January 29, 2025 • 54 mins
Can a board game reveal the secrets of life's greatest institutions? Join us as Quenton takes us on a thrilling journey, with an intense game of Monopoly serving as a metaphor for the monopolistic control often exercised by organized religion. We explore the competitive strategies required to win in Monopoly and draw parallels to how religious organizations capture and maintain spiritual influence. Delving into capitalism's role in spiritual practices, we challenge the status quo and discuss the importance of fostering spiritual growth beyond traditional boundaries.
Life isn’t just a serious game; it’s one where the rules are yours to rewrite. Reflecting on experiences with various spiritual communities, we call for unity and cooperation in the independent Scientology field. Drawing inspiration from the epic saga of Star Wars, we emphasize the importance of following your true calling and trusting in the natural order of things. Personal triumphs and struggles illustrate how aligning with your passion can lead to success, offering a powerful reminder of the importance of investing in what truly matters.
Discover the transformative power of personal growth and spirituality as we prioritize investments in the self over material possessions. The metaphor of Monopoly illustrates the value of taking control of your life and embracing new concepts. Inspired by the teachings of LRH, we encourage listeners, including Quenton and Arthur, to embark on their journey up the bridge, offering support and shared wisdom. Join us for a fulfilling exploration of how to master your own game of life, and begin embracing the abundance of spiritual gifts waiting for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey everybody, welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast.
I'm trying to vary the openinggreetings just to make it
interesting, so it doesn't soundlike I'm just cutting and
pasting or anything like that.
Season 10, episode 17.
This will be our 133rdscientology outside of the
(00:27):
church podcast.
133rd, nice, nice, we.
We haven't.
We haven't run out of subjectsyet, and so this is going to be
an off the cuff.
We'll figure out the name of it.
Sometimes it's better to hitrecord instead of talk about it,
because some of the best stuffhappens before and after.
(00:47):
If we had all the stuff fromafter and before for our
podcasts as as editing forouttakes, you guys would be
blown away.
Some things that come up andwe're like God, why didn't we
say that?
So, yeah, yeah, quentin.
Quentin had the idea, startingwith the, the, the germ of
(01:10):
monopoly.
So where are we headed withthis, quentin?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
well, you know, it's interesting because I'm a huge
fan of monopoly and I'm talkingabout the game and we have been
talking about games theory and,and you know, in the most recent
post podcast, and I'm a hugefan of Monopoly and I'm a fan so
much that when I play I playhard, like I really play
(01:36):
Monopoly hard.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You play for blood.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I play for blood and I do my best.
This is how you win the game.
If you ever want to know, I domy best to exhaust all of my
resources on acquiring moreright, more.
I literally keep my account, myfunds, down to like five bucks
(02:12):
just to buy property or just tobuy houses or just to buy
whatever Right.
And still, as the gameprogresses, people start coming
to me for everything.
I want you to hear where we'regoing with this.
I believe that there is amonopoly on religion.
I believe that there's amonopoly on spirituality.
(02:33):
I believe that people ororganizations, if you will, try
to create this monopoly so that,in order for you to, so that in
order for you to live and existand move around the board of
life, you got to come through me, you got to come through us,
that kind of thing, right, and Ithink that as independent
(02:56):
Scientologists, we kind of havea anti-monopoly kind of
viewpoint, right, yeah, and Ithink that's really interesting,
i't know that's where I camefrom.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
For it.
Well, what I, what?
I'm sorry no, go ahead, arthur,that's fine because I don't know
about you guys, but mostmemories I have of playing the
game monopoly is everybody goesin to win, and I don't know
about you guys, but towards theend there's a lot of arguing
that starts.
There's a lot of arguing thatstarts occurring.
There's a lot of emotions thatstart coming up just from this
(03:30):
one bloody game.
And I don't recall that manygames that didn't end up with
some kind of disgruntlednessfrom someone or somebody trying
to cheat.
And it's funny that you'vechosen Monopoly, because it's
very much like us, isn't it?
Very much so?
(03:51):
Where all these naturalemotions start to really emerge,
people's survival instinctsstart to kick in.
They'll cheat, they'll getangry, they'll toss the board,
they'll do all those kinds ofthings.
So go ahead, john.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, I look at this from the viewpoint of flows and
the first thing that pops intomy head, when Quentin was
talking and it's been I'm tryingto listen and think at the same
time.
And um, ellen rate says whatprice freedom?
What price freedom?
(04:34):
And you, you have to askyourself that and and I, I think
I it was quite a while back, itmight have been when I was
doing podcasts with Jason youhave to look at capitalism and
(04:57):
the way capitalism works andyou're charging somebody.
You get an object, you get anitem, you have a product and you
either make it or you buy itand you put an additional amount
on top of it and say, okay,this is how I make money, by
(05:18):
buying something cheaper andselling it higher.
The entire planet revolvesaround this aberration.
Higher planet revolves aroundthis aberration.
And, it's been said, othercivilizations that come here,
the higher toned ones, becauseplease disabuse yourself of the
(05:40):
idea that just because they havefaster than light travel,
they're all good guys, itdoesn't mean a goddamn thing,
and so we're on our own here.
So, to get back to this, how isit that you have any kind of a
religion?
And, of course, you're alreadyput into the situation.
(06:04):
How does the church, how doesthe church survive?
We have people that say, well,shouldn't Scientology be free?
You know what?
Why do I have to pay forauditing, you know?
And and I just, I don't evenfall out of my chair anymore
because there's, there has to besome sort of exchange.
That goes on.
That goes on there, and and and, of course you need to keep the
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lights on and everything,because we're all endemic to
this thing, because you have tosurvive or you need money to
keep the lights on.
But the thing is is last night Ihad a student and I'm sure
they're going to hear thispodcast, I'm not going to use
any names.
I had a student that was askingme about their OT levels, how
much it was going to cost, andthey're on the solo course and
everything.
And when I told him the priceof it, he said have I told you
(06:52):
how much I love you?
And that's the point.
I said I'm not getting rich ondoing this or anything like that
.
But the thing is is I need moreOTs.
So I need more OTs to put thisorganization here that are gonna
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and I understand that there isan inherent risk in that that
just because I get somebody upon the OT levels doesn't mean
that they're gonna stick withthe organization and help the
organization grow.
That's just the chance I take.
But the idea is that as you geta person up the OT levels,
they're going to see and they'regoing to be more interested and
(07:33):
they can't do this alone.
And the same person said thatthey wanted to get trained as an
auditor afterwards because theyrealized from what they'd been
studying on the solo course thatthey needed this information
and how much it's changed theirlife.
So when you're talking aboutmonopoly and you're looking at
what independent Dianetics andScientology offer you and you
(07:56):
don't have some ferryman that'ssaying, well, I need you to pay
for all of these otherextraneous things, the IAS
$10,000 for meters, all of thisstuff that you have to have
again.
You have to have in order to doScientology, in order to be an
OT.
That's really upside down andbackwards.
(08:17):
And in religion there's thismonopoly that's created on this
planet through capitalism thatthey want to get something out
of you.
They want to.
I'm sorry, I'm just going tosay it.
This is my viewpoint.
They want to own you and sayyou can't do this unless you
pass, go the church with themeters, for example.
The meters, the new Mark 8s,they check back through their
(08:43):
router on there and if you'renot in good standing they shut
your meter off.
So you just bought $10,000worth of a doorstop if you don't
do what they say.
Now, if that's not monopoly, Idon't know what is.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Quentin.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, well, you know it's interesting because I
consider myself a capitalist.
I call myself a compassionatecapitalist, right, I consider
myself a compassionatecapitalist and I look at
everything from energetic flowsas well.
And how does a church survive?
How does an organizationsurvive?
I actually don't look at itfrom the perspective of just
keeping the lights on.
(09:20):
I look at it as an endowment oftheta.
Lights on, I look at it as anendowment of theta.
And what I do in my own work isI endow theta, I grant
beingness, I put a person in aposition where they themselves
are capable of becoming all thatthey're capable of becoming.
(09:44):
And the exchange, the, theenergetic exchange which in
layman terms, we call money, theenergetic exchange, really is
for that endowment of energy.
It's not even for my time.
It's not for my time, it's notfor my lights, because I live in
southeast asia, my lights arecheap.
You know what I mean.
So it's not about any of that.
It's actually the endowment ofTheta that I then say now, in
(10:09):
order for me to be more, morecapable I don't know if that's
the right word More willing.
I use the word more willing toendow you and others with more
theta.
This is the exchange that I set.
So, you know, when you juststarted talking about
(10:31):
organization and flows and stufflike that, I was like, okay,
that makes sense, I get that.
So there's this monopoly ofreligion and whether it be
Catholicism or you know, ormainstream fundamentalists or
non-denominational Christianity,whatever, whatever, there's
this monopoly of religion andall of them, all of them seem to
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require there be an energeticexchange.
We call money exchange, we callmoney.
And I then look at this thingand I say, okay, thomas
Jefferson said it this way.
He said empty your wallet tofill your mind and your mind
will fill your wallet.
And I look at for me, this isjust for me.
(11:21):
Now I look at Scientology likethat Empty your wallet to fill
your mind and your mind willfill your wallet.
And it has been absolutely truefor me right where, when, when,
when I didn't even have what Ineeded to, you know, do the
thing with you, jonathan, andand and go up the bridge and pay
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and my entire bridge.
I didn't really have it.
But by deciding and going withthat for me, that axiom, in my
opinion, empty your wallet tofill your mind and your mind
will fill your wallet.
It works.
If you work, it Okay.
And so when I think about thisfrom a monopoly perspective and
(12:06):
you just self-art just said itis how we play the game and I, I
zero out my little, my littlepaper money, and monopoly, I
zero it out.
I'm down to five dollars and ifI hit, if I hit on somebody
else's property, I'm like dangyou know what, let me go ahead
and mortgage this one, let me goahead and mortgage that.
When I flip it over and I paytheir people off and I keep on
(12:27):
going and get some more money,get some more, get some more
property.
And that's how I've, that's howI always win.
I empty my wallet to fill mymind and my mind fills my wallet
.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Arthur, you want to go or you want me to.
You look like something'sforming.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You want to go or you want me to you look like
something's forming, because Ithink Monopoly is a really good
analogy on these games that wedo live.
So I think that's a great topicto choose, because it is a game
and it's a game of wit as well,and what's interesting is with
that particular game is howrelevant it actually is.
(13:05):
So I'm going to pose a littledifferent question in the sense
of okay, so we have this gamethat teaches us how to play
games in this life, and if weapply that to religion, then
sure you know which.
Which monopoly, which versionof monopoly, are you going to
buy?
Are you going to buy the starwars one?
Are you going to buy thechristian one?
Are you going to buy themuslimopoly are you going to buy
?
Are you going to buy the StarWars one?
Are you going to buy theChristian one?
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Are you going to buy the Muslimone?
Are you going to buy theScientology one?
Which Monopoly board are yougoing to purchase to start with?
And so you've got a choicethere to make.
But what?
I find interesting about thewhole thing.
And what I find interestingabout the whole thing is, like
it or not, it's a game you kindof have to play and, like we're
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already, as kids, we're alreadybeing taught this is how to play
the game, which means it makesit very difficult to choose a
different game.
So you walk up to the toy storeand you've got a wall of
different versions of Monopolysets, but there's no other games
(14:13):
in the store, it's justMonopoly.
And so which one are you goingto purchase?
And you might buy the Star Warsone and think you know what I
don't like the Star Wars one.
I'm going to buy the Star Trekone, but you've already invested
in the Star Wars one.
To buy the Star Trek one, butyou've already invested in the
Star Wars one.
Now you're going to jump shitto the Star Trek one.
You have to start the gameagain.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There's so many ways you can look at this.
Yeah, there's so many ways youcan look at this, but the trick
is you still have to learn howto play the game.
And, what's interesting,depending on which board you
choose, the rules are stillexactly the same yeah, all you
have is is different experiencesyou're right, this is really
(14:58):
good.
You have different experiencesdifferent colors go around
different.
Different colors differentlittle.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, that's right, but, and maybe even different
denominations or different costsfor boardwalk or or, or, or
coruscant, or whatever the nameof the the planet is that you
land on, or whatever.
Yeah, but it's different.
Different, uh, denominations,but it's the same flow, it's the
same.
You go around this way, youkeep going, you know you can
(15:26):
look hard and say, go back to go, oh, I gotta go, gotta go back
to go.
Why can't, why can't I beatthis one?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
you know that's right and it's funny, because it's
just a shifting of letters,colors and ideas, but the game
is exactly the same.
It's exactly the same, doesn'tmatter what color it is, it
doesn't matter what go is,whether they call it go shoot,
fly um endeavor, it doesn'tmatter.
(15:54):
You still start from the samesquare and you end up back at
the same square.
But that journey from go backto go is different every single
time, because every time youroll those dice you're going to
land somewhere new, somewhereelse.
Yeah, be a trap, it could be abenefit.
You know how you're going tohandle it.
I love it it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You know, I think about my past, other boards that
I've played on the Jehovah'sWitness board or the metaphysics
board or the magic board orwhatever.
I think about all the boardsthat I've played on and I can
honestly remember, based on whatyou're saying now.
I can honestly remember goingall out when I was a Jehovah's
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Witness.
I could knock a door down, Icould, saturday morning, you go
meet me, I was in it, boy, andso it was just.
That's just how I play the game, man.
It's how I play the game and Ireally, really love that seeing
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life as a game and even seeingour spiritual journey as a game
and something that we can enjoy,even though sometimes it can be
hard, even though sometimes Idon't know if I got enough money
to hit.
If I hit, oh.
If I land on something else,it's going to be another.
I don't know if I got enoughmoney to hit.
If I hit, oh, if I land onsomething else, it's going to be
another, oh gosh.
You know, and you're goingthrough all that mental anguish,
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but it's really teaching yousomething about how you view
money, about how you view youknow, how you view the rules of
engagement, how you view otherplayers If you don't get along
with other people along the way.
You know, one thing about beingan independent Scientologist
that I've noticed is that Iwould like for there to be more
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community within the independentScientology field.
I would like for us all to playthe game in community and not
feel like, oh, if you step on myproperty then we have a problem
here, that kind of thing.
I would like there to be more,and I think ALGP is poised to be
(18:03):
that unifier is poised to bethe thing that says, hey, listen
, no, no, no, we all canparticipate, we all can show up,
we all can be a part of this,and that's what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
uh, that's why I think we have the anti-trust,
the anti-monopoly viewpoint inplaying this game yeah, but
imagine, right, imagine if youcould start learning the ability
to start controlling whatnumbers the dices will roll.
What does the game, what doesthe game look like then?
(18:37):
These are not the toys you'relooking for exactly, exactly
everybody listeners.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The listeners have been like jonathan's, been
unusually quiet all right, allright, john, hit us with it well
, preach john lrh says the workwas free.
Keep it so.
Okay, he spent his own money todo all the research based off
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of books that he sold andeverything like that.
And, uh, at the end of it all,supposedly I can't confirm or
deny this, but he had like 400million when he dropped the body
and that was stolen from himand his family, his wife, his
children and everything by DavidMiscavige and company and the
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Sherman Lenskys and all thatstuff.
So you know, it's true youcan't take it with you, but the
point of the reason why I'mbringing this up is you can make
investments in the physicaluniverse and everybody needs to
survive because we're all inthis game, whether we want to be
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or not.
You can't just go take food,you can barter.
I mean, especially in SoutheastAsia.
I got a chicken, can I havesome?
Well, I know what's coconuts,let's just say, cause coconuts
are prevalent, you know whereyou're at and you, you can
barter with farmers and thingslike that and you don't don't
need money, but that doesn'tkeep the electricity on, unless
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the electricity company wantschickens or coconuts.
But the point is, if you'redoing something in the direction
of theta, okay, money willfollow, it will follow you.
Okay, Money is a side effectAmen, brother, a side effect of
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what you are, who you are andwhat you're doing.
And if you feel and this, justGod, this is gonna just sound so
hokey to people but if you'rereally doing what your calling
is, if you're really doing whatyou should be doing, the money
definitely follows.
Like we've been bringing upStar Wars a lot, in episode one,
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qui-gon Jinn says to a youngObi-Wan Kenobi a solution will
present itself.
I just got goosebumps justsaying that, yes, because it
isn't something that I just gotfrom a movie and I threw it out
on a podcast.
It is something I see everygoddamn day, every goddamn day.
And we've talked aboutconfirmation, bias and
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postulates and how do you knowthat this is going to do that
and da-da-da-da-da.
And trust the process.
Yeah, you have to.
You have to trust the processand the only way you're going to
know about that is if youinvest in a certain
quote-unquote property, but thatproperty is theta.
If you flow power to thingsthat flow you power.
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Okay, in this case, it could beyourself, it could be AOGP, it
could be independent Scientologyand doing something for
somebody else and introducingthem to it and making their life
better.
Money will follow Survival.
Let's just say, let's just takemoney out of the equation.
Survival will follow to thedegree that you are promoting
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survival across the dynamics.
It's that simple.
I struggled for two and a halfdecades doing another business
because I didn't have any othersolution.
It was the original solutionwhen I was 18 years old and then
I joined staff and then I gotback into it in 1993 and I did
it for two and a half decadesand I struggled and I struggled
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and I struggled.
I wasted my youth on a constantdanger condition, from one day
to the next one year to the nextone month, whatever.
And then I started my OT levelsafter my mom died and I thought
I got to do this now because mymom was pretty young when she
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died and I looked at it andthought I'm not interested in
doing any kind of life continuumthing here or anything like
that, because I'd just seen herdo that with her father, who had
passed away six months earlier.
She checked out.
So I invested.
I didn't invest in myself, Iinvested in data, because what
you're doing when you go up thebridge and you're playing this
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game Monopoly when you go up thebridge.
I didn't my OT7 success story.
I said I didn't really care forpeople that much before I
finished OT7.
I didn't like it.
That's why I did what I did fortwo and a half years and I paid
a really high price in thelongevity of the body and
wasting all this time.
Whatever you wanna say, but Imean, the thing that I learned
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from it is that wasn't the wayfor me and it wasn't where my
heart was, where my interestswere.
My interest was in helpingpeople, but I had to help myself
and then I realized I have tobe helping other people.
This is my calling, and thathas to do with investing in a
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property that is not tangible.
It's investing in theta.
And when you do that foryourself and for other people,
you're playing an entirelydifferent game of monopoly than
buying a piece of real estate,flipping it and so on.
That's great.
You can have all the money inthe world.
But are you really happy?
Happiness is if your ethics arein.
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So what kind of game, what kindof monopoly game do religions
play?
You see these people who andI'm not downing any religion and
they say that they're happy andthey believe in this God or
that God or whatever, and theygo to church on Sunday and all
of that stuff.
But if you look at what we getfrom what we do, it's a
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completely different thing.
Now, maybe I'm biased, but whatI have and what I see and how I
can help people, and everything, nothing compares in this game
of monopoly.
Nothing compares.
It's exciting to me whensomebody finishes an auditing
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level.
It's exciting to me whensomebody gets to be clear.
It's exciting to me and it'snot a question of pride, it's a.
I just changed this being'slife forever Forever.
And that's to me that's morethan all of the gold in Fort
(25:13):
Knox or anything else like that,because as I do that, I see
that a difference has been made,not that I did the difference.
A difference has been made forthat person and now they can
carry the torch and they can dothe same thing.
To me, that's the game ofmonopoly.
That's important is realizingthat there's an awful lot here
that you don't know about.
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That's right in front of youand all you have to do is reach,
do and complete and put onefoot fate and foot in front of
the other and get there andyou're going to see things are
entirely different than what youthought they were.
You don't know what's there.
So that's what I have to sayabout that.
I can't convey it in wordsbecause it isn't something that
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you can put in the physicaluniverse and go that, because
it's not matter energy, spaceand time.
It is something completelydifferent, and to explain it to
people there's just no way to doit.
You have to get there first,and that's it's so profound I.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I just I don't know how to say it well, you know, I
what I like about, um, thisviewpoint right, is that in the
game of Monopoly, you do startoff with an endowment of like
1500 Monopoly books, or whateverthey call them.
(26:42):
Now, you do start off with anendowment and I think that if we
look at this similarly, each ofus we have an endowment.
We have our own endowment ofenergy, we have our endowment of
theta.
Wherever you are, whereveryou're working with, you have
your endowment as you make yourmoves, as you make your choices,
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listen to the words, as youmake your decisions on what to
do and where to put yourendowment, put your energy, put
your funds, put your attention,so forth and so on.
I'm preaching to myself becauseJonathan asked me at the
beginning of the podcast, beforewe came on.
He was like are you going to beable to work on your course
while you're traveling, on mysolo course while you're
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traveling?
And I was like, yeah, and it'slike, as we make our moves
around the board of life, whereare we putting our attention?
What choices are we making?
What are we prioritizing?
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You could prioritize Netflix.
You could prioritize thebarbecue that you're going to
have on Saturday.
You could prioritize whatever,you, whatever, and this whole
idea that those things that wemake so important to us, right?
You know, we used to haveChristmas.
When my son was young, we usedto have Christmas and then, when
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he turned 13, I said no moreChristmas gifts.
Instead of Christmas gifts, youget Christmas trips.
I said so every winter break.
Instead of you giving me a listof stuff you want, give me a
list of countries, and we'regoing to see what we can do to
make it work.
And I did that because I wantedhim to get out of this.
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You know, you know he's ateenager and teenagers like
stuff, you know, like new gamesand new shoes and new whatever.
But I wanted him to get out ofthat whole modality of just
getting more stuff and I wantedhim to gain experiences.
I wanted him to gain culture.
You know what I mean.
I wanted him to gain somethingdifferent.
And so we started in ourhousehold, we started
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prioritizing travel versusprioritizing materialism, and I
only make that point to say thatyou have an endowment of
attention.
You have an endowment of energy.
You have an endowment of time.
You have an endowment whateveryou're working with of energy.
You have endowment of time.
You have an endowment whateveryou're working with and you get
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to choose how you use it.
And with this conversation thatwe're having right now with you
, do you want to use thisendowment of energy towards
something that's going to changeeverything, that you really can
win this game and I win when Ibleed all the time.
Okay, who played me?
(29:39):
I beat you Period.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And because I'm willing, right and it's because
I'm willing to go for broke.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I'm willing to go for it.
I'm willing to put my all intoit in order to come out with the
most at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
That's just me.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and.
If I may, maybe so to enter ina private viewpoint, one of the
one of the things I've seen seenwith with Quentin since he
finished his L11 and he attestedto clear and I've run into this
problem with other people isthey feel so rejuvenated and L11
(30:28):
has to do with doing this thatthey want to go out and they
want to play that game.
They want to go out and playthe game because they, they,
they have this newfound, they,they got some sort of a, a
booster engine and strapped itto their ass and they can go out
and they can do all of thesethings and go out and play the
game of life.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and, toinfinity and beyond.
(30:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and that, and that's the liability of a
technology just doing that onething.
That one thing is I'm playingall these games and I can go out
and do this and I can do thatand everything, and it almost
becomes a distraction.
It almost becomes a distractionbecause it's like you got Harry
(31:12):
Potter's wand and say somethingin Latin and you point your
wand and there it is and that'syou know.
That's great, that it providesthat, but again, like Quentin
was saying, you have to.
You have to prioritize what itis that you're doing and not get
(31:33):
too sidetracked by all of theamazing things that you can do
in life, because that's I mean,you've barely gotten started,
even though that's one, probablyone of the biggest things that
a person has experienced.
So you have to decide whereyou're going to go on the
monopoly board next and how muchyou're going to invest in
something.
That's what prioritization isabout is what's the most
(31:54):
important thing.
And yes, it's difficult whenyou have these abilities, but
you have to put that energy andthat create those postulates
into an area that gets you evenfurther, because you ain't seen
nothing yet, you really haven't,and it's hard to describe in
words.
(32:15):
Quentin, can you describe whatit is that you've gotten?
And this isn't an advertisementfor AOGP services.
I don't give a shit where youdo your services.
I do in the fact that if you doyour services, you need to do
your due diligence and you needto find out what it is that this
person is doing, whetherthey're qualified to do it, have
they gotten products, do theyhave a track record and all of
(32:42):
this stuff?
We get tons of people that wantus to fix them, from other
people that they've receivedauditing, and we hear really
gross stuff and I don't meangross as in visceral type thing,
but really out tech things.
I don't care where you do it,as long as you get it done right
.
And it's hard to know whatyou're getting when you're the
pc and you don't know how toaudit.
That's why we do these podcastsand we're trying to educate
people and everything.
(33:03):
So I just want to give that asa preamble.
But back to quentin.
This isn't an ad.
Yeah, what, what, what have youexperienced?
What?
What you know with, with l11?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
it's interesting because I think Art really hit
on it when he said and y'alldidn't catch it, so I'm going to
say it again Art said whathappens when you can control the
dice.
Right, I hear this.
I found in my, the gains andthe wins that I've experienced
(33:42):
after L11, after going clear andso forth and so on, what I've,
and even even just in my solocourse and even in the stuff
that that Jonathan has sharedwith me just in tech, because
sometimes Jonathan I just likeJonathan has conversations with
me and he'll just share sometech and I'm like why haven't I
seen this before?
Why haven't I read this before?
Oh, my goodness, right.
So let me just say it this wayArt hit it on when he said when
(34:05):
you can control the dice of thegame, where it feels like it's
just randomity.
It feels like there's arandomness to life and sometimes
you win, sometimes you lose andand it's all.
Look of the draw and the cardsyou were dealt.
(34:27):
And art said it when he saidwhat happens when you can
control the dice?
And what I'm finding is myability to play the game more
fully, full out, but my abilityalso to control how it lands,
what I land on.
(34:47):
If I want to land on boardwalk,I'm going to land on boardwalk.
If I want to land on therailroad, I'm going to hit the
railroad.
And it feels so good this iswhy I always win, by the way.
It feels so good.
It feels so good to be able toput the stack, the deck, in your
(35:10):
favor, if you will.
It feels so good to be able toget certain things going.
I'll give you this one quickanecdote.
Now, move on, um, and we can gosomething else.
But in playing the game, one ofthe cards I hate to get is that
card that says uh, there'srepairs are necessary for all
your properties, so you got topay 45 per house and 100 per
(35:34):
hotel or whatever that littlething is.
You know that ugly car, theugly car, yeah, and I always get
this.
I always postulate that I'mgonna get that card before I get
any properties.
This is true, and so as I'mrolling it, I hit it and I said
(35:57):
there it is.
And then I start acquiring someshit.
I get it up.
I start once I get that cardout of the way.
I get it up Because I don'twant to hit that card when it's
time.
So I'm just saying to say, whenyou can stack the deck in your
favor, when you can control thedice, you don't hit that
randomness in your life.
Stuff don't just happen to you.
(36:18):
Now, don't get me wrong.
Stuff does come up, but it'snot out of pocket.
I'll give you a quick example.
I got hit with a tax bill thatI wasn't expecting and it was
for a moment.
It was what the for a moment.
And then I was like, oh well, Iguess that makes sense.
(36:41):
And then what's that?
What's that?
Really calculated everything inmy head real quick.
I did the figures.
Oh, okay, well, yeah, I got topay that and that was the whole
upset.
It was the whole thing and itwas a.
It was a sizable tax bill, butit was the whole thing.
And it was a sizable tax bill.
But the whole upset lasted thatlong.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Which would have been different before.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Oh, absolutely, what would I do?
How would I live?
How could I possibly do this?
Oh my God, what are they goingto do?
Are they going to come after me?
Are they going to audit me?
Are they going to suspend mypassport?
Am I going to be dead?
I would have went into atailspin, into an absolute
tailspin.
And how many people do?
How many people do that?
Right, they go into an absolutetailspin when hit with
(37:27):
unforeseen circumstances andstuff like that.
How many people go into anabsolute tailspin?
But when you have the tech andwhen you know that you kind of
you actually do control the dice, okay, all right.
Well, that makes sense, let'sdo it yeah, and you know what
it's interesting out ofeverything.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Sorry, john no out of everything you just said, there
was one word that kept poppingup.
What was that word?
Quinton you?
What when?
Control, okay, yes, control.
Isn't that what we're learning?
(38:07):
How to control us, how tocontrol ourselves, how to
control our beings, how tocontrol our life, how to control
our decisions, how to controlour choices, how to control our
opportunities
Speaker 1 (38:20):
yeah, and that comes down to what they and gets what
they postulate.
So you go from you, you gotwhat you got.
You get on, you get going upthe bridge and everything.
And you start seeing that andwhen I say got, I'm not, I'm not
just talking about physicaluniverse.
You know this.
(38:41):
You know I want to go up thebridge so I can make a lot of
money.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
That's the wrong angle, thewrong attitude.
And when I say attitude, I'mtalking about more from a sense
of flight, from getting frompoint A to point B.
That's not it.
That's not it.
You have to do it from theviewpoint of doing and this is
(39:03):
going to sound so new agey, I'msorry, but you have to do the
work, the personal work of it.
You have to go.
I want to improve and fix thethings that need to be fixed in
me so that everything else fallsin line, everything falls in
(39:25):
line.
If you do that, if you do that,I have PCs who want to control
every aspect of everything.
That it is that I do for them,okay, which is wild, wild to me,
okay.
And and they, they, they, theydon't want to confront what they
don't want to confront, andthey'll drop out for a couple of
(39:47):
months and then they'll comeback and they'll drop out for a
couple of months and and and ithas to be on their terms Are
they getting anywhere?
No, no, because auditing andLRH says at some point you have
to audit out the auditing thatyou've received because it's
other determined.
But it has to be, because ifyou knew what was wrong with you
(40:10):
, it wouldn't be wrong with you.
And this is where trust, theprocess, comes in.
As far as monopoly is, what areyou prioritizing?
What are you investing in?
You're not investing money.
You're investing energy thatyou've created.
That looks like it's money, butit's more your time, it's more
(40:32):
your priority of this is what Ihave to do, and I mean I invest
an awful lot of energy inholding AOGP where it's at.
There isn't anybody else out inthe field, I mean in the ways
that we're doing it.
There isn't anybody else onthis planet that is doing what
(40:53):
we're doing in the projects thatwe have in the works and all of
that.
And I could take that money andI could, you know, do anything
I wanted with it other than whatit is that I'm doing.
But and you know it's nothorribly expensive but I mean it
costs to have servers and itcosts to buy software to put on
the servers and it costs tobuild an infrastructure that
(41:14):
teaches people how to do thingsproperly in Scientology, without
all this heavy handed ethics,suppression, new world order
bullshit that the corporatechurches has become part of that
game of monopoly.
That's a different game ofmonopoly.
Like you were saying, star Trek, star Wars, you know this is a
different game.
(41:36):
And if you look at what you'reprioritizing, it's a priority
for me to keep the college going.
It's a priority for me to keepthe website up.
It's a priority for me to takemy money and put it into these
things, because if it isn'tthere, it isn't there.
I mean, I hope our listenersget that If you don't put it
(41:58):
there, it's not there.
I don't know how else I can saythis.
What kind of monopoly are youplaying?
If you're getting the new carand the new house or whatever
and you're investing in all thisphysical universe stuff, you're
not going to take it with you.
But if you invest yourattention more than anything,
(42:21):
that which you put yourattention on is what you get.
Put your attention on playing agame of monopoly, of helping
other people and helpingyourself and understanding this
information.
It is so life-changing as abeing, not just in the physical
universe.
If you approach it from thebeing standpoint, it will change
(42:44):
things fundamentally.
I myself have gotten back intosession every day, every day,
after 11 years of not going insolo session regularly.
In less than a week, in lessthan a week, in less than a week
(43:04):
, things have have changedfundamentally and spiritually
for me just by doing thesethings.
I'm not I mean, I'm not evenI'm just doing the cleanup.
I'm just doing cleanup onthings that had never been
addressed before.
So you have to be able toinvest in the spirituality of
(43:27):
trusting the process.
And what are you waiting for?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know, you know it's.
It's so interesting how youjust frame it and I and I really
believe you have a, a preachinganointing.
I don't know how you just frameit and I really believe you
have a preaching anointing.
I don't know how else to say it, because you say stuff that
really hits the spirit of thematter Spirituality in and of
(43:52):
itself.
Spirituality requires an elementof surrender.
Spirituality requires anelement of surrender and I think
you said it earlier about howthere's many PCs that might want
to control everything you dowith them and they want to
nitpick this apart and whatever,whatever.
And every time you come at meand talk to me about getting on
(44:13):
course and stuff like that, Ijust say, yes, sir, OK, you're
right, I got to do it and I dohave to, and because I have so
(44:35):
many, I'm playing such a biggame.
It say it in the spiritualcommunities sit under a leader
or sit under someone whom youtrust to help you and guide you
and walk with you to the top ofthe mountain, right Across the
bridge, whatever, up the bridge,somebody who's going to sit
with you and walk with you andhelp you and guide you, and
whatever.
There's an element of surrenderto it.
(44:58):
And so I say all this to say isthat when you're talking about
spirituality, the first thingyou're talking about is
surrender.
The first thing you're talkingabout is saying I couldn't fix
this myself, so I'm going toallow the technology and someone
who is skilled at thetechnology that's all it is.
(45:19):
There's no guru that's going todo that, it's just a technology
and somebody who knows how touse the technology.
There's no different than younot knowing how to do a
Photoshop thing and you go tosomebody and do the Photoshop.
I don't know how to do it, solet me go to somebody who knows
how to do it.
Oh, this is a nice picture.
I like that.
That's the result.
So being able to surrender andsay I don't know what the next
(45:46):
step is, I don't know what to donow.
Can you help me?
And then we would say we'llstart with the personality test.
Let's look at your OCA, let'slook at where you are and let's
see what's recommended.
Let's see if.
I'm getting you into a life.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
If we can and I want to make that point if we can.
Sometimes you use a personalitytest.
You do a personality test andthe only thing you get out of
the personality test is it'stelling you there's something
going on here and thepersonality test isn't accurate.
And then we've got work to dobefore we can even do the
personality test.
I've run into that lately.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, wherever the start is.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Right and you have to trust the process.
But the thing is, you have tosurrender to the fact that, look
, we're trying to do this right,we're trying to do this
correctly and we can't bend therules for any particular person
just because they want to haveinformation that's incorrect.
That tells me that there'ssomething there going on, and we
(46:42):
talked about ethics, tech andadmin in an earlier podcast last
week is ethics is a personalthing, but you have to look at,
okay, why am I demanding this?
Why am I needing this?
Why am I telling this to myauditor?
That sort of a thing you haveto surrender at some point and
(47:02):
trust the process there, andthat's part of playing Monopoly
as well.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, I did a teaching some years ago, and it
was called the Art of being aMaster Student.
The Art of being a MasterStudent, the Art of being a
Master Student, and in order foryou to become a master teacher,
in order for you to become aspiritual master, whatever that
mastery looks like for you, herewe call it operating Thetan.
But in order for you to hitcertain heights, you must first
(47:33):
be a master student before youcan become a master, and so this
is something I'm working onpreaching to myself.
Let me get on course, charles.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah, you get it.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
You ain't going to tell me.
You ain't going to tell me, butyeah, so being a master student
is really key and what I'mloving about this opportunity
and I've done many others butwhat I love about this
opportunity is I can do it fromthe comfort of my home office.
I can go in, I can log into thecollege, I can tap into what I
(48:08):
need to tap into, I can get thegains that I get.
I get it right less than 10feet away from me and I can go
in get it and get what I needand continue my progress in that
moment.
And it serves me well to beable to do it that way.
(48:30):
When before it would require megoing to Bali or it would
require me doing some otherstuff, or whatever my journey
was at the time, it wouldrequire me every Saturday going
out and knocking on doors.
It will require me doing somuch.
And now I get to do this thingwith a level of ease that I
appreciate.
I really do appreciate it as itrelates to ALGPNU, jonathan.
(48:53):
I do appreciate that level ofease that it affords me.
So you know, this has been myexperience and I just think that
level of ease that it affordsme.
So this has been my experienceand I just think that we have
come to a place wherespirituality, or should I say
religion, has taken thismonopoly.
Monopolistic is monopolistic aword, a monopoly kind of
viewpoint where it's like we gotall the answers, we're all or
(49:18):
nothing whatever, and all I sayis come see what this is about
and come see if this helps youbecome more able and helps you
become more you, and that's theclarion call for me.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, and in that again LRH says that somebody
lower on the bridge has no ideathe gains that are possible on
the upper end of the bridge.
Because it's almostunconscionable, because it isn't
something that's readilyconceived and it's an entirely
(49:59):
different type of monopoly.
Wouldn't you like to have amonopoly on your ability to
postulate, be aware, manifest,whatever it is?
And I lean towards in thatdirection.
So Quentin has to take off.
(50:20):
So we're going to close thisone out.
He says goodbye, he's gotanother session he has to do.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
I'm here for it, okay .
Speaker 1 (50:29):
We're going to wrap this up and just say why not
have a monopoly on you insteadof a monopoly having you?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
That's so good Instead of a monopoly having you
.
That's so good Instead of amonopoly having you.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Buy a board that you like.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Buy a board that you want to play, make your own
board and then have a monopolyon you, because anything and
everything that happens to you,you cause Good, bad or
indifferent and you can reallydo this and it doesn't take very
long at all.
You just have to put your headdown and you need to start
(51:05):
running up the bridge and getgoing.
Every little step matters andit makes a difference.
More case gain, and more casegain and it exponentially
increases and you're there andnow you can create your own
monopoly board.
You can create your own rules,because you understand how the
physical universe works with thetheta universe.
And that's the most importantthing and again, I need more OTs
(51:31):
standing next to me and thethings that we're going to be
able to achieve just in thisyear Upcoming, and the things
that we're going to be able toachieve just in this year
Upcoming.
And I appreciate that and andand and, and Arthur is too.
But it doesn't take a long time.
Disagree that it has to take along time.
It doesn't.
(51:53):
You can be OT in less than twoyears.
You can be clear in less thansix months.
Yes, that's the truth.
You know.
Start, start playing the gameof Monopoly that you want to
play and don't let the game playyou Awesome.
So for Quentin and Arthur, wehope you got something out of
this podcast, and it is a bitabstract, but it's only abstract
(52:13):
because it's something youhaven't approached yet and you
haven't seen.
But, trust me, lrh gave us someabsolutely unbelievably
incredible gifts and they'rethere and we're trying to just
get those out to people the wayhe intended, and we're here to
help you and we'd reallyappreciate your help if you got
yourself up the bridge.
We love you, namaste.
(52:35):
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Peace, bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.
Hey everybody, welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast.
I'm trying to vary the openinggreetings just to make it
interesting, so it doesn't soundlike I'm just cutting and
pasting or anything like that.
Season 10, episode 17.
This will be our 133rdscientology outside of the
(00:27):
church podcast.
133rd, nice, nice, we.
We haven't.
We haven't run out of subjectsyet, and so this is going to be
an off the cuff.
We'll figure out the name of it.
Sometimes it's better to hitrecord instead of talk about it,
because some of the best stuffhappens before and after.
(00:47):
If we had all the stuff fromafter and before for our
podcasts as as editing forouttakes, you guys would be
blown away.
Some things that come up andwe're like God, why didn't we
say that?
So, yeah, yeah, quentin.
Quentin had the idea, startingwith the, the, the germ of
(01:10):
monopoly.
So where are we headed withthis, quentin?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
well, you know, it's interesting because I'm a huge
fan of monopoly and I'm talkingabout the game and we have been
talking about games theory and,and you know, in the most recent
post podcast, and I'm a hugefan of Monopoly and I'm a fan so
much that when I play I playhard, like I really play
(01:36):
Monopoly hard.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You play for blood.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I play for blood and I do my best.
This is how you win the game.
If you ever want to know, I domy best to exhaust all of my
resources on acquiring moreright, more.
I literally keep my account, myfunds, down to like five bucks
(02:12):
just to buy property or just tobuy houses or just to buy
whatever Right.
And still, as the gameprogresses, people start coming
to me for everything.
I want you to hear where we'regoing with this.
I believe that there is amonopoly on religion.
I believe that there's amonopoly on spirituality.
(02:33):
I believe that people ororganizations, if you will, try
to create this monopoly so that,in order for you to, so that in
order for you to live and existand move around the board of
life, you got to come through me, you got to come through us,
that kind of thing, right, and Ithink that as independent
(02:56):
Scientologists, we kind of havea anti-monopoly kind of
viewpoint, right, yeah, and Ithink that's really interesting,
i't know that's where I camefrom.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
For it.
Well, what I, what?
I'm sorry no, go ahead, arthur,that's fine because I don't know
about you guys, but mostmemories I have of playing the
game monopoly is everybody goesin to win, and I don't know
about you guys, but towards theend there's a lot of arguing
that starts.
There's a lot of arguing thatstarts occurring.
There's a lot of emotions thatstart coming up just from this
(03:30):
one bloody game.
And I don't recall that manygames that didn't end up with
some kind of disgruntlednessfrom someone or somebody trying
to cheat.
And it's funny that you'vechosen Monopoly, because it's
very much like us, isn't it?
Very much so?
(03:51):
Where all these naturalemotions start to really emerge,
people's survival instinctsstart to kick in.
They'll cheat, they'll getangry, they'll toss the board,
they'll do all those kinds ofthings.
So go ahead, john.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, I look at this from the viewpoint of flows and
the first thing that pops intomy head, when Quentin was
talking and it's been I'm tryingto listen and think at the same
time.
And um, ellen rate says whatprice freedom?
What price freedom?
(04:34):
And you, you have to askyourself that and and I, I think
I it was quite a while back, itmight have been when I was
doing podcasts with Jason youhave to look at capitalism and
(04:57):
the way capitalism works andyou're charging somebody.
You get an object, you get anitem, you have a product and you
either make it or you buy itand you put an additional amount
on top of it and say, okay,this is how I make money, by
(05:18):
buying something cheaper andselling it higher.
The entire planet revolvesaround this aberration.
Higher planet revolves aroundthis aberration.
And, it's been said, othercivilizations that come here,
the higher toned ones, becauseplease disabuse yourself of the
(05:40):
idea that just because they havefaster than light travel,
they're all good guys, itdoesn't mean a goddamn thing,
and so we're on our own here.
So, to get back to this, how isit that you have any kind of a
religion?
And, of course, you're alreadyput into the situation.
(06:04):
How does the church, how doesthe church survive?
We have people that say, well,shouldn't Scientology be free?
You know what?
Why do I have to pay forauditing, you know?
And and I just, I don't evenfall out of my chair anymore
because there's, there has to besome sort of exchange.
That goes on.
That goes on there, and and and, of course you need to keep the
(06:27):
lights on and everything,because we're all endemic to
this thing, because you have tosurvive or you need money to
keep the lights on.
But the thing is is last night Ihad a student and I'm sure
they're going to hear thispodcast, I'm not going to use
any names.
I had a student that was askingme about their OT levels, how
much it was going to cost, andthey're on the solo course and
everything.
And when I told him the priceof it, he said have I told you
(06:52):
how much I love you?
And that's the point.
I said I'm not getting rich ondoing this or anything like that
.
But the thing is is I need moreOTs.
So I need more OTs to put thisorganization here that are gonna
(07:12):
and I understand that there isan inherent risk in that that
just because I get somebody upon the OT levels doesn't mean
that they're gonna stick withthe organization and help the
organization grow.
That's just the chance I take.
But the idea is that as you geta person up the OT levels,
they're going to see and they'regoing to be more interested and
(07:33):
they can't do this alone.
And the same person said thatthey wanted to get trained as an
auditor afterwards because theyrealized from what they'd been
studying on the solo course thatthey needed this information
and how much it's changed theirlife.
So when you're talking aboutmonopoly and you're looking at
what independent Dianetics andScientology offer you and you
(07:56):
don't have some ferryman that'ssaying, well, I need you to pay
for all of these otherextraneous things, the IAS
$10,000 for meters, all of thisstuff that you have to have
again.
You have to have in order to doScientology, in order to be an
OT.
That's really upside down andbackwards.
(08:17):
And in religion there's thismonopoly that's created on this
planet through capitalism thatthey want to get something out
of you.
They want to.
I'm sorry, I'm just going tosay it.
This is my viewpoint.
They want to own you and sayyou can't do this unless you
pass, go the church with themeters, for example.
The meters, the new Mark 8s,they check back through their
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router on there and if you'renot in good standing they shut
your meter off.
So you just bought $10,000worth of a doorstop if you don't
do what they say.
Now, if that's not monopoly, Idon't know what is.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Quentin.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, well, you know it's interesting because I
consider myself a capitalist.
I call myself a compassionatecapitalist, right, I consider
myself a compassionatecapitalist and I look at
everything from energetic flowsas well.
And how does a church survive?
How does an organizationsurvive?
I actually don't look at itfrom the perspective of just
keeping the lights on.
(09:20):
I look at it as an endowment oftheta.
Lights on, I look at it as anendowment of theta.
And what I do in my own work isI endow theta, I grant
beingness, I put a person in aposition where they themselves
are capable of becoming all thatthey're capable of becoming.
(09:44):
And the exchange, the, theenergetic exchange which in
layman terms, we call money, theenergetic exchange, really is
for that endowment of energy.
It's not even for my time.
It's not for my time, it's notfor my lights, because I live in
southeast asia, my lights arecheap.
You know what I mean.
So it's not about any of that.
It's actually the endowment ofTheta that I then say now, in
(10:09):
order for me to be more, morecapable I don't know if that's
the right word More willing.
I use the word more willing toendow you and others with more
theta.
This is the exchange that I set.
So, you know, when you juststarted talking about
(10:31):
organization and flows and stufflike that, I was like, okay,
that makes sense, I get that.
So there's this monopoly ofreligion and whether it be
Catholicism or you know, ormainstream fundamentalists or
non-denominational Christianity,whatever, whatever, there's
this monopoly of religion andall of them, all of them seem to
(10:57):
require there be an energeticexchange.
We call money exchange, we callmoney.
And I then look at this thingand I say, okay, thomas
Jefferson said it this way.
He said empty your wallet tofill your mind and your mind
will fill your wallet.
And I look at for me, this isjust for me.
(11:21):
Now I look at Scientology likethat Empty your wallet to fill
your mind and your mind willfill your wallet.
And it has been absolutely truefor me right where, when, when,
when I didn't even have what Ineeded to, you know, do the
thing with you, jonathan, andand and go up the bridge and pay
(11:42):
and my entire bridge.
I didn't really have it.
But by deciding and going withthat for me, that axiom, in my
opinion, empty your wallet tofill your mind and your mind
will fill your wallet.
It works.
If you work, it Okay.
And so when I think about thisfrom a monopoly perspective and
(12:06):
you just self-art just said itis how we play the game and I, I
zero out my little, my littlepaper money, and monopoly, I
zero it out.
I'm down to five dollars and ifI hit, if I hit on somebody
else's property, I'm like dangyou know what, let me go ahead
and mortgage this one, let me goahead and mortgage that.
When I flip it over and I paytheir people off and I keep on
(12:27):
going and get some more money,get some more, get some more
property.
And that's how I've, that's howI always win.
I empty my wallet to fill mymind and my mind fills my wallet
.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Arthur, you want to go or you want me to.
You look like something'sforming.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You want to go or you want me to you look like
something's forming, because Ithink Monopoly is a really good
analogy on these games that wedo live.
So I think that's a great topicto choose, because it is a game
and it's a game of wit as well,and what's interesting is with
that particular game is howrelevant it actually is.
(13:05):
So I'm going to pose a littledifferent question in the sense
of okay, so we have this gamethat teaches us how to play
games in this life, and if weapply that to religion, then
sure you know which.
Which monopoly, which versionof monopoly, are you going to
buy?
Are you going to buy the starwars one?
Are you going to buy thechristian one?
Are you going to buy themuslimopoly are you going to buy
?
Are you going to buy the StarWars one?
Are you going to buy theChristian one?
(13:27):
Are you going to buy the Muslimone?
Are you going to buy theScientology one?
Which Monopoly board are yougoing to purchase to start with?
And so you've got a choicethere to make.
But what?
I find interesting about thewhole thing.
And what I find interestingabout the whole thing is, like
it or not, it's a game you kindof have to play and, like we're
(13:49):
already, as kids, we're alreadybeing taught this is how to play
the game, which means it makesit very difficult to choose a
different game.
So you walk up to the toy storeand you've got a wall of
different versions of Monopolysets, but there's no other games
(14:13):
in the store, it's justMonopoly.
And so which one are you goingto purchase?
And you might buy the Star Warsone and think you know what I
don't like the Star Wars one.
I'm going to buy the Star Trekone, but you've already invested
in the Star Wars one.
To buy the Star Trek one, butyou've already invested in the
Star Wars one.
Now you're going to jump shitto the Star Trek one.
You have to start the gameagain.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There's so many ways you can look at this.
Yeah, there's so many ways youcan look at this, but the trick
is you still have to learn howto play the game.
And, what's interesting,depending on which board you
choose, the rules are stillexactly the same yeah, all you
have is is different experiencesyou're right, this is really
(14:58):
good.
You have different experiencesdifferent colors go around
different.
Different colors differentlittle.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, that's right, but, and maybe even different
denominations or different costsfor boardwalk or or, or, or
coruscant, or whatever the nameof the the planet is that you
land on, or whatever.
Yeah, but it's different.
Different, uh, denominations,but it's the same flow, it's the
same.
You go around this way, youkeep going, you know you can
(15:26):
look hard and say, go back to go, oh, I gotta go, gotta go back
to go.
Why can't, why can't I beatthis one?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
you know that's right and it's funny, because it's
just a shifting of letters,colors and ideas, but the game
is exactly the same.
It's exactly the same, doesn'tmatter what color it is, it
doesn't matter what go is,whether they call it go shoot,
fly um endeavor, it doesn'tmatter.
(15:54):
You still start from the samesquare and you end up back at
the same square.
But that journey from go backto go is different every single
time, because every time youroll those dice you're going to
land somewhere new, somewhereelse.
Yeah, be a trap, it could be abenefit.
You know how you're going tohandle it.
I love it it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You know, I think about my past, other boards that
I've played on the Jehovah'sWitness board or the metaphysics
board or the magic board orwhatever.
I think about all the boardsthat I've played on and I can
honestly remember, based on whatyou're saying now.
I can honestly remember goingall out when I was a Jehovah's
(16:38):
Witness.
I could knock a door down, Icould, saturday morning, you go
meet me, I was in it, boy, andso it was just.
That's just how I play the game, man.
It's how I play the game and Ireally, really love that seeing
(16:59):
life as a game and even seeingour spiritual journey as a game
and something that we can enjoy,even though sometimes it can be
hard, even though sometimes Idon't know if I got enough money
to hit.
If I hit, oh.
If I land on something else,it's going to be another.
I don't know if I got enoughmoney to hit.
If I hit, oh, if I land onsomething else, it's going to be
another, oh gosh.
You know, and you're goingthrough all that mental anguish,
(17:20):
but it's really teaching yousomething about how you view
money, about how you view youknow, how you view the rules of
engagement, how you view otherplayers If you don't get along
with other people along the way.
You know, one thing about beingan independent Scientologist
that I've noticed is that Iwould like for there to be more
(17:41):
community within the independentScientology field.
I would like for us all to playthe game in community and not
feel like, oh, if you step on myproperty then we have a problem
here, that kind of thing.
I would like there to be more,and I think ALGP is poised to be
(18:03):
that unifier is poised to bethe thing that says, hey, listen
, no, no, no, we all canparticipate, we all can show up,
we all can be a part of this,and that's what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
uh, that's why I think we have the anti-trust,
the anti-monopoly viewpoint inplaying this game yeah, but
imagine, right, imagine if youcould start learning the ability
to start controlling whatnumbers the dices will roll.
What does the game, what doesthe game look like then?
(18:37):
These are not the toys you'relooking for exactly, exactly
everybody listeners.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The listeners have been like jonathan's, been
unusually quiet all right, allright, john, hit us with it well
, preach john lrh says the workwas free.
Keep it so.
Okay, he spent his own money todo all the research based off
(19:07):
of books that he sold andeverything like that.
And, uh, at the end of it all,supposedly I can't confirm or
deny this, but he had like 400million when he dropped the body
and that was stolen from himand his family, his wife, his
children and everything by DavidMiscavige and company and the
(19:27):
Sherman Lenskys and all thatstuff.
So you know, it's true youcan't take it with you, but the
point of the reason why I'mbringing this up is you can make
investments in the physicaluniverse and everybody needs to
survive because we're all inthis game, whether we want to be
(19:48):
or not.
You can't just go take food,you can barter.
I mean, especially in SoutheastAsia.
I got a chicken, can I havesome?
Well, I know what's coconuts,let's just say, cause coconuts
are prevalent, you know whereyou're at and you, you can
barter with farmers and thingslike that and you don't don't
need money, but that doesn'tkeep the electricity on, unless
(20:08):
the electricity company wantschickens or coconuts.
But the point is, if you'redoing something in the direction
of theta, okay, money willfollow, it will follow you.
Okay, Money is a side effectAmen, brother, a side effect of
(20:31):
what you are, who you are andwhat you're doing.
And if you feel and this, justGod, this is gonna just sound so
hokey to people but if you'rereally doing what your calling
is, if you're really doing whatyou should be doing, the money
definitely follows.
Like we've been bringing upStar Wars a lot, in episode one,
(20:55):
qui-gon Jinn says to a youngObi-Wan Kenobi a solution will
present itself.
I just got goosebumps justsaying that, yes, because it
isn't something that I just gotfrom a movie and I threw it out
on a podcast.
It is something I see everygoddamn day, every goddamn day.
And we've talked aboutconfirmation, bias and
(21:17):
postulates and how do you knowthat this is going to do that
and da-da-da-da-da.
And trust the process.
Yeah, you have to.
You have to trust the processand the only way you're going to
know about that is if youinvest in a certain
quote-unquote property, but thatproperty is theta.
If you flow power to thingsthat flow you power.
(21:37):
Okay, in this case, it could beyourself, it could be AOGP, it
could be independent Scientologyand doing something for
somebody else and introducingthem to it and making their life
better.
Money will follow Survival.
Let's just say, let's just takemoney out of the equation.
Survival will follow to thedegree that you are promoting
(21:59):
survival across the dynamics.
It's that simple.
I struggled for two and a halfdecades doing another business
because I didn't have any othersolution.
It was the original solutionwhen I was 18 years old and then
I joined staff and then I gotback into it in 1993 and I did
it for two and a half decadesand I struggled and I struggled
(22:22):
and I struggled.
I wasted my youth on a constantdanger condition, from one day
to the next one year to the nextone month, whatever.
And then I started my OT levelsafter my mom died and I thought
I got to do this now because mymom was pretty young when she
(22:43):
died and I looked at it andthought I'm not interested in
doing any kind of life continuumthing here or anything like
that, because I'd just seen herdo that with her father, who had
passed away six months earlier.
She checked out.
So I invested.
I didn't invest in myself, Iinvested in data, because what
you're doing when you go up thebridge and you're playing this
(23:05):
game Monopoly when you go up thebridge.
I didn't my OT7 success story.
I said I didn't really care forpeople that much before I
finished OT7.
I didn't like it.
That's why I did what I did fortwo and a half years and I paid
a really high price in thelongevity of the body and
wasting all this time.
Whatever you wanna say, but Imean, the thing that I learned
(23:26):
from it is that wasn't the wayfor me and it wasn't where my
heart was, where my interestswere.
My interest was in helpingpeople, but I had to help myself
and then I realized I have tobe helping other people.
This is my calling, and thathas to do with investing in a
(23:46):
property that is not tangible.
It's investing in theta.
And when you do that foryourself and for other people,
you're playing an entirelydifferent game of monopoly than
buying a piece of real estate,flipping it and so on.
That's great.
You can have all the money inthe world.
But are you really happy?
Happiness is if your ethics arein.
(24:09):
So what kind of game, what kindof monopoly game do religions
play?
You see these people who andI'm not downing any religion and
they say that they're happy andthey believe in this God or
that God or whatever, and theygo to church on Sunday and all
of that stuff.
But if you look at what we getfrom what we do, it's a
(24:29):
completely different thing.
Now, maybe I'm biased, but whatI have and what I see and how I
can help people, and everything, nothing compares in this game
of monopoly.
Nothing compares.
It's exciting to me whensomebody finishes an auditing
(24:51):
level.
It's exciting to me whensomebody gets to be clear.
It's exciting to me and it'snot a question of pride, it's a.
I just changed this being'slife forever Forever.
And that's to me that's morethan all of the gold in Fort
(25:13):
Knox or anything else like that,because as I do that, I see
that a difference has been made,not that I did the difference.
A difference has been made forthat person and now they can
carry the torch and they can dothe same thing.
To me, that's the game ofmonopoly.
That's important is realizingthat there's an awful lot here
that you don't know about.
(25:33):
That's right in front of youand all you have to do is reach,
do and complete and put onefoot fate and foot in front of
the other and get there andyou're going to see things are
entirely different than what youthought they were.
You don't know what's there.
So that's what I have to sayabout that.
I can't convey it in wordsbecause it isn't something that
(25:57):
you can put in the physicaluniverse and go that, because
it's not matter energy, spaceand time.
It is something completelydifferent, and to explain it to
people there's just no way to doit.
You have to get there first,and that's it's so profound I.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I just I don't know how to say it well, you know, I
what I like about, um, thisviewpoint right, is that in the
game of Monopoly, you do startoff with an endowment of like
1500 Monopoly books, or whateverthey call them.
(26:42):
Now, you do start off with anendowment and I think that if we
look at this similarly, each ofus we have an endowment.
We have our own endowment ofenergy, we have our endowment of
theta.
Wherever you are, whereveryou're working with, you have
your endowment as you make yourmoves, as you make your choices,
(27:07):
listen to the words, as youmake your decisions on what to
do and where to put yourendowment, put your energy, put
your funds, put your attention,so forth and so on.
I'm preaching to myself becauseJonathan asked me at the
beginning of the podcast, beforewe came on.
He was like are you going to beable to work on your course
while you're traveling, on mysolo course while you're
(27:29):
traveling?
And I was like, yeah, and it'slike, as we make our moves
around the board of life, whereare we putting our attention?
What choices are we making?
What are we prioritizing?
(27:50):
You could prioritize Netflix.
You could prioritize thebarbecue that you're going to
have on Saturday.
You could prioritize whatever,you, whatever, and this whole
idea that those things that wemake so important to us, right?
You know, we used to haveChristmas.
When my son was young, we usedto have Christmas and then, when
(28:16):
he turned 13, I said no moreChristmas gifts.
Instead of Christmas gifts, youget Christmas trips.
I said so every winter break.
Instead of you giving me a listof stuff you want, give me a
list of countries, and we'regoing to see what we can do to
make it work.
And I did that because I wantedhim to get out of this.
(28:37):
You know, you know he's ateenager and teenagers like
stuff, you know, like new gamesand new shoes and new whatever.
But I wanted him to get out ofthat whole modality of just
getting more stuff and I wantedhim to gain experiences.
I wanted him to gain culture.
You know what I mean.
I wanted him to gain somethingdifferent.
And so we started in ourhousehold, we started
(28:57):
prioritizing travel versusprioritizing materialism, and I
only make that point to say thatyou have an endowment of
attention.
You have an endowment of energy.
You have an endowment of time.
You have an endowment whateveryou're working with of energy.
You have endowment of time.
You have an endowment whateveryou're working with and you get
(29:18):
to choose how you use it.
And with this conversation thatwe're having right now with you
, do you want to use thisendowment of energy towards
something that's going to changeeverything, that you really can
win this game and I win when Ibleed all the time.
Okay, who played me?
(29:39):
I beat you Period.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And because I'm willing, right and it's because
I'm willing to go for broke.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I'm willing to go for it.
I'm willing to put my all intoit in order to come out with the
most at the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
That's just me.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and.
If I may, maybe so to enter ina private viewpoint, one of the
one of the things I've seen seenwith with Quentin since he
finished his L11 and he attestedto clear and I've run into this
problem with other people isthey feel so rejuvenated and L11
(30:28):
has to do with doing this thatthey want to go out and they
want to play that game.
They want to go out and playthe game because they, they,
they have this newfound, they,they got some sort of a, a
booster engine and strapped itto their ass and they can go out
and they can do all of thesethings and go out and play the
game of life.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and, toinfinity and beyond.
(30:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and that, and that's the liability of a
technology just doing that onething.
That one thing is I'm playingall these games and I can go out
and do this and I can do thatand everything, and it almost
becomes a distraction.
It almost becomes a distractionbecause it's like you got Harry
(31:12):
Potter's wand and say somethingin Latin and you point your
wand and there it is and that'syou know.
That's great, that it providesthat, but again, like Quentin
was saying, you have to.
You have to prioritize what itis that you're doing and not get
(31:33):
too sidetracked by all of theamazing things that you can do
in life, because that's I mean,you've barely gotten started,
even though that's one, probablyone of the biggest things that
a person has experienced.
So you have to decide whereyou're going to go on the
monopoly board next and how muchyou're going to invest in
something.
That's what prioritization isabout is what's the most
(31:54):
important thing.
And yes, it's difficult whenyou have these abilities, but
you have to put that energy andthat create those postulates
into an area that gets you evenfurther, because you ain't seen
nothing yet, you really haven't,and it's hard to describe in
words.
(32:15):
Quentin, can you describe whatit is that you've gotten?
And this isn't an advertisementfor AOGP services.
I don't give a shit where youdo your services.
I do in the fact that if you doyour services, you need to do
your due diligence and you needto find out what it is that this
person is doing, whetherthey're qualified to do it, have
they gotten products, do theyhave a track record and all of
(32:42):
this stuff?
We get tons of people that wantus to fix them, from other
people that they've receivedauditing, and we hear really
gross stuff and I don't meangross as in visceral type thing,
but really out tech things.
I don't care where you do it,as long as you get it done right
.
And it's hard to know whatyou're getting when you're the
pc and you don't know how toaudit.
That's why we do these podcastsand we're trying to educate
people and everything.
(33:03):
So I just want to give that asa preamble.
But back to quentin.
This isn't an ad.
Yeah, what, what, what have youexperienced?
What?
What you know with, with l11?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
it's interesting because I think Art really hit
on it when he said and y'alldidn't catch it, so I'm going to
say it again Art said whathappens when you can control the
dice.
Right, I hear this.
I found in my, the gains andthe wins that I've experienced
(33:42):
after L11, after going clear andso forth and so on, what I've,
and even even just in my solocourse and even in the stuff
that that Jonathan has sharedwith me just in tech, because
sometimes Jonathan I just likeJonathan has conversations with
me and he'll just share sometech and I'm like why haven't I
seen this before?
Why haven't I read this before?
Oh, my goodness, right.
So let me just say it this wayArt hit it on when he said when
(34:05):
you can control the dice of thegame, where it feels like it's
just randomity.
It feels like there's arandomness to life and sometimes
you win, sometimes you lose andand it's all.
Look of the draw and the cardsyou were dealt.
(34:27):
And art said it when he saidwhat happens when you can
control the dice?
And what I'm finding is myability to play the game more
fully, full out, but my abilityalso to control how it lands,
what I land on.
(34:47):
If I want to land on boardwalk,I'm going to land on boardwalk.
If I want to land on therailroad, I'm going to hit the
railroad.
And it feels so good this iswhy I always win, by the way.
It feels so good.
It feels so good to be able toput the stack, the deck, in your
(35:10):
favor, if you will.
It feels so good to be able toget certain things going.
I'll give you this one quickanecdote.
Now, move on, um, and we can gosomething else.
But in playing the game, one ofthe cards I hate to get is that
card that says uh, there'srepairs are necessary for all
your properties, so you got topay 45 per house and 100 per
(35:34):
hotel or whatever that littlething is.
You know that ugly car, theugly car, yeah, and I always get
this.
I always postulate that I'mgonna get that card before I get
any properties.
This is true, and so as I'mrolling it, I hit it and I said
(35:57):
there it is.
And then I start acquiring someshit.
I get it up.
I start once I get that cardout of the way.
I get it up Because I don'twant to hit that card when it's
time.
So I'm just saying to say, whenyou can stack the deck in your
favor, when you can control thedice, you don't hit that
randomness in your life.
Stuff don't just happen to you.
(36:18):
Now, don't get me wrong.
Stuff does come up, but it'snot out of pocket.
I'll give you a quick example.
I got hit with a tax bill thatI wasn't expecting and it was
for a moment.
It was what the for a moment.
And then I was like, oh well, Iguess that makes sense.
(36:41):
And then what's that?
What's that?
Really calculated everything inmy head real quick.
I did the figures.
Oh, okay, well, yeah, I got topay that and that was the whole
upset.
It was the whole thing and itwas a.
It was a sizable tax bill, butit was the whole thing.
And it was a sizable tax bill.
But the whole upset lasted thatlong.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Which would have been different before.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Oh, absolutely, what would I do?
How would I live?
How could I possibly do this?
Oh my God, what are they goingto do?
Are they going to come after me?
Are they going to audit me?
Are they going to suspend mypassport?
Am I going to be dead?
I would have went into atailspin, into an absolute
tailspin.
And how many people do?
How many people do that?
Right, they go into an absolutetailspin when hit with
(37:27):
unforeseen circumstances andstuff like that.
How many people go into anabsolute tailspin?
But when you have the tech andwhen you know that you kind of
you actually do control the dice, okay, all right.
Well, that makes sense, let'sdo it yeah, and you know what
it's interesting out ofeverything.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Sorry, john no out of everything you just said, there
was one word that kept poppingup.
What was that word?
Quinton you?
What when?
Control, okay, yes, control.
Isn't that what we're learning?
(38:07):
How to control us, how tocontrol ourselves, how to
control our beings, how tocontrol our life, how to control
our decisions, how to controlour choices, how to control our
opportunities
Speaker 1 (38:20):
yeah, and that comes down to what they and gets what
they postulate.
So you go from you, you gotwhat you got.
You get on, you get going upthe bridge and everything.
And you start seeing that andwhen I say got, I'm not, I'm not
just talking about physicaluniverse.
You know this.
(38:41):
You know I want to go up thebridge so I can make a lot of
money.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
That's the wrong angle, thewrong attitude.
And when I say attitude, I'mtalking about more from a sense
of flight, from getting frompoint A to point B.
That's not it.
That's not it.
You have to do it from theviewpoint of doing and this is
(39:03):
going to sound so new agey, I'msorry, but you have to do the
work, the personal work of it.
You have to go.
I want to improve and fix thethings that need to be fixed in
me so that everything else fallsin line, everything falls in
(39:25):
line.
If you do that, if you do that,I have PCs who want to control
every aspect of everything.
That it is that I do for them,okay, which is wild, wild to me,
okay.
And and they, they, they, theydon't want to confront what they
don't want to confront, andthey'll drop out for a couple of
(39:47):
months and then they'll comeback and they'll drop out for a
couple of months and and and ithas to be on their terms Are
they getting anywhere?
No, no, because auditing andLRH says at some point you have
to audit out the auditing thatyou've received because it's
other determined.
But it has to be, because ifyou knew what was wrong with you
(40:10):
, it wouldn't be wrong with you.
And this is where trust, theprocess, comes in.
As far as monopoly is, what areyou prioritizing?
What are you investing in?
You're not investing money.
You're investing energy thatyou've created.
That looks like it's money, butit's more your time, it's more
(40:32):
your priority of this is what Ihave to do, and I mean I invest
an awful lot of energy inholding AOGP where it's at.
There isn't anybody else out inthe field, I mean in the ways
that we're doing it.
There isn't anybody else onthis planet that is doing what
(40:53):
we're doing in the projects thatwe have in the works and all of
that.
And I could take that money andI could, you know, do anything
I wanted with it other than whatit is that I'm doing.
But and you know it's nothorribly expensive but I mean it
costs to have servers and itcosts to buy software to put on
the servers and it costs tobuild an infrastructure that
(41:14):
teaches people how to do thingsproperly in Scientology, without
all this heavy handed ethics,suppression, new world order
bullshit that the corporatechurches has become part of that
game of monopoly.
That's a different game ofmonopoly.
Like you were saying, star Trek, star Wars, you know this is a
different game.
(41:36):
And if you look at what you'reprioritizing, it's a priority
for me to keep the college going.
It's a priority for me to keepthe website up.
It's a priority for me to takemy money and put it into these
things, because if it isn'tthere, it isn't there.
I mean, I hope our listenersget that If you don't put it
(41:58):
there, it's not there.
I don't know how else I can saythis.
What kind of monopoly are youplaying?
If you're getting the new carand the new house or whatever
and you're investing in all thisphysical universe stuff, you're
not going to take it with you.
But if you invest yourattention more than anything,
(42:21):
that which you put yourattention on is what you get.
Put your attention on playing agame of monopoly, of helping
other people and helpingyourself and understanding this
information.
It is so life-changing as abeing, not just in the physical
universe.
If you approach it from thebeing standpoint, it will change
(42:44):
things fundamentally.
I myself have gotten back intosession every day, every day,
after 11 years of not going insolo session regularly.
In less than a week, in lessthan a week, in less than a week
(43:04):
, things have have changedfundamentally and spiritually
for me just by doing thesethings.
I'm not I mean, I'm not evenI'm just doing the cleanup.
I'm just doing cleanup onthings that had never been
addressed before.
So you have to be able toinvest in the spirituality of
(43:27):
trusting the process.
And what are you waiting for?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know, you know it's.
It's so interesting how youjust frame it and I and I really
believe you have a, a preachinganointing.
I don't know how you just frameit and I really believe you
have a preaching anointing.
I don't know how else to say it, because you say stuff that
really hits the spirit of thematter Spirituality in and of
(43:52):
itself.
Spirituality requires an elementof surrender.
Spirituality requires anelement of surrender and I think
you said it earlier about howthere's many PCs that might want
to control everything you dowith them and they want to
nitpick this apart and whatever,whatever.
And every time you come at meand talk to me about getting on
(44:13):
course and stuff like that, Ijust say, yes, sir, OK, you're
right, I got to do it and I dohave to, and because I have so
(44:35):
many, I'm playing such a biggame.
It say it in the spiritualcommunities sit under a leader
or sit under someone whom youtrust to help you and guide you
and walk with you to the top ofthe mountain, right Across the
bridge, whatever, up the bridge,somebody who's going to sit
with you and walk with you andhelp you and guide you, and
whatever.
There's an element of surrenderto it.
(44:58):
And so I say all this to say isthat when you're talking about
spirituality, the first thingyou're talking about is
surrender.
The first thing you're talkingabout is saying I couldn't fix
this myself, so I'm going toallow the technology and someone
who is skilled at thetechnology that's all it is.
(45:19):
There's no guru that's going todo that, it's just a technology
and somebody who knows how touse the technology.
There's no different than younot knowing how to do a
Photoshop thing and you go tosomebody and do the Photoshop.
I don't know how to do it, solet me go to somebody who knows
how to do it.
Oh, this is a nice picture.
I like that.
That's the result.
So being able to surrender andsay I don't know what the next
(45:46):
step is, I don't know what to donow.
Can you help me?
And then we would say we'llstart with the personality test.
Let's look at your OCA, let'slook at where you are and let's
see what's recommended.
Let's see if.
I'm getting you into a life.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
If we can and I want to make that point if we can.
Sometimes you use a personalitytest.
You do a personality test andthe only thing you get out of
the personality test is it'stelling you there's something
going on here and thepersonality test isn't accurate.
And then we've got work to dobefore we can even do the
personality test.
I've run into that lately.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, wherever the start is.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Right and you have to trust the process.
But the thing is, you have tosurrender to the fact that, look
, we're trying to do this right,we're trying to do this
correctly and we can't bend therules for any particular person
just because they want to haveinformation that's incorrect.
That tells me that there'ssomething there going on, and we
(46:42):
talked about ethics, tech andadmin in an earlier podcast last
week is ethics is a personalthing, but you have to look at,
okay, why am I demanding this?
Why am I needing this?
Why am I telling this to myauditor?
That sort of a thing you haveto surrender at some point and
(47:02):
trust the process there, andthat's part of playing Monopoly
as well.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, I did a teaching some years ago, and it
was called the Art of being aMaster Student.
The Art of being a MasterStudent, the Art of being a
Master Student, and in order foryou to become a master teacher,
in order for you to become aspiritual master, whatever that
mastery looks like for you, herewe call it operating Thetan.
But in order for you to hitcertain heights, you must first
(47:33):
be a master student before youcan become a master, and so this
is something I'm working onpreaching to myself.
Let me get on course, charles.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah, you get it.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
You ain't going to tell me.
You ain't going to tell me, butyeah, so being a master student
is really key and what I'mloving about this opportunity
and I've done many others butwhat I love about this
opportunity is I can do it fromthe comfort of my home office.
I can go in, I can log into thecollege, I can tap into what I
(48:08):
need to tap into, I can get thegains that I get.
I get it right less than 10feet away from me and I can go
in get it and get what I needand continue my progress in that
moment.
And it serves me well to beable to do it that way.
(48:30):
When before it would require megoing to Bali or it would
require me doing some otherstuff, or whatever my journey
was at the time, it wouldrequire me every Saturday going
out and knocking on doors.
It will require me doing somuch.
And now I get to do this thingwith a level of ease that I
appreciate.
I really do appreciate it as itrelates to ALGPNU, jonathan.
(48:53):
I do appreciate that level ofease that it affords me.
So you know, this has been myexperience and I just think that
level of ease that it affordsme.
So this has been my experienceand I just think that we have
come to a place wherespirituality, or should I say
religion, has taken thismonopoly.
Monopolistic is monopolistic aword, a monopoly kind of
viewpoint where it's like we gotall the answers, we're all or
(49:18):
nothing whatever, and all I sayis come see what this is about
and come see if this helps youbecome more able and helps you
become more you, and that's theclarion call for me.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, and in that again LRH says that somebody
lower on the bridge has no ideathe gains that are possible on
the upper end of the bridge.
Because it's almostunconscionable, because it isn't
something that's readilyconceived and it's an entirely
(49:59):
different type of monopoly.
Wouldn't you like to have amonopoly on your ability to
postulate, be aware, manifest,whatever it is?
And I lean towards in thatdirection.
So Quentin has to take off.
(50:20):
So we're going to close thisone out.
He says goodbye, he's gotanother session he has to do.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
I'm here for it, okay .
Speaker 1 (50:29):
We're going to wrap this up and just say why not
have a monopoly on you insteadof a monopoly having you?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
That's so good Instead of a monopoly having you
.
That's so good Instead of amonopoly having you.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Buy a board that you like.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Buy a board that you want to play, make your own
board and then have a monopolyon you, because anything and
everything that happens to you,you cause Good, bad or
indifferent and you can reallydo this and it doesn't take very
long at all.
You just have to put your headdown and you need to start
(51:05):
running up the bridge and getgoing.
Every little step matters andit makes a difference.
More case gain, and more casegain and it exponentially
increases and you're there andnow you can create your own
monopoly board.
You can create your own rules,because you understand how the
physical universe works with thetheta universe.
And that's the most importantthing and again, I need more OTs
(51:31):
standing next to me and thethings that we're going to be
able to achieve just in thisyear Upcoming, and the things
that we're going to be able toachieve just in this year
Upcoming.
And I appreciate that and andand and, and Arthur is too.
But it doesn't take a long time.
Disagree that it has to take along time.
It doesn't.
(51:53):
You can be OT in less than twoyears.
You can be clear in less thansix months.
Yes, that's the truth.
You know.
Start, start playing the gameof Monopoly that you want to
play and don't let the game playyou Awesome.
So for Quentin and Arthur, wehope you got something out of
this podcast, and it is a bitabstract, but it's only abstract
(52:13):
because it's something youhaven't approached yet and you
haven't seen.
But, trust me, lrh gave us someabsolutely unbelievably
incredible gifts and they'rethere and we're trying to just
get those out to people the wayhe intended, and we're here to
help you and we'd reallyappreciate your help if you got
yourself up the bridge.
We love you, namaste.
(52:35):
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Peace, bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.
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