January 27, 2025 • 54 mins
Discover how to transform life's challenges into opportunities for growth and empowerment with our special guest, Quenton Stroud. Explore the fascinating principles of Independent Scientology and learn how to view life as a captivating game played by spiritual beings. Gain insights into how the obstacles we encounter, often self-created, can drive us toward personal development and self-discovery. Quenton and I discuss the art of embracing uncertainty and how this mindset can propel you toward new and ambitious pursuits, backed by references to Scientology and Dianetic axioms.
Unlock the power of language and self-made postulates as we dissect how our beliefs and repetitive thought patterns shape our realities. Through engaging discussions, we delve into the transformative process of auditing and uncover the potential for breaking free from self-imposed limitations. By 'as-is-ing' these ingrained beliefs, you can foster personal growth and create a more empowering mindset. Listen in as we emphasize the importance of mindset and confidence, likening it to a journey rather than a trial-and-error process, and explore how a shift in perspective can lead to profound personal success.
Join us as we highlight the influence of our surroundings and the importance of breaking agreements with limiting beliefs. Discover how aligning with higher tone individuals can help you overcome resistance and achieve personal growth, even when going it alone seems daunting. We discuss the power of maintaining a positive outlook, the necessity of patience and persistence, and the role of auditing in accelerating your progress. Through engaging metaphors and anecdotes, we reassure you that change is within reach, offering encouragement to stay committed to your path with determination and certainty.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everybody and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcastbrought to you by AO-GPorg and
the College of IndependentScientologycom, our online
course room.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand we are going to do podcast
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season 10, episode 16,overcoming Obstacles Using
Independent Scientology.
This one will go all over theplace, I think, quentin.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, this is going to be definitely just really my
idea with this is to reallyapproach this from a holistic
perspective, to let people knowlike the things that have been
keeping us stuck, feeling stuck,keeping us feeling like we're
not advancing or moving forwardin our goals or our pursuits
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what those barriers consist ofand how this actually eradicates
those.
So I think this is going to bereally good.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, to start out, at the foundation of overcoming
obstacles, we'd have to look atthe Scientology and Dianetic
axioms, the building blocks ofauditing, and one of those
axioms states that a being or athetan, you, the spirit, not
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your body have to have games.
You have to play games.
And I have this conversationgosh, I bet you, I have this
conversation three or four timesa week with people that life is
a game and you're playing it.
Now, have you ever played chessor checkers or some other game,
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tic-tac-toe even?
Have you ever played a gamewith yourself?
How it was easy to win andthere was no game, because you
knew what you were going to do?
Well, this is part of theproblem of why you have
obstacles.
These obstacles are somethingthat is created.
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How are they created?
Well, that's in the axioms aswell.
In order to play a game, youhave to become and agree to be
aberrated, otherwise there's nogame.
So you have to go into a notknow.
You don't know how to dosomething, and this is the
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dwindling spiral that we findourselves on in this universe.
We're not part of this universe, we are not matter energy,
space and time.
We are spiritual beings and weconsist of energy production.
That's what we do.
So if you're not producingenergy in the direction of
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positive, you're producingenergy in the negative.
So, not know, creating a gamefor yourself is part of that
energy.
I can't, I can't do this, Ican't do that.
You're putting it there becauseif you knew everything, you
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wouldn't have a game.
So that's the problem, rightthere.
So wait a minute.
You conceive you create.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So we literally make ourselves a little stupid.
That's the right word.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We make ourselves not know something Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We make ourselves not know something in order to play
the game with ourselves to findout how to know it or how to
overcome it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Interesting.
So if you look at let's, let'slook at an analogy, would you
watch a movie if you knew theplot?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
um, I mean, I like movies but I will, I would watch
it, but I would be like I'll bewatching it with a level of
knowing.
It's like okay, I know what'sgoing to happen, so it'll be
less fun, I guess, if you will.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, because a mystery is one of the most
interesting things to a being ishow do I, or what happens if?
Now, an interesting phenomenathat occurs when you get
auditing in Scientology and yougo into the upper levels, the OT
levels, and you solo audit andall of that?
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Ellerate says and this is acurious point because this gives
you an idea of the next echelonabove, when you're on OT5,
which is a neurodynamics for OTs, to new OT7.
He says that what you'll findis the physical universe tends
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to get a bit flimsy and thin.
It's sort of like being on amovie stage.
You know you're walking throughthis old Western town and you
look around the corner and it'sjust a facade.
And the other thing is is thathe says it ruins movies for you,
because you've already got itfigured out.
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You know like you watch theseTV series and what's going to
happen to Superman?
Is Superman going to die?
Is Lex Luthor going to kill himoff?
And when you're on on ned forot's, you immediately think,
without any communication lag atall.
Well, of course he's not,because he's the main character
of the series, right, see?
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So when you look at this fromthe viewpoint of games, now
you're creating.
You're going to have to createmuch bigger games, and that's
what OT is all about, is you'replaying bigger games.
You have bigger, biggermysteries, not just we're not
talking mass but you go from Iwant to go to school to be a
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whatever, and you pull that off,but the next thing is is you go
.
Okay, I've mastered that.
We have a client who's aHarvard graduate and I know he's
listening and he's done, beenthere, done that and all of that
and the the allure of that isis gone.
He's seen, been there, donethat, and now he's playing even
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bigger games that are totallydifferent, spent all this time
been a a master student, been amaster producer.
Nothing got in his way, despiteall obstacles, and then he
decided I'm going to play a newgame.
So in playing a new game, itconsists of freedoms, boundaries
and purposes, so go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, I was going to say.
That's exactly what I wanted tokind of touch on, because so,
if we're playing these, or that,we're playing these games with
ourselves, really, and theseobstacles are showing up as a
part of those barriers, as apart of those things that we
have to quote, unquote, overcome, which we're talking about
overcoming obstacles.
So the obstacles, the problems,aren't a bad thing, right?
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They're actually there to giveyou some randomity, to give you
some interest, to give you somethings to conquer.
The problems are actually thereto experience yourself as a
bigger being.
Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah.
And the interesting thing is isearly on, I mean, you know,
everybody gets into a religionor independent Scientology
because they want a solution totheir problems.
But the thing is is that onceyou go clear, you start getting
on the path of, instead of thegames playing you that you don't
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have any control of, you reallydo.
You just don't know it andyou're not aware of it.
Now you start to play games youwant to play and you stop
playing games that are playingyou that you didn't know were of
your own creation.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh, my God, so, so, okay.
So, just in my own experienceas a Scientologist, just my own
journey, like I've seen that tobe true, because the truth of
the matter is is that prior to,I was playing these games with
myself and in my own life, I wasplaying these games with myself
and in my own life I wasplaying these games with myself
where, particularly aroundrelationships and around money
and credit, and you know, it wasjust like I could.
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It was palpable, the problemsthat I was dealing with, like I
could feel the heaviness of them, the solidity.
Yeah, yeah.
And so as I continue to, youknow journey and advance, and
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you know you help me with thegrades, you help me go clear all
these things like anxiety, oryou know they neurotic about
something, or worried aboutsomething or whatever, like I
know that there's a way to you,for you to get to a place where
that does not happen and itabsolutely does not have to
happen.
You don't have to feel thatlevel of anxiety where I was
talking to my sister after thewhole election and everything or
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whatever, and she was really,really feeling some kind of way
about the election results,whatever it is.
She was feeling some kind ofway about it, and so much so
that she ended up going to herpsychiatrist and just because of
the election, they had toadjust her meds, put her on meds
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, and just because of theelection results.
And so when I called her back,I said you know, hey, how you
doing.
And she was like, oh, I'm somuch better now, so much better
now.
I said, oh, good, she said, yeah, I went to my therapist and
they actually ended up just inmy meds and no, I'm so much
better now.
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Okay, got it.
You know, like, it's like, wow,like because that felt so heavy
to her, so bleak to her.
It was almost as if, like shecould not function, you know.
And so I say, all that to sayis that I know that there's
another side of this thing where, if you can just get to the
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other side, if you can get intoauditing the grades, let me tell
you something the gradeschanged my life.
The grades changed my lifebecause if you can get through
these communication barriers andthe problems that you face in
life and all these, if you canjust get through these things,
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you don't feel the same way.
Yeah, and that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah Well, like the axioms say as well,
considerations are senior to thephysical universe.
We talked about this severaltimes on the podcast.
Is that what you consider?
You know, if you sit there andyou, you look at yourself in the
mirror and you go I'm such adumbass.
That's your consideration andit's going to reflect back into
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what you can do and what youcan't do, and it all has to do
with agreement.
You're agreeing with this gameof your own creation and
auditing reverses.
That gets you exterior to itand gives you a different
viewpoint.
You look at, why am I thinkingthis way?
I don't have to think this wayand it typically comes from
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you've gone into earlieragreement with other people's
evaluation, the physicaluniverse, rubbing your nose in
the dirt, and you go.
Well, obviously I can't do this, but the thing is is the only
reason you can't is becauseyou've decided that you can't,
and I'm not trying to get allwoo-woo, but it is the case.
That which you decide is yourreality.
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Reality is a relative.
So what are?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
you agreeing?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
with.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Exactly Even scripture, the Bible, actually
says that a man would decree athing and it shall be
established unto him.
So you will decree a thing,you'll say something, and it
shall be established unto you.
So when you call somebody elsestupid, or when you call
somebody else ugly, youdecreeing the thing establishes
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it for you.
And so you want to be very,very mindful of what you're
postulating, what you're puttingout there, what you're making
your own truth.
You become what do you say?
You become the effect of yourown cause.
Right?
And yet another way to play agame, right?
Yet another way to play a gamewith yourself, where you
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actually become the effect ofyour own causes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's crazy man the effect of your own causes.
It's crazy, man.
Yeah.
Well, it becomes a labyrinth ora miasma of all of these.
Okay, I took a left turn and Itook another left turn, and I
took another left turn and Iended back up right where I
started.
How many people listening tothis podcast go?
Yep, been there.
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And you get caught in this loopbecause of your own
considerations, of the game thatyou are playing, and that game
is influenced.
Ultimately, at the end of theday and this is hard to accept
if you haven't gotten on, it isbecause of your own postulates,
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your own decisions that weremade.
And we're going to look at thisjust for the moment from a
dianetic standpoint.
The bottom of every dianeticchain of engrams, secondaries or
locks or a combination of allof those things, which
ultimately the engram is at thebottom of locks and secondaries,
is a postulate.
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Did you make a postulate at thetime of that incident?
And that is the case every time.
I can't do this.
Men are like that.
I shouldn't drive, I'm afraidof this, that type of thing,
these decisions you put there,planted a flag, and now you have
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to make a right or left or upor down turn because of those
decisions and you're not evenaware of it.
It's just, you've been put intoa situation of your own making
and you've decided okay, I'mgoing to make this decision
because of this situation, andthat's a motivator.
An engram is something that youhave perceptibly received.
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You think you've received this,but honestly, what's happening
is you cause this to happen.
We've talked about this inother podcasts, but you cause
this thing to happen to you, andthat's what the reactive mind
does.
So if you can get that undercontrol and say, okay, I'm not
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going to have these thingshappen to me, that I did to
myself, your life would bedrastically different to where
you could say, okay, I'm goingto learn how to play bridge or
canasta as a game, so to speak.
Well, what do you have to do?
How do you play bridge orcanasta?
Well, there's rules.
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But see, these are agreements.
Rules are agreements.
The physical universeperceptively punishes you to
teach you the rules.
That's the way that it seems.
That's the way that it seems,but it's really you going into
agreement with these assumedassumptions that these are the
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rules.
You were going to say something.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so this is good because when we go into
auditing and we're going overour case and we're looking at
these incidents, these engrams,these things that happen to us,
we go in over our case and we'relooking at these incidents,
these engrams, these things thathappen to us, we go in over our
case and let's say, like yousaid, we have this cognition and
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we come across this postulatethat we made on whatever the
thing is, you can't be broken,rich or whatever, or you can't
be spiritual and rich or happyand rich.
You know how people don't think, can't be spiritual and rich or
happy and rich.
You know how people don't think.
And so this posture comes uphere and it's.
It's interesting because the theto me, one of the benefits of
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auditing is that by going in,looking at the situation,
looking at the ingram um, lookat the ingram, looking at the
postulate that you made it as is, it's like you, you can like
when you fully see it and howridiculous this is and how it
has nothing to do with anyobjective truth.
It's just this whole, thisconsideration that you made in
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your, in your own mind orwhatever, like, you can go in
and you can, as is, or vanish orvanquish or disappear that
thought and replace it with amore constructive, a more
healthy way of thinking.
Right and so by, but.
But what ends up happening isyou know we can cause, you know
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it's the beginning of the year,you know you write down your
affirmations and you write downyour resolutions, and you can
write down these affirmationsand resolutions all day long.
You can have your vision boardup on the wall and those things
might have some kind of benefits.
But the truth of the matter is,until you, as is that postulate
that is keeping you in thatcondition, whatever it is, until
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you, as is that postulate, andyou really see it for what it is
and where it came from and howI came to this conclusion, and
what is what you really?
If you don't get to that, it'sjust like throwing a.
Somebody showed me it's likethrowing a multivitamin on a
lump of crap.
It's like it's crap and youjust throw a multivitamin.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Why didn't it fix it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That ain't gonna make it better, right?
I got all this crap in here,and so, by going in and
as-is-ing those postulates thatare actually keeping you in this
condition, that's where the, inmy opinion, that's where the
start of the betterment begins.
I got to get rid of this oldway of thinking in order to
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create and decide, conclude formyself a new way, a new
consideration.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, a good analogy would be if you've ever used a
spreadsheet and you have aformula that you put in the
spreadsheet to figure somethingout.
If that formula is incorrect,you're going to get the wrong
answer and that wrong answer isgoing to cause a domino effect
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to where you come up with anegative bank account.
Or, let's say, these algorithmsthat social media platforms use
and everything like that.
These algorithms that socialmedia platforms use and
everything like that.
These formulas are used to getyou to do certain things, see
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certain things, think certainthings, decide certain things.
And you've got planet Earth.
So you're being manipulated byincorrect formulas as to what is
important and what is notimportant.
Oh, so-and-so, got a new bagand these influencers, and
they're influencing people, andall this and this stuff comes up
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on your feed and now you're offon this train of thought.
So it's an incorrect formulathat has been created in the
reactive mind because you'vebeen knocked down and said well,
I won't do that again.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Bing.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
There you are.
Why can't I do this anymore?
But it's also important to notethat there is some validity
into being positive, picturingwhat it is that you want LRH
talks about this on the Route toInfinity back in 1952, that you
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have to get at a lower level,you have to get a mental image
picture and you have to put itthere.
And we've talked about this inother podcasts as well.
Talked about this in otherpodcasts as well that if you
want to buy a house, well, youhave to be a house owner in
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order to do the things you needto do in order to have the house
, and you have to start puttingthat into motion and put it into
the physical universe.
So, journaling, auditing notthat different, but it does help
just to write things down andget it out Start taking the
actions that a house owner woulddo, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
No finish.
I was agreeing.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's that real, because if you believe it, you
can have it, you can do it, youcan be it, but you have to
decide.
But if you have these thingsthat are holding you down with
these wrong equations, guesswhat?
It isn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, I teach with my clients and stuff.
I say listen anything youbelieve you become and live.
Believe Anything you believeyou become and live.
Be live Anything you believeyou become and live.
And so you become that and thenyou start to exemplify that or
live that out in your livedexperience and some of those
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beliefs are deeply inculcated.
Some of those beliefs aredeeply entrenched in your
consciousness and the way youare, the way you're thinking,
and those beliefs have to be inyour consciousness, in the way
you are, the way you're thinkingand those beliefs have to be.
And this is why I loveScientology as a spiritual
practice, because you and I haveoften compared this.
When we did back in the daywhen we were talking about
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parascientology, we talked aboutshadow work and how you go in
and you got to go into the deep,dark, shadow side of self.
You got to go into that stuffthat you don't want to look at
about yourself, the things thatyou did.
That really was lumped up youknow what I mean and you take a
look at it and you really exposeall of you so that you can
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really see where you've comefrom, what you've come through,
who you were in past lives orwhatever.
You see all of this stuff, andthen you come to a fullness of
realizing wait a minute, that'snot really me, who I really am
is, and you get to fill in theblank I am that I am.
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I think this is really, reallypoignant, because these deeply
entrenched beliefs we call thempostulates in Scientology that
these things that you have cometo believe you will become and
you will live them.
And that's not just what you,that's what you think about the
world around you.
This is why Scientology saysthat the attainment of
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brotherhood with the universe,like this, is not.
It's not a separate, you're notan island until yourself.
You are part of this ongoingcosmos, this cosmic unfoldment
of things.
You are part of all of this andwhat you're feeling about
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yourself and about the worldaround you that is going to play
out in your life over and overand over again, until you take a
serious, hard look at it, dealwith it and reframe it and
repostulate what it is that youwant for yourself.
And so this is why I think that, why it's worked for me.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, and what you you're you know what you're
doing with with the lower levelsof auditing is you're getting
the preclear, the personreceiving the auditing, to
change their mind about things,and all of these things are one
big spider web.
One thing's connected toanother.
You've got valence as well.
It's a solution to a problem.
I need to act like mama.
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I need to act like papa, I needto act like my big brother,
because my big brother survivedbetter than anybody else,
whatever, whoever.
But you've bought into this andsaid, okay, I have to do these
things in order to survive.
So you're using.
It's sort of like you taking onthese different plates of armor
and putting them on andeverything, when you don't
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really need to have those platesof armor, because if you really
are a big being, you don't haveto worry about it, because
you're not putting anythingthere to stand in your way at
all.
It's that simple.
But, like you say, you have totake a good hard look, and it's
very difficult for anybody inthe lower levels to take a good
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hard look without somebodystanding next to them and saying
okay, you got this, take a look.
I don't see anything.
Take a look, take a look.
Yeah, that's really Iunderstand.
Take a look, look at that, andthat's basically what you're
doing with auditing is you'rebeing a guide to your own case.
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We're not telling you what tothink, we're just doing the
process that gets you to look atit on your own, because the
most important factor isself-determinism.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know the way you just flowed that out and thank
you for doing that.
The way you just flowed thatout, it actually, in my opinion,
it shows you how loving thiswork really is.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's incredible how that makes a person feel, how
that makes a person feel there'sall this talk about safe space
and all this stuff.
A safe space is someplace whereyou don't need to worry about
evaluation, you don't need toworry about invalidation.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Judgment.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Judgment, because it's all around us.
Turn the TV on, listen to theradio, read something on your
phone, because all of thissource material that you're
reading consists of this andit's pushing you in certain
directions, and everything Inauditing you've got none of that
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.
It's basically a zero attitude,and so you can look at things
and you can go okay, this iswhat's true.
For me, it's very aberrated.
Gosh, I can't believe I evertook that on and swallowed it
and metabolized it and acted onit.
But you've got thousands ofthese things going on, and then,
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on top of that, you've gotother influences that are
influencing you to do that inthe first place, that you don't
even know are there yet.
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, it's like Schrodinger's cat.
It's like, you know, in a darkcloset.
What is it?
You locked in a dark closetwith a black cat, trying to find
a black cat and realizing therewas no cat there in the first
place, or something like that.
It's a whole physicsterminology.
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But my point is is that it'slike it's like you're in this
dark closet of your ownconsciousness, your own mind,
and you're trying to figure out.
Is there something?
What's wrong with me?
Why do I think like this?
Why do I feel this way?
You're searching for this blackcat in the dark closet and it's
like wait, I'm the one in thecloset, I'm the one in there.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's just me and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm really looking for me.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, and that's the thing.
And you can get into this thingwhere the way you feel about
something, you say well, thatplace makes me feel a certain
way.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That place makes you feel acertain way.
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Do you get what I'm saying?
You're feeling a certain waybecause you're making yourself
feel that way.
There isn't anything making youfeel that way.
You're making yourself feelthat way.
Love is how you make yourselffeel that way.
Love is how you make yourselffeel that way.
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You better stop on this phone.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You better stop right now, Because let me tell you
something.
This is what I have beenteaching for years.
It's how you make yourself feel.
The person, don't make you feelnothing.
That person is just beingwhatever lump.
They be in right, they be inover there doing what they do,
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and that's wonderful, don't getme wrong.
I'm not invalidating theircontribution, right, but you get
to choose how you feel in thesemoments.
You get to go through thisexperience and say this is how I
want to experience this thing,and no ifs ands buts about it.
And once you know who you arein this, your whole experience
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changes in what you'reexperiencing concerning it.
That's right.
When you change the way you lookat things, the things you look
at change, and so all I'm sayingis is that you know, whether
you decide to start with justdoing some general book one
auditing and getting on withsome of our book one auditors,
whether you decide to go evenhigher and do a life repair, you
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want to start your bridge andErnst, whatever it is that
you're doing, this is a processthat is already laid out for you
.
Okay, it's not hit or miss,it's not trial and error.
It is something that is laidout for you and it's a way to do
it that you see the gains everysingle session.
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You see you don't have to go totherapy for 16 months and two
years and, oh, I think I'mfeeling better now.
I think I'm still getting overmy X.
No, you can remedy this stuffquick boy.
That's been my experience withit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's sort of like when how do I describe this?
So it's sort of like when howdo I describe this?
It's sort of like if you'venever done something before this
lifetime and you managed topull it off.
How did you feel before?
Like, and then you do it.
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And then you go I got this,I've done this before, I know
how I felt, I can see that I cando this again.
And you get more certainty onit because you've been able to
pull it off and present toyourself that you could pull it
off.
But you get to a point to whereyou think, yeah, I can do
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anything, anything I want to.
Because now you've gottenyourself to a point to where
you've presented to yourself Ican win this game of chess, I
can win any game of chess.
Does that make sense?
You have to convince yourself.
By convincing yourself.
You don't even have to do that,you don't even have to do that.
(31:43):
It's sort of like saying I canhave a gallon of milk because
I've gotten milk before.
Well, at one point you'd neverbought a gallon of milk.
Well, who got you to buy agallon of milk?
You did, so.
You were able to do it in thefirst place anyway, Whether it's
a gallon of milk or buying yourfirst, whatever that sizable
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house car, you name it, thething is is you were always,
always, capable of doing that.
The only thing that was holdingyou back was your consideration
that you couldn't do it.
Wow, I know that seems almostreductio ad absurdum, but it's
true.
And you don't have to.
You don't have to convinceyourself.
(32:27):
It's just a matter of saying Igot this and staying on that.
That's what LRH calls tone 40.
You're just putting it thereand you don't sit there and
teach it without animation.
The force is one.
I am with the force.
The force is one, I am with theforce.
The force is one, I am with theforce.
You know.
I mean it's literally in a starWars movie that these guys were
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doing this, these jedi thathave these these powers and
everything, and it was.
It was a little silly that they, they took it that far.
But I mean that's down scale,because you don't have to do
that.
That's high tone to top of thetone scale is serenity of
beingness.
That's total.
No, that's yoda.
That's why it's called tone 40,40.0.
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It's yoda.
You know, luke skywalker saysyou know, I'm trying.
There is no try, only do right.
And he pulls the x-wing out ofthe swamp and problem solved.
It was a mcguffin for the wholestory.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So and luke said and luke says oh my god, I don't
believe it.
He says that's just why youfail.
That's right, that is why youfail and that's great you know,
you know this is.
This is some really, really goodstuff, and I think that, more
than anything, for and I go backto what I said earlier about
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the loving aspect of this, and Idon't know why this is on me to
talk about it, but it is issuch a loving act on behalf of
the auditor and it's such aloving act on behalf of yourself
, right, like you can loveyourself into greatness, you can
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love yourself into rightness,you can love yourself into
survival and better survival.
You can love yourself into thisthing.
And the way you start doing it,I think, is to having a
conversation with yourself.
One thing about an auditor, anauditor's job is to listen and
compute.
That's what an auditor doesjust listens and computes, helps
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you compute these things.
And so you're really havingthis conversation with yourself,
but you're doing it with thefacilitation and the and the
guidance of an auditor to helpyou to, like you say it and do
it again when you said it Okay,take a look at it.
Okay, do it again.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Take a look.
Will you take a look?
Yeah, take a look, take a look.
And so you start looking at itfrom the different sides of a
clock 12, three o'clock, sixo'clock, 12, 3 o'clock, 6
o'clock, 9 o'clock, 12 o'clockand then you go oh, that was a
weird consideration that I had,right?
Yeah, so that's.
(35:20):
The deal is, you've gotyourself wrapped up in a bunch
of little filaments of linenthat you can pull yourself out
of, but you've got yourselfsnookered into a point to where
you think that you can't dothese things because you've made
all these decisions that areholding you back, and that's all
(35:41):
there is to it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, and I never looked at it that way, because
you're really looking at thisthing from a truly
multidimensional viewpoint,right, like this is what the
axioms come in is aboutviewpoints, but you're looking
at viewpoints and dimensionpoints.
You're looking at this thingfrom a multidimensional
viewpoint, like I can see thisthing from many different
(36:05):
dimensional shifts.
Okay, I can look at it this waythere's a movie, um, there's a
movie.
There's a movie called vantage.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
It's called vantage and in the movie.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
It's a great movie, yeah, from all the different
perspectives yeah, at first Ididn't like it because I'm like
I'm just seeing the same thingover and over again.
It's okay, I know that, butwhen, um, but when I went back
and watched it a second time, Iwas like this is a really
interesting movie because you'reseeing the same situation, the
same incident, from multipledifferent vantage points or
(36:36):
vantages, and thismultidimensional viewpoint on
what is happening or whathappened in your lived
experience, and you get to belike, oh my God, and it's like,
and like you said about watchinga movie, when you're watching
this movie the viewer watches itand be like I wouldn't go in
(36:58):
that room if I were.
You Like, oh my God, girl, step, step, back, run.
The viewer is saying this, butfrom the vantage point of the
person in the movie, she don'tsee the killer behind the couch.
You know what I mean, orwhatever.
And so it's just so interestingthat how this technology works
and how this really really helpsa person to really especially
(37:22):
with grade one see problems wetalk about overcoming obstacles
see these problems from thesedifferent viewpoints where you
actually can solve them.
This is not something aboutcoping, this is not just to cope
you through it and we're gonnahelp you breathe in exercises
and we're gonna help you.
Listen, I don't want nobreathing exercise, I want this
(37:48):
thing gone.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, and one of the auditing processes that really
works is the problems ofcomparable magnitude.
It's very, very therapeutic.
So, you know, I can't seem toget into the college that I want
to get into.
Okay, think of a problem that'sbigger than this.
Okay, think of another problemthat's bigger than this.
(38:12):
Okay, think of another problemthat's bigger than this.
Think of another problem that'sbigger than this.
And so you get to the point towhere you're like, well, this is
, this is nothing you know, it's, it's, it's that sort of that,
that viewpoint of what do I haveto be thankful for I can
overcome this, because it couldbe a lot worse.
You could be dying, yeah, Icould, whatever.
(38:34):
But when you start to look, atthat.
But the other thing is that, tothe degree that you agree with
those around you and their tonelevel and the way that they see
things, that's as much of anobstacle to you achieving what
it is that you want to achieve.
What are you buying into, basedoff of the people that are
(38:55):
around you, the company you keep?
In other words, because inorder to be an ARC with someone,
you have to drop in tone level.
In order to be an ARC, thehigher tone selectively gives.
So if you're around a bunch ofpeople who are underachievers,
(39:15):
you're going to be anunderachiever because you've
bought into that narrative.
You need to be around highertone individuals.
That's why he says OTs workbetter in numbers and sometimes
it's impossible to find peoplethat are higher tone and you
have to just go it alone.
And when you get away from thatand you do these things
(39:35):
yourself, you find that all of asudden, a lot of the resistance
that you were running into theheadwinds are no longer there,
because their influence is notyour influence.
And that is something you haveto look at as well, because your
parents are saying, ah, you'llnever make it as a musician, you
don't have what it takes, yougot no talent, kid, give it up.
(39:57):
Okay, now you're done for,because these are the people
that you're looking at asopinion leaders.
The only opinion that matters isyours.
That's a postulate itself, orreverse it, everybody else's
(40:17):
opinion.
They say that I can't do this.
They say that I can't do that.
Everybody, everybody, runs intothis.
Don't believe it.
Don't believe it.
You're only seeing the worldthrough their failures because
they believe it themselves.
That's it.
That's all there is to it.
But these are parts of engrams,and these engrams have
postulates and you're like, yeah, they know what they're talking
about.
Dad's always been right.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
um, no good, can't do anything yeah, and you and you
start, and you start to actuallyuh, um, covertly, like kind of
prove them right.
You'll sabotage yourself ifyou're not careful.
You'll sabotage yourself toprove them right, like, oh, my
mom always told me that he wasgoing to break my heart Right,
(41:01):
he was going to cheat on me, hewas going to break my heart,
this was going to happen.
They always say you can't trust,you start to go into agreement
with them to prove them right.
And it's such a weirdphenomenon because it's like you
don't want that to be your,your lived experience, and yet
you, you find the way, or find away, to prove them right about
(41:22):
who you are, about what you'reexperiencing in the universe.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
So it's kind of messed up actually, yeah, it's
all about agreement and thatagreement, agreement, is a
powerful thing.
You have to learn to disagree.
You have to disagree, have todisagree with what it is that
you're getting that ispreventing you from doing things
A lot of times.
You know, I mean, you have lotsof arbitraries and it's
(41:45):
important to mention arbitraries, lots of arbitraries, and it's
important to mention arbitraries, lots of arbitraries in the way
, well, I have to do this and Ihave to do that, and there's
this license that needs to bedone, and I have to get this tax
number and I have to.
And then you just look at itand you get overwhelmed and you
give up.
But you're agreeing with thesethings and elliott says you have
(42:05):
to get a bright idea, okay, andthat.
That that's a little.
Now we're starting to get intothe territory of fake it till
you make it.
But see, fake it till you makeit is you disagreeing with all
of these things and you're justsaying, okay, I can do this
because I mean, you know you'renot going to go in and be a
brain surgeon.
Faking it till you make it,okay, let's just be honest,
(42:27):
honest.
But the thing is you've got tostart somewhere and you have to
disagree and once you get oneleg over the fence, you can get
another leg over the fence as abeing and go.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Okay, I did that, I can do this so so is it easier
this is just a question, I don'tknow if there's any data on it,
but is it easier to disagree orto agree first, like should we
like find those things that wedon't want in our experience,
(42:57):
and like I disagree with that.
Like my spiritual teacher usedto say, I would never be broken
another day in my life, and hewould say he would kind of make
that be you know, I would neverbe broken another day in my life
.
I would never be broken anotherday in my life, and he would
say he would kind of make thatbe you know, I would never be
broken another day in my life.
I would never be broken anotherday in my life, and that would
be his way of kind of likedisagreeing with poverty or
whatever, or mediocrity orsomething like that and that
(43:20):
goes along with.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I mean, a really simple place to get started is
the code of honor in independentScientology.
I get that is the code of honor, because that that is the bare
bones thing that you can use andgo.
Okay, I don't need anybody'sapproval for shit.
My, my considerations are seniorto everybody else's and once,
(43:45):
once you get a win for me, right, there is just yeah once you
get a win, okay, fine, but right, there is yeah, once you get a
win, okay fine, but the thing isyou've got to start somewhere.
It's innately with you and thenthe best thing that you can do
is get yourself educated on thelaws of the universe.
Grab a copy of Scientology 0 to8 and read the Scientology
(44:07):
axioms, read the Dianetic axioms, understand the cues and the
logics and really demo those out.
And now you're looking at itfrom a clean slate and go okay,
I don't have to agree with anyof this stuff.
I don't have to agree that it'sgoing to take forever to get up
the ridge.
I don't have to agree that I'mgoing to have to better, have a
better job in order to to live ahappy life.
(44:28):
No, because again we go back to.
You know, the love you feel isthe love you create, for example
, and if you can do that, whichpretty much everybody, everybody
does you can make yourself saythat again, the love you feel is
the love you create.
I love that how you feel aboutsomebody or something.
(44:53):
That's how you feel when you goback and you look at a
particular point in your lifewhere you were feeling really
great, really great aboutsomething and you go yeah, man,
I haven't felt that in a longtime.
Well, what's stopping you, kid?
What's stopping you?
Mm-hmm, there's nothingstopping you?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
What's stopping you from feeling that again, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Mock that shit up, yeah, you know.
Because what are you doing ifyou're not feeling that way?
You're mocking that shit up.
You're mocking up the notfeeling of it, right, right,
right.
So just flip it, flip thescript and go okay, you know, I
can pull all this stuff off.
Like LRA says, you know, smileand you'll soon start feeling
(45:36):
like you have something to smileabout.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
It's just all of these otherinfluences that you have in your
life.
Put that goddamn phone down,stay away from the TV, stay away
from the newspapers, go out andtake a walk in nature, do a
location and start makingyourself feel that way and all
(45:57):
of a sudden, guess what?
The phone starts ringing.
You start outflowing, Phonestarts ringing more.
And what I mean by the phonestarts ringing, you know you're
getting info, Opportunities yeah.
That which you outflow, thatemotion that you outflow, that
certainty of emotion that yououtflow, is what you're going to
(46:17):
receive If you're a victim.
You're going to pull inflowsthat create you to be a victim
to validate that which you'remocking up.
That's it, and it sounds sosimple, because it is.
It's just that you've gotyourself convinced that you'd
much rather mock up one thingthan another.
(46:37):
So you know a feeling andemotion.
What is emotion?
Lra says emotion is used to geta desired result.
Think about that for a moment.
What is the desired resultyou're getting when you feel
like you're not capable of doinganything?
You're validating your owndecision that you're not capable
of doing anything.
That's a consideration, that'sa postulate.
(46:59):
Change it, change it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's that simple.
It doesn't matter what's in thereactive mind.
You can overcome that bydeciding.
I have and am overcoming that.
What do I need to do?
Take a step.
Take another step.
Now do something else.
Take a step.
Take another step.
Start putting these things in.
Get in good shape, exercise, gofor a walk, run, go to the gym,
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go bike riding.
Be creative.
You start creating.
You're going to start creatingpositive things.
It's that simple.
You just have to get somemomentum.
The physical universe has acalm lag of about six weeks at
the bottom of the bridge.
The physical universe has nocalm lag at the top of the
bridge.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Interesting Wait that .
Oh, my God, you're droppingthese pearls.
So so the physical universe hasa calm lag of about six weeks
at the bottom of the bridge.
So when a person is feeling lowtone and they try to change
this, it like it might take aminute to for the, for the lived
experience to catch up.
So don't, so don't, start doingthese.
I'm gonna decide right now I'ma millionaire or whatever.
(48:13):
You're doing all this stuff,and then two weeks later you'll
be like I can't even get a job,you know, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, right, you can't do it that way yeah, don't
, don't, don't take a loss,don't take a loss.
You need to understand yeah youknow the the the best way to to
describe it is you got to waitfor the letter to get there,
because the letter isn't goingto do any good unless it gets to
the terminal, and the terminalis you've got this quicksand and
(48:42):
you're trying to walk out ofthe quicksand and you blow out
and then you start getting intothe swamp and you find there's
less resistance and then it'sjust water and then you're on
land.
Don't give yourself a loss.
Don't give yourself a loss.
It isn't going to happenovernight.
If anybody, anybody, doesn'thave patience with themselves,
(49:03):
knock it off.
It's.
And I'm going to make thisindication.
It's not you.
You are a Satan in the physicaluniverse.
This universe is very solid.
It's going to take some time.
Don't let it get you down.
My superpower is persistence ona given course, and I know I
(49:26):
will get there.
And I mean no, you can do thistoo, and you just have to
acknowledge it and admire it andgo ah, this is taking a long
time, but I'm going to get there.
Keep going, keep going.
Put your pants one leg at atime, get out of bed.
Three days, four days.
You keep doing this.
(49:47):
You're gonna start seeingresults and the flows are gonna
start coming in, but you justhave to be patient with it.
Get some auditing.
You'll find things speed up andthey speed up and it's not
taking as long you see.
So that's the whole thing is.
The only thing stopping you isyour own impatience with your
own ability to postulate and getit to manifest, and we've had a
(50:08):
podcast about this and this isimportant.
Okay, you have thisconfirmation bias.
That's your headwind.
That's your headwind.
Well, I don't see any changeyet.
Fuck this.
Right, that is your ownconfirmation bias.
Knock that shit off.
Okay, that's going to change.
When you get up the bridge,you'll make postulates so fast
(50:31):
you scare yourself.
They're just bam, right there,right there, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom, boom.
But you've got to get all thisother crap out of the way, and
the only way to do that is bepatient with yourself.
Admire the system the way thatit is, and I know that's hard,
but you just go.
What a beautiful contraptionthis physical universe is in
(50:51):
this reactive mind.
Get in session, get in sessionand we have a release that's
coming out real soon, real soon.
That's going to allow you toget in session cheaper than you
ever imagined and get book oneDianetics Cheaper, more reliable
, anytime you want, as long asyou're sessionable, well-fed,
(51:13):
well-rested, no drugs, noalcohol.
I'm telling you everything isgoing to change very, very soon.
There will be nothing stoppingyou, okay, and we got your back.
There will be nothing stoppingyou.
Okay, and we got your back.
We want you to succeed and weknow you will succeed.
(51:34):
It's not.
Can you will Decide it,disagree with it?
Admire all of this crazyslowness and this physical
universe.
Calm, like time doesn't meananything.
Distance doesn't mean anything.
You got this, we've got this.
Yeah, we've got you.
So we hope this has beeninspiring and we're a little
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over an hour here.
So we're going to let you gofor today and, if you have any
questions, comment below onYouTube.
We'd love to see your commentsand get a dialogue going.
Otherwise, we'll see youWednesday.
Arthur will be back with us andwe will be here for another
podcast.
So for Quentin Stroud andmyself, namaste, and we love you
(52:19):
, bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Peace, thank you, thank you, thanks for watching.
Hi everybody and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcastbrought to you by AO-GPorg and
the College of IndependentScientologycom, our online
course room.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand we are going to do podcast
(00:23):
season 10, episode 16,overcoming Obstacles Using
Independent Scientology.
This one will go all over theplace, I think, quentin.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, this is going to be definitely just really my
idea with this is to reallyapproach this from a holistic
perspective, to let people knowlike the things that have been
keeping us stuck, feeling stuck,keeping us feeling like we're
not advancing or moving forwardin our goals or our pursuits
(00:57):
what those barriers consist ofand how this actually eradicates
those.
So I think this is going to bereally good.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, to start out, at the foundation of overcoming
obstacles, we'd have to look atthe Scientology and Dianetic
axioms, the building blocks ofauditing, and one of those
axioms states that a being or athetan, you, the spirit, not
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your body have to have games.
You have to play games.
And I have this conversationgosh, I bet you, I have this
conversation three or four timesa week with people that life is
a game and you're playing it.
Now, have you ever played chessor checkers or some other game,
(01:52):
tic-tac-toe even?
Have you ever played a gamewith yourself?
How it was easy to win andthere was no game, because you
knew what you were going to do?
Well, this is part of theproblem of why you have
obstacles.
These obstacles are somethingthat is created.
(02:15):
How are they created?
Well, that's in the axioms aswell.
In order to play a game, youhave to become and agree to be
aberrated, otherwise there's nogame.
So you have to go into a notknow.
You don't know how to dosomething, and this is the
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dwindling spiral that we findourselves on in this universe.
We're not part of this universe, we are not matter energy,
space and time.
We are spiritual beings and weconsist of energy production.
That's what we do.
So if you're not producingenergy in the direction of
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positive, you're producingenergy in the negative.
So, not know, creating a gamefor yourself is part of that
energy.
I can't, I can't do this, Ican't do that.
You're putting it there becauseif you knew everything, you
(03:21):
wouldn't have a game.
So that's the problem, rightthere.
So wait a minute.
You conceive you create.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So we literally make ourselves a little stupid.
That's the right word.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We make ourselves not know something Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We make ourselves not know something in order to play
the game with ourselves to findout how to know it or how to
overcome it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Interesting.
So if you look at let's, let'slook at an analogy, would you
watch a movie if you knew theplot?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
um, I mean, I like movies but I will, I would watch
it, but I would be like I'll bewatching it with a level of
knowing.
It's like okay, I know what'sgoing to happen, so it'll be
less fun, I guess, if you will.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, because a mystery is one of the most
interesting things to a being ishow do I, or what happens if?
Now, an interesting phenomenathat occurs when you get
auditing in Scientology and yougo into the upper levels, the OT
levels, and you solo audit andall of that?
(04:29):
Ellerate says and this is acurious point because this gives
you an idea of the next echelonabove, when you're on OT5,
which is a neurodynamics for OTs, to new OT7.
He says that what you'll findis the physical universe tends
(04:52):
to get a bit flimsy and thin.
It's sort of like being on amovie stage.
You know you're walking throughthis old Western town and you
look around the corner and it'sjust a facade.
And the other thing is is thathe says it ruins movies for you,
because you've already got itfigured out.
(05:13):
You know like you watch theseTV series and what's going to
happen to Superman?
Is Superman going to die?
Is Lex Luthor going to kill himoff?
And when you're on on ned forot's, you immediately think,
without any communication lag atall.
Well, of course he's not,because he's the main character
of the series, right, see?
(05:36):
So when you look at this fromthe viewpoint of games, now
you're creating.
You're going to have to createmuch bigger games, and that's
what OT is all about, is you'replaying bigger games.
You have bigger, biggermysteries, not just we're not
talking mass but you go from Iwant to go to school to be a
(05:57):
whatever, and you pull that off,but the next thing is is you go
.
Okay, I've mastered that.
We have a client who's aHarvard graduate and I know he's
listening and he's done, beenthere, done that and all of that
and the the allure of that isis gone.
He's seen, been there, donethat, and now he's playing even
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bigger games that are totallydifferent, spent all this time
been a a master student, been amaster producer.
Nothing got in his way, despiteall obstacles, and then he
decided I'm going to play a newgame.
So in playing a new game, itconsists of freedoms, boundaries
and purposes, so go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, I was going to say.
That's exactly what I wanted tokind of touch on, because so,
if we're playing these, or that,we're playing these games with
ourselves, really, and theseobstacles are showing up as a
part of those barriers, as apart of those things that we
have to quote, unquote, overcome, which we're talking about
overcoming obstacles.
So the obstacles, the problems,aren't a bad thing, right?
(07:10):
They're actually there to giveyou some randomity, to give you
some interest, to give you somethings to conquer.
The problems are actually thereto experience yourself as a
bigger being.
Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah.
And the interesting thing is isearly on, I mean, you know,
everybody gets into a religionor independent Scientology
because they want a solution totheir problems.
But the thing is is that onceyou go clear, you start getting
on the path of, instead of thegames playing you that you don't
(07:48):
have any control of, you reallydo.
You just don't know it andyou're not aware of it.
Now you start to play games youwant to play and you stop
playing games that are playingyou that you didn't know were of
your own creation.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh, my God, so, so, okay.
So, just in my own experienceas a Scientologist, just my own
journey, like I've seen that tobe true, because the truth of
the matter is is that prior to,I was playing these games with
myself and in my own life, I wasplaying these games with myself
and in my own life I wasplaying these games with myself
where, particularly aroundrelationships and around money
and credit, and you know, it wasjust like I could.
(08:32):
It was palpable, the problemsthat I was dealing with, like I
could feel the heaviness of them, the solidity.
Yeah, yeah.
And so as I continue to, youknow journey and advance, and
(09:10):
you know you help me with thegrades, you help me go clear all
these things like anxiety, oryou know they neurotic about
something, or worried aboutsomething or whatever, like I
know that there's a way to you,for you to get to a place where
that does not happen and itabsolutely does not have to
happen.
You don't have to feel thatlevel of anxiety where I was
talking to my sister after thewhole election and everything or
(09:32):
whatever, and she was really,really feeling some kind of way
about the election results,whatever it is.
She was feeling some kind ofway about it, and so much so
that she ended up going to herpsychiatrist and just because of
the election, they had toadjust her meds, put her on meds
(09:53):
, and just because of theelection results.
And so when I called her back,I said you know, hey, how you
doing.
And she was like, oh, I'm somuch better now, so much better
now.
I said, oh, good, she said, yeah, I went to my therapist and
they actually ended up just inmy meds and no, I'm so much
better now.
(10:13):
Okay, got it.
You know, like, it's like, wow,like because that felt so heavy
to her, so bleak to her.
It was almost as if, like shecould not function, you know.
And so I say, all that to sayis that I know that there's
another side of this thing where, if you can just get to the
(10:34):
other side, if you can get intoauditing the grades, let me tell
you something the gradeschanged my life.
The grades changed my lifebecause if you can get through
these communication barriers andthe problems that you face in
life and all these, if you canjust get through these things,
(10:55):
you don't feel the same way.
Yeah, and that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah Well, like the axioms say as well,
considerations are senior to thephysical universe.
We talked about this severaltimes on the podcast.
Is that what you consider?
You know, if you sit there andyou, you look at yourself in the
mirror and you go I'm such adumbass.
That's your consideration andit's going to reflect back into
(11:23):
what you can do and what youcan't do, and it all has to do
with agreement.
You're agreeing with this gameof your own creation and
auditing reverses.
That gets you exterior to itand gives you a different
viewpoint.
You look at, why am I thinkingthis way?
I don't have to think this wayand it typically comes from
(11:47):
you've gone into earlieragreement with other people's
evaluation, the physicaluniverse, rubbing your nose in
the dirt, and you go.
Well, obviously I can't do this, but the thing is is the only
reason you can't is becauseyou've decided that you can't,
and I'm not trying to get allwoo-woo, but it is the case.
That which you decide is yourreality.
(12:09):
Reality is a relative.
So what are?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
you agreeing?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
with.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Exactly Even scripture, the Bible, actually
says that a man would decree athing and it shall be
established unto him.
So you will decree a thing,you'll say something, and it
shall be established unto you.
So when you call somebody elsestupid, or when you call
somebody else ugly, youdecreeing the thing establishes
(12:38):
it for you.
And so you want to be very,very mindful of what you're
postulating, what you're puttingout there, what you're making
your own truth.
You become what do you say?
You become the effect of yourown cause.
Right?
And yet another way to play agame, right?
Yet another way to play a gamewith yourself, where you
(12:59):
actually become the effect ofyour own causes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's crazy man the effect of your own causes.
It's crazy, man.
Yeah.
Well, it becomes a labyrinth ora miasma of all of these.
Okay, I took a left turn and Itook another left turn, and I
took another left turn and Iended back up right where I
started.
How many people listening tothis podcast go?
Yep, been there.
(13:23):
And you get caught in this loopbecause of your own
considerations, of the game thatyou are playing, and that game
is influenced.
Ultimately, at the end of theday and this is hard to accept
if you haven't gotten on, it isbecause of your own postulates,
(13:44):
your own decisions that weremade.
And we're going to look at thisjust for the moment from a
dianetic standpoint.
The bottom of every dianeticchain of engrams, secondaries or
locks or a combination of allof those things, which
ultimately the engram is at thebottom of locks and secondaries,
is a postulate.
(14:05):
Did you make a postulate at thetime of that incident?
And that is the case every time.
I can't do this.
Men are like that.
I shouldn't drive, I'm afraidof this, that type of thing,
these decisions you put there,planted a flag, and now you have
(14:27):
to make a right or left or upor down turn because of those
decisions and you're not evenaware of it.
It's just, you've been put intoa situation of your own making
and you've decided okay, I'mgoing to make this decision
because of this situation, andthat's a motivator.
An engram is something that youhave perceptibly received.
(14:50):
You think you've received this,but honestly, what's happening
is you cause this to happen.
We've talked about this inother podcasts, but you cause
this thing to happen to you, andthat's what the reactive mind
does.
So if you can get that undercontrol and say, okay, I'm not
(15:11):
going to have these thingshappen to me, that I did to
myself, your life would bedrastically different to where
you could say, okay, I'm goingto learn how to play bridge or
canasta as a game, so to speak.
Well, what do you have to do?
How do you play bridge orcanasta?
Well, there's rules.
(15:31):
But see, these are agreements.
Rules are agreements.
The physical universeperceptively punishes you to
teach you the rules.
That's the way that it seems.
That's the way that it seems,but it's really you going into
agreement with these assumedassumptions that these are the
(15:56):
rules.
You were going to say something.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so this is good because when we go into
auditing and we're going overour case and we're looking at
these incidents, these engrams,these things that happen to us,
we go in over our case and we'relooking at these incidents,
these engrams, these things thathappen to us, we go in over our
case and let's say, like yousaid, we have this cognition and
(16:23):
we come across this postulatethat we made on whatever the
thing is, you can't be broken,rich or whatever, or you can't
be spiritual and rich or happyand rich.
You know how people don't think, can't be spiritual and rich or
happy and rich.
You know how people don't think.
And so this posture comes uphere and it's.
It's interesting because the theto me, one of the benefits of
(16:43):
auditing is that by going in,looking at the situation,
looking at the ingram um, lookat the ingram, looking at the
postulate that you made it as is, it's like you, you can like
when you fully see it and howridiculous this is and how it
has nothing to do with anyobjective truth.
It's just this whole, thisconsideration that you made in
(17:05):
your, in your own mind orwhatever, like, you can go in
and you can, as is, or vanish orvanquish or disappear that
thought and replace it with amore constructive, a more
healthy way of thinking.
Right and so by, but.
But what ends up happening isyou know we can cause, you know
(17:27):
it's the beginning of the year,you know you write down your
affirmations and you write downyour resolutions, and you can
write down these affirmationsand resolutions all day long.
You can have your vision boardup on the wall and those things
might have some kind of benefits.
But the truth of the matter is,until you, as is that postulate
that is keeping you in thatcondition, whatever it is, until
(17:50):
you, as is that postulate, andyou really see it for what it is
and where it came from and howI came to this conclusion, and
what is what you really?
If you don't get to that, it'sjust like throwing a.
Somebody showed me it's likethrowing a multivitamin on a
lump of crap.
It's like it's crap and youjust throw a multivitamin.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Why didn't it fix it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That ain't gonna make it better, right?
I got all this crap in here,and so, by going in and
as-is-ing those postulates thatare actually keeping you in this
condition, that's where the, inmy opinion, that's where the
start of the betterment begins.
I got to get rid of this oldway of thinking in order to
(18:33):
create and decide, conclude formyself a new way, a new
consideration.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, a good analogy would be if you've ever used a
spreadsheet and you have aformula that you put in the
spreadsheet to figure somethingout.
If that formula is incorrect,you're going to get the wrong
answer and that wrong answer isgoing to cause a domino effect
(19:02):
to where you come up with anegative bank account.
Or, let's say, these algorithmsthat social media platforms use
and everything like that.
These algorithms that socialmedia platforms use and
everything like that.
These formulas are used to getyou to do certain things, see
(19:24):
certain things, think certainthings, decide certain things.
And you've got planet Earth.
So you're being manipulated byincorrect formulas as to what is
important and what is notimportant.
Oh, so-and-so, got a new bagand these influencers, and
they're influencing people, andall this and this stuff comes up
(19:45):
on your feed and now you're offon this train of thought.
So it's an incorrect formulathat has been created in the
reactive mind because you'vebeen knocked down and said well,
I won't do that again.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Bing.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
There you are.
Why can't I do this anymore?
But it's also important to notethat there is some validity
into being positive, picturingwhat it is that you want LRH
talks about this on the Route toInfinity back in 1952, that you
(20:21):
have to get at a lower level,you have to get a mental image
picture and you have to put itthere.
And we've talked about this inother podcasts as well.
Talked about this in otherpodcasts as well that if you
want to buy a house, well, youhave to be a house owner in
(20:41):
order to do the things you needto do in order to have the house
, and you have to start puttingthat into motion and put it into
the physical universe.
So, journaling, auditing notthat different, but it does help
just to write things down andget it out Start taking the
actions that a house owner woulddo, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
No finish.
I was agreeing.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's that real, because if you believe it, you
can have it, you can do it, youcan be it, but you have to
decide.
But if you have these thingsthat are holding you down with
these wrong equations, guesswhat?
It isn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, I teach with my clients and stuff.
I say listen anything youbelieve you become and live.
Believe Anything you believeyou become and live.
Be live Anything you believeyou become and live.
And so you become that and thenyou start to exemplify that or
live that out in your livedexperience and some of those
(21:44):
beliefs are deeply inculcated.
Some of those beliefs aredeeply entrenched in your
consciousness and the way youare, the way you're thinking,
and those beliefs have to be inyour consciousness, in the way
you are, the way you're thinkingand those beliefs have to be.
And this is why I loveScientology as a spiritual
practice, because you and I haveoften compared this.
When we did back in the daywhen we were talking about
(22:06):
parascientology, we talked aboutshadow work and how you go in
and you got to go into the deep,dark, shadow side of self.
You got to go into that stuffthat you don't want to look at
about yourself, the things thatyou did.
That really was lumped up youknow what I mean and you take a
look at it and you really exposeall of you so that you can
(22:29):
really see where you've comefrom, what you've come through,
who you were in past lives orwhatever.
You see all of this stuff, andthen you come to a fullness of
realizing wait a minute, that'snot really me, who I really am
is, and you get to fill in theblank I am that I am.
(22:50):
I think this is really, reallypoignant, because these deeply
entrenched beliefs we call thempostulates in Scientology that
these things that you have cometo believe you will become and
you will live them.
And that's not just what you,that's what you think about the
world around you.
This is why Scientology saysthat the attainment of
(23:11):
brotherhood with the universe,like this, is not.
It's not a separate, you're notan island until yourself.
You are part of this ongoingcosmos, this cosmic unfoldment
of things.
You are part of all of this andwhat you're feeling about
(23:31):
yourself and about the worldaround you that is going to play
out in your life over and overand over again, until you take a
serious, hard look at it, dealwith it and reframe it and
repostulate what it is that youwant for yourself.
And so this is why I think that, why it's worked for me.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, and what you you're you know what you're
doing with with the lower levelsof auditing is you're getting
the preclear, the personreceiving the auditing, to
change their mind about things,and all of these things are one
big spider web.
One thing's connected toanother.
You've got valence as well.
It's a solution to a problem.
I need to act like mama.
(24:14):
I need to act like papa, I needto act like my big brother,
because my big brother survivedbetter than anybody else,
whatever, whoever.
But you've bought into this andsaid, okay, I have to do these
things in order to survive.
So you're using.
It's sort of like you taking onthese different plates of armor
and putting them on andeverything, when you don't
(24:35):
really need to have those platesof armor, because if you really
are a big being, you don't haveto worry about it, because
you're not putting anythingthere to stand in your way at
all.
It's that simple.
But, like you say, you have totake a good hard look, and it's
very difficult for anybody inthe lower levels to take a good
(24:59):
hard look without somebodystanding next to them and saying
okay, you got this, take a look.
I don't see anything.
Take a look, take a look.
Yeah, that's really Iunderstand.
Take a look, look at that, andthat's basically what you're
doing with auditing is you'rebeing a guide to your own case.
(25:21):
We're not telling you what tothink, we're just doing the
process that gets you to look atit on your own, because the
most important factor isself-determinism.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know the way you just flowed that out and thank
you for doing that.
The way you just flowed thatout, it actually, in my opinion,
it shows you how loving thiswork really is.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's incredible how that makes a person feel, how
that makes a person feel there'sall this talk about safe space
and all this stuff.
A safe space is someplace whereyou don't need to worry about
evaluation, you don't need toworry about invalidation.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Judgment.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Judgment, because it's all around us.
Turn the TV on, listen to theradio, read something on your
phone, because all of thissource material that you're
reading consists of this andit's pushing you in certain
directions, and everything Inauditing you've got none of that
(26:30):
.
It's basically a zero attitude,and so you can look at things
and you can go okay, this iswhat's true.
For me, it's very aberrated.
Gosh, I can't believe I evertook that on and swallowed it
and metabolized it and acted onit.
But you've got thousands ofthese things going on, and then,
(26:50):
on top of that, you've gotother influences that are
influencing you to do that inthe first place, that you don't
even know are there yet.
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, it's like Schrodinger's cat.
It's like, you know, in a darkcloset.
What is it?
You locked in a dark closetwith a black cat, trying to find
a black cat and realizing therewas no cat there in the first
place, or something like that.
It's a whole physicsterminology.
(27:25):
But my point is is that it'slike it's like you're in this
dark closet of your ownconsciousness, your own mind,
and you're trying to figure out.
Is there something?
What's wrong with me?
Why do I think like this?
Why do I feel this way?
You're searching for this blackcat in the dark closet and it's
like wait, I'm the one in thecloset, I'm the one in there.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's just me and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm really looking for me.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, and that's the thing.
And you can get into this thingwhere the way you feel about
something, you say well, thatplace makes me feel a certain
way.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That place makes you feel acertain way.
(28:17):
Do you get what I'm saying?
You're feeling a certain waybecause you're making yourself
feel that way.
There isn't anything making youfeel that way.
You're making yourself feelthat way.
Love is how you make yourselffeel that way.
Love is how you make yourselffeel that way.
(28:40):
You better stop on this phone.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You better stop right now, Because let me tell you
something.
This is what I have beenteaching for years.
It's how you make yourself feel.
The person, don't make you feelnothing.
That person is just beingwhatever lump.
They be in right, they be inover there doing what they do,
(29:03):
and that's wonderful, don't getme wrong.
I'm not invalidating theircontribution, right, but you get
to choose how you feel in thesemoments.
You get to go through thisexperience and say this is how I
want to experience this thing,and no ifs ands buts about it.
And once you know who you arein this, your whole experience
(29:27):
changes in what you'reexperiencing concerning it.
That's right.
When you change the way you lookat things, the things you look
at change, and so all I'm sayingis is that you know, whether
you decide to start with justdoing some general book one
auditing and getting on withsome of our book one auditors,
whether you decide to go evenhigher and do a life repair, you
(29:50):
want to start your bridge andErnst, whatever it is that
you're doing, this is a processthat is already laid out for you
.
Okay, it's not hit or miss,it's not trial and error.
It is something that is laidout for you and it's a way to do
it that you see the gains everysingle session.
(30:11):
You see you don't have to go totherapy for 16 months and two
years and, oh, I think I'mfeeling better now.
I think I'm still getting overmy X.
No, you can remedy this stuffquick boy.
That's been my experience withit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's sort of like when how do I describe this?
So it's sort of like when howdo I describe this?
It's sort of like if you'venever done something before this
lifetime and you managed topull it off.
How did you feel before?
Like, and then you do it.
(30:56):
And then you go I got this,I've done this before, I know
how I felt, I can see that I cando this again.
And you get more certainty onit because you've been able to
pull it off and present toyourself that you could pull it
off.
But you get to a point to whereyou think, yeah, I can do
(31:19):
anything, anything I want to.
Because now you've gottenyourself to a point to where
you've presented to yourself Ican win this game of chess, I
can win any game of chess.
Does that make sense?
You have to convince yourself.
By convincing yourself.
You don't even have to do that,you don't even have to do that.
(31:43):
It's sort of like saying I canhave a gallon of milk because
I've gotten milk before.
Well, at one point you'd neverbought a gallon of milk.
Well, who got you to buy agallon of milk?
You did, so.
You were able to do it in thefirst place anyway, Whether it's
a gallon of milk or buying yourfirst, whatever that sizable
(32:05):
house car, you name it, thething is is you were always,
always, capable of doing that.
The only thing that was holdingyou back was your consideration
that you couldn't do it.
Wow, I know that seems almostreductio ad absurdum, but it's
true.
And you don't have to.
You don't have to convinceyourself.
(32:27):
It's just a matter of saying Igot this and staying on that.
That's what LRH calls tone 40.
You're just putting it thereand you don't sit there and
teach it without animation.
The force is one.
I am with the force.
The force is one, I am with theforce.
The force is one, I am with theforce.
You know.
I mean it's literally in a starWars movie that these guys were
(32:50):
doing this, these jedi thathave these these powers and
everything, and it was.
It was a little silly that they, they took it that far.
But I mean that's down scale,because you don't have to do
that.
That's high tone to top of thetone scale is serenity of
beingness.
That's total.
No, that's yoda.
That's why it's called tone 40,40.0.
(33:11):
It's yoda.
You know, luke skywalker saysyou know, I'm trying.
There is no try, only do right.
And he pulls the x-wing out ofthe swamp and problem solved.
It was a mcguffin for the wholestory.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So and luke said and luke says oh my god, I don't
believe it.
He says that's just why youfail.
That's right, that is why youfail and that's great you know,
you know this is.
This is some really, really goodstuff, and I think that, more
than anything, for and I go backto what I said earlier about
(33:54):
the loving aspect of this, and Idon't know why this is on me to
talk about it, but it is issuch a loving act on behalf of
the auditor and it's such aloving act on behalf of yourself
, right, like you can loveyourself into greatness, you can
(34:18):
love yourself into rightness,you can love yourself into
survival and better survival.
You can love yourself into thisthing.
And the way you start doing it,I think, is to having a
conversation with yourself.
One thing about an auditor, anauditor's job is to listen and
compute.
That's what an auditor doesjust listens and computes, helps
(34:39):
you compute these things.
And so you're really havingthis conversation with yourself,
but you're doing it with thefacilitation and the and the
guidance of an auditor to helpyou to, like you say it and do
it again when you said it Okay,take a look at it.
Okay, do it again.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Take a look.
Will you take a look?
Yeah, take a look, take a look.
And so you start looking at itfrom the different sides of a
clock 12, three o'clock, sixo'clock, 12, 3 o'clock, 6
o'clock, 9 o'clock, 12 o'clockand then you go oh, that was a
weird consideration that I had,right?
Yeah, so that's.
(35:20):
The deal is, you've gotyourself wrapped up in a bunch
of little filaments of linenthat you can pull yourself out
of, but you've got yourselfsnookered into a point to where
you think that you can't dothese things because you've made
all these decisions that areholding you back, and that's all
(35:41):
there is to it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, and I never looked at it that way, because
you're really looking at thisthing from a truly
multidimensional viewpoint,right, like this is what the
axioms come in is aboutviewpoints, but you're looking
at viewpoints and dimensionpoints.
You're looking at this thingfrom a multidimensional
viewpoint, like I can see thisthing from many different
(36:05):
dimensional shifts.
Okay, I can look at it this waythere's a movie, um, there's a
movie.
There's a movie called vantage.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
It's called vantage and in the movie.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
It's a great movie, yeah, from all the different
perspectives yeah, at first Ididn't like it because I'm like
I'm just seeing the same thingover and over again.
It's okay, I know that, butwhen, um, but when I went back
and watched it a second time, Iwas like this is a really
interesting movie because you'reseeing the same situation, the
same incident, from multipledifferent vantage points or
(36:36):
vantages, and thismultidimensional viewpoint on
what is happening or whathappened in your lived
experience, and you get to belike, oh my God, and it's like,
and like you said about watchinga movie, when you're watching
this movie the viewer watches itand be like I wouldn't go in
(36:58):
that room if I were.
You Like, oh my God, girl, step, step, back, run.
The viewer is saying this, butfrom the vantage point of the
person in the movie, she don'tsee the killer behind the couch.
You know what I mean, orwhatever.
And so it's just so interestingthat how this technology works
and how this really really helpsa person to really especially
(37:22):
with grade one see problems wetalk about overcoming obstacles
see these problems from thesedifferent viewpoints where you
actually can solve them.
This is not something aboutcoping, this is not just to cope
you through it and we're gonnahelp you breathe in exercises
and we're gonna help you.
Listen, I don't want nobreathing exercise, I want this
(37:48):
thing gone.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, and one of the auditing processes that really
works is the problems ofcomparable magnitude.
It's very, very therapeutic.
So, you know, I can't seem toget into the college that I want
to get into.
Okay, think of a problem that'sbigger than this.
Okay, think of another problemthat's bigger than this.
(38:12):
Okay, think of another problemthat's bigger than this.
Think of another problem that'sbigger than this.
And so you get to the point towhere you're like, well, this is
, this is nothing you know, it's, it's, it's that sort of that,
that viewpoint of what do I haveto be thankful for I can
overcome this, because it couldbe a lot worse.
You could be dying, yeah, Icould, whatever.
(38:34):
But when you start to look, atthat.
But the other thing is that, tothe degree that you agree with
those around you and their tonelevel and the way that they see
things, that's as much of anobstacle to you achieving what
it is that you want to achieve.
What are you buying into, basedoff of the people that are
(38:55):
around you, the company you keep?
In other words, because inorder to be an ARC with someone,
you have to drop in tone level.
In order to be an ARC, thehigher tone selectively gives.
So if you're around a bunch ofpeople who are underachievers,
(39:15):
you're going to be anunderachiever because you've
bought into that narrative.
You need to be around highertone individuals.
That's why he says OTs workbetter in numbers and sometimes
it's impossible to find peoplethat are higher tone and you
have to just go it alone.
And when you get away from thatand you do these things
(39:35):
yourself, you find that all of asudden, a lot of the resistance
that you were running into theheadwinds are no longer there,
because their influence is notyour influence.
And that is something you haveto look at as well, because your
parents are saying, ah, you'llnever make it as a musician, you
don't have what it takes, yougot no talent, kid, give it up.
(39:57):
Okay, now you're done for,because these are the people
that you're looking at asopinion leaders.
The only opinion that matters isyours.
That's a postulate itself, orreverse it, everybody else's
(40:17):
opinion.
They say that I can't do this.
They say that I can't do that.
Everybody, everybody, runs intothis.
Don't believe it.
Don't believe it.
You're only seeing the worldthrough their failures because
they believe it themselves.
That's it.
That's all there is to it.
But these are parts of engrams,and these engrams have
postulates and you're like, yeah, they know what they're talking
about.
Dad's always been right.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
um, no good, can't do anything yeah, and you and you
start, and you start to actuallyuh, um, covertly, like kind of
prove them right.
You'll sabotage yourself ifyou're not careful.
You'll sabotage yourself toprove them right, like, oh, my
mom always told me that he wasgoing to break my heart Right,
(41:01):
he was going to cheat on me, hewas going to break my heart,
this was going to happen.
They always say you can't trust,you start to go into agreement
with them to prove them right.
And it's such a weirdphenomenon because it's like you
don't want that to be your,your lived experience, and yet
you, you find the way, or find away, to prove them right about
(41:22):
who you are, about what you'reexperiencing in the universe.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
So it's kind of messed up actually, yeah, it's
all about agreement and thatagreement, agreement, is a
powerful thing.
You have to learn to disagree.
You have to disagree, have todisagree with what it is that
you're getting that ispreventing you from doing things
A lot of times.
You know, I mean, you have lotsof arbitraries and it's
(41:45):
important to mention arbitraries, lots of arbitraries, and it's
important to mention arbitraries, lots of arbitraries in the way
, well, I have to do this and Ihave to do that, and there's
this license that needs to bedone, and I have to get this tax
number and I have to.
And then you just look at itand you get overwhelmed and you
give up.
But you're agreeing with thesethings and elliott says you have
(42:05):
to get a bright idea, okay, andthat.
That that's a little.
Now we're starting to get intothe territory of fake it till
you make it.
But see, fake it till you makeit is you disagreeing with all
of these things and you're justsaying, okay, I can do this
because I mean, you know you'renot going to go in and be a
brain surgeon.
Faking it till you make it,okay, let's just be honest,
(42:27):
honest.
But the thing is you've got tostart somewhere and you have to
disagree and once you get oneleg over the fence, you can get
another leg over the fence as abeing and go.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Okay, I did that, I can do this so so is it easier
this is just a question, I don'tknow if there's any data on it,
but is it easier to disagree orto agree first, like should we
like find those things that wedon't want in our experience,
(42:57):
and like I disagree with that.
Like my spiritual teacher usedto say, I would never be broken
another day in my life, and hewould say he would kind of make
that be you know, I would neverbe broken another day in my life
.
I would never be broken anotherday in my life, and he would
say he would kind of make thatbe you know, I would never be
broken another day in my life.
I would never be broken anotherday in my life, and that would
be his way of kind of likedisagreeing with poverty or
whatever, or mediocrity orsomething like that and that
(43:20):
goes along with.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I mean, a really simple place to get started is
the code of honor in independentScientology.
I get that is the code of honor, because that that is the bare
bones thing that you can use andgo.
Okay, I don't need anybody'sapproval for shit.
My, my considerations are seniorto everybody else's and once,
(43:45):
once you get a win for me, right, there is just yeah once you
get a win, okay, fine, but right, there is yeah, once you get a
win, okay fine, but the thing isyou've got to start somewhere.
It's innately with you and thenthe best thing that you can do
is get yourself educated on thelaws of the universe.
Grab a copy of Scientology 0 to8 and read the Scientology
(44:07):
axioms, read the Dianetic axioms, understand the cues and the
logics and really demo those out.
And now you're looking at itfrom a clean slate and go okay,
I don't have to agree with anyof this stuff.
I don't have to agree that it'sgoing to take forever to get up
the ridge.
I don't have to agree that I'mgoing to have to better, have a
better job in order to to live ahappy life.
(44:28):
No, because again we go back to.
You know, the love you feel isthe love you create, for example
, and if you can do that, whichpretty much everybody, everybody
does you can make yourself saythat again, the love you feel is
the love you create.
I love that how you feel aboutsomebody or something.
(44:53):
That's how you feel when you goback and you look at a
particular point in your lifewhere you were feeling really
great, really great aboutsomething and you go yeah, man,
I haven't felt that in a longtime.
Well, what's stopping you, kid?
What's stopping you?
Mm-hmm, there's nothingstopping you?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
What's stopping you from feeling that again, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Mock that shit up, yeah, you know.
Because what are you doing ifyou're not feeling that way?
You're mocking that shit up.
You're mocking up the notfeeling of it, right, right,
right.
So just flip it, flip thescript and go okay, you know, I
can pull all this stuff off.
Like LRA says, you know, smileand you'll soon start feeling
(45:36):
like you have something to smileabout.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
It's just all of these otherinfluences that you have in your
life.
Put that goddamn phone down,stay away from the TV, stay away
from the newspapers, go out andtake a walk in nature, do a
location and start makingyourself feel that way and all
(45:57):
of a sudden, guess what?
The phone starts ringing.
You start outflowing, Phonestarts ringing more.
And what I mean by the phonestarts ringing, you know you're
getting info, Opportunities yeah.
That which you outflow, thatemotion that you outflow, that
certainty of emotion that yououtflow, is what you're going to
(46:17):
receive If you're a victim.
You're going to pull inflowsthat create you to be a victim
to validate that which you'remocking up.
That's it, and it sounds sosimple, because it is.
It's just that you've gotyourself convinced that you'd
much rather mock up one thingthan another.
(46:37):
So you know a feeling andemotion.
What is emotion?
Lra says emotion is used to geta desired result.
Think about that for a moment.
What is the desired resultyou're getting when you feel
like you're not capable of doinganything?
You're validating your owndecision that you're not capable
of doing anything.
That's a consideration, that'sa postulate.
(46:59):
Change it, change it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's that simple.
It doesn't matter what's in thereactive mind.
You can overcome that bydeciding.
I have and am overcoming that.
What do I need to do?
Take a step.
Take another step.
Now do something else.
Take a step.
Take another step.
Start putting these things in.
Get in good shape, exercise, gofor a walk, run, go to the gym,
(47:29):
go bike riding.
Be creative.
You start creating.
You're going to start creatingpositive things.
It's that simple.
You just have to get somemomentum.
The physical universe has acalm lag of about six weeks at
the bottom of the bridge.
The physical universe has nocalm lag at the top of the
bridge.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Interesting Wait that .
Oh, my God, you're droppingthese pearls.
So so the physical universe hasa calm lag of about six weeks
at the bottom of the bridge.
So when a person is feeling lowtone and they try to change
this, it like it might take aminute to for the, for the lived
experience to catch up.
So don't, so don't, start doingthese.
I'm gonna decide right now I'ma millionaire or whatever.
(48:13):
You're doing all this stuff,and then two weeks later you'll
be like I can't even get a job,you know, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, right, you can't do it that way yeah, don't
, don't, don't take a loss,don't take a loss.
You need to understand yeah youknow the the the best way to to
describe it is you got to waitfor the letter to get there,
because the letter isn't goingto do any good unless it gets to
the terminal, and the terminalis you've got this quicksand and
(48:42):
you're trying to walk out ofthe quicksand and you blow out
and then you start getting intothe swamp and you find there's
less resistance and then it'sjust water and then you're on
land.
Don't give yourself a loss.
Don't give yourself a loss.
It isn't going to happenovernight.
If anybody, anybody, doesn'thave patience with themselves,
(49:03):
knock it off.
It's.
And I'm going to make thisindication.
It's not you.
You are a Satan in the physicaluniverse.
This universe is very solid.
It's going to take some time.
Don't let it get you down.
My superpower is persistence ona given course, and I know I
(49:26):
will get there.
And I mean no, you can do thistoo, and you just have to
acknowledge it and admire it andgo ah, this is taking a long
time, but I'm going to get there.
Keep going, keep going.
Put your pants one leg at atime, get out of bed.
Three days, four days.
You keep doing this.
(49:47):
You're gonna start seeingresults and the flows are gonna
start coming in, but you justhave to be patient with it.
Get some auditing.
You'll find things speed up andthey speed up and it's not
taking as long you see.
So that's the whole thing is.
The only thing stopping you isyour own impatience with your
own ability to postulate and getit to manifest, and we've had a
(50:08):
podcast about this and this isimportant.
Okay, you have thisconfirmation bias.
That's your headwind.
That's your headwind.
Well, I don't see any changeyet.
Fuck this.
Right, that is your ownconfirmation bias.
Knock that shit off.
Okay, that's going to change.
When you get up the bridge,you'll make postulates so fast
(50:31):
you scare yourself.
They're just bam, right there,right there, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom, boom.
But you've got to get all thisother crap out of the way, and
the only way to do that is bepatient with yourself.
Admire the system the way thatit is, and I know that's hard,
but you just go.
What a beautiful contraptionthis physical universe is in
(50:51):
this reactive mind.
Get in session, get in sessionand we have a release that's
coming out real soon, real soon.
That's going to allow you toget in session cheaper than you
ever imagined and get book oneDianetics Cheaper, more reliable
, anytime you want, as long asyou're sessionable, well-fed,
(51:13):
well-rested, no drugs, noalcohol.
I'm telling you everything isgoing to change very, very soon.
There will be nothing stoppingyou, okay, and we got your back.
There will be nothing stoppingyou.
Okay, and we got your back.
We want you to succeed and weknow you will succeed.
(51:34):
It's not.
Can you will Decide it,disagree with it?
Admire all of this crazyslowness and this physical
universe.
Calm, like time doesn't meananything.
Distance doesn't mean anything.
You got this, we've got this.
Yeah, we've got you.
So we hope this has beeninspiring and we're a little
(51:59):
over an hour here.
So we're going to let you gofor today and, if you have any
questions, comment below onYouTube.
We'd love to see your commentsand get a dialogue going.
Otherwise, we'll see youWednesday.
Arthur will be back with us andwe will be here for another
podcast.
So for Quentin Stroud andmyself, namaste, and we love you
(52:19):
, bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Peace, thank you, thank you, thanks for watching.
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