SE10EP19 - Force and Velocity - Current Events on Planet Earth

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What if the media is controlling how you think about the world? Join us for a fascinating conversation with Arthur Moudakis and Quenton Stroud as we journey through the complex maze of current events, conspiracy theories, and political upheaval from an independent Scientologist's point of view. We dig deep into the transformations in the United States' financial systems under the new administration, particularly those involving the U.S. Treasury and international real estate in Gaza. With charismatic figures like Bob Hawke and Donald Trump on the radar, we unpack how their media portrayal influences public perception and even divides communities, including those in the independent Scientology movement.

As we forge ahead, we touch on the intersection of history and speculation, drawing connections between the Trump family and Nikola Tesla's hidden technologies. Are platforms like TikTok manipulating what we see and think? This episode doesn't shy away from exploring the risks faced by inventors of groundbreaking innovations and the unique position of Elon Musk in the digital landscape. By looking at the rapid pace of technological and societal changes, we emphasize the need for vigilance and readiness as the world shifts beneath our feet.

Finally, we tackle the thorny topics of government surveillance, cryptocurrency, and societal control. What does a cashless society mean for our personal freedom and privacy? Through an insightful dialogue on Civilization-like strategies and real-world consequences, we address the socio-economic dangers and shifts, from the COVID-19 work-life balance disruption to potential changes in social security. By reflecting on the teachings of historical figures, we consider the power of awareness and the ability to see through deception in our interconnected lives.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of
the Church podcast.
I'm here with Arthur Mudakis.
Quentin is traveling and hasthe day off this podcast again,
just like the last one.
We started talking about thingsand I said, okay, let's hit
record and let's see where thisgoes.
So working title on this one wedon't know what it's going to
be.
This is going to be walkingdown the yellow brick road and

(00:25):
seeing what happens when we makethat journey, whether there's
an emerald city or somethingelse at the end of the yellow
brick road.
So we were talking aboutcurrent events in the United
States from an independentScientologist's point of view.
We don't do this very often andit will be dated, obviously, as

(00:50):
time goes on and we do morepodcasts.
This is February the 5th, 2025,10.20 am, south Africa time.
And what is it?
4.20 there, 7.20 pm, 7.20,excuse me, this side of the
world, that's right.
That's right.
7.20 pm on the east coast ofAustralia-ish.

(01:13):
So a lot has happened.
We're going to get into the LRHperspective on economics,
production, et cetera.
I think that's where this isgonna head, but we'll see what
happens.
So we're currently looking at aslow dismantling of the current

(01:37):
US financial infrastructure withthis new administration and I'd
like to make a point in thispodcast that neither of us are
what you would call political byany stretch of the imagination.
So if you're pro-Trump, ifyou're not pro-Trump, this is

(01:58):
the podcast for you, becausethis is just looking at it from
a big picture, it's not from apolitical slant or anything like
that.
Just looking at it from a bigpicture.
It's not from a political slantor anything like that.
So here we are looking atalmost a month since things have

(02:18):
changed in the United States.
We have a South Africanexpatriate taking apart the US
Treasury Department throughcomputers and computing,
shutting down aid.
We have the current presidentsaying that they're going to
raise Gaza, move everybody outof their homes after expelling

(02:43):
them, basically, and turningGaza into another prime real
estate territory where they'regoing to turn it into a
developer's dream.
Did I actually say that?

(03:04):
I'm just so?
So you and and this was thiswas done with the Palestinian
prime minister on stage with himat the same time.
So you have to ask yourself wasthis sure?
Has a?
It sure smacks of?
It was all planned, that's.

(03:28):
That's hard to confront, andwhere are these people going to
go?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
and and it's kind of tricky as well, because you
don't know how long these thingshave actually been planned for
um, because I came across adocumentary, a document that a
friend of mine had sent me, andI looked at it the other day.
It was 2017.
And it was talking about what'scoming up as far as like the

(03:56):
new world order agenda that wascreated Don't quote me on this,
but I'm pretty sure it wasaround the 40s, so this thing
has been in burning in thebackground ever since then, and
it was interesting becauseamerica and australia were big
players in, according to thisdocument, and that included a

(04:24):
one world income.
That included a no bankingsystem.
That also included theseparation of families, so
bringing tactics in to break upfamilies.
There was another part of itaround localizing farming.

(04:44):
There was a.
There was another part of itaround localizing farming, so,
so farming was just would bedone in one part of the world as
opposed to multiple parts ofthe world, so all the farming
would come from one place.
Um, a whole heap of stuff, andfor us here in australia, a lot
of things were organized back inbob Hawke's time that nobody

(05:06):
really recognises, and I don'tknow if you guys are familiar
with Bob Hawke, but Bob Hawkewas like one of Australia's most
famous prime ministers, youknow, he really enjoyed a beer,
he enjoyed a good joke, he was avery public figure and people
loved him.
But he also signed off on a lotof these things towards a

(05:32):
one-world organization and a lotof people don't know that,
which I find really interesting.
But they love him for who hewas.
And so how many of these things, how many things like that do
we see you know what I meanwhere one of these characters
presents themselves in such afashion that they're a lovable

(05:52):
character, but then there arethings they're doing.
And then you got someone liketrump, who's you know very
unlovable and unloved by so many.
Because here in the media inaustralia, every time you know
trump's mentioned on on theradio, they just potty mouth him
.
But like there's already a, youknow and this is on community

(06:15):
radio, you know what I meanthey're already expressing their
ideas around this man andmaking it public.
So so of course, so many peoplewill hear that and
automatically hate the man.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, yeah well it's a cult of personality type of a
thing, even with Bob and withTrump.
One of the interesting things.
I wanted to make a note of thisand I've never said anything
about this.
I don't think I've ever saidanything about this in the
podcast.
Make a note of this and I'venever said anything about this.
I don't think I've ever saidanything about this in the
podcast.

(06:48):
Trump is a very divisive bydefinition.
Divisive divide is the rootword for divisive.
He's a very divisivepersonality and back in 2015,
for example, the Facebook groupswhere most of the independent
Scientology community was was alot more vibrant from 2010 to

(07:14):
about 2013 and a half 2014,.
Until the Marty Rathbun thingtook place, and it's been one of
those things where there'salways these new personalities
or at least there was.
There hasn't been anything inquite some time, but there's a
reason for that and I want totake a side rail here real quick

(07:35):
.
When Trump started running foroffice for his first term, it
such a divisive thing that youhad Scientologists independent
Scientologists who you either.
They either loved him or theyhated him, and there were more

(07:56):
that loved him and I.
There were even people thatwere saying and I couldn't
believe it when I saw this,because all they had to do is
check birthdates and stuff likethat.
But you know, and then you canget off into.
You know how it could havehappened anyway.
But you know is Trump LRH.
Lrh died in 86.

(08:17):
Trump was already around, oh,and Quinton might be able to
make it in 30 minutes.
So we can have him jump on here.
So what happened to theseindependent Scientology groups
on Facebook?
Originally, there were earlieriterations before Facebook, but

(08:39):
what happened is when MartyRathbun came around and he used
to be he was was the inspectorgeneral for ethics and I've
talked about him before in otherpodcasts.
He came out and he startedoffering services and trying to
shoot down Miscavige and allthis stuff, and then lawsuits
happened.
He started coming up with hisown auditing processes.

(09:01):
I went down to see him.
I found out what he was reallylike.
He was on the phone with MikeRinder.
Mike Rinder was saying yes, sir, no sir, right away sir.
This was in the winter of 2010.
And he showed his true colorsto me and I got the hell out of
there and was even filmed forthe Today Show part two with a

(09:25):
two-part interview with MikeRinder's wife, and they never
aired the second part and Martyheld me responsible for that
because they interviewed me oncamera.
But Marty was one of the guysthat started to divide the field
.
That was the first division.
Then you had Trump, who was thebigger division, and so you

(09:49):
individualize and youfractionalize and you
marginalize people and you haveall this vitriol going on and
there's no ARC, and so itsubdivides and it subdivides.
And then, and then LRH 2.0 cameon the scene and that
subdivided it again.
And now the group, almost allof the groups, they're just dead

(10:14):
.
They're just dead.
And it's clear it was anoperation Maybe not the Trump
thing, but it's clear that itwas an operation that there's
just nothing but flakes in allof these groups for the most
part, and you have a lot oflurkers who don't say anything
because they don't want to getembroiled in any arguments and
stuff like that.
So, uh, that same tactic iswhat you see happening globally.

(10:37):
You have that.
You see that same thing withthe lgbt community.
The race community got allthese subdivisions that have
been created, and now it's herewe are, he's in office again and
we're seeing even moresubdivisions happen and it's

(10:59):
bigger and darker than ever.
So that's what I see happening.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
What do you that's?
It's a hard one because, likewe were saying just before, we
hit record.
Well, as I was saying, it'slike there's there's a massive
amount of trust moving forward,because it'll either be a really
good thing or it'll be a reallybad thing, and it doesn't
matter which side of the fenceyou're on.
We don't know until we'll haveno idea.

(11:32):
Um no, and like, even justlooking at um sorry, john, and
even just looking at um, some ofthe executive orders that trump
has already signed over thelast what?
Not even two weeks, yet threeweeks, three weeks, national
border emergencies, the wholeonly two gender thing.

(11:55):
So abolishing the whole agendathing, end to automatic
citizenship, withdrawing fromthe Paris Climate Agreement, the
restoration of free speech, nomore work from home, renaming
the Gulf of Mexico and keepingTikTok online, and they're very

(12:16):
interesting things.
So this is where it becomestricky because, depending on
your own personal perspectivetowards what you believe is
acceptable and unacceptable,that's where you're going to
start getting grievances aroundsome of these changes Like so
the LGBT, you know, aren't goingto like the whole only two

(12:39):
gender aspect at all, and that'sa big population of people.
And for so long that's beenquite a yeah, and that's been
quite a topic for I don't knowwhat the last 15, 20 years.
It's taken that long to buildup to, to what it is now.
And then, all of a sudden, thisman comes along.

(12:59):
He's like no, you know, there'sno longer an alphabet, it's
just two genders, right what didyou see?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
was it yesterday or the day before he's he's?
He signed an executive orderthat all churches are now
businesses and they no longerhave tax-exempt status, which
affects the church ofscientology as well that's
really interesting I can see alot of businesses moving to

(13:28):
other countries, taking theirbusiness from america and then
setting up shock elsewhere,right right, these mega churches
having big, huge zoom meetingsor something like that, you know
, and then their server is basedin iceland.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, to fair, a lot of businesses are already
like that to some degree,whether it's through Asian
countries, whether it's throughIndia or I don't know how it is
over where you are.
But here you call up a localservice and you're talking to
someone from India Yep, yeah,just the way it's set up.

(14:06):
Someone from India, yep, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Any of the services we use for the org.
All of their customer supportis out of India or Pakistan.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yep, yep, which is interesting as well.
So then, if you kind of look at, like I don't know what is
Trump devising, like what is thefuture plan?
Is it the new world order?
Is it a one world economy?
Is it going to be a tyranny, oris it going to be something

(14:37):
that actually is favorable forthe human species?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, I'm going to pose a controversial statement
in saying okay, so when apresident goes into office, the
first thing they do, the firstthing they do is they dismantle
all of the things that theoutgoing president did that they

(15:06):
don't agree with.
Yeah, so, unless they get asecond term and they can keep it
going and get something donerapidly, I mean, and he only has
one term, this is his last term.
Now, that is a thing that isbeing put out there, that he may

(15:28):
, and again, this is not.
He is not.
He might stay in.
He might devise a way to stayin because, this is less than a
century that.
This rule is that you can onlyhave two terms.
So with the Republicanscontrolling the House and

(15:52):
controlling the Senate now, theydon't have a huge lead, but
money talks.
Money talks to these guys thatare Democrats.
New people get employed all thetime Right, sex scandals, you
know, whatever People have, caraccidents.
You know Right, you know, youknow.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Engine failure in an airplane.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, you know, your plane goes down in the Potomac,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
An infected scratch.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Right, right, I mean, you know, as the mafia guys say
, you know it's a dangerousworld here.
Something could happen to you.
That's a distinct possibility.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's a distinct possibility.
Yes, one thing that's alwaysintrigued me about Donald Trump
is have you heard the story?
And I don't know.
This is the thing, right?
We don't actually know what'sreal and what's not real.
And this is what makes it hard,right, because I heard a story
a while ago where Nikola Tesladied a while ago, where, um,

(17:11):
when nikola tesla died, um, itwas donald trump's either uncle
or grandfather.
That was one of the people thatcollected, that emptied out um,
nikola tesla's yes, um, hotelroom.
Yes, I've seen that there waslike ufo documents and all these
.
You know, I mean, tesla wasquite incredible with his
imagination.
Yeah, he's very diverse, yeah,so it kind of makes me wonder.

(17:32):
You know, you had Hitler, whowas fascinated with the occult
and looking for the Ark andlooking for all these objects
and things like that, and thenyou've got a family member of
Trump's that's got thistechnology, plans for technology
that was never published orpatented.

(17:54):
There's this weird littlemystical aspect to it as well.
He's not an Obama, you knowwhat I mean.
He's not any of the previousprime ministers.
He's completely unique in avery interesting period of this

(18:15):
era.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
So you have to look at it and go okay if this is,
and to our listeners at it andgo okay if this is, and and to
our listeners if what we'reseeing in the media, which is
completely and and anybody whowho thinks that this isn't the
case, is completely, completelycontrolled.
The media, they, they has beenbought, sold and paid for and is

(18:40):
completely controlled.
And this is this even includestick to.
We can get into that for just asecond too.
When TikTok got shut down rightas he was coming into office
and again, I'm not sayinganything for or against Trump, I
am saying that as soon as hewas going into office at the

(19:02):
same time, that as soon as hewas going into office at the
same time, tiktok was shut down.
And now, if you go into theterms of service and you look at
TikTok's terms of service,facebook owns it.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I'm going to look at that right now, actually,
because I haven't.
I don't even know if we'reallowed TikTok here, because I'm
going to ban it in Australia.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And now TikTok has turned into Milktoast and
Facebook and Instagram are onthere and if you block them it
changes your algorithm on whatyou see.
So this is a very interestingturn of events.
You've got to lock down thecontra narrative that you don't

(19:44):
want to be said.
Now, of course, there's stillstuff happening on TikTok that's
still getting out, but it'sgetting harder and harder to
find what's really going on,which is what you can see.
Tiktok was sort of like theindependent news service,
because anybody could have aphone and they could be
somewhere and say service,because anybody could have a

(20:05):
phone and they could besomewhere and say I saw a thing
last night where there wereliteral firefights with
ammunition and guns going onaround the city of Memphis,
tennessee, and you could hear itand it sounded like you were
over in Eastern Europe orsomething.
It was intense.
What's going on that we don'tknow about?
What's really happening andthat's the thing that scares me

(20:30):
is I'm not even going to pointmy finger, just like with Ms
Cabbage.
I'm not pointing my finger atMs Cabbage, he's just a puppet.
I think Trump is a puppet aswell, and money talks, but for
who?
Trump is a puppet as well andmoney talks, but for who?
Well, the guys that have themoney to control the narrative.
And you know, just like withthese senators, they already

(20:56):
tried to take his life when hewas out, you know, speaking in
public.
Yeah, they tried to kill him.
So you know the the, thatthreat is real, that threat is
real and it gets people to dothings that they wouldn't do
otherwise.
You know, I mean, we've seen itthroughout, throughout history

(21:17):
how, how, how, kings and Queenshave erased families from the
planet, literally erasedfamilies from the planet,
literally erased families fromthe planet if they didn't do
what they wanted to do.
And this was long before theautomatic rifle, long before.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, you knowthe guy that?
Yeah, and that's it.
Yeah, the guy that invented thecar that runs on water was

(21:40):
poisoned.
As an example, anybody thatcomes up with free energy
devices and rears their headlong enough is taken out.
Now, I'm not trying to make thisall doom and gloom or anything
like that, but it's aninteresting perspective, from an
independent Scientologistviewpoint, to look at this
situation and what's going on.
And luck favors the prepared,luck favors the prepared, and

(22:04):
this is something that that'show this whole conversation got
started right before we starteddoing the podcast is things are
moving at a faster clip than Ihave ever seen them move before
in my entire 56-year life and Ifind it very concerning.
And I've tooted Elon Musk'shorn a lot for all of the things

(22:26):
that he can get done andeverything.
But it's also a good point tosay who allowed him to do these
things.
Who allowed him, who financedhim?
And, of course, he's the guythat developed PayPal and he

(22:47):
made a ton of money off ofselling PayPal to the PayPal
mafia.
But who's allowing him to do allof this stuff?
And how is it that you haveElon in there basically tearing
out all of these programs andhas his guy's hands on the
computers that are stopping thisaid, that have access to
everyone's social securitynumber, everybody's credit

(23:08):
history, you name it.
He's in there and he is noteven an elected official.
He is not part of the UnitedStates government.
That is something that isconcerning, very, very
concerning, because he can't befired.
He can be prosecuted, buthere's the deal wait for it.

(23:34):
Trump has the ability to pardonanyone that's right.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
That's right, including himself.
Yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
That's questionable, but the thing is is, if he has
enough generals, that's enough.
He has enough generals in hispocket.
It's easy.
It's easy to see.
This is whether he'scontrolling it or somebody else
is controlling it.
It is a slow, moving coup thatwe're not seeing, but any coup

(24:08):
seems slow when you don't haveall of the information, and this
is something that we, asindependent Scientologists, need
to be aware of, because historyshows.
You have all these people thatwere in these different
countries, who saw these coupshappen and and they're saying
this is exactly what happened ingermany.

(24:29):
There's not many of them leftand from germany at that time,
but there are some and they'vesaid this is what's happening.
What happening, what happenedthen is happening now.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
It's the same thing before you know it go ahead it's
a hard one, hey, because, um,you know, there is that saying
history repeats itself.
Um, you know, many, manykingdoms have risen and crashed.
Um, which way is it going to gonow?

(25:02):
It's like the stock marketit'll close high today and open
low tomorrow.
Um, yeah, like, yeah, yeah.
I think, um many people'sanxiety will be extremely peaked
through this period because,yeah, which way is it going to
go?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, and if you look at Trump's view on crypto and
he started his own coin and Ibelieve it's in the $30 range I
mean, isn't that a conflict ofinterest?
Isn't that a conflict ofinterest?
A sitting president has createdhis own cryptocurrency and I

(25:43):
think the direction is and thishas been going in that direction
for a long time is they'regoing to get rid of a cash
society and they're going toturn it into crypto.
Because if you can do that,then you control everybody, then
you can put them on a basicincome where cash isn't accepted
anymore.
Yes, there's no such thing,it's just crypto.

(26:04):
And then you have the socialcredit score which the Chinese
have already put in place.
It's literally Black Mirror,that episode in Black Mirror
where if you jaywalk, you get ademerit, if you're late on this,
you get a demerit, and all Ihave to do is push a button,

(26:27):
just push a button and say youdon't have any money.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
But to some degree a lot of the world is already like
that.
It may not be as precise or, asI don't know, you can't be held
as easily accountable, likewe're still in a position where
we could still get aroundcertain aspects of the law

(26:52):
without being punished, ofcourse, if you don't get caught.
You know moving money, you knowspeeding without getting caught
driving your car, all thesekinds of things.
As a public, we still have theability to do some cheeky things

(27:13):
to better our own survival.
But realistically, if youweren't one of those people that
was a bit cheeky, then you'realready in that system.
You're already complying to therules and the terms and the
conditions.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, because it's been a slow roll.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
There's a handful of people, yeah, but a handful of
people will step outside of that, Like in my circle, like
there's a handful of people thatI know that will step outside
of the box.
But then there's a lot ofpeople that you know are happy
being in that box.
They're happy sticking to therules.
You know they're happy to waitfor the light to turn green

(27:52):
before they cross the road.
You know what I mean.
But then there's populationthat is like you know it's safe
for me to walk, I'll just walk,I don't even push the button.
As an example.
You know it's safe for me towalk, I'll just walk, I don't
even push the button.
As an example, you know.
So you've got these twodifferent, very, very two
different mindsets and then youget something like this coming
along.
Some people will easily slipinto it, but some people are

(28:15):
going to be very resistant tothe change and if it does become
that way, I'd probably be oneof those people that'd be very
resistant to it.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, way, I'd probably be one of those people
that'd be very resistant to it.
Yeah, well, and that's that's.
You know the.
The issue is is, you know, we,we saw the narrative for the
longest time that they weregoing to put chips in everybody.
Yes, yeah, so you had to showyou still, it's, it's still a
possibility.
Same thing it's.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's called a smartphone if it's, it's either
a possibility or a definite oneof the two yeah, I mean they
know where you're at at anygiven time.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It can can triangulate your position in a
matter of seconds.
Seconds, yeah, where you're atwith your phone, they can tell
you.
Google knows, unless you shutit off.
Google knows where you've been,where you are, since you had
that phone and since you had thephone before that.
If you didn't shut it off,there's a map that shows you

(29:12):
that.
They know where you're at atany given time and you'd be a
fool to think the governmentdoesn't have access to that.
Yeah, whatever government it is, unless you're talking like a
serious third world country.
I mean, you can't even get acell phone in South Africa
without showing your ID.
You can't buy a SIM card unlessit's black market, and I

(29:39):
wouldn't even begin to know howto get something like that that
isn't associated with you.
So you can't even buy a burnerphone in south africa.
Yeah, you used to be able to inthe us.
I don't, I don't.
I don't know if you have toshow your id to buy a, a walmart
burner phone, but that's thething is is whether you have a
chip in you or not.
Every single one of ourlisteners, with the exception of

(30:02):
maybe the older generation, mydad's generation, for example,
in their 70s or 80s, and even hehas a smartphone.
He has an Apple Watch and allthis stuff.
There it is.
There's your information andknowledge is power.
So they know what you're saying, they know what you're,
basically what you're thinking.

(30:22):
I mean, whatever you look at on.
I mean, if you say it on yourphone, it shows up on Facebook
in 10 minutes or less.
I'm thinking about buying this.
There it is.
And then you get on Google andthere it is, and they're sharing
this information.
I mean it's quite literallywhat was in Minority Report with
Tom Cruise almost 20 years ago.

(30:44):
He walks by an advertising signand all of a sudden it knows his
name.
It scanned his eyes and it'sadvertising to him about what it
was that he was reading aboutor looking at buying on his
device earlier that day, andthis is before we had
smartphones.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, and so it becomes a question of will it
make us freer beings, or are wejust going to be human farms?
well, I guess that's for thelistener to you know to decide
and the creativeness that we'lllose as human beings.
You know, even cheekycreativeness, you know will will

(31:26):
definitely be numbed down in ascenario like that.
You know, you just wake up,your word kind of.
Not much different to the waywe are now, but in a more
dystopian, definitely controlledmanner, whereas right now we
still have the belief that we'resomewhat free to some degree.

(31:48):
But the truth is, as you justexpressed, with the phones,
that's our own misunderstood.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
That's our own misunderstood.
Yeah, and the point of thepodcast is just to be aware of
what's going on and, like LRHsays, getting involved in earth
politics is the last thing youwant to do as a Scientologist.
He actually says that Don't getinvolved Because the

(32:20):
commonality of the whole thingis the reactive mind.
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And that's insidious.
What is the point of thispodcast?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, I think the point is that you need to do
your due diligence and don'tpick a side.
Don't pick a side, don't pick aside.
Yeah, you know, you have tolook at it from an exterior
viewpoint, so just continuefocusing on the self.
Yeah, I mean you can get caughtup in this.
I mean I was watching a guy onTikTok this morning over coffee

(32:55):
in bed this morning over coffeein bed and I really, I, I really
see the things that that he'stalking about.
You know, movies, for example,the the quality of movies has
gone downhill.
I don't even bother to go see amovie at a movie theater
anymore because it is so false,plasticized.

(33:20):
I mean a movie like the matrix,for example, 19 fall of 1998.
Uh, that was, that was a an eyeopener.
I was really surprised thathollywood let that one out,
because ho is sold lock, stockand barrel and anybody that

(33:40):
knows anything about what'sreally going on in Hollywood.
You know, when you get into thepizza gate thing and all of
this stuff and the things thatthese, these people are forced
to believe, to the point towhere, once they, they join the,
the cabal, now they have youand they've got blackmail on you
and you're going to do what wetell you to do.
These are your marching ordersand your script is going to say

(34:02):
this and it's going to have anarrative of this Almost every
movie that is put out, everysong that is put out, and we
talked about this not too longago, how they changed the
frequency at which music thestandard of music is in order to
alter the way people think, andthis was done two generations

(34:25):
ago.
You know you're dealing with.
You know people say well, youknow, on the backtrack there
were these implants that youknow?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're seeing the same thingnow.
You're seeing the same thingnow.
You are indoctrinated.
It isn't, you're going to beindoctrinated.
You are indoctrinated and youneed to take a look at that and

(34:50):
back up from it and go okay, Ineed to un-indoctrinate myself.
And for whatever reason, hubbardwas at one point, was part of
it and then backed away from itand then became outside of it
and tried to do the best hecould for everyone.
And you see that on the OTlevels, that this guy was trying

(35:12):
to emancipate beings from thiswash, rinse, repeat system of
the best way to control somebodyis to lie to them.
And this is the common theme onthis whole thing is you can't
believe a darn thing you're toldin the media and you shouldn't.
You should get information fromother sources.
And if you can't getinformation from other sources

(35:34):
and it bothers you that much,you might want to just
disconnect and get away fromsocial media, because that's how
you're being controlled.
And when I say social media, Imean Facebook, instagram, tiktok
, all this stuff.
And I'm just as guilty of it.
I don't spend much time onFacebook at all.
I use Facebook primarily to getahold of you and Quentin just

(35:56):
through Messenger, but I knowthat anything I say is going
into the system.
It's hard not to that's right,unless it's encrypted.
So one of the things that we'redoing is we're trying to
develop apps where AI can audityou Yep, okay, you and

(36:25):
secondarily, if worse thingscome to worse, you can do this
locally.
You don't have to haveconnection to the internet.
You could do it on yourcomputer, you could do it on
your phone in some cases.
Now we're not there yet, butwe're, we're almost there with
with our first stage of this, ofthis plan, because the more
you're, the higher yourawareness is, the less liable

(36:46):
you are to fall for the bullshitthat's being put out there,
whether it's politically,socially, whatever, whatever.
And this brings us back to thatshades of night statement that
he made, that LRH made in thefifties during the Philadelphia
doctor course I think it'slecture 22 where he says you
have a, you have a brief windowof opportunity.

(37:06):
And that brief window ofopportunity is closing as the
shades of night come down andyou need to look at what's going
on here and you need to getyourself up the bridge.
And you need to look at what'sgoing on here and you need to
get yourself up the bridge andyou need to educate yourself now
.
Now More than ever, more thanever.

(37:27):
And I'm not doom and gloomingit, I'm just saying the writing
is on the wall.
Okay, the writing is on thewall, I think more than ever,
wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
look, I do agree and um, and I totally agree with the
aspect of not buying into thepolitics and not taking, because
that stuff, that's that's whereyou start dismissing who you
are.
Um, that's when you startdismissing who you were born to
be.
That's when your creativitystarts lessening, because all

(38:03):
your focus is going on to, tothese things, which takes you
away from being a human being,as an individual, because then
you're becoming a human being asa robot, buying into so many
things.
That's where you'll lose yourspiritual freedom, that's where

(38:25):
you'll lose your humanindependence, that's where
you'll lose those aspects.
And I do strongly believe thatthose things can still be upheld
, even in a tyrannical situation, even in such a situation where
you feel that you can't be.

(38:47):
And I think there's a power inthat that we easily dismiss and
I think could probablydisbelieve as well.
Think could probably disbelieveas well.
Um, you know it's like, it'slike submitting to the end while
you're still alive.
You know, you just submit,that's it.

(39:07):
I give up, um, as opposed to,as opposed to, internally and
spiritually, continuing as aspiritual being, regardless of
you know your surrounds, becausethat is probably more powerful
than being told.
You know what to do and how todo it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, the distraction is a PTP, it's a present time
problem.
Yes, you know how does anybodyfeel creative when they have a
big present time problem?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
No, Well, no, because that becomes your focus yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Whether I'm going to survive.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
You know, um, and and I don'tknow, there's, there's a life
force in our beings that I think, throughout our lives, many of
us may tap into occasionally,but then sometimes I think

(40:12):
there'll be a lot of people thatare just completely unaware of
that aspects of our beings aswell, um, and which is kind of
scary in its own way as well, Um, without going too dark or too
deep, um, there's definitely afight of good versus evil, no

(40:34):
doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I mean that's in a in a very basic sense.
Yeah, it mean that's in a verybasic sense.
Yeah, it's, it's obvious andthe the best thing you can do is
don't believe a goddamn thingyou see in the media.
Don't believe it.
You're being told what thosesources want you to hear.

(40:55):
Period and and LH said aboutthat the emergence of chaos, and
that is very much the case.
I can't say that I know what'sgoing on, even as an OT.
I mean I have a sense and Ileft the US because I could see

(41:16):
this isn't looking good.
It was very perceptible.
It isn't good at all what'shappening here.
This is not the country I usedto know by.
By any stretch of theimagination, I'd say so the same
for me.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like in just in my time.
Um, you know, the things I'veseen change just in my time has
been mind-boggling, um, it'sbecoming like australia used to
be fairly loose, um, in manyways, you know, you'd see kids

(41:54):
playing out on the street allthe time.
You'd see, um, you know,families doing family things all
the time and then slowly,slowly, slowly, you still see
those things occasionally andthey still do occur, but not to
the frequency it used to occur,as I recall at all.
You know at all.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
At all.
A funny example Before I leftthe US the Halloween.
Before I left the US, I was outdriving around on the night of
Halloween and I thought this isreally creepy.

(42:36):
There aren't any kids going outdoor-to-door trick-or-treating
anymore.
Yep, I drove throughneighborhoods that I knew had
kids in it.
You know suburban neighborhoodsand everything.
Kids aren't trick-or-treatinganymore and I thought I never.
And you could say well, youknow that's, you know, but it

(42:57):
was post-COVID.
Yep, see, there are thesesubtle changes, these social
changes that you know.
Stores closing early I mean,even in South Africa things
aren't the same.
Restaurants close earlier.
Stores on Sunday the storesclose at 2 o'clock.

(43:20):
The mall closes on Sunday at 2o'clock.
Why even bother opening?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
What will you guys do ?
You know, I actually wish thatwas like that here, because
people would have to actuallystop and spend time with their
families and spend time doingthings and spend time if they
set their phones down.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
um, well, sure, um, because once upon a time here,
sundays was always it was thatway in the us too yeah, in the
us when I was a kid, and that'swhen yep, yep, families would
get together barbecue, have afew drinks a day of rest, help

(44:01):
each other in the garden or fixcars or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
It was very community orientated, whereas now it's
more individual orientated.
You don't need somebody else inyour life anymore.
You don't want to cook, youdon't have a partner, you just
get it delivered, no problem.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
No problem.
COVID did a lot of that.
The working from home, gettingstuff delivered all that stuff
stayed in place after COVID.
Now, of course, trump has saidall government workers have to
come back into the office.
You can't work from homeanymore, that type of thing, you
know.
I mean there are good sides andbad sides.

(44:45):
A lot of people at Apple weretold they couldn't work from
home either and they needed tocome back into the office for
Apple and a lot.
There were a lot of people thatquit because they liked working
from home.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Okay, so let's take that as an example now, right?
Okay, so Trump wants to abolishthose things.
Now, is he doing that to createsomething new, or is he doing
that to rectify something thatwe don't know, rectify something
that we don't know?

(45:19):
So was COVID a testing groundfor a certain path?
And then Trump's come in andhe's like no, we're not taking
that path, we're going to goback, we're going to straighten
back up.
Yeah, here's Quentin.
Is it the other way?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, is it the other way?
Should, is it the other way?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Well, should we end this one and then start a new
one with Quinton?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, we'll pull him in and see what his viewpoint is
from Malaysia.
All right, see if he hops onhere.
Hey, pete, hey.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
We need to bring you up to speed.
We've been talking about all ofthe changes happening both in
the US and globally over thelast three weeks since the
administration change and wewere talking about just now.
We were talking about the workfrom home changes and what Trump

(46:16):
has said that all governmentworkers need to return back to
the office and they can't workfrom home.
He's just trying to dismantlethe Department of Education, the
Gaza Strip is going to beturned into a real estate
venture and all the people aregoing to be displaced things
like that.
So what are you seeing fromyour side in Malaysia?

(46:42):
What do you think of all ofthis, gwyn?

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Oh, I think it's funny.
I think it's funny, I thinkit's laughable, I think it's
hilarious, I think it'swonderful, wonderful.
I think that whatever he wantto do, let him do it.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Absolutely.
And why do you say that?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Because, listen, I was clear a long time ago that
the direction that America isgoing is not the direction that
I want to be a part of.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Did you say Ameri-ka-ka.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Ameri-ka-ka-ka KKK.
I was told a long time ago thatthe direction it was going.
I don't want to be a part of it, and so I got out of.
I got out of, got out of dodgeand I encouraged everybody who
was in a similar of a similarmindset.
You might want to go too.
I said it before it happened.

(47:46):
Lo and behold, here we are.
And so anything, if he want tobe the next kim jong un, you let
him have it.
He literally said it, y said it.
Y'all heard his hot mic, thehot mic thing.
Y'all heard that right.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Just recently he got called on the hot mic and the
guy asked him.
He said is Kim Jung-un going tobe coming to the White House?
He said I don't know if we'regoing to be able to get him.
He was like, but you know, hewas a tight ship over there and
he said he's basically sayingwhen he says something, when Kim
Jong-un says something, all hispeople stand up and listen.

(48:27):
They stand up and they listen.
He said that's what I want allmy people to do too.
He wants to be the next KimJong-un.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I think it's hilarious, yeah that's probably
the most oppressive regime onthe planet yeah, exactly,
exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Listen, I ain't got no dog in that fight, it's just
interesting.
I was a sociology major inschool, so I look at.
One of my favorite games I playon a computer is Civilization.
I don't know if you rememberthat game called Civilization,
oh yeah, where you build empiresand stuff like that.
So when he talks about tariffsand he talks about trade wars

(49:09):
and stuff, I get all that partbecause I used to play the game
right.
So I understand it from a gamestheory kind of perspective.
It from a games theory kind ofperspective, like it's just,
it's just political theater,it's just a game.
You know, whatever, whateverthe.
The issue with it and what wedon't necessarily experience in
the game is that there'speople's lives being impacted
and so on.
On the game civilization, we'llget a little little flash up on

(49:33):
the screen that your citizensare unhappy with because they
they can't feed their children,or something like that.
You know, yeah, yeah, and you'dbe like oh, let me see if I can
move some more resources or doa trade with another nation to
get some more food in my country, or something like that.
On the game, that's how you getit, like a little flash your
citizens are unhappy, but in thereal world, these citizens,

(49:54):
whatever, can't feed their.
These citizens are having ahard time.
I was just talking to a ladytoday, 66 years old, about to be
67.
, and she is having a lot ofdifficulties and she's really
afraid because of, you know,social security and the whole
thing.
So she has like a little sidehustle thing that she's doing.
She was like but I don't knowhow I will be able to afford

(50:17):
anything that I do, you know, ifher Social Security gets
impacted, you know, on any level, yep.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And she's extremely concerned that you wouldn't
otherwise think about.
But you have people that are ondialysis, for example, who
their dialysis is paid for bygovernment funding in certain
programs and if those fundsaren't there, those people die

(50:53):
and not get dialysis.
Yep, okay, and so if you putpeople in such a pinch that the
only choice they have is tofollow what it is the path that
you're creating and say this isthe only path?
We were talking about earlierbasic income.
This puts people into aposition where they're forced to

(51:17):
take a basic income becausethey have no other choice, and
that was something I saw when Iwas in the States over the
course of two and a half decades, that people had less and less
money to where they had to liveoff of credit cards, and this
was 2018.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
They had to live off of credit cards.
I have a client right now whopays her rent on a credit card.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's just mind-blowing to me.
I mean, if that isn't anindicator of the situation, I
don't know what is that?
You have to pay interest to payyour rent.
Yep On top of.
Exactly the cost of living.
How much things.
I mean they're having issueswith getting eggs because of

(52:04):
bird flu in the United States insome areas.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I mean, you just look at this and you go.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
how many different vectors do you have to have to
say you know, you have thesefood processing plants that and
this was last year and the yearbefore mysteriously are burning
down, mysteriously burning down.
And then you have yourrefineries that are shut down on
purpose in order to make itmore scarce, to raise the price

(52:36):
of fuel.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
We have things like that happen here as well, all
the time.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
How many indicators do you have to have that, say
thou art being painted into acorner financially?
This is why LRH was so vehementabout this is the direction
this stuff is heading in, and hewas saying this 70, 60 years

(53:02):
ago.
And the reason why we do thesepodcasts is not to put fear into
people, but we're trying to saywake up, take a look at what's
going on here.
You have an opportunity.
You can do something about it.
Do something for yourself.

(53:23):
Set that phone down, stoplooking at all of this, this N
theta, just for a short period,and and get some education on on
how to survive better and howto be able to see and be aware
of what's going on.
Do not believe the media, donot believe movies, do not

(53:43):
believe anything without doingyour own due diligence and go.
Okay, where am I at now versuswhere was I at 10 years ago?
How much has changed?
Is it easier or harder tosurvive?
I think, pretty much everybodywould say it's harder.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
It's a matter of statistics.
Yeah, it's a matter ofstatistics.
You look at your trends, lookat your stats, look at your
situation and see where you arethen versus where you are now,
and if it's an up stat for you,fantastic.
But then you apply that acrossall your dynamics, like is it
the same situation with yourfamily, you know, with your

(54:20):
loved ones?
Is it the same situation withyour peers and your groups?
Is it the same situation across?
You know your country and yourneighborhood or whatever, like.
You apply that across the thingand you'll see that there is a
danger condition at play here.
There's a danger condition atplay and let me be clear, and it

(54:40):
could be, it could be thatPresident Trump is a result of
the danger that we've been inright.
It could be that this is thebypassing of normal habits and
routines.
It could be that this isapplying danger across.
You know all the dynamics,across everybody.

(55:00):
You would declare a dangercondition, you declare a danger
condition.
This is in danger, that's indanger, and it could be that
that's exactly what's beingapplied here.
I don't know.
All I'll say is this is thatwhen something is in danger of
dying, it could be a person, itcould be an organization, it
could be a country.
When something's in danger ofdying, it is going to go through

(55:24):
some sort of manifestations.
We know what happens when thesekinds of conditions are at play
, right, and we know how tohandle them, if you do right.
And so if a country is dyingand I'm not postulating anything
, I'm just saying what thecondition is If a country is on

(55:48):
its way towards non-E,non-existence, then there are
certain manifestations that youwill see, certain down stats,
certain things that you willcontinue to see over and over
and over again that will tellyou this is headed toward
non-existence.
We got to do something if we gotto do something if this is to
survive, if we're going to getback up to emergency, back up to

(56:10):
normal.
And so now he's applied theemergency powers or something
like that.
You know exactly where I wasgoing with you.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
You're a liar.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yep, yep, yep, yep You're a liar the emergency
powers establishing a newgalactic empire.
But there's all these emergencythings that's being put in
place and these emergency powersis being there.
Nobody likes it, but why isthis happening?

(56:44):
I think it's probably the way Iwant to look at it.
Why is this happening?
Is this a danger condition?
Is this?
You know what I'm saying?
I think we weigh out ofemergency.
I think we're in danger.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Well, and it's important to note that if you
know your scale of ethicsconditions okay, what's right
below danger, non-existence,yeah, okay.
Now it's a lot harder to moveup from non-existence as a
condition into danger becauseyou don't know what you need to

(57:18):
do.
But if you've gone throughdanger, gone through emergency,
gone to normal, gone intoaffluence, you now know what to
do, because you're like, well,that's what I did before, I'll
just do the same thing.
Okay, that's how you would dothis.
But in this situation, whenyou're dealing with the third
and fourth dynamic, is it reallydanger?

(57:40):
What do people do when you havea government, that is, whether
it's Democrat or Republican orindependent or whatever, you say
, okay, we need to bypass habitsand normal routines.
Did we have it better whenTrump was in office?
That's what's happened.
That's what's happened isthey're saying, well, biden just

(58:01):
fucked it all up and we'regoing to go back to Trump.
But the thing is, is this hasbeen going on for generations
where you're throwing the babyout with the bathwater and the
statistics keep going down.
The cost of living keeps goingup, the taxes you're taxed every
way, from Sunday, inpractically every country on the
planet, for everything that youdo, when you buy something,

(58:25):
when you buy gas, property tax,income tax and you have a small.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
When you die.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
When you die If you don't plan your estate properly.
You know these types of things,and this is the thing.
As a fourth dynamic, are wereally in danger or are we
applying the wrong condition?
And what happens when you applythe wrong condition?
We've mentioned this in otherpodcasts before, and it's an LRH

(58:55):
policy.
You end up two conditions lower, and that would be what
Liability.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, I think what happened with America too is
that we got to this point ofaffluence and we didn't apply
affluence correctly.
We just kept spending thosedebts and everybody who we owe
keeping the deficit.
You know, I think the last timewe had a balanced budget was

(59:46):
Clinton, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
During the.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Clinton era we had a balanced budget and we weren't
in a deficit.
I think after that it was justbeen deficit after deficit,
after deficit.
And so when you don't apply theaffluence formula right, you
take a huge crash because you'reup on this high pedestal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
And you take a huge crash.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, and so here it is the rooster
came to roost.
Yeah, and so here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
The rooster came to roost Exactly, so I'm not

(01:00:42):
surprised by any of this.
I you like I said before, it'sthose who are being adversely
affected by it, by this change.
But it has to happen, though.
We have to get out of danger ifwe're to survive?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Right, you have to bypass habits and normal
routines.
I mean, you know, with thehousing crisis quote unquote
that was completely manufacturedout of greed.
And then these banks were toobig to fail and the American
government or the taxpayers hadto bail these banks out and
everything.
And there weren't any headsrolling in the street or

(01:01:16):
anything like that, becausepeople are in apathy.
Well, what can you do?
What can you do?
Well, there's a lot you can do,and that isn't I'm not
condoning violence or anythingby saying that, I'm just using
it as a metaphor heads rollingin the street.
But the thing is, is you have tobe in better shape?

(01:01:37):
Thetans work better in numbers.
Thetans work better in numbers,ots work better in numbers, and
the more ability you have, themore awareness you have, the
more KRC that you have.
It could be said "'Okay, peoplelike you and me, quentin?
"'we're cowards because wedidn't stick around "'and we
didn't do anything about it, andI understand why somebody would

(01:02:00):
say that.
But the other viewpoint is youhave to look at from the
viewpoint of self-preservation.
Can you do better from theoutside for people than you can
in?
Has it gotten so systemic thatthe only way you can do
something is to go somewhereelse and apply a condition to

(01:02:21):
what's going on in your countryof birth or something else.
Right, you have to take a lookat that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, no, everybody who I've talked to.
There's really no considerationof cowardice.
The consideration is more smart.
They'd be like oh wow, you werevery good thing for me because
I was living in California but Ihad a lot of clients in
Southeast Asia.
Well, in Japan, I had clientsin Japan.

(01:03:11):
I had clients in Philippines.
I had clients in Africa.
I had clients in that side ofthe world.
Philippines, I had clients inAfrica.
I had clients in that side ofthe world and I was like I'm
paying California prices butworking with many clients over
in this part of the world, whydon't I just switch it?
So I started living over inthis part of the world and

(01:03:31):
working with my clients inCalifornia and other places in
America and it actually workedout a lot better for them and
for me.
This is why I believe that LRHand I was actually just looking
this up last night when LRH wentand lived on the Apollo.
The cruise ship was on thecruise ship for some time.
Listen, I need to disconnectfrom this crazy way of being and

(01:03:58):
living, to do somethingdifferent, and that's what I was
.
That's the viewpoint I wascoming from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah, handle or disconnect yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
And so I was literally looking at cruise
ships Like is there a way tolive on a cruise ship?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
There is, it's to live on a cruise ship there is.
It's about 200 grand a year andas long as they have decent
internet you can get away withit and doing what you do and
doing what we do.
I mean you can do that, but yougot to have the money to do it
and you basically have anapartment on a cruise ship.
I mean they exist.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, 100%.
I found a lady who's doing itfor $2,000 a month.
I was excited about that.
I'm going to look at herplaying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah, someplace where , instead of treading water, you
can build some reserves and youcan weather the storm and try
and have passive incomes comingin.
Lrh says having three sourcesof income, any one of them being
able to support you, is theminimum, the minimum you need to

(01:05:05):
do.
You can't just have one sourceof income.
You have to have at least three, any of them supporting you on
their own merits.
And that's the thing is.
The tools are there and I'msorry to say this.
For now the tools are there,but we keep seeing these reports

(01:05:29):
that some of these internettrunks off of the west coast of
Africa have been cut.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Okay, oh, cut Okay, oh, wow Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yeah, it doesn't take much.
You know there are workaroundsand everything like that, but
you know, if you wanted to stopeverything, all you have to do
is flick a switch and no moreinternet, for example.
That's something that you haveto take into consideration, so
you can't have something that isreliant upon one source of
communication only.

(01:06:01):
Now, that's tricky, that's very, very tricky, and I don't have
that.
You don't have that, but it'ssomething you have to look at.
Okay, I got plan B and I gotplan C, type of a thing.
Or you have to have reserves.
I think the viewpoint is youhave to have reserves that you
have access to and you're notcut off from if the internet
goes down or you know whatever.
But the thing is is that yougot to be prepared, and the only

(01:06:26):
way to be prepared is to knowwhat's going on.
The only way you can becontrolled is if you're lied to.
So and I think that that's whatI'm that's that's the title of
this podcast is going to besomething along those lines,
because we don't know what wedon't know.
In Scientology, the word isknowing how to know, and that

(01:06:47):
means the data evaluators course.
That means student hat, thatmeans getting some auditing
flowing power to those who canhelp you survive.
What's going on right now?
There's a lot more going onthat we're not aware of, and I'm
aware of the fact that there'sa lot more going on, but I don't
want to be all doom and gloomor anything like that.

(01:07:08):
But I mean, it's just a matterof perception.
I know you see it, quentin.
I know Arthur sees it.
We're just trying to make thecase of don't sit on your
laurels, do something about itand get your necessity level up
while you can and get yourselfin a position to where you won't
be the adverse effect of it anymore than you have to be 100%

(01:07:33):
that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
When it comes to making money on the internet and
being being able to stay incommunication, obviously that's
very important to many, manypeople.
Even when the whole Tik TOK banhappened in the U S that a lot
of people were affected by thattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Yeah, we were talking about that earlier and how it
changed and if you look at theterms of service on Tikiktok,
meta now owns tiktok oh, it's ameta took over.
Okay, got it yeah, that's,that's what happened is now, and
so one of the lines ofcommunication and I'm sorry to

(01:08:13):
reiterate because quentin wasn'there to our listeners but one
of the better lines ofcommunication for what was
really going on, because it'sthat man, tiktok is that man on
the street thing where anybodycan grab their phone and throw
something up on TikTok in amatter of seconds.
Now they're controlling thatbecause it was the threat, right

(01:08:33):
yeah, it's all.
It's all being re, rerepositioned for other purposes
and other reasons yeah, that'sright, and so you, you need to
be aware of these things.
And lrh talks about this andand and I've I've said this in
several other podcasts, but nowthe the lrh says that I mean you

(01:08:59):
know, and when any, and Quentin, you know about this too,
having done over 400 hours ofDianetics that it isn't what's
said in an N-gram that makes thewhole thing aberrative, it's
the force, the force in theN-gram that makes it aberrative.
And he talks about this on OT8as well, and what little

(01:09:23):
materials we have of what hesaid about OT8.
I'm not gonna get into that.
But the point is that if you'reforced hard enough, you're
gonna try and hold your positionand that's what makes it
aberrative.
So the force, the velocity ofthings that are occurring,
things are happening so fast.
We're looking at changes thatwould normally take a couple of

(01:09:45):
years, if not a decade, changesthat are occurring literally
overnight, overnight that arehappening.
The velocity of this cannot beunderestimated.
Like he says, there's only twoways you can be wrong over or
underestimation of effort andbeing there and communicating,

(01:10:07):
okay, so take those datums andlook at the velocity of how
quickly things are moving.
And you have to.
It's just like chess.
You don't just sit there andmake a move and say, okay, I'm
done, no, no, no, you need tolook into the future and look
four, five, six, seven, eightinto the future moves.
You're going to make what theirmove is going to be and you
need to plan this out.

(01:10:28):
Auditing training allow you todo this to where you can just
perceive you don't have any biasanymore because of overtsides
and withholds, servicefacsimiles and things like that.
You can just look at it and youcan just put your little
satanic feeler out there and go,oh, because that's what you and
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Yeah, yeah.
What I think is also verypowerful about Scientology is
that it helps you also be ableto change right.
And this understanding that ifsomething is too rigid, if
someone is too rigid,something's going to break,

(01:11:09):
something's going to snap, right.
And so for those of you whohave been thinking about
changing your condition,changing your that's the way you
live, changing your experienceIf you've been thinking about
changing it, but something iskeeping you from making the
change right, and that's justwith anything in life.

(01:11:29):
Auditing helps you be able tochange postulates, like you
could change these old ways ofthinking, these old ways of
doing things, where you don'thave to do things the same way
anymore.
And what I realized after many,many hours of auditing and so
forth is that I don't have to dothings this way anymore.
I can do things a different way, and that feels good.

(01:11:52):
When stuff in your environmentstarts to change and you want to
hold on to it, you want to makeit work, you want to fight the
good fight.
You know, but you don't have to.
You know you don't have to.
You can.
You can be pan to pan,deterministic about the whole
thing and just be like, oh okay,I see, I see that.
I see, I see what's happeningover there.

(01:12:13):
I'm gonna go over here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Right, right, you can either step out of the way of
the bus or you can get hit by it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That's all there is to it Right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Or, and I'll give you an example a really good
example of this is you don'teven have to be on that street
in that part of town to get hitby that bus.
It's not just you didn't stepout into the street.
That's literally what happenswhen you get enough auditing is

(01:12:45):
it's almost like sort of like aninverted butterfly effect.
You don't know what didn'thappen to you, because you were
somewhere else, because you madechanges in your life that
didn't even put you in that town, in that state, in that country
.
You're somewhere else, you'redoing something else, so there
was never any threat of dangerand never any threat of a lack

(01:13:06):
of survival because you'vechanged your path that you are
on so much, so much, thateverything is different.
And you did that instead ofdoing the same thing and
expecting different results.
That's what training andauditing provide.
But you're not going to beaware of that until you get to a

(01:13:28):
certain degree of self-helpthrough independent Scientology
and Dianetics.
And that's the whole point ofthis podcast is you can't be
controlled if you know thatsomebody is lying to you and
telling you one thing and doinganother, and the indicators have
been there for a really longtime.
It doesn't start with thecurrent administration or

(01:13:50):
anything like that.
It started back when you werein kindergarten.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Right, it's.
It's interesting becauseeverybody acts like all of this
stuff just started happeningover the last six, eight years
or whatever it was.
This stuff didn't just starthappening when a certain
personality got into power orgot into a position of power.
This stuff didn't just starthappening, it just became more
overt.
And I think that's really.
I think that's really.

(01:14:15):
I think that to me that's oneof the most interesting pieces,
because at least now you knowLike, at least now you see
blaringly if there's somethingthat you disagree with, you can
see blaringly that I disagreewith this and let me respond

(01:14:37):
accordingly, whatever that meansfor you.
You can see now blaringly.
I grew up in Alabama and inAlabama they used to always say
at least they'll tell you toyour face how they feel about
you.
You know what I mean.
At least they'll tell you toyour face and they would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Yeah, and that's the thing, and I've said this time
and time and time and time againin these podcasts the hardest
thing to spot is a missingness,and we're going to bring this
back to John Lennon, martinLuther King, malcolm X, gandhi,
lrh territory.
Lrh territory If somebody isthere and they're helping you,

(01:15:22):
what do you know?
If somebody is there andthey're helping you, what do you
know?
They care about you and yourlife and your dynamics, and
you've said this to me inprivate many, many, many many

(01:15:45):
times that you love people tothe degree that they love you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
No, no, no.
That's not what I said.
Okay, I said I love people.
This is what I say I love you,and there ain't nothing you can
do about that, cause that's mychoice, not yours, right, that's
?
Right, but I like who like meRight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
I like who?
Like me, if you, if you've gota government okay, regardless of
who it is that's running it, oranything like that a government
that that allows people who andgranted, you know, I know there
are a lot of people like marieantoinette let them eat cake.
She said that and she got herhead cut off for it.
Now you're dealing you'redealing in france at the time.

(01:16:35):
You're dealing with agovernment that that the, the
elite, controlled everything andand the people were poor and
miserable and they didn't evenhave the basics to survive.
We're here again, folks.
We're here again.
History has repeated itself andyou have a government,

(01:16:56):
regardless of who's running it,and you have all the
representatives.
You have all therepresentatives that supposedly
represent you that aren't doingsomething about it.
That should tell you something,because there are things that
could be done but they're notbeing done.
The hardest thing to spot is amissingness.

(01:17:17):
Do they have your back?
Are they there helping you?
Are you there helping otherpeople or are you looking out
for just yourself?
I'm telling you you can't dothis now.
You've got to start helping oneanother.
Do a co-audit, just dosomething to help other people

(01:17:39):
and let's turn this thing aroundbefore it's too late.
You've got to care for theperson in front of you because
somebody's got to have your backand, like Ellarate said, I mean
he had to leave Rhodesia in ahurry.
He went down there to changethings and he couldn't do it on
his own because OTs work betterin numbers.
You've got to take a look atthis and make a move.

(01:18:00):
Get on your bridge now, now,before it's too late.
Get up the bridge, look at whatthings are going on, and if you
can't see them happening, thenyou definitely need to get up
the bridge now, because it ispainfully obvious to the three
of us that are on here thatthings are moving much quicker
than they ever have before andyou've got to do something about

(01:18:24):
it and raise your confront.
And even LRA says he has a hardtime confronting evil, and
that's the problem.
That's the big problem righthere, because tyranny is when
good men do nothing.
Ben Franklin said that we haveto do something about it and we
have a group of people here thatcan help you, that you can help

(01:18:48):
and you can get this stuff doneand you can be a lot more a
cause over it and you can be afreed being.
I'm not joking.
This stuff really works andwe're doing everything we can to
support everybody that wants totake an interest in their
dynamics, not just themselves intheir dynamics.
Read the writing on the wall.
We are getting very, very closeto a Fahrenheit 451 situation

(01:19:12):
the Ray Bradbury book, bookburnings, people being cut from
communication.
I mean, there's a lot going onright now and you need to do
your due diligence.
Read some LRH, compare it towhat you're seeing in the media,
disagree with this and get yourass up the bridge.
That's my opinion.

(01:19:35):
And as inexpensively as you can,because we're running out of
time here.
That's the way that I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Yeah, survival is dependent upon how you are able
to control your environment, howyou're able to I'll say, create
your environment it's probablya better highway of saying it
but, like, you survive to thedegree that you don't become the

(01:20:07):
effect of your environment butyou cause the environment.
Right, that's right.
And so how, how, how able areyou to call something in your
environment?
How able are you?
Is the question, the onlyquestion that you really need to
answer, because if you ask,well, why aren't they doing this
and why aren't they doing that?
And somebody needs to speak upagainst this kind of somebody

(01:20:31):
needs to I think somebody saidthe other day, denounce, you
need to denounce this kind ofbehavior and this is it's rep,
it's it's uh, it's reprehensible.
This kind of behavior isreprehensible and da, da, da da.
Also, let me tell you somethingyou create your environment and
if you to the degree that youdon't, somebody else is going to

(01:20:52):
create it for you, and whenthat happens, it becomes, you
become other, determined, youbecome this person that now
somebody else gets to tell mehow well I can live, how high I
can live, maybe even sometimeswhere I can live, depending on
if you get put in a camp orsomething, but where you can be

(01:21:15):
and where you can live, andthat's not how any of us deserve
to be.
So I think that what you'resaying is absolutely right,
jonathan.
By getting yourself in session,by getting yourself trained, by
knowing the tech and by beingable to use it effectively, you
become that much more at causeover your environment, and

(01:21:37):
nothing can make you the adverseeffect of it, unless you allow
it to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
That's right.
Ot seven cause over matter,energy, space and time.
That's the, that's that's theEP, that's the end phenomenon.
Yes, I mean, and that's that'show you, that's how you get this
done and I assure you, I assureyou you can't keep a good OT

(01:22:04):
down.
And why aren't you one of thosepeople?
Get there, change your mode ofoperation.
Make it a priority to get oncourse as much as possible.
Figure out how to get in aDianetics co-audit, figure out
how to get on your gradesauditing.
All of the solutions are here.
Don't put it off another minute.

(01:22:25):
You absolutely have to dosomething right now.
We are looking at a freighttrain coming our way and the
only thing that's going tochange it is a lot of OTs
working in numbers and you think, well, you know it's long pass
out, there's nothing we can doabout it.
That's bullshit.
Don't go into agreement withthat.

(01:22:45):
The power of one OT it isamazing what you can do, and
what we're doing with thispodcast is a prime example.
We're taking time out of ourday trying to to get all this
stuff.
Quentin's traveling, arthur'sgot a job.
I've got three businesses Doingall this stuff and we're still
making this time to try and getthe word out to try and get

(01:23:08):
these services delivered topeople.
These guys aren't getting paidto do this podcast with me.
These guys are doing thisbecause they want to do it,
because they care about anybodyand everybody that'll listen,
and that's the viewpoint thatyou have to take.
Do everything you can Get on,source All the materials there.
We're showing it to you.
You've got access to it.

(01:23:30):
It's all over the place on theinternet.
All you got to do is take thetime, shut the phone off, shut
the TV off, shut the radio off,sit down confront, read word
clear, apply, wash, rinse,repeat, and you'll get somewhere
really fast and you'll startseeing that you're treading
water better than you ever havebefore.

(01:23:51):
That's what's needed and wantedfrom you, from us.
We want you here and I know wedid a podcast like this not that
long ago, but we're looking atthe timeline has been escalated
rapidly, rapidly, over the lastfew weeks in the United States
and it's happening all over theplanet.

(01:24:11):
I see it here in South Africaas well.
Artie sees it in Australia,quentin sees it in Malaysia.
Okay, it's not just in theUnited States.
We've got to do something aboutthis and the best thing you can
do is help yourself and try andhelp somebody else, and off we
go.
So, artie, did you haveanything else?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
you wanted to add.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I know you had to step away for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
No, I think we're all pretty much saying the same
thing in different ways,ultimately, and, um, and it was
good just sitting back andlistening to you guys, um,
discuss this as well, so I thinkthe message is out and we beat
it to death get out there andjust become a superhuman that we

(01:24:58):
were designed to be yeah, yeahyou don't have to struggle, that
you don't have to struggle tobe a thetan in a body in the
physical universe and you don'thave to struggle beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
There's a lot more that you, that that is there for
you beyond the physicaluniverse.
You just have to get there andI implore you to do so while you
can and get it.
Get it done.
You will.
You will thank us later andyou'll go.
Man, I'm so glad I listened tothose podcasts and I started
doing something.
So, for arthur and quentin andmyself, we'll see you in the

(01:25:33):
next podcast on friday, namaste,and we love you.
Bye-bye, peace, bye-bye.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Thank you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.