.
That is changing things up.
When you put drugs into a to abody that altered the brain
chemicals in a body and many,many, many, many, many people
say I got off that shit becauseit was really messing with me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't know how many people.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've talked to that, have said that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, I used to work at a psychology clinic in
Minnesota and in fact it was thesame clinic where I had my
therapist, and when workingthere we would see people who
were on what they call blacklabel medications, black label
drugs.
A black box, I'm sorry, blackbox, or black label.
Label drugs.
(16:59):
A black box, I'm sorry, blackbox, or black label.
And these drugs, it literallysays on there, can have life
threatening adverse effects.
Right Can cause a person towant to unalive themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Can cause a person to hurt others?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Exactly, yeah, and you could see the difference
when a person wasn't takingtheir meds, and of course, that
would give them validation toput them on more meds, right, or
get them.
You know, let's get you back onyour meds.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We need to up your dosage, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
We need to up your dosage, right.
But what was happening was likethere'll be times that we'll be
literally having a conversationwith the patient and they'll
just stop and we'll be like MrJohnson, you OK, mr Johnson, and
then out of nowhere, it'salmost like they went catatonic
(17:48):
or something and then out ofnowhere they'll come back and
they'll just continue theconversation as if it was normal
.
And again this was theirreasoning for wanting them to
get on more meds.
Right, like, let's medicatethem more heavily.
But you could tell it was thedrugs that was messing with them
(18:09):
, because before Mr Johnsonwould just be talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking,
talking, talking, talking,talking, talking, talking
Johnson would be very different,right.
And so they would have to findand this is another interesting
viewpoint they would have tofind the right chemicals.
(18:30):
We got to find the rightchemicals, or the right
combination of chemicals, or theright whatever to handle how
much your brain ain't producingwhatever.
You know what I mean.
And so it's all kind of likeluck of the draw, figure, figure
, let's, we're gonna find theright balance, we're gonna find
(18:52):
it.
You just gotta give us time.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
meanwhile, this person, you know, can't stay off
a ledge right, yeah, and and Ireally, I really don't think
they have an idea of whatthey're really doing to a person
.
Uh, one for one, these schoolshootings that you see, oh yeah,
these, these kids are on psychdrugs and if you look at the
(19:21):
profit that these drug producers, the big pharma, at least in
the United States, they'remaking a fortune off of these
people and the misery thathappens and there's no
responsibility taken or anythinglike that.
You know they've signedpatients have signed waivers and
(19:43):
all that, and it's you'rethrowing the baby out with the
bathwater because there's, itdoesn't help, but it's big, big
money.
And the difference between apsychiatrist and a psychologist
is a psychiatrist can write ascript for whatever it is that
they want to prescribe you.
So psychiatry, no bueno, nobueno.
(20:08):
And you look at how many peopleare on Adderall and they can't
get off.
It is an epidemic, an epidemic.
They can't get off of Adderall.
There are millions uponmillions of people on Adderall
right now, hundreds of millionsEvery single day, and they need
(20:31):
it.
Every single day and they needit, and so you know that's big
money too day and they need it,and so you know that's big money
too.
So you have to, you really haveto wonder what's really going
on here.
So you know, to kind of bookendthis whole thing.
Stay away from that sort of athing.
Just do some Dianetics.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, and I'll say this I'll say this because we're
not.
I can speak for myself.
I'm not a psychiatrist, I'venever gone to school for
(21:12):
psychiatry, gone throughpsychiatric treatment, and
clients of mine who arecurrently in psychiatric
treatment, as in takingmedications, stuff and so on.
So these are people who I amexperiencing these conversations
with, right, and so this is notstuff I just read out of a book
(21:33):
, right?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I was going to say, and every psychiatrist and
yes, we have every psychiatristthat we have had on our lines
that has been interested indoing Dianetics and Scientology
was in rough shape, really roughshape.
As a being themselves, I findthat very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They're looking for help themselves.
I find that very veryinteresting.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're looking for help for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Absolutely, even outside of what they're
currently doing, their currentmedications or whatever,
whatever, which is the reasonwhy Elder H came up with the
purification program, like thepurists, because it was
necessary to get these drugs,whatever drugs they are.
It might not be, it could bestreet drugs, could be whatever,
but it's necessary to get itout of you and to expel these
(22:25):
drugs in order for you to havestable gains as a being right.
Because your your, your, yourbody, all that stuff is being
impacted by these kinds ofthings Now, and maybe we can
kind of segue into thealternative medicine side of
things, because obviouslythere's a space for some kind of
(22:49):
help, some kind of support.
When we're talking aboutpsychiatry, we're talking about
the big pharma chemical soupsthat are either put into you,
injected into you or whatever itcould be, and it does stuff to
the brain, it does stuff to thenervous system, it does stuff to
(23:09):
the digestive system, thesexual, that one's sexual
ability to perform sexually.
All that stuff is a part ofthat whole.
I just call it chemical soup.
Off of that, there arealternative medicines, right,
(23:31):
and it's interesting, they callit alternative when it's really
just natural medicine.
But there's natural medicineand natural processes and things
that one can do to help themout.
Um, what's your take on that?
What is?
What is Scientology?
You know, as independentScientologists, how do we
approach that?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, um, let's, let's take, for example,
chiropractic.
Let's take, for example,chiropractic.
Chiropractic has always beenthe redheaded stepchild of the
quote-unquote medical industry.
I mean, you can be a doctor ofchiropractic and it just blows
(24:17):
my mind how poorly they'relooked at by medical doctors
chiropractors are.
When a chiropractor can adjusta body and make changes that if
the person hadn't gone to achiropractor they would have had
something cut out, cut off, orsomething put in place of what
(24:38):
was cut out or cut off when itdidn't need to be.
And chiropractic has beenaround for a very, very long
time and it makes so much sensebecause it has to do with energy
flows in the body.
Your body produces energy, itcommunicates with energy.
(24:58):
And then you know it's a shameArthur isn't here today, but you
know you've got the Kirliantechnology where you can take a
picture of the aura of the bodyand all this stuff.
Lrh talks about this too.
You know, you're an energyproduction unit and flows get
blocked, that sort of thing, andthey have to be reopened.
(25:18):
And that's why we have thenerve assist, that's why we have
the touch assist.
Yes, there you go the effect ofmental masses that are produced
by the Phaeton on the body thatthen impinge upon the body and
block flows, and this is a keydatum that needs to be
(25:38):
understood and chiropractichelps with that.
It doesn't necessarily alleviatepermanently, but it's something
that if you start getting itopen, you might go get an
adjustment and you feel a littlebit better in it, but it's not
perfected.
You keep going twice a week,every couple you know for a few
weeks and then that flow isopened.
(26:01):
Practically every person, everyperson that is born into this
world, is immediately their neckis put out of position by the
doctor who's pulling the babyout of the birth canal.
And you'll go around for 20, 30, 40, 50 years before you know
(26:22):
that your body is indisalignment because your head
was twisted as you were comingout of the birth canal.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Oh wow, I didn't even think about that as a thing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And a good chiropractor.
Well, that's one of the firstthings they'll check once they
get your paperwork.
Have you ever been to achiropractor before?
It's one of the first thingsthey'll check, because it
affects the blood flow to thebrain and you're like, oh, wait
a minute, he's talking about thebrain.
Hang on, if you're not gettingproper blood flow to the
(26:54):
switchboard known as the brain,you're going to have a problem.
It's going to make you feelfunky, it's going to alter your
mood, it's going to cause thechemicals that the brain makes
that cause your body to operatenormally.
This is just how this thingworks.
I'm not getting into.
You know I am, but I'm not.
(27:15):
Your brain's not going tofunction properly if you can't
get enough blood flow to thebrain.
Because the brain needs oxygen,it's dead within five minutes
if it doesn't get the properamount of oxygen to these areas
(27:43):
handling these areas of thecomposite case that are
affecting and creating masses onthe body.
Okay, so it's no wonder thatyou would have body problems
from the composite case thatchiropractic could fix.
Maybe you need to do it and youjust have to get a tune-up
every couple of weeks.
I know I do, and bodies don'tstay the same.
They change their makeup,changes as you get older and
(28:08):
you're not getting the rightamount of minerals and nutrients
in the body because you haveplaque, for example,
arteriosclerosis and everything.
And that brings us to are yougetting enough exercise?
Because if you look atScientology axioms, if you don't
use it, you lose it.
If you don't put a create onthe body, the body goes into
(28:34):
apathy and LRH even says theprimary cause for cancer, the
primary cause for cancer is thebody giving up and going into
apathy.
On the second dynamic, my momdied from breast cancer shortly
(28:55):
after my dad said no, I don'twant to get back together with
you and it was really importantto her and she gave up.
Body gave up.
There was no game anymore.
And you could look at this asand I'm not saying that the
Scientology doesn't you can'tbecause of the way the medical
(29:16):
establishment has things set upon this planet, more than
anything, almost exclusively.
You can't say that we curephysical ailments because they
corner the market on that,because it's big, big, big, big
money.
When my mom was in the hospitalfor chemotherapy, $16,000 a bag
(29:37):
for the chemotherapy, chemicalChemotherapy geez, $16,000.
So it's no wonder that theywant to protect that industry
and they don't want a resolutionto it, because it is the cash
cow of cash cows.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Wait.
So she did chemotherapy.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The doctor suggested she did chemotherapy and it made
her feel so bad and so ill.
She said, john, I can't do thisanymore.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
We tried vitamin C therapy but it was too late and
there are lots of othertherapies outside of the United
States to handle cancer that dowork, and cancer is primarily a
fungus.
It's primarily a fungus and itcan be treated with one of the
cheapest substances known to man.
(30:29):
And a company you remember,baking soda Arm Hammer.
Yeah, yeah.
Baking soda therapy and this issomething that people have to
go over to Europe to get,because you can't get it in the
United States because it'sillegal.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, that kind of treatment.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's a who benefits kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Totally, totally.
You know it's interestingbecause, even as we can't say,
you know this stuff cures, right, because again, that's illegal
per the FDA.
There's a writer.
Her name is Louise Hay.
(31:18):
Louise Hay says anything theysay is incurable simply means
curable from within, and shetalks about how you can heal
your life.
That's the name of the book.
You Can Heal your Life.
Anything that they say isincurable simply means curable
from within, and so there's adifferent way of going about it.
(31:41):
They can't cure it right, andso when I let me go back,
because if any FDA folk listento this conversation, I'm not
saying that Scientology cured me.
What I'm saying is, is I curedmyself using me?
What I'm saying is, is I curedmyself using, and I used diet,
(32:02):
exercise, psychology, uh, as apart of my own process of
finding my ability to curemyself, and you can't stop me
from curing me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, that's right, that's right.
And I'm going to go as far asto say this If you do auditing
and you get through and you getto clear and you get up on the
upper end of the bridge, whichwould be from OT3 on, which
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would be from OT3 on, you willbecome uniquely aware of what it
is that is causing the bodyproblems.
And this has to do with thecomposite case.
And the body itself is anamazing, amazing machine, though
it is an impediment to thethetin, it is an amazing machine
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that self-regulates andself-cures and a lot of the
stuff, a lot of the problems.
Well, I mean, let's just comedown to it, what Al Wright says
All sickness is potentialtrouble source based okay, and
that comes from suppression.
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But you, you can handle 97, 98%of the body's problems with
getting up the bridge If you doit soon enough and and and you
handle any suppression on yourlines that that type of a thing,
and you handle any suppressionon your lines that type of a
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thing.
But it's the thetan that causesthe problem to the body more
often than not, almost one forone that there's something going
on in the mind that isdisposing people to these issues
.
Now, of course, if somebody'sborn with a withered arm or
something like that, well youknow that could be it too.
I mean, we're not octopi andwe're not going to get you to
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grow your arm back or somethinglike that.
I mean, the body can only do somuch.
But a lot of this stuff thatyou see can be handled with
processing and education on howthe mind works, if you want to.
But when you have a societythat is built upon the
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symptomatic side, well, what'sgoing on with you?
Well, it's this or it's this orit's that.
It's still PTS-ness at the endof the day, and so if you get
the suppression off of yourlines, you're going to be in a
lot better shape.
But you've got to get people tobe aware of this in order to do
something about it, and that'spart of the reason why
Scientology was attacked becauseit goes right after the
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pocketbooks of this inbuiltsystem of healthcare.
So that's something to takeinto consideration.
You know, should you takeminerals and vitamins?
Yes, you should.
Should you do way more thannecessary?
No, but you know, eat good food.
Don't live in a dirty city.
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Don't get near radiation.
If you can avoid it, which ispretty hard because the whole
planet has radiation on it nowsince we've entered the nuclear
age.
You know, there are lots ofalternative practices that a
person can do.
You know, for example and I'mnot talking about mental yoga,
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but yoga is tremendous,tremendous for a person to do.
If you want to get in goodshape and you don't want to go
lift weights, that type of thing, get on a good yoga program, go
take a class and after two orthree weeks of doing that,
you're going to find, you'regoing to find that you go
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exterior.
This stuff works.
This stuff works and and andI'm not, I'm not saying I'm not
saying do yoga to go exterior,I'm just saying that's a side
effect of it, because it's beenaround for so long and it's been
codified so well that it canexercise the body in ways that
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nothing else can and your bodyis in as good a shape as it's
gonna get if you do a reallygood yoga program and not get
into the spiritual side of itand stuff like that.
I don't recommend that.
Your body is in as good a shapeas it's going to get if you do
a really good yoga program, youknow, and not get into the
spiritual side of it and stufflike that.
I don't recommend that.
But it's amazing what thingsare out there.
You know, these naturalremedies, these herbal remedies,
that type of a thing.
(36:25):
When I had staph infection, Iwas taking echinacea, I was
taking colloidal silver.
What was the other one?
Oh, olive leaf extract.
Olive leaf extract is great.
If you feel like you're gettingsick, take a handful of like
five or six capsules of oliveleaf extract three times a day
(36:46):
and take 5,000 units of vitaminC and you'll kick whatever it is
that you've got right in theass with this stuff.
It doesn't take much.
The body doesn't need much tokick these things out.
So you know, that's what I'veobserved, though I've never been
in the hospital once my entirelife, never had my tonsils taken
(37:08):
out, never had gallbladderissues, nothing like that.
But then again, I've been inScientology my whole life, so
maybe that has something to dowith it?
I think that it does.
But anyway, what else do wewant to cover on this?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, I was going to say that there's so many things
that one can do to start to helptheir body.
I'm a huge fan of oregano oil.
I'm also a huge fan of blackseed.
Um um, the prophet, thehonorable Elijah Muhammad, said
that black seed can healeverything, every disease except
death.
Okay, he said every, everydisease except death.
(37:45):
And so you know, like, workingwith black seed, um, you know,
there's just so many wonderful,wonderful things.
Even, I think, scripture, theBible, even says that and the
leaves of the trees were for thecuring of the nations.
Now, that's Bible.
I don't know if the FDA got anyregulation on that, but he says
(38:05):
and the leaves of the trees arefor the curing of the nations.
And so you know, these thingsare meant to help you.
Now there are some things and Iwant to be very clear in what
I'm saying here there are somethings that actually do have
adverse effects on you as well,like marijuana and THC.
Right, thc can have veryadverse effects, even though
(38:26):
it's a natural plant andeverybody says but that's
natural, you said natural, right?
However, thc is a toxin.
So let's be clear on what it is.
Cbd is something different.
Cbd has a lot of for peoplewith epilepsy, for people with
different diagnosis, cbd canhave a lot of benefits.
(38:48):
Again, I'm not a medical, I'mnot a doctor, so do your own
research.
But suffice it to say there'sso many ways that you can get
your body in good shape, bothinternally and externally, if
you so choose.
And then in talking to somebodylike an auditor, and getting in
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session and going up the bridgeand handling those things that
need to be handled, those thingsdefinitely have a good service
facsimiles.
Oh my God, I want to talk aboutthat Service facsimiles and
what they do to a person.
What they do to a person.
Now, for those of you who don'tknow, a service facsimile is
basically something that aperson uses to try to make
themselves right, based off anengram Right.
So it's a mechanism based offan engram that they try to use
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to make themselves right.
Lrh talks about in one of hislectures about a gentleman who
had ulcers and it was shown tobe a service facsimile.
It was a service facsimile thatwas kicked in and he was going
around with ulcers andeverything and he said he took
amino acids and kept takingamino acids and, by God, one
(40:05):
morning he woke up and he didn'thave ulcers and he said but
that he didn't have his ulcersanymore.
Listen to this that he didn'thave his ulcers anymore.
It worried him sick Veryshortly.
He has night sweats.
So what happens is is that whenyou have these service
facsimiles that are keyed in,that are working constantly on
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you, it's going to show up inyour body, it's going to show up
in your skin.
It's going to show up in yourbody.
It's going to show up in yourskin.
It's going to show up in otherways, right, even if you do
something to try to fix thatsymptom hear the words, because
psychiatry deals with a lot ofsymptoms Even if you fix
something that deals with thesymptom, the service facsimile,
that thing that tries to keepyou right, to keep you, quote
(40:50):
unquote in the I need to survive, by God that service facsimile
can kick in something else andtherefore you know.
And then they say oh no, butthose are just the side effects.
Now you constipated, that's theside effect.
Now you can't get an erection,that's a side effect.
Okay, well, you know, know,service facts be service.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Back in yeah, and it's it's, it's what, what the
person uses to aid theirsurvival and hinder that of
others.
And you know why it's the whycan't you do something?
Well, it's because of my painin my zorge I can't do this, and
I mean you know?
How many people are ondisability in the United States,
(41:32):
in the world, are in governmentassistance because they have
disability, a disability.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well now, you hold up on people disability check.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Now, that's people disability check, yeah, and you
know how many people would getmad and say you know you're
cutting off my income, that thatis a service facsimile, that's
it, that's, that's, that's it.
And when they get upset aboutit, you're missing their
(42:00):
withhold.
That they're creating thisthing that they're using to make
themselves right and otherswrong, and that's their physical
disability.
Yeah, I mean, you just look atthat and you go that's insane,
but it is.
And LRH says that the servicefacsimile is a cousin to an evil
purpose.
You're using the reactive mindas a justification, something
(42:23):
that you're putting there andyou're mocking up to have a
physical disability, that thenyou're taking drugs for it that
have side effects.
That makes you more sick andcosts you more money, and then
raises the bottom line and theprofit margins of these big
pharma companies, and so theypush it more on other people.
(42:46):
So all you get is you're justbeefing up and feeding into the
system of making people sick.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
That's just crazy when it can be handled with
simple auditing it just blows mymind how it's a snake eating
its tail.
So service facsimilesContinuously.
Yeah, service facsimiles abound.
Every person you see ridingaround in walmart.
I'm one of those damnelectrical carts blocking the
aisle sideways and and you can't.
(43:21):
You see I'm sick.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
That's service facts, oh gosh yeah, and let me say
this and you can tell thedifference between a person who
is using this to be right versussomebody who wants to.
You know, like, let's say, aperson who was born with a
certain condition, or a personwho's at their leg or something
like that, or whatever it can be, and they might be in a
(43:43):
wheelchair, but they're like youknow what.
I want to do this myself.
I want to be more able, I wantto be independent, I want to
have my own.
You know my own way about me.
Right, you could tell thatperson is as a different working
, with a different energy, thanthe person of can't.
You see, I'm sick.
You should cater to me and makeme feel good.
You know that kind of thing.
That's a very different energy.
(44:05):
Then you know what I want to dothis.
Let me try it, and if I needsome help I'll ask you.
Right, that's all tone scale.
Yeah, it's a very, verydifferent way of approaching
things.
So, again, none of this is tomake anyone wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
None of this is to make anyone wrong.
What it's basically saying isis that when we look at
psychiatry as a practice, whenwe look at this as a practice,
we see the barbarism, we see thewrong or incorrect estimation
that you are an animal andyou're just a lump of meat in
between your ears, or you'reprimarily composed of that.
(44:42):
We know that you're more thanthat and as Thetans, as a
spiritual being having a humanexperience, you get to
understand that there's acausality to all of this.
There's a causation and if youunderstand how to approach the
causation which in Dianetics hegoes over that extensively If
you understand the causation,you'll understand why this stuff
(45:06):
works.
You'll really get it.
So read Dianetics, modernScience of Mental Health, get
into a course, get yourselfreally hatted on how to help you
and others to remedy the thingsthat might be ailing you, and
just take it from there andcontinue going up the bridge and
(45:27):
see how your life changes forthe better.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, being sick physically or being sick quote
unquote mentally is not normal.
It isn't the way things shouldbe or have to be.
It's abnormal and you don'thave to agree with it.
But on this planet it's justexpecting we don't have, uh,
(45:52):
national health care.
Everybody deserves a right toto have health care and
everything.
Yes, they do.
But the thing is is you don'thave to be sick.
It's not normal to be sickthat's a book.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
The book is called you don't have to be sick, it's
a wonderful book, but uh, jack,jack, don't drop.
Yeah, you don't have to be sick, it's a wonderful book, but
Jack.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Don Throck yeah, you don't have to be sick, and but
that's that.
Well, everybody gets sick, youknow.
And you know the whole COVIDthing and all that stuff, I mean
this, it's.
I mean, just the other day,just the other day, before Biden
left office, he pardonedAnthony Fauci, the poster child
(46:33):
for COVID.
He pardoned Anthony Fauci, theposter child for COVID, he
pardoned him.
What does that tell you?
Except, it was criminal, that'sright.
That's right.
And there was a withhold thereand that whole thing was an
installation of a kill switch.
This is how they're controllingpeople by the billions with
(46:54):
these MNRA, quote-unquotevaccines.
And then I just watched LarryEllison the other day and you
know I'm not a political person,I didn't vote.
I haven't voted since 1992, Ithink since 1992, I think in an
election.
He had Larry Ellison, the CEOof Oracle, up on stage talking
(47:17):
about this $500 billion program,stargate for AI.
And what are they up theretalking about?
Larry's talking about creatingthese MNRA vaccines for cancer.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
What does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Exactly exactly.
So the narrative is still beingpushed on this MNRA vaccine and
AI will help us develop thesemagical drugs that will get rid
of cancer.
And then Elon Musk pipes up,who's practically Trump's
(47:59):
running mate on this whole thing, and he says they don't have
the money.
I know from firsthand sourcesthey don't have this $500
billion to do this.
This is pretty scary, becausethese pharmaceutical companies
are throwing incredible amountsof money, incredible amounts of
(48:22):
money, towards AI to developdrugs that will enslave us all.
This is the first time that'shappened either.
It is here, but not throughouthistory, because if you can
control the body and control thebrain, you control the fate,
and we need to be very, veryvigilant about this, because all
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they have to do is the same oldthing they always do, which is
problem reaction solution.
They create a problem, covid,they get you to react and to put
on a mask and all that.
And what do you do?
Well, then they get thesolution they want.
You need to get a vaccine, andthen you need to get five
(49:03):
boosters, you know, and then Idon't know if you've seen this,
I don't know if I sent this toyou or not, but they can control
these graphene particles.
They can control them throughWi-Fi to move things in the
physical universe.
(49:23):
It's the creepiest thing I'veever seen and this is the stuff
that's in the COVID vaccine theycan take.
They can put this graphene on atabletop surface and they can
control it through radio to getit to move objects across the
tabletop.
They can get this graphene tohave two different levels, like
(49:43):
stairs.
Okay, so you've got a lowerlevel and an upper level.
They can get the graphene tothrow part of its constituents
up into the air up onto theother step and, like you've seen
ants how they try and climbsomething yeah right.
They can get the graphene to dothe same thing.
Wow, they can get the grapheneto exit the body with a radio
(50:09):
signal that causes you to bleedout of every orifice on your
body, if they want to.
I'm not.
I'm dead serious about this.
This is the stuff they'reputting in people's bodies with
this, with this COVID stuff,this graphene.
This was all staged and you,you can.
Nicotine helps you get rid ofit.
If you can believe that, isthat true?
(50:32):
Yes, yes, google it.
You might not be able to findit on Google, but you can find
it.
I'm not going to say where, butyou can find it.
I haven't looked for it onGoogle, but nicotine stops it.
Wow, yeah, so this is theplanet that we live on on and
you don't have to be sick.
(50:53):
And when they're installingsomething in your body that
makes you feel sick because youhad to take a vaccine, or your
employer made you take a vaccine, or whatever, you need to
question that, your body and I'msorry to sound hokey.
Your body is the most sacred oftemples you can have and without
it you can't get in session,you can't get anything done, and
(51:14):
you need to protect that bytreating it right, getting it
exercised, getting the rightnutrients.
And there's another thing Ifyou cook your food over a
certain amount of temperature,you're killing all the good guys
in it.
And then you have to takegrapeseed extract to put it in.
If you take a cucumber and youpeel the outside of the cucumber
(51:35):
off, you know, like with apotato peeler, all that's left
in the cucumber, all of thatnutrients cannot be metabolized
by the body because the enzymesare on the outside, in the skin
of the cucumber.
Same goes for a potato.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh, really, yeah, I love potato skin.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, and it's great on fries.
But there's all these tinylittle things that they do in
our society that eliminate thethings that allow you to
metabolize foods properly, andone of them is heating food over
a certain temperature.
Depending on what the food is,it varies and you're killing the
nutrients in the food becauseyou're heating it up, so you're
losing the nutrients, and thenthat forces you to go out and
(52:21):
buy something else or you getsick.
All of this stuff has beeninstituted throughout time
because they knew it was goingon.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Wait.
So what does grapeseed extractdo?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Grapeseed extract allows you to get the nutrients
out of it, even though it's beencooked over a certain
temperature.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Really.
Yeah, there was another one.
You said something about leaf,something leaf, olive, leaf Same
thing Comes from the same.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, olive leaf extract.
It's a sort of looks it almostlooks like.
Well, hey, you know what oliveoil is?
Okay, it's, it's almost exactlythe same compound, but it's
it's great instead it's from theleaf of the.
I mean, I'm looking at themoutside my window here, right
outside of the office.
(53:10):
I've got grapes growing outhere on the vine on the trellis
here, and so you take that andyou turn it into a liquid and
it's a natural antibiotic and itkicks staff's ass.
I mean, it gets rid of viralinfections naturally, naturally,
wow.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'm going to do my research on this.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, look it up and there's tons and tons.
There's a lady on Facebook.
They took her licenses away andimprisoned her and all this
stuff because she's got all ofthese natural remedies.
It's amazing the data that shehas and there's lots of people
out there that have this, but itflies right in the teeth of the
big farmer and the doctors andeverything because and that's
(53:55):
why they went after LRH.
He tried to give them Dianeticsand they were like we're not,
no, we're not going to do thisbecause there's no money in the
cure, there's money in the cup.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Right, and if you really think about it, it makes
sense.
Like when you really readDianetics and definitely when
you use it right, when youactually get in session, you see
the wins, you see the advantage, you see yourself.
You can literally becomeyourself.
Out of the muck and the mire ofyour own aberration and stuff
(54:28):
like that.
You become yourself own.
You know aberration and stufflike that.
You become yourself.
Why wouldn't anybody put theirhands on this, especially if
they were really interested inyou know helping others and
curing people and stuff likethat?
Why would you just dismiss thisout of hand, right, like
there's something behind it?
When they say, oh no, we readthe book but no, we ain't going
to use that one, why, oh no, no,it didn't, it didn't need our
(54:53):
peer-reviewed.
You know other psychiatriststhat sit on a you know ivory
tower, like the.
You know the, the four horsemenof the apocalypse or whatever,
that they didn't say that it wasokay.
And what do you do?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
well, these guys know yeah, these guys know, and and
and everybody listening to thispodcast when your body doesn't
feel good, what are you going toget done?
You're not going to get done awhole hell of a lot because the
body weighs you down and you,you have to take care of it.
You have to put a create on itand and the create that you put
on the body is to the degreethat you're going to feel good.
(55:27):
And LRH says the definition ofa silly optimist is a the, the
degree that you're going to feelgood.
And LRH says the definition ofa silly optimist is a thetan who
thinks they're going to feelgood in the body every day
because it's a hindrance.
That's the difference of asilly optimist A silly optimist,
but it's a hindrance to thedegree that you exercise.
(55:48):
It is to the degree that thebody is keyed out.
You go to the gym, you do someyoga, whatever you go for a run,
ride your bike.
You do this, you're keying thebody out, and you can key the
body out only so much.
But when you key the body outnow, you can key the body out
only so much.
But when you key the body outnow, you have one less thing
holding you back and that's whyyou can't go in session when
(56:10):
you're hungry.
You can't go in session whenyou're tired.
You can't go in session whenyou drank.
You can't go in session whenyou've had drugs, because drugs
key in masses.
Alcohol keys in masses.
Lack of food keys in masses.
Not enough water keys in massesto this body.
You have to have thesefundamental things in Exercise
(56:32):
with the body is key, because ifyou do that, you're going to
feel like you can do more.
You're going to feelextroverted and keyed out to the
degree that you'll do thingsyou wouldn't normally do.
Those things that you normallydo, okay, are the most important
things, but you've got to getthe body out of the way first.
(56:53):
So you have to take care of thebody on the first dynamic.
If you're not happy we didn'tget to mention this the other
day If you're not happy, yourethics are out and you've got to
look at the body as the firstline of defense on that is
you've got to take care of thebody.
Keep it healthy, keep itexercised, move around.
Lrh has got references onexercise, move it, put some
(57:16):
create on it, get it uptoned,because the body wants to be
around.
It won't do it itself.
You have to do it becauseyou're incorporated into it.
It's you know.
Will your dog go for a walk byitself?
No, you have to take a dog outfor the walk.
That's how they get exercise.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Well, they'll go, but you know, they might not come
back.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Right, right, but they might not come back.
But that's the thing is, is ifjust as much as you have to walk
the dog, it's the same thing.
You have to walk the body.
Your body is the dog.
You need to walk Boy oh boy,all right, well, I'm, it just
(58:02):
makes sense because to thedegree that you can key the body
out is to the degree thatyou're going to be able to rise
up above it and get more done,because this is the thing that's
holding you back.
I'm not saying that the body iseverything, but it is an
impediment, it's something thatstops you, and when you're
(58:23):
putting psychiatric drugs in it,especially, or you're not
getting to the chiropractor tokeep the flows going on the body
, I recommend to everybody.
I see, and so many people, ohno, I don't want to go to the
chiropractor, I don't likesomebody else touching me.
(58:47):
So what you're telling me is youdon't like feeling good, you
need to get over that yeah, youknow, and there's something to
be said, and and you will agreewith me on this, there's
something to be said and andgoing and getting a massage oh,
when you listen, I live insoutheast asia, thailand.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Listen, it's the best thing I'm telling you now.
Don't tie massages.
You got to open up those flows.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
That's right, because you're getting a reach and
withdraw on all of these signalsthat are going through the body
.
You're getting in calm, You'regetting into that deep tissue.
You got to do this sort ofthing every now and then you got
to treat yourself, you know.
I mean going and getting afacial okay, I get it, that's
fine.
Getting your nails done, thattype of thing, that's different.
(59:30):
Okay, that's aesthetic.
We're talking about making thebody feel good, so that that the
being feels like moving thebody around, because if you
don't give your car a tune-up,it doesn't run for very long.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
So, as I'm hearing you say this and we can get rid
of the end off, as I'm hearingyou saying this, I'm even
thinking about, like it's notthe same a massage, like a Thai
massage or whatever.
It's not the same as a body,commissus, but you literally
come out.
I was going to say but youliterally come out.
Yeah, I was going to say youcome out.
I had this one Thai lady inChiang Mai, thailand, and this
(01:00:06):
woman would work me and shewould be lifting my leg and she
would be massaging me and I'd belike, oh, and she would just
crack up laughing Because shewas speaking English, but she
knew that she was dealing withsome demons in her body.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah well, and that's the thing is that when you get
the body in communication withitself because it gets so out of
calm and it gets stagnant, youhave to handle that stagnancy by
getting some communication inthere.
And when you've got anotherperson's hands, be it a
chiropractor or being a masseuse, I mean there's nothing,
(01:00:47):
nothing to replace that, to makeyou feel keyed out of the body.
That's the point is, it's notjust we wanna make the body feel
good, we gotta make the thetanfeel good and the body is not a
distraction.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
And then you can get on Right.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, it's a distraction and that's the thing
is, the body becomes the focusof attention.
My sickness, my sickness,service facsimile that type of a
thing.
And so if you feed it right, yousleep it right, you get it
enough nutrients, and I can'tstress how important it is.
Get a good mattress, get goodpillows, talk to your
(01:01:28):
chiropractor, get enough sleep.
If the body doesn't get enoughsleep, there is nothing more,
nothing more that will pull inmass on the body than a lack of
sleep.
Forget about all the otherstuff we've talked about.
If you're not getting enoughsleep, you're not going to be
(01:01:50):
able to do anything else becauseyou're not going to be able to
see the trees for the forest,and everybody is different.
I love these foam mattresses,the really good ones to help you
get a good night's sleep.
Some people need thosechiropractic pillows, some
people need foam pillows thatare just like the beds and stuff
like that.
(01:02:10):
But you've got to look intothis stuff.
These are simple remedies thatallow you to function and get up
the bridge quicker, because itcould be something as simple as
any of the things that we'vetalked about that are preventing
you from rising up and beingable to confront your case.
That's what this comes down to.
That's what it is all aboutwhen you confront your case.
(01:02:31):
So food for thought, folks.
We hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and do your due
diligence.
Don't take our word for it.
We're not making any medicalclaims here or anything like
that.
These are things you need tolook into and if you do, you
will love your life better andyou'll be able to key out enough
(01:02:52):
to actually get something doneand rise above planet Earth
suppression.
That's what this comes down to.
I love it.
So we'll see you next week,folks, for another podcast.
Thank you, quentin, for beinghere, namaste, and we love you.
Bye, bye, peace, thank you.
Thank you, thanks for watching.
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