February 27, 2025 • 55 mins
We dive head-first into the intriguing topic of ‘the end of the world’ and examine it through the lens of independent Scientology. Our discussion navigates the complexities of how crises shape our understanding of existence and communication. We unpack the nuanced relationship between knowledge, authority, and perception—particularly as societal structures and technologies evolve rapidly.
Throughout the episode, our hosts facilitate a rich dialogue that emphasizes the importance of conscious awareness and critical thinking in navigating turbulent times. By exploring concepts of impending change and the inherent challenges of living in an information-saturated era, we offer a fresh perspective on potentially alarming predictions. Rather than succumbing to despair, we present the opportunity for realization, adaptation, and spiritual growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everyone, welcome to another AOGP Scientology
Outside of the Church podcastbrought to you by the Advanced
Org of the Great Plains and theCollege of Independent
Scientologycom.
Aogp is AO-GPorg for those whodon't know, and this is a
podcast about independentScientology and independent
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Scientologists' viewpoints onthe world current events, the
topic of independent Scientologyand Dianetics.
This is Season 10, episode 24.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand Arthur Mudakis on the
continent of Australia and thecontinent of Asia, with Quentin
(00:44):
and me, and the continent ofAfrica.
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I wanted to turn it over to Quentin, who came up
with a podcast idea, and wegenerally tend to jam if you
will, if you use a musicalanalog on things pretty well
when one of us has an idea andwe just kind of jam with it and
roll with it and it goes in somepretty cool directions.
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So Quentin had the idea of takeit away.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Quentin, if the world was ending or the end of the
world, and what is theindependent Scientologist's
viewpoint on the end of theworld?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
That's a good question.
Yeah.
Arthur you want to play abaseline?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I'm going to say that the intention would be
to maximize the most of yourexistence here while you're here
in this vessel that would bewhat I would say Scientology
would aim towards but then alsoto secure a healthier future
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ongoing as far as you know,becoming operating Phaeton,
where you can choose whathappens after you drop this body
and move into the next phase ofexistence, whatever that might
be.
You know that would includewhatever technologies are around
at the time.
If we don't destroy ourtechnologies to get to the end
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of the world, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And I know we've mentioned this in earlier
podcasts, but this might be anunderpinning and I find it very
relative to Quentin's idea, forthe idea of the podcast.
This is from the PhiladelphiaDoctorate Course Lectures, arc
Cycles and Automaticity.
(02:47):
This is a couple paragraphs, sobear with me, guys.
He says we wouldn't have aghost of a chance right now
unless Homo sapiens actually hadslugged up from the mud to a
point where he had a littleleisure time.
We happen to be going through aperiod when man has made
himself relatively free by theuse of the machine, just after a
period when he was terriblyenslaved by the machine the
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early days of industrialism, andjust before the machine is
employed for his utterenslavement.
The reason you've gotscientology is, to a large
degree, right here.
There's a little breathingperiod on earth.
This is 1952.
This is uh what 72 years ago.
You've seen those curtains.
He says sorry, I lost my place.
(03:30):
I don't know how many years itis from here to the other, but
you've already seen the slaverystate start with Hiroshima.
It became dangerous forknowledge to be disseminated.
It became terribly important tothem to shut all the boundaries
on knowledge.
You've seen those curtainsshutting down.
Those are the shades of nightfalling.
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The whole nonsense of thoughtpolice is moving right straight
in the shades of night.
We've got a very short time.
It isn't the destruction ofcivilization by the atomic bomb,
it's quote let's shut down thecommunication lines of knowledge
here for a brief moment.
We have them free and open.
There's a tremendous urgency.
Against that.
It is real.
It is going to happen here onEarth 72 years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wow, that's exactly what's kind of going on, isn't
it?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, that's pretty full on.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, if you look at what's going on in the United
States with these presidentialexecutive orders and yeah, it's
getting pretty scary there wasone signed the other day that
basically said laid it out that,and again, I'm not a political
person Either way.
I'm not a Republican orDemocrat or independent or
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anything like that I stay out ofpolitics.
But this executive order saidthat what the president says and
the Department of Justice saysis the way that it goes and
their interpretation is the ruleof law.
Especially with the RepublicanCongress.
There's nothing stopping this.
So we're running back intoalmost a feudalistic,
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oligarchical society in theUnited States and yeah, that's
not good, especially when youhave to have democracy.
So that's something to take intoconsideration as well.
Just briefly, but more soimportantly, the shades of night
With the advent of AI, with theadvent of robotics, with the
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advent of a kill switch on theinternet, with the advent of
false information on theinternet.
On and on and on.
This isn't a doom and gloompodcast, but this is some of the
underpinnings that we'redealing with here.
So, quentin, what does thatquote lend to you for your
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podcast topic?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, it's interesting because I mean, when
I think about it from ascienceological perspective, you
know, when LA talks about theshutdown of communication, of
knowledge, you know, and how,that the end of the world is not
like atomic bombs andexplosions and you know
volcanoes erupting all acrossthe, you know, whatever Like
(06:13):
it's actually more like the waythis all kind of unfolds is that
we stop communicating from anintelligent, in an intelligent
way, and we stop operating fromthat kind of perspective, and so
that really is interesting tome, that the decrease of
intelligence is the beginning ofthe end.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Mm-hmm, yep, and there's a lot of information out
there.
David Icke has some TikTokvideos.
He's got a channel and severalpeople have his stuff on TikTok
and they're pretty long snippetswhere he talks about this.
(07:00):
If you're the people in charge,not just governmentally, not
just banking-wise, but you'rethe people in charge running
this prison planet, you don'twant critical thinkers, you
don't want educated people.
So what you do is you don'teducate them, you just make them
able to perform a function,paying interest, working a
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nine-to-five job.
You don't give them out becauseyou don't want to create any
competition or enemies, andthat's something that needs to
be taken into consideration.
When you look at what'shappened to Scientology, as far
as the subject itself beingattacked and being looked at
from a reactive mind viewpointof A equals A equals A that the
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subject is the corporate churchand the church has been fully,
fully taken over and theinformation has been altered.
So all you have left is thesubject and anybody willing to
disseminate that subject the wayLRH originally intended it.
So that's something to takeinto consideration as well.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, and I think it's also as well the way a lot
of these things are written,because it's not just
Scientology that predicts this.
There are so many otherphilosophies that also predict
the end of the world, and I'mcurious in the sense, because
the world versus the earth aretwo different things.
So is it the world as weunderstand it now and, uh, have
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reached this point where we'reso comfortable, um, in the way
we are?
Does that mean the end of humanexistence?
Or does it mean, um, the Idon't know the society we have
now?
Is it going to shift sodramatically it will become the
end of the world as we know itor as we currently understand it
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, because the Earth itself isdifferent to the world as such.
We create the world on top ofthe Earth.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, that's true.
I mean you have the planetitself with an atmosphere and
the, the biome that exists on it.
But, um, you know the theoutlook right now from a lot, a
lot of uh, digital pundits, uh,is that we are going to see, in
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the next six years, an increaseof magnitude 25 or better years
in six years at a minimum,technologically and when you
look at the shades of night andthe technology of this, just
because it's on the internetdoesn't make it true.
(09:45):
Well, take that and multiply itway out there, and what
information can be manipulatedand what you're being told, what
you're seeing, you know.
I mean, you look at these deepfakes that AI can do in video
and everything like that.
You wouldn't know thedifference with some of the
capabilities with AI, and youhave to be aware of these things
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and know what you're seeing istrue.
I mean, it comes down to theverbal tech checklist Did the
person that write it have theauthority to write it?
Basically, did they have theauthority to create the video?
Is it real, is it a real source, that type of thing?
And that's that's.
The real question is, is whatis what I'm seeing, what I'm
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reading, what I'm hearing?
Is it the real thing?
Because you can recreate lrh'svoice and you can start putting
lectures out there and make himsay things he didn't say, as an
example, or trump, or, uh,anybody else of any authority,
putin.
So that's, that's somethingthat we need to be wary of.
(10:53):
But the thing I think that thepositive thing is is that we do
have the tools and that they canbe used, and it is something
that you should run up thebridge, not not walk, not tarry.
You should get there as soon aspossible, because it's there
for a fraction of the price, andthe price is the time that you
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have left, whether it's the endof your world in the body you're
in, or whether it's the end ofthe world as we know it the end
of the world as we know it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
The end of the world as we know it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, because we're looking at six years from now.
You could have robot cars,robots in your house.
You could be dealing with anynumber of things.
I mean, you saw how differenthas the world changed with the
advent of just something sosmall as a smartphone, as an
example.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's an example the world has changed fundamentally
because of it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And Art brings up a good point that just because the
world is ending or the waythings were is ending, doesn't
necessarily mean that the earthis ending right.
And so you know, are we runningin terror of that?
And I think LRH hit this spoton too.
It is not about, you know,nuclear bombs dropping on your
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head.
It's more about, like, what'sgoing on in your head.
It's like what inches into yourhead that really kind of makes
all the difference.
What inches into your head,that really kind of makes all
the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right.
The sources that allow you tothink a certain way or force you
to think a certain way, is theknowledge.
What knowledge are you gettingand is it the correct
information?
That's the biggest thing to me.
Does the knowledge still exist?
Are you being given thatknowledge?
Are you being given somethingthat's completely different to
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get you to respond a certain way?
And typically it's problemreaction solution, the powers
that be cause a problem, to getyou to react a certain way in
order for them to pose thesolution that they want you to
go into.
It's not much different frombeing a sheep and being herded
by a sheepdog.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And I think as well, like even participating in those
games, even emotionally ormentally, will create the agenda
behind it as well.
And I don't like to use theword agenda, but, um, you know,
the more we buy into these,these things fake and like even
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just just taking the energy tosee if something is fake or if
it's verified, that's anenormous amount of energy that
you're putting towards somethingthat's potentially fake.
And if we look at what's realin this earth, what is real?
Like are all these conceptseven real?
You know, they're just.
They're just games.
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So, you know, if enough of usstep out of the game, is that
enough to continue our existence?
And by not playing the gamemeans not putting your attention
towards it, because the moreattention you put towards it,
the more you're creating of it.
You know we're talking aboutthis as a concept now and while
we're talking about it, we'reactually talking about these
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things making them real just bydiscussing them whereas if we
didn't discuss, them and andliterally focused on what we
should be doing and could bedoing for our lives and a
greater humanity, then wouldn'tthat combat, in a sense, these
kinds of dynamics?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
sure.
Now, on the opposite side ofthat, uh, and and you know it's,
it's, it's not an argument, itis, uh, just a point that arc
and krc are connected trianglesand knowledge, responsibility
and control.
You would be remiss if youdidn't point certain things out
to people, but you have to pointthem out in such aiss if you
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didn't point certain things outto people, but you have to point
them out in such a way that youdon't cause more re-stimulation
than they can handle.
As a general rule that's howauditing works is you
re-stimulate one little thingand you handle it, and another
little thing and you handle itand another little thing, and
that adds up to a series ofkey-outs, like the Scientology
grades, and then you get arelease.
(15:12):
Or in Dianetics, you findphysical somatics and you handle
all the different somaticsthrough the guise of different
ways that an engram can be madeYou've got heat, you've got
electrical, you've got pain, allthis stuff, and you
re-stimulate those and you erasethem.
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But in order to get somebody torun a process, you have to at
least re-stimulate them enoughto go oh yeah, this could happen
.
So it's a fine line of keyingpeople in or making them aware
and doing it.
The best way that you can isit's not really terribly healthy
(15:55):
to doom and gloom people intodoing something, which is
basically what I think you'resaying.
But at the same time, peopleare at different levels on the
tone scale and when they're atdifferent levels on the tone
scale, they're going to takethat information and one
person's going to see it throughred lenses, another green,
another blue, and then you havepeople high tone people who go
(16:19):
yeah, I get it.
I see the point.
I see that you know I need todo something, I need to be on
course every day and I have thisopportunity.
There's nothing worse thanhaving an opportunity and
missing it because it wasn't onthe calendar that the internet
shut down, or, uh, you got hitby a bus on a tuesday afternoon
or you know whatever.
(16:40):
So why put, why put off?
You know until tomorrow whatyou can do today, and being
aware of the information putsyou in krc with your own
environment, to where you can bemore at cause.
That's why lrh put this stuffout.
There is he realized this.
He wrote the hat up, passed itoff.
Information puts you in KRCwith your own environment, to
where you can be more at cause.
That's why LRH put this stuffout there.
He realized this.
He wrote the hat up, passed itoff to us.
And we're supposed to take thathat, assimilate it and pass it
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off to somebody else, becauseyou can't be OT for long without
taking responsibility for thehat and getting into the hands
of the next guy.
I mean you know, I didn't wantnext guy.
I mean you know, I, I didn'twant to, I didn't know, I didn't
want to edit, when I wasgetting trained at flag that
somebody said well, you're goingto be running an independent
scientology organization andyou're going to have, uh, 200
(17:23):
podcasts and you're going tolive in south africa and you're
going to meet this these guys,arthur and quentin, and they're
going to live in differentplaces.
And we're going to meet theseguys, arthur and Quentin, and
they're going to live indifferent places, and we're
going to do this over video chat.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know what I mean.
So you know, if you looked atthat now and you say, where are
we going to be at in five or sixyears?
I mean the sky's the limit,given how quickly things are
changing, both geopolitically,technologically.
Things are changing at a morerapid rate than they ever have
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in the three of our and ourlisteners' existence ever.
It's just you're not seeingwhat's changing and what's going
on.
Going on now you can, you canjujitsu that shit and you can
take that and you can use it toyour advantage in order to stay
standing, but 75% of all fightsend up on the ground.
(18:29):
Well, I mean, you know, that's,know, that's.
The viewpoint is, you've gotthese averages and these laws
and even though you might be ablack belt in jiu-jitsu, 75% of
the time it's going to end up onthe ground and there's going to
be a tussle.
And to the degree that you knowhow to get out of that tussle
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is to the degree that you'resurviving.
Because what does he say inDianetics?
What is the urge, the primeurge of a being to survive.
So if we're talking about theend of the world, we're talking
about the end of the world.
What state?
What's the optimum state youshould, should you be in.
(19:14):
He mentions this in KeepingScientology Working.
I just did a star rate with astudent here at the org
yesterday on Keeping ScientologyWorking and every time I read
it I get something else out ofit and it rekindles even more
than before having read it andthat, look, you've got an
opportunity.
(19:34):
You need to avail yourself ofit, because it might not come
this way again or for a very,very long time.
This is your chance Now.
You can either get on the train.
You can either get on the trainor you can miss the train and
walk and maybe, maybe you'll getthere or dot, dot, dot.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, and it's interesting because when I think
about how the world ends andhow we kind of, I don't look at
it as an explosion right, I lookat it as more as an explosion
right, I look at it as a more ofan implosion.
Yeah, um, and in fact in the uhlecture, uh, the universe of a
thetan, lrh talks about how, um,a thetan like kind of creates
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this, like this world is createdby a series of overts that kind
of collapses in on themselves,right.
So it's like you're a big, big,big being, right, with limitless
capabilities, limitless power,limitless all this stuff or
whatever, and you drop down fromthe eighth dynamic, which is
infinity, to the seventh, whichis, uh, individuated spirit, you
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know spiritual beings and allthat stuff like this, and then
you drop down from there to thesixth and to the fifth, and then
he says he is liable on theupper dynamics One way or the
other.
He is liable to such a degreethat after a while he begins to
believe it is not possible tohave one or the other of the
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dynamics and, believing that itis not possible, he drops them
out of his curriculum, he dropsthem out of his activities
entirely and he gets more andmore separated, more and more
individuated.
He gets less and less part ofthe dynamics and more and more
part of some dislocated,aberrated condition that is him.
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This blew my mind right thatyou start off as this super big,
powerful, infinite capabilitybeing and you drop, drop, drop,
drop to this ruggedindividualism and dog eat dog
and I got to fight for what'smine and this whole thing.
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And he says this world iscreated by connection of a
series of overts.
Such is life, yeah such is life.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's a solution to a problem.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right, supposedly right, and it's an aberrated
solution to a problem that wekeep committing these overrides
against each other and oneanother and society and logic
and thinkingness, and whateverwe commit all these overrides,
these are solutions.
It's, you know what is the GPM?
Gold, pop and Fast, and it'slike these things just keep on
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collapsing in on us till we havethis implosion of self, and
this is why you got the anxiety.
That's what anxiety is Like Idon't know what to do with me.
You know this is why you havethis.
You know this.
All this stuff is like I don'tknow how to function in this.
This stuff is like I don't knowhow to function in this,
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because this is, this is whatlife supposedly is supposed to
be about, but it's really awhole bunch of overts, you know
right, and you, as a being,don't want to.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Don't want to play that game yeah, because once you
have overts, you're cut offfrom the powers of observation,
because now you're withholding,yeah, and once you're
withholding and and this, thisgoes directly into, uh, what l11
does for a person.
I mean, how did, how was youruniverse before you did l11 to
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how was your universe after youdid l?
As an example?
Oh, man?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
yeah, absolutely, it's you.
You get these, you get theseovers off.
Well, you get these overs offas stuff it all expands so
massively because you're notlessening yourself.
That's what the L's is allabout.
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You're not lessening yourself.
I don't know if the L's don'tstand for lessening, but you're
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It, could, it, could, it, could, it could.
Yeah, you know the L stands forlisting and nulling, but the
thing is is you know that's justthe procedure, the one really
the most powerful procedure thatwe have in auditing is listing
and nulling.
Yeah, once you have aparticular valence that you can,
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you say, okay, this and you'retaking on your.
Well, let's just look at itfrom PTS tech and this is
probably something I haven'tsaid on a podcast before, this
is my own realization you canDPTS a person, all you want, all
you want.
But if you haven't emancipatedthem from this beautiful big
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blue marble called Earth to thatdegree, they are still somewhat
a potential trouble source.
Yeah, and how you become apotential trouble source is you
take on valences, and how asuppressive becomes a
suppressive is it's the GPM.
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If you can't beat them, whatsurvival or the appearance of
survival is?
You have to join them and belike them.
Once you've done that, now youhave the overts and withholds
stacking up of being them,because that's the way you
survive.
So of course, you're going tohave overts and withholds
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because you're being a valenceor taking on the valence of a
suppressor, because you had tojoin them, because you couldn't
beat them.
And then you start withholdingyourself in another valence, not
even your own, and there's astack, a stack of valences that
a being has, and this applies onthe third dynamic as well.
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When you look at what's going onhere on earth, or you look at
what's going on in this sectoror sectors, or this galaxy, you
still see these dramatizationsthat are going on.
So the best thing to do is getoff the overrides and withholds
or the valences that you've beenin or you still have, that you
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operate off of, so that you'reno longer withholding.
That allows you to now do asyou.
You don't have a valence, youare you.
There's no such thing as myvalence, there is only you.
But to be you, you have toclear out other valences in
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order to be able to functionproperly and reach, reach for
things in order to be able to dothem, and if you can't reach
them, there's no way you'regoing to get them done.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I like it.
I like it when you preach likethat I mean, you know, that's
that, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's.
The thing is, you're dealingwith these shoelaces back and
forth.
Who or what would oppose a liontamer, okay, well, well, the
lion ate me.
So I need to have the valenceof a lion, because what I was
doing didn't, didn't help mesurvive.
And now I'm dead and I'm in theline of the, my body is in the
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lion's stomach, okay.
So now I'm going to be a lion,okay, and then the lion gets
beat up and you being a lion,now you're like okay, who or
what would oppose a lion back tothis other valence, whatever
that is.
So you take on these valencesand you have these valences as
part of the reactive mind or thecomposite case, reactive mind
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and there are lots of reactiveminds there and you handle these
things to where you can nowreach in areas that you haven't
been able to reach in forTrillinia.
Now you can play a real gameand it puts your doingness back
in your control.
In other words, you're playinga game you want to play as far
as doingness goes.
You're not being played by theuniverse of overt withhold
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motivator, that type of thing,and that's what slows us down,
and LRH realized this, and thiswas the mechanism of it and part
of it is the goals.
Problems, mass.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Go ahead.
No, that's right Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No, I was just going to say.
And when we come to theserealizations and return to our
own valence which is not amisnomer return to ourselves and
become more of ourselves andrecognize who we really are,
that then you're no longer ableto be duped, you're no longer
able to be controlled or lesslikely to be duped or less
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likely to be controlled, because, again, I already said it
before that the fall of thisworld, the end of this world,
really is about the cutting offof the communication of
knowledge.
And so when you have an entiresector, entire group that is
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really, really dedicated togetting you this kind of
knowledge, when you have anorganization like AOGP that is
really interested in getting theknowledge to people, getting
you trained, getting you reallyhad it to life, had it to self,
and then helping you through allof these goals, problems,
masses, helping you through allof this stuff, helping you with
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the L's so that you're no longerlessening yourself, that's what
I'm going to call them.
I'm going to call it thelessening 11.
And I'm going to love it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, that's really what it is.
Because you're holding yourselfback because of overts and
withholds, through valences,you're spotting the lessenings
that you, you've done.
You've cut your reach.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's, that's what it's all yeah, and when you?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
have a third and fourth dynamic that is, cutting
their reach.
Because what is what isknowledge?
What's the, the, the term rightabove it's awareness?
And your awareness is cut byoverts and withholds, and you
can't see things for the waythat they are because of the
withholdiness of an overt thatdisallows you to be able to see
(30:26):
things for what they are, to beable to see things for what they
are.
And then, at the bottom of this, you've got misunderstood
concept, word or symbol, whichis your first and second
phenomenon of misunderstood word, is where an overt comes from.
Is there something there youdidn't understand?
And so that is that.
Well, if I can't beat them,join them.
(30:47):
Well, you could have beat themif you understood the mechanisms
of what's going on.
You can't be a potentialtrouble source to a suppressive
personality.
If you haven't wait for it, ifyou haven't committed an overt
against the suppressive, thereyou go.
(31:09):
You see how that loops back.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's good.
Hold on a second.
Say it again you cannot besuppressed by a suppressive
personality if you have notcommitted an overt against the
suppressive.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
That's right, because you are at cause until you do
something to a suppressive thatyou wouldn't want done to you.
That takes you from cause toeffect Effect.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And now you become the effect of.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And now you become the effect of, and when you're
around suppressive personalities, they will set you up to put
you in this catch-22 where I'mdamned if I do or damned if I
don't, and you feel like youhave no choice but to do
something against them as anovert to survive.
Then they've got you, thenthey've got you, and then that's
(32:01):
how you start going down thepath of becoming or snapping in
and becoming the suppressivebecause you can't reach.
Now You've done something tothem and they keep beating you
up and keep beating you up andyou can't reach.
More and more can't reach.
And then you're like, well,can't beat them, I'll join them.
And so you snap in and becomethat valence because it's the
(32:22):
only way to survive.
Look at Nazi Germany.
You know a lot of the Germans.
They didn't have any choice.
They were just like, well, thisis looking really bad.
And they start committingoverts against them.
And then they start to go intoagreement.
And then I mean, you know, thisis also how you get Stockholm
syndrome as well.
(32:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know, becauseit's justified, that they are
your captors.
And then a little later on, allof a sudden you become like
Hitler and you become a brownshirt and then you're going out
and doing all kinds of nastythings.
This is just only one example.
But that's the thing.
Don't commit the overts.
(33:03):
Keep your ethics in.
Know, when you see asuppressive, get away from it.
I mean, you know, get away fromit.
Uh, I mean, you know I'm gonnago political here, but you see
people leaving the united statesbecause they can no longer
abide by what they see going onpolitically and I respect.
I respect that because whatthey're doing is they're trying
(33:25):
to keep their ethics in and sayI'm disconnecting because I
can't handle.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it's not a game that I want to play,
right, like the truth of thematter is and when I look at you
know whether it be companies orcorporations that are out there
, you know the you start to seewho kind of goes rank and file
(33:54):
with what's happening, what'sgoing on, and you can kind of
take a look and be like what areyour overs here?
Like what's going on really,because you, you seem to got
right in step with what's goingon.
You seem to get right in stepwith it.
What are you really hiding?
What did you really do?
You know what I mean?
What do they have on?
(34:16):
You Could be used to get you inline.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right and you look at the Scientology and Dynetics
axioms, in order to play a game,you have to agree to become
aberrated.
You have to agree to becomeaberrated.
You have to agree to becomeaberrated.
So, when you disconnect fromsomething that appears to you
because I mean, you know, thisgoes back to all of the podcasts
(34:43):
that we've talked about theCode of Honor and integrity and
all of this stuff where, if youlook at the code of honor and
you look at people leaving acountry because of changes
politically, they're keepingtheir code of honor in for them
and that's something that is tobe respected, whether you agree
with what's going on or not.
(35:05):
When people say I'm moving toGreece or I'm going to wherever
outside of the United States,and they have the ability to do
that, of course that's expensiveand all of that it takes money,
but the thing is is you have tolook at it and go.
What am I agreeing with?
What am I agreeing with thatallows me to keep my integrity
(35:30):
in as best I can?
And when you agree and agree tobecome aberrated which is the
left side of the spectrum, so tospeak then you are now culpable
for being there andcommunicating, which is one of
the two things you can be guiltyof.
And then there is over andunder estimation of effort so
(35:57):
you look at 8 billion peopledoing this.
If you have the awareness andyou have the knowledge, then you
can do something about it foryour first dynamic, and then
your second, and then your third, and then your fourth, like you
were mentioning earlier, howyou drop down to where you get
myopic and you get all caught upin one dynamic and then your
(36:20):
other dynamics flounder becauseyou're just trying to survive.
Why is it you're trying to justsurvive?
What is it that's making youjust survive and not flourish
and prosper?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Prosper yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, and it's interesting something you said
earlier as well reaching a pointwhere you're ready to play a
real game.
That really struck me, asopposed to running around, you
know, trying to pay your rentand make a few dollars, um, just
to survive, right like you saidplaying a real game, taking
(37:01):
something by the horns andcreating your own universe yeah,
whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm going to cross a boundary here, begging both of
you to come here to the org anddo services in person.
We've got three places, threerooms, we've got a course room,
(37:35):
we've got three auditing roomsand when you get everybody in,
every everybody in the same room, there is this palpable
groupiness, this third dynamicthing.
And now you've got OTs workingin numbers and you get this
critical mass and you createthis theta bubble and it goes
(37:59):
and it gets bigger, bigger andall of a sudden other.
All your other dynamics startgetting in alignment because
you're playing the game you wantto play, as opposed to the game
of just trying to survive.
Everything else works out.
Everything else works out whenyou, when you do that and you
have a positive agreement of agame and you go well, what about
(38:22):
this and what about that?
My bills and I got to findsomebody to work for me and I.
You know that's because that'sthe game you're caught up in.
But when you get your dynamicsin alignment and you decide I'm
going OT and I'm going to helpsomebody else go OT and I'm
going to be there and I'm goingto be this radical theta
(38:44):
viewpoint of having somebodyelse in the same room, and
there's this interchange becauseit's a two-terminal universe,
now it's a four-terminaluniverse.
We've got two auditors intraining here.
You've got me, now you've gottwo guys, and then, the next
thing, you know, two other guyscontact us out of the blue.
Now, when I say guys, men,women, whatever, and because
(39:06):
there's this group and Thetansknow where Theta is.
That's why we do this podcast.
But the thing is is when youget them in the same room and
they're on course and they'rehaving wins, and they're going
in session and they're gettingsomebody else in session, and
all of this, all of a sudden, itjust it expands like mushrooms
and then, all of a sudden, thenext thing, you know, now we
(39:27):
have a brick and mortar org andmore flows are coming in and
people are talking.
Quentin's getting more phonecalls for his business, artie's
getting more phone calls for hisbusiness and he's not even
there.
You know, it's inexplicable howthis happens, but this is how
flows work, is they come in fromother places.
When you start playing the game, you know you should be playing
(39:49):
instead of the physicaluniverse saying, yeah, but
there's this distraction andthat distraction, but I have all
these things that I have tohandle.
It doesn't work that way, andthat's basically what you're
saying, arthur is that's thegame you know you should be
playing.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
And it's interesting because just hearing you talk,
I'm trying to think within myown mind space what my
capability is and the greatestthing I can conceive is actually
really small, right.
And I struggle going beyondthat smallness and I kind of
(40:31):
consider, like some of the greatmen in the world you know, like
Hitler, one man.
You know I don't condone whathe did, but it was pretty
incredible.
You know what?
I don't condone what he did,but it was pretty incredible.
You know what I mean ChristGandhi, you know these are
single beings that impacted theworld to such a degree that, in
(40:51):
some way, we're still affectedby that.
Yeah, yeah, you know singleindividuals.
You know mother Teresa, um, youknow these, these people, even
Julius Caesar, for example.
I mean, yes, they're veryconquering ways of doing things,
but they're not small things atall.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
No, and you know the people around them.
I mean that's you look at thoseguys, every single one of those
guys, and we're not talkingabout good or bad, but it takes
making a third dynamic.
And when you start getting athird dynamic done, you look at
what LRH did and all of thethings that he pulled off and
(41:36):
you know, I should know runningan org, you know, I mean it is
incredible, incredible theamount of flows that come in and
people are asking for help andthey don't have any money and
it's like, well, you know, whatcan I do for this person?
I had it happen today, thismorning, but right as I got up,
(41:58):
well, I'm not going to not helpthem, I'm going to have to do
that.
But the thing is is you get toa point to where you're pulling
in these flows and people areasking for help, which they
deserve, and you have to figureout how to either take care of
it yourself or give it tosomebody else to handle or this
(42:19):
type of a thing, becauseeverybody needs help in some way
on some dynamic.
But when you start having a lotof people in the same room, not
just virtually, but a lot ofpeople in the same room working
in that direction of helping oneanother and helping other
people.
All of a sudden, now you have20 people where you had four and
(42:41):
then you have 80 people whereyou had 20 people, because there
is this terminal that pulls inthese flows and outflows to
other people and the exchangeincreases back and forth.
This is how you prevent the endof the world.
Prevent the end of the world,but it has to start somewhere.
(43:08):
I don't want to work 12 hours aday or 15 hours a day or
whatever, but I also enjoy whatit is that I do and if I'm
helping people, okay, I have towork 12 or 15 hours a day and
that's what you have to do untilyou have a larger group where
you can now work eight hours aday and you can take off three
days a week and work four days aweek because you're getting so
(43:31):
much done, because now you havea group and you're pulling in
money from places you neverthought possible, because you're
taking care of yourself.
Just like Quentin said earlierin his quote from the lecture,
is that you have to startoutflowing towards those other
dynamics in your game.
In your game, if you're notsuccessful and you're getting a
(43:58):
strong headwind, then you're notplaying the game you should be
playing in order to pull in theflows that you need to be
pulling in.
And I guarantee you I said thisto Quentin this morning I
promise, I promise, I promisethis is what will happen and it
always does when you get on yourreal purpose.
(44:20):
That doesn't mean the otherthings that you're doing are off
purpose, but you're seeing yourpurpose.
You're seeing your purpose isnot being met because if it was,
you wouldn't be struggling.
You're not playing the game youshould be playing and that's no
make wrong to anybody listeningto this podcast.
It's just saying you haven'tfound your real muse.
(44:43):
You think you have, but youhaven't.
Whatever that is, but Iguarantee you that when you
start going up the bridge andyou start handling this charge,
which is a third and fourthdynamic charge, when you,
especially when you get on theOT levels LRH even talks about
how this directly affects thethird dynamic and all of a
(45:05):
sudden the phone starts ringingand you're getting in flows in
your other areas that are yourother second and third tier
games and now you're making alot of money and if you're a
dentist, you've got more peoplethat want their teeth cleaned
and crowns and all that stuff.
And you're like well, why wasn'tthat happening before?
It's because your first dynamic, your first dynamic, needs to
(45:28):
be the game you need to beplaying, and that is dynamics in
Scientology, and it opens theflows like nothing else and
they'll come from the weirdestplaces.
That's how you prevent the endof the world, because, I assure
you, it doesn't take a lot ofpeople to turn things around on
this planet, because you'redealing with the fourth dynamic
(45:49):
on the OT levels.
But you've got to get there andyou've got to start doing that,
from the solo course to OT1, toOT2, ot3, new OT5.
And that's how you handle thisstuff.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So, per LRH, when you talked about how this world is
created, with these series ofovers collapsing you down to
your first dynamic and thiswhole, I must survive, kind of
mindset, I have to survive, kindof mindset, right?
So what I'm hearing you say isis that the way to reverse that
curse?
The way to reverse that is toposition yourself, to explode,
(46:30):
expand, to get out of this firstdynamic and start getting out
into a larger purpose, a largersphere of influence of the, the
higher dynamics except he callsthem the upper dynamics Getting
back into those upper dynamics,and so you're actually expanding
yourself.
So the way to reverse it is toexpand, not contract.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, I got that.
That's right.
You're gonna have to do moreand expand out, because if it
isn't doing what it needs to bedoing, the answer is always get
up the bridge.
It isn't anything else, itisn't.
I've seen this time and timeand time and time and time again
.
You have to expand out acrossthose dynamics through auditing,
(47:17):
solo auditing, and then you'llfind that things start really
opening up.
Every one of my PCs has saidthings just changed overnight.
The phone started ringing whenI started going in session or I
went on course and I got thisinformation and I know, if you
know you're doing everything youcan, all of a sudden the flow
(47:39):
is reversed.
Even if you haven't gotten tothe destination of the solo
course, you haven't gotten tothe destination of the expanded
grades, when you know you'reputting in the work, you're
putting in the effort, it'schanging now and you're going to
see that response and kind fromthe physical universe in the
form of flows that you canconfirmation bias go.
(48:02):
Oh, the phone started ringing.
Oh, this changed.
Oh, I got this loan for thisbuilding, for my new apartment
building project, or whatever.
It just starts happening.
It just starts happening.
That's why the OT levels, lowerlevel, bridge, grade, auditing
and everything like that.
Do what they do Because you haveto get it.
(48:24):
You have to run up the bridge.
When you go slow, life goesslow.
Your flows go slow.
When you know that you'reknocking it out of the park
every day and you feel goodabout it.
That's when things changeovernight.
Putting in the work that stopsthe end of the, putting in the
work that stops the end of theworld, and it can and it will.
(48:45):
It doesn't take a lot of people.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I love your praise, lord.
Yeah, this is how we're doingit.
This is exactly how we're doingit.
You know what I love about forpeople who are, you know,
listening to this podcastwherever you are on planet Earth
fact that the ALGP ispositioned to serve humanity, no
matter where they are on planetEarth, as long as they have,
you know, ability to communicate.
(49:32):
That's fantastic.
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, and just this last week we've opened our doors
here at the org and we've gotroom for many people to come and
do services and be on courseand get in session with one of
our auditors For lack of abetter expression.
We do have a brick-and-mortarorg now and I want people to
(49:59):
come and I want them to come andspend a month, two months,
three months and get theirservices in person as well as
virtually.
It's a lot better and a lotquicker to get it done in person
, where you can go in sessiontwo, three times a day and you
can be on course and you can getthis stuff knocked out and get
(50:20):
it finished quickly.
South Africa is beautiful rightnow and it's nice and warm.
Down here the winters are verymild 70 degree days in basically
the North American version ofJanuary, which would be June,
july and August.
It's still 70 degrees, 65degrees, sunny.
(50:40):
It's a beautiful place.
It's just like LA, just alittle windier sometimes.
But we want you to come down,we want you to do the services.
We're trying to get Arthur here, we're trying to get Quentin
here.
We have students on courseright now.
There's all kinds of things tosee.
We have Addo Elephant Park,where you can go out and you can
(51:00):
see all of the African wildlifewithin 15 minutes of the org.
There's another one fiveminutes away from the org where
you can see everything exceptthe most dangerous the beasts.
There's so many things to do.
We're five minutes away from acrystal blue beach with white
sand, no trash, dolphins andwhales offshore that you can see
(51:22):
.
This is what we got for you.
We want you to come here.
We want you to do services.
If you can't do the virtualservices, until you can Come, do
services.
Come see us and be part of athird and fourth dynamic.
We're here and we want you todo this.
We're going to be advertisingthis in every podcast forward,
(51:43):
so any closing statements here.
Guys, I got to get in sessionwith a PC here in five minutes.
Any closing statements?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I just know that we're just going to do it.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, you just got to do it Once you decide, that's
all it is.
It's a decision, it's a posture, but quentin 100.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I just know that.
You know, as, as the worldturns and as things shift and
change in our society, and Ilike how arthur um made the
distinction between the end ofthe planet and the end of this
current way of expressing andthe current way of operating,
like I think what we're talkingabout here really is how are you
(52:30):
going to what?
How am I and I'll speak formyself how am I going to
position myself as things changein my environment?
Am I going to be able to adaptand to be able to create my own
universe, my own world withinthe world as we know it?
(52:53):
And I think that that's whatI've been really keen on for
many years now.
Some years ago, I was into awhole prepping.
Um, for many years now, someyears ago, I was into a whole
prepping.
You know the prepping lifestylewhere, you know, I had stuff
prepared just in case, you know,something happens or whatever.
But now I'm more of let meprepare me.
You know, let me prepare me.
Uh, the, the, the cupboards arenice, and you know, the bank
(53:17):
accounts are nice and all thatstuff is wonderful, you know,
but let me prepare me in casesomething happens, and if I'm,
if I'm me and I'm prepared to dome, I can do me effectively, no
matter what.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So that's right, let's do it, and that's that's
where.
Where it starts is it's got tostart there, ground zero.
Well, for Quentin and Artie.
We hope you guys enjoyed thispodcast and, uh, we will have
another one we're going to dotomorrow to try and at least get
two out tomorrow.
We hope you enjoyed it andwe'll see you then, namaste, and
(53:51):
we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.
Hi everyone, welcome to another AOGP Scientology
Outside of the Church podcastbrought to you by the Advanced
Org of the Great Plains and theCollege of Independent
Scientologycom.
Aogp is AO-GPorg for those whodon't know, and this is a
podcast about independentScientology and independent
(00:24):
Scientologists' viewpoints onthe world current events, the
topic of independent Scientologyand Dianetics.
This is Season 10, episode 24.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand Arthur Mudakis on the
continent of Australia and thecontinent of Asia, with Quentin
(00:44):
and me, and the continent ofAfrica.
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I wanted to turn it over to Quentin, who came up
with a podcast idea, and wegenerally tend to jam if you
will, if you use a musicalanalog on things pretty well
when one of us has an idea andwe just kind of jam with it and
roll with it and it goes in somepretty cool directions.
(01:11):
So Quentin had the idea of takeit away.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Quentin, if the world was ending or the end of the
world, and what is theindependent Scientologist's
viewpoint on the end of theworld?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
That's a good question.
Yeah.
Arthur you want to play abaseline?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I'm going to say that the intention would be
to maximize the most of yourexistence here while you're here
in this vessel that would bewhat I would say Scientology
would aim towards but then alsoto secure a healthier future
(02:01):
ongoing as far as you know,becoming operating Phaeton,
where you can choose whathappens after you drop this body
and move into the next phase ofexistence, whatever that might
be.
You know that would includewhatever technologies are around
at the time.
If we don't destroy ourtechnologies to get to the end
(02:22):
of the world, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And I know we've mentioned this in earlier
podcasts, but this might be anunderpinning and I find it very
relative to Quentin's idea, forthe idea of the podcast.
This is from the PhiladelphiaDoctorate Course Lectures, arc
Cycles and Automaticity.
(02:47):
This is a couple paragraphs, sobear with me, guys.
He says we wouldn't have aghost of a chance right now
unless Homo sapiens actually hadslugged up from the mud to a
point where he had a littleleisure time.
We happen to be going through aperiod when man has made
himself relatively free by theuse of the machine, just after a
period when he was terriblyenslaved by the machine the
(03:08):
early days of industrialism, andjust before the machine is
employed for his utterenslavement.
The reason you've gotscientology is, to a large
degree, right here.
There's a little breathingperiod on earth.
This is 1952.
This is uh what 72 years ago.
You've seen those curtains.
He says sorry, I lost my place.
(03:30):
I don't know how many years itis from here to the other, but
you've already seen the slaverystate start with Hiroshima.
It became dangerous forknowledge to be disseminated.
It became terribly important tothem to shut all the boundaries
on knowledge.
You've seen those curtainsshutting down.
Those are the shades of nightfalling.
(03:51):
The whole nonsense of thoughtpolice is moving right straight
in the shades of night.
We've got a very short time.
It isn't the destruction ofcivilization by the atomic bomb,
it's quote let's shut down thecommunication lines of knowledge
here for a brief moment.
We have them free and open.
There's a tremendous urgency.
Against that.
It is real.
It is going to happen here onEarth 72 years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wow, that's exactly what's kind of going on, isn't
it?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, that's pretty full on.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, if you look at what's going on in the United
States with these presidentialexecutive orders and yeah, it's
getting pretty scary there wasone signed the other day that
basically said laid it out that,and again, I'm not a political
person Either way.
I'm not a Republican orDemocrat or independent or
(04:42):
anything like that I stay out ofpolitics.
But this executive order saidthat what the president says and
the Department of Justice saysis the way that it goes and
their interpretation is the ruleof law.
Especially with the RepublicanCongress.
There's nothing stopping this.
So we're running back intoalmost a feudalistic,
(05:04):
oligarchical society in theUnited States and yeah, that's
not good, especially when youhave to have democracy.
So that's something to take intoconsideration as well.
Just briefly, but more soimportantly, the shades of night
With the advent of AI, with theadvent of robotics, with the
(05:26):
advent of a kill switch on theinternet, with the advent of
false information on theinternet.
On and on and on.
This isn't a doom and gloompodcast, but this is some of the
underpinnings that we'redealing with here.
So, quentin, what does thatquote lend to you for your
(05:49):
podcast topic?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, it's interesting because I mean, when
I think about it from ascienceological perspective, you
know, when LA talks about theshutdown of communication, of
knowledge, you know, and how,that the end of the world is not
like atomic bombs andexplosions and you know
volcanoes erupting all acrossthe, you know, whatever Like
(06:13):
it's actually more like the waythis all kind of unfolds is that
we stop communicating from anintelligent, in an intelligent
way, and we stop operating fromthat kind of perspective, and so
that really is interesting tome, that the decrease of
intelligence is the beginning ofthe end.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Mm-hmm, yep, and there's a lot of information out
there.
David Icke has some TikTokvideos.
He's got a channel and severalpeople have his stuff on TikTok
and they're pretty long snippetswhere he talks about this.
(07:00):
If you're the people in charge,not just governmentally, not
just banking-wise, but you'rethe people in charge running
this prison planet, you don'twant critical thinkers, you
don't want educated people.
So what you do is you don'teducate them, you just make them
able to perform a function,paying interest, working a
(07:25):
nine-to-five job.
You don't give them out becauseyou don't want to create any
competition or enemies, andthat's something that needs to
be taken into consideration.
When you look at what'shappened to Scientology, as far
as the subject itself beingattacked and being looked at
from a reactive mind viewpointof A equals A equals A that the
(07:46):
subject is the corporate churchand the church has been fully,
fully taken over and theinformation has been altered.
So all you have left is thesubject and anybody willing to
disseminate that subject the wayLRH originally intended it.
So that's something to takeinto consideration as well.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, and I think it's also as well the way a lot
of these things are written,because it's not just
Scientology that predicts this.
There are so many otherphilosophies that also predict
the end of the world, and I'mcurious in the sense, because
the world versus the earth aretwo different things.
So is it the world as weunderstand it now and, uh, have
(08:31):
reached this point where we'reso comfortable, um, in the way
we are?
Does that mean the end of humanexistence?
Or does it mean, um, the Idon't know the society we have
now?
Is it going to shift sodramatically it will become the
end of the world as we know itor as we currently understand it
(08:53):
, because the Earth itself isdifferent to the world as such.
We create the world on top ofthe Earth.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, that's true.
I mean you have the planetitself with an atmosphere and
the, the biome that exists on it.
But, um, you know the theoutlook right now from a lot, a
lot of uh, digital pundits, uh,is that we are going to see, in
(09:23):
the next six years, an increaseof magnitude 25 or better years
in six years at a minimum,technologically and when you
look at the shades of night andthe technology of this, just
because it's on the internetdoesn't make it true.
(09:45):
Well, take that and multiply itway out there, and what
information can be manipulatedand what you're being told, what
you're seeing, you know.
I mean, you look at these deepfakes that AI can do in video
and everything like that.
You wouldn't know thedifference with some of the
capabilities with AI, and youhave to be aware of these things
(10:09):
and know what you're seeing istrue.
I mean, it comes down to theverbal tech checklist Did the
person that write it have theauthority to write it?
Basically, did they have theauthority to create the video?
Is it real, is it a real source, that type of thing?
And that's that's.
The real question is, is whatis what I'm seeing, what I'm
(10:32):
reading, what I'm hearing?
Is it the real thing?
Because you can recreate lrh'svoice and you can start putting
lectures out there and make himsay things he didn't say, as an
example, or trump, or, uh,anybody else of any authority,
putin.
So that's, that's somethingthat we need to be wary of.
(10:53):
But the thing I think that thepositive thing is is that we do
have the tools and that they canbe used, and it is something
that you should run up thebridge, not not walk, not tarry.
You should get there as soon aspossible, because it's there
for a fraction of the price, andthe price is the time that you
(11:15):
have left, whether it's the endof your world in the body you're
in, or whether it's the end ofthe world as we know it the end
of the world as we know it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
The end of the world as we know it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, because we're looking at six years from now.
You could have robot cars,robots in your house.
You could be dealing with anynumber of things.
I mean, you saw how differenthas the world changed with the
advent of just something sosmall as a smartphone, as an
example.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's an example the world has changed fundamentally
because of it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And Art brings up a good point that just because the
world is ending or the waythings were is ending, doesn't
necessarily mean that the earthis ending right.
And so you know, are we runningin terror of that?
And I think LRH hit this spoton too.
It is not about, you know,nuclear bombs dropping on your
(12:14):
head.
It's more about, like, what'sgoing on in your head.
It's like what inches into yourhead that really kind of makes
all the difference.
What inches into your head,that really kind of makes all
the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right.
The sources that allow you tothink a certain way or force you
to think a certain way, is theknowledge.
What knowledge are you gettingand is it the correct
information?
That's the biggest thing to me.
Does the knowledge still exist?
Are you being given thatknowledge?
Are you being given somethingthat's completely different to
(12:47):
get you to respond a certain way?
And typically it's problemreaction solution, the powers
that be cause a problem, to getyou to react a certain way in
order for them to pose thesolution that they want you to
go into.
It's not much different frombeing a sheep and being herded
by a sheepdog.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And I think as well, like even participating in those
games, even emotionally ormentally, will create the agenda
behind it as well.
And I don't like to use theword agenda, but, um, you know,
the more we buy into these,these things fake and like even
(13:29):
just just taking the energy tosee if something is fake or if
it's verified, that's anenormous amount of energy that
you're putting towards somethingthat's potentially fake.
And if we look at what's realin this earth, what is real?
Like are all these conceptseven real?
You know, they're just.
They're just games.
(13:49):
So, you know, if enough of usstep out of the game, is that
enough to continue our existence?
And by not playing the gamemeans not putting your attention
towards it, because the moreattention you put towards it,
the more you're creating of it.
You know we're talking aboutthis as a concept now and while
we're talking about it, we'reactually talking about these
(14:11):
things making them real just bydiscussing them whereas if we
didn't discuss, them and andliterally focused on what we
should be doing and could bedoing for our lives and a
greater humanity, then wouldn'tthat combat, in a sense, these
kinds of dynamics?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
sure.
Now, on the opposite side ofthat, uh, and and you know it's,
it's, it's not an argument, itis, uh, just a point that arc
and krc are connected trianglesand knowledge, responsibility
and control.
You would be remiss if youdidn't point certain things out
to people, but you have to pointthem out in such aiss if you
(14:51):
didn't point certain things outto people, but you have to point
them out in such a way that youdon't cause more re-stimulation
than they can handle.
As a general rule that's howauditing works is you
re-stimulate one little thingand you handle it, and another
little thing and you handle itand another little thing, and
that adds up to a series ofkey-outs, like the Scientology
grades, and then you get arelease.
(15:12):
Or in Dianetics, you findphysical somatics and you handle
all the different somaticsthrough the guise of different
ways that an engram can be madeYou've got heat, you've got
electrical, you've got pain, allthis stuff, and you
re-stimulate those and you erasethem.
(15:33):
But in order to get somebody torun a process, you have to at
least re-stimulate them enoughto go oh yeah, this could happen
.
So it's a fine line of keyingpeople in or making them aware
and doing it.
The best way that you can isit's not really terribly healthy
(15:55):
to doom and gloom people intodoing something, which is
basically what I think you'resaying.
But at the same time, peopleare at different levels on the
tone scale and when they're atdifferent levels on the tone
scale, they're going to takethat information and one
person's going to see it throughred lenses, another green,
another blue, and then you havepeople high tone people who go
(16:19):
yeah, I get it.
I see the point.
I see that you know I need todo something, I need to be on
course every day and I have thisopportunity.
There's nothing worse thanhaving an opportunity and
missing it because it wasn't onthe calendar that the internet
shut down, or, uh, you got hitby a bus on a tuesday afternoon
or you know whatever.
(16:40):
So why put, why put off?
You know until tomorrow whatyou can do today, and being
aware of the information putsyou in krc with your own
environment, to where you can bemore at cause.
That's why lrh put this stuffout.
There is he realized this.
He wrote the hat up, passed itoff.
Information puts you in KRCwith your own environment, to
where you can be more at cause.
That's why LRH put this stuffout there.
He realized this.
He wrote the hat up, passed itoff to us.
And we're supposed to take thathat, assimilate it and pass it
(17:01):
off to somebody else, becauseyou can't be OT for long without
taking responsibility for thehat and getting into the hands
of the next guy.
I mean you know, I didn't wantnext guy.
I mean you know, I, I didn'twant to, I didn't know, I didn't
want to edit, when I wasgetting trained at flag that
somebody said well, you're goingto be running an independent
scientology organization andyou're going to have, uh, 200
(17:23):
podcasts and you're going tolive in south africa and you're
going to meet this these guys,arthur and quentin, and they're
going to live in differentplaces.
And we're going to meet theseguys, arthur and Quentin, and
they're going to live indifferent places, and we're
going to do this over video chat.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know what I mean.
So you know, if you looked atthat now and you say, where are
we going to be at in five or sixyears?
I mean the sky's the limit,given how quickly things are
changing, both geopolitically,technologically.
Things are changing at a morerapid rate than they ever have
(17:58):
in the three of our and ourlisteners' existence ever.
It's just you're not seeingwhat's changing and what's going
on.
Going on now you can, you canjujitsu that shit and you can
take that and you can use it toyour advantage in order to stay
standing, but 75% of all fightsend up on the ground.
(18:29):
Well, I mean, you know, that's,know, that's.
The viewpoint is, you've gotthese averages and these laws
and even though you might be ablack belt in jiu-jitsu, 75% of
the time it's going to end up onthe ground and there's going to
be a tussle.
And to the degree that you knowhow to get out of that tussle
(18:50):
is to the degree that you'resurviving.
Because what does he say inDianetics?
What is the urge, the primeurge of a being to survive.
So if we're talking about theend of the world, we're talking
about the end of the world.
What state?
What's the optimum state youshould, should you be in.
(19:14):
He mentions this in KeepingScientology Working.
I just did a star rate with astudent here at the org
yesterday on Keeping ScientologyWorking and every time I read
it I get something else out ofit and it rekindles even more
than before having read it andthat, look, you've got an
opportunity.
(19:34):
You need to avail yourself ofit, because it might not come
this way again or for a very,very long time.
This is your chance Now.
You can either get on the train.
You can either get on the trainor you can miss the train and
walk and maybe, maybe you'll getthere or dot, dot, dot.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, and it's interesting because when I think
about how the world ends andhow we kind of, I don't look at
it as an explosion right, I lookat it as more as an explosion
right, I look at it as a more ofan implosion.
Yeah, um, and in fact in the uhlecture, uh, the universe of a
thetan, lrh talks about how, um,a thetan like kind of creates
(20:23):
this, like this world is createdby a series of overts that kind
of collapses in on themselves,right.
So it's like you're a big, big,big being, right, with limitless
capabilities, limitless power,limitless all this stuff or
whatever, and you drop down fromthe eighth dynamic, which is
infinity, to the seventh, whichis, uh, individuated spirit, you
(20:46):
know spiritual beings and allthat stuff like this, and then
you drop down from there to thesixth and to the fifth, and then
he says he is liable on theupper dynamics One way or the
other.
He is liable to such a degreethat after a while he begins to
believe it is not possible tohave one or the other of the
(21:09):
dynamics and, believing that itis not possible, he drops them
out of his curriculum, he dropsthem out of his activities
entirely and he gets more andmore separated, more and more
individuated.
He gets less and less part ofthe dynamics and more and more
part of some dislocated,aberrated condition that is him.
(21:33):
This blew my mind right thatyou start off as this super big,
powerful, infinite capabilitybeing and you drop, drop, drop,
drop to this ruggedindividualism and dog eat dog
and I got to fight for what'smine and this whole thing.
(21:56):
And he says this world iscreated by connection of a
series of overts.
Such is life, yeah such is life.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's a solution to a problem.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right, supposedly right, and it's an aberrated
solution to a problem that wekeep committing these overrides
against each other and oneanother and society and logic
and thinkingness, and whateverwe commit all these overrides,
these are solutions.
It's, you know what is the GPM?
Gold, pop and Fast, and it'slike these things just keep on
(22:32):
collapsing in on us till we havethis implosion of self, and
this is why you got the anxiety.
That's what anxiety is Like Idon't know what to do with me.
You know this is why you havethis.
You know this.
All this stuff is like I don'tknow how to function in this.
This stuff is like I don't knowhow to function in this,
(22:57):
because this is, this is whatlife supposedly is supposed to
be about, but it's really awhole bunch of overts, you know
right, and you, as a being,don't want to.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Don't want to play that game yeah, because once you
have overts, you're cut offfrom the powers of observation,
because now you're withholding,yeah, and once you're
withholding and and this, thisgoes directly into, uh, what l11
does for a person.
I mean, how did, how was youruniverse before you did l11 to
(23:24):
how was your universe after youdid l?
As an example?
Oh, man?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
yeah, absolutely, it's you.
You get these, you get theseovers off.
Well, you get these overs offas stuff it all expands so
massively because you're notlessening yourself.
That's what the L's is allabout.
(24:00):
You're not lessening yourself.
I don't know if the L's don'tstand for lessening, but you're
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It, could, it, could, it, could, it could.
Yeah, you know the L stands forlisting and nulling, but the
thing is is you know that's justthe procedure, the one really
the most powerful procedure thatwe have in auditing is listing
and nulling.
Yeah, once you have aparticular valence that you can,
(24:27):
you say, okay, this and you'retaking on your.
Well, let's just look at itfrom PTS tech and this is
probably something I haven'tsaid on a podcast before, this
is my own realization you canDPTS a person, all you want, all
you want.
But if you haven't emancipatedthem from this beautiful big
(24:51):
blue marble called Earth to thatdegree, they are still somewhat
a potential trouble source.
Yeah, and how you become apotential trouble source is you
take on valences, and how asuppressive becomes a
suppressive is it's the GPM.
(25:11):
If you can't beat them, whatsurvival or the appearance of
survival is?
You have to join them and belike them.
Once you've done that, now youhave the overts and withholds
stacking up of being them,because that's the way you
survive.
So of course, you're going tohave overts and withholds
(25:32):
because you're being a valenceor taking on the valence of a
suppressor, because you had tojoin them, because you couldn't
beat them.
And then you start withholdingyourself in another valence, not
even your own, and there's astack, a stack of valences that
a being has, and this applies onthe third dynamic as well.
(25:57):
When you look at what's going onhere on earth, or you look at
what's going on in this sectoror sectors, or this galaxy, you
still see these dramatizationsthat are going on.
So the best thing to do is getoff the overrides and withholds
or the valences that you've beenin or you still have, that you
(26:17):
operate off of, so that you'reno longer withholding.
That allows you to now do asyou.
You don't have a valence, youare you.
There's no such thing as myvalence, there is only you.
But to be you, you have toclear out other valences in
(26:38):
order to be able to functionproperly and reach, reach for
things in order to be able to dothem, and if you can't reach
them, there's no way you'regoing to get them done.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So I like it.
I like it when you preach likethat I mean, you know, that's
that, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's.
The thing is, you're dealingwith these shoelaces back and
forth.
Who or what would oppose a liontamer, okay, well, well, the
lion ate me.
So I need to have the valenceof a lion, because what I was
doing didn't, didn't help mesurvive.
And now I'm dead and I'm in theline of the, my body is in the
(27:22):
lion's stomach, okay.
So now I'm going to be a lion,okay, and then the lion gets
beat up and you being a lion,now you're like okay, who or
what would oppose a lion back tothis other valence, whatever
that is.
So you take on these valencesand you have these valences as
part of the reactive mind or thecomposite case, reactive mind
(27:47):
and there are lots of reactiveminds there and you handle these
things to where you can nowreach in areas that you haven't
been able to reach in forTrillinia.
Now you can play a real gameand it puts your doingness back
in your control.
In other words, you're playinga game you want to play as far
as doingness goes.
You're not being played by theuniverse of overt withhold
(28:11):
motivator, that type of thing,and that's what slows us down,
and LRH realized this, and thiswas the mechanism of it and part
of it is the goals.
Problems, mass.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Go ahead.
No, that's right Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
No, I was just going to say.
And when we come to theserealizations and return to our
own valence which is not amisnomer return to ourselves and
become more of ourselves andrecognize who we really are,
that then you're no longer ableto be duped, you're no longer
able to be controlled or lesslikely to be duped or less
(28:51):
likely to be controlled, because, again, I already said it
before that the fall of thisworld, the end of this world,
really is about the cutting offof the communication of
knowledge.
And so when you have an entiresector, entire group that is
(29:12):
really, really dedicated togetting you this kind of
knowledge, when you have anorganization like AOGP that is
really interested in getting theknowledge to people, getting
you trained, getting you reallyhad it to life, had it to self,
and then helping you through allof these goals, problems,
masses, helping you through allof this stuff, helping you with
(29:34):
the L's so that you're no longerlessening yourself, that's what
I'm going to call them.
I'm going to call it thelessening 11.
And I'm going to love it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, that's really what it is.
Because you're holding yourselfback because of overts and
withholds, through valences,you're spotting the lessenings
that you, you've done.
You've cut your reach.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's, that's what it's all yeah, and when you?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
have a third and fourth dynamic that is, cutting
their reach.
Because what is what isknowledge?
What's the, the, the term rightabove it's awareness?
And your awareness is cut byoverts and withholds, and you
can't see things for the waythat they are because of the
withholdiness of an overt thatdisallows you to be able to see
(30:26):
things for what they are, to beable to see things for what they
are.
And then, at the bottom of this, you've got misunderstood
concept, word or symbol, whichis your first and second
phenomenon of misunderstood word, is where an overt comes from.
Is there something there youdidn't understand?
And so that is that.
Well, if I can't beat them,join them.
(30:47):
Well, you could have beat themif you understood the mechanisms
of what's going on.
You can't be a potentialtrouble source to a suppressive
personality.
If you haven't wait for it, ifyou haven't committed an overt
against the suppressive, thereyou go.
(31:09):
You see how that loops back.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's good.
Hold on a second.
Say it again you cannot besuppressed by a suppressive
personality if you have notcommitted an overt against the
suppressive.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
That's right, because you are at cause until you do
something to a suppressive thatyou wouldn't want done to you.
That takes you from cause toeffect Effect.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And now you become the effect of.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And now you become the effect of, and when you're
around suppressive personalities, they will set you up to put
you in this catch-22 where I'mdamned if I do or damned if I
don't, and you feel like youhave no choice but to do
something against them as anovert to survive.
Then they've got you, thenthey've got you, and then that's
(32:01):
how you start going down thepath of becoming or snapping in
and becoming the suppressivebecause you can't reach.
Now You've done something tothem and they keep beating you
up and keep beating you up andyou can't reach.
More and more can't reach.
And then you're like, well,can't beat them, I'll join them.
And so you snap in and becomethat valence because it's the
(32:22):
only way to survive.
Look at Nazi Germany.
You know a lot of the Germans.
They didn't have any choice.
They were just like, well, thisis looking really bad.
And they start committingoverts against them.
And then they start to go intoagreement.
And then I mean, you know, thisis also how you get Stockholm
syndrome as well.
(32:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know, becauseit's justified, that they are
your captors.
And then a little later on, allof a sudden you become like
Hitler and you become a brownshirt and then you're going out
and doing all kinds of nastythings.
This is just only one example.
But that's the thing.
Don't commit the overts.
(33:03):
Keep your ethics in.
Know, when you see asuppressive, get away from it.
I mean, you know, get away fromit.
Uh, I mean, you know I'm gonnago political here, but you see
people leaving the united statesbecause they can no longer
abide by what they see going onpolitically and I respect.
I respect that because whatthey're doing is they're trying
(33:25):
to keep their ethics in and sayI'm disconnecting because I
can't handle.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it's not a game that I want to play,
right, like the truth of thematter is and when I look at you
know whether it be companies orcorporations that are out there
, you know the you start to seewho kind of goes rank and file
(33:54):
with what's happening, what'sgoing on, and you can kind of
take a look and be like what areyour overs here?
Like what's going on really,because you, you seem to got
right in step with what's goingon.
You seem to get right in stepwith it.
What are you really hiding?
What did you really do?
You know what I mean?
What do they have on?
(34:16):
You Could be used to get you inline.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right and you look at the Scientology and Dynetics
axioms, in order to play a game,you have to agree to become
aberrated.
You have to agree to becomeaberrated.
You have to agree to becomeaberrated.
So, when you disconnect fromsomething that appears to you
because I mean, you know, thisgoes back to all of the podcasts
(34:43):
that we've talked about theCode of Honor and integrity and
all of this stuff where, if youlook at the code of honor and
you look at people leaving acountry because of changes
politically, they're keepingtheir code of honor in for them
and that's something that is tobe respected, whether you agree
with what's going on or not.
(35:05):
When people say I'm moving toGreece or I'm going to wherever
outside of the United States,and they have the ability to do
that, of course that's expensiveand all of that it takes money,
but the thing is is you have tolook at it and go.
What am I agreeing with?
What am I agreeing with thatallows me to keep my integrity
(35:30):
in as best I can?
And when you agree and agree tobecome aberrated which is the
left side of the spectrum, so tospeak then you are now culpable
for being there andcommunicating, which is one of
the two things you can be guiltyof.
And then there is over andunder estimation of effort so
(35:57):
you look at 8 billion peopledoing this.
If you have the awareness andyou have the knowledge, then you
can do something about it foryour first dynamic, and then
your second, and then your third, and then your fourth, like you
were mentioning earlier, howyou drop down to where you get
myopic and you get all caught upin one dynamic and then your
(36:20):
other dynamics flounder becauseyou're just trying to survive.
Why is it you're trying to justsurvive?
What is it that's making youjust survive and not flourish
and prosper?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Prosper yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, and it's interesting something you said
earlier as well reaching a pointwhere you're ready to play a
real game.
That really struck me, asopposed to running around, you
know, trying to pay your rentand make a few dollars, um, just
to survive, right like you saidplaying a real game, taking
(37:01):
something by the horns andcreating your own universe yeah,
whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm going to cross a boundary here, begging both of
you to come here to the org anddo services in person.
We've got three places, threerooms, we've got a course room,
(37:35):
we've got three auditing roomsand when you get everybody in,
every everybody in the same room, there is this palpable
groupiness, this third dynamicthing.
And now you've got OTs workingin numbers and you get this
critical mass and you createthis theta bubble and it goes
(37:59):
and it gets bigger, bigger andall of a sudden other.
All your other dynamics startgetting in alignment because
you're playing the game you wantto play, as opposed to the game
of just trying to survive.
Everything else works out.
Everything else works out whenyou, when you do that and you
have a positive agreement of agame and you go well, what about
(38:22):
this and what about that?
My bills and I got to findsomebody to work for me and I.
You know that's because that'sthe game you're caught up in.
But when you get your dynamicsin alignment and you decide I'm
going OT and I'm going to helpsomebody else go OT and I'm
going to be there and I'm goingto be this radical theta
(38:44):
viewpoint of having somebodyelse in the same room, and
there's this interchange becauseit's a two-terminal universe,
now it's a four-terminaluniverse.
We've got two auditors intraining here.
You've got me, now you've gottwo guys, and then, the next
thing, you know, two other guyscontact us out of the blue.
Now, when I say guys, men,women, whatever, and because
(39:06):
there's this group and Thetansknow where Theta is.
That's why we do this podcast.
But the thing is is when youget them in the same room and
they're on course and they'rehaving wins, and they're going
in session and they're gettingsomebody else in session, and
all of this, all of a sudden, itjust it expands like mushrooms
and then, all of a sudden, thenext thing, you know, now we
(39:27):
have a brick and mortar org andmore flows are coming in and
people are talking.
Quentin's getting more phonecalls for his business, artie's
getting more phone calls for hisbusiness and he's not even
there.
You know, it's inexplicable howthis happens, but this is how
flows work, is they come in fromother places.
When you start playing the game, you know you should be playing
(39:49):
instead of the physicaluniverse saying, yeah, but
there's this distraction andthat distraction, but I have all
these things that I have tohandle.
It doesn't work that way, andthat's basically what you're
saying, arthur is that's thegame you know you should be
playing.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
And it's interesting because just hearing you talk,
I'm trying to think within myown mind space what my
capability is and the greatestthing I can conceive is actually
really small, right.
And I struggle going beyondthat smallness and I kind of
(40:31):
consider, like some of the greatmen in the world you know, like
Hitler, one man.
You know I don't condone whathe did, but it was pretty
incredible.
You know what?
I don't condone what he did,but it was pretty incredible.
You know what I mean ChristGandhi, you know these are
single beings that impacted theworld to such a degree that, in
(40:51):
some way, we're still affectedby that.
Yeah, yeah, you know singleindividuals.
You know mother Teresa, um, youknow these, these people, even
Julius Caesar, for example.
I mean, yes, they're veryconquering ways of doing things,
but they're not small things atall.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
No, and you know the people around them.
I mean that's you look at thoseguys, every single one of those
guys, and we're not talkingabout good or bad, but it takes
making a third dynamic.
And when you start getting athird dynamic done, you look at
what LRH did and all of thethings that he pulled off and
(41:36):
you know, I should know runningan org, you know, I mean it is
incredible, incredible theamount of flows that come in and
people are asking for help andthey don't have any money and
it's like, well, you know, whatcan I do for this person?
I had it happen today, thismorning, but right as I got up,
(41:58):
well, I'm not going to not helpthem, I'm going to have to do
that.
But the thing is is you get toa point to where you're pulling
in these flows and people areasking for help, which they
deserve, and you have to figureout how to either take care of
it yourself or give it tosomebody else to handle or this
(42:19):
type of a thing, becauseeverybody needs help in some way
on some dynamic.
But when you start having a lotof people in the same room, not
just virtually, but a lot ofpeople in the same room working
in that direction of helping oneanother and helping other
people.
All of a sudden, now you have20 people where you had four and
(42:41):
then you have 80 people whereyou had 20 people, because there
is this terminal that pulls inthese flows and outflows to
other people and the exchangeincreases back and forth.
This is how you prevent the endof the world.
Prevent the end of the world,but it has to start somewhere.
(43:08):
I don't want to work 12 hours aday or 15 hours a day or
whatever, but I also enjoy whatit is that I do and if I'm
helping people, okay, I have towork 12 or 15 hours a day and
that's what you have to do untilyou have a larger group where
you can now work eight hours aday and you can take off three
days a week and work four days aweek because you're getting so
(43:31):
much done, because now you havea group and you're pulling in
money from places you neverthought possible, because you're
taking care of yourself.
Just like Quentin said earlierin his quote from the lecture,
is that you have to startoutflowing towards those other
dynamics in your game.
In your game, if you're notsuccessful and you're getting a
(43:58):
strong headwind, then you're notplaying the game you should be
playing in order to pull in theflows that you need to be
pulling in.
And I guarantee you I said thisto Quentin this morning I
promise, I promise, I promisethis is what will happen and it
always does when you get on yourreal purpose.
(44:20):
That doesn't mean the otherthings that you're doing are off
purpose, but you're seeing yourpurpose.
You're seeing your purpose isnot being met because if it was,
you wouldn't be struggling.
You're not playing the game youshould be playing and that's no
make wrong to anybody listeningto this podcast.
It's just saying you haven'tfound your real muse.
(44:43):
You think you have, but youhaven't.
Whatever that is, but Iguarantee you that when you
start going up the bridge andyou start handling this charge,
which is a third and fourthdynamic charge, when you,
especially when you get on theOT levels LRH even talks about
how this directly affects thethird dynamic and all of a
(45:05):
sudden the phone starts ringingand you're getting in flows in
your other areas that are yourother second and third tier
games and now you're making alot of money and if you're a
dentist, you've got more peoplethat want their teeth cleaned
and crowns and all that stuff.
And you're like well, why wasn'tthat happening before?
It's because your first dynamic, your first dynamic, needs to
(45:28):
be the game you need to beplaying, and that is dynamics in
Scientology, and it opens theflows like nothing else and
they'll come from the weirdestplaces.
That's how you prevent the endof the world, because, I assure
you, it doesn't take a lot ofpeople to turn things around on
this planet, because you'redealing with the fourth dynamic
(45:49):
on the OT levels.
But you've got to get there andyou've got to start doing that,
from the solo course to OT1, toOT2, ot3, new OT5.
And that's how you handle thisstuff.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So, per LRH, when you talked about how this world is
created, with these series ofovers collapsing you down to
your first dynamic and thiswhole, I must survive, kind of
mindset, I have to survive, kindof mindset, right?
So what I'm hearing you say isis that the way to reverse that
curse?
The way to reverse that is toposition yourself, to explode,
(46:30):
expand, to get out of this firstdynamic and start getting out
into a larger purpose, a largersphere of influence of the, the
higher dynamics except he callsthem the upper dynamics Getting
back into those upper dynamics,and so you're actually expanding
yourself.
So the way to reverse it is toexpand, not contract.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, I got that.
That's right.
You're gonna have to do moreand expand out, because if it
isn't doing what it needs to bedoing, the answer is always get
up the bridge.
It isn't anything else, itisn't.
I've seen this time and timeand time and time and time again
.
You have to expand out acrossthose dynamics through auditing,
(47:17):
solo auditing, and then you'llfind that things start really
opening up.
Every one of my PCs has saidthings just changed overnight.
The phone started ringing whenI started going in session or I
went on course and I got thisinformation and I know, if you
know you're doing everything youcan, all of a sudden the flow
(47:39):
is reversed.
Even if you haven't gotten tothe destination of the solo
course, you haven't gotten tothe destination of the expanded
grades, when you know you'reputting in the work, you're
putting in the effort, it'schanging now and you're going to
see that response and kind fromthe physical universe in the
form of flows that you canconfirmation bias go.
(48:02):
Oh, the phone started ringing.
Oh, this changed.
Oh, I got this loan for thisbuilding, for my new apartment
building project, or whatever.
It just starts happening.
It just starts happening.
That's why the OT levels, lowerlevel, bridge, grade, auditing
and everything like that.
Do what they do Because you haveto get it.
(48:24):
You have to run up the bridge.
When you go slow, life goesslow.
Your flows go slow.
When you know that you'reknocking it out of the park
every day and you feel goodabout it.
That's when things changeovernight.
Putting in the work that stopsthe end of the, putting in the
work that stops the end of theworld, and it can and it will.
(48:45):
It doesn't take a lot of people.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I love your praise, lord.
Yeah, this is how we're doingit.
This is exactly how we're doingit.
You know what I love about forpeople who are, you know,
listening to this podcastwherever you are on planet Earth
fact that the ALGP ispositioned to serve humanity, no
matter where they are on planetEarth, as long as they have,
you know, ability to communicate.
(49:32):
That's fantastic.
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, and just this last week we've opened our doors
here at the org and we've gotroom for many people to come and
do services and be on courseand get in session with one of
our auditors For lack of abetter expression.
We do have a brick-and-mortarorg now and I want people to
(49:59):
come and I want them to come andspend a month, two months,
three months and get theirservices in person as well as
virtually.
It's a lot better and a lotquicker to get it done in person
, where you can go in sessiontwo, three times a day and you
can be on course and you can getthis stuff knocked out and get
(50:20):
it finished quickly.
South Africa is beautiful rightnow and it's nice and warm.
Down here the winters are verymild 70 degree days in basically
the North American version ofJanuary, which would be June,
july and August.
It's still 70 degrees, 65degrees, sunny.
(50:40):
It's a beautiful place.
It's just like LA, just alittle windier sometimes.
But we want you to come down,we want you to do the services.
We're trying to get Arthur here, we're trying to get Quentin
here.
We have students on courseright now.
There's all kinds of things tosee.
We have Addo Elephant Park,where you can go out and you can
(51:00):
see all of the African wildlifewithin 15 minutes of the org.
There's another one fiveminutes away from the org where
you can see everything exceptthe most dangerous the beasts.
There's so many things to do.
We're five minutes away from acrystal blue beach with white
sand, no trash, dolphins andwhales offshore that you can see
(51:22):
.
This is what we got for you.
We want you to come here.
We want you to do services.
If you can't do the virtualservices, until you can Come, do
services.
Come see us and be part of athird and fourth dynamic.
We're here and we want you todo this.
We're going to be advertisingthis in every podcast forward,
(51:43):
so any closing statements here.
Guys, I got to get in sessionwith a PC here in five minutes.
Any closing statements?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I just know that we're just going to do it.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, you just got to do it Once you decide, that's
all it is.
It's a decision, it's a posture, but quentin 100.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I just know that.
You know, as, as the worldturns and as things shift and
change in our society, and Ilike how arthur um made the
distinction between the end ofthe planet and the end of this
current way of expressing andthe current way of operating,
like I think what we're talkingabout here really is how are you
(52:30):
going to what?
How am I and I'll speak formyself how am I going to
position myself as things changein my environment?
Am I going to be able to adaptand to be able to create my own
universe, my own world withinthe world as we know it?
(52:53):
And I think that that's whatI've been really keen on for
many years now.
Some years ago, I was into awhole prepping.
Um, for many years now, someyears ago, I was into a whole
prepping.
You know the prepping lifestylewhere, you know, I had stuff
prepared just in case, you know,something happens or whatever.
But now I'm more of let meprepare me.
You know, let me prepare me.
Uh, the, the, the cupboards arenice, and you know, the bank
(53:17):
accounts are nice and all thatstuff is wonderful, you know,
but let me prepare me in casesomething happens, and if I'm,
if I'm me and I'm prepared to dome, I can do me effectively, no
matter what.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So that's right, let's do it, and that's that's
where.
Where it starts is it's got tostart there, ground zero.
Well, for Quentin and Artie.
We hope you guys enjoyed thispodcast and, uh, we will have
another one we're going to dotomorrow to try and at least get
two out tomorrow.
We hope you enjoyed it andwe'll see you then, namaste, and
(53:51):
we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.
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