March 31, 2025 • 40 mins
The journey up the Bridge in Independent Scientology often encounters unexpected roadblocks - not from external forces, but from patterns within ourselves. Jonathan and Quenton dive deep into the five most common barriers that keep people stuck despite their genuine desire for spiritual progress.
First, we examine how present time problems create the illusion of insurmountable obstacles. By understanding that problems are simply postulate-counter-postulate situations, we reveal how changing your considerations can transform these barriers into solvable challenges. The key lies in becoming "theta the solver" rather than remaining trapped in the problem's perspective.
Particularly fascinating is our discussion of withholds and their power-diminishing effects. As one listener experienced, simply completing an O/W write-up about financial concerns resulted in money suddenly flowing in - demonstrating how removing these withholds creates immediate, tangible results in your life.
Perhaps most insidious is what we call "analysis paralysis" - the tendency to think endlessly about spiritual progress without taking action. This pattern actually trains you to believe your postulates don't work, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of stagnation. We share practical, immediate steps you can take to break this cycle.
Throughout the episode, we introduce valuable resources like Finn, our AI assistant that provides free access to Scientology technology without requiring extensive research. Whether you're completely new or partway up the Bridge but feeling stuck, this discussion offers clear, actionable strategies to get moving again.
What's your attention avoiding right now? Your answer might reveal exactly what needs addressing to unlock your spiritual progress. Listen, reflect, and most importantly - take that first step toward becoming "willing to be willing."
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to another AOGP Scientology Outside of the
Church podcast brought to you bythe Advanced Org of the Great
Plains ao-gporg.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand today's podcast is Season 10
, Episode 28, the BiggestBarriers to Going Up the bridge
(00:25):
that most people have.
So first off, on deck, presenttime problems I've got to handle
this, I got to handle that, soon and so forth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Go ahead sure, well, and also, too, just want to kind
of like talk about why this iscoming up at this time.
Right, obviously, anybody whois tapping into the podcast, who
is engaged in the social mediaplatforms, is doing anything
that is allowing them to beconnected with what ALGP is
(00:59):
doing in the world.
World, there's something thatallows us to want to reach for
some kind of betterment, right,some kind of bridge, progress,
some kind of answer or solutionto our problems.
And if there's a reach for it,right, that is something that
could be had.
(01:20):
If you can reach, you can have.
It's something that could behad.
However, oftentimes what wefound is that these things keep
getting in the way, and thesethings that keep getting in the
way make it so seeminglydifficult for an individual to
go up the bridge, and it couldbe anywhere.
(01:40):
You are, like, if you're totallynew, totally raw public, uh,
and haven't done any bridgeactivity yet, haven't even done
a dianetic session or anythingof that nature, then that could
be where you are and you mighthave some trouble even starting
there.
Or if you already had some, uh,bridge activity, you already,
you know, gone partway up thebridge, or whatever case may be,
(02:01):
and want to go to, want to goclear, want to get your L's,
want to get your life repairs,want to get your OT levels done,
whatever it is, and yet stuffgets in the way.
So what we're going to do todayis we're going to break down
the top five reasons that peopleare keeping people from going
(02:22):
up the bridge.
That's stopping you from goingup the bridge, how we're going
to remedy them and what to doabout it.
And so, yeah, you're right.
Present time problems.
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Present time problems, a present time problem
.
On a personality test, on anOCA graph, there isn't any
improvement because the personis stuck in a problem.
So they have this.
I got to do this, I got to dothis.
I got to handle this.
I can't do anything else.
I got to handle this.
(02:52):
Well, first off, you need to betheta the solver, not theta the
problem.
How are you going to solve thispresent time problem or present
time problems?
Well, you're going to have togo from I have to have this in
order to do this, in order to bethis, be on the bridge, okay,
(03:12):
but you need to be a solver.
Handle a confusion by handlingone thing at a time within that
problem.
What's one thing you cancomfortably face about that and
get it handled?
Now, the amount of time, thattype of thing.
Yeah, those are considerations.
But in also getting intoconsiderations for a moment,
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what you consider to be true iswhat you consider to be true.
Considerations are senior tothe physical universe.
So, if you consider that youhave all these problems that
prevent you from getting up thebridge, oh, I can never go OT,
you know that type of thing,well, okay, so you've got some
present-time problems that arestopping you.
(03:55):
So what's one problem you canhandle right now?
By being theta, the solver ofthat problem.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, and what's interesting is the solver of
that problem.
Yeah, and what's interesting issomething as simple as pulling,
you know, pulling up your rootsand handling your roots right,
your rudiments, something assimple as that.
The first thing we talk aboutis just that Handling any are
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there any present time problems?
Or the handling any are thereany present time problems?
Or the second thing are thereany present time problems?
And if you look at your currentsituation right, you look at
your current situation you seewhat's right there seemingly
insurmountable odds,insurmountable tasks that need
to be done before I can doanything else.
It's insurmountable tasks thatneed to be done before I can do
anything else.
(04:45):
What's interesting is that ifyou go and find an earlier
similar problem, an earliersimilar problem, an earlier
similar problem, if you keepgoing, these problems in our
current world tend to resolve.
It's actually quite interestingto see it Like I've actually
seen it happen right, whereyou're dealing with this thing
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right here in front of you, andthat doesn't mean you don't have
to, you know.
You know, take out the trash orsomething like that, like you
still got to do it, but whateveris stopping you this is what
we're talking about Whatever'sstopping you from handling those
things.
Whatever's stopping you fromcompleting those cycles of
action, whatever's stopping you?
That's where we come in.
And so, quite honestly, numberone if a present time problem
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and that could be financial, itcould be not enough time, it
could be a host of differentthings, you know if these things
are stopping you from going upthe bridge, ironically enough,
the handle for that is to sitdown with one of us and have us
really go through your rudimentsand handle your rudiments to
make sure you were reallydealing with what it seems to be
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.
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Sure, sure, that's the thing is a present time
problem, is a rudiment.
It's one of the things that hasto be handled for a session to
occur.
You have to get these thingsout of the way.
Now in session, you talk aboutthe present time problem, say,
yeah, this is the problem.
The needle F ends Okay, now wegot that handled.
But when you're trying to get upthe bridge, you've got to find
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what it is that's holding youback.
That's a present time problem.
Do you consider it a problem?
If you consider it a problem ora stop, then it is a stop.
That's all there is to it.
So there, right, there is apresent time problem.
Change your consideration andgo how can I handle this?
(06:42):
What are the, what are thepossible solutions?
Write down those solutions andthen handle the one that's most
easily handleable and you'll gooh, okay, that's one out of the
way of however many things, thenthe next, and then the next,
and then you can get thesethings resolved because it's
only a present time problem.
If you consider it to be aproblem, that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And that brings us to actually what a problem is.
Because if you understand theanatomy of problems there's
actually a whole lecture on thisbut if you understand the
anatomy of problems, a problemis just postulate, counter
postulate.
That's right.
Right, postulate, counterpostulate.
So you have something that youwant to have done, something
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that you want to do, which isobviously go to the bridge or
take care of anything you wantto take care of, and there seems
to be, there's an appearance ofa counter postulate right, it
could be a terminal, counterterminal.
I'm trying to move forward andthere's something.
There's a police officer or acrossing guard says don't go,
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you can't move right, there's acounter terminal, right, force,
counter force.
So all of these things arereally the anatomy of problems.
And once you really understandwhat a problem is, you kind of
look at the situation and you'relike, oh, is that all?
It's just a counter, it's justa counter postulate, it's just a
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counter terminal, it's justsome counter force.
It's not, it's nothing that'sreally gonna stop you.
It's not really gonna stop you,it's just a counter to what
you're trying to accomplish orwhat you're trying to do.
It can't stop you unless youconsider it.
So that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And that is the consideration.
So if you have apostulate-counter-postulate,
your consideration may be yourpostulate that well, I can't do
this because I've got to do this, this and this.
Well, that's a postulate.
You've made the decision that Ican't do something.
Change your postulate.
You've made the decision that Ican't do something.
Change your postulate, Spotwhere you made that decision,
and then as is it, and then makeanother postulate.
(08:51):
That's it, Because the thingsyou postulate are the things
that stop you from doingeverything.
It's a decision about something.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's the anatomy of a problem is you can be your
own counter force with your owncounter posture, and it's
terrible go ahead no, I wasgonna say, and it's terrible
that it really comes down tolike how you, how you're
situating yourself, how you'repositioning yourself, because if
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a person is indecisive which,by the way, dianetics is amazing
for helping with indecision butif a person is indecisive, just
the indecisiveness is creatingits own counter, counter posture
.
Right, like you know, you knowyou want to do something, but
just the indecisiveness about it, right, that's creating a
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counterposh.
It's like I decided, I know Iwant to do it, but I haven't
decided that I'm going to or howI'm going to or what the and so
this indecision in and ofitself creates this
counterposhlet and you thentherefore cannot move out of the
problem.
It could be a relationship, itcould be, it could be a, like I
(10:10):
said, a financial situation, ajob situation.
Do I want to leave this job ordon't I?
What do I do?
I don't know.
And that indecisiveness canreally really slow you down when
it comes to making the bestmoves for yourself and your own
mental health.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, and LRH talks about maybes a lot in the root
to infinity lectures, and Ihighly recommend listening to
those lectures on a maybe whereit hangs you up just in a limbo
where you're not doing anything.
You're like, oh, you know, Idon't know, maybe okay, but you
got to decide, you got to getout of it.
You got to choose a vectordirection and go in it and get
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out of the maybe.
That's part of a present-timeproblem as well.
So that brings us to two lackof proper training in tech.
If you don't know the tech ofsomething, you will be the
adverse effect of it.
(11:04):
So where do you get the tech?
Well, you can get on our aogpwebsite or you can get on
college of independentscientologycom and you can get
on finn, our handy, dandy littleai that you can go in there and
you can ask it questions abouttech for free.
(11:27):
Let me repeat, for free.
You don't have to go pull up abunch of volumes and, do you
know, a bunch of research over10 hours when you have an ai,
that's that that's sponsored byus for free where you can go in
and you can ask it questionsabout the proper tech and you
can ask it direct questionsabout something in your life and
(11:51):
it will give you an answer,using independent Scientology,
both auditing and policy tech,and give you a solution to
something you don't.
I mean it sounds crazy, but youcan.
You can have it.
Give you examples of differentways that you can handle
something just by asking the AI.
(12:14):
That's pretty mind-blowing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's amazing and the fact that here at ALGP, we've
literally programmed and createdthis thing pulling from LRRH
material that it answers thequestions to life.
It's so simple, super simple,and I use this thing for real.
I really do use it where it'sjust like if anything's going on
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, there is solutions and answersto help you kind of navigate it
right.
And so if you have access tothe proper tech and you get into
a course, and get into a propercourse where you actually are
getting the training and youknow how to use this tech, you
drill it, you work it all ofthis is available to you and in
(13:04):
doing so, your solutions becomethat much more uh, uh, uh, like
it's right there, like yoursolutions are that much more
right there, because now I havewhat I need to know to do, what
I need to do.
You know better, you do better.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, you can go in there and you can say I have
this problem, I'm trying to getup the bridge and explain it to
the AI and then ask it for fivedifferent ways.
I could solve this problemusing LRH technology.
How about that?
Wow, that's pretty phenomenal.
(13:42):
Never before in history.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's pretty phenomenal and you can Never
before in history.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Never before in history can you do that.
So the lack of proper trainingin tech and the reason why we're
bringing this up from thisangle is because, yeah, it's a
real issue.
It's something that everybodysuffers from, where they don't
know where to look, they don'tknow what to call it, and you
can go in there and you can justexplain your situation and say
(14:07):
give me some technology to helphandle this present time problem
or whatever that you have goingon.
It doesn't matter what it is,it understands it.
So you don't have to.
You know, back in the past, itused to be well, I need to come
up with the money to do thiscourse to learn how to handle
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this problem.
No, you don't have to do thatnow, and I'm not saying you
shouldn't do courses, but what Iam saying is is, in order to
get you up the bridge faster,you can ask the ai and it'll
give you real life solutions onhow to handle your, your program
to get on the bridge muchfaster than it would if you
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didn't know where to look.
I mean, to me that's a crazy,crazy great solution to handling
whatever's going on with youwithout spending a dime, which
is, you know, money is a bigissue for people, so that's yeah
, that Go ahead which is, youknow, money is a big issue for
(15:09):
people, so that's the bestsolution that's ever been
offered.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, and it's free, it's backed by and
programmed with thinking, withLRH Tech as its code of
reference, its frame ofreference.
So that's I mean again, it'sjust a phenomenal, phenomenal,
(15:34):
free tool that is available, andso I definitely encourage you
guys to use that to get the knowthat you need to know.
And then, of course, you've gotto make the decision, which is
going back to number one makethe decision to start to
implement it so that you canstart to get some results and
some remedies in your life.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Exactly.
That brings us to number threewithholds.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Listen, the case.
Gain cannot be made amidstwithholds.
What they're really doing isthat they're suppressing or
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depressing or compressing orlessening, on whatever level,
their own power.
Withholds lessen you, lessenyour power, or it causes you to
lessen your own power.
Withholds cause you to lessenyour own power.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right, you withhold yourself from doing more harm,
keeps you out of an area.
So if you're not getting up thebridge, then a good chance.
You have some withholds thatyou need to get off and you can
go in.
And you can ask Finn, how do Ido an overt and withhold
write-up?
And it will give you the stepsfrom the OW policy on our AOGP
(17:11):
website or the College ofIndependent Scientologycom and
you can go in and ask it how doI do an OW write-up?
Give me an example of an OWwrite-up.
I mean wow.
And then you can sit down onceyou get some mass on how to do
an OW write up.
That's something you can do onyour own without having to pay
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an auditor to do it.
Granted, it's, it's, it's uh,it's more efficient to do it in
session.
But if you're having troublegetting on or up the bridge,
write down your overts andwithholds and you'll find that
as soon as you do that, thephone starts ringing.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, quite literally the phone starts ringing
because now you're reachingagain.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, that is so interesting.
Yeah, because, wow, this is,I'm actually having my own
cognition here.
It's really interesting becauseand it could be across Any of
your dynamics, across the board,in any area, in anything, I had
to do an OW's write up.
And in doing my OW's write up,particularly around a certain
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situation, money started Reallycoming in for me.
And now you just say what yousay the phone started, money
started coming in for me becauseI was able to like get off any
overs and withholds on my moneylines, just just by doing that,
and the money started coming in.
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And then get this and get this.
And so when other future moneyproblems right present time
problems, terminal, counterterminal when future financial
problems or future financialissues started coming up, I had
the money to handle that.
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But if I had never done the OWswrite it would have just been
yet another thing, yet anotherthing, yet another thing, yet
another bill.
You see what I'm saying.
And so I think that that, right, there is gold.
Right there is gold becausejust having these OWs and these
withholds, it prevents the casegain, hear me.
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It prevents the case gain thatyou're really reaching for.
We all got stuff right.
We all got stuff we want todeal with.
We all got stuff we want to getthrough, but withholds prevent
you from getting case gain.
And so if you want to get somebetterment or case gain in your
finances, if you want to getsome better or case gain in your
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relationships, if you want toget some betterment or case gain
in your health, do a write-up.
Put them OWs out, get it out.
It's going to change your life.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yep, and just go to the AI and ask it how do I do an
OW write-up?
Give me an example of an OWwrite-up, maybe on something
that you have a withhold on.
How would I do an OW write-upon a withhold of X?
And it'll give you an example,and then you go, oh, oh, oh, oh,
okay, I see how to do this andthen you can get those withholds
off.
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It really, really works.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That brings us to four.
What's four, Quentin?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Number four is one of the five top five barriers for
you going up the bridge.
Number four is not doinganything, just thinking,
thinking, thinking, thinking,thinking Right.
This is actually a thing wetalked earlier about being
decisive, making a decision, andnot doing something.
(20:59):
So you, as a spiritual being,you believe that your innate
awareness is that my postulatestick.
Your innate awareness, yourinnate knowingness is that my
postulate stick.
I do what I intend to do, right, that's just a natural innate
awareness as a being.
(21:20):
And yet, if you keepwithholding yourself, or you
keep pulling yourself back, orif you keep thinking, thinking,
thinking we call it analysis,paralysis If you keep thinking
over this stuff over and overand over again and never really
doing anything about it, right,You're actually kind of training
yourself almost that yourpostures don't stick, that your
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work don't work right, it's notworking.
It's not working for me, I don'tknow why it's not.
I don't stick that your workdon't work, right, it's not
working.
It's not working for me.
I don't know why it's not.
I don't know why does that workfor me?
I keep, I keep trying to paythese things off and I keep
getting back in this situation.
I keep trying to get out thissituation, but I keep getting
back into it.
This keeps happening to me.
Why is that?
You see, you?
You, you've convinced yourselfthat your postulates don't stick
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.
They don't work.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's a boss.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And so I yeah, it's a conclusion, is an intention.
Your intentions don't work.
This is what I want, this iswhat it is to be, and yet then
we don't do nothing about it.
Just don't give a call, don'tgive an email, don't give a
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message on Facebook, don't donothing about it.
And so you never go up thebridge, you never go clear.
Isn't that terrible?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Just because you didn't do nothing, no other
reason.
Yeah, I mean, if you're notputting any effort into it.
Okay, listening to a podcast Idon't know how many people we
have to say we'd love thepodcast.
They really inspire me.
That's doing something.
Doing something listening to alecture, listening to some
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podcasts podcasts are easy notmany words you have to look up.
We try to, you know, clarifythem and all that stuff in the
podcast as much as possible.
But doing something, you know,getting some involvement in it,
not just thinking about it andgoing.
You know, I do need to get upthe bridge.
I do need to get up the bridge.
I do need to get up the bridge.
(23:24):
All right, get inspired, get inthat space where you're starting
to think about this bylistening to podcasts, listening
to LRH lectures, reading a book, fundamentals of Thought,
newsland on Life, those types ofthings and imbue yourself into
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it, and then you'll find thatyou start thinking with it and
then, not doing something,you're doing something on the
subject, on the third dynamic,the first dynamic, and you'll
start to be able to apply thisstuff instead of just being in a
loop of well, I really need to,I really need to, I really need
to.
You've got to do somethingabout it.
(24:07):
And if you put something inmotion, that then puts something
, everything pushes everythingelse in this universe.
Think about that for a second.
How does electricity get made?
How does a car propel itselfdown the road?
It's one thing pushing againstanother.
Guess what.
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Guess what?
You are the alpha, you are theomega, you are the prime mover
in the physical universe.
If you're not doing anything,what's being moved, what's being
changed in the physicaluniverse?
(24:49):
Yes, yeah, nothing.
You have to get, have to havesomething.
You know.
You have to rub a little dirton it.
Get back in there, do it.
Listen to a podcast, listen toa lecture.
Put that book on the table.
Don't let the book just sitthere.
Turn a page, open the cover,start to read a couple of
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paragraphs, then you're moving.
You're even.
Then you're moving somethingand you'll start thinking about
it, start ruminating about itand then you'll, you'll go.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
I noticed that today.
That's how you get thingsmoving is is you have to push
some matter, energy, space andtime around, and that requires a
(25:32):
postulate.
I'm going to open the book.
That's a postulate.
That's a postulate.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know I love this and I totally agree that in this
universe, everything we live ina relative universe, like the
theory of relativity.
Right, we live in a relativeuniverse where one thing is
relative or related to somethingelse, and this is why I
encourage this is just me anddepending on where you are in
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your own comfort level, you candecide.
But I really encouragecommunication right, I really
really encourage communication.
Communication is a universalsolvent right.
With communication, we can fixanything.
We can solve anything as longas we do enough of that right.
With communication, we can fixanything.
We can solve anything as longas you know we do enough of that
right.
And so I encourage, yes, listento the podcast, listen to the
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lectures, clear your words, reada book, do the things that
needs to be done I totally agreewith that and get in
communication.
This is my little two centsright and get in communication.
Because what happens is is thatwhen you're able this is, I
think, as Einstein said, youcannot get out of a problem with
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the same mind as which that yougot into it with right.
So you can't get out of aproblem with the same mind, so
you're going to have to dosomething that enhances the way
you think, enhances your mind,enhances what you're working
with, and it could be.
Could be that having a calmcycle with me, with Jonathan,
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with somebody else within thecollege, with somebody else in
the comment section of thispodcast or whatever, somebody
else in the comment section ofthis podcast or whatever by
having a calm cycle and gettingsome common communication going
on, asking for help, saying thisis what's going on with me, I
need to know what tech I need tofind, I need to know the
reference, I need to knowwhatever, by getting in
communication, you're actuallychanging the mind that you got
(27:30):
into the problem with.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You're moving something around, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Moving particles.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Even if it's mental mass.
You got to move that mentalmass out of the way so that you
can think with something greaterthan what you've been.
You know what I'm saying, whatyou've been rocking with.
So I absolutely love thisbecause you now have a workable
solution to whatever's going on.
You got a workable solutionbecause you got to start
(28:02):
throwing some stuff around,throwing the cue ball to hit
another ball to go into thepocket.
Now we got to win.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I love it.
That's right.
And that brings us to numberfive Not getting the right
auditing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh gosh, this is huge .
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, now this is, you know, start, change, stop
type of thing.
Maybe you've gotten auditing inthe past, Maybe you haven't.
If you've gotten auditing inthe past, you know it works, but
you're still not moving.
Things aren't changing.
Maybe you need some case-cr.
Gotten auditing in the past,you know it works, but you're
still not moving.
Things aren't changing.
Maybe you need somecase-cracking auditing to get
things handled.
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That might start with doing someOW write-ups, doing some overts
and withholds, but in the end,not getting the right auditing
is what you need to have inorder to break whatever it is
that's keeping this situationoccurring.
That's the thing.
Whether it's PTS-ness, whetherit's perpetual thoughts, whether
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it's you keep having the sameproblems.
If you didn't get the rightauditing in the past and you're
still having these things happen, then you haven't gotten the
right auditing, because what youneed to have handled is what's
right in front of you.
That's stopping you fromgetting up the bridge.
So it's important to get theright auditing and just the
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indication, just the indicationof what it is that you need.
You need to get in touch withus and say this is what's
happening and we can say well,this sounds like this.
Let me show you this reference.
We can hop on zoom with you, wecan go over the reference with
you and say this is somethingthat will handle whatever it is
that is a roadblock in your life.
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Simple as that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And isn't that a part of what the life repair does?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, that's what life repair is for.
Is we find the things that aregoing on with you, that are
charged, that you have yourattention on right now, or the
things that your attention isavoiding?
Those are the two key questions.
What's your attention avoiding?
You don't, your attention isavoiding.
Those are the two key questionswhat's your attention avoiding
and what's your attention onthose are the things that that
need to be handled.
That's the right auditing thatneeds to be done.
So I'm not telling you to askyourself that, but I'm sure our
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listeners are going yeah, yeah,that's.
Yeah, that's what my attentionis on.
On the oh I don't want to thinkabout.
Okay, that's what needsauditing as well.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I guess I never thought about.
I never thought about what ismy, what is your attention
avoiding?
I never thought about that.
Huh, yeah, yeah, I guess Iguess yeah, if you don't want to
think about it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, what is your attention avoiding?
So getting the right auditingcomes from those two questions,
and those are super questionsthat we can get information from
and address it, even if it's ona non-auditing level, and say,
well, here's some tech that youcan handle this thing right now
to get started on it so that wecan get you in session.
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And there are lots and lots oftools that you can do on your
own, whether it's ethicsconditions or, like we said, ow
write-ups might be false data,stripping on something that's
holding you back in an area thatis just a mess.
There's something there youcan't think with, you can't
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confront, you can't handle.
So that's how you get to.
The right auditing is we need tofind out what your attention is
on and what your attention isavoiding to get the right
auditing and then we can write aprogram for you and get you in
session on Zoom in your own homewith a Theta meter and get it
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handled.
So you start moving up thebridge.
Things get unstuck.
This is what happens whenyou're not getting up the bridge
is you're at a point ofstuckness, it's a problem,
postulate, counter postulate,like we said earlier in number
one.
So getting the right auditingconsists of getting the
information on what it is thatis is keeping you in this
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situation, because if you'd hadthe right auditing, if you knew
it was wrong with you, itwouldn't be wrong with you.
Right, think about that.
So we need to find out what itis that you're not thinking with
and then getting itstraightened out that you don't
know about you're not thinkingwith, and then getting it
straightened out that you don'tknow about and that that takes,
as Quentin said earlier, thattakes some communication with
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one of us to help you find thatarea.
And then we can discharge thatarea through communication,
whether it's in session or outof session, and start providing
you with solutions, real lifesolutions that you can then
apply, and then start makingsome forward motion or tonar
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motion in the physical universeby getting things to start
moving to unblock you from beingable to get up the bridge.
That's brilliant, that's that.
So I hope this has been Goahead that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So I hope this has been go ahead.
No, I was just going to say Ithink that this is this is
really helpful, because evenwhen I was first on my journey
looking for an independentauditor independent Scientology
auditor, it was really importantto me.
Actually, these things that arelisted here, it was important
to me to handle my stuff first,like I knew I need to handle my
present time problems and Ineeded to make the decision that
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I was going to commit to doingsomething.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat at the time, but I was
going to commit to doingsomething to get myself back on
the bridge and get myself moving.
I had finished my purif and thewhole bit and I was like, okay,
I want to, I want to do this.
I had done some quads as far aslike the some of the grades
(34:02):
about communication and stufflike that, and I wanted to.
I wanted to continue, but foryears and I'm literally talking
about from what 2013, 2014.
So almost a decade about fromwhat 2013, 2014,.
So almost a decade like I hadbeen stalled right, I had been
(34:22):
stalled on my my bridge progress, because you know life happens
and you know my son and this isthat, just all this stuff.
And so when I'm when I startedlooking again and and as I was
vetting various possibleindependent Scientologists or
people out there in the field, Iwas trying to find somebody who
really could help me with thesethings, the biggest thing for
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me was a present-time problem.
I knew the tech and I was ableto access the tech, but I wanted
to make sure that I had it in,so training was really important
to me.
Or somebody who also had thetech and, but I wanted to make
sure that I had it in, sotraining was really important to
me.
Or somebody who also had thetech and training available.
Boy oh boy, those with holes,those with holes I had to get
those off.
And that's what really, really,I think, opened up a lot for me
(35:08):
, because I was willing to dothe work and do some activity
towards it, do some activitytowards it, but it was I wanted.
I wanted the right kind ofauditing, I wanted what was
going to work for me and notjust you know, or that's what we
do here, that's how I do it, orthat's my thing.
I wanted somebody who could dowhat I needed to get me up the
(35:31):
bridge, and when I found ALGP.
It was just that it was likeokay, you got the right tech,
you're clearly working withoriginal LRH materials.
Okay, I can listen to thelectures, I can get in on a
course on the college, I coulddo everything I needed to do,
and now I just need to move somestuff out of the way so I can
go ahead and pay for this andmake the moves I need to make,
(35:53):
and I did, and I'm not lookingback.
It's so fantastic.
So, yes, this is exactly theroute.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, it's easy to get unstuck when you have a
third dynamic working with youto help you get it handled.
We do it all the time, all thetime.
So I hope this has beenenlightening and illuminating.
Uh, there are other things aswell that we could get into, but
these are the top five and youknow there has to be a
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willingness.
You have to be willing.
You know if you're an apathy onit, you're not going to get
anywhere.
You need to get into action onthe tone scale, in In closing,
action by doing something,anything, anything, and handling
one particle of a confusion,handling one particle of the
problem.
Get into action, move up thetone scale.
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If you need to go out and takea walk and get your metabolism
going and get things rolling,get into action.
Go out and take a walk and then, coming back into the apartment
or the house and then look atit, handle it.
Handle one thing and get intoaction.
You have to be willing to getup the bridge and you have to
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ask yourself am I willing to getup the bridge?
Well, I know the tech works, Iknow it's done this for me, I
know it's done that for me.
Be willing.
If you're willing, you will beable.
So for Quentin and I, we hopeyou've enjoyed this podcast and
we will see you tomorrow foranother one.
We've got five lined up thisweek and keep looking for us.
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It really works so namaste, andwe love you, thank you.
Welcome to another AOGP Scientology Outside of the
Church podcast brought to you bythe Advanced Org of the Great
Plains ao-gporg.
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand today's podcast is Season 10
, Episode 28, the BiggestBarriers to Going Up the bridge
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that most people have.
So first off, on deck, presenttime problems I've got to handle
this, I got to handle that, soon and so forth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Go ahead sure, well, and also, too, just want to kind
of like talk about why this iscoming up at this time.
Right, obviously, anybody whois tapping into the podcast, who
is engaged in the social mediaplatforms, is doing anything
that is allowing them to beconnected with what ALGP is
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doing in the world.
World, there's something thatallows us to want to reach for
some kind of betterment, right,some kind of bridge, progress,
some kind of answer or solutionto our problems.
And if there's a reach for it,right, that is something that
could be had.
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If you can reach, you can have.
It's something that could behad.
However, oftentimes what wefound is that these things keep
getting in the way, and thesethings that keep getting in the
way make it so seeminglydifficult for an individual to
go up the bridge, and it couldbe anywhere.
(01:40):
You are, like, if you're totallynew, totally raw public, uh,
and haven't done any bridgeactivity yet, haven't even done
a dianetic session or anythingof that nature, then that could
be where you are and you mighthave some trouble even starting
there.
Or if you already had some, uh,bridge activity, you already,
you know, gone partway up thebridge, or whatever case may be,
(02:01):
and want to go to, want to goclear, want to get your L's,
want to get your life repairs,want to get your OT levels done,
whatever it is, and yet stuffgets in the way.
So what we're going to do todayis we're going to break down
the top five reasons that peopleare keeping people from going
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up the bridge.
That's stopping you from goingup the bridge, how we're going
to remedy them and what to doabout it.
And so, yeah, you're right.
Present time problems.
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Present time problems, a present time problem
.
On a personality test, on anOCA graph, there isn't any
improvement because the personis stuck in a problem.
So they have this.
I got to do this, I got to dothis.
I got to handle this.
I can't do anything else.
I got to handle this.
(02:52):
Well, first off, you need to betheta the solver, not theta the
problem.
How are you going to solve thispresent time problem or present
time problems?
Well, you're going to have togo from I have to have this in
order to do this, in order to bethis, be on the bridge, okay,
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but you need to be a solver.
Handle a confusion by handlingone thing at a time within that
problem.
What's one thing you cancomfortably face about that and
get it handled?
Now, the amount of time, thattype of thing.
Yeah, those are considerations.
But in also getting intoconsiderations for a moment,
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what you consider to be true iswhat you consider to be true.
Considerations are senior tothe physical universe.
So, if you consider that youhave all these problems that
prevent you from getting up thebridge, oh, I can never go OT,
you know that type of thing,well, okay, so you've got some
present-time problems that arestopping you.
(03:55):
So what's one problem you canhandle right now?
By being theta, the solver ofthat problem.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, and what's interesting is the solver of
that problem.
Yeah, and what's interesting issomething as simple as pulling,
you know, pulling up your rootsand handling your roots right,
your rudiments, something assimple as that.
The first thing we talk aboutis just that Handling any are
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there any present time problems?
Or the handling any are thereany present time problems?
Or the second thing are thereany present time problems?
And if you look at your currentsituation right, you look at
your current situation you seewhat's right there seemingly
insurmountable odds,insurmountable tasks that need
to be done before I can doanything else.
It's insurmountable tasks thatneed to be done before I can do
anything else.
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What's interesting is that ifyou go and find an earlier
similar problem, an earliersimilar problem, an earlier
similar problem, if you keepgoing, these problems in our
current world tend to resolve.
It's actually quite interestingto see it Like I've actually
seen it happen right, whereyou're dealing with this thing
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right here in front of you, andthat doesn't mean you don't have
to, you know.
You know, take out the trash orsomething like that, like you
still got to do it, but whateveris stopping you this is what
we're talking about Whatever'sstopping you from handling those
things.
Whatever's stopping you fromcompleting those cycles of
action, whatever's stopping you?
That's where we come in.
And so, quite honestly, numberone if a present time problem
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and that could be financial, itcould be not enough time, it
could be a host of differentthings, you know if these things
are stopping you from going upthe bridge, ironically enough,
the handle for that is to sitdown with one of us and have us
really go through your rudimentsand handle your rudiments to
make sure you were reallydealing with what it seems to be
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.
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Sure, sure, that's the thing is a present time
problem, is a rudiment.
It's one of the things that hasto be handled for a session to
occur.
You have to get these thingsout of the way.
Now in session, you talk aboutthe present time problem, say,
yeah, this is the problem.
The needle F ends Okay, now wegot that handled.
But when you're trying to get upthe bridge, you've got to find
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what it is that's holding youback.
That's a present time problem.
Do you consider it a problem?
If you consider it a problem ora stop, then it is a stop.
That's all there is to it.
So there, right, there is apresent time problem.
Change your consideration andgo how can I handle this?
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What are the, what are thepossible solutions?
Write down those solutions andthen handle the one that's most
easily handleable and you'll gooh, okay, that's one out of the
way of however many things, thenthe next, and then the next,
and then you can get thesethings resolved because it's
only a present time problem.
If you consider it to be aproblem, that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And that brings us to actually what a problem is.
Because if you understand theanatomy of problems there's
actually a whole lecture on thisbut if you understand the
anatomy of problems, a problemis just postulate, counter
postulate.
That's right.
Right, postulate, counterpostulate.
So you have something that youwant to have done, something
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that you want to do, which isobviously go to the bridge or
take care of anything you wantto take care of, and there seems
to be, there's an appearance ofa counter postulate right, it
could be a terminal, counterterminal.
I'm trying to move forward andthere's something.
There's a police officer or acrossing guard says don't go,
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you can't move right, there's acounter terminal, right, force,
counter force.
So all of these things arereally the anatomy of problems.
And once you really understandwhat a problem is, you kind of
look at the situation and you'relike, oh, is that all?
It's just a counter, it's justa counter postulate, it's just a
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counter terminal, it's justsome counter force.
It's not, it's nothing that'sreally gonna stop you.
It's not really gonna stop you,it's just a counter to what
you're trying to accomplish orwhat you're trying to do.
It can't stop you unless youconsider it.
So that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And that is the consideration.
So if you have apostulate-counter-postulate,
your consideration may be yourpostulate that well, I can't do
this because I've got to do this, this and this.
Well, that's a postulate.
You've made the decision that Ican't do something.
Change your postulate.
You've made the decision that Ican't do something.
Change your postulate, Spotwhere you made that decision,
and then as is it, and then makeanother postulate.
(08:51):
That's it, Because the thingsyou postulate are the things
that stop you from doingeverything.
It's a decision about something.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's the anatomy of a problem is you can be your
own counter force with your owncounter posture, and it's
terrible go ahead no, I wasgonna say, and it's terrible
that it really comes down tolike how you, how you're
situating yourself, how you'repositioning yourself, because if
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a person is indecisive which,by the way, dianetics is amazing
for helping with indecision butif a person is indecisive, just
the indecisiveness is creatingits own counter, counter posture
.
Right, like you know, you knowyou want to do something, but
just the indecisiveness about it, right, that's creating a
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counterposh.
It's like I decided, I know Iwant to do it, but I haven't
decided that I'm going to or howI'm going to or what the and so
this indecision in and ofitself creates this
counterposhlet and you thentherefore cannot move out of the
problem.
It could be a relationship, itcould be, it could be a, like I
(10:10):
said, a financial situation, ajob situation.
Do I want to leave this job ordon't I?
What do I do?
I don't know.
And that indecisiveness canreally really slow you down when
it comes to making the bestmoves for yourself and your own
mental health.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, and LRH talks about maybes a lot in the root
to infinity lectures, and Ihighly recommend listening to
those lectures on a maybe whereit hangs you up just in a limbo
where you're not doing anything.
You're like, oh, you know, Idon't know, maybe okay, but you
got to decide, you got to getout of it.
You got to choose a vectordirection and go in it and get
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out of the maybe.
That's part of a present-timeproblem as well.
So that brings us to two lackof proper training in tech.
If you don't know the tech ofsomething, you will be the
adverse effect of it.
(11:04):
So where do you get the tech?
Well, you can get on our aogpwebsite or you can get on
college of independentscientologycom and you can get
on finn, our handy, dandy littleai that you can go in there and
you can ask it questions abouttech for free.
(11:27):
Let me repeat, for free.
You don't have to go pull up abunch of volumes and, do you
know, a bunch of research over10 hours when you have an ai,
that's that that's sponsored byus for free where you can go in
and you can ask it questionsabout the proper tech and you
can ask it direct questionsabout something in your life and
(11:51):
it will give you an answer,using independent Scientology,
both auditing and policy tech,and give you a solution to
something you don't.
I mean it sounds crazy, but youcan.
You can have it.
Give you examples of differentways that you can handle
something just by asking the AI.
(12:14):
That's pretty mind-blowing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's amazing and the fact that here at ALGP, we've
literally programmed and createdthis thing pulling from LRRH
material that it answers thequestions to life.
It's so simple, super simple,and I use this thing for real.
I really do use it where it'sjust like if anything's going on
(12:39):
, there is solutions and answersto help you kind of navigate it
right.
And so if you have access tothe proper tech and you get into
a course, and get into a propercourse where you actually are
getting the training and youknow how to use this tech, you
drill it, you work it all ofthis is available to you and in
(13:04):
doing so, your solutions becomethat much more uh, uh, uh, like
it's right there, like yoursolutions are that much more
right there, because now I havewhat I need to know to do, what
I need to do.
You know better, you do better.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, you can go in there and you can say I have
this problem, I'm trying to getup the bridge and explain it to
the AI and then ask it for fivedifferent ways.
I could solve this problemusing LRH technology.
How about that?
Wow, that's pretty phenomenal.
(13:42):
Never before in history.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's pretty phenomenal and you can Never
before in history.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Never before in history can you do that.
So the lack of proper trainingin tech and the reason why we're
bringing this up from thisangle is because, yeah, it's a
real issue.
It's something that everybodysuffers from, where they don't
know where to look, they don'tknow what to call it, and you
can go in there and you can justexplain your situation and say
(14:07):
give me some technology to helphandle this present time problem
or whatever that you have goingon.
It doesn't matter what it is,it understands it.
So you don't have to.
You know, back in the past, itused to be well, I need to come
up with the money to do thiscourse to learn how to handle
(14:27):
this problem.
No, you don't have to do thatnow, and I'm not saying you
shouldn't do courses, but what Iam saying is is, in order to
get you up the bridge faster,you can ask the ai and it'll
give you real life solutions onhow to handle your, your program
to get on the bridge muchfaster than it would if you
(14:48):
didn't know where to look.
I mean, to me that's a crazy,crazy great solution to handling
whatever's going on with youwithout spending a dime, which
is, you know, money is a bigissue for people, so that's yeah
, that Go ahead which is, youknow, money is a big issue for
(15:09):
people, so that's the bestsolution that's ever been
offered.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, and it's free, it's backed by and
programmed with thinking, withLRH Tech as its code of
reference, its frame ofreference.
So that's I mean again, it'sjust a phenomenal, phenomenal,
(15:34):
free tool that is available, andso I definitely encourage you
guys to use that to get the knowthat you need to know.
And then, of course, you've gotto make the decision, which is
going back to number one makethe decision to start to
implement it so that you canstart to get some results and
some remedies in your life.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Exactly.
That brings us to number threewithholds.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Listen, the case.
Gain cannot be made amidstwithholds.
What they're really doing isthat they're suppressing or
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depressing or compressing orlessening, on whatever level,
their own power.
Withholds lessen you, lessenyour power, or it causes you to
lessen your own power.
Withholds cause you to lessenyour own power.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right, you withhold yourself from doing more harm,
keeps you out of an area.
So if you're not getting up thebridge, then a good chance.
You have some withholds thatyou need to get off and you can
go in.
And you can ask Finn, how do Ido an overt and withhold
write-up?
And it will give you the stepsfrom the OW policy on our AOGP
(17:11):
website or the College ofIndependent Scientologycom and
you can go in and ask it how doI do an OW write-up?
Give me an example of an OWwrite-up.
I mean wow.
And then you can sit down onceyou get some mass on how to do
an OW write up.
That's something you can do onyour own without having to pay
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an auditor to do it.
Granted, it's, it's, it's uh,it's more efficient to do it in
session.
But if you're having troublegetting on or up the bridge,
write down your overts andwithholds and you'll find that
as soon as you do that, thephone starts ringing.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, quite literally the phone starts ringing
because now you're reachingagain.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, that is so interesting.
Yeah, because, wow, this is,I'm actually having my own
cognition here.
It's really interesting becauseand it could be across Any of
your dynamics, across the board,in any area, in anything, I had
to do an OW's write up.
And in doing my OW's write up,particularly around a certain
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situation, money started Reallycoming in for me.
And now you just say what yousay the phone started, money
started coming in for me becauseI was able to like get off any
overs and withholds on my moneylines, just just by doing that,
and the money started coming in.
(18:46):
And then get this and get this.
And so when other future moneyproblems right present time
problems, terminal, counterterminal when future financial
problems or future financialissues started coming up, I had
the money to handle that.
(19:10):
But if I had never done the OWswrite it would have just been
yet another thing, yet anotherthing, yet another thing, yet
another bill.
You see what I'm saying.
And so I think that that, right, there is gold.
Right there is gold becausejust having these OWs and these
withholds, it prevents the casegain, hear me.
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It prevents the case gain thatyou're really reaching for.
We all got stuff right.
We all got stuff we want todeal with.
We all got stuff we want to getthrough, but withholds prevent
you from getting case gain.
And so if you want to get somebetterment or case gain in your
finances, if you want to getsome better or case gain in your
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relationships, if you want toget some betterment or case gain
in your health, do a write-up.
Put them OWs out, get it out.
It's going to change your life.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yep, and just go to the AI and ask it how do I do an
OW write-up?
Give me an example of an OWwrite-up, maybe on something
that you have a withhold on.
How would I do an OW write-upon a withhold of X?
And it'll give you an example,and then you go, oh, oh, oh, oh,
okay, I see how to do this andthen you can get those withholds
off.
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It really, really works.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That brings us to four.
What's four, Quentin?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Number four is one of the five top five barriers for
you going up the bridge.
Number four is not doinganything, just thinking,
thinking, thinking, thinking,thinking Right.
This is actually a thing wetalked earlier about being
decisive, making a decision, andnot doing something.
(20:59):
So you, as a spiritual being,you believe that your innate
awareness is that my postulatestick.
Your innate awareness, yourinnate knowingness is that my
postulate stick.
I do what I intend to do, right, that's just a natural innate
awareness as a being.
(21:20):
And yet, if you keepwithholding yourself, or you
keep pulling yourself back, orif you keep thinking, thinking,
thinking we call it analysis,paralysis If you keep thinking
over this stuff over and overand over again and never really
doing anything about it, right,You're actually kind of training
yourself almost that yourpostures don't stick, that your
(21:43):
work don't work right, it's notworking.
It's not working for me, I don'tknow why it's not.
I don't stick that your workdon't work, right, it's not
working.
It's not working for me.
I don't know why it's not.
I don't know why does that workfor me?
I keep, I keep trying to paythese things off and I keep
getting back in this situation.
I keep trying to get out thissituation, but I keep getting
back into it.
This keeps happening to me.
Why is that?
You see, you?
You, you've convinced yourselfthat your postulates don't stick
(22:07):
.
They don't work.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's a boss.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And so I yeah, it's a conclusion, is an intention.
Your intentions don't work.
This is what I want, this iswhat it is to be, and yet then
we don't do nothing about it.
Just don't give a call, don'tgive an email, don't give a
(22:32):
message on Facebook, don't donothing about it.
And so you never go up thebridge, you never go clear.
Isn't that terrible?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Just because you didn't do nothing, no other
reason.
Yeah, I mean, if you're notputting any effort into it.
Okay, listening to a podcast Idon't know how many people we
have to say we'd love thepodcast.
They really inspire me.
That's doing something.
Doing something listening to alecture, listening to some
(23:03):
podcasts podcasts are easy notmany words you have to look up.
We try to, you know, clarifythem and all that stuff in the
podcast as much as possible.
But doing something, you know,getting some involvement in it,
not just thinking about it andgoing.
You know, I do need to get upthe bridge.
I do need to get up the bridge.
I do need to get up the bridge.
(23:24):
All right, get inspired, get inthat space where you're starting
to think about this bylistening to podcasts, listening
to LRH lectures, reading a book, fundamentals of Thought,
newsland on Life, those types ofthings and imbue yourself into
(23:44):
it, and then you'll find thatyou start thinking with it and
then, not doing something,you're doing something on the
subject, on the third dynamic,the first dynamic, and you'll
start to be able to apply thisstuff instead of just being in a
loop of well, I really need to,I really need to, I really need
to.
You've got to do somethingabout it.
(24:07):
And if you put something inmotion, that then puts something
, everything pushes everythingelse in this universe.
Think about that for a second.
How does electricity get made?
How does a car propel itselfdown the road?
It's one thing pushing againstanother.
Guess what.
(24:28):
Guess what?
You are the alpha, you are theomega, you are the prime mover
in the physical universe.
If you're not doing anything,what's being moved, what's being
changed in the physicaluniverse?
(24:49):
Yes, yeah, nothing.
You have to get, have to havesomething.
You know.
You have to rub a little dirton it.
Get back in there, do it.
Listen to a podcast, listen toa lecture.
Put that book on the table.
Don't let the book just sitthere.
Turn a page, open the cover,start to read a couple of
(25:12):
paragraphs, then you're moving.
You're even.
Then you're moving somethingand you'll start thinking about
it, start ruminating about itand then you'll, you'll go.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
I noticed that today.
That's how you get thingsmoving is is you have to push
some matter, energy, space andtime around, and that requires a
(25:32):
postulate.
I'm going to open the book.
That's a postulate.
That's a postulate.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know I love this and I totally agree that in this
universe, everything we live ina relative universe, like the
theory of relativity.
Right, we live in a relativeuniverse where one thing is
relative or related to somethingelse, and this is why I
encourage this is just me anddepending on where you are in
(26:00):
your own comfort level, you candecide.
But I really encouragecommunication right, I really
really encourage communication.
Communication is a universalsolvent right.
With communication, we can fixanything.
We can solve anything as longas we do enough of that right.
With communication, we can fixanything.
We can solve anything as longas you know we do enough of that
right.
And so I encourage, yes, listento the podcast, listen to the
(26:24):
lectures, clear your words, reada book, do the things that
needs to be done I totally agreewith that and get in
communication.
This is my little two centsright and get in communication.
Because what happens is is thatwhen you're able this is, I
think, as Einstein said, youcannot get out of a problem with
(26:46):
the same mind as which that yougot into it with right.
So you can't get out of aproblem with the same mind, so
you're going to have to dosomething that enhances the way
you think, enhances your mind,enhances what you're working
with, and it could be.
Could be that having a calmcycle with me, with Jonathan,
(27:08):
with somebody else within thecollege, with somebody else in
the comment section of thispodcast or whatever, somebody
else in the comment section ofthis podcast or whatever by
having a calm cycle and gettingsome common communication going
on, asking for help, saying thisis what's going on with me, I
need to know what tech I need tofind, I need to know the
reference, I need to knowwhatever, by getting in
communication, you're actuallychanging the mind that you got
(27:30):
into the problem with.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You're moving something around, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Moving particles.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Even if it's mental mass.
You got to move that mentalmass out of the way so that you
can think with something greaterthan what you've been.
You know what I'm saying, whatyou've been rocking with.
So I absolutely love thisbecause you now have a workable
solution to whatever's going on.
You got a workable solutionbecause you got to start
(28:02):
throwing some stuff around,throwing the cue ball to hit
another ball to go into thepocket.
Now we got to win.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I love it.
That's right.
And that brings us to numberfive Not getting the right
auditing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh gosh, this is huge .
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, now this is, you know, start, change, stop
type of thing.
Maybe you've gotten auditing inthe past, Maybe you haven't.
If you've gotten auditing inthe past, you know it works, but
you're still not moving.
Things aren't changing.
Maybe you need some case-cr.
Gotten auditing in the past,you know it works, but you're
still not moving.
Things aren't changing.
Maybe you need somecase-cracking auditing to get
things handled.
(28:41):
That might start with doing someOW write-ups, doing some overts
and withholds, but in the end,not getting the right auditing
is what you need to have inorder to break whatever it is
that's keeping this situationoccurring.
That's the thing.
Whether it's PTS-ness, whetherit's perpetual thoughts, whether
(29:07):
it's you keep having the sameproblems.
If you didn't get the rightauditing in the past and you're
still having these things happen, then you haven't gotten the
right auditing, because what youneed to have handled is what's
right in front of you.
That's stopping you fromgetting up the bridge.
So it's important to get theright auditing and just the
(29:29):
indication, just the indicationof what it is that you need.
You need to get in touch withus and say this is what's
happening and we can say well,this sounds like this.
Let me show you this reference.
We can hop on zoom with you, wecan go over the reference with
you and say this is somethingthat will handle whatever it is
that is a roadblock in your life.
(29:52):
Simple as that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And isn't that a part of what the life repair does?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, that's what life repair is for.
Is we find the things that aregoing on with you, that are
charged, that you have yourattention on right now, or the
things that your attention isavoiding?
Those are the two key questions.
What's your attention avoiding?
You don't, your attention isavoiding.
Those are the two key questionswhat's your attention avoiding
and what's your attention onthose are the things that that
need to be handled.
That's the right auditing thatneeds to be done.
So I'm not telling you to askyourself that, but I'm sure our
(30:29):
listeners are going yeah, yeah,that's.
Yeah, that's what my attentionis on.
On the oh I don't want to thinkabout.
Okay, that's what needsauditing as well.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I guess I never thought about.
I never thought about what ismy, what is your attention
avoiding?
I never thought about that.
Huh, yeah, yeah, I guess Iguess yeah, if you don't want to
think about it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, what is your attention avoiding?
So getting the right auditingcomes from those two questions,
and those are super questionsthat we can get information from
and address it, even if it's ona non-auditing level, and say,
well, here's some tech that youcan handle this thing right now
to get started on it so that wecan get you in session.
(31:11):
And there are lots and lots oftools that you can do on your
own, whether it's ethicsconditions or, like we said, ow
write-ups might be false data,stripping on something that's
holding you back in an area thatis just a mess.
There's something there youcan't think with, you can't
(31:32):
confront, you can't handle.
So that's how you get to.
The right auditing is we need tofind out what your attention is
on and what your attention isavoiding to get the right
auditing and then we can write aprogram for you and get you in
session on Zoom in your own homewith a Theta meter and get it
(31:55):
handled.
So you start moving up thebridge.
Things get unstuck.
This is what happens whenyou're not getting up the bridge
is you're at a point ofstuckness, it's a problem,
postulate, counter postulate,like we said earlier in number
one.
So getting the right auditingconsists of getting the
information on what it is thatis is keeping you in this
(32:17):
situation, because if you'd hadthe right auditing, if you knew
it was wrong with you, itwouldn't be wrong with you.
Right, think about that.
So we need to find out what itis that you're not thinking with
and then getting itstraightened out that you don't
know about you're not thinkingwith, and then getting it
straightened out that you don'tknow about and that that takes,
as Quentin said earlier, thattakes some communication with
(32:38):
one of us to help you find thatarea.
And then we can discharge thatarea through communication,
whether it's in session or outof session, and start providing
you with solutions, real lifesolutions that you can then
apply, and then start makingsome forward motion or tonar
(32:58):
motion in the physical universeby getting things to start
moving to unblock you from beingable to get up the bridge.
That's brilliant, that's that.
So I hope this has been Goahead that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So I hope this has been go ahead.
No, I was just going to say Ithink that this is this is
really helpful, because evenwhen I was first on my journey
looking for an independentauditor independent Scientology
auditor, it was really importantto me.
Actually, these things that arelisted here, it was important
to me to handle my stuff first,like I knew I need to handle my
present time problems and Ineeded to make the decision that
(33:40):
I was going to commit to doingsomething.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat at the time, but I was
going to commit to doingsomething to get myself back on
the bridge and get myself moving.
I had finished my purif and thewhole bit and I was like, okay,
I want to, I want to do this.
I had done some quads as far aslike the some of the grades
(34:02):
about communication and stufflike that, and I wanted to.
I wanted to continue, but foryears and I'm literally talking
about from what 2013, 2014.
So almost a decade about fromwhat 2013, 2014,.
So almost a decade like I hadbeen stalled right, I had been
(34:22):
stalled on my my bridge progress, because you know life happens
and you know my son and this isthat, just all this stuff.
And so when I'm when I startedlooking again and and as I was
vetting various possibleindependent Scientologists or
people out there in the field, Iwas trying to find somebody who
really could help me with thesethings, the biggest thing for
(34:46):
me was a present-time problem.
I knew the tech and I was ableto access the tech, but I wanted
to make sure that I had it in,so training was really important
to me.
Or somebody who also had thetech and, but I wanted to make
sure that I had it in, sotraining was really important to
me.
Or somebody who also had thetech and training available.
Boy oh boy, those with holes,those with holes I had to get
those off.
And that's what really, really,I think, opened up a lot for me
(35:08):
, because I was willing to dothe work and do some activity
towards it, do some activitytowards it, but it was I wanted.
I wanted the right kind ofauditing, I wanted what was
going to work for me and notjust you know, or that's what we
do here, that's how I do it, orthat's my thing.
I wanted somebody who could dowhat I needed to get me up the
(35:31):
bridge, and when I found ALGP.
It was just that it was likeokay, you got the right tech,
you're clearly working withoriginal LRH materials.
Okay, I can listen to thelectures, I can get in on a
course on the college, I coulddo everything I needed to do,
and now I just need to move somestuff out of the way so I can
go ahead and pay for this andmake the moves I need to make,
(35:53):
and I did, and I'm not lookingback.
It's so fantastic.
So, yes, this is exactly theroute.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, it's easy to get unstuck when you have a
third dynamic working with youto help you get it handled.
We do it all the time, all thetime.
So I hope this has beenenlightening and illuminating.
Uh, there are other things aswell that we could get into, but
these are the top five and youknow there has to be a
(36:23):
willingness.
You have to be willing.
You know if you're an apathy onit, you're not going to get
anywhere.
You need to get into action onthe tone scale, in In closing,
action by doing something,anything, anything, and handling
one particle of a confusion,handling one particle of the
problem.
Get into action, move up thetone scale.
(36:46):
If you need to go out and takea walk and get your metabolism
going and get things rolling,get into action.
Go out and take a walk and then, coming back into the apartment
or the house and then look atit, handle it.
Handle one thing and get intoaction.
You have to be willing to getup the bridge and you have to
(37:06):
ask yourself am I willing to getup the bridge?
Well, I know the tech works, Iknow it's done this for me, I
know it's done that for me.
Be willing.
If you're willing, you will beable.
So for Quentin and I, we hopeyou've enjoyed this podcast and
we will see you tomorrow foranother one.
We've got five lined up thisweek and keep looking for us.
(37:28):
You'll get a notification onYouTube or any of your favorite
podcast platforms.
Make sure you check out thecollege of independent
scientologycom.
Go use finn or ai a littlerobot in the bottom right hand
corner of the screen or ao-gporg.
Ask it some questions, get intoaction, be willing to
communicate with finn and throwin there whatever you want and
(37:52):
get the information that youneed to apply it and put it in
the physical universe.
And keep listening to thepodcast.
We've got almost 150 of them.
Do that.
Listen to a different podcastevery day, get yourself inspired
, bring yourself up the tonescale.
It really works so namaste, andwe love you, thank you.
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