April 3, 2025 • 49 mins
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What drives someone to dedicate their life to helping others through spiritual technology? In this deeply personal conversation, three Independent Scientology Auditors pull back the curtain on their journeys and the extraordinary phenomena they've witnessed.
Randy, Quentin, and Mateo share remarkable stories of transformation—both their own and those they've facilitated. From physical healings that defy medical explanation to profound spiritual breakthroughs, these auditors reveal how L. Ron Hubbard's techniques have changed their understanding of human potential. Quentin describes how auditing completely resolved his vision problems and lifelong allergies, while Mateo explains how the training gave him an uncanny ability to read people and make better life choices.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as they discuss witnessing prenatal memories, encountering spiritual entities, and using simple "assists" that produce immediate physical healing. Randy recounts a hospital visit where a simple procedure helped a brain tumor patient dramatically improve within minutes. Mateo shares his experience with the fever assist—watching someone's temperature normalize in just five minutes through a single process.
What emerges is a portrait of dedicated practitioners who've found purpose in offering something they believe transcends conventional therapy and medicine. As Randy describes it: "It's never the same thing twice...you're shooting an arrow into the heart of aberration and totally giving this person a new lease on life from something they didn't even know was bothering them."
Whether you're curious about Scientology practices outside the Church, interested in alternative spiritual technologies, or simply fascinated by stories of remarkable human experiences, this episode offers rare insights into a world few get to glimpse. Listen and decide for yourself: could these techniques hold keys to potential we haven't fully explored?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to another Independent Scientology Outside
of the Church podcast brought toyou by AOGPorg, AO-GPorg and
the College of IndependentScientologycom.
This is Season 10, Episode 30,why I Became an Independent
Scientology Auditor, and we haveas our special guest Mateo
(00:24):
Kemsley, who is our residentClass 4, almost Class 5 Auditor,
one of two besides myself hereat AOGP.
He's been working at it forabout a year and a half now and
this is his first second time onthe podcast, isn't it?
Yeah, it's the second time.
Yeah, second time on thepodcast.
And then Quentin's the secondtime.
(00:45):
Yeah, second time on thepodcast.
And then quentin is here aswell.
How are you, quentin?
I'm doing fantastic great, solet's get the ball rolling here.
Why did you become anindependent scientology auditor,
quentin?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, well, for me, I'm going to say honestly, it
was kind of selfish.
I was interested in spiritualfreedom, spiritual attainment.
I've always been that way, evenas a youngster, and so
everybody knows that you followthe podcast, that I grew up as a
Jehovah's Witness, and so I wasknown around my community and
(01:27):
stuff like that.
I can knock a door down, Iknock a door down.
And so, for me, religion,spirituality, that whole thing
really really always appealed tome.
And when I discoveredScientology in 2002, 23, 24
years ago, when I discoveredScientology in 2002, it just
(01:48):
made sense.
It made sense to me how themind works and how you know as a
being you are and stuff.
So I wanted to be a part ofthat and I wanted to get the
gains that come along with it.
And it wasn't until around 2006that I started uh, co-auditing,
Dianetics, co-auditing, and therest is history.
(02:09):
Like it just became secondnature to me.
So I've I've been doing thisfor quite some time now and
loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So what, what, what did you get out of it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
For me, particularly with Dianetics auditing, it
helped me to repair my skullsI'm not just talking about my
eyesight, okay my physicalcornea reshaped with LASIK,
(02:46):
without all the whatever,whatever like my cornea was very
jagged and, and the time showedme, on the little thing, uh, my
cornea was very jagged and Ihad really bad astigmatism and
used to have to wear toriclenses, these really sick
contact lenses which my eyes,and from there I like, literally
(03:08):
my cornea, reshaped to aperfectly smooth cornea,
eyesight repair, 20, 20 vision,the whole bit.
And then I had a very, very badgrass allergy and bananas, grass
and bananas and had no idea why, and all of my life as a kid,
dealing with grass allergy, Icouldn't be around fresh cut
(03:29):
grass, the whole bit.
And it was in DianeticsAuditing that I found out
exactly what was hanging me upwith my grass allergy and it was
nothing.
It had nothing to do withantihistamines and popping peels
and it was some crazy stuff.
And I repaired my, my grassalgae as well no longer allergic
(03:51):
to grass, no longer allergic tobananas.
Um, yeah, so for me and I'm notsaying I went in for a any kind
of physical, uh, betterment,but those are the things that
really, really hit me hard umwith my benefits of getting out
of dynamics auditing what didyou, what did you get out of it
(04:12):
in becoming an auditor?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
what did you get out of it that way?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
oh and oh, I see what you're saying.
Um, I would say becoming anauditor really helped me to
understand people, understandthe mind, understand why people
do fucked up things like,understand how crazy life can be
and and and.
No, not to the individualnecessarily, but when people do
(04:40):
aberrated and messed up thingsin this world, you kind of have
a bit of empathy about them onsome level, still holding them
accountable to their actions,but kind of understanding like,
okay, you're dealing with somestuff, you know what I mean.
And so being an auditor helpedme understand people a lot
(05:01):
better, helped me develop ahigher level of empathy and then
allowed me to kind of deal withpeople from that position and
it changed my life.
It changed my life as itrelates to relationships going
through an abusive relationshipfor five years.
It changed my life in so manyways that I didn't feel like I
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was a victim anymore.
I didn't feel like I had toblame other people.
I felt like I get it now.
So that was a really big winfor me being an auditor.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Matt, how about you?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, for me, the reason I became an auditor was
because for the vast majority ofmy life I was treated like shit
and I know how it can affectsomeone when you're treated like
shit and I know how emotionallytaxing it can be to go through
(05:57):
life with you know variousdifferent things people
experiences and I didn't wantpeople to go through that the
same way I did, because it's noteasy and I wanted to be able to
help people and get themthrough that without any hassle.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What have you got out of your auditor training?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, this is kind of a two-part answer.
Number one it's allowed me toread people better, in a good
way.
For example, I recently hadquite a few friends.
I had this big group of friendsof like 15 people.
We would go out constantly,every weekend, and I really
thought that they were friends.
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I thought I could count on them.
Friends, you know, I thought Icould count on them.
Unfortunately, after a whileafter, as I got deeper into my
training and deeper into beingable to tell certain
personalities apart, I startedseeing that, okay, these people
are actually not good for me andI need to distance myself.
And it's allowed me to look atpeople in general and just be
(07:06):
like, okay, that's what's goingon here.
I see what they're doing, I seewhat it's going to turn into.
I don't want to be a part of itor or even the exact opposite.
I see what people are doing, Isee what they're saying, I see
how they're acting and I'm like,hey, I, I understand what's
going on and I can help themshould they want to help
themselves.
And yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I want from my auditor that part right there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, look, you can't help people if they don't want
to help themselves.
That's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Mm-hmm.
So, since you've been doingauditing, what did you
experience with your PCs?
What kind of realizations did?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
you have in delivering that auditing.
Everyone's the same in a very,very small way, and what I mean
by that is everybody has a I'mgoing to use a Scientology term
here everyone has a reactivemind and, at the end of the day,
everyone gets affected by anumerous amount of things, and
(08:16):
it's up to us as auditors to beable to help them and better
their lives again, as long asthey want to better themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Right Anything else you've pulled out of the
training that you've been doingthat you know well, like
recently on your class fivecourse.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, the class five course is the neurodianetics
course.
From there, what I've beenseeing is that.
Sorry, great, I didn't have ananswer for that question.
(08:58):
What happened?
I don't have an answer for thatquestion you don't have an
answer for that question.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
You don't have an answer for that question.
No, I mean, you said you weretelling me the other day that
you really enjoyed this course.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's what I was talking about, sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, okay, I have genuinely been enjoying this
course because, for the firsttime in a while, I'm looking at
it from a different perspective.
I've been doing Dianeticsauditing for a few months now
and you know, after a while itkind of just gets repetitive in
a sense that, okay, I know whatI'm doing, I know what to do.
(09:37):
I'm going in session, it's goingto take an hour, an hour or two
, and then I'm done.
It's the same thing Now withNew Era Dianeticsetics.
What I found is that it adds anew curveball to the entire
situation, one that I'm actuallyreally, really excited to do,
because it allows you to get tothe precise nitty-gritty parts
(09:57):
of a dionetic chain, becauseyou're using the meter now, and
for me this is going to sound alittle weird, but I'm looking
forward to it because it soundslike a lot of fun.
How so Sounds like.
Well, as I said, it's veryrepetitive.
So for me, going through thesame incident over and over
(10:20):
again, yes, it's a good thing,but for me, as an auditor, it
can get a little boring.
However, now that I've got themeter, I've got a new tool to
play with, I've got somethingelse that adds a little bit of
excitement to each session.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's awesome, yeah, yeah, I get that.
I will say that, for me, likebeing able to see the
manifestations on the person'sface, um, I'm just talking about
, from an artist's perspective,seeing the manifestation on a
person's face, seeing kind ofwhat they're like, reliving.
(10:58):
They're like reliving thisexperience.
Yeah, I've seen, I've seen insession, sunburns turn on in
people's bodies, um, like, justlike they just kind of started
coming bloodshot red justsitting there in a chair in an
air-conditioned room.
You know, I've seen all kind ofmanifestations that turn on, uh
(11:20):
, when doing auditing, becauseyou're actually going back and
you're reliving, you'rere-experiencing these incidents,
and so you know, yeah, the, thethe actual auditing technique
is quite simple and it's thesame steps you know over and
over and over again, uh, whichthat's what allows anybody to be
able to do it Right.
But, all in all, you know,being able to see that person
(11:43):
kind of go through all thatstuff is really, really
interesting to me, um, and it'slike, wow, like you really in it
, and yeah, yeah yeah, I, I, youknow the the things that I've
seen.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, first of all, you know why.
Why did I become an independent, independent Scientology
auditor?
Well, I became a Scientologyauditor first back in 1988.
And I did it because I wantedto help people.
And I started out with doingbook one, just like Matteo did
at the org, and my first sessionwas a prenatal session, where
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the person went before they wereborn and there was an attempted
abortion and I used to inreading Dianetics I used to
think, gosh, this guy just talksabout and you know, I've been a
Scientologist my whole life.
When I say this guy, I mean LRon Hubbard, and I said this you
know he talks about prenatalsand abortions, failed abortions
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and all of this stuff so much.
You know this can't be the caseand my first session was that
you got him.
You got the big slice of thecake, yeah yeah, and she was
crying and she was, you know,just, I mean going through the
whole thing and going throughrevivification.
(13:02):
It was revived completely andeverything, and it almost felt
bad.
I was making her feel this way,but there was so much trauma
going on in that situation andshe could hear what the mother
and father were saying and allthis stuff because it was tried
at home and you know, it wasjust phenomenal and I saw that
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and I was like, you know, it wasjust phenomenal and I saw that
and I was like, you know, notfrom a viewpoint of you know, a
nefarious viewpoint but howpowerful this is and something
so simple can be so, so powerful, and I thought this is what I
want to do.
This is not something everybodyelse does.
(13:45):
I've never seen anything likethis before.
You know, at the time you knowhow do I say it you know I'm a
past life Scientologist I didn'tknow it then and it just it was
.
It was the same feels then, asit was last lifetime, and and
(14:05):
how something on the printedpage can be taken and applied
towards somebody and it works.
And you, and there you knowit's of course, you know, you,
you do math and you put it onpaper and stuff like that and
you, you get this result.
But when it's with somebody'slife and that they feel this
relief and you see their spacechange, you see their face
(14:29):
change, you see, I mean you'rejust so many things, and they
come up to you and they tell youI'm sorry, I'm trying to keep
my my act together here.
They come up and they tell youhow much, how much you've
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changed their life.
You're just, you're just a man.
You know that you're takingsomething somebody else did and
it it's.
It is the most humbling and itis the most I love my job
feeling that you can ever haveand I feel very strongly about
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it.
As you can see, I take my jobvery seriously, and I don't mean
seriously as in solid seriously.
I just mean I take it veryseriously and that I want to
help people and that I know Ican help people.
But I don't take, I take myselffor granted what it is that I
know and what I can do and how Ican help people.
(15:38):
And you know it's it's not likeyou're walking around being
Superman, but you're walkingaround being Superman.
You know you can point thesethings out to people and you can
give them answers and you canshow them references.
But when you take them insession and you're looking at
undoing this Gordian knot ofreactive mind and these these
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things that they that have beentroubling them their whole lives
and everything, and they walkedin the room, they didn't know
that that was going to happen.
You, you know something's goingto happen and the further you
go up the bridge with people,the bigger these gains are, and
and and this is sort of outsideyour, your experience but the
(16:29):
phenomena I'm gonna just usephenomena instead of street
terms but I mean the phenomenathat I have seen in session with
people on the upper levelmaterials as an OT level auditor
, a knots auditor, is incredible.
I've never seen anything elselike it in my life anywhere else
(16:51):
.
The things that peopleexperience, the relief that they
get, the amount of relief thatthey get, the changes that they
have, are something they wouldhave never, ever, ever, ever
thought of having and that theydidn't know that they had.
But it was something they'vehad for trillions of years, in
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some cases or more.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And that's.
You know, to me that's it's andyou know it's not this.
Yeah, it's this cool stuff thathappens and you know all this
stuff it's, it's in a band ofit's, it's in an ecclesiastical
band is what it is.
There's no doubt about it,because you're dealing with a
spirit, you're dealing with aSatan, you're dealing with this
(17:39):
immortal being that is sofucking tired of all of this
shit happening to them and it'sbeen going on forever.
And it's rooted in this crazything that happened somewhere
down the time track that theyhad completely forgotten about
and have been unburdened.
And there it is right in frontof them, like a movie that just
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popped on in front of them.
And you know I can't get intosome of the upper level.
You know things that I've seenwithout, you know, violating the
auditor's code.
But you know I've seen peoplego into full convulsions in
session because of incidents andthings like that that they
(18:21):
couldn't control and just turnedon.
And you know I mean that's justphysical, but I mean you see
these things and it's more thanreal for them because they're
reliving it right then.
And there, you know, I've seenbeings fly off of other people's
bodies.
I've seen shadows cast off froma body.
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I've seen things float abovepeople.
I've had things jump from themto me, to me and I had a knots
(19:04):
PC that had an entity jump fromthem and onto me in session and
it caused the most excruciatingcramp in my leg and my TRs
stayed in because they had tostay in and I had to handle it
while I was handling her at thesame time in the session.
This particular person who waselderly and she felt such a
tremendous amount of relief fromthese sessions and you see all
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kinds of crazy phenomena.
We've had lights flicker in theroom, we've had the power go
off, we've had, I mean, noises,things, and you know, just,
they're just all phenomena.
But the but the thing is isit's this stuff really, really
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works and and that the phenomenais just the phenomena.
But the end result is neveranything less than spectacular
Most of the time.
Sure, there are average sessionswhere you're just, you're just
digging the ditch and all thatstuff, but usually after a
couple of sessions they're likeoh, this stuff is working and it
doesn't sound like it shouldwork, but it is.
(20:10):
Questions are like oh, thisstuff is working and it doesn't
sound like it should work, butit is Because it's just on the
printed page.
But the printed page has thispath.
That is.
You almost don't get that.
It's a path, but it is, and ifyou take that path and you do
what he says, you'll get what hesays.
You'll get every damn time andI just that just blows me away
(20:35):
is I used, I used to be, are yousure?
I'm not so sure if this is goingto happen.
When I first started back inthe eighties and and and now I
just I used to be afraid to goin session because the church
made you afraid to go in sessionbecause that's what they wanted
.
And once I started doing it theway he says to do it and I cast
off this crazy assconsideration that the church
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put on me in training at Flag,you know, I just go in session
and it's no different than mejust sitting down and talking to
somebody.
There's no fear of anything,it's just comfortable.
All right, I know what to do, Iknow how to do it, I don't have
to think about it, it's thereand everything's fine and that
is the coolest thing ever.
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It's just with ease and that's.
You know.
That's why I got in, became anindependent Scientology auditor
is is.
I knew that the tech worked andI knew what the church was
doing was something other thanwhat Hubbard said, and that's
you know why I do this, why wedo this here for people is
because it's freedom.
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It's freedom from the church,like LRH says, to freedom to do
real Scientology the way it wasmeant to be and make it fun and
it's not all serious and and allof this stuff.
It's it's a blast.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I agree, totally agree.
Yeah, I mean, like you said,the phenomena and the
manifestations and stuff, thoseare all just kind of like normal
at some point After being anauditor for so long, you kind of
normalize.
Oh okay, there's a thing, youknow, I was in session and
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literally started speaking adifferent language.
Like me personally Startedspeaking a different language in
session and I was because I'mdoing this, I'm in the middle of
this incident and I'm, I'msorry, going into a whole
different language and I wassaying what I was saying in the
(22:34):
incident.
But I'm in, you know, 2020, atthe time it was like 2008.
It's like 2008 and I'm goingthrough this thing, but I'm just
saying what I was saying in theincident.
You know, in the incident, youknow, and so all kinds of stuff
that comes up.
(23:02):
When you talked about, you know,helping a person through a
prenatal, that was really,really fascinating.
To help a person through aprenatal, because if any of you
have ever read Dianetics, hetalks about some of the
manifestations, some of thethings that the pre-career might
experience when they're in aprenatal incident and, like you
have to move them through it,you have to help them through it
, you have to walk them throughit and being trained and
experienced and skilled to beable to do that, you know what
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to do when that stuff turns on.
I'm going to tell you something.
I've been in psychotherapybefore I found Scientology.
I know that they have no idea,no idea what to do at that level
.
They have no idea what you'regoing to talk to me about.
How do you feel?
How do you feel about that?
There's so much more to it yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, that's right.
It's like, yeah, there's somuch more to it.
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
No, that's right.
Go ahead so yeah, I thoughtMatt was saying something.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Matt, were you going to say something?
No, no, no, okay.
Well, you know, that's thething with being an auditor is,
you know, you do have a roadmapand you do know what to do, and
that's that's the coolest thingever.
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And it's not, it's not thenormal beaten path to society.
You, you're, you're doingsomething that is rarely done.
I've I've told Matt and andDarby on a few occasions do you
know how many people areactually doing this on this
planet at this moment and howrare it is that you are doing
this particular thing out ofeight plus billion people on a
daily basis?
(24:41):
And the ability that you haveand the things that you can do,
you know I sat down and I did atouch assist with Darby.
He had hurt his wrist and hewas blown away by a simple touch
assist on how it changed, howhis body felt and his wrist felt
after about a 10 minute touchassist.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This simple thing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I've talked about this in a podcast before, but
just again, having this techright, it makes you almost, you
know, a superhero, because therewas a time we was in Washington
DC no, I'm sorry, atlanta,georgia and my 2D was washing
dishes A glass broke.
(25:28):
I think I talked about this ona previous podcast.
The glass broke and sliced hishand open across the top.
Just sliced it open and bloodis everywhere.
It was excruciating, and so wetried to rinse it underwater,
hoping it'll stop bleeding.
It didn't.
We tried to bandage it.
It didn't stop bleeding.
It bled right through thebandages and I said well, listen
(25:51):
, wrap it and then let's just doa touch assist.
Okay, so he wrapped it.
I started doing the touch assistfor my feet feel my finger,
feel my finger and immediately,while sitting there in the chair
, the wound started closing up,just like this.
The wound started closing up.
(26:13):
Well, just this.
The wound started closing up.
Why just do it?
Feel my finger, feel my finger.
The wound started closing up.
It stopped bleeding and youcould see the wound closing up
and so, when we took the bandageoff, you can literally it
wasn't fully closed you canliterally look down in the
gaping wound.
No blood is coming out, no pain, okay, and it was all from
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sitting down and doing a touchassist, and of course we had to
go to the doctor and get somestitches or whatever, but the
touch assist stopped thebleeding and the touch assist
started to close the wound andthe sutures just kept it closed.
That's all, isn't that something?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, that's quite fascinating actually.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, well, you know I mean, whether it's a touch
assist or you know some otherassist, because you know those
are objective type things havingto do with bodies and the
physical universe and all ofthat.
You know those are those.
You know miracles, as usualtype of thing, you know,
dianetics is too, but too, butit's, you know it's a subjective
thing.
Uh, to a certain degree, uh,you know there's, there's just
so many amazing things.
Uh, loss assists, the lossassist, the sober assist.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know that I mean the assists are phenomenal on on
what they can do, you know, andthen I think there's there's
also one called a fever assistas well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, a fever assist?
Yeah, and you did one last week.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, it was actually quite fascinating how he came
up to me.
You actually came up to me andyou were like, hey, listen, he's
got a fever, would you do afever assist on him?
I was like, okay, cool, I wentinside, did the fever assist him
.
I was like, okay, cool, I wentinside, did the fever assist and
all of a sudden, the fever justdisappeared within five minutes
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and he actually told me thatthis had something to do with
something he was studying, whichI then knew immediately that
you knew that, because otherwiseyou wouldn't have told me to do
it, which is really, reallycool the fact that I could help
him through that, and I lookforward to doing it again with
someone else.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, I mean the phenomena that you see isn't
just in auditing, but on courseyou can see things.
On course that people read andit triggers them, restimulates
them on something, and thenother things turn on and they're
just out of left field.
But you know there are toolsthere that that can handle that.
(28:42):
That will then point back towhat it was they were studying
as an example, and then you canget that sorted out.
But things do turn on.
But that but that's anotherthing is you know, well, I have
this handy dandy tool called,you know, case supervisor
training that tells me okay, Isee, this is what's going on, I
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see this is what needs to bedone.
We have this tool for this.
It's a Phillips screwdriver.
We use the Phillips screwdriver, we do this, we get the screws
put back in and everythingtightens up and then now
everything works the way thatit's supposed to.
And it's just this one linequestion on a fever assist.
Basically, you know, as you'redirecting their attention
(29:25):
towards something, it's theselittle things that you go.
I mean, you know, you just haveto think about it for a second.
This little fever says you know,find something in this room,
hold it down that handles afever, find something in this
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room hold it down, and then youknow it would be well, I need to
go get some ibuprofen, or Ineed to, you know, a cold
compress.
Well, I need to go get someibuprofen, or I need to, you
know, cold compress.
Or maybe take a cool bath, or Ineed to do this, I need to do
that, and then 12, 24 hourslater, or something like that,
sometimes even longer, the feverfinally comes down.
Or you can do this and it tookfive, 10 minutes, something like
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that, and the fever goes away.
That's why, yeah, it's just alot simpler something like that
and the fever goes away.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, it's just a lot simpler.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, that's why I became an independent
Scientology auditor is becausethis is a technology that
doesn't exist anywhere else onthis planet.
It is so far advanced, it isbeyond space-age technology, it
transcends space-age technology.
You know, there arecivilizations out there right
(30:34):
now that don't have thistechnology that we have here on
earth, and how lucky are we.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm telling you.
Yeah, I actually went to thenational institutes of health in
Washington DC and a gentlemanwas in the hospital there the
National Institute of Health,nih hospital and he had a brain
tumor, had a brain tumor.
And when I come into the roomhis wife is sitting there.
(31:00):
Of course she's very distraught, but she's keeping her stuff
together and he's gray.
So just to look at the guy,he's gray, his skin is gray,
almost like an alien, right, andso I'm talking to him.
I was like you know how youdoing, or whatever.
He's like oh, you know, I'mokay.
(31:20):
You know, I haven't eaten in awhile.
I said, oh, you haven't eatenanything.
And he said no.
I said well, okay, um, I askedthe nurse because she brings
some food.
So she brought food and hetried to eat something but he
couldn't.
And I said, well, why don't wedo an assist?
So I asked his wife, you know,was it okay?
And I asked him was it okay?
(31:41):
Hold on a second, sorry,somebody called.
Can you guys hear me?
Yep, yep, okay, okay, okay.
I don't know what's going on, Ican't hear you, but she anyway,
I asked him was it okay?
And I start running the assiston him and within about 40
(32:05):
minutes, about 40 minutes,within about 40 minutes, he's
sitting up and he's bright, hisskin color returns to normal,
he's like a normal skin tone andhe goes, oh, pass me that, pass
me those, that food.
So we roll the food up to himand he's like, can I get some
hot sauce?
And he just it's like nothingwas wrong.
(32:26):
You know, it's like nothing waswrong, like, and what it was,
what it was was, he just had toget back in communication with
his body.
You know now, obviously thatdidn't resolve the brain tumor,
but the idea is that, like youknow, you can handle this thing
and you, as a being, know how todo it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, you provide, you're providing relief.
I mean, you know we're notgoing to grow arms back or
something like that, we're not,we're not cephalopods but I mean
you can, you can provide relief, sweeping relief, and in a lot
of cases with like we're talkingabout, with assists and stuff
like that, because those aresome of the most dramatic, I
mean we've got to bring back tolife assist.
(33:05):
Even you know, and regularauditing is different.
It's either a slow or it's animmediate, depending on the
level of auditing that we'redoing to.
You know, the results that youget sometimes they're just so
crazy powerful and you don'tknow that they're going to
happen.
You never know when they'recoming, they just show up.
(33:26):
And other times you know it'sjust, it's just a regular day
and they got something out of itand it builds on itself and it
builds on itself and all that.
But you know it's it's never,there's never a dull moment.
I mean you're, you're, you'redoing a procedure and you just
do that procedure and you getthe results and and that that's
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where that build on it comesfrom.
But you know the, the, it's the, the, the times where where
people just they're just blownaway and this big, huge grief
charge comes off or the whateverit is that that you you think.
You know how lucky am I to tobe able to do this for somebody
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and provide a change in theirlife that they would have never,
ever had otherwise.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right, look, I honestly think that this is
probably the most rewarding jobanybody could ever have, because
, at the end of the day,whatever you're doing to help
someone else in Scientology, yousee the results and you see
them really, really quickly, atleast most of the time and that,
(34:35):
at the end of the day, makesyou feel better as well as them.
It's just, it's reallyrewarding.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I can't think of a more rewarding job because
of the accuracy of what peopleget out of it.
You know it's, you've got.
You're shooting an arrow intothe heart of aberration and
totally giving this person a newlease on life from something
(35:04):
that they didn't even know wasbothering them, but was really,
really bothering them.
I've never been able to do thatin any other way than with this
.
How about you, quentin?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, and my awareness is, and part of the
reason why I am a big proponentof starting with Dianetics
Auditing is because it gets youso acclimated to what you're
looking for in you right andMateo is an amazing Dianetics
Auditor and you get kind oftraining yourself as a person
(35:38):
receiving the auditing.
You're training yourself tolook for what you need to look
for.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And you go in and the auditor, of course, is helping
you and so we're going to bewalking you through it and you
know, go over that again, goover that again, do that, you
know whatever.
And you're training yourself.
What am I looking for?
Why is this messing me up?
I had a guy, real quick story.
I had a guy who was gettingconstant migraines, constant
migraines.
And so he calls me and we'retalking on the phone or whatever
(36:08):
, whatever.
And I take him in session, notover the phone, it was in person
.
I take him in session and hegoes back to this moment where
his mother he had a secondarywhere his mother died and his
sister calls him at work and shegoes hello and she goes mama's
(36:31):
dead, mama's dead, and she'sjust screaming in the phone.
There she goes and it hit himlike a ton of bricks.
And guess what was causing themigraines?
The telephone.
He had a lock on this telephone.
(36:51):
So he's at work every day.
He had been in his job for many, many years and he's at work
every day and he would get theseterrible migraines and it was
the telephone that was causingthem.
We spotted it, released thatincident, released the lock.
Never got migraines again.
Done, done.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about
.
Is you know, you wouldn't knowthat this equals that, equals
that.
You know, A equals A equals Ayeah.
And that's the thing is younever know where it's going to
come from.
But every single auditingprocess is like that in some way
, every single one, and thatleads to a cognition, an
(37:31):
epiphany, a realization aboutlife.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Because what's aberrating you?
You can't spot it, necessarilyLike it's below your conscious
level of awareness.
Yeah, and so?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
you don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And so you think that , oh, it's because of what my
mama said when I was three, orwhat my daddy did when I was
five, or what my firstgirlfriend or my second, third
husband.
If you're thinking about it, itprobably ain't it.
Yeah, I can tell you that nowyeah.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It'll always be something you least think, quite
honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, and that's why it's there and it's persisting,
is it's unobserved, and it's ourjob to find that area that
charge and dissipate it.
And when we open the Easter egg, it dissipates and it falls
right out and oh, there it is,and they're like, oh wow, I
(38:24):
never did it.
You know the that it's alwaysdifferent and and and that's why
it's aberration is because itdoesn't make sense, but at the
time it did and they tied allthese things together.
So that's that's.
That's the neat thing about itis is it's it's always different
, and the further you go up thebridge, it just gets more and
(38:47):
more and more that way, to wherethere's never a dull moment on
the OT levels auditing knots.
It's incredible what happens.
It's never the same thing ever,twice, ever, ever.
When I went into session and Ican talk about this because I
was the pre-OT when I went intosession early on my new OT5,
(39:13):
that was probably, I don't know,five, seven sessions in and
Patricia Konek was my auditor onit I had to deal with an entity
that had been with me for Idon't know.
It was a really, really longtime that I didn't know was
(39:35):
there and this thing I had neverto that time I had never felt
what fear was until I confrontedthat particular entity in that
session.
And I mean, there was like athe ceiling went from a ceiling
(39:57):
to a black ceiling and just sortof like being out in deep space
type of a thing, and there wasjust this vibe, this energy
coming that was as menacing asanything could be menacing.
It was doom, it was my doom andit was part of me, I thought,
(40:19):
and she just blithely did thecommands, you know, and I don't
mean in a bad way, but at leastshe just did what she was
supposed to do and everythingand it was, you know, the lights
grew dim and that type of athing in my space and it just
was gone as quick as it showedup.
As quick as it showed up, andthat was one of the most as
(40:40):
quick as it showed up, and thatwas one of the most palpable
things I'd ever felt.
I'd never, ever, felt a fearlike that.
There's fear.
And then there's this, you know, and there was another one on
my L10 with her, where Irealized that there were six or
seven of me walking around invarious universes and I was
(41:04):
attached to all of me in thoseuniverses and they were all a
little bit different than theone that we're in here and I and
I know as corny as that sounds,I know it's it's it's to be
true.
I don't know how to explain it,I just know that it is.
And it's.
I don't know how to explain it,I just know that it is, and it's
(41:25):
not something I dwell on oranything like that, but I do
find it fascinating.
But it was something that Ibecame aware of and said, okay,
okay, that's fine and it doesn'thave any effect on me anymore,
but I know that it's there andsometimes I get communications
from these other me's andsometimes they get
communications from me andthat's all I need to know about
(41:47):
it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, so it's interesting because, like you
said, lrh was light years aheadof his time.
You know, 1950s.
Like who would have thoughtlike this stuff would hit in the
1950s?
Like who would have thoughtlike this, this stuff was hit in
the 1950s, you know, we barelyhad color tv, color television.
I don't think we did have color.
No, we didn't have colortelevision back then.
So it's like who would havethought that this was the case?
(42:12):
But I'll say this, as you werejust talking to that, talking
about that story, and thank youfor sharing that um, I thought
about gandalf and he's runningthrough the, the, the bowels of
mordor, or uh of, uh, no, mount,mount, doom, and he's running
(42:32):
through the bowels of it and thebar dog comes out and he was
like you shall not pass.
He knew what he was doing.
Right, you knew what you weredoing.
Listen, a creepy crawly, a bigmonster, whatever comes out,
whatever you got to deal with inyour life, in yourself, in your
stuff.
But if you know what you'redoing and you're working with a
(42:55):
skilled auditor who knows how toget through this stuff, and you
shall not pass, you shall notpass.
You just ain't gonna happen,you know, because you know what
you're doing, and so I thinkthat I listen.
Art imitates life.
So when we see that's true,when we get off, you know, when
we see the marvels talking about, you know the multiverse, and
(43:17):
you talk talking about just six,seven different you's walking
around here.
They're slightly different, youknow.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, all right, it takes lots, yeah, it's just
honestly that just makes methink of the matrix yes, yeah,
yeah, and that's that's thething is, you become aware of
this phenomena and everythinglike that, but you're just, you
know you're, you're completecertainty and you just got it
and you go okay, this is what'sgoing on here, I understand it,
I see it.
Wow, that was cool and itdoesn't affect me anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I'm, I'm a cause over it and you just boom, you know,
just like uh gandalf either,yeah, and when you go ahead, I
was gonna say, and when you canblow through something like that
and handle something somenacing, so seemingly
formidable, and then you comeback into the real world and
like now you're stuck in trafficand it's like your road rage
(44:11):
doesn't turn on anymore.
It's like I just vanquished ademon and your road rage don't
turn on anymore.
It's like, oh OK, I'm justsitting in traffic and your road
rage don't turn on anymore.
It's like, oh okay, I'm justsitting in traffic, you know,
like you recover some of yourknowingness about who you really
are and the little things don'thave to impact you so much
anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Like no, I'm good.
Yeah, I mean, you can't reallygo wrong if you have the tools
to combat any of that.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And we have those tools.
Yeah, that the thing.
You just need to know aboutthem, and once you, you, you,
you learn how to use them.
You're like, oh, okay, and youdon't even have to look at it on
paper, you just have it in yourhead.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
How much does that happen with you, matt, where
you're like I know how to handlethis, quite a few times after
the first few times, to behonest, like, for example, my
first few auditing sessions Iwas horrible.
I honestly can say now withfull certainty that I was
absolutely horrible.
In fact, my first two PCs justup and left, and they didn't
(45:18):
give me a reason why.
But at the end of the day youcan kind of put two and two
together.
But after that I kind ofstarted focusing more on what I
was doing wrong and what Ishould be doing right.
And then after a while you justagain put two and two together
and you're like okay, I knowwhat's going on here, I know how
(45:39):
to handle this, let me do that.
And it just starts comingnaturally the more you do it
yeah, that's where I'm at rightnow.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, and you know that an auditor learns by
auditing and and, yeah, once youget it, it becomes second
nature and it just all seemsseamless.
And that's one of the coolthings about it is that he did
have all these tools and he didsee that they were needed and
did create them and hadsolutions for them, and there
isn't anything we don't have asolution for as an auditor, and
(46:09):
that's pretty freaking awesomeyeah, all it takes is is a bit
of practice.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, that's, that's it study and practice, study and
practice, you know and I canhonestly say now I'm gonna blow
my own trumpet here a little bit, but I can honestly say I no
longer go wrong in a Dianeticsession.
I know what to do and that's it.
You need to know what to do.
As long as you know what to do,I don't see any way anything
(46:37):
that can go wrong.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah Well, Matt, you're doing a fine job in
training and in auditing andeverything, and we're really
proud of you and Darby's in thecourse room right now studying
his level zero materials andeverything like that, and you
guys are really doing great andI'm really proud to have you in
our ranks and I thank you forthat.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I appreciate that I had a good mentor.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that.
I had a good mentor.
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate thatvery much.
You're very welcome, all right.
Well, I hope everybody enjoyedthis and gave you some insight
into what it's like to be anauditor from a couple different
people's perspectives uh, all ofus knowledgeable in our fields
and we will see you again foranother podcast, maybe tomorrow
or Saturday.
Thanks for listening and wewill talk to you soon, namaste,
(47:28):
and we love you.
Thank you, thanks for watching.
Welcome to another Independent Scientology Outside
of the Church podcast brought toyou by AOGPorg, AO-GPorg and
the College of IndependentScientologycom.
This is Season 10, Episode 30,why I Became an Independent
Scientology Auditor, and we haveas our special guest Mateo
(00:24):
Kemsley, who is our residentClass 4, almost Class 5 Auditor,
one of two besides myself hereat AOGP.
He's been working at it forabout a year and a half now and
this is his first second time onthe podcast, isn't it?
Yeah, it's the second time.
Yeah, second time on thepodcast.
And then Quentin's the secondtime.
(00:45):
Yeah, second time on thepodcast.
And then quentin is here aswell.
How are you, quentin?
I'm doing fantastic great, solet's get the ball rolling here.
Why did you become anindependent scientology auditor,
quentin?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, well, for me, I'm going to say honestly, it
was kind of selfish.
I was interested in spiritualfreedom, spiritual attainment.
I've always been that way, evenas a youngster, and so
everybody knows that you followthe podcast, that I grew up as a
Jehovah's Witness, and so I wasknown around my community and
(01:27):
stuff like that.
I can knock a door down, Iknock a door down.
And so, for me, religion,spirituality, that whole thing
really really always appealed tome.
And when I discoveredScientology in 2002, 23, 24
years ago, when I discoveredScientology in 2002, it just
(01:48):
made sense.
It made sense to me how themind works and how you know as a
being you are and stuff.
So I wanted to be a part ofthat and I wanted to get the
gains that come along with it.
And it wasn't until around 2006that I started uh, co-auditing,
Dianetics, co-auditing, and therest is history.
(02:09):
Like it just became secondnature to me.
So I've I've been doing thisfor quite some time now and
loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So what, what, what did you get out of it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
For me, particularly with Dianetics auditing, it
helped me to repair my skullsI'm not just talking about my
eyesight, okay my physicalcornea reshaped with LASIK,
(02:46):
without all the whatever,whatever like my cornea was very
jagged and, and the time showedme, on the little thing, uh, my
cornea was very jagged and Ihad really bad astigmatism and
used to have to wear toriclenses, these really sick
contact lenses which my eyes,and from there I like, literally
(03:08):
my cornea, reshaped to aperfectly smooth cornea,
eyesight repair, 20, 20 vision,the whole bit.
And then I had a very, very badgrass allergy and bananas, grass
and bananas and had no idea why, and all of my life as a kid,
dealing with grass allergy, Icouldn't be around fresh cut
(03:29):
grass, the whole bit.
And it was in DianeticsAuditing that I found out
exactly what was hanging me upwith my grass allergy and it was
nothing.
It had nothing to do withantihistamines and popping peels
and it was some crazy stuff.
And I repaired my, my grassalgae as well no longer allergic
(03:51):
to grass, no longer allergic tobananas.
Um, yeah, so for me and I'm notsaying I went in for a any kind
of physical, uh, betterment,but those are the things that
really, really hit me hard umwith my benefits of getting out
of dynamics auditing what didyou, what did you get out of it
(04:12):
in becoming an auditor?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
what did you get out of it that way?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
oh and oh, I see what you're saying.
Um, I would say becoming anauditor really helped me to
understand people, understandthe mind, understand why people
do fucked up things like,understand how crazy life can be
and and and.
No, not to the individualnecessarily, but when people do
(04:40):
aberrated and messed up thingsin this world, you kind of have
a bit of empathy about them onsome level, still holding them
accountable to their actions,but kind of understanding like,
okay, you're dealing with somestuff, you know what I mean.
And so being an auditor helpedme understand people a lot
(05:01):
better, helped me develop ahigher level of empathy and then
allowed me to kind of deal withpeople from that position and
it changed my life.
It changed my life as itrelates to relationships going
through an abusive relationshipfor five years.
It changed my life in so manyways that I didn't feel like I
(05:21):
was a victim anymore.
I didn't feel like I had toblame other people.
I felt like I get it now.
So that was a really big winfor me being an auditor.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Matt, how about you?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, for me, the reason I became an auditor was
because for the vast majority ofmy life I was treated like shit
and I know how it can affectsomeone when you're treated like
shit and I know how emotionallytaxing it can be to go through
(05:57):
life with you know variousdifferent things people
experiences and I didn't wantpeople to go through that the
same way I did, because it's noteasy and I wanted to be able to
help people and get themthrough that without any hassle.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What have you got out of your auditor training?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, this is kind of a two-part answer.
Number one it's allowed me toread people better, in a good
way.
For example, I recently hadquite a few friends.
I had this big group of friendsof like 15 people.
We would go out constantly,every weekend, and I really
thought that they were friends.
(06:41):
I thought I could count on them.
Friends, you know, I thought Icould count on them.
Unfortunately, after a whileafter, as I got deeper into my
training and deeper into beingable to tell certain
personalities apart, I startedseeing that, okay, these people
are actually not good for me andI need to distance myself.
And it's allowed me to look atpeople in general and just be
(07:06):
like, okay, that's what's goingon here.
I see what they're doing, I seewhat it's going to turn into.
I don't want to be a part of itor or even the exact opposite.
I see what people are doing, Isee what they're saying, I see
how they're acting and I'm like,hey, I, I understand what's
going on and I can help themshould they want to help
themselves.
And yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I want from my auditor that part right there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, look, you can't help people if they don't want
to help themselves.
That's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Mm-hmm.
So, since you've been doingauditing, what did you
experience with your PCs?
What kind of realizations did?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
you have in delivering that auditing.
Everyone's the same in a very,very small way, and what I mean
by that is everybody has a I'mgoing to use a Scientology term
here everyone has a reactivemind and, at the end of the day,
everyone gets affected by anumerous amount of things, and
(08:16):
it's up to us as auditors to beable to help them and better
their lives again, as long asthey want to better themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Right Anything else you've pulled out of the
training that you've been doingthat you know well, like
recently on your class fivecourse.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, the class five course is the neurodianetics
course.
From there, what I've beenseeing is that.
Sorry, great, I didn't have ananswer for that question.
(08:58):
What happened?
I don't have an answer for thatquestion you don't have an
answer for that question.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
You don't have an answer for that question.
No, I mean, you said you weretelling me the other day that
you really enjoyed this course.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's what I was talking about, sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, okay, I have genuinely been enjoying this
course because, for the firsttime in a while, I'm looking at
it from a different perspective.
I've been doing Dianeticsauditing for a few months now
and you know, after a while itkind of just gets repetitive in
a sense that, okay, I know whatI'm doing, I know what to do.
(09:37):
I'm going in session, it's goingto take an hour, an hour or two
, and then I'm done.
It's the same thing Now withNew Era Dianeticsetics.
What I found is that it adds anew curveball to the entire
situation, one that I'm actuallyreally, really excited to do,
because it allows you to get tothe precise nitty-gritty parts
(09:57):
of a dionetic chain, becauseyou're using the meter now, and
for me this is going to sound alittle weird, but I'm looking
forward to it because it soundslike a lot of fun.
How so Sounds like.
Well, as I said, it's veryrepetitive.
So for me, going through thesame incident over and over
(10:20):
again, yes, it's a good thing,but for me, as an auditor, it
can get a little boring.
However, now that I've got themeter, I've got a new tool to
play with, I've got somethingelse that adds a little bit of
excitement to each session.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's awesome, yeah, yeah, I get that.
I will say that, for me, likebeing able to see the
manifestations on the person'sface, um, I'm just talking about
, from an artist's perspective,seeing the manifestation on a
person's face, seeing kind ofwhat they're like, reliving.
(10:58):
They're like reliving thisexperience.
Yeah, I've seen, I've seen insession, sunburns turn on in
people's bodies, um, like, justlike they just kind of started
coming bloodshot red justsitting there in a chair in an
air-conditioned room.
You know, I've seen all kind ofmanifestations that turn on, uh
(11:20):
, when doing auditing, becauseyou're actually going back and
you're reliving, you'rere-experiencing these incidents,
and so you know, yeah, the, thethe actual auditing technique
is quite simple and it's thesame steps you know over and
over and over again, uh, whichthat's what allows anybody to be
able to do it Right.
But, all in all, you know,being able to see that person
(11:43):
kind of go through all thatstuff is really, really
interesting to me, um, and it'slike, wow, like you really in it
, and yeah, yeah yeah, I, I, youknow the the things that I've
seen.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, first of all, you know why.
Why did I become an independent, independent Scientology
auditor?
Well, I became a Scientologyauditor first back in 1988.
And I did it because I wantedto help people.
And I started out with doingbook one, just like Matteo did
at the org, and my first sessionwas a prenatal session, where
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the person went before they wereborn and there was an attempted
abortion and I used to inreading Dianetics I used to
think, gosh, this guy just talksabout and you know, I've been a
Scientologist my whole life.
When I say this guy, I mean LRon Hubbard, and I said this you
know he talks about prenatalsand abortions, failed abortions
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and all of this stuff so much.
You know this can't be the caseand my first session was that
you got him.
You got the big slice of thecake, yeah yeah, and she was
crying and she was, you know,just, I mean going through the
whole thing and going throughrevivification.
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It was revived completely andeverything, and it almost felt
bad.
I was making her feel this way,but there was so much trauma
going on in that situation andshe could hear what the mother
and father were saying and allthis stuff because it was tried
at home and you know, it wasjust phenomenal and I saw that
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and I was like, you know, it wasjust phenomenal and I saw that
and I was like, you know, notfrom a viewpoint of you know, a
nefarious viewpoint but howpowerful this is and something
so simple can be so, so powerful, and I thought this is what I
want to do.
This is not something everybodyelse does.
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I've never seen anything likethis before.
You know, at the time you knowhow do I say it you know I'm a
past life Scientologist I didn'tknow it then and it just it was
.
It was the same feels then, asit was last lifetime, and and
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how something on the printedpage can be taken and applied
towards somebody and it works.
And you, and there you knowit's of course, you know, you,
you do math and you put it onpaper and stuff like that and
you, you get this result.
But when it's with somebody'slife and that they feel this
relief and you see their spacechange, you see their face
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change, you see, I mean you'rejust so many things, and they
come up to you and they tell youI'm sorry, I'm trying to keep
my my act together here.
They come up and they tell youhow much, how much you've
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changed their life.
You're just, you're just a man.
You know that you're takingsomething somebody else did and
it it's.
It is the most humbling and itis the most I love my job
feeling that you can ever haveand I feel very strongly about
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it.
As you can see, I take my jobvery seriously, and I don't mean
seriously as in solid seriously.
I just mean I take it veryseriously and that I want to
help people and that I know Ican help people.
But I don't take, I take myselffor granted what it is that I
know and what I can do and how Ican help people.
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And you know it's it's not likeyou're walking around being
Superman, but you're walkingaround being Superman.
You know you can point thesethings out to people and you can
give them answers and you canshow them references.
But when you take them insession and you're looking at
undoing this Gordian knot ofreactive mind and these these
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things that they that have beentroubling them their whole lives
and everything, and they walkedin the room, they didn't know
that that was going to happen.
You, you know something's goingto happen and the further you
go up the bridge with people,the bigger these gains are, and
and and this is sort of outsideyour, your experience but the
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phenomena I'm gonna just usephenomena instead of street
terms but I mean the phenomenathat I have seen in session with
people on the upper levelmaterials as an OT level auditor
, a knots auditor, is incredible.
I've never seen anything elselike it in my life anywhere else
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.
The things that peopleexperience, the relief that they
get, the amount of relief thatthey get, the changes that they
have, are something they wouldhave never, ever, ever, ever
thought of having and that theydidn't know that they had.
But it was something they'vehad for trillions of years, in
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some cases or more.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And that's.
You know, to me that's it's andyou know it's not this.
Yeah, it's this cool stuff thathappens and you know all this
stuff it's, it's in a band ofit's, it's in an ecclesiastical
band is what it is.
There's no doubt about it,because you're dealing with a
spirit, you're dealing with aSatan, you're dealing with this
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immortal being that is sofucking tired of all of this
shit happening to them and it'sbeen going on forever.
And it's rooted in this crazything that happened somewhere
down the time track that theyhad completely forgotten about
and have been unburdened.
And there it is right in frontof them, like a movie that just
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popped on in front of them.
And you know I can't get intosome of the upper level.
You know things that I've seenwithout, you know, violating the
auditor's code.
But you know I've seen peoplego into full convulsions in
session because of incidents andthings like that that they
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couldn't control and just turnedon.
And you know I mean that's justphysical, but I mean you see
these things and it's more thanreal for them because they're
reliving it right then.
And there, you know, I've seenbeings fly off of other people's
bodies.
I've seen shadows cast off froma body.
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I've seen things float abovepeople.
I've had things jump from themto me, to me and I had a knots
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PC that had an entity jump fromthem and onto me in session and
it caused the most excruciatingcramp in my leg and my TRs
stayed in because they had tostay in and I had to handle it
while I was handling her at thesame time in the session.
This particular person who waselderly and she felt such a
tremendous amount of relief fromthese sessions and you see all
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kinds of crazy phenomena.
We've had lights flicker in theroom, we've had the power go
off, we've had, I mean, noises,things, and you know, just,
they're just all phenomena.
But the but the thing is isit's this stuff really, really
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works and and that the phenomenais just the phenomena.
But the end result is neveranything less than spectacular
Most of the time.
Sure, there are average sessionswhere you're just, you're just
digging the ditch and all thatstuff, but usually after a
couple of sessions they're likeoh, this stuff is working and it
doesn't sound like it shouldwork, but it is.
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Questions are like oh, thisstuff is working and it doesn't
sound like it should work, butit is Because it's just on the
printed page.
But the printed page has thispath.
That is.
You almost don't get that.
It's a path, but it is, and ifyou take that path and you do
what he says, you'll get what hesays.
You'll get every damn time andI just that just blows me away
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is I used, I used to be, are yousure?
I'm not so sure if this is goingto happen.
When I first started back inthe eighties and and and now I
just I used to be afraid to goin session because the church
made you afraid to go in sessionbecause that's what they wanted
.
And once I started doing it theway he says to do it and I cast
off this crazy assconsideration that the church
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put on me in training at Flag,you know, I just go in session
and it's no different than mejust sitting down and talking to
somebody.
There's no fear of anything,it's just comfortable.
All right, I know what to do, Iknow how to do it, I don't have
to think about it, it's thereand everything's fine and that
is the coolest thing ever.
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It's just with ease and that's.
You know.
That's why I got in, became anindependent Scientology auditor
is is.
I knew that the tech worked andI knew what the church was
doing was something other thanwhat Hubbard said, and that's
you know why I do this, why wedo this here for people is
because it's freedom.
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It's freedom from the church,like LRH says, to freedom to do
real Scientology the way it wasmeant to be and make it fun and
it's not all serious and and allof this stuff.
It's it's a blast.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I agree, totally agree.
Yeah, I mean, like you said,the phenomena and the
manifestations and stuff, thoseare all just kind of like normal
at some point After being anauditor for so long, you kind of
normalize.
Oh okay, there's a thing, youknow, I was in session and
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literally started speaking adifferent language.
Like me personally Startedspeaking a different language in
session and I was because I'mdoing this, I'm in the middle of
this incident and I'm, I'msorry, going into a whole
different language and I wassaying what I was saying in the
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incident.
But I'm in, you know, 2020, atthe time it was like 2008.
It's like 2008 and I'm goingthrough this thing, but I'm just
saying what I was saying in theincident.
You know, in the incident, youknow, and so all kinds of stuff
that comes up.
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When you talked about, you know,helping a person through a
prenatal, that was really,really fascinating.
To help a person through aprenatal, because if any of you
have ever read Dianetics, hetalks about some of the
manifestations, some of thethings that the pre-career might
experience when they're in aprenatal incident and, like you
have to move them through it,you have to help them through it
, you have to walk them throughit and being trained and
experienced and skilled to beable to do that, you know what
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to do when that stuff turns on.
I'm going to tell you something.
I've been in psychotherapybefore I found Scientology.
I know that they have no idea,no idea what to do at that level
.
They have no idea what you'regoing to talk to me about.
How do you feel?
How do you feel about that?
There's so much more to it yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, that's right.
It's like, yeah, there's somuch more to it.
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
No, that's right.
Go ahead so yeah, I thoughtMatt was saying something.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Matt, were you going to say something?
No, no, no, okay.
Well, you know, that's thething with being an auditor is,
you know, you do have a roadmapand you do know what to do, and
that's that's the coolest thingever.
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And it's not, it's not thenormal beaten path to society.
You, you're, you're doingsomething that is rarely done.
I've I've told Matt and andDarby on a few occasions do you
know how many people areactually doing this on this
planet at this moment and howrare it is that you are doing
this particular thing out ofeight plus billion people on a
daily basis?
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And the ability that you haveand the things that you can do,
you know I sat down and I did atouch assist with Darby.
He had hurt his wrist and hewas blown away by a simple touch
assist on how it changed, howhis body felt and his wrist felt
after about a 10 minute touchassist.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This simple thing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I've talked about this in a podcast before, but
just again, having this techright, it makes you almost, you
know, a superhero, because therewas a time we was in Washington
DC no, I'm sorry, atlanta,georgia and my 2D was washing
dishes A glass broke.
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I think I talked about this ona previous podcast.
The glass broke and sliced hishand open across the top.
Just sliced it open and bloodis everywhere.
It was excruciating, and so wetried to rinse it underwater,
hoping it'll stop bleeding.
It didn't.
We tried to bandage it.
It didn't stop bleeding.
It bled right through thebandages and I said well, listen
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, wrap it and then let's just doa touch assist.
Okay, so he wrapped it.
I started doing the touch assistfor my feet feel my finger,
feel my finger and immediately,while sitting there in the chair
, the wound started closing up,just like this.
The wound started closing up.
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Well, just this.
The wound started closing up.
Why just do it?
Feel my finger, feel my finger.
The wound started closing up.
It stopped bleeding and youcould see the wound closing up
and so, when we took the bandageoff, you can literally it
wasn't fully closed you canliterally look down in the
gaping wound.
No blood is coming out, no pain, okay, and it was all from
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sitting down and doing a touchassist, and of course we had to
go to the doctor and get somestitches or whatever, but the
touch assist stopped thebleeding and the touch assist
started to close the wound andthe sutures just kept it closed.
That's all, isn't that something?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, that's quite fascinating actually.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, well, you know I mean, whether it's a touch
assist or you know some otherassist, because you know those
are objective type things havingto do with bodies and the
physical universe and all ofthat.
You know those are those.
You know miracles, as usualtype of thing, you know,
dianetics is too, but too, butit's, you know it's a subjective
thing.
Uh, to a certain degree, uh,you know there's, there's just
so many amazing things.
Uh, loss assists, the lossassist, the sober assist.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know that I mean the assists are phenomenal on on
what they can do, you know, andthen I think there's there's
also one called a fever assistas well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, a fever assist?
Yeah, and you did one last week.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, it was actually quite fascinating how he came
up to me.
You actually came up to me andyou were like, hey, listen, he's
got a fever, would you do afever assist on him?
I was like, okay, cool, I wentinside, did the fever assist him
.
I was like, okay, cool, I wentinside, did the fever assist and
all of a sudden, the fever justdisappeared within five minutes
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and he actually told me thatthis had something to do with
something he was studying, whichI then knew immediately that
you knew that, because otherwiseyou wouldn't have told me to do
it, which is really, reallycool the fact that I could help
him through that, and I lookforward to doing it again with
someone else.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, I mean the phenomena that you see isn't
just in auditing, but on courseyou can see things.
On course that people read andit triggers them, restimulates
them on something, and thenother things turn on and they're
just out of left field.
But you know there are toolsthere that that can handle that.
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That will then point back towhat it was they were studying
as an example, and then you canget that sorted out.
But things do turn on.
But that but that's anotherthing is you know, well, I have
this handy dandy tool called,you know, case supervisor
training that tells me okay, Isee, this is what's going on, I
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see this is what needs to bedone.
We have this tool for this.
It's a Phillips screwdriver.
We use the Phillips screwdriver, we do this, we get the screws
put back in and everythingtightens up and then now
everything works the way thatit's supposed to.
And it's just this one linequestion on a fever assist.
Basically, you know, as you'redirecting their attention
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towards something, it's theselittle things that you go.
I mean, you know, you just haveto think about it for a second.
This little fever says you know,find something in this room,
hold it down that handles afever, find something in this
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room hold it down, and then youknow it would be well, I need to
go get some ibuprofen, or Ineed to, you know, a cold
compress.
Well, I need to go get someibuprofen, or I need to, you
know, cold compress.
Or maybe take a cool bath, or Ineed to do this, I need to do
that, and then 12, 24 hourslater, or something like that,
sometimes even longer, the feverfinally comes down.
Or you can do this and it tookfive, 10 minutes, something like
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that, and the fever goes away.
That's why, yeah, it's just alot simpler something like that
and the fever goes away.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, it's just a lot simpler.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, that's why I became an independent
Scientology auditor is becausethis is a technology that
doesn't exist anywhere else onthis planet.
It is so far advanced, it isbeyond space-age technology, it
transcends space-age technology.
You know, there arecivilizations out there right
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now that don't have thistechnology that we have here on
earth, and how lucky are we.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm telling you.
Yeah, I actually went to thenational institutes of health in
Washington DC and a gentlemanwas in the hospital there the
National Institute of Health,nih hospital and he had a brain
tumor, had a brain tumor.
And when I come into the roomhis wife is sitting there.
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Of course she's very distraught, but she's keeping her stuff
together and he's gray.
So just to look at the guy,he's gray, his skin is gray,
almost like an alien, right, andso I'm talking to him.
I was like you know how youdoing, or whatever.
He's like oh, you know, I'mokay.
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You know, I haven't eaten in awhile.
I said, oh, you haven't eatenanything.
And he said no.
I said well, okay, um, I askedthe nurse because she brings
some food.
So she brought food and hetried to eat something but he
couldn't.
And I said, well, why don't wedo an assist?
So I asked his wife, you know,was it okay?
And I asked him was it okay?
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Hold on a second, sorry,somebody called.
Can you guys hear me?
Yep, yep, okay, okay, okay.
I don't know what's going on, Ican't hear you, but she anyway,
I asked him was it okay?
And I start running the assiston him and within about 40
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minutes, about 40 minutes,within about 40 minutes, he's
sitting up and he's bright, hisskin color returns to normal,
he's like a normal skin tone andhe goes, oh, pass me that, pass
me those, that food.
So we roll the food up to himand he's like, can I get some
hot sauce?
And he just it's like nothingwas wrong.
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You know, it's like nothing waswrong, like, and what it was,
what it was was, he just had toget back in communication with
his body.
You know now, obviously thatdidn't resolve the brain tumor,
but the idea is that, like youknow, you can handle this thing
and you, as a being, know how todo it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, you provide, you're providing relief.
I mean, you know we're notgoing to grow arms back or
something like that, we're not,we're not cephalopods but I mean
you can, you can provide relief, sweeping relief, and in a lot
of cases with like we're talkingabout, with assists and stuff
like that, because those aresome of the most dramatic, I
mean we've got to bring back tolife assist.
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Even you know, and regularauditing is different.
It's either a slow or it's animmediate, depending on the
level of auditing that we'redoing to.
You know, the results that youget sometimes they're just so
crazy powerful and you don'tknow that they're going to
happen.
You never know when they'recoming, they just show up.
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And other times you know it'sjust, it's just a regular day
and they got something out of itand it builds on itself and it
builds on itself and all that.
But you know it's it's never,there's never a dull moment.
I mean you're, you're, you'redoing a procedure and you just
do that procedure and you getthe results and and that that's
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where that build on it comesfrom.
But you know the, the, it's the, the, the times where where
people just they're just blownaway and this big, huge grief
charge comes off or the whateverit is that that you you think.
You know how lucky am I to tobe able to do this for somebody
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and provide a change in theirlife that they would have never,
ever had otherwise.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right, look, I honestly think that this is
probably the most rewarding jobanybody could ever have, because
, at the end of the day,whatever you're doing to help
someone else in Scientology, yousee the results and you see
them really, really quickly, atleast most of the time and that,
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at the end of the day, makesyou feel better as well as them.
It's just, it's reallyrewarding.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I can't think of a more rewarding job because
of the accuracy of what peopleget out of it.
You know it's, you've got.
You're shooting an arrow intothe heart of aberration and
totally giving this person a newlease on life from something
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that they didn't even know wasbothering them, but was really,
really bothering them.
I've never been able to do thatin any other way than with this
.
How about you, quentin?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, and my awareness is, and part of the
reason why I am a big proponentof starting with Dianetics
Auditing is because it gets youso acclimated to what you're
looking for in you right andMateo is an amazing Dianetics
Auditor and you get kind oftraining yourself as a person
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receiving the auditing.
You're training yourself tolook for what you need to look
for.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And you go in and the auditor, of course, is helping
you and so we're going to bewalking you through it and you
know, go over that again, goover that again, do that, you
know whatever.
And you're training yourself.
What am I looking for?
Why is this messing me up?
I had a guy, real quick story.
I had a guy who was gettingconstant migraines, constant
migraines.
And so he calls me and we'retalking on the phone or whatever
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, whatever.
And I take him in session, notover the phone, it was in person
.
I take him in session and hegoes back to this moment where
his mother he had a secondarywhere his mother died and his
sister calls him at work and shegoes hello and she goes mama's
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dead, mama's dead, and she'sjust screaming in the phone.
There she goes and it hit himlike a ton of bricks.
And guess what was causing themigraines?
The telephone.
He had a lock on this telephone.
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So he's at work every day.
He had been in his job for many, many years and he's at work
every day and he would get theseterrible migraines and it was
the telephone that was causingthem.
We spotted it, released thatincident, released the lock.
Never got migraines again.
Done, done.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about
.
Is you know, you wouldn't knowthat this equals that, equals
that.
You know, A equals A equals Ayeah.
And that's the thing is younever know where it's going to
come from.
But every single auditingprocess is like that in some way
, every single one, and thatleads to a cognition, an
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epiphany, a realization aboutlife.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Because what's aberrating you?
You can't spot it, necessarilyLike it's below your conscious
level of awareness.
Yeah, and so?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
you don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And so you think that , oh, it's because of what my
mama said when I was three, orwhat my daddy did when I was
five, or what my firstgirlfriend or my second, third
husband.
If you're thinking about it, itprobably ain't it.
Yeah, I can tell you that nowyeah.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It'll always be something you least think, quite
honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, and that's why it's there and it's persisting,
is it's unobserved, and it's ourjob to find that area that
charge and dissipate it.
And when we open the Easter egg, it dissipates and it falls
right out and oh, there it is,and they're like, oh wow, I
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never did it.
You know the that it's alwaysdifferent and and and that's why
it's aberration is because itdoesn't make sense, but at the
time it did and they tied allthese things together.
So that's that's.
That's the neat thing about itis is it's it's always different
, and the further you go up thebridge, it just gets more and
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more and more that way, to wherethere's never a dull moment on
the OT levels auditing knots.
It's incredible what happens.
It's never the same thing ever,twice, ever, ever.
When I went into session and Ican talk about this because I
was the pre-OT when I went intosession early on my new OT5,
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that was probably, I don't know,five, seven sessions in and
Patricia Konek was my auditor onit I had to deal with an entity
that had been with me for Idon't know.
It was a really, really longtime that I didn't know was
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there and this thing I had neverto that time I had never felt
what fear was until I confrontedthat particular entity in that
session.
And I mean, there was like athe ceiling went from a ceiling
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to a black ceiling and just sortof like being out in deep space
type of a thing, and there wasjust this vibe, this energy
coming that was as menacing asanything could be menacing.
It was doom, it was my doom andit was part of me, I thought,
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and she just blithely did thecommands, you know, and I don't
mean in a bad way, but at leastshe just did what she was
supposed to do and everythingand it was, you know, the lights
grew dim and that type of athing in my space and it just
was gone as quick as it showedup.
As quick as it showed up, andthat was one of the most as
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quick as it showed up, and thatwas one of the most palpable
things I'd ever felt.
I'd never, ever, felt a fearlike that.
There's fear.
And then there's this, you know, and there was another one on
my L10 with her, where Irealized that there were six or
seven of me walking around invarious universes and I was
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attached to all of me in thoseuniverses and they were all a
little bit different than theone that we're in here and I and
I know as corny as that sounds,I know it's it's it's to be
true.
I don't know how to explain it,I just know that it is.
And it's.
I don't know how to explain it,I just know that it is, and it's
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not something I dwell on oranything like that, but I do
find it fascinating.
But it was something that Ibecame aware of and said, okay,
okay, that's fine and it doesn'thave any effect on me anymore,
but I know that it's there andsometimes I get communications
from these other me's andsometimes they get
communications from me andthat's all I need to know about
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it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, so it's interesting because, like you
said, lrh was light years aheadof his time.
You know, 1950s.
Like who would have thoughtlike this stuff would hit in the
1950s?
Like who would have thoughtlike this, this stuff was hit in
the 1950s, you know, we barelyhad color tv, color television.
I don't think we did have color.
No, we didn't have colortelevision back then.
So it's like who would havethought that this was the case?
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But I'll say this, as you werejust talking to that, talking
about that story, and thank youfor sharing that um, I thought
about gandalf and he's runningthrough the, the, the bowels of
mordor, or uh of, uh, no, mount,mount, doom, and he's running
(42:32):
through the bowels of it and thebar dog comes out and he was
like you shall not pass.
He knew what he was doing.
Right, you knew what you weredoing.
Listen, a creepy crawly, a bigmonster, whatever comes out,
whatever you got to deal with inyour life, in yourself, in your
stuff.
But if you know what you'redoing and you're working with a
(42:55):
skilled auditor who knows how toget through this stuff, and you
shall not pass, you shall notpass.
You just ain't gonna happen,you know, because you know what
you're doing, and so I thinkthat I listen.
Art imitates life.
So when we see that's true,when we get off, you know, when
we see the marvels talking about, you know the multiverse, and
(43:17):
you talk talking about just six,seven different you's walking
around here.
They're slightly different, youknow.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, all right, it takes lots, yeah, it's just
honestly that just makes methink of the matrix yes, yeah,
yeah, and that's that's thething is, you become aware of
this phenomena and everythinglike that, but you're just, you
know you're, you're completecertainty and you just got it
and you go okay, this is what'sgoing on here, I understand it,
I see it.
Wow, that was cool and itdoesn't affect me anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I'm, I'm a cause over it and you just boom, you know,
just like uh gandalf either,yeah, and when you go ahead, I
was gonna say, and when you canblow through something like that
and handle something somenacing, so seemingly
formidable, and then you comeback into the real world and
like now you're stuck in trafficand it's like your road rage
(44:11):
doesn't turn on anymore.
It's like I just vanquished ademon and your road rage don't
turn on anymore.
It's like, oh OK, I'm justsitting in traffic and your road
rage don't turn on anymore.
It's like, oh okay, I'm justsitting in traffic, you know,
like you recover some of yourknowingness about who you really
are and the little things don'thave to impact you so much
anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Like no, I'm good.
Yeah, I mean, you can't reallygo wrong if you have the tools
to combat any of that.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And we have those tools.
Yeah, that the thing.
You just need to know aboutthem, and once you, you, you,
you learn how to use them.
You're like, oh, okay, and youdon't even have to look at it on
paper, you just have it in yourhead.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
How much does that happen with you, matt, where
you're like I know how to handlethis, quite a few times after
the first few times, to behonest, like, for example, my
first few auditing sessions Iwas horrible.
I honestly can say now withfull certainty that I was
absolutely horrible.
In fact, my first two PCs justup and left, and they didn't
(45:18):
give me a reason why.
But at the end of the day youcan kind of put two and two
together.
But after that I kind ofstarted focusing more on what I
was doing wrong and what Ishould be doing right.
And then after a while you justagain put two and two together
and you're like okay, I knowwhat's going on here, I know how
(45:39):
to handle this, let me do that.
And it just starts comingnaturally the more you do it
yeah, that's where I'm at rightnow.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, and you know that an auditor learns by
auditing and and, yeah, once youget it, it becomes second
nature and it just all seemsseamless.
And that's one of the coolthings about it is that he did
have all these tools and he didsee that they were needed and
did create them and hadsolutions for them, and there
isn't anything we don't have asolution for as an auditor, and
(46:09):
that's pretty freaking awesomeyeah, all it takes is is a bit
of practice.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, that's, that's it study and practice, study and
practice, you know and I canhonestly say now I'm gonna blow
my own trumpet here a little bit, but I can honestly say I no
longer go wrong in a Dianeticsession.
I know what to do and that's it.
You need to know what to do.
As long as you know what to do,I don't see any way anything
(46:37):
that can go wrong.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah Well, Matt, you're doing a fine job in
training and in auditing andeverything, and we're really
proud of you and Darby's in thecourse room right now studying
his level zero materials andeverything like that, and you
guys are really doing great andI'm really proud to have you in
our ranks and I thank you forthat.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I appreciate that I had a good mentor.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that.
I had a good mentor.
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate thatvery much.
You're very welcome, all right.
Well, I hope everybody enjoyedthis and gave you some insight
into what it's like to be anauditor from a couple different
people's perspectives uh, all ofus knowledgeable in our fields
and we will see you again foranother podcast, maybe tomorrow
or Saturday.
Thanks for listening and wewill talk to you soon, namaste,
(47:28):
and we love you.
Thank you, thanks for watching.
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