February 20, 2025 • 47 mins
Have you ever considered how the seemingly simple act of rejoicing can transform your entire life? Join us for an enlightening conversation with Arthur Moudakis and myself, Jonathan Burke as we unravel the many layers of joy. Drawing from personal experiences, like the rhythmic passion of drumming and the intriguing philosophies of Independent Scientology, we explore how joy acts as a universal force, urging us to be present and intentional. Arthur helps us trace the etymology of joy, revealing its roots and guiding us towards finding new happiness in unexpected corners of our lives.
We dive into the exhilarating essence of joy-fueled creation, reminiscent of the joyful nostalgia of an Atari 800 computer and the transcendent flow achieved through music. This episode likens the shared exuberance of Southern Baptist gatherings to the energy unleashed when individuals are fully engaged in their passions. By weaving in stories of historical figures like Nikola Tesla and musicians like Neil Peart, we underscore how joy, born from discovery and mastery, becomes a driving force that lights our path through life's complexities.
Arthur leads us deeper into the idea of joy as a self-created truth, pushing us to seek personal catalysts that spark happiness. From the profound joy found in the pursuit of knowledge to the spiritual reactions evoked by physical experiences, we examine how joy is deeply intertwined with creativity and discovery. Our conversation concludes with practical advice on embracing joy in everyday life, encouraging listeners to take simple, intentional actions to cultivate happiness. Arthur and I are thrilled to share this joyful journey with you, and we hope it inspires you to recognize and embrace the joy that surrounds you. Namaste and remember, joy is always within your reach.
Website: ao-gp.org
Be social and join US!: collegeofindependentscientology.com
Take our personality test and get a free evaluation: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RHJQ6DY
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
that's okay that's all right.
Hi and welcome to anotherscientology outside of the
church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 23.
I'm here with arthur mudakis.
Uh quentin is off, uh,traveling the world,
experiencing new things in, uhthailand, I think, so he's got
(00:24):
the day off.
So Arthur wanted to do apodcast on joy and I'm going to
let Arthur lead this one andI'll jump in where I can and
everything like that andsomething that he feels is
(00:45):
important, and I do too, andwe'll see where this heads.
So take it away, arthur.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, so this kind of started.
A few days ago I was caught upwith a friend and we were having
a coffee and he said to me hesaid to me he needs to
experience more joy.
And I thought about it.
I'm like joy, Okay, what doesjoy actually mean?
Like where does it happeninside of us?
(01:16):
And how do you know when you'reat joy?
Like how do you know?
So if I was to ask you, John,like if you were to tell me what
joy is according to you, whatwould it be?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Um, I'd want to say that that joy has a levity to it
.
Okay, um, you know where you.
You know you could say thatthat's where you're.
You're really keyed out aboutsomething that that indicates to
you, that makes you feel you'reon purpose of what it is that
(01:54):
you're doing and and I thinkthat that that's different,
obviously, for everyone as towhat, what it is that you're on
purpose for.
Lrh talks about that.
A person develops their purposesearly on in life, around two,
three years old, as to whattheir purposes are.
(02:15):
On mine, it was seeing my dadcome back with a Mark IV e-meter
and probably 20 differentfour-color pens wrapped in a
rubber band and these coursepacks in plastic blue exterior
(02:38):
with all of these green andred-typed bulletins and stuff on
them and the R6 God on thefront of fundamentals of thought
and everything.
And this was something that wascompletely, uh, I'd never seen
in the house before and I waslike two and a half, three,
three and a half years old and I, I, and then, you know, on top
(03:01):
of that, listening to theBeatles and the Yardbirds and
Seals and Cross and Jim Croceand Inigata DeVita, and got me
into drumming and I would askhim to put music on and I
thought you know, I want to be adrummer, want to be a drummer
(03:32):
and those two things, 54, 53years later, uh, are the things
that bring me the most joy in mylife?
Not, I mean drumming, probablymore consistently, because
that's just, that's somethingyou go, you go out and do,
whereas what I do with dynamicsand scientology is, um, it, it.
It brings me joy, notconsistently, because I'm I'm a
randomity person, and I thinkthat that's also one of the
(03:54):
things with joy is that, to thedegree that there's randomity in
it and it brings you into ptand keys you out, and the body
is not an impediment to what itis that you're doing, you have
joy because when you, you reallyhave joy, there's no effort,
because it's just a.
It's a, it's a create andyou're not thinking about the
(04:16):
vias, you just are doing it,you're putting it there.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's my take on it because okay,
because while we're discussingit um, you know, of course we're
talking about it I'm like Iwonder what this word actually
means.
So I'll look up the word and itsays a feeling of great
pleasure and happiness, a thingthat causes joy.
So so, as you were saying, thenthe drums cause joy for you
(04:43):
yeah yeah example, yeah, becauseit's a putting it there in in
time.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know, in real time, you have to manifest it,
you have to be and that's thething is like lrh talks about in
the the art series is is you're, you're, you're creating time
musically?
Well, you can create, you cancreate time with anything and
have joys, because when you're,when you're creating your own
time outside of you know, it'slike any.
(05:10):
Anything that you have joy with, it seems to me, is something
that you, you look at your watchone moment and you look at it
the next and it's four hourslater.
Yes, yeah, that's when joy ishappening.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, so, as we're looking up the definition um and
the word comes from from oldfrench um, and it actually means
rejoice.
So the derivation is to rejoice, which I found really
interesting, because in order torejoice something, you've got
(05:45):
to be very present with it andyou've actually got to recognize
that you're there in order toexperience joy.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, you have to be in present time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah.
Or there's a sense of a well,yeah, to an individual level.
And then it was funny becauseI'm like, okay, rejoice, what's
rejoice?
And then it was funny becauseI'm like, okay, rejoice, what's
rejoice.
So we look at rejoice and itsays feel or show great joy or
delight, and then the derivationfor joy is experience joy.
(06:16):
So, on one hand, to rejoiceyou've got to be experiencing
joy, but then, in order torejoice, you've got to be aware
that you're in joy.
Yeah, so, instead of like anafterthought, what if joy became
the forethought, like like anactual intention?
(06:37):
I'm going to do this to enjoy it, because I'm not feeling joy
well and rejoicing somethingthat you're actually doing
intentionally, as opposed toreflecting and then saying oh, I
really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And you can experience joy and have never
done it before, because it'ssomething that you've newly
found, that you never knew thatyou could do or you could
experience.
Or you could experience or youcould manifest if you'll excuse
the term, um, yes, a newfoundtalent or some area in life that
you, you know, you'd neverexperienced before, like, uh, um
(07:18):
, you know, doing clay pots on apottery wheel or something like
that, where it's not somethingyou see every day, you don't get
around it Scuba diving andlearning how to do that, or
martial arts, or picking up amusical instrument you've always
admired, and getting to thepoint to where you can actually
(07:39):
play a small piece of music orsomething like that.
And then there you go and it'sjoy seems to come from
validation of ability, skill andcertainty.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, yes, and I think what I'm really enjoying about
this word at the moment,exploring it, because at the
same time my friend said he wasin the cold place.
So he described his situationas it was a cold place and
therefore that's why he neededjoy.
But because he was in such acold place emotionally, he was
(08:15):
unable to see joy when itappeared or experience joy or
intention joy which I foundreally interesting as well.
And then it got me thinkingit's like okay, so in, in
moments of those kinds ofsituations where you're feeling
joyless, you know you're flat,um, you've got some stuff going
(08:36):
on in life you know how do youfocus towards bringing some joy
in, in those moments ofespecially like, let's say,
you're in despair, for example,you know, bringing some joy in
just to even lighten some ofthat cold feeling or some of
(08:57):
that cold place, as my frienddescribed it, which I thought
was a really nice way ofpresenting it too.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it's a rare thing, unless you have to start
somewhere and you have to findsomething that you enjoy doing,
whether it's a hobby.
Some people get joy out ofworking hard and busting their
ass eight, 12 hours a day, andthey get joy from that because,
(09:26):
like LRH says, production is thebasis of morale, and that is an
inherent part of joy is thatyou feel that you've produced
something of merit, by your ownestimation and to the degree
that you feel good aboutwhatever it is that you do,
whether you're trying to get aproduct or the product itself,
(09:48):
and I think it's important tonote that the product itself is
just sometimes just joy periodwell, you were saying before we
started this that you got someideas coming up um that as you
were speaking about.
You're actually quite lifted bytalking about it yeah, well, I
(10:08):
mean, and that's you know,that's a shareable or not.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Just yet we've talked .
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We've talked about it in other podcasts, but it's
it's.
You know it has to do with aiand applying the tech and, uh,
getting it out there for otherpeople that they can use things
with the help of anon-quote-unquote sentient
system to get a desired resultfrom either auditing or word
clearing.
(10:36):
And applying the tech thatsomebody can use around the
clock on their phone or theirtablet or their computer and
find some joy in the tech byapplying the tech and get a
better understanding of it andapply that to life and then find
more joy, because that's what,you know, the subject of
Dianetics and Scientology aboutis being cause over life and
(11:02):
having the ability to do thethings that you want to do and
not holding yourself back inareas that cause you joy.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Joy is hard to find in life without something like
scientology and I think thething that struck me the most
with this word was the umderivation of rejoicing, because
you, that is cause, that's youbeing in cause.
You know you're actuallycausing this to happen, rather
(11:31):
than this thing happening to younow.
I'm not saying, like you saidbefore, that you can have an
experience and then, uponreflection, think, oh my god,
that was great, I've reallyenjoyed doing that.
Um, but being at cause willproduce more of these joy
moments, I believe.
Yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You're there, you're being present, you're in that
time while it's occurring um,yeah, you are, because you you
can't be in present time andcreate something, something
positive, other than doingrecall, processes of pleasure,
moments and stuff like that.
But being in present time andcreating your own time, no
(12:14):
matter what it is, is whatcauses joy, because you're being
creative in some way.
I don't care what it is, if youenjoy it, you're being there
and you're being creative insome way.
I don't care what it is, if youenjoy it, you're being there
and you're being comfortable andyou're getting something out of
it because it is something thatmakes you feel absolutely
(12:37):
present.
When I used to play video gamesas a kid on my Atari 800
computer video games as a kid onmy atari 800 computer I would,
I would get so in present timeand I would enjoy these games
that I would be playing thatwhen I got off of the computer
the lights were flickeringbecause I was so much in present
time.
I could see the cycles of thelight going on and off, because
(13:01):
it doesn't just stay on, it'sgoing on and off and cycles.
That's how in present time Iwas.
And then, when I started,started playing drums and
messing more around with time ina different way and creating
time.
It got to be even more so and,um, jamie font.
Jamie font was my, my uh musicscientology bridge music teacher
(13:25):
and he talks about this atlength, about the magic carpet
ride of being in a band and howit's.
It is so joyful that becauseyou're making this magic carpet
of this self, created throughfour or five, six individuals in
time, where you're making yourown time and you have no
(13:46):
attention on making your owntime because you don't have to
think about it, musicianshipwise, you just do it and you're
all on the same page riding thismagic carpet ride, where you're
all pushing this thing out intothe future through
improvisation or a certain song.
And you know, there's to methat particular aspect of joy.
(14:09):
The only place that I've everexperienced that amount of joy
was in that type of a situationbecause there was this yeah, arc
, I mean, you're a musician, youknow what I'm talking about
yeah, I totally understand whatyou're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And then you're right , it's completely timeless and
there's like this unanimousenergy that occurs where
everybody is there, like they'rethere yeah, I don't know how
else to explain it and andyou're so there, there's nothing
there.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, you're just like in this it's, it's, it's
incredible, it's an incrediblefeeling yeah, yeah, you're just,
you know, you're looking eachother in the eye and you got the
.
You know the guitar player, thebass players looking at the
drummer, you know the keyboardplayers looking, and and you're
all, just, you know, justfloating, creating this thing
just become one.
(15:02):
yeah, you just just just becomeone and you know where
everybody's going and whateversomebody does isn't something
that's unexpected, because youknow, that's the serenity of
beingness in a form of actionand aesthetics, and that is to
me, in what I've experienced inlife joy in the creation of time
(15:26):
.
And you can do I'm sure you cando it with other things but
it's the most palpable to me.
In expressing how to rejoice,there's a feeling you know how
you go to.
I mean, when I hear the wordrejoice, I immediately get where
there's and it's too bad,quentin's not here, but where
you're in a Southern Baptistchurch and the minister is up
(15:53):
there and he's saying somethingand I don't care whether it's
Scientology or whatever religionit is, but he's saying
something that resonates withpeople and it's an as-is-ness
that occurs, because it's thesame thing with music.
It's an as-is-ness that occursand people are like amen, amen,
(16:15):
you know, you've got the choirback there and they're in
enthusiasm and they're singingthis beautiful a cappella music
and everything, and everybody'sclapping and the whole goddamn
church might as well be floatingoff the ground in rejoicing in
this, as is this truth.
That's right.
That's right.
(16:35):
That's what joy is.
Is.
It's this personal or sharedtruth between one or more
individuals, and when you getthere, you are untouchable,
bulletproof, yes, and in thissociety it is so difficult to
find and manifest that on aconstant basis, because of all
(16:59):
of the things that aredistracting and pulling you in
one direction or another oranything.
And it's something that youhave to have in life in order to
it's sort of like, and so it'swell, what's it all for?
What's it worth?
Their napathy.
And then you get them to apoint of joy and you remind them
(17:20):
of it and they go oh, that'swhat this is for.
You remind them of it and theygo oh, that's what this is for.
That's what this is for Is thatI have to, once I revel in my
sweet spot of joy, whatever itis.
Now you go okay, this is thepoint of having a body in the
physical universe and goingthrough all the things that you
(17:40):
have, and then you go.
This is pretty freaking cool.
This is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's magical.
Yeah, it's pure magic.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And it's different for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And you have to have that regularly in order to
validate all of the otheridiosyncrasies and stops and
counterintention and and all ofthat stuff and and to the degree
that you do is to the degreethat everything else flows a lot
(18:16):
, a lot better.
You know, just 20 minutes, 30minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Do you find um?
Yeah, even just a few minutes,if you can fall into that space.
Yeah, minutes.
Do you find um?
Yeah, even just a few minutes,if you can fall into that space.
Yeah, do you find um.
When you experience joy in thatway, with such intensity?
Um, that's when you really feelalive, yeah, yeah, and then,
and that's it all your pains goaway, right, or you forget
(18:43):
everything.
You're just there, like you'rethere.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, you're reveling in the moment.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Completely naked, yeah, yeah, completely naked.
Physically, emotionally,spiritually, you're just
completely naked and your bodyis just in a flow, a timeless
flow.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and I think that that's a big component
We've mentioned it a couple oftimes is that there's this
timelessness, and thattimelessness is your Thetan.
You don't have a goddamn thingto do with time, nothing,
because in the Thetan universethere is no time, and it reminds
(19:26):
you of the fact that you areimbuing yourself into something
that forces you to say there istime, there is waiting, there is
length, there is arduousnessand all of this stuff, and
you're going to have to wait onthis linear thing where joy is
(19:47):
nonlinear.
It is just that it is and thatit's a subtle reminder to me of
self.
This is who I am and what I canmanifest and I can create.
That is on my wavelength, that,that that's my thing, whatever
(20:08):
that thing is, or things ifyou're lucky enough to have
several things that bring youjoy, whether they're in the
physical universe or not, youknow, it might be just
gallivanting around, goingexterior and looking at things.
Or, uh, you know, it brings mejoy to walk amongst, walk
amongst the trees in a quietforest.
(20:28):
Yes, I don't know why that is,but it does.
Uh, you know, beautiful sunsetscan bring you joy.
Uh, you know, sitting sittingon a beach watching the waves
come in, just these little,these little things.
Even though they're in thephysical universe, they can
(20:49):
bring you joy.
Because what is it thatmanufactures joy?
You do, what is it thatmanufactures it?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And that's my point.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, that's my point .
We have to create it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, it's a self-created truth, yeah, and
that's all that it is.
It's just that you need somesort of a catalyst.
I mean in a physical universesense, it's the best way to
pop-start the satanic car is youhave to find something that
(21:22):
brings you joy, and the morethat you do that, the more
things.
It gives you more reason tocarry on to bring yourself to
that.
Or, if you're lucky enough tohave something that brings you
joy every day, if you don't havesomething that brings you joy
every day, you might want toreconsider doing something that
does instead of a nine to fivejob or whatever that is.
(21:43):
But it's, it's a.
It's a, it's a form of ARC,it's a universal constant that
everything thrives off of.
That drives them forward in auniverse that is so contrary to
that which they are.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, and it's.
And it's interesting becausewhen I first saw the derivation
and it said rejoice, straightaway my mind went to religious
philosophies, because you know,you're always hearing, you know
that rejoicing god, thatrejoicing all these, all these
things, um, and interestingly,as we're talking about joy, I'm
(22:23):
starting to realize howappropriate that kind of is,
because it does become aspiritual experience using
physical things yeah, well, it's, it's, it's a, it's a spirit
observing physical things.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It just brings your spirit through yeah and that's
or phaeton through yeah, yeah, Imean you, you're, you're,
you're manifesting what, whatthat feeling is.
It gives it gives you joybecause it's something that
indicates to you that is eitheraesthetic or fun or is something
(23:02):
that your nature is about, thatyou are, and it says, hey, yeah
, this is, this is, this is me,this is, this is my thing.
Whatever that thing is, if it'sin the physical universe, or if
it's maybe just just reading,reading something in dianetics
or scientology or or the dao orthe bible, or you know, I mean
(23:23):
you know and I mean you know,and that's that's one of the one
of the reasons why I thinkreligion is so popular is it
gives people something to, thatindicates, that gets them to a
point of joy.
It's, it's the best way, it'sthe, the thing that resonates
with them, that articulates forthem that they duplicate and
they go oh, yeah, yeah, this isthe way.
(23:47):
Whatever that thing is and thispodcast isn't an advertisement
for any one thing but if it isit's that you need to have as
much joy in your life.
Have as much joy in your life,whether it's something creative
or something productive, becausedifferent people get joy out of
(24:14):
different things.
Some people get joy out ofrescuing animals and helping
them and finding new homes forthem, or people like having
plants and having a greenhouseand taking care of these plants
and watching them come from thistiny little seed to this
amazing looking plant or orwhatever you know brings me joy
to look at new, new ways to geta get across the concepts and
(24:36):
dianetics and scientology thatmakes it easier for people to
see that it works and and getsomething done for them.
That if it brings me joy tobring joy to other people,
that's, that's that's one of theprimary things for me.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, in a on a third dynamic sense do you think
, um, maybe, just as we'retalking, like I'm just thinking
all sorts of different thingsaround the ARC triangle and
getting to the point ofunderstanding, do you think
maybe those moments of pure joyis the peak of ARC?
(25:18):
To complete understanding whereit becomes completely timeless.
To complete understanding whereit becomes completely timeless.
Um, and I'm I mean that outsideof a mechanical aspect, but on
a personal level, that truesense of complete understanding
in the moment, which iscompletely thoughtless and it's
completely in that moment withsuch intensity yeah it, it can't
(25:45):
be questioned, it can't be umtaken away, it can't be
disturbed.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's, it's complete understanding, without any logic
attached to it at all, becauseit's literally in the moment
well, in other words, it's, it's, it's in intransitory, you know
, I mean it just floats like wewere talking about.
It's that sort of that, thatmagic carpet ride where you have
(26:11):
complete arc for it.
But you know, the two trianglesdo coexist and you've got
knowledge, responsibility andcontrol and power.
And when you have those twothings together, well then you
do have that timelessness aspectof it.
With professionals, they makesomething look easy because
(26:34):
they're not thinking about it,because they have complete
understanding.
They have complete knowledge ofhow they hold the paintbrush or
how they hold the drumstick orhow they play the.
You know the guitar and stufflike that.
There was a.
There was a is a funny storyback in the early late seventies
(26:55):
or early eighties where the,the rock group Van Halen, was
someplace playing a gig and,gosh, what's his name?
Ted Nugent came, came behindbackstage and stuff like that,
and he said to Eddie you know,hey, can I go over and play your
rig?
And and?
(27:18):
And Eddie said, yeah, go ahead.
And they fired it up andeverything like that, and he
thought he was going to go outthere and sound like eddie van
halen.
And he went out there and hesounded, sounded like ted nugent
on on eddie van halen's guitarbecause there's a, there's a,
there's a different mode, thatthe way the person plays a
particular instrument,regardless of all of the
(27:41):
electronics, regardless of this,it's not going to sound like
that person.
There's different hands,there's different approaches,
there's the different krc.
For that, that axe axe, as wesay in the, in music, whatever
the tools are is becausewhatever the tool is is, it's
not just that it's a tool, it'stheir tool, it's their mode of
(28:07):
communication through it.
And nobody writes like LRH.
If you've ever read BattlefieldEarth or you've read the
Mission Earth series, I meanthere isn't a sci-fi book out
there that is written in abetter way.
And any pro auditor publishedscience fiction author will go
yeah, I wish I could write likethat, because that's ARC and KRC
(28:32):
working together.
And that's the beauty of athetan is we all have abilities
that other thetans don't have,because we have our own
copyrighted version of arc andkrc, with the thing that brings
us joy and that joy proves outjust because it's effortless,
(28:56):
because you don't have to thinkabout it, you know.
I mean you, you look at these,these pieces of marble that the
guys during the renaissanceperiod and, and you look at it
and you would swear it is aperson with this fabric over
them, and how I mean?
You look at AI and you go, ohwell, that's AI, Because it
(29:18):
doesn't look right to the eye.
But you look at these pieces ofmarble and what they had to do
to the eye.
But you look at these pieces ofmarble and what they had to do,
what they had to do with thechisel to make it that smooth
and make it look like it's theactual person, with this flowing
fabric in the robes andeverything, and you just go how
(29:39):
is that possible?
How is that?
I mean, it's, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, what's incredible about that is just
the joy the observation of thatcreation can bring exactly,
exactly just by looking at ityeah it flows on.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's incredible yeah, they're perfect examples of
almost a mirror image of the joythat was put into it,
reflecting back on you.
And it was, and you get that itwas done on purpose because,
like lrh says, art is acommunication and to the degree
(30:17):
that it communicates is to thedegree that it causes that joy.
We've all heard, we've allheard music, we've all all seen
pieces of art or, like we said,the sunset or whatever that
cause us to have this sense ofjoy, because it is just
absolutely perfect in every waythe gradients of colors, the
(30:41):
streaks of light coming through.
You know, whatever I mean, it'severywhere.
But the thing is, is that it?
That didn't I mean?
Naturally it occurs, but eventhen, still, you look at the
physical universe and as much asa concatenation of things, it's
a marvel that you can.
You can look at jupiter, youlook at saturn or something like
(31:03):
that, and you go I mean, lookat that, look at Jupiter.
You look at Saturn or somethinglike that, and you go, I mean,
look at that, look at thoseswirls, look at how all this
stuff functions and theinterplay between it, to the
point to where, once youunderstand it, you can recreate
that stuff yourself with someother medium.
Now we're cooking with gas.
(31:25):
Now we're talking about the joyof joys.
Whatever it is, it doesn'tmatter, but that's what gets a
thetan off.
Is that joy?
It isn't something that's outthere, it is something that is
in you and to the degree thatyou can do that and you revel in
(31:46):
it, and you end upcommunicating it to somebody
else almost inadvertently,because it just mirrors.
It's a perfect mirror of thatand you've got to have that.
You've got to find something,and I don't know anybody that
hasn't experienced it themselvesin creating it themselves.
(32:06):
That's what's important lettingpeople, they can do it yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And not only is it timeless, but it's also wordless
.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's what's impressive about it it's a, it's
a, it's a complete concept.
You, you look at these, these,yeah, marble figures and you
just go yeah, you know, and youcome out with the dumbest things
.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
How did they do that?
What tools did they use?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like.
It's like the moment you'vebeen floored with this
incredible aweness of thisexperience and just viewing
these things.
Then the logic brain comes in.
You know, how did they do that?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
How could I?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
do that?
How did they do that?
Where would I begin?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, which is a compliment in itself, because
it's so incredible.
There's a mystery around itthat you're trying to understand
and work out how this happened.
How did this happen?
How did this thing get createdthe way it did?
(33:19):
It's a thing, it's a piece ofrock that a man man has put his
touch to, but not only has heput his touch to it, he's put
his spirit to it too, absolutely, and it just molded this
incredible creation, yeah, thatanybody could could observe and
just be in the same, or that hewas in while he created and
(33:39):
completed it yeah or she youknow it's that, it's that
quality where you can't sleep atnight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You're so excited about this thing that that gives
you joy to do.
You know, like, oh god, I gottalet the body, I gotta let the
body sleep.
What a, what a interruptionthis is.
I want to, and you know,sometimes you can stay up all
night.
Uh, I'll give you an example.
I've never done it before sincewhen I read Jurassic Park back
in 1991.
(34:08):
Michael Crichton, the lateMichael Crichton.
I couldn't put the book down.
I've never even done that withan LRH book.
I couldn't put the book down.
It gave me so much joy thatthis universe had been created
and was was.
So I just where what is goingto happen next?
(34:31):
Where is this going to go?
I stayed up all night to finishthe book and I was reading so
fast I'm a fast reader anyway Imean, you know, you almost, you
almost want to put it down.
And you know, because you don'twant to ruin it, because you
know that it's going to come toan end, type of a thing.
There's this joy in this storybecause there's going to be an
(34:53):
end to it.
It can't go on forever, can it?
But a lot of his books werethat way about technology and
things like that, and that's aninteresting component of joy.
Is that the body.
You sort of just say I don'tneed to sleep, I'm going to keep
doing this and people work onprojects for days because
(35:14):
they're so compelled by the joythat it gives them and this
timelessness that the body justfalls to the wayside.
I mean, that's really cool whenit does happen.
It doesn't happen often, butyou should really revel in that
sort of a thing and know you'redefinitely in the area when you
have something like that thatbrings you joy.
(35:34):
But it's also interesting tonote that when you're
experiencing joy, it's almost asif you're uncovering a mystery,
something you don't know about,and you're trying to take it in
and you're trying to get asmuch information about it as
(35:56):
possible.
You picture Nikolai Teslaworking in his lab in the middle
of the night doing this thingso there's nobody else around
and you can hear the cricketsoutside and and he and he's he's
finding these things out onyour you're on this magic carpet
ride that he had to because ofthe discoveries that he's making
(36:17):
.
Joy and discovery go hand inhand because you're, you're
getting this krRC for something.
So KRC drives joy.
And then you never, ever forgetit.
If I said, recall a time thatbrought you ultimate joy this
lifetime, there's KRC knowledge,responsibility and control.
(36:38):
Knowledge, the understanding,the ability to know it inside
and out, backwards and forwards,and to discover things that you
didn't know before, are whatdrives joy.
You learn a skill, you learn adatum or datums or skills, and
then you're like I have a hunch,will this prove out?
(36:59):
And when he found out that hecould transmit power through the
quote unquote ether, yes, canyou imagine?
Can you imagine the elation andthe joy, how that felt for
Tesla that he could do thesethings, you know, even if he was
blowing up power stations incolorado by accident, it, it, it
(37:27):
proved his point that, by god,these theories work.
You know the three, six, ninething and all this stuff.
You can only imagine how muchjoy that would bring a person,
because it's a joy, is avalidation.
It's a validation.
Quentin really should be here.
(37:47):
He would really, he reallyshould go off with it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, we miss you, but that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It's a validation.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There is another side and you know, as my friend was
saying, you know he was in thecold place.
Yeah, this is the part of joythat makes it really difficult
for us.
In this time zone and era, it'sreally easy to lose joy too.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's really easy to forget that you can experience
joy.
It's really easy to drift frombeing joyous.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, and you have to take.
I mean LRH mentions being in apush-button society.
If we're not in a push-buttonsociety, I don't know what we're
in.
We quite literally are in apush-button society.
If we're not in a push-buttonsociety, I don't know what we're
in.
We quite literally are in apush-button society.
And if everything is done foryou oh, I'm going to order Uber
Eats or oh, I'm going to do this, or oh, I'm going to do that it
(38:51):
becomes a littletwo-dimensional and joy is four
or two-dimensional, and joy isfour or five-dimensional because
it deals with the thetan andthe thetan's interaction with
the theta universe.
As to, well, serenity ofbeingness is, well, it's called
the no to mystery scale.
(39:12):
So when somebody is in joy,well, guess what they're in
serenity of beingness, that'rein serenity of beingness.
That's what serenity ofbeingness is is total arc and
total krc.
And that takes doing, notsomething, doing it for you, and
and you have to find what it isfor you, that, that, what, what
(39:35):
requirements need to be met,what you need to, and discovery
as well, is part of joy.
What can I do?
What?
What can I do?
How can I do it?
What do I need to do?
Is there's a particular way.
I need to hold the sticks, ordo I?
Do I need to do cardio in orderto pull off what it is that I
(39:56):
want to pull off?
It occurred to me that why domusical bands, why do they slow
down as they get older?
Well, their body is animpediment to them, because
their circulatory system isgetting older Unless you're Mick
(40:16):
Jagger.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, he has a machine.
Yeah, yeah, he is a machine.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I mean, you know there are, there are, there are
exceptions, but I mean you knowthe the body is something.
Sometimes you have to practiceto practice.
You know Neil Peart in rush he,he used to go out and uh, ride
his, his 10 speed bike acrossafrica, or go out on a boat and
and and uh, you know these thesethin ore boats to get his
(40:42):
cardio up and everything likethat, to be able to to play
tempos for two or three hours anight, song after song after
song.
And you have to, you have topush yourself and then you start
going, yeah, shit, I can, I cando this.
And you're training, you'repracticing to practice.
And then, as you do that, youget this joy out of practicing
(41:04):
to practice.
And now you know it so well,it's effortless and you can go
out and do that.
Anybody can do that sort of athing.
But you have to push yourselfand I think it's important to
find joy continually in life.
You have to do what scares you?
Because you get complacent.
(41:26):
You get complacent you.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's that you can never go home thing and and
that's that's where you reallycreate understanding as well.
Because, let's be real, you canonly fear something you don't
understand.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right, and that's just exactly our point here.
If you're not doing somethingthat scares you, where's the joy
in that If you've done itbefore?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, Been there, done that type of thing.
You have it's boring.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It's boring, you have to push the envelope.
And what is boring?
Well, a game consists offreedoms, boundaries and
purposes.
If you know all of theboundaries, it's no longer a
game.
But if you're pushing you'reconstantly pushing the
boundaries now it getsinteresting.
You know, I used to playracquetball with a friend of
mine.
It was like, oh, I will playracquetball.
(42:22):
And then he'd say, do you wantto make it interesting?
Do you care to make itinteresting?
Said, okay, let's, let's sayit's a hundred bucks.
I beat you in this, this gameof racquetball.
All of a sudden, that which wasboring, now there's some there,
there's some stakes in the game,there's, there's some skin in
the game and you're like, oh,this, all of a sudden, you'd say
(42:44):
, well, this got serious.
No, it didn't.
No, it didn't.
It became the spirit of playand that you're playing.
And the joy is is that you'replaying and that there are
consequences to this that you'reunaware of.
And now you've created a newgame.
I've got a hundred bucks ridingon this line.
I lost a couple hundred bucksto him, but it was.
(43:04):
It was the most fun and therewas no time, because, I mean,
when you play something likeracquetball, the speed of
particle flow is so freakinghigh that ball moves at such a
fast rate when it bounce offthat wall and you've got a track
where it's going, where you'reat, how you're going to hit it
so that that it does what youwant it to do.
(43:25):
How are you going to put them ata disadvantage?
Or you know it's something else, but it makes it interesting,
and to have joy it has to beinteresting, yeah, otherwise
it's just boring and you'refurther down the tone scale, so
you don't know what's going tohappen.
You can, you can picturemichelangelo doing, getting
(43:46):
ready to hit his chisel.
What's the marble gonna do,what's it not.
And that's the challenge tomake it look perfectly smooth, I
mean, and everything is scary,everything is scary, but that's
how you find joy.
You know, just like Teslasaying I have this theory, I
(44:06):
think that's what this is.
And then you know gigawatts ofpower.
Yes, yes, you know, I mean tobe a fly on the wall in those
situations, with those types Iknow.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I know it would be incredible and and the, and the
funny thing is.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The funny thing is, I would venture to say, they were
absolutely, completely alonewhen they were doing these
things in a, in a poorly litroom, in the room, you know
Michelangelo doing this becausethey didn't have electricity,
candlelight and Tesla.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
You know these bright forms of energy and all this
stuff in a dark room andeverything and the smile that
comes across their face andthey're like I knew it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I knew it, I knew I could do it, I knew I was right,
and you're always kind ofpushing that darkness off.
That's the thing with joy isyou're pushing the darkness off
to where there's more KRC andnow you've found something and
you've discovered a new law ofthe universe or a new
understanding of something thatyou could or couldn't do or you
(45:13):
could do better, and you havejoy.
Yep.
So I hope everybody's podcastand if you if you feel any joy
in these descriptions.
Do you know what?
What we're talking about?
And I'm sure you have, andyou've been there and you've
experienced that for yourself,and maybe we've broken it down a
(45:34):
little bit for you as to howsome of these concepts relate to
independent Scientology andDianetics.
And go have a perfectlytemperatured, steamy cup or cold
whatever of joy by putting thatjoy there and creating it
(45:54):
yourself, because nobody's gonnacreate joy for you, only you
can create joy in anything thatyou do.
It's your joy and only your joy.
It's a very personal thing,very personal, but it also can
communicate joy for other peopleand spur them on as well, if
(46:19):
you so choose to.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yes, I think.
Just remember that you can.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Right, it's always there.
It's not something that you buyat the store.
It's something you can createon your own.
At any given moment, you justhave to say okay, I'm going to.
We're not even going to use theword decide, just say I'm going
to, I'm going to Boom.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And, as crazy as it seems, this world is full of joy
if you look for it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
If you look for it, if you create it and you say
I'll buy that for a dollar, I'mgoing to do that.
You create it and you say I'llbuy that for a dollar, I'm gonna
do that.
So, for arthur and myself, wehope you've enjoyed this podcast
and maybe it'll make yourejoice a little bit in the
concept of joy and that it'salways with you.
You just have to start namaste,and we love you.
(47:15):
Bye-bye, bye-bye.
that's okay that's all right.
Hi and welcome to anotherscientology outside of the
church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 23.
I'm here with arthur mudakis.
Uh quentin is off, uh,traveling the world,
experiencing new things in, uhthailand, I think, so he's got
(00:24):
the day off.
So Arthur wanted to do apodcast on joy and I'm going to
let Arthur lead this one andI'll jump in where I can and
everything like that andsomething that he feels is
(00:45):
important, and I do too, andwe'll see where this heads.
So take it away, arthur.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, so this kind of started.
A few days ago I was caught upwith a friend and we were having
a coffee and he said to me hesaid to me he needs to
experience more joy.
And I thought about it.
I'm like joy, Okay, what doesjoy actually mean?
Like where does it happeninside of us?
(01:16):
And how do you know when you'reat joy?
Like how do you know?
So if I was to ask you, John,like if you were to tell me what
joy is according to you, whatwould it be?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Um, I'd want to say that that joy has a levity to it
.
Okay, um, you know where you.
You know you could say thatthat's where you're.
You're really keyed out aboutsomething that that indicates to
you, that makes you feel you'reon purpose of what it is that
(01:54):
you're doing and and I thinkthat that that's different,
obviously, for everyone as towhat, what it is that you're on
purpose for.
Lrh talks about that.
A person develops their purposesearly on in life, around two,
three years old, as to whattheir purposes are.
(02:15):
On mine, it was seeing my dadcome back with a Mark IV e-meter
and probably 20 differentfour-color pens wrapped in a
rubber band and these coursepacks in plastic blue exterior
(02:38):
with all of these green andred-typed bulletins and stuff on
them and the R6 God on thefront of fundamentals of thought
and everything.
And this was something that wascompletely, uh, I'd never seen
in the house before and I waslike two and a half, three,
three and a half years old and I, I, and then, you know, on top
(03:01):
of that, listening to theBeatles and the Yardbirds and
Seals and Cross and Jim Croceand Inigata DeVita, and got me
into drumming and I would askhim to put music on and I
thought you know, I want to be adrummer, want to be a drummer
(03:32):
and those two things, 54, 53years later, uh, are the things
that bring me the most joy in mylife?
Not, I mean drumming, probablymore consistently, because
that's just, that's somethingyou go, you go out and do,
whereas what I do with dynamicsand scientology is, um, it, it.
It brings me joy, notconsistently, because I'm I'm a
randomity person, and I thinkthat that's also one of the
(03:54):
things with joy is that, to thedegree that there's randomity in
it and it brings you into ptand keys you out, and the body
is not an impediment to what itis that you're doing, you have
joy because when you, you reallyhave joy, there's no effort,
because it's just a.
It's a, it's a create andyou're not thinking about the
(04:16):
vias, you just are doing it,you're putting it there.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's my take on it because okay,
because while we're discussingit um, you know, of course we're
talking about it I'm like Iwonder what this word actually
means.
So I'll look up the word and itsays a feeling of great
pleasure and happiness, a thingthat causes joy.
So so, as you were saying, thenthe drums cause joy for you
(04:43):
yeah yeah example, yeah, becauseit's a putting it there in in
time.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know, in real time, you have to manifest it,
you have to be and that's thething is like lrh talks about in
the the art series is is you're, you're, you're creating time
musically?
Well, you can create, you cancreate time with anything and
have joys, because when you're,when you're creating your own
time outside of you know, it'slike any.
(05:10):
Anything that you have joy with, it seems to me, is something
that you, you look at your watchone moment and you look at it
the next and it's four hourslater.
Yes, yeah, that's when joy ishappening.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, so, as we're looking up the definition um and
the word comes from from oldfrench um, and it actually means
rejoice.
So the derivation is to rejoice, which I found really
interesting, because in order torejoice something, you've got
(05:45):
to be very present with it andyou've actually got to recognize
that you're there in order toexperience joy.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, you have to be in present time.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah.
Or there's a sense of a well,yeah, to an individual level.
And then it was funny becauseI'm like, okay, rejoice, what's
rejoice?
And then it was funny becauseI'm like, okay, rejoice, what's
rejoice.
So we look at rejoice and itsays feel or show great joy or
delight, and then the derivationfor joy is experience joy.
(06:16):
So, on one hand, to rejoiceyou've got to be experiencing
joy, but then, in order torejoice, you've got to be aware
that you're in joy.
Yeah, so, instead of like anafterthought, what if joy became
the forethought, like like anactual intention?
(06:37):
I'm going to do this to enjoy it, because I'm not feeling joy
well and rejoicing somethingthat you're actually doing
intentionally, as opposed toreflecting and then saying oh, I
really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And you can experience joy and have never
done it before, because it'ssomething that you've newly
found, that you never knew thatyou could do or you could
experience.
Or you could experience or youcould manifest if you'll excuse
the term, um, yes, a newfoundtalent or some area in life that
you, you know, you'd neverexperienced before, like, uh, um
(07:18):
, you know, doing clay pots on apottery wheel or something like
that, where it's not somethingyou see every day, you don't get
around it Scuba diving andlearning how to do that, or
martial arts, or picking up amusical instrument you've always
admired, and getting to thepoint to where you can actually
(07:39):
play a small piece of music orsomething like that.
And then there you go and it'sjoy seems to come from
validation of ability, skill andcertainty.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, yes, and I think what I'm really enjoying about
this word at the moment,exploring it, because at the
same time my friend said he wasin the cold place.
So he described his situationas it was a cold place and
therefore that's why he neededjoy.
But because he was in such acold place emotionally, he was
(08:15):
unable to see joy when itappeared or experience joy or
intention joy which I foundreally interesting as well.
And then it got me thinkingit's like okay, so in, in
moments of those kinds ofsituations where you're feeling
joyless, you know you're flat,um, you've got some stuff going
(08:36):
on in life you know how do youfocus towards bringing some joy
in, in those moments ofespecially like, let's say,
you're in despair, for example,you know, bringing some joy in
just to even lighten some ofthat cold feeling or some of
(08:57):
that cold place, as my frienddescribed it, which I thought
was a really nice way ofpresenting it too.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it's a rare thing, unless you have to start
somewhere and you have to findsomething that you enjoy doing,
whether it's a hobby.
Some people get joy out ofworking hard and busting their
ass eight, 12 hours a day, andthey get joy from that because,
(09:26):
like LRH says, production is thebasis of morale, and that is an
inherent part of joy is thatyou feel that you've produced
something of merit, by your ownestimation and to the degree
that you feel good aboutwhatever it is that you do,
whether you're trying to get aproduct or the product itself,
(09:48):
and I think it's important tonote that the product itself is
just sometimes just joy periodwell, you were saying before we
started this that you got someideas coming up um that as you
were speaking about.
You're actually quite lifted bytalking about it yeah, well, I
(10:08):
mean, and that's you know,that's a shareable or not.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Just yet we've talked .
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We've talked about it in other podcasts, but it's
it's.
You know it has to do with aiand applying the tech and, uh,
getting it out there for otherpeople that they can use things
with the help of anon-quote-unquote sentient
system to get a desired resultfrom either auditing or word
clearing.
(10:36):
And applying the tech thatsomebody can use around the
clock on their phone or theirtablet or their computer and
find some joy in the tech byapplying the tech and get a
better understanding of it andapply that to life and then find
more joy, because that's what,you know, the subject of
Dianetics and Scientology aboutis being cause over life and
(11:02):
having the ability to do thethings that you want to do and
not holding yourself back inareas that cause you joy.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Joy is hard to find in life without something like
scientology and I think thething that struck me the most
with this word was the umderivation of rejoicing, because
you, that is cause, that's youbeing in cause.
You know you're actuallycausing this to happen, rather
(11:31):
than this thing happening to younow.
I'm not saying, like you saidbefore, that you can have an
experience and then, uponreflection, think, oh my god,
that was great, I've reallyenjoyed doing that.
Um, but being at cause willproduce more of these joy
moments, I believe.
Yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You're there, you're being present, you're in that
time while it's occurring um,yeah, you are, because you you
can't be in present time andcreate something, something
positive, other than doingrecall, processes of pleasure,
moments and stuff like that.
But being in present time andcreating your own time, no
(12:14):
matter what it is, is whatcauses joy, because you're being
creative in some way.
I don't care what it is, if youenjoy it, you're being there
and you're being creative insome way.
I don't care what it is, if youenjoy it, you're being there
and you're being comfortable andyou're getting something out of
it because it is something thatmakes you feel absolutely
(12:37):
present.
When I used to play video gamesas a kid on my Atari 800
computer video games as a kid onmy atari 800 computer I would,
I would get so in present timeand I would enjoy these games
that I would be playing thatwhen I got off of the computer
the lights were flickeringbecause I was so much in present
time.
I could see the cycles of thelight going on and off, because
(13:01):
it doesn't just stay on, it'sgoing on and off and cycles.
That's how in present time Iwas.
And then, when I started,started playing drums and
messing more around with time ina different way and creating
time.
It got to be even more so and,um, jamie font.
Jamie font was my, my uh musicscientology bridge music teacher
(13:25):
and he talks about this atlength, about the magic carpet
ride of being in a band and howit's.
It is so joyful that becauseyou're making this magic carpet
of this self, created throughfour or five, six individuals in
time, where you're making yourown time and you have no
(13:46):
attention on making your owntime because you don't have to
think about it, musicianshipwise, you just do it and you're
all on the same page riding thismagic carpet ride, where you're
all pushing this thing out intothe future through
improvisation or a certain song.
And you know, there's to methat particular aspect of joy.
(14:09):
The only place that I've everexperienced that amount of joy
was in that type of a situationbecause there was this yeah, arc
, I mean, you're a musician, youknow what I'm talking about
yeah, I totally understand whatyou're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And then you're right , it's completely timeless and
there's like this unanimousenergy that occurs where
everybody is there, like they'rethere yeah, I don't know how
else to explain it and andyou're so there, there's nothing
there.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, you're just like in this it's, it's, it's
incredible, it's an incrediblefeeling yeah, yeah, you're just,
you know, you're looking eachother in the eye and you got the
.
You know the guitar player, thebass players looking at the
drummer, you know the keyboardplayers looking, and and you're
all, just, you know, justfloating, creating this thing
just become one.
(15:02):
yeah, you just just just becomeone and you know where
everybody's going and whateversomebody does isn't something
that's unexpected, because youknow, that's the serenity of
beingness in a form of actionand aesthetics, and that is to
me, in what I've experienced inlife joy in the creation of time
(15:26):
.
And you can do I'm sure you cando it with other things but
it's the most palpable to me.
In expressing how to rejoice,there's a feeling you know how
you go to.
I mean, when I hear the wordrejoice, I immediately get where
there's and it's too bad,quentin's not here, but where
you're in a Southern Baptistchurch and the minister is up
(15:53):
there and he's saying somethingand I don't care whether it's
Scientology or whatever religionit is, but he's saying
something that resonates withpeople and it's an as-is-ness
that occurs, because it's thesame thing with music.
It's an as-is-ness that occursand people are like amen, amen,
(16:15):
you know, you've got the choirback there and they're in
enthusiasm and they're singingthis beautiful a cappella music
and everything, and everybody'sclapping and the whole goddamn
church might as well be floatingoff the ground in rejoicing in
this, as is this truth.
That's right.
That's right.
(16:35):
That's what joy is.
Is.
It's this personal or sharedtruth between one or more
individuals, and when you getthere, you are untouchable,
bulletproof, yes, and in thissociety it is so difficult to
find and manifest that on aconstant basis, because of all
(16:59):
of the things that aredistracting and pulling you in
one direction or another oranything.
And it's something that youhave to have in life in order to
it's sort of like, and so it'swell, what's it all for?
What's it worth?
Their napathy.
And then you get them to apoint of joy and you remind them
(17:20):
of it and they go oh, that'swhat this is for.
You remind them of it and theygo oh, that's what this is for.
That's what this is for Is thatI have to, once I revel in my
sweet spot of joy, whatever itis.
Now you go okay, this is thepoint of having a body in the
physical universe and goingthrough all the things that you
(17:40):
have, and then you go.
This is pretty freaking cool.
This is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's magical.
Yeah, it's pure magic.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And it's different for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And you have to have that regularly in order to
validate all of the otheridiosyncrasies and stops and
counterintention and and all ofthat stuff and and to the degree
that you do is to the degreethat everything else flows a lot
(18:16):
, a lot better.
You know, just 20 minutes, 30minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Do you find um?
Yeah, even just a few minutes,if you can fall into that space.
Yeah, minutes.
Do you find um?
Yeah, even just a few minutes,if you can fall into that space.
Yeah, do you find um.
When you experience joy in thatway, with such intensity?
Um, that's when you really feelalive, yeah, yeah, and then,
and that's it all your pains goaway, right, or you forget
(18:43):
everything.
You're just there, like you'rethere.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, you're reveling in the moment.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Completely naked, yeah, yeah, completely naked.
Physically, emotionally,spiritually, you're just
completely naked and your bodyis just in a flow, a timeless
flow.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, and I think that that's a big component
We've mentioned it a couple oftimes is that there's this
timelessness, and thattimelessness is your Thetan.
You don't have a goddamn thingto do with time, nothing,
because in the Thetan universethere is no time, and it reminds
(19:26):
you of the fact that you areimbuing yourself into something
that forces you to say there istime, there is waiting, there is
length, there is arduousnessand all of this stuff, and
you're going to have to wait onthis linear thing where joy is
(19:47):
nonlinear.
It is just that it is and thatit's a subtle reminder to me of
self.
This is who I am and what I canmanifest and I can create.
That is on my wavelength, that,that that's my thing, whatever
(20:08):
that thing is, or things ifyou're lucky enough to have
several things that bring youjoy, whether they're in the
physical universe or not, youknow, it might be just
gallivanting around, goingexterior and looking at things.
Or, uh, you know, it brings mejoy to walk amongst, walk
amongst the trees in a quietforest.
(20:28):
Yes, I don't know why that is,but it does.
Uh, you know, beautiful sunsetscan bring you joy.
Uh, you know, sitting sittingon a beach watching the waves
come in, just these little,these little things.
Even though they're in thephysical universe, they can
(20:49):
bring you joy.
Because what is it thatmanufactures joy?
You do, what is it thatmanufactures it?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And that's my point.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, that's my point .
We have to create it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, it's a self-created truth, yeah, and
that's all that it is.
It's just that you need somesort of a catalyst.
I mean in a physical universesense, it's the best way to
pop-start the satanic car is youhave to find something that
(21:22):
brings you joy, and the morethat you do that, the more
things.
It gives you more reason tocarry on to bring yourself to
that.
Or, if you're lucky enough tohave something that brings you
joy every day, if you don't havesomething that brings you joy
every day, you might want toreconsider doing something that
does instead of a nine to fivejob or whatever that is.
(21:43):
But it's, it's a.
It's a, it's a form of ARC,it's a universal constant that
everything thrives off of.
That drives them forward in auniverse that is so contrary to
that which they are.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, and it's.
And it's interesting becausewhen I first saw the derivation
and it said rejoice, straightaway my mind went to religious
philosophies, because you know,you're always hearing, you know
that rejoicing god, thatrejoicing all these, all these
things, um, and interestingly,as we're talking about joy, I'm
(22:23):
starting to realize howappropriate that kind of is,
because it does become aspiritual experience using
physical things yeah, well, it's, it's, it's a, it's a spirit
observing physical things.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
It just brings your spirit through yeah and that's
or phaeton through yeah, yeah, Imean you, you're, you're,
you're manifesting what, whatthat feeling is.
It gives it gives you joybecause it's something that
indicates to you that is eitheraesthetic or fun or is something
(23:02):
that your nature is about, thatyou are, and it says, hey, yeah
, this is, this is, this is me,this is, this is my thing.
Whatever that thing is, if it'sin the physical universe, or if
it's maybe just just reading,reading something in dianetics
or scientology or or the dao orthe bible, or you know, I mean
(23:23):
you know and I mean you know,and that's that's one of the one
of the reasons why I thinkreligion is so popular is it
gives people something to, thatindicates, that gets them to a
point of joy.
It's, it's the best way, it'sthe, the thing that resonates
with them, that articulates forthem that they duplicate and
they go oh, yeah, yeah, this isthe way.
(23:47):
Whatever that thing is and thispodcast isn't an advertisement
for any one thing but if it isit's that you need to have as
much joy in your life.
Have as much joy in your life,whether it's something creative
or something productive, becausedifferent people get joy out of
(24:14):
different things.
Some people get joy out ofrescuing animals and helping
them and finding new homes forthem, or people like having
plants and having a greenhouseand taking care of these plants
and watching them come from thistiny little seed to this
amazing looking plant or orwhatever you know brings me joy
to look at new, new ways to geta get across the concepts and
(24:36):
dianetics and scientology thatmakes it easier for people to
see that it works and and getsomething done for them.
That if it brings me joy tobring joy to other people,
that's, that's that's one of theprimary things for me.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, in a on a third dynamic sense do you think
, um, maybe, just as we'retalking, like I'm just thinking
all sorts of different thingsaround the ARC triangle and
getting to the point ofunderstanding, do you think
maybe those moments of pure joyis the peak of ARC?
(25:18):
To complete understanding whereit becomes completely timeless.
To complete understanding whereit becomes completely timeless.
Um, and I'm I mean that outsideof a mechanical aspect, but on
a personal level, that truesense of complete understanding
in the moment, which iscompletely thoughtless and it's
completely in that moment withsuch intensity yeah it, it can't
(25:45):
be questioned, it can't be umtaken away, it can't be
disturbed.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's, it's complete understanding, without any logic
attached to it at all, becauseit's literally in the moment
well, in other words, it's, it's, it's in intransitory, you know
, I mean it just floats like wewere talking about.
It's that sort of that, thatmagic carpet ride where you have
(26:11):
complete arc for it.
But you know, the two trianglesdo coexist and you've got
knowledge, responsibility andcontrol and power.
And when you have those twothings together, well then you
do have that timelessness aspectof it.
With professionals, they makesomething look easy because
(26:34):
they're not thinking about it,because they have complete
understanding.
They have complete knowledge ofhow they hold the paintbrush or
how they hold the drumstick orhow they play the.
You know the guitar and stufflike that.
There was a.
There was a is a funny storyback in the early late seventies
(26:55):
or early eighties where the,the rock group Van Halen, was
someplace playing a gig and,gosh, what's his name?
Ted Nugent came, came behindbackstage and stuff like that,
and he said to Eddie you know,hey, can I go over and play your
rig?
And and?
(27:18):
And Eddie said, yeah, go ahead.
And they fired it up andeverything like that, and he
thought he was going to go outthere and sound like eddie van
halen.
And he went out there and hesounded, sounded like ted nugent
on on eddie van halen's guitarbecause there's a, there's a,
there's a different mode, thatthe way the person plays a
particular instrument,regardless of all of the
(27:41):
electronics, regardless of this,it's not going to sound like
that person.
There's different hands,there's different approaches,
there's the different krc.
For that, that axe axe, as wesay in the, in music, whatever
the tools are is becausewhatever the tool is is, it's
not just that it's a tool, it'stheir tool, it's their mode of
(28:07):
communication through it.
And nobody writes like LRH.
If you've ever read BattlefieldEarth or you've read the
Mission Earth series, I meanthere isn't a sci-fi book out
there that is written in abetter way.
And any pro auditor publishedscience fiction author will go
yeah, I wish I could write likethat, because that's ARC and KRC
(28:32):
working together.
And that's the beauty of athetan is we all have abilities
that other thetans don't have,because we have our own
copyrighted version of arc andkrc, with the thing that brings
us joy and that joy proves outjust because it's effortless,
(28:56):
because you don't have to thinkabout it, you know.
I mean you, you look at these,these pieces of marble that the
guys during the renaissanceperiod and, and you look at it
and you would swear it is aperson with this fabric over
them, and how I mean?
You look at AI and you go, ohwell, that's AI, Because it
(29:18):
doesn't look right to the eye.
But you look at these pieces ofmarble and what they had to do
to the eye.
But you look at these pieces ofmarble and what they had to do,
what they had to do with thechisel to make it that smooth
and make it look like it's theactual person, with this flowing
fabric in the robes andeverything, and you just go how
(29:39):
is that possible?
How is that?
I mean, it's, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, what's incredible about that is just
the joy the observation of thatcreation can bring exactly,
exactly just by looking at ityeah it flows on.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's incredible yeah, they're perfect examples of
almost a mirror image of the joythat was put into it,
reflecting back on you.
And it was, and you get that itwas done on purpose because,
like lrh says, art is acommunication and to the degree
(30:17):
that it communicates is to thedegree that it causes that joy.
We've all heard, we've allheard music, we've all all seen
pieces of art or, like we said,the sunset or whatever that
cause us to have this sense ofjoy, because it is just
absolutely perfect in every waythe gradients of colors, the
(30:41):
streaks of light coming through.
You know, whatever I mean, it'severywhere.
But the thing is, is that it?
That didn't I mean?
Naturally it occurs, but eventhen, still, you look at the
physical universe and as much asa concatenation of things, it's
a marvel that you can.
You can look at jupiter, youlook at saturn or something like
(31:03):
that, and you go I mean, lookat that, look at Jupiter.
You look at Saturn or somethinglike that, and you go, I mean,
look at that, look at thoseswirls, look at how all this
stuff functions and theinterplay between it, to the
point to where, once youunderstand it, you can recreate
that stuff yourself with someother medium.
Now we're cooking with gas.
(31:25):
Now we're talking about the joyof joys.
Whatever it is, it doesn'tmatter, but that's what gets a
thetan off.
Is that joy?
It isn't something that's outthere, it is something that is
in you and to the degree thatyou can do that and you revel in
(31:46):
it, and you end upcommunicating it to somebody
else almost inadvertently,because it just mirrors.
It's a perfect mirror of thatand you've got to have that.
You've got to find something,and I don't know anybody that
hasn't experienced it themselvesin creating it themselves.
(32:06):
That's what's important lettingpeople, they can do it yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And not only is it timeless, but it's also wordless
.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's what's impressive about it it's a, it's
a, it's a complete concept.
You, you look at these, these,yeah, marble figures and you
just go yeah, you know, and youcome out with the dumbest things
.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
How did they do that?
What tools did they use?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like.
It's like the moment you'vebeen floored with this
incredible aweness of thisexperience and just viewing
these things.
Then the logic brain comes in.
You know, how did they do that?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
How could I?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
do that?
How did they do that?
Where would I begin?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, which is a compliment in itself, because
it's so incredible.
There's a mystery around itthat you're trying to understand
and work out how this happened.
How did this happen?
How did this thing get createdthe way it did?
(33:19):
It's a thing, it's a piece ofrock that a man man has put his
touch to, but not only has heput his touch to it, he's put
his spirit to it too, absolutely, and it just molded this
incredible creation, yeah, thatanybody could could observe and
just be in the same, or that hewas in while he created and
(33:39):
completed it yeah or she youknow it's that, it's that
quality where you can't sleep atnight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You're so excited about this thing that that gives
you joy to do.
You know, like, oh god, I gottalet the body, I gotta let the
body sleep.
What a, what a interruptionthis is.
I want to, and you know,sometimes you can stay up all
night.
Uh, I'll give you an example.
I've never done it before sincewhen I read Jurassic Park back
in 1991.
(34:08):
Michael Crichton, the lateMichael Crichton.
I couldn't put the book down.
I've never even done that withan LRH book.
I couldn't put the book down.
It gave me so much joy thatthis universe had been created
and was was.
So I just where what is goingto happen next?
(34:31):
Where is this going to go?
I stayed up all night to finishthe book and I was reading so
fast I'm a fast reader anyway Imean, you know, you almost, you
almost want to put it down.
And you know, because you don'twant to ruin it, because you
know that it's going to come toan end, type of a thing.
There's this joy in this storybecause there's going to be an
(34:53):
end to it.
It can't go on forever, can it?
But a lot of his books werethat way about technology and
things like that, and that's aninteresting component of joy.
Is that the body.
You sort of just say I don'tneed to sleep, I'm going to keep
doing this and people work onprojects for days because
(35:14):
they're so compelled by the joythat it gives them and this
timelessness that the body justfalls to the wayside.
I mean, that's really cool whenit does happen.
It doesn't happen often, butyou should really revel in that
sort of a thing and know you'redefinitely in the area when you
have something like that thatbrings you joy.
(35:34):
But it's also interesting tonote that when you're
experiencing joy, it's almost asif you're uncovering a mystery,
something you don't know about,and you're trying to take it in
and you're trying to get asmuch information about it as
(35:56):
possible.
You picture Nikolai Teslaworking in his lab in the middle
of the night doing this thingso there's nobody else around
and you can hear the cricketsoutside and and he and he's he's
finding these things out onyour you're on this magic carpet
ride that he had to because ofthe discoveries that he's making
(36:17):
.
Joy and discovery go hand inhand because you're, you're
getting this krRC for something.
So KRC drives joy.
And then you never, ever forgetit.
If I said, recall a time thatbrought you ultimate joy this
lifetime, there's KRC knowledge,responsibility and control.
(36:38):
Knowledge, the understanding,the ability to know it inside
and out, backwards and forwards,and to discover things that you
didn't know before, are whatdrives joy.
You learn a skill, you learn adatum or datums or skills, and
then you're like I have a hunch,will this prove out?
(36:59):
And when he found out that hecould transmit power through the
quote unquote ether, yes, canyou imagine?
Can you imagine the elation andthe joy, how that felt for
Tesla that he could do thesethings, you know, even if he was
blowing up power stations incolorado by accident, it, it, it
(37:27):
proved his point that, by god,these theories work.
You know the three, six, ninething and all this stuff.
You can only imagine how muchjoy that would bring a person,
because it's a joy, is avalidation.
It's a validation.
Quentin really should be here.
(37:47):
He would really, he reallyshould go off with it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, we miss you, but that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It's a validation.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There is another side and you know, as my friend was
saying, you know he was in thecold place.
Yeah, this is the part of joythat makes it really difficult
for us.
In this time zone and era, it'sreally easy to lose joy too.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's really easy to forget that you can experience
joy.
It's really easy to drift frombeing joyous.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, and you have to take.
I mean LRH mentions being in apush-button society.
If we're not in a push-buttonsociety, I don't know what we're
in.
We quite literally are in apush-button society.
If we're not in a push-buttonsociety, I don't know what we're
in.
We quite literally are in apush-button society.
And if everything is done foryou oh, I'm going to order Uber
Eats or oh, I'm going to do this, or oh, I'm going to do that it
(38:51):
becomes a littletwo-dimensional and joy is four
or two-dimensional, and joy isfour or five-dimensional because
it deals with the thetan andthe thetan's interaction with
the theta universe.
As to, well, serenity ofbeingness is, well, it's called
the no to mystery scale.
(39:12):
So when somebody is in joy,well, guess what they're in
serenity of beingness, that'rein serenity of beingness.
That's what serenity ofbeingness is is total arc and
total krc.
And that takes doing, notsomething, doing it for you, and
and you have to find what it isfor you, that, that, what, what
(39:35):
requirements need to be met,what you need to, and discovery
as well, is part of joy.
What can I do?
What?
What can I do?
How can I do it?
What do I need to do?
Is there's a particular way.
I need to hold the sticks, ordo I?
Do I need to do cardio in orderto pull off what it is that I
(39:56):
want to pull off?
It occurred to me that why domusical bands, why do they slow
down as they get older?
Well, their body is animpediment to them, because
their circulatory system isgetting older Unless you're Mick
(40:16):
Jagger.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, he has a machine.
Yeah, yeah, he is a machine.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I mean, you know there are, there are, there are
exceptions, but I mean you knowthe the body is something.
Sometimes you have to practiceto practice.
You know Neil Peart in rush he,he used to go out and uh, ride
his, his 10 speed bike acrossafrica, or go out on a boat and
and and uh, you know these thesethin ore boats to get his
(40:42):
cardio up and everything likethat, to be able to to play
tempos for two or three hours anight, song after song after
song.
And you have to, you have topush yourself and then you start
going, yeah, shit, I can, I cando this.
And you're training, you'repracticing to practice.
And then, as you do that, youget this joy out of practicing
(41:04):
to practice.
And now you know it so well,it's effortless and you can go
out and do that.
Anybody can do that sort of athing.
But you have to push yourselfand I think it's important to
find joy continually in life.
You have to do what scares you?
Because you get complacent.
(41:26):
You get complacent you.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's that you can never go home thing and and
that's that's where you reallycreate understanding as well.
Because, let's be real, you canonly fear something you don't
understand.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right, and that's just exactly our point here.
If you're not doing somethingthat scares you, where's the joy
in that If you've done itbefore?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, Been there, done that type of thing.
You have it's boring.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It's boring, you have to push the envelope.
And what is boring?
Well, a game consists offreedoms, boundaries and
purposes.
If you know all of theboundaries, it's no longer a
game.
But if you're pushing you'reconstantly pushing the
boundaries now it getsinteresting.
You know, I used to playracquetball with a friend of
mine.
It was like, oh, I will playracquetball.
(42:22):
And then he'd say, do you wantto make it interesting?
Do you care to make itinteresting?
Said, okay, let's, let's sayit's a hundred bucks.
I beat you in this, this gameof racquetball.
All of a sudden, that which wasboring, now there's some there,
there's some stakes in the game,there's, there's some skin in
the game and you're like, oh,this, all of a sudden, you'd say
(42:44):
, well, this got serious.
No, it didn't.
No, it didn't.
It became the spirit of playand that you're playing.
And the joy is is that you'replaying and that there are
consequences to this that you'reunaware of.
And now you've created a newgame.
I've got a hundred bucks ridingon this line.
I lost a couple hundred bucksto him, but it was.
(43:04):
It was the most fun and therewas no time, because, I mean,
when you play something likeracquetball, the speed of
particle flow is so freakinghigh that ball moves at such a
fast rate when it bounce offthat wall and you've got a track
where it's going, where you'reat, how you're going to hit it
so that that it does what youwant it to do.
(43:25):
How are you going to put them ata disadvantage?
Or you know it's something else, but it makes it interesting,
and to have joy it has to beinteresting, yeah, otherwise
it's just boring and you'refurther down the tone scale, so
you don't know what's going tohappen.
You can, you can picturemichelangelo doing, getting
(43:46):
ready to hit his chisel.
What's the marble gonna do,what's it not.
And that's the challenge tomake it look perfectly smooth, I
mean, and everything is scary,everything is scary, but that's
how you find joy.
You know, just like Teslasaying I have this theory, I
(44:06):
think that's what this is.
And then you know gigawatts ofpower.
Yes, yes, you know, I mean tobe a fly on the wall in those
situations, with those types Iknow.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I know it would be incredible and and the, and the
funny thing is.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The funny thing is, I would venture to say, they were
absolutely, completely alonewhen they were doing these
things in a, in a poorly litroom, in the room, you know
Michelangelo doing this becausethey didn't have electricity,
candlelight and Tesla.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
You know these bright forms of energy and all this
stuff in a dark room andeverything and the smile that
comes across their face andthey're like I knew it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I knew it, I knew I could do it, I knew I was right,
and you're always kind ofpushing that darkness off.
That's the thing with joy isyou're pushing the darkness off
to where there's more KRC andnow you've found something and
you've discovered a new law ofthe universe or a new
understanding of something thatyou could or couldn't do or you
(45:13):
could do better, and you havejoy.
Yep.
So I hope everybody's podcastand if you if you feel any joy
in these descriptions.
Do you know what?
What we're talking about?
And I'm sure you have, andyou've been there and you've
experienced that for yourself,and maybe we've broken it down a
(45:34):
little bit for you as to howsome of these concepts relate to
independent Scientology andDianetics.
And go have a perfectlytemperatured, steamy cup or cold
whatever of joy by putting thatjoy there and creating it
(45:54):
yourself, because nobody's gonnacreate joy for you, only you
can create joy in anything thatyou do.
It's your joy and only your joy.
It's a very personal thing,very personal, but it also can
communicate joy for other peopleand spur them on as well, if
(46:19):
you so choose to.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yes, I think.
Just remember that you can.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Right, it's always there.
It's not something that you buyat the store.
It's something you can createon your own.
At any given moment, you justhave to say okay, I'm going to.
We're not even going to use theword decide, just say I'm going
to, I'm going to Boom.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And, as crazy as it seems, this world is full of joy
if you look for it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
If you look for it, if you create it and you say
I'll buy that for a dollar, I'mgoing to do that.
You create it and you say I'llbuy that for a dollar, I'm gonna
do that.
So, for arthur and myself, wehope you've enjoyed this podcast
and maybe it'll make yourejoice a little bit in the
concept of joy and that it'salways with you.
You just have to start namaste,and we love you.
(47:15):
Bye-bye, bye-bye.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!