February 11, 2025 • 48 mins
What if the hidden forces driving your behavior could be uncovered and neutralized? This episode promises to illuminate the enigmatic concept of "bypassed charge" in Scientology, guiding you to a deeper understanding of how unaddressed emotional charges shape our daily lives. Join us, alongside Arthur Moudakis, as we unravel the intricate layers of the reactive mind and explore the transformative potential of Independent Scientology auditing like New Era Dianetics. Discover how auditing techniques address these mental blockages, akin to lightening a boat loaded with excess water, to facilitate genuine personal change.
Arthur and I navigate through the complexities of life's re-stimulations, discussing how societal pressures, marketing, and even the iconic volcano imagery on the Dianetics book cover contribute to these charges. By examining the mind's "ridges," we highlight the significance of overcoming these blockages using a selective gradient approach in auditing. Our conversation also touches on actionable solutions, such as the innovative idea of a real-time app designed to help individuals recognize and manage bypassed charge, ultimately leading to enhanced mental clarity and resilience.
With an emphasis on the importance of correct information and organization, we explore the pathway from confusion to stability through Scientology principles. Arthur shares insights on how awareness and gentle techniques like self-analysis can address the everyday stressors that contribute to bypassed charge without invasive methods. As we conclude this enlightening journey, we aim to empower both independent Scientologists and curious listeners with the knowledge to navigate life’s challenges more effectively.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of
the Church podcast brought toyou by the Advanced Org of the
Great Plains, ao-gporg and theCollege of Independent
Scientologycom.
I'm here with Arthur Murdochusand we are going to do a Season
10, episode 21 podcast onbypassed charge and it's
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probably the most prevalentthing that a person runs into in
life on a moment by moment,daily basis basis, and LRH says
that the sum of the case is itsbypassed charge.
It's that simple.
(00:52):
There it is Okay.
It was nice talking to you guys.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Love you Bye-bye.
So, john, we love thesepodcasts, right?
So please explain to us allwhat bypass charge is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, bypass charge is something that is
restimulated but not yet handled, because there is an earlier
thing that is restimulated butnot handled, and an earlier
thing and an earlier thing solet's say, in an everyday sense,
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would you know, people callthat a trigger.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For example, someone's being triggered and
then all of a sudden a reactionoccurs yeah, that would be.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It could be a dianetic thing, it could be a
lock yep, so what's bypasscharge?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
mainly related to a risk stimulator.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's how something gets bypassed.
You, you see a baseball bat inthe window and it reminds you of
a time when you were a kid andyou tossed your baseball bat uh,
trying to run to first basewhen you made the hit, and the
baseball bat hits you in thehead not that that ever happened
(02:27):
to me because I didn't playbaseball, but you know could be
anything and so you get are-stimulator that gets you to
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buy or do something.
And so you're living in asociety that does nothing but
restimulate, which is bypasscharge, which is bypass charge
because you're restimulating anearlier, earlier, earlier,
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earlier, earlier and so on thing.
Now you're not going to be ableto access something you know
right off the bat, somequintillion years ago or
squillion years ago or whateverin most cases, unless you're in
good shape and you've alreadygotten auditing.
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If you've gotten auditing, thenthen you know you're going to
be able to access somethingearlier.
But that's the thing.
When you're dealing withScientology auditing, you're
dealing with a key out.
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In most cases, you're notdealing with an erasure.
So when you get a floatingneedle very good indicators,
cognition.
You know.
Floating needle, very goodindicators, cognition.
You know that's sorry, I'mthinking faster than I can talk
per L or H.
When you're doing that, you'rekeying something out.
(04:18):
Okay, that's all you're tryingto do is you're trying to key
out the person, key out theperson, key out the person.
But you're keying this stuffout in a well laid out, logical
manner and it's very methodical,and it's one little victory
(04:39):
after another.
But you're just keying thesethings out so that you can get
to the reactive mind to handleit in Dianetics New Era
Dianetics and that's theimportant thing that you need to
pay attention to is thatthere's a lot that needs to be
keyed out.
But while you're keyed out,you're still dealing with bypass
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charge in your day-to-day life.
You know making money,relationships with family,
friends a second dynamic typethings, all of this stuff, and
so you have this bypass chargethat's developed.
But what you're trying to do isyou're just trying to get
enough bypass charge keyed outso that you can get in there and
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you can get to the end of thecave and get the prize, which is
the reactive mind, and you canaccess it.
You've got enough stuff out ofthe way that you can look at it
and you can go for broke andhandle this thing called the
reactive mind.
And what does that do?
(05:44):
Well, it erases a significantamount of bypass charge.
Dianetics is deceptively,deceptively simple.
But LRH found that the societywas going down the tubes so
quickly because New EraDianetics back in 78 was at the
bottom of the bridge, because itwas so deceptively simple.
(06:10):
And then what he found out wasthings were going to hell in a
handbasket.
So bad with the drug culture.
I mean, you look at the waythings are now versus the way
they were then and it'sexponentially worse.
Exponentially worse both infoods and street drugs, medical
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drugs, psychiatric drugs.
So he moved it up to above thegrades.
After all of the drug handling,you have to key out these drugs
and the way the grade chart isset up.
You handle drugs three times,three times.
So you've got this.
You've got this bypass chargeon drugs.
You handle whatever the body'sre-stimulating you on which is
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bypass charged in the purif.
You, you do your Scientologydrug rundown and you're keying
out whatever drugs are readingon the person.
And you, you, you feel a lotcleaner, a lot more in present
time.
You do objectives.
You're now.
You're more in present time.
You do objectives.
Now you're really in presenttime.
You've got all your ducks in arow and you're really here and
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then you start working on yourrecall and you're handling the
bypass.
And this is an interestingthing that most people don't
know what you're doing with theself-analysis list in ARC
Straightwire.
Guess what you're doing?
You're dispelling, yeah, you'reremoving bypass charge of locks
(07:34):
, incidents that have lots ofdianetic locks, things that are
bypass charge on earlier engrams, which allows you to have a
better recall.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So it's this incremental handling a bypass
charge that we're doing and it'sinteresting what you were
saying around, um, the marketingside of it because, um, after
you saying it and thenexplaining, explaining why kind
of feeds itself and it's become.
It's become this monsterbecause, like, the more that
(08:07):
we're being re-stimulated, themore they're creating on top of
that.
So it's almost like you know,it started with one
re-stimulation, as an example,and then all of a sudden it
becomes two, and then it becomesthree, and then it becomes 20,
and then it becomes 40, and thenit becomes, you know, a hundred
, a thousand and like, justlooking at it from the marketing
(08:28):
perspective, the way things arerevolving, say with with just
medication, um, you know, adhd,um all these, all these things
that are recurring, um arere-stimulating things because
there's things out there wheresimple life skills could handle
(08:49):
versus a diagnosis, which isreally interesting from what you
just said earlier.
It just compounds itself and atthe moment it's compounding at
such an incredible rate in justnormal society, whatever that's
that is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, we just did the podcast the other day.
You know, you watching,watching, uh, you know, uh,
national media or internationalmedia and things like that.
And the reason why I said, youknow, don't listen to it, don't
believe it, part of that isbecause a lot of this stuff is
(09:30):
designed to be re-stimulated ona large scale, on an exponential
scale, the larger arc and youknow, like incidents like 9-11,
for example.
I mean, that's what 23 yearsago?
Was it 2001?
Yeah, 2001.
(09:51):
I can't remember, but yeah,yeah, 23 years ago.
And there are certain incidentson the track and things like
that that re-stimulate people onthings, and explosion incidents
re-stimulate people on thingsand explosion incidents
restimulate people.
You look at the cover of theDianetics book and the volcano.
(10:12):
He put that on there for areason, because it restimulated
the person to go.
This is different.
Why is there a volcano on thecover?
Something about this?
So you know, from thatstandpoint, it gets the person
to want to look into it.
I mean, the original Dianeticsbook didn't have a volcano on it
, it was just a green cover withthe title of the book.
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So you know, you can restimulatemore bypass charge than you can
handle and that's when the tonearm goes up on the E-meter.
The tone arm shows the presence.
Reduction or increase alwaysshows the presence, but it shows
the change in the amount ofmental mass that is going on
with the pre-clear or the pre-OTat any given time.
(10:58):
And when you overwhelm a PCwith too much bypass charge,
then now you're going to reallyhave to do some handling.
And what you're doing, allyou're doing with auditing, is
you're selectivelyre-stimulating one little thing
and you're handling it.
So you get an FNCOG, vg,cognition, very good indicators,
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Re-stimulate, checking aquestion.
We're stimulating one littlething.
If it doesn't read, we don'trun it.
You check it a few differentways and if it doesn't read, you
move on.
Same thing.
And that's what this is.
Auditing is selective gradient.
One little bit of information,find it, handle it next find it,
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handle it next.
find it, handle it next onvarious subjects.
And if somebody has a big issuegoing on in their life and
there's a lot of charge, let'ssay it's interiorization,
exteriorization, where theperson has births and deaths
restimulated, which is verycommon, and this is something
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that happens early on inauditing.
When the person goes exteriorearly on on the bridge, they get
restimulated on earlier birthsand deaths per the Scientology
interiorization rundown series.
And so what this does is itoverwhelms the PC and you can't
do anything else.
The tone arm is high.
(12:30):
You have to handle this thingbefore you handle anything else,
anything else.
And that's handled with New EraDianetics.
If the person has to have ithandled again, it can be done
with Scientology Auditingbecause you've already handled
it with New neurodianetics.
If the person has to have ithandled again, it can be done
with Scientology auditingbecause you've already handled
it with neurodianetics andsomething else has restimulated
them and you're just trying tocool it off that type of thing,
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because it can happen more thanonce that a person can get
restimulated on it, becausethere's only so much that they
can access at one particulartime when you're running it, and
so the more the person's recallincreases the more they can
access, the more they canre-stimulate his bypass charge.
So it's interesting that whileyou're handling something, you
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can re-stimulate a big ball ofenergy somewhere earlier birds,
earlier deaths, that are engramsand this throws the tone arm
way up and you have to handle it.
But this is what happens inauditing.
It just depends what getsrestimulated.
You touch on this thing andyou're handling green beans and
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then something comes up aboutcar accidents and that leads to
this whole chain of things.
So it's bypass charge and youhave to handle it.
And then you get back to yourregular schedule of what you're
trying to do and get back torestimulating one little thing.
Restimulating one little thing.
So in life, in the physicaluniverse and as a Thetan, you're
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going to have bypass charge.
Come up on things.
If you can't, you can't live ina hermetically sealed
environment and think thatyou're gonna just avoid anything
that re-stimulates you.
So being in a bodyre-stimulates you.
Being in the physical universere-stimulates you.
Having communication withpeople re-stimulates you.
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Lower communication, lower tonecommunication, maybe higher
tone communication.
But the thing is is that as youhandle the bypass charge, you
tend to not get re-stimulated onas many things.
So you're throwing the waterout of the boat and the bilge
pump starts to get caught up.
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And now you don't have as muchwater in the boat, boat isn't as
heavy, the sails start working,you can start moving to your
destination faster, instead ofthe boat sinking into the water.
That's the best analogy that onecan use is that you're so
overburdened you can't getanything done.
And this applies to flows aswell.
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You know, if you've got a lotof bypass charge on flows,
you're trying to make money.
What are you going to do?
Well, you have to handle thatbypass charge in that area
that's blocking that flow as aridge.
A ridge is a defined area ofenergy where you've got one side
pushing one way and anotherside pushing another, or you've
got something putting a ridgethere, and the only way to do
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that is to handle the bypasscharge in that area so that the
ridge goes away.
And this is how auditing works,how flows open.
You know that type of a thingbecause you've got this
postulate, counter postulate.
And why is there a postulate inthe first place?
Because there's some bypasscharge that's holding that
postulate there.
That made you put the postulatethere in the first place.
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That's what's at the bottom ofan NIDGRAM.
That's why an engram doesn'tblow unless you get the posture
lit off.
Because you made a decisionabout something because of
bypass charge, that you ran intoand said I'm going to go left
instead of straight, or I'mgoing to go right instead of
straight, or I'm going to gobackwards, because this is the
only way to handle this, becauseI can't handle this bypass
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charge, so I'm going to, I'mgoing to put this thing here.
That's, that apparently solvesit.
That apparently solves it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Mm-hmm, okay, so Okay , that's a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, it is Kind of got on a roll there.
But the sum of the case is it'sbypass charge and that's the way
that it needs to be looked atis if, if you're, if you're not
feeling right about something oryou're possessed about
something or you're, you knowthere's bypass charge there that
(16:43):
hasn't been handled.
That's true for me, it's truefor you, it's true for everybody
.
It's finding and handling thecorrect bypass charge, and when
you do, you're going to quote,unquote, feel better as a Thetan
, as a being, and you're goingto have flows unstuck.
It's just a matter of findingit.
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That's what the meter's for,that's what auditing's for, and
LRH said okay, so we're going tomake a map, systematic map, of
all of the things that need tobe handled in their proper order
, so that a person can go clear,so that a person can do the
first OT level, the second, thethird, the fourth, that type of
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thing.
You're not able to confront itbecause there are earlier bypass
charges that need to be handledbefore you can actually
confront the greater bypasscharge.
You're lightening the load, asit were.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I hope that helps, okay, okay, so what would it
look like?
Actually, here's a question.
So let's say intuition, right?
So sometimes, intuitively, youmight get a gut feeling towards
something or someone, asituation, a situation.
(18:22):
So how would that differphysically from, say, bypass
charge?
You know, would?
Um?
So if I haven't have a gutfeeling around a particular
situation, um, I'm going to bossand I've got a gut feeling my
boss is going to give me a hardtime when I get to work.
Then I get to work and nothinghappens, right?
So that gut feeling that I had,was it potential bypass charge
(18:44):
versus, say, an intuitivefeeling, like, would there be
much of a difference?
Or would you say the intuitiveaspect is potentially bypass
charge, which is why you'refeeling a particular sensation?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Well, and that's a that's a great question, because
what Ron says on that is if youknew it was wrong with you, it
wouldn't be wrong with you.
Think about that for a second,as as we've been talking about
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bypass charge, if you knew itwas wrong with you, it wouldn't
be wrong with you.
So if you could, if you could,indicate the bypass charge,
you'd already be clear in ot soyou'd rock up to work and you'd
just do what you have to do.
(19:40):
Well, you would be living thelife that you want to live.
Chances are you wouldn't berocking up to work, chances are
you wouldn't be rocking up towork to a job, because if we
could handle it on our own, wewould.
Because if they can considersthemselves messed, you go out,
walk up to the man on the streetand you say, you know?
(20:02):
I walk up to one of the peoplewalking in front of my house
here or something like that say,did you know that you're a
spiritual being and that you'renot a body?
How many people would actuallygo?
Yes, I do.
We've got ourselves convinced.
What are you talking about?
Right, you're crazy.
Right, god chooses my pathBecause Thetan has gone so far
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down that they have to assigncause to something else, because
they can't take responsibilityfor anything themselves.
And God works in mysteriousways and you know, that's just
it.
And they stop inspecting it andthey just go.
That's life.
Life sucks and you know, that'sit, whereas if you could handle
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it and you get out of this, youknow I am messed, I am a
spiritual being.
Okay, and you can do it, andyou can do it stably.
Okay, then there you go Now.
Now you're cooking and now youcan do solo auditing and you can
spot these other areas ofbypass charge that are part of
the composite case.
And now you're really movingalong and there's a lot, a lot
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of charge where you might get.
If you're lucky, you might gettwo and a half divisions of tone
arm in an hour in a session atthe lower end of the bridge.
Two and a half divisions In anOT session.
You might get somewhere in theneighborhood of 15 to 50.
In some cases I've had a coupleof sessions where I got over 50
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divisions of TA in an auditingsession.
That's.
I mean, that's that's 20 times.
So you have to be able toaddress this in a systematic way
to where now you can confrontmore and your awareness is there
that you can now spot thebypass charge on your own on the
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OT levels.
It's just that way and it's notthere to make money for
somebody, it's just.
This is how far down in thewell that we are.
Instead of a 10-foot line ofrope to get the person out of
there, you've got 50 feet thatyou have to pull the person up
and as you go it becomes lessrope, less rope, less rope and
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they're finally up to thesurface.
And here you are, you're atzero.
Okay, I can see what's going onhere, I'm aware of these things
.
And LRH says check this shit up.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And you're like oh my God, I never knew this was
there, and I think if I was totry to imagine what that would
feel like or what would happento me in that state, I'm
probably thinking it'd be alongthe lines of less mental noise
(23:06):
when it comes to decision making, when it comes to life choices,
when it comes to yourjustifications for not doing
something that you really wantto do just won't exist, and so,
therefore, you're more thanlikely going to do something you
want to do without fear,without anything getting in the
(23:30):
way of you wanting to do that,and probably doing it in a
healthy way rather than you know, I suppose, in an emotionally
driven way.
And I suppose, even then, theamount of emotional control you
could have in your life as well,without those emotional
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decisions, it would just be adecision, you know, like having
a glass of water or as simple asgoing for a walk, or right yeah
, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
yeah, I mean you have a lot less background noise,
you know, I mean it's, it's.
It's sort of like you have somany sources.
If you've ever been in a noisyenvironment, you know in a busy,
busy downtown area and there'sjust noise coming from so many
different sources and you'relike God, I can't think I got to
close the window, you know,just shut the radio off, shut
the TV off.
(24:24):
You know those are all.
Those are all re-stimulatorsfor people when they have a
reactive mind.
And if you eliminate there-stimulators and you give them
a calm environment, that'squiet.
But sometimes a calm and quietenvironment is restimulated to
some people too.
That's right.
Yeah, you know it depends onthe being and what's
(24:46):
restimulative to them, but it'simportant to note that as you
handle it is just like theconfusion formula in Scientology
Find a particle, handle it.
Find another particlehandleology.
Find a particle, handle it.
Find another particle, handleit.
Find another particle, handleit.
This is where all this datacame from.
Is this came from auditing?
And he just looked at it from adifferent angle and said, okay,
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this is what we gotta do when aperson's in confusion, you find
a particle and you handle it.
Now there's one less thingdriving them nuts Now you handle
it.
Now.
There's one less thing drivingthem nuts Now you handle this.
Okay.
There's one less thing drivingthem nuts Because you're looking
at such an over-restimulationthat the person has gone down
the conditions, the ethicsconditions in Scientology, to a
point of confusion.
(25:27):
They're so overwhelmed, they'rejust completely in confusion.
They're not even close to beingable to go in session because
they're in such a confusion.
So you then go from confusion.
You've got treason and enemy,doubt, liability, non-existence,
danger, emergency, normalaffluence, power, power change.
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That's the scale.
So at some point you've gotenough stability, stable datums
in your life that you canfunction and you can start
performing a forward path, aplan, and get it done so that
you can get on with things.
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That's what it comes down to isyou're doing the same thing with
auditing, as you are, theScientology ethics conditions,
and the only thing that can stopyou from progressing is false
data where you're a potentialtrouble source.
That's what hangs a person upand down.
So that's bypass charge thatyou have to handle is being a
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potential trouble source.
You've got some suppressiongoing on.
That's bypass charge onsomebody in your past or
somebody in your present.
That's suppressing you.
You get that out of the way.
You don't have any false data,or maybe you do.
You get that handled.
So you've got the rightinformation.
Now you can get out of doubtand you can get into liability
on the first dynamic.
Then you can get intononexistence and go okay, okay,
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what's needed and wanted Allright, now I need to do, produce
and present it.
So you know you're handlingbypass charge in lots of
different ways in Scientology,not just with auditing.
You know getting informationand reading it from a book,
listening to a lecture if it'sthe proper gradient lecture for
you.
You're putting more order in byhaving more information to
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operate off of, just by learningthe concepts.
And the same thing is true withauditing is you're learning the
concepts that you have taughtyourself were a certain way and
you think that's the right wayto go, because life has said
you're going to do this, whetheryou want to or not, and you're
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like, okay, okay, okay, this ishow I'll operate.
And you've been beat down bythe physical universe.
You've made these decisions.
And then you go in session withan auditor and you look at it
from a different perspective,where it's you and the auditor
looking at the reactive mind andyou go, wow, that was a screwy
viewpoint that I had on that.
Why the hell did I ever decidethat?
(28:02):
Okay, now you've keyed that out, that bypass charge isn't there
, and so on and so on and so on.
So there are lots of differentways to do it.
That's all Scientology is.
That's all Dianetics is, youcould say, knowing how to know.
Okay, well, how do you know howto know?
Handle some bypass charge soyou can start knowing that's it.
That's it.
Scientology is handling bypasscharge in one way or another.
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Same thing with theadministrative policies and
everything is you have a bunchof people running around.
There's no organization,because they all have bypass
charge on how to organizesomething and they think it
needs to be done a certain wayand it's contra survival.
So you're trying to put orderin in order to prevent bypass
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charge People getting upset.
This guy didn't do this.
Where's my invoice?
How come this is late?
No, no, no, no all this stuff,I mean everything.
Everything is a restimatorthat's causing you to have a
reaction, reaction, reactivity,reactive mind is causing you and
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debilitating you from beingable to get on with the show for
yourself across your dynamicsbecause of all of this bypass
charge.
And that's all LRH was doingwith all of this stuff was
saying here's a different angleon how to do this in this area,
here's a different way to dothis, a different angle on this
in this area.
That's all it is.
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Period.
That's what.
Knowing how to know is Knowwhat, know where the bypass
charge is, so that you can seethe trees for the forest, and
now you can climb higher, beable to see what for the forest,
and now you can go climb higher, be able to see what's going on
, and now you've got an exteriorviewpoint.
Okay, next thing we need toconfront is even a bigger kettle
(29:46):
of fish.
That's it.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And it's interesting Go ahead.
Cause, like, like just in theeveryday, like not using
scientology terms, you'd seebypass charge in so many
different ways through peoplehaving anxiety through.
You know my favorite thinglately?
The narcissist through ornarcissistic behaviors um
(30:13):
bipolars, adhds, any sporadickind of I don't know anything
that doesn't seem to fit insociety's norms or things that
people struggle with, they justcan't seem to get out of, they
can't get ahead they can't moveforward.
(30:34):
They can't sleep properly,they're restless, they're
agitated, they're angry, they're, you know, lost love, like all
these things that I don't know,I suppose, aberrate society.
That seem to be big themes thatneed to have awareness towards,
and need to have medication for, need to need to need to,
(30:57):
awareness towards and need tohave medication for, need to
need to need to need to need toyeah, as opposed to just going
to the source of it and thennaturally normalizing, as
opposed to putting so muchpressure on yourself.
And the funny thing is, thesetechniques are very
user-friendly, like they're not.
They're not um aggressivetechniques and they're not
(31:22):
invasive.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
they're, they're none of those things like they're,
yeah, they're, they're verygradient things that anybody can
do.
Yeah, I mean, you look at, lookat self-analysis lists, recall
a time you, you, you smelled thewildflower and what was the
touch?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's how that's an in Recall the time.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's in ARC.
You know it's not out Affinityto Reality, Communication and
Understanding.
It's very, very light touch,Whereas you know you're at
curious on the CDEI scale.
Curious, desired, enforced,inhibited, no one refused.
You're curious on this, whereasthe way things are on this
(32:02):
planet is do it or fucking elsedo it yeah, get your taxes in or
you're going to jail or how doI do my taxes?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know how to do my taxes.
You know that sort of thingthat's right, that's right and
the anxiety and the things thatcan come from the pressure, of
say, taxes.
You know people will go to thepoint where they'll kill
themselves yeah, because there'sso much charge that they can't
confront it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, they're overwhelmed.
Yeah, there's no, there's nosolution to it.
And if somebody was theresomebody, you know, you see
these call boxes on thesebridges in the united states.
I'm sure they have themelsewhere.
That's the only place I've seenthem where there's a bridge.
And you know, suicide hotline.
Pick up the phone and callsomebody.
Somebody sits there and talksto them and says no, you know,
(32:49):
I'm literally talking you off ofa bridge, you know, because
there's so much bypass chargethere.
And that's the thing.
If you indicate the bypasscharge this is the next, next
step here in the podcast If youindicate the bypass charge, the
PC goes yeah, yeah, I was reallybeefing me up because you're
(33:13):
indicating it through what's onthe meter.
You can't do.
You can't do that.
I mean, you know, I've thoughtabout, you know, if there was an
app that could be on your watch.
That was a meter and you hadyour little bypass charge app.
And as you're going throughlife, your Apple watch says, hey
, there was some bypass chargethere on that thought you just
(33:35):
had.
You know, just-.
That's actually a really reallycool idea.
Yeah, just in everyday life.
You just uncovered some bypasscharge.
I thought I'd let you know.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Siri, because you're not on the meter all the time.
I mean, life is what is goingon outside of sessions, and to
the degree that you have yourlife in order is to the degree
that you're not experiencing asmuch bypass charge, so there's
less water coming into the boatand the boat just floats and
(34:08):
does what it's supposed to do,and so that's the thing is being
able to get the indication thatthere's bypass charge there,
and as you go up the bridge, youcan indicate to yourself, even
if you don't have a meter hey,you know, I've got some bypass
charge on this, and, and thatthat communication cycle just
makes you feel better.
(34:29):
Yeah, I've got bypass charge onthis, and that's.
That's a really cool idea.
I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, because imagine walking around all day, every
day, getting into life and noteven realizing you have bypass
charge, but then you've got anindicator that will show it,
because there'll be so manyelements that will be just so
normal to you you don't evenrealize it's there until you
realize it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Right, because that's what the tone arm on a meter is
is.
It's saying how charged up areyou?
Yeah, okay, and if you're above3.0, and maybe you're above 4.0
, 4.5, 5.0 on the tone arm,you're pretty charged up.
You've got a lot of chargegoing on there.
You can say, yeah, I need toget in session.
(35:15):
I mean, you know it's an index,that's what an auditor uses it
for.
There's a lot of bypass chargehere.
Okay, we need to do acorrection list, we need to find
out what's going on.
So, you know, just rollingthrough life every day, rocking
up to work, like you say, youknow that can build up bypass
charge because there are thesethings here that you haven't
(35:36):
been able to spot that areaffecting you, slowing you down,
because there's this mentalmass that has been restimulated
but not yet de-stimulated thatcauses you to feel so beefed up
about things.
And you look at the stuff inthe news media and all of that
and it's just beefed up.
(35:57):
And it's beefed up andeverything is.
You know the battle for thisand we're going to war for that.
And and and.
Everything is looked,everything is looked at and and
characterized through themetaphor of battle, even, even
professional games.
You know, these two teams aregoing to head and they're going
to go into battle.
(36:18):
What the fuck is that all about?
I mean, you know, you're,you're, you're, you're literally
trying to say this is a mock, amock war.
These two guys well, a bunch ofguys kicking a ball around, or
throwing a ball around, orknocking a ball around with some
implement, whether it'sbaseball or it's, it's a, uh,
what's the cricket?
(36:39):
You know that.
That highlight whatever, andand so you, just you just have
these people that are constantlyrestimulating battle, battle,
fight.
It's a fight for this.
You've got to fight to survive.
It's a fight to get throughcollege.
It's why.
Why is it a why?
Why, what is it?
What does it have to be thatway?
(37:00):
Why isn't it a game?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
maybe, um, maybe, it's a real life representation
of what actually goes inside ofus.
Maybe that's why these thingsare that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's the bypass charge.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, the battle of the mind, yeah, yeah yeah,
that's the bypass charge and soeverything is characterized as a
battle of the mind.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Can I get my shit together?
Well enough to quote unquotebeat the opponent, beat.
Think about that.
I'm going to beat my opponent.
What's the word beat mean?
Knock the shit out of them.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm going to beat them knock the shit out of them,
I'm gonna beat them.
So, using that um as an analogy, then, with the best position
to be in that situation you're,you're witnessing a battle
between two teams, a game, be itfootball or whatever it is.
Then, as as as the observer,you've paid a ticket to witness
(38:01):
this game, is that the positionyou should be holding the
excitement of the game, notnecessarily the war itself, but
just being able to witness thegame without being injured,
without being tired, withoutbeing aggressive or any of those
things, just literally beingable to witness the game and
(38:23):
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
And of course some games you know you won't enjoy
right, you know that's a flowthree.
You know others to others flowone is others to you.
Flow two is you to others.
Flow zero is you to yourself?
Think about that, and you knowthis.
(38:44):
This gets, gets back into whatl rates talks about, about goals
, problems, mass.
They're two opposing forces andin the middle it's like two
hoses.
You know of water.
And then there's a big ball ofwater in the middle and so it it
it's, it stays there and itgets stuck, and and so it it
persists.
And that's that's the thing isis, do you want to play games
(39:08):
that take your attention off ofthe games?
You can't, you can't decide,and it's a distraction to
gladiators in the Coliseum, youknow dueling to the death or a
bunch of them dueling to thedeath or whatever for
entertainment purposes, and, uh,the winners go on and go on and
kill some other people, and youknow that type of thing and
this.
(39:28):
It's just a completedistraction.
That means nothing.
At the end of the day, it's twoor three hours that you won't
get back.
Now, I'm not saying there's any.
You know anything wrong withwatching a, a match, a game, if
it's a game.
But the thing is, is it'sbypass charge.
(39:48):
Why?
Why do people need distractions?
Why do they need distraction?
Yeah, pretty simple.
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
If I had the choice of adistraction tv, I almost never
watched tv.
Almost never watched tv.
Yeah, for, for, but I mean forreasons that it's obvious
(40:09):
manipulation to me, but myawareness is there that it's
like I, I already know what'sgoing to happen the, the, the
protagonist isn't going to diein this episode, because if he
did, we wouldn't have a tv show.
So what's the fucking point?
That's right, it's, it's, it'smade up.
And you have these people thatare, you know, I, I love star
wars as a kid, and you havethese people that that they're.
(40:30):
They're so imbued into thisfictional fantasy universe.
That's all made up, all made up.
It isn't their universe, it'ssome other universe.
People have learned the klingonlanguage from star trek.
Somebody made up a wholelanguage for a whole race that
(40:54):
doesn't exist, because theyneeded a distraction.
Now, the distraction wascreativity.
Somebody was creative enough tocreate a whole language based
off of a race that doesn't existin a fictional tv show from the
1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s,2020s now.
And so you have all of thesedistractions.
Why are you being distracted?
(41:15):
Why are you being distracted?
Why are you being distracted?
What is it that you're notwilling to confront, not willing
to look at that?
You need a distraction thatallows you to give you this
feeling of creativity andeverything.
Nothing wrong with creativity,I'm not trying to say that but
it distracts you from bypasscharts that could or should be
(41:38):
handled.
That might just get thiscivilization out of the shithole
.
Sorry, I'm going to be a littleblunt here and a little coarse,
but that's what this is allabout.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Focus on something far greater than entertainment
like purpose.
Right, creating purpose overjust me entertainment.
Right, creating purpose overjust mere entertainment.
Right, and and it's funnybecause, like you mentioning
that, you know a lot of peoplestrive for entertainment in many
different ways, as opposed tostriving for something much
(42:10):
greater and much purposeful,whatever that might be to the
individual.
As far as a creative abilitygoes, yeah, you know, people
will spend a lot of money like Idon't know about up there, but
here, for example, you know theocean, people will spend a lot
(42:31):
of money on a boat that goesreally, really fast, or you know
, so they'll devote a lot oftheir time to that.
And what's interesting is like,on one hand, it's a creative
genius thing that is justproduced for something
entertaining.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Right?
It's not going to take us out ofthis planet.
(42:52):
It's not going to cure adisease.
No, it's not going to make ourawareness greater.
It's not going to de-aberrateus.
If anything, it's going todistract us from aberrations,
right and bypass charges.
And it might even create morebypass charge, because your
neighbor just bought a hundredand fifty thousand dollar boat
(43:15):
that will go, you know, half asfast as yours.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, and, and you know, if you want to, if you
want to deconstruct it reallyquickly, and a person person is,
you know, spending all thistime and money and effort and
energy and all this stuff onboating and they're like you
know, wow, this just reallymakes me feel great, it makes me
feel invigorated.
What are they doing?
They're keying themselves outand it's a distraction from
(43:46):
their case because it gives themsomething to feel better about,
as opposed to how they wouldfeel if they weren't doing that.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
And people get really , really good at these things,
you know, and and that's that'salmost like a yeah, so it's
almost like a false purpose asopposed to a humanitarian
purpose, in a sense yeah, it's aplacebo.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's a placebo.
You know it keys them out andthen they go back to their day
job, that that that affords themthe ability to buy the boat and
and the motor, and you know thelicenses and da, da, da, da, da
, and you know fish finders andall this stuff, and it's the
only thing that makes them happy.
It's what they go to work for,in order to get away from the
(44:24):
key ends, the bypass charge atwork, the job that they don't
like, and this whole societycircles around two days a week
Saturday and Sunday.
Those are the holy days forpeople, because they get to do
what they want, not what theyhave to do.
Why is it that they have to dowhat they have to do?
Because they can't seem to getpast something that is
(44:46):
preventing them from doing whatthey would really like to do.
That would help them make themoney that they want to make, so
on and so forth.
Because there's this bypasscharge sitting there and it's a
solution to a problem.
It's always a solution to aproblem.
The bypass charge is theproblem.
That's the point of thispodcast yeah, interesting,
(45:07):
interesting.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, it's good it's really good.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I hope that dispels any misunderstandings.
And and how pervasive bypasscharge is Is bypass charge is
what Scientology handles andwhat it's for, what Dianetics is
for to relieve you of thethings that are holding you back
.
And you can look at anythingand go, wow, that's charging me
(45:33):
up, there's something there,there's bypass charge there.
Ha ha, you've just doneyourself a favor.
You've just done yourself afavor.
You've just done yourself afavor by indicating that bypass
charge when you got beefed upabout something and then you can
tell yourself that and you cantell your case supervisor that
you can say I need to get insession and address this thing
(45:54):
and then write it down on apiece of paper.
These are things that beef meup, that type of a thing.
So it's not something I hearpeople who aren't auditors
mention very much and I wantedto make it more part of the
vernacular in the dictionary ofcommonly used words that, if
you're going to be anindependent Scientologist and
(46:15):
Dianeticist, understanding thisconcept is key to not being the
adverse effect of everythingaround you.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's good yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
So, for Arthur and myself, we hope this cleared
some things up for you and wewill see you later on this week
with another podcast.
Take care everybody, nam, onthis week with another podcast.
Take care everybody, namaste,and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Bye-bye, thank you, thank you, you.
Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of
the Church podcast brought toyou by the Advanced Org of the
Great Plains, ao-gporg and theCollege of Independent
Scientologycom.
I'm here with Arthur Murdochusand we are going to do a Season
10, episode 21 podcast onbypassed charge and it's
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probably the most prevalentthing that a person runs into in
life on a moment by moment,daily basis basis, and LRH says
that the sum of the case is itsbypassed charge.
It's that simple.
(00:52):
There it is Okay.
It was nice talking to you guys.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Love you Bye-bye.
So, john, we love thesepodcasts, right?
So please explain to us allwhat bypass charge is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, bypass charge is something that is
restimulated but not yet handled, because there is an earlier
thing that is restimulated butnot handled, and an earlier
thing and an earlier thing solet's say, in an everyday sense,
(01:33):
would you know, people callthat a trigger.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
For example, someone's being triggered and
then all of a sudden a reactionoccurs yeah, that would be.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It could be a dianetic thing, it could be a
lock yep, so what's bypasscharge?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
mainly related to a risk stimulator.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's how something gets bypassed.
You, you see a baseball bat inthe window and it reminds you of
a time when you were a kid andyou tossed your baseball bat uh,
trying to run to first basewhen you made the hit, and the
baseball bat hits you in thehead not that that ever happened
(02:27):
to me because I didn't playbaseball, but you know could be
anything and so you get are-stimulator that gets you to
(02:54):
buy or do something.
And so you're living in asociety that does nothing but
restimulate, which is bypasscharge, which is bypass charge
because you're restimulating anearlier, earlier, earlier,
(03:16):
earlier, earlier and so on thing.
Now you're not going to be ableto access something you know
right off the bat, somequintillion years ago or
squillion years ago or whateverin most cases, unless you're in
good shape and you've alreadygotten auditing.
(03:37):
If you've gotten auditing, thenthen you know you're going to
be able to access somethingearlier.
But that's the thing.
When you're dealing withScientology auditing, you're
dealing with a key out.
(03:57):
In most cases, you're notdealing with an erasure.
So when you get a floatingneedle very good indicators,
cognition.
You know.
Floating needle, very goodindicators, cognition.
You know that's sorry, I'mthinking faster than I can talk
per L or H.
When you're doing that, you'rekeying something out.
(04:18):
Okay, that's all you're tryingto do is you're trying to key
out the person, key out theperson, key out the person.
But you're keying this stuffout in a well laid out, logical
manner and it's very methodical,and it's one little victory
(04:39):
after another.
But you're just keying thesethings out so that you can get
to the reactive mind to handleit in Dianetics New Era
Dianetics and that's theimportant thing that you need to
pay attention to is thatthere's a lot that needs to be
keyed out.
But while you're keyed out,you're still dealing with bypass
(05:01):
charge in your day-to-day life.
You know making money,relationships with family,
friends a second dynamic typethings, all of this stuff, and
so you have this bypass chargethat's developed.
But what you're trying to do isyou're just trying to get
enough bypass charge keyed outso that you can get in there and
(05:24):
you can get to the end of thecave and get the prize, which is
the reactive mind, and you canaccess it.
You've got enough stuff out ofthe way that you can look at it
and you can go for broke andhandle this thing called the
reactive mind.
And what does that do?
(05:44):
Well, it erases a significantamount of bypass charge.
Dianetics is deceptively,deceptively simple.
But LRH found that the societywas going down the tubes so
quickly because New EraDianetics back in 78 was at the
bottom of the bridge, because itwas so deceptively simple.
(06:10):
And then what he found out wasthings were going to hell in a
handbasket.
So bad with the drug culture.
I mean, you look at the waythings are now versus the way
they were then and it'sexponentially worse.
Exponentially worse both infoods and street drugs, medical
(06:31):
drugs, psychiatric drugs.
So he moved it up to above thegrades.
After all of the drug handling,you have to key out these drugs
and the way the grade chart isset up.
You handle drugs three times,three times.
So you've got this.
You've got this bypass chargeon drugs.
You handle whatever the body'sre-stimulating you on which is
(06:51):
bypass charged in the purif.
You, you do your Scientologydrug rundown and you're keying
out whatever drugs are readingon the person.
And you, you, you feel a lotcleaner, a lot more in present
time.
You do objectives.
You're now.
You're more in present time.
You do objectives.
Now you're really in presenttime.
You've got all your ducks in arow and you're really here and
(07:13):
then you start working on yourrecall and you're handling the
bypass.
And this is an interestingthing that most people don't
know what you're doing with theself-analysis list in ARC
Straightwire.
Guess what you're doing?
You're dispelling, yeah, you'reremoving bypass charge of locks
(07:34):
, incidents that have lots ofdianetic locks, things that are
bypass charge on earlier engrams, which allows you to have a
better recall.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So it's this incremental handling a bypass
charge that we're doing and it'sinteresting what you were
saying around, um, the marketingside of it because, um, after
you saying it and thenexplaining, explaining why kind
of feeds itself and it's become.
It's become this monsterbecause, like, the more that
(08:07):
we're being re-stimulated, themore they're creating on top of
that.
So it's almost like you know,it started with one
re-stimulation, as an example,and then all of a sudden it
becomes two, and then it becomesthree, and then it becomes 20,
and then it becomes 40, and thenit becomes, you know, a hundred
, a thousand and like, justlooking at it from the marketing
(08:28):
perspective, the way things arerevolving, say with with just
medication, um, you know, adhd,um all these, all these things
that are recurring, um arere-stimulating things because
there's things out there wheresimple life skills could handle
(08:49):
versus a diagnosis, which isreally interesting from what you
just said earlier.
It just compounds itself and atthe moment it's compounding at
such an incredible rate in justnormal society, whatever that's
that is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, we just did the podcast the other day.
You know, you watching,watching, uh, you know, uh,
national media or internationalmedia and things like that.
And the reason why I said, youknow, don't listen to it, don't
believe it, part of that isbecause a lot of this stuff is
(09:30):
designed to be re-stimulated ona large scale, on an exponential
scale, the larger arc and youknow, like incidents like 9-11,
for example.
I mean, that's what 23 yearsago?
Was it 2001?
Yeah, 2001.
(09:51):
I can't remember, but yeah,yeah, 23 years ago.
And there are certain incidentson the track and things like
that that re-stimulate people onthings, and explosion incidents
re-stimulate people on thingsand explosion incidents
restimulate people.
You look at the cover of theDianetics book and the volcano.
(10:12):
He put that on there for areason, because it restimulated
the person to go.
This is different.
Why is there a volcano on thecover?
Something about this?
So you know, from thatstandpoint, it gets the person
to want to look into it.
I mean, the original Dianeticsbook didn't have a volcano on it
, it was just a green cover withthe title of the book.
(10:37):
So you know, you can restimulatemore bypass charge than you can
handle and that's when the tonearm goes up on the E-meter.
The tone arm shows the presence.
Reduction or increase alwaysshows the presence, but it shows
the change in the amount ofmental mass that is going on
with the pre-clear or the pre-OTat any given time.
(10:58):
And when you overwhelm a PCwith too much bypass charge,
then now you're going to reallyhave to do some handling.
And what you're doing, allyou're doing with auditing, is
you're selectivelyre-stimulating one little thing
and you're handling it.
So you get an FNCOG, vg,cognition, very good indicators,
(11:21):
Re-stimulate, checking aquestion.
We're stimulating one littlething.
If it doesn't read, we don'trun it.
You check it a few differentways and if it doesn't read, you
move on.
Same thing.
And that's what this is.
Auditing is selective gradient.
One little bit of information,find it, handle it next find it,
(11:47):
handle it next.
find it, handle it next onvarious subjects.
And if somebody has a big issuegoing on in their life and
there's a lot of charge, let'ssay it's interiorization,
exteriorization, where theperson has births and deaths
restimulated, which is verycommon, and this is something
(12:10):
that happens early on inauditing.
When the person goes exteriorearly on on the bridge, they get
restimulated on earlier birthsand deaths per the Scientology
interiorization rundown series.
And so what this does is itoverwhelms the PC and you can't
do anything else.
The tone arm is high.
(12:30):
You have to handle this thingbefore you handle anything else,
anything else.
And that's handled with New EraDianetics.
If the person has to have ithandled again, it can be done
with Scientology Auditingbecause you've already handled
it with New neurodianetics.
If the person has to have ithandled again, it can be done
with Scientology auditingbecause you've already handled
it with neurodianetics andsomething else has restimulated
them and you're just trying tocool it off that type of thing,
(12:53):
because it can happen more thanonce that a person can get
restimulated on it, becausethere's only so much that they
can access at one particulartime when you're running it, and
so the more the person's recallincreases the more they can
access, the more they canre-stimulate his bypass charge.
So it's interesting that whileyou're handling something, you
(13:17):
can re-stimulate a big ball ofenergy somewhere earlier birds,
earlier deaths, that are engramsand this throws the tone arm
way up and you have to handle it.
But this is what happens inauditing.
It just depends what getsrestimulated.
You touch on this thing andyou're handling green beans and
(13:37):
then something comes up aboutcar accidents and that leads to
this whole chain of things.
So it's bypass charge and youhave to handle it.
And then you get back to yourregular schedule of what you're
trying to do and get back torestimulating one little thing.
Restimulating one little thing.
So in life, in the physicaluniverse and as a Thetan, you're
(13:59):
going to have bypass charge.
Come up on things.
If you can't, you can't live ina hermetically sealed
environment and think thatyou're gonna just avoid anything
that re-stimulates you.
So being in a bodyre-stimulates you.
Being in the physical universere-stimulates you.
Having communication withpeople re-stimulates you.
(14:20):
Lower communication, lower tonecommunication, maybe higher
tone communication.
But the thing is is that as youhandle the bypass charge, you
tend to not get re-stimulated onas many things.
So you're throwing the waterout of the boat and the bilge
pump starts to get caught up.
(14:42):
And now you don't have as muchwater in the boat, boat isn't as
heavy, the sails start working,you can start moving to your
destination faster, instead ofthe boat sinking into the water.
That's the best analogy that onecan use is that you're so
overburdened you can't getanything done.
And this applies to flows aswell.
(15:04):
You know, if you've got a lotof bypass charge on flows,
you're trying to make money.
What are you going to do?
Well, you have to handle thatbypass charge in that area
that's blocking that flow as aridge.
A ridge is a defined area ofenergy where you've got one side
pushing one way and anotherside pushing another, or you've
got something putting a ridgethere, and the only way to do
(15:27):
that is to handle the bypasscharge in that area so that the
ridge goes away.
And this is how auditing works,how flows open.
You know that type of a thingbecause you've got this
postulate, counter postulate.
And why is there a postulate inthe first place?
Because there's some bypasscharge that's holding that
postulate there.
That made you put the postulatethere in the first place.
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That's what's at the bottom ofan NIDGRAM.
That's why an engram doesn'tblow unless you get the posture
lit off.
Because you made a decisionabout something because of
bypass charge, that you ran intoand said I'm going to go left
instead of straight, or I'mgoing to go right instead of
straight, or I'm going to gobackwards, because this is the
only way to handle this, becauseI can't handle this bypass
(16:08):
charge, so I'm going to, I'mgoing to put this thing here.
That's, that apparently solvesit.
That apparently solves it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Mm-hmm, okay, so Okay , that's a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, it is Kind of got on a roll there.
But the sum of the case is it'sbypass charge and that's the way
that it needs to be looked atis if, if you're, if you're not
feeling right about something oryou're possessed about
something or you're, you knowthere's bypass charge there that
(16:43):
hasn't been handled.
That's true for me, it's truefor you, it's true for everybody
.
It's finding and handling thecorrect bypass charge, and when
you do, you're going to quote,unquote, feel better as a Thetan
, as a being, and you're goingto have flows unstuck.
It's just a matter of findingit.
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That's what the meter's for,that's what auditing's for, and
LRH said okay, so we're going tomake a map, systematic map, of
all of the things that need tobe handled in their proper order
, so that a person can go clear,so that a person can do the
first OT level, the second, thethird, the fourth, that type of
(17:30):
thing.
You're not able to confront itbecause there are earlier bypass
charges that need to be handledbefore you can actually
confront the greater bypasscharge.
You're lightening the load, asit were.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I hope that helps, okay, okay, so what would it
look like?
Actually, here's a question.
So let's say intuition, right?
So sometimes, intuitively, youmight get a gut feeling towards
something or someone, asituation, a situation.
(18:22):
So how would that differphysically from, say, bypass
charge?
You know, would?
Um?
So if I haven't have a gutfeeling around a particular
situation, um, I'm going to bossand I've got a gut feeling my
boss is going to give me a hardtime when I get to work.
Then I get to work and nothinghappens, right?
So that gut feeling that I had,was it potential bypass charge
(18:44):
versus, say, an intuitivefeeling, like, would there be
much of a difference?
Or would you say the intuitiveaspect is potentially bypass
charge, which is why you'refeeling a particular sensation?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Well, and that's a that's a great question, because
what Ron says on that is if youknew it was wrong with you, it
wouldn't be wrong with you.
Think about that for a second,as as we've been talking about
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bypass charge, if you knew itwas wrong with you, it wouldn't
be wrong with you.
So if you could, if you could,indicate the bypass charge,
you'd already be clear in ot soyou'd rock up to work and you'd
just do what you have to do.
(19:40):
Well, you would be living thelife that you want to live.
Chances are you wouldn't berocking up to work, chances are
you wouldn't be rocking up towork to a job, because if we
could handle it on our own, wewould.
Because if they can considersthemselves messed, you go out,
walk up to the man on the streetand you say, you know?
(20:02):
I walk up to one of the peoplewalking in front of my house
here or something like that say,did you know that you're a
spiritual being and that you'renot a body?
How many people would actuallygo?
Yes, I do.
We've got ourselves convinced.
What are you talking about?
Right, you're crazy.
Right, god chooses my pathBecause Thetan has gone so far
(20:29):
down that they have to assigncause to something else, because
they can't take responsibilityfor anything themselves.
And God works in mysteriousways and you know, that's just
it.
And they stop inspecting it andthey just go.
That's life.
Life sucks and you know, that'sit, whereas if you could handle
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it and you get out of this, youknow I am messed, I am a
spiritual being.
Okay, and you can do it, andyou can do it stably.
Okay, then there you go Now.
Now you're cooking and now youcan do solo auditing and you can
spot these other areas ofbypass charge that are part of
the composite case.
And now you're really movingalong and there's a lot, a lot
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of charge where you might get.
If you're lucky, you might gettwo and a half divisions of tone
arm in an hour in a session atthe lower end of the bridge.
Two and a half divisions In anOT session.
You might get somewhere in theneighborhood of 15 to 50.
In some cases I've had a coupleof sessions where I got over 50
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divisions of TA in an auditingsession.
That's.
I mean, that's that's 20 times.
So you have to be able toaddress this in a systematic way
to where now you can confrontmore and your awareness is there
that you can now spot thebypass charge on your own on the
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OT levels.
It's just that way and it's notthere to make money for
somebody, it's just.
This is how far down in thewell that we are.
Instead of a 10-foot line ofrope to get the person out of
there, you've got 50 feet thatyou have to pull the person up
and as you go it becomes lessrope, less rope, less rope and
(22:32):
they're finally up to thesurface.
And here you are, you're atzero.
Okay, I can see what's going onhere, I'm aware of these things
.
And LRH says check this shit up.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And you're like oh my God, I never knew this was
there, and I think if I was totry to imagine what that would
feel like or what would happento me in that state, I'm
probably thinking it'd be alongthe lines of less mental noise
(23:06):
when it comes to decision making, when it comes to life choices,
when it comes to yourjustifications for not doing
something that you really wantto do just won't exist, and so,
therefore, you're more thanlikely going to do something you
want to do without fear,without anything getting in the
(23:30):
way of you wanting to do that,and probably doing it in a
healthy way rather than you know, I suppose, in an emotionally
driven way.
And I suppose, even then, theamount of emotional control you
could have in your life as well,without those emotional
(23:50):
decisions, it would just be adecision, you know, like having
a glass of water or as simple asgoing for a walk, or right yeah
, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
yeah, I mean you have a lot less background noise,
you know, I mean it's, it's.
It's sort of like you have somany sources.
If you've ever been in a noisyenvironment, you know in a busy,
busy downtown area and there'sjust noise coming from so many
different sources and you'relike God, I can't think I got to
close the window, you know,just shut the radio off, shut
the TV off.
(24:24):
You know those are all.
Those are all re-stimulatorsfor people when they have a
reactive mind.
And if you eliminate there-stimulators and you give them
a calm environment, that'squiet.
But sometimes a calm and quietenvironment is restimulated to
some people too.
That's right.
Yeah, you know it depends onthe being and what's
(24:46):
restimulative to them, but it'simportant to note that as you
handle it is just like theconfusion formula in Scientology
Find a particle, handle it.
Find another particlehandleology.
Find a particle, handle it.
Find another particle, handleit.
Find another particle, handleit.
This is where all this datacame from.
Is this came from auditing?
And he just looked at it from adifferent angle and said, okay,
(25:07):
this is what we gotta do when aperson's in confusion, you find
a particle and you handle it.
Now there's one less thingdriving them nuts Now you handle
it.
Now.
There's one less thing drivingthem nuts Now you handle this.
Okay.
There's one less thing drivingthem nuts Because you're looking
at such an over-restimulationthat the person has gone down
the conditions, the ethicsconditions in Scientology, to a
point of confusion.
(25:27):
They're so overwhelmed, they'rejust completely in confusion.
They're not even close to beingable to go in session because
they're in such a confusion.
So you then go from confusion.
You've got treason and enemy,doubt, liability, non-existence,
danger, emergency, normalaffluence, power, power change.
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That's the scale.
So at some point you've gotenough stability, stable datums
in your life that you canfunction and you can start
performing a forward path, aplan, and get it done so that
you can get on with things.
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That's what it comes down to isyou're doing the same thing with
auditing, as you are, theScientology ethics conditions,
and the only thing that can stopyou from progressing is false
data where you're a potentialtrouble source.
That's what hangs a person upand down.
So that's bypass charge thatyou have to handle is being a
(26:31):
potential trouble source.
You've got some suppressiongoing on.
That's bypass charge onsomebody in your past or
somebody in your present.
That's suppressing you.
You get that out of the way.
You don't have any false data,or maybe you do.
You get that handled.
So you've got the rightinformation.
Now you can get out of doubtand you can get into liability
on the first dynamic.
Then you can get intononexistence and go okay, okay,
(26:53):
what's needed and wanted Allright, now I need to do, produce
and present it.
So you know you're handlingbypass charge in lots of
different ways in Scientology,not just with auditing.
You know getting informationand reading it from a book,
listening to a lecture if it'sthe proper gradient lecture for
you.
You're putting more order in byhaving more information to
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operate off of, just by learningthe concepts.
And the same thing is true withauditing is you're learning the
concepts that you have taughtyourself were a certain way and
you think that's the right wayto go, because life has said
you're going to do this, whetheryou want to or not, and you're
(27:39):
like, okay, okay, okay, this ishow I'll operate.
And you've been beat down bythe physical universe.
You've made these decisions.
And then you go in session withan auditor and you look at it
from a different perspective,where it's you and the auditor
looking at the reactive mind andyou go, wow, that was a screwy
viewpoint that I had on that.
Why the hell did I ever decidethat?
(28:02):
Okay, now you've keyed that out, that bypass charge isn't there
, and so on and so on and so on.
So there are lots of differentways to do it.
That's all Scientology is.
That's all Dianetics is, youcould say, knowing how to know.
Okay, well, how do you know howto know?
Handle some bypass charge soyou can start knowing that's it.
That's it.
Scientology is handling bypasscharge in one way or another.
(28:23):
Same thing with theadministrative policies and
everything is you have a bunchof people running around.
There's no organization,because they all have bypass
charge on how to organizesomething and they think it
needs to be done a certain wayand it's contra survival.
So you're trying to put orderin in order to prevent bypass
(28:44):
charge People getting upset.
This guy didn't do this.
Where's my invoice?
How come this is late?
No, no, no, no all this stuff,I mean everything.
Everything is a restimatorthat's causing you to have a
reaction, reaction, reactivity,reactive mind is causing you and
(29:05):
debilitating you from beingable to get on with the show for
yourself across your dynamicsbecause of all of this bypass
charge.
And that's all LRH was doingwith all of this stuff was
saying here's a different angleon how to do this in this area,
here's a different way to dothis, a different angle on this
in this area.
That's all it is.
(29:25):
Period.
That's what.
Knowing how to know is Knowwhat, know where the bypass
charge is, so that you can seethe trees for the forest, and
now you can climb higher, beable to see what for the forest,
and now you can go climb higher, be able to see what's going on
, and now you've got an exteriorviewpoint.
Okay, next thing we need toconfront is even a bigger kettle
(29:46):
of fish.
That's it.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And it's interesting Go ahead.
Cause, like, like just in theeveryday, like not using
scientology terms, you'd seebypass charge in so many
different ways through peoplehaving anxiety through.
You know my favorite thinglately?
The narcissist through ornarcissistic behaviors um
(30:13):
bipolars, adhds, any sporadickind of I don't know anything
that doesn't seem to fit insociety's norms or things that
people struggle with, they justcan't seem to get out of, they
can't get ahead they can't moveforward.
(30:34):
They can't sleep properly,they're restless, they're
agitated, they're angry, they're, you know, lost love, like all
these things that I don't know,I suppose, aberrate society.
That seem to be big themes thatneed to have awareness towards,
and need to have medication for, need to need to need to,
(30:57):
awareness towards and need tohave medication for, need to
need to need to need to need toyeah, as opposed to just going
to the source of it and thennaturally normalizing, as
opposed to putting so muchpressure on yourself.
And the funny thing is, thesetechniques are very
user-friendly, like they're not.
They're not um aggressivetechniques and they're not
(31:22):
invasive.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
they're, they're none of those things like they're,
yeah, they're, they're verygradient things that anybody can
do.
Yeah, I mean, you look at, lookat self-analysis lists, recall
a time you, you, you smelled thewildflower and what was the
touch?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's how that's an in Recall the time.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's in ARC.
You know it's not out Affinityto Reality, Communication and
Understanding.
It's very, very light touch,Whereas you know you're at
curious on the CDEI scale.
Curious, desired, enforced,inhibited, no one refused.
You're curious on this, whereasthe way things are on this
(32:02):
planet is do it or fucking elsedo it yeah, get your taxes in or
you're going to jail or how doI do my taxes?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know how to do my taxes.
You know that sort of thingthat's right, that's right and
the anxiety and the things thatcan come from the pressure, of
say, taxes.
You know people will go to thepoint where they'll kill
themselves yeah, because there'sso much charge that they can't
confront it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, they're overwhelmed.
Yeah, there's no, there's nosolution to it.
And if somebody was theresomebody, you know, you see
these call boxes on thesebridges in the united states.
I'm sure they have themelsewhere.
That's the only place I've seenthem where there's a bridge.
And you know, suicide hotline.
Pick up the phone and callsomebody.
Somebody sits there and talksto them and says no, you know,
(32:49):
I'm literally talking you off ofa bridge, you know, because
there's so much bypass chargethere.
And that's the thing.
If you indicate the bypasscharge this is the next, next
step here in the podcast If youindicate the bypass charge, the
PC goes yeah, yeah, I was reallybeefing me up because you're
(33:13):
indicating it through what's onthe meter.
You can't do.
You can't do that.
I mean, you know, I've thoughtabout, you know, if there was an
app that could be on your watch.
That was a meter and you hadyour little bypass charge app.
And as you're going throughlife, your Apple watch says, hey
, there was some bypass chargethere on that thought you just
(33:35):
had.
You know, just-.
That's actually a really reallycool idea.
Yeah, just in everyday life.
You just uncovered some bypasscharge.
I thought I'd let you know.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Siri, because you're not on the meter all the time.
I mean, life is what is goingon outside of sessions, and to
the degree that you have yourlife in order is to the degree
that you're not experiencing asmuch bypass charge, so there's
less water coming into the boatand the boat just floats and
(34:08):
does what it's supposed to do,and so that's the thing is being
able to get the indication thatthere's bypass charge there,
and as you go up the bridge, youcan indicate to yourself, even
if you don't have a meter hey,you know, I've got some bypass
charge on this, and, and thatthat communication cycle just
makes you feel better.
(34:29):
Yeah, I've got bypass charge onthis, and that's.
That's a really cool idea.
I like that idea.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, because imagine walking around all day, every
day, getting into life and noteven realizing you have bypass
charge, but then you've got anindicator that will show it,
because there'll be so manyelements that will be just so
normal to you you don't evenrealize it's there until you
realize it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Right, because that's what the tone arm on a meter is
is.
It's saying how charged up areyou?
Yeah, okay, and if you're above3.0, and maybe you're above 4.0
, 4.5, 5.0 on the tone arm,you're pretty charged up.
You've got a lot of chargegoing on there.
You can say, yeah, I need toget in session.
(35:15):
I mean, you know it's an index,that's what an auditor uses it
for.
There's a lot of bypass chargehere.
Okay, we need to do acorrection list, we need to find
out what's going on.
So, you know, just rollingthrough life every day, rocking
up to work, like you say, youknow that can build up bypass
charge because there are thesethings here that you haven't
(35:36):
been able to spot that areaffecting you, slowing you down,
because there's this mentalmass that has been restimulated
but not yet de-stimulated thatcauses you to feel so beefed up
about things.
And you look at the stuff inthe news media and all of that
and it's just beefed up.
(35:57):
And it's beefed up andeverything is.
You know the battle for thisand we're going to war for that.
And and and.
Everything is looked,everything is looked at and and
characterized through themetaphor of battle, even, even
professional games.
You know, these two teams aregoing to head and they're going
to go into battle.
(36:18):
What the fuck is that all about?
I mean, you know, you're,you're, you're, you're literally
trying to say this is a mock, amock war.
These two guys well, a bunch ofguys kicking a ball around, or
throwing a ball around, orknocking a ball around with some
implement, whether it'sbaseball or it's, it's a, uh,
what's the cricket?
(36:39):
You know that.
That highlight whatever, andand so you, just you just have
these people that are constantlyrestimulating battle, battle,
fight.
It's a fight for this.
You've got to fight to survive.
It's a fight to get throughcollege.
It's why.
Why is it a why?
Why, what is it?
What does it have to be thatway?
(37:00):
Why isn't it a game?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
maybe, um, maybe, it's a real life representation
of what actually goes inside ofus.
Maybe that's why these thingsare that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's the bypass charge.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, the battle of the mind, yeah, yeah yeah,
that's the bypass charge and soeverything is characterized as a
battle of the mind.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Can I get my shit together?
Well enough to quote unquotebeat the opponent, beat.
Think about that.
I'm going to beat my opponent.
What's the word beat mean?
Knock the shit out of them.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm going to beat them knock the shit out of them,
I'm gonna beat them.
So, using that um as an analogy, then, with the best position
to be in that situation you're,you're witnessing a battle
between two teams, a game, be itfootball or whatever it is.
Then, as as as the observer,you've paid a ticket to witness
(38:01):
this game, is that the positionyou should be holding the
excitement of the game, notnecessarily the war itself, but
just being able to witness thegame without being injured,
without being tired, withoutbeing aggressive or any of those
things, just literally beingable to witness the game and
(38:23):
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
And of course some games you know you won't enjoy
right, you know that's a flowthree.
You know others to others flowone is others to you.
Flow two is you to others.
Flow zero is you to yourself?
Think about that, and you knowthis.
(38:44):
This gets, gets back into whatl rates talks about, about goals
, problems, mass.
They're two opposing forces andin the middle it's like two
hoses.
You know of water.
And then there's a big ball ofwater in the middle and so it it
it's, it stays there and itgets stuck, and and so it it
persists.
And that's that's the thing isis, do you want to play games
(39:08):
that take your attention off ofthe games?
You can't, you can't decide,and it's a distraction to
gladiators in the Coliseum, youknow dueling to the death or a
bunch of them dueling to thedeath or whatever for
entertainment purposes, and, uh,the winners go on and go on and
kill some other people, and youknow that type of thing and
this.
(39:28):
It's just a completedistraction.
That means nothing.
At the end of the day, it's twoor three hours that you won't
get back.
Now, I'm not saying there's any.
You know anything wrong withwatching a, a match, a game, if
it's a game.
But the thing is, is it'sbypass charge.
(39:48):
Why?
Why do people need distractions?
Why do they need distraction?
Yeah, pretty simple.
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
If I had the choice of adistraction tv, I almost never
watched tv.
Almost never watched tv.
Yeah, for, for, but I mean forreasons that it's obvious
(40:09):
manipulation to me, but myawareness is there that it's
like I, I already know what'sgoing to happen the, the, the
protagonist isn't going to diein this episode, because if he
did, we wouldn't have a tv show.
So what's the fucking point?
That's right, it's, it's, it'smade up.
And you have these people thatare, you know, I, I love star
wars as a kid, and you havethese people that that they're.
(40:30):
They're so imbued into thisfictional fantasy universe.
That's all made up, all made up.
It isn't their universe, it'ssome other universe.
People have learned the klingonlanguage from star trek.
Somebody made up a wholelanguage for a whole race that
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doesn't exist, because theyneeded a distraction.
Now, the distraction wascreativity.
Somebody was creative enough tocreate a whole language based
off of a race that doesn't existin a fictional tv show from the
1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s,2020s now.
And so you have all of thesedistractions.
Why are you being distracted?
(41:15):
Why are you being distracted?
Why are you being distracted?
What is it that you're notwilling to confront, not willing
to look at that?
You need a distraction thatallows you to give you this
feeling of creativity andeverything.
Nothing wrong with creativity,I'm not trying to say that but
it distracts you from bypasscharts that could or should be
(41:38):
handled.
That might just get thiscivilization out of the shithole
.
Sorry, I'm going to be a littleblunt here and a little coarse,
but that's what this is allabout.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Focus on something far greater than entertainment
like purpose.
Right, creating purpose overjust me entertainment.
Right, creating purpose overjust mere entertainment.
Right, and and it's funnybecause, like you mentioning
that, you know a lot of peoplestrive for entertainment in many
different ways, as opposed tostriving for something much
(42:10):
greater and much purposeful,whatever that might be to the
individual.
As far as a creative abilitygoes, yeah, you know, people
will spend a lot of money like Idon't know about up there, but
here, for example, you know theocean, people will spend a lot
(42:31):
of money on a boat that goesreally, really fast, or you know
, so they'll devote a lot oftheir time to that.
And what's interesting is like,on one hand, it's a creative
genius thing that is justproduced for something
entertaining.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Right?
It's not going to take us out ofthis planet.
(42:52):
It's not going to cure adisease.
No, it's not going to make ourawareness greater.
It's not going to de-aberrateus.
If anything, it's going todistract us from aberrations,
right and bypass charges.
And it might even create morebypass charge, because your
neighbor just bought a hundredand fifty thousand dollar boat
(43:15):
that will go, you know, half asfast as yours.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, and, and you know, if you want to, if you
want to deconstruct it reallyquickly, and a person person is,
you know, spending all thistime and money and effort and
energy and all this stuff onboating and they're like you
know, wow, this just reallymakes me feel great, it makes me
feel invigorated.
What are they doing?
They're keying themselves outand it's a distraction from
(43:46):
their case because it gives themsomething to feel better about,
as opposed to how they wouldfeel if they weren't doing that.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
And people get really , really good at these things,
you know, and and that's that'salmost like a yeah, so it's
almost like a false purpose asopposed to a humanitarian
purpose, in a sense yeah, it's aplacebo.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's a placebo.
You know it keys them out andthen they go back to their day
job, that that that affords themthe ability to buy the boat and
and the motor, and you know thelicenses and da, da, da, da, da
, and you know fish finders andall this stuff, and it's the
only thing that makes them happy.
It's what they go to work for,in order to get away from the
(44:24):
key ends, the bypass charge atwork, the job that they don't
like, and this whole societycircles around two days a week
Saturday and Sunday.
Those are the holy days forpeople, because they get to do
what they want, not what theyhave to do.
Why is it that they have to dowhat they have to do?
Because they can't seem to getpast something that is
(44:46):
preventing them from doing whatthey would really like to do.
That would help them make themoney that they want to make, so
on and so forth.
Because there's this bypasscharge sitting there and it's a
solution to a problem.
It's always a solution to aproblem.
The bypass charge is theproblem.
That's the point of thispodcast yeah, interesting,
(45:07):
interesting.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, it's good it's really good.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I hope that dispels any misunderstandings.
And and how pervasive bypasscharge is Is bypass charge is
what Scientology handles andwhat it's for, what Dianetics is
for to relieve you of thethings that are holding you back
.
And you can look at anythingand go, wow, that's charging me
(45:33):
up, there's something there,there's bypass charge there.
Ha ha, you've just doneyourself a favor.
You've just done yourself afavor.
You've just done yourself afavor by indicating that bypass
charge when you got beefed upabout something and then you can
tell yourself that and you cantell your case supervisor that
you can say I need to get insession and address this thing
(45:54):
and then write it down on apiece of paper.
These are things that beef meup, that type of a thing.
So it's not something I hearpeople who aren't auditors
mention very much and I wantedto make it more part of the
vernacular in the dictionary ofcommonly used words that, if
you're going to be anindependent Scientologist and
(46:15):
Dianeticist, understanding thisconcept is key to not being the
adverse effect of everythingaround you.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's good yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
So, for Arthur and myself, we hope this cleared
some things up for you and wewill see you later on this week
with another podcast.
Take care everybody, nam, onthis week with another podcast.
Take care everybody, namaste,and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Bye-bye, thank you, thank you, you.
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