April 10, 2025 • 52 mins
What if you could view every situation in your life as a game where you make the rules? In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into how recognizing life as a series of games can transform your experience from being trapped in circumstances to consciously creating the reality you desire.
The magic begins when you realize that as spiritual beings, we must agree to certain limitations to play games at all. Without challenges, opponents, and unpredictable elements, there is no game worth playing. But the crucial distinction lies in whether you're playing games of your conscious choosing or unconsciously participating in games designed by others.
We explore the powerful moment when you decide to end a game that no longer serves you—and why simply quitting isn't enough. The true transformation comes when you decide to end by winning, a subtle shift that dramatically changes your outcomes. One participant shares a personal experience of deciding to end a particular life game, and the surprising flood of new opportunities that appeared immediately afterward.
The discussion turns to identifying allies versus opponents across all dynamics—relationships, friendships, work environments, and financial matters. Learning to quickly discern who supports your game and who opposes it saves tremendous energy and positions you for success.
As you progress in Scientology, particularly around Grade Three (Freedom Release), you gain the ability to face the future without fear and predict outcomes with increased accuracy. This newfound freedom allows you to design games with clear rules from the beginning, ensuring you cannot lose because you've established your parameters upfront.
Ready to stop feeling like a victim of circumstances and start playing life on your terms? Discover how to create your own Monopoly board where you decide which properties matter, who gets to play, and how victory is defined. Your life becomes more joyful when you're playing games of your own designing rather than struggling through someone else's rulebook.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We should start a new season.
Hi and welcome to another AOGPScientology Outside of the
Church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 31.
This one is going to be looselytitled Games, or the Games we
Play.
This was Artie's idea and I'mhere with arthur and quentin, so
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So arty games.
How do you want to approachthis?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
hmm well, for me it kicked off listening to um
another podcast, um with treylots um part of the free zone.
Is trey still around or is hehe's passed, hasn't he?
No, he's still around.
Yeah, he's still.
Oh, he's still.
He's still going, is he?
okay, as far as as far as I know, yep, okay, and so after
listening to that, it it reallyaffected me on how we play games
in life, and I really enjoyedthe concept of everything we do
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to see it as a game.
You know, how are you going toplay your next move, how are you
going to play this, how are yougoing to play this, how you're
going to play that.
But the thing that reallystruck me about it was choosing
games where the games you playare allies versus opponents, and
being able to distinguish thedifference between an ally and
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opponent.
In whatever you do, whether it'sthrough money, whether it's
through relationships, whetherit's through friendships, um,
group circles, your work, um,pretty much through every
dynamic, um, and there's so manydifferent ways we could go
about this, um, but I think justthe idea of seeing life as a
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game and the things we do in itkind of puts you in third person
view, like you're not.
You're not.
Person view, like you're not.
You're not in it as much,you're not.
You're not caught in theemotions as much, but you can.
You can sort of look at the wayyou do things more objectively,
um, rather than being at effect, I think just being able to
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change your mind around how youview things can put you more at
cause than effect by looking atthings as a game and then I'm
going to bring another componentinto it early which I'm sure
we'll get into but also aroundthe power of the postulations,
around deciding what gamesyou're going to play and
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deciding which games you don'twant to play.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, per the Scientology axioms, a thetan has
to agree to become aberrated inorder to play a game.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So the game has to be of an aberrative nature to play
it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, yeah, because as a thetan, we are operating
from a highest level ofknowingness and beingness, right
.
So in order to kind of sinkdown into games, which is still
high on the tone scale, right,but in order to sink down into
games, you have to agree tobecome aberrated, to even, like,
play this game with yourself,right, because it really is us
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kind of creating this whole andmocking this whole game up.
I mean, we talked before aboutMonopoly and we can go down the
whole list of the ParkerBrothers games or whatever
that's out there we can like.
You have to agree that, wait,I'm going to be the or I'm going
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to have an opponent, or I'mgoing to have an opponent.
I'm going to have thesebarriers and these freedoms and
these things that go within it.
I'm going to have a purpose toeven go around this board called
life, right, and so we kind ofhave to agree to become
aberrated, to sink down into thegame's state, if that makes
sense.
Yeah, yeah, because then downinto the game's state, if that
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makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah because then there's no game.
If there's no challenge to it,if there's no adversity, if
there's no journey, if there'sno challenges, if there's
nothing to confront you, there'sno boss at the end that you
need to defeat, then there'snothing there.
Is there Right?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
right Right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I suppose that boss is often us, to some degree
ourselves it's.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's kind of like we're defeating ourselves to win
the game well, it wouldn't be agame if you knew, knew what the
outcome was.
That's, that's the freedom'sfreedoms, boundaries and
purposes.
So you, so, if you've everplayed checkers chess with
yourself or whatever it's, it'snot a game.
It's not a game because youknow what, you know what the
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moves are, and that's you know.
Yeah, yeah, I think Dayton'sgot to have an optimum amount of
randomity.
So the optimum amount ofrandomity is a not know Well of
randomity.
So the optimum amount ofrandomity is a not no well, will
I finish the race in first orwill I finish the race?
You know, you know the.
There's really what is it thatexpression is?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
is second place, is second place loser yeah, and
then third place is moreacceptable than second place?
Yeah, because second is theloser.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, right, right so you have these.
Yeah, that's interesting.
You create these postulates ofgames that you're going to play,
but you the postulates that youmake in the game with the
opposing terminal.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's where the aberration comes from as to what
the terminal is that you chooseto oppose, and then at the
lower end of the bridge, that'swhere the aberration is and it
was funny because the other dayQuinton and I had a really good
chat earlier in the week and Iwas sharing about a game I
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decided to end, and the amountof things that occurred in a
different direction just fromdeciding wholeheartedly I just
don't want to play this anymore.
And then Quinton added a littlebonus to it and he goes let me
add to that.
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I'm like, okay, I'm thinkingwhat more could you add to it?
And he says to me well, you endthis game, but you're going to
win.
And that really struck me hardbecause in my head it was just
like all right, I just want toend this game, I want out.
And then Quinton's like well,are you going to win?
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Which really hit home for me aswell, because that just added a
whole new layer to what Ithought was good enough.
So I had to rethink mypostulate.
Okay, now that I've ended,ended this game, what do I do
next?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
how do I?
Yeah, I want to.
I want to win about it.
I want to win and end Right.
I want to end it by winning.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right yeah, not by losing.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So with these games, yeah go ahead, go Quinton, yeah
go.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
No, I was just saying .
So, with these games that we'replaying, like we're coming up
with this and we're living life,and we're coming up with this
and we're living life, and we'recreating these problems, we're
creating these opponents, we'recreating these situations where
we have to kind of like um,figure out how to level
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ourselves up.
And this, this is the game thatI play, like I, I, I like to
level myself up in the game,right, this is the game that I
play, like I, I, I like to levelmyself up in the game, right.
And so, excuse me, whether itbe through our physical body and
going to the gym, I think,jonathan, you just did your
personal best in your um, inyour walking and getting your
exercise in.
Like, that's fantastic.
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And so we're doing these thingsto level ourselves up in order
to be ready for the next levelor the next obstacle course or
whatever you're going on with.
You've got to be ready for thenext thing, right?
And so that's kind of how Ilook at it.
I look at it that way when itcomes to finances.
I look at it that way when itcomes to my intelligence and how
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I operate with my intelligence.
I haven't gotten that way yetwhen it comes to working out.
But you know how I operate withmy intelligence.
I haven't gotten that way yetwhen it comes to working out,
but I'm working on it.
I gotta level up sure yeah, soso where?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
does.
Where do we take this?
Where do we take?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
this?
Where do we take this, guys?
Well, I was.
Yeah, there's a certain magic.
I've realized around this aswell, because, like, if you're
always in a game and you're juststuck just rolling dice, just
rolling dice, rolling dice,rolling dice, and you could be
stuck in the same game for so,so long and not even recognize
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that you're stuck in the game,and then you're just going over
and over, you just keep goingaround the board constantly.
You pass, go, you collect yourmoney, you spend it.
You pass, go, you collect yourmoney, you spend it, you roll
the dice, you just randomly landwherever parking fines,
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speeding fines, taxes,electricity, whatever and you
just keep getting stuck in thiscircle.
But then I've realized, throughmy own life experience, the
moment I decided no, no more, nomore.
Then opportunities justmagically appeared everywhere,
which created new games, butthey came with their own
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challenges and they're andthey're challenges that I
haven't yet faced real simplethings, but things I've never
had to do and I think that'salso the hard part is
recognizing those littlemiracles that come with your
postulation and taking them.
You have to take them as wellin order to create new games as
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well.
What do you guys say?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I think it's so interesting because when a
being is stuck in a game right.
So, like LRH talks about nogames conditions right, a no
games condition and when thebeing is is stuck in a game,
that actually is a no gamecondition, they like like you
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don't, you don't, you don't havea way to win, there's no way to
win, I can't win at this.
Have you ever felt that waybefore?
Like I just can't win at this?
Have you ever felt that waybefore?
Like I just can't win?
You know, and it's like.
It's like when you're in thiscondition where you're stuck in
it and you can't ever win whichalso means an ending to the game
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right, by winning you kind ofend the game.
We talked about that a secondago.
So if you're stuck in thissituation, if you're stuck at
this job or you're stuck in this, you know life or you're stuck
in this situation.
If you're stuck at this job, oryou're stuck in this life, or
you're stuck in this town oryou're stuck in this situation,
it's like you can never win.
And because you can never win,you're actually in a no games
condition, and so the way out isto invent games, and so this is
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a really, really interestingprocess because one goes in and
starts inventing games to play.
Inventing games to play and Ithink we have a lot of
interesting games that wealready kind of work with and we
were already playing this lifebut imagine being able to like
mock up your own game.
Being able to really mock upyour own game and like, yeah,
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this is my thing, I know I canwin this.
It comes with the air ofconfidence, it comes with a
sense of purpose, it comes witha sense of clarity that you've
mocked this game up and you'reable to win at it.
And even in that there's goingto be challenges and things that
pop up.
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But I feel like I'm good, I canwin this.
I'm pretty confident that I canwin this game and you play it
with that level of awareness andconfidence.
A football team that has trainedso well.
They don't know the ultimateoutcome.
I don't know how many pointswe're going to get.
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I don't know how many goalswe're going to get.
I don't know how many goalswe're going to score or whatever
, but I do know we're ready towin.
We're prepared to win, we'reready to set it off, and when
you go into the game and you runout the bleachers or you run
out the back room or whatever Idon't know what they call it and
you're like, yeah, and you'reready to win this thing.
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That's the, that's the mostamazing feeling.
That's the most amazing feelingin the world yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's important that when you're you're, you're
playing a game and you'vedecided to play a game, you have
to have this intention to winand that you know.
Think about that.
You have to have the intentionto win, whatever it takes.
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Whatever it takes, you have topush yourself, push yourself and
you have to decide.
Like he says in the Root toInfinity lectures, you have to
picture what it is, what endresult is.
You have to put it there.
You have to see it and make yes, it's changed the physical
universe into.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know it's, it's almost sort of a fake, it till
you make it kind of thing yeah,and then, and it's, and it's
interesting, when we come intothis life, there's already a
game set up for us and most ofus fall into that game.
You know just your standard.
You know you need to work, youneed to live, you know buy a
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house, have a family, um, likethere's, there's a series of
games already pre-designed forus.
But then how do you create yourown game?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, you have to mock it up.
You have to mock up who you'replaying it with or what you're
playing it with, and you alsohave to be able to oh gosh,
trying to think of theexpression.
Oh gosh, trying to think of theexpression.
You have to be able to get the,how much effort you're going to
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put in.
You know, the only way you canbe wrong is under or
overestimation of effort.
That's why I say you'd muchrather be playing a game and
overestimate it thanunderestimate it do everything
you can.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And you know that's hard to do.
I struggle overestimating mypotential ability.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Which.
I find really interesting youstruggle in overestimating or
you struggle to overestimate.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, Well, to overestimate, yeah, okay, Like I
find that that might.
What I see my potential to beis is, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's like there's a wall there and then trying to
break through that wall can bequite, quite tricky yeah well
yeah well, go ahead no, I wasjust going to say that it's
interesting because I believethat confidence if you look at
the word confidence, con andfidelity is where it comes from
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with faith or faithfulness isreally what it says.
Confidelity or confaith'reoperating with faithfulness of
who you are, faithfulness inyour ability, faithfulness in
what you can do, whatever thatis.
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If I, if I'm a dishwasher, youcan't out dishwash me.
I'm sorry, you know I'm thebest dishwasher there is.
You can't, you can't beat me.
You know what I'm saying.
I always say that.
I tell Jonathan all the timeyou can't lose with the stuff I
use.
Right, my Kung Fu is strong,and so when you have confidence
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or you operate with faithfulnessas it relates to who you are,
that actually is the way.
Like you said, thatoverestimation of effort.
I'm going to do my absolutebest.
I'm going to do everything thatI can do in order to win this
game and my opponents are myopponents.
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You know what I'm saying and mytools are my tools and my
resources are my resources andmy points are my points and I
feel good about that.
You know, when I play Monopoly,I try to end Monopoly with
everything.
Have you ever won Monopoly?
And then you sit there and youcounted all your money.
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That's what I do.
So after I win Monopoly, Idon't just say, okay, I won,
thank you.
I sit and I count all my money.
I add up all the propertiesthat I own, I count all the
houses that I own and I'm like,okay, and I give myself a full
status write-up this is what Iown.
I know it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, it's important that at the lower end, you
understand, at the lower end ofthe bridge, you've got games
that you're playing, that you'renot aware of, that you decided
to play and you've got the gamesplaying you instead of you
playing the game.
And that's the point is, youneed to play a game of your
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choosing, not a game that isoverly aberrative.
Too much randomity, too littlerandomity.
You know optimum randomity, butthe thing is, is you create the
randomity of your game?
That's, that's part of thepostulate.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, okay, and that's that's, that's, that's.
That's not a small thing to getyour head around, really, um,
because, like to create yourpostulate, you know, you kind of
look at the goal as opposed tothe steps and, um, the little
bits and pieces before that goaland there's a lot of question
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marks within that journey aswell isn't there, and I suppose
that's what kind of makes it alittle exciting, because most of
us, like most people, let's say, for example, struggle
financially.
So the end goal is to be rich,win the lotto, right, but how
many people win the lotto andthen live their life out because
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they won the lotto, as anexample?
Um, as opposed to creatingsomething more substantial and
all those randomities that occurtowards their end goal.
You know, I just want to behappy, like, how often do you
hear that?
You know, I just, I just wantto feel joy.
How often do you hear thingslike that?
You know what I mean.
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I want um love, I want allthese things.
I want, I want, I want, I want.
Um, they're kind of smallreally, aren't they?
As opposed to, as opposed tobecoming the best I can be,
whatever that means the best atsomething Like Quinton saying
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with a monopoly.
He counts the hotels and hismoney at the end just to see how
much he's actually succeeded.
You're actually acknowledgingthe level of your success.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Just in a board game, yes, I give myself a serious
win.
I won this and I will tell youhow well I won it.
Yeah, yeah, you know it'sinteresting because Ella Rae
talks about this a little bit inthe games versus no games
lecture.
It was given October 25th 1956.
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And you know, we go throughlife and we have these things
that happen to us, supposedlyright, these things that happen
to us.
And he says that I'm not goingto read it all, but he basically
talks about how we live in atwo-terminal universe and we
live in this universe wherecommunication is the way we kind
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of have things happen right andcause distance, affect, that
whole thing.
And so he says where is it?
He said so you mock your.
He said there's a process thatdoesn't work.
He said this is not a goodtechnique.
Mock up yourself dead, Mock upyourself dead, Mock up yourself
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dead.
He said, no good, it's not agood technique.
Mock up somebody else dead,Mock up somebody else dead, Mock
up somebody else dead.
That's a good technique.
And so when you play this game,the bad technique is to
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disparage yourself, is to putyourself into this mock up
yourself dead.
Like, oh my God, I've messed up, oh my God, I'm a victim.
You know, oh my God, this wholething.
And so he goes on to say hesays so.
We have a tool here thatdifferentiates between good and
bad technique.
Now, I can guarantee you thatyou will undoubtedly, here and
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there, flub on this one, thisone.
You will flub because yourpreclear is so anxious to
convince you that he is a victim.
Yeah, he's a victim.
A victim of what?
A victim of his playing games.
Yeah, he's a victim of that,but he doesn't think that he,
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that he's a victim of that.
He thinks he's a victim of someother way.
He's only a victim of himplaying games.
Ok, and so he's.
So the free clear is trying toconvince the auditor that, but
but this is what happened.
But I'm a victim.
But I'm a victim.
But no, you're a victim ofplaying a game and not
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destroying your opponent.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Wrap your head around that yeah, yeah, I'm trying,
I'm trying, I'm telling you man.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
John Huh, what have you got for us?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I think Quentin said it best.
I mean, whatever you're doing,you're playing a game Okay, and
it's a game of your own choosing.
And if you don't want to playthat game, then you have to
change the game.
And that's the hardest thing is, you know, how do I?
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People ask, how do I get into adifferent game?
Well, it's pretty easy.
You have to decide, you justchoose it.
You choose it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Pick it off the shelf .
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, and you have to decide, you choose it, pick it
off the shelf, well, well, well,and you have to, and you have
to counter create.
I think this is what theconversation I mean I had the
other day create, counter,create.
You have to counter create theold game and and so if you're
still, if you're still, uh,playing nice with your opponent
you know what I'm saying andyou're still kind of doing this
thing no, you got to destroy.
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It's in it.
The good technique is mock upsomebody else dead.
That's the good technique.
The bad technique is not goingto be.
I cried when I read this,because when you really look at
life, it's like no, when itcomes to getting a job interview
, you make no qualms about it.
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I'm going to wipe the floorwith them.
This is going to be the bestjob interview I've ever done and
I'm going to get that job andeverybody else is going to be
jobless.
You know what I'm saying as faras this position is concerned,
and you have no problem playingthat game with that scenario,
right, I'm going to get this joband nobody else will have this
position but me, right in thatsituation.
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But when it comes to otherthings in life.
We want to be all well,everybody can win Everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That ain't how it work.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah well, I mean you know, yeah, that's a good point
, that's a great point.
Actually, actually, there canonly be one winner.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, so my game.
Let me be clear a one winnerfor my game yes, I'm talking
about my game.
So in playing my game, therecan only be one winner.
I'm gonna win my game period.
You're not gonna win my game.
There can only be one winner.
I'm going to win my game period.
You're not going to win my gamethat don't make sense.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh, he got it.
I like that yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, so to bring it back, arthur, what was it you
were saying at the beginning ofthe podcast?
As as far as the, you know whoyou're playing the game with, or
what you're playing the gamewith then yeah, so, yeah, so the
allies and versus opponents,right, um.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So I suppose in a more subtle way, um, and I
suppose the best kind of umexample would be saying a in a
relationship, quite often wecome together as allies, we
think of the other person, wewant to help each other, but
then we soon find out that we'reactually opponents.
And then you can step that intofriendships as well.
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You might make friendshipswhere you're allies and then all
of a sudden you becomeopponents.
And I think there's a bit of atrick, as I understand it, to
recognizing who's an ally versusan opponent as soon as possible
, like as soon as possible,right, which I suppose, where
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things like yeah, go who youplay the game with.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
If, if, if there's, if there's an I mean you know a
terminal, you know can, it couldbe.
It could be a sled dog.
You know it doesn't have to bea person, or you know it could
be.
It could be the environment.
How are you going to?
You know, how are you going tomake a cabin in Alaska?
What do I have to do to do that?
(28:10):
And that's a game, and you haveto look at what's it going to
take to do this.
And you have to understand thatevery game there's risk.
A game has risk.
What kind of risk is implied?
What you know, what are your,your opponents and what are your
allies?
You have to think about thatand say, okay, this is the type
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of game that I want to play, butyou know it's, it's a matter of
deciding.
Do I want to play and and this,you hear this a lot in
scientology well, that's areally big game.
That's something you know weshould talk about too is what's
what's a big game?
What's what's funny?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
just before we go into that.
Sorry, quentin, just somethingyou just said then, um, around
looking at the risk, looking atthis, looking at that, you could
take a potential game thatseems really big and then all of
a sudden win it really fast,just by going through that
process.
Yeah, just by sorting out allthe risks, enter the game,
knowing all the rules, and thenjust win it and then move on to
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the next one, as opposed totaking a risk and then fumbling,
trying to work out all thethings that have occurred.
Like, let's say, you buy asecond-hand car, for example,
you know, if you look that carover, get it checked by a
mechanic, you get into that car.
You know you've got X amount oftime with it, as opposed to
just grabbing it and thenrealising as you're driving it,
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oh, it needs a gearbox, it needsa clutch, it needs this, it
needs that as you go along.
Whereas if you look after thatcar, spend the time looking at
the risks, as you said, lookingat the risks, as you said,
looking at the positives, thenyou've won a lot sooner.
I mean, it still has its risks,um, but you're minimizing the
potential risks and and you'regetting to your goal way faster
(29:58):
just by spending that little bitof time exploring those, those
elements.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, I like how lrh puts it when he refers to.
When we look along the dynamics, and he refers to that
particular dynamic, we'll justsay the fifth dynamic and it's
symbiotes.
Right, and it's symbiotes, thethings that support us and help
us along that dynamic, right.
(30:26):
So the third dynamic and it'ssymbiotes.
The fourth dynamic and itssymbiotes, and then the opposite
of that is suppressors.
So what are the things in theenvironment or in the situation
that are suppressors?
Right, and something that mightbe I think we used the word
earlier opponent and that couldcome across a little bit
(30:49):
antagonistic.
But if you look at it as asymbiote and a suppressor, this
aids cold and how deathly coldit is and you can't feel your
(31:09):
fingers because they're numb youknow that whole thing right.
And so when you look at it assymbiotes versus suppressors, I
think it like you start to seeit from a more well-rounded
place In the ethics book, whereit talks about the middle class
being PTS, right, PTS and themiddle class, and it talks about
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how the government right and wecan see this happening right
now in the real world thegovernment is a suppressor to a
middle class family, right, it'sa suppressor.
And the way they tax and the waythey set things up and the way
you know.
You got to constantly be outhere on your grind or whatever,
whatever, and I know, especiallyin America, like not even being
(31:54):
able to have one good full-timejob and you got to have a side
hustle plus a side gig, plusOnlyFans, plus whatever.
You got to have all this otherstuff to even survive.
It's crazy, right and so, andso when we look at it from a
perspective of symbiotes versussuppressors, I think it becomes
(32:15):
a more well-rounded viewpoint.
And to what you were just saying, arthur, it's like the
understanding the rules of thegame.
There really is no way for youto lose your game.
I'm being very clear on whatI'm saying.
There's really no way for youto lose your game when you know
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the rules of the game thatyou're mocking up.
See, most people play this gamecalled life or called love or
called money or whatever.
Most people play the gamethinking that they just making
up as they go along.
I don't do that.
I make up all my rules in thebeginning, Okay, and then I play
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the game.
And so, once I make up all myrules for my game, and then I
play my game.
I'm a win.
Win because I know the rules.
I know exactly how this playsout.
I said to you before, Arthur.
I said the higher yourstandards, the better your life,
and when you understand therules of your game, you're going
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to win every single time period.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well put.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Arthur, do you have anything else you want to add to
that?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't know, I don't think I can add more to that.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, and to the point of what we do here as
auditors and here as those thatare going up the bridge and
stuff like that, and here asthose that are going up the
bridge and stuff like that.
It's like when we study, whenwe get the tech, when we do what
we're doing right now, havingthese, I think, well thought out
conversations and reallylooking at this thing
holistically, to me it makesScientology more real for me.
(34:04):
Right, it makes the tech morereal for me, because I see now
how this actually works in mylife.
It's not this stuff on a pieceof paper or on a computer screen
or whatever.
It's actually my life beingplayed out in such a way that I
can understand it better and tome that makes it organic.
It doesn't make it clinical orcold or whatever.
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It makes it organic.
It makes it like this is lifeplan out here, and no
differently than I would want tostudy biology in school, which
they make us study in highschool or whatever.
You study biology, you want tounderstand the basics of how
your anatomy functions and worksbreathing, respiratory system
and circulatory system and stufflike that.
(34:47):
I'm not a doctor.
Why do I need to know that?
Well, it kind of helps.
You know what I'm saying whenyou get a cold and you get the
suppressor called the rhinovirusand the suppressor gives you a
cold.
Well, now I know how to handlethat suppressor If your person
gets pneumonia or you knowpeople are getting COVID or
whatever.
You know what to do because youunderstand the respiratory
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system.
Who would have thought that Iwouldn't know?
I wouldn't even use that afterI studied it in eighth grade.
Who would have thought I needto use that information?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But you do.
That's an interesting.
It's an interesting point, Imean, when you, when you take up
something like the COVID thingand you can agree to become
aberrated and this may be anunpopular viewpoint for people
who agree with vaccinations andstuff like that, that particular
(35:42):
one, the MNRA and the spikeprotein and all that stuff you
can agree to become aberratedand you can go into agreement
with everything you're beingtold.
But, like we said earlier, youhave to agree to become
aberrated.
And when you go, hey,something's fishy here and you
(36:06):
start looking into it and youstart getting other data and you
look at all of these out pointsand you don't get the
vaccinations, you don't let yourjob force you to get a
vaccination that you don't knowanything about and hasn't been
well tested.
You're disagreeing with playingthat game.
(36:26):
Think about that for a second.
So you're not agreeing tobecome aberrated by a
vaccination that has beenuntested.
And I think it's pretty muchpublic knowledge now that it
would be a really bad idea toget that vaccination for
something that very likely wasnot what they were saying that
(36:51):
it was.
So you're playing a differentgame by not doing that.
Think about that.
You don't agree to becomeaberrated, so you're playing
another game.
I think that it really paints astrong picture of the whole
thing.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, I've talked about this before during COVID,
you know, 20, 20, 19, 20, 20.
I went on.
I went to 20 different citiesin 2020.
I did 34 flights.
During the height of COVID, Iwas down in Florida in karaoke
bars singing karaoke, sharingthe mic.
(37:30):
We had to wipe it off with likea little wet wipe.
You know that's all we did.
We just wiped it off with alittle wet wipe and then you
headed to the next person.
Okay, and we would do.
I disagreed to play that gameof get locked in, shut in in and
cooking in my living room.
I'm not doing that.
I say I'm going to go somewhere, so I would get on play.
I was like it was like 50people in the whole airport and
(37:54):
I would get on a plane and Iwould have a whole road to
myself and I would just sleep,go to my next destination
because nobody was on the plane,because they they wanted to
become, or they became,aberrated to that game, to play
that game and I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I agree Right, and so that's a prime example of what
game you're playing in life, onthe more really the fourth
dynamic, but third dynamic also.
So to the degree that you lookat the ramifications of that
game or you decide you're goingto play a different game,
(38:29):
whether government mandates tellyou you have to do this or the
media tells you you have to dothis, that type of a thing you
go play another game and you sayno, I'm going to disagree with
that and I'm going to play thisgame.
This game is more pro-survival,simple as that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I've got a question.
Go ahead please.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Go ahead, quinton.
No, no, go ahead, I've talkedenough.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Go ahead.
I was just going to ask at whatlevel, say, if we use the
bridge.
At what level on the bridgedoes?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
this really sort of kick in for someone?
Well, at what level on thebridge does this really sort of
kick in for someone?
Well, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Come on, John, you should know the answer.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well, as far as playing the games you want to
play versus playing the gamesyou don't want to play, versus
playing the games you don't wantto play, that's you know.
That's when you get enoughcharge off of the case.
And now you don't have all ofthis counter-postulation going
on for everything that you do.
I'd say, somewhere in theneighborhood of around OT3, that
you start to be able to playthe game the way you want to
(39:41):
play it, and creating games thatyou want to play instead of
creating games that you don'twant to play it and play, and
and creating games that you wantto play instead of creating
games that you don't want toplay.
And I think that's that's thekey is getting getting being
able to postulate a game thatyou want to play, as opposed to
postulating games you don't wantto play, below, below that
(40:04):
level.
So it starts to take effect,take hold I hate to use the word
, but you're gonna manifest thegames that you want to play as
opposed to the games that youdon't want to play.
And that's the important thingis and the more charge you get
off on the OT levels, the bettergame you can play, better games
(40:26):
you can create and you knowwhat game to play, what game not
to play, that type of thing.
So that's why it's important toget up the bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, and I like how you made the distinction between
games that you're playing, youknow, self-determined, from a
self-determined viewpoint,versus unwittingly playing
certain games.
Right, because when I firstread I think it was A New Slant
on Life.
When I first read A New Slanton Life, scientology, a New
(41:01):
Slant on Life, like I got it,like I got that whole viewpoint,
like immediately the awarenessof that just kind of boom, like
it really made sense to me.
I would say, for me it wasn't.
It was when I started doing mygrades and I started going up up
in my grades that I reallystarted to understand, like, the
(41:23):
games that I want to playversus the games I don't want to
play anymore, right, um, or Iwas playing unwittingly, so to
speak, um, it was, it was goingup the grades for me um, that
that I saw life as a game, right, and I saw the games that I was
creating and mocking up versusversus somebody doing something
(41:49):
to me, right.
Which is why I don't feel like avictim.
Although there's a lot that'shappened to me in my life, I
don't feel like a victim and Idon't worry.
I don't worry because I knowI'm not a victim of the games
that I want to play, because ifI don't want to play it, I'm not
(42:10):
playing it.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm not.
I'm not a victim and I don'tworry because these are games
that I get to decide how I wantto move in and through them, and
with the knowingness that, howI'm going to, how I'm going to
to move through them, which justgoes back to those rules and
those policies and stuff.
And so to me, that it was.
(42:34):
It was reading a new sense onlife, gave me the awareness of
games and really understandingit for myself.
It was as I was going through,like through my grades, probably
like grade two, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, that's where things really start start
changing you know over it's awithhold, so you get the
withholds off.
You can start playing in areasthat you wouldn't be able to
play otherwise, because you getthe withholds off and that that
increases your reach, you knowsame thing same thing, same
thing with l11 and and doingthis, you know you're, you're
(43:08):
handling these, these counterterminals on l11, these valences
that you come across and you'regetting the overts off.
And you know we had, we did thepodcast on valences and a
valence is a solution to aproblem.
If you can't beat them, jointhem.
And now you're in that valenceis a solution to a problem If
you can't beat them, join them.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And now you're in that valence, which would be no
game, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So well, that makes you play games that that valence
would play, and you decide toplay the games that way.
Instead of playing the gamesyou should be playing In the way
that they should be played.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
It's so easy to fall into into another game, isn't it
?
As opposed to creating your own?
And that's that's what's reallycool about this is creating
your own game, right like that?
That's?
That's pretty much sayingtaking control of your own life,
right, that's.
That's all that's saying.
Yeah as opposed yeah, as opposedto jumping from board game to
(44:10):
board game to board game withgames that are already happening
, like you know, like I like theMonopoly example, because you
can have, you know, star WarsMonopoly, there's Star Trek
Monopoly, but imagine an ArthurMonopoly set, a John Monopoly
set, a Quentin Monopoly set.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
You know what I mean.
Right, look, you know, I likethat.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know, I like that .
I got my own.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Monopoly.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, yeah, lots of karaoke.
Every corner Karaoke bars.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
This is heaven.
But if you think about it,isn't that what heaven quote
unquote is like?
Isn't that what it's like?
It's like I mocked this thingup.
I mocked this thing up and it'sexactly the way I want it.
It's exactly what I want.
It's the people that I want tobe there, it's the experiences
that I want to have, it's themock-up that I want to have.
And a good movie if you guyshaven't seen it is what Dreams
(45:16):
May Come.
What Dreams May Come with RobinWilliams.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
It was such a great movie andthe whole thing.
Heaven, hell, all this stuff.
It was all a mock-up.
It was all just like what doyou make?
of it right, the picture youpaint in your own mind.
And so I think that as we startto realize this, life becomes
(45:42):
so much more enjoy.
You start to enjoy life so muchmore joyful.
That's what life becomes morejoyful, because I'm playing the
game that I want to play everytime, and if I don't want to
play it, I know how to uh kindof create it.
I know how to do somethingdifferent and I'm doing it with
a level of ease, so I don't haveto worry.
Is there risks involved?
(46:03):
Sure, but that, but that's whatmakes it a game.
Like, I'm okay with the risks,because it's what makes it a
game.
And you can't yeah, you can'tfrighten me.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yep, it is what the game is, what we make it.
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
It is what we make it , so we make the game, or we can
make a new game and one thing Ihave noticed, um, especially
around scientology, is a lot ofscientologists that work their
way up the bridge end up doingsomething pretty big with their
lives.
A lot of them have made massiveimpacts in so many different
(46:48):
fields, um, you know, even tosay as far as, like, remote
viewing programs, um, realsecret stuff that involves
highly psychic potential, um, asan example.
But then films, um, you know,world's entertainment, people in
(47:08):
law, whatever they choose, likeyou know, and a lot of them
have stuck to auditing and madethat their goal.
Like, a lot of them have madereally big impacts in whatever
they've been interested in andthe funny thing is I'll repeat
that again, whatever they'reinterested in, not just
(47:29):
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Right.
I think that's a very importantpoint to make.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, well, it's interesting, I'm going to say
this real quick.
So I mentioned about grade twoand getting the relief release
and getting all those offers andwithholds off and stuff like
that.
But grade three, grade three,which is the freedom release, it
says the ability gain isfreedom from the upsets of the
past and ability to face thefuture.
(47:58):
That's, that's the ability gainright on the grade chart.
But catch this if you look atthe, if you look at the
characteristics, if you look atthe characteristics in the
middle there, the awarenesscharacteristics, it says that at
that level grade three or so,going into grade four, I'm sorry
, grade four it says you move upinto prediction, prediction.
(48:22):
And so now what are you worried?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
about.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
You can predict the outcome, you can predict the
future.
Now again, there's still riskinvolved, there's still things
that might be different.
You don't know everything, butthere's a level of awareness
where you're not afraid to facethe future and you can predict
with some level of accuracy.
Okay, you can predict howthings are going to unfold
(48:51):
because you've rehabilitatedthat awareness characteristic as
a being right and so things getto open up for you in such a
way where you have this freedomto be and freedom to exist
because you're not afraid of thefuture and you're not being in
the effect of the past.
It's such a beautiful place tobe, geez, yeah really, it's well
(49:15):
that brings us.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
That's really good guys yeah, that that.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
That ties it up in a nice little bow for our
listeners.
We hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and you can get these
gains through AOGP.
Do it remotely.
Get your auditing from whereveryou're at using a Theta meter.
If you're listening to thispodcast and you're not familiar
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control it from our end and wecan get you to where you're
playing the games that you wantto play.
All you have to do is get intouch with us and we'll get into
(49:59):
a chat with you on Zoom andgive you all the details and get
you moving quickly up thebridge to where you can start
playing the games you want toplay the way you want to play
them, through auditing andtraining.
So for Quentin Stroud andArthur Mudakis, thanks for
listening, namaste, and we loveyou.
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Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Peace, bye-bye, peace , bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
We should start a new season.
Hi and welcome to another AOGPScientology Outside of the
Church podcast.
This is season 10, episode 31.
This one is going to be looselytitled Games, or the Games we
Play.
This was Artie's idea and I'mhere with arthur and quentin, so
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So give us a call today and getup your bridge and play a new
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So arty games.
How do you want to approachthis?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
hmm well, for me it kicked off listening to um
another podcast, um with treylots um part of the free zone.
Is trey still around or is hehe's passed, hasn't he?
No, he's still around.
Yeah, he's still.
Oh, he's still.
He's still going, is he?
okay, as far as as far as I know, yep, okay, and so after
listening to that, it it reallyaffected me on how we play games
in life, and I really enjoyedthe concept of everything we do
(02:36):
to see it as a game.
You know, how are you going toplay your next move, how are you
going to play this, how are yougoing to play this, how you're
going to play that.
But the thing that reallystruck me about it was choosing
games where the games you playare allies versus opponents, and
being able to distinguish thedifference between an ally and
(02:57):
opponent.
In whatever you do, whether it'sthrough money, whether it's
through relationships, whetherit's through friendships, um,
group circles, your work, um,pretty much through every
dynamic, um, and there's so manydifferent ways we could go
about this, um, but I think justthe idea of seeing life as a
(03:19):
game and the things we do in itkind of puts you in third person
view, like you're not.
You're not.
Person view, like you're not.
You're not in it as much,you're not.
You're not caught in theemotions as much, but you can.
You can sort of look at the wayyou do things more objectively,
um, rather than being at effect, I think just being able to
(03:39):
change your mind around how youview things can put you more at
cause than effect by looking atthings as a game and then I'm
going to bring another componentinto it early which I'm sure
we'll get into but also aroundthe power of the postulations,
around deciding what gamesyou're going to play and
(04:00):
deciding which games you don'twant to play.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, per the Scientology axioms, a thetan has
to agree to become aberrated inorder to play a game.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So the game has to be of an aberrative nature to play
it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, yeah, because as a thetan, we are operating
from a highest level ofknowingness and beingness, right
.
So in order to kind of sinkdown into games, which is still
high on the tone scale, right,but in order to sink down into
games, you have to agree tobecome aberrated, to even, like,
play this game with yourself,right, because it really is us
(04:44):
kind of creating this whole andmocking this whole game up.
I mean, we talked before aboutMonopoly and we can go down the
whole list of the ParkerBrothers games or whatever
that's out there we can like.
You have to agree that, wait,I'm going to be the or I'm going
(05:05):
to have an opponent, or I'mgoing to have an opponent.
I'm going to have thesebarriers and these freedoms and
these things that go within it.
I'm going to have a purpose toeven go around this board called
life, right, and so we kind ofhave to agree to become
aberrated, to sink down into thegame's state, if that makes
sense.
Yeah, yeah, because then downinto the game's state, if that
(05:26):
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah because then there's no game.
If there's no challenge to it,if there's no adversity, if
there's no journey, if there'sno challenges, if there's
nothing to confront you, there'sno boss at the end that you
need to defeat, then there'snothing there.
Is there Right?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
right Right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I suppose that boss is often us, to some degree
ourselves it's.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's kind of like we're defeating ourselves to win
the game well, it wouldn't be agame if you knew, knew what the
outcome was.
That's, that's the freedom'sfreedoms, boundaries and
purposes.
So you, so, if you've everplayed checkers chess with
yourself or whatever it's, it'snot a game.
It's not a game because youknow what, you know what the
(06:14):
moves are, and that's you know.
Yeah, yeah, I think Dayton'sgot to have an optimum amount of
randomity.
So the optimum amount ofrandomity is a not know Well of
randomity.
So the optimum amount ofrandomity is a not no well, will
I finish the race in first orwill I finish the race?
You know, you know the.
There's really what is it thatexpression is?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
is second place, is second place loser yeah, and
then third place is moreacceptable than second place?
Yeah, because second is theloser.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, right, right so you have these.
Yeah, that's interesting.
You create these postulates ofgames that you're going to play,
but you the postulates that youmake in the game with the
opposing terminal.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's where the aberration comes from as to what
the terminal is that you chooseto oppose, and then at the
lower end of the bridge, that'swhere the aberration is and it
was funny because the other dayQuinton and I had a really good
chat earlier in the week and Iwas sharing about a game I
(07:36):
decided to end, and the amountof things that occurred in a
different direction just fromdeciding wholeheartedly I just
don't want to play this anymore.
And then Quinton added a littlebonus to it and he goes let me
add to that.
(07:56):
I'm like, okay, I'm thinkingwhat more could you add to it?
And he says to me well, you endthis game, but you're going to
win.
And that really struck me hardbecause in my head it was just
like all right, I just want toend this game, I want out.
And then Quinton's like well,are you going to win?
(08:17):
Which really hit home for me aswell, because that just added a
whole new layer to what Ithought was good enough.
So I had to rethink mypostulate.
Okay, now that I've ended,ended this game, what do I do
next?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
how do I?
Yeah, I want to.
I want to win about it.
I want to win and end Right.
I want to end it by winning.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right yeah, not by losing.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So with these games, yeah go ahead, go Quinton, yeah
go.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
No, I was just saying .
So, with these games that we'replaying, like we're coming up
with this and we're living life,and we're coming up with this
and we're living life, and we'recreating these problems, we're
creating these opponents, we'recreating these situations where
we have to kind of like um,figure out how to level
(09:18):
ourselves up.
And this, this is the game thatI play, like I, I, I like to
level myself up in the game,right, this is the game that I
play, like I, I, I like to levelmyself up in the game, right.
And so, excuse me, whether itbe through our physical body and
going to the gym, I think,jonathan, you just did your
personal best in your um, inyour walking and getting your
exercise in.
Like, that's fantastic.
(09:40):
And so we're doing these thingsto level ourselves up in order
to be ready for the next levelor the next obstacle course or
whatever you're going on with.
You've got to be ready for thenext thing, right?
And so that's kind of how Ilook at it.
I look at it that way when itcomes to finances.
I look at it that way when itcomes to my intelligence and how
(10:02):
I operate with my intelligence.
I haven't gotten that way yetwhen it comes to working out.
But you know how I operate withmy intelligence.
I haven't gotten that way yetwhen it comes to working out,
but I'm working on it.
I gotta level up sure yeah, soso where?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
does.
Where do we take this?
Where do we take?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
this?
Where do we take this, guys?
Well, I was.
Yeah, there's a certain magic.
I've realized around this aswell, because, like, if you're
always in a game and you're juststuck just rolling dice, just
rolling dice, rolling dice,rolling dice, and you could be
stuck in the same game for so,so long and not even recognize
(10:45):
that you're stuck in the game,and then you're just going over
and over, you just keep goingaround the board constantly.
You pass, go, you collect yourmoney, you spend it.
You pass, go, you collect yourmoney, you spend it, you roll
the dice, you just randomly landwherever parking fines,
(11:05):
speeding fines, taxes,electricity, whatever and you
just keep getting stuck in thiscircle.
But then I've realized, throughmy own life experience, the
moment I decided no, no more, nomore.
Then opportunities justmagically appeared everywhere,
which created new games, butthey came with their own
(11:27):
challenges and they're andthey're challenges that I
haven't yet faced real simplethings, but things I've never
had to do and I think that'salso the hard part is
recognizing those littlemiracles that come with your
postulation and taking them.
You have to take them as wellin order to create new games as
(11:48):
well.
What do you guys say?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I think it's so interesting because when a
being is stuck in a game right.
So, like LRH talks about nogames conditions right, a no
games condition and when thebeing is is stuck in a game,
that actually is a no gamecondition, they like like you
(12:16):
don't, you don't, you don't havea way to win, there's no way to
win, I can't win at this.
Have you ever felt that waybefore?
Like I just can't win at this?
Have you ever felt that waybefore?
Like I just can't win?
You know, and it's like.
It's like when you're in thiscondition where you're stuck in
it and you can't ever win whichalso means an ending to the game
(12:36):
right, by winning you kind ofend the game.
We talked about that a secondago.
So if you're stuck in thissituation, if you're stuck at
this job or you're stuck in this, you know life or you're stuck
in this situation.
If you're stuck at this job, oryou're stuck in this life, or
you're stuck in this town oryou're stuck in this situation,
it's like you can never win.
And because you can never win,you're actually in a no games
condition, and so the way out isto invent games, and so this is
(13:01):
a really, really interestingprocess because one goes in and
starts inventing games to play.
Inventing games to play and Ithink we have a lot of
interesting games that wealready kind of work with and we
were already playing this lifebut imagine being able to like
mock up your own game.
Being able to really mock upyour own game and like, yeah,
(13:23):
this is my thing, I know I canwin this.
It comes with the air ofconfidence, it comes with a
sense of purpose, it comes witha sense of clarity that you've
mocked this game up and you'reable to win at it.
And even in that there's goingto be challenges and things that
pop up.
(13:43):
But I feel like I'm good, I canwin this.
I'm pretty confident that I canwin this game and you play it
with that level of awareness andconfidence.
A football team that has trainedso well.
They don't know the ultimateoutcome.
I don't know how many pointswe're going to get.
(14:04):
I don't know how many goalswe're going to get.
I don't know how many goalswe're going to score or whatever
, but I do know we're ready towin.
We're prepared to win, we'reready to set it off, and when
you go into the game and you runout the bleachers or you run
out the back room or whatever Idon't know what they call it and
you're like, yeah, and you'reready to win this thing.
(14:26):
That's the, that's the mostamazing feeling.
That's the most amazing feelingin the world yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's important that when you're you're, you're
playing a game and you'vedecided to play a game, you have
to have this intention to winand that you know.
Think about that.
You have to have the intentionto win, whatever it takes.
(14:54):
Whatever it takes, you have topush yourself, push yourself and
you have to decide.
Like he says in the Root toInfinity lectures, you have to
picture what it is, what endresult is.
You have to put it there.
You have to see it and make yes, it's changed the physical
universe into.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know it's, it's almost sort of a fake, it till
you make it kind of thing yeah,and then, and it's, and it's
interesting, when we come intothis life, there's already a
game set up for us and most ofus fall into that game.
You know just your standard.
You know you need to work, youneed to live, you know buy a
(15:37):
house, have a family, um, likethere's, there's a series of
games already pre-designed forus.
But then how do you create yourown game?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, you have to mock it up.
You have to mock up who you'replaying it with or what you're
playing it with, and you alsohave to be able to oh gosh,
trying to think of theexpression.
Oh gosh, trying to think of theexpression.
You have to be able to get the,how much effort you're going to
(16:10):
put in.
You know, the only way you canbe wrong is under or
overestimation of effort.
That's why I say you'd muchrather be playing a game and
overestimate it thanunderestimate it do everything
you can.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And you know that's hard to do.
I struggle overestimating mypotential ability.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Which.
I find really interesting youstruggle in overestimating or
you struggle to overestimate.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes, Well, to overestimate, yeah, okay, Like I
find that that might.
What I see my potential to beis is, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's like there's a wall there and then trying to
break through that wall can bequite, quite tricky yeah well
yeah well, go ahead no, I wasjust going to say that it's
interesting because I believethat confidence if you look at
the word confidence, con andfidelity is where it comes from
(17:14):
with faith or faithfulness isreally what it says.
Confidelity or confaith'reoperating with faithfulness of
who you are, faithfulness inyour ability, faithfulness in
what you can do, whatever thatis.
(17:34):
If I, if I'm a dishwasher, youcan't out dishwash me.
I'm sorry, you know I'm thebest dishwasher there is.
You can't, you can't beat me.
You know what I'm saying.
I always say that.
I tell Jonathan all the timeyou can't lose with the stuff I
use.
Right, my Kung Fu is strong,and so when you have confidence
(17:56):
or you operate with faithfulnessas it relates to who you are,
that actually is the way.
Like you said, thatoverestimation of effort.
I'm going to do my absolutebest.
I'm going to do everything thatI can do in order to win this
game and my opponents are myopponents.
(18:18):
You know what I'm saying and mytools are my tools and my
resources are my resources andmy points are my points and I
feel good about that.
You know, when I play Monopoly,I try to end Monopoly with
everything.
Have you ever won Monopoly?
And then you sit there and youcounted all your money.
(18:38):
That's what I do.
So after I win Monopoly, Idon't just say, okay, I won,
thank you.
I sit and I count all my money.
I add up all the propertiesthat I own, I count all the
houses that I own and I'm like,okay, and I give myself a full
status write-up this is what Iown.
I know it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, it's important that at the lower end, you
understand, at the lower end ofthe bridge, you've got games
that you're playing, that you'renot aware of, that you decided
to play and you've got the gamesplaying you instead of you
playing the game.
And that's the point is, youneed to play a game of your
(19:26):
choosing, not a game that isoverly aberrative.
Too much randomity, too littlerandomity.
You know optimum randomity, butthe thing is, is you create the
randomity of your game?
That's, that's part of thepostulate.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, okay, and that's that's, that's, that's.
That's not a small thing to getyour head around, really, um,
because, like to create yourpostulate, you know, you kind of
look at the goal as opposed tothe steps and, um, the little
bits and pieces before that goaland there's a lot of question
(20:07):
marks within that journey aswell isn't there, and I suppose
that's what kind of makes it alittle exciting, because most of
us, like most people, let's say, for example, struggle
financially.
So the end goal is to be rich,win the lotto, right, but how
many people win the lotto andthen live their life out because
(20:28):
they won the lotto, as anexample?
Um, as opposed to creatingsomething more substantial and
all those randomities that occurtowards their end goal.
You know, I just want to behappy, like, how often do you
hear that?
You know, I just, I just wantto feel joy.
How often do you hear thingslike that?
You know what I mean.
(20:48):
I want um love, I want allthese things.
I want, I want, I want, I want.
Um, they're kind of smallreally, aren't they?
As opposed to, as opposed tobecoming the best I can be,
whatever that means the best atsomething Like Quinton saying
(21:09):
with a monopoly.
He counts the hotels and hismoney at the end just to see how
much he's actually succeeded.
You're actually acknowledgingthe level of your success.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Just in a board game, yes, I give myself a serious
win.
I won this and I will tell youhow well I won it.
Yeah, yeah, you know it'sinteresting because Ella Rae
talks about this a little bit inthe games versus no games
lecture.
It was given October 25th 1956.
(21:42):
And you know, we go throughlife and we have these things
that happen to us, supposedlyright, these things that happen
to us.
And he says that I'm not goingto read it all, but he basically
talks about how we live in atwo-terminal universe and we
live in this universe wherecommunication is the way we kind
(22:05):
of have things happen right andcause distance, affect, that
whole thing.
And so he says where is it?
He said so you mock your.
He said there's a process thatdoesn't work.
He said this is not a goodtechnique.
Mock up yourself dead, Mock upyourself dead, Mock up yourself
(22:26):
dead.
He said, no good, it's not agood technique.
Mock up somebody else dead,Mock up somebody else dead, Mock
up somebody else dead.
That's a good technique.
And so when you play this game,the bad technique is to
(22:48):
disparage yourself, is to putyourself into this mock up
yourself dead.
Like, oh my God, I've messed up, oh my God, I'm a victim.
You know, oh my God, this wholething.
And so he goes on to say hesays so.
We have a tool here thatdifferentiates between good and
bad technique.
Now, I can guarantee you thatyou will undoubtedly, here and
(23:09):
there, flub on this one, thisone.
You will flub because yourpreclear is so anxious to
convince you that he is a victim.
Yeah, he's a victim.
A victim of what?
A victim of his playing games.
Yeah, he's a victim of that,but he doesn't think that he,
(23:31):
that he's a victim of that.
He thinks he's a victim of someother way.
He's only a victim of himplaying games.
Ok, and so he's.
So the free clear is trying toconvince the auditor that, but
but this is what happened.
But I'm a victim.
But I'm a victim.
But no, you're a victim ofplaying a game and not
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destroying your opponent.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Wrap your head around that yeah, yeah, I'm trying,
I'm trying, I'm telling you man.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
John Huh, what have you got for us?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I think Quentin said it best.
I mean, whatever you're doing,you're playing a game Okay, and
it's a game of your own choosing.
And if you don't want to playthat game, then you have to
change the game.
And that's the hardest thing is, you know, how do I?
(24:34):
People ask, how do I get into adifferent game?
Well, it's pretty easy.
You have to decide, you justchoose it.
You choose it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Pick it off the shelf .
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, and you have to decide, you choose it, pick it
off the shelf, well, well, well,and you have to, and you have
to counter create.
I think this is what theconversation I mean I had the
other day create, counter,create.
You have to counter create theold game and and so if you're
still, if you're still, uh,playing nice with your opponent
you know what I'm saying andyou're still kind of doing this
thing no, you got to destroy.
(25:09):
It's in it.
The good technique is mock upsomebody else dead.
That's the good technique.
The bad technique is not goingto be.
I cried when I read this,because when you really look at
life, it's like no, when itcomes to getting a job interview
, you make no qualms about it.
(25:30):
I'm going to wipe the floorwith them.
This is going to be the bestjob interview I've ever done and
I'm going to get that job andeverybody else is going to be
jobless.
You know what I'm saying as faras this position is concerned,
and you have no problem playingthat game with that scenario,
right, I'm going to get this joband nobody else will have this
position but me, right in thatsituation.
(25:52):
But when it comes to otherthings in life.
We want to be all well,everybody can win Everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
That ain't how it work.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah well, I mean you know, yeah, that's a good point
, that's a great point.
Actually, actually, there canonly be one winner.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, so my game.
Let me be clear a one winnerfor my game yes, I'm talking
about my game.
So in playing my game, therecan only be one winner.
I'm gonna win my game period.
You're not gonna win my game.
There can only be one winner.
I'm going to win my game period.
You're not going to win my gamethat don't make sense.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh, he got it.
I like that yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, so to bring it back, arthur, what was it you
were saying at the beginning ofthe podcast?
As as far as the, you know whoyou're playing the game with, or
what you're playing the gamewith then yeah, so, yeah, so the
allies and versus opponents,right, um.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So I suppose in a more subtle way, um, and I
suppose the best kind of umexample would be saying a in a
relationship, quite often wecome together as allies, we
think of the other person, wewant to help each other, but
then we soon find out that we'reactually opponents.
And then you can step that intofriendships as well.
(27:22):
You might make friendshipswhere you're allies and then all
of a sudden you becomeopponents.
And I think there's a bit of atrick, as I understand it, to
recognizing who's an ally versusan opponent as soon as possible
, like as soon as possible,right, which I suppose, where
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things like yeah, go who youplay the game with.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
If, if, if there's, if there's an I mean you know a
terminal, you know can, it couldbe.
It could be a sled dog.
You know it doesn't have to bea person, or you know it could
be.
It could be the environment.
How are you going to?
You know, how are you going tomake a cabin in Alaska?
What do I have to do to do that?
(28:10):
And that's a game, and you haveto look at what's it going to
take to do this.
And you have to understand thatevery game there's risk.
A game has risk.
What kind of risk is implied?
What you know, what are your,your opponents and what are your
allies?
You have to think about thatand say, okay, this is the type
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of game that I want to play, butyou know it's, it's a matter of
deciding.
Do I want to play and and this,you hear this a lot in
scientology well, that's areally big game.
That's something you know weshould talk about too is what's
what's a big game?
What's what's funny?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
just before we go into that.
Sorry, quentin, just somethingyou just said then, um, around
looking at the risk, looking atthis, looking at that, you could
take a potential game thatseems really big and then all of
a sudden win it really fast,just by going through that
process.
Yeah, just by sorting out allthe risks, enter the game,
knowing all the rules, and thenjust win it and then move on to
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the next one, as opposed totaking a risk and then fumbling,
trying to work out all thethings that have occurred.
Like, let's say, you buy asecond-hand car, for example,
you know, if you look that carover, get it checked by a
mechanic, you get into that car.
You know you've got X amount oftime with it, as opposed to
just grabbing it and thenrealising as you're driving it,
(29:35):
oh, it needs a gearbox, it needsa clutch, it needs this, it
needs that as you go along.
Whereas if you look after thatcar, spend the time looking at
the risks, as you said, lookingat the risks, as you said,
looking at the positives, thenyou've won a lot sooner.
I mean, it still has its risks,um, but you're minimizing the
potential risks and and you'regetting to your goal way faster
(29:58):
just by spending that little bitof time exploring those, those
elements.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, I like how lrh puts it when he refers to.
When we look along the dynamics, and he refers to that
particular dynamic, we'll justsay the fifth dynamic and it's
symbiotes.
Right, and it's symbiotes, thethings that support us and help
us along that dynamic, right.
(30:26):
So the third dynamic and it'ssymbiotes.
The fourth dynamic and itssymbiotes, and then the opposite
of that is suppressors.
So what are the things in theenvironment or in the situation
that are suppressors?
Right, and something that mightbe I think we used the word
earlier opponent and that couldcome across a little bit
(30:49):
antagonistic.
But if you look at it as asymbiote and a suppressor, this
aids cold and how deathly coldit is and you can't feel your
(31:09):
fingers because they're numb youknow that whole thing right.
And so when you look at it assymbiotes versus suppressors, I
think it like you start to seeit from a more well-rounded
place In the ethics book, whereit talks about the middle class
being PTS, right, PTS and themiddle class, and it talks about
(31:32):
how the government right and wecan see this happening right
now in the real world thegovernment is a suppressor to a
middle class family, right, it'sa suppressor.
And the way they tax and the waythey set things up and the way
you know.
You got to constantly be outhere on your grind or whatever,
whatever, and I know, especiallyin America, like not even being
(31:54):
able to have one good full-timejob and you got to have a side
hustle plus a side gig, plusOnlyFans, plus whatever.
You got to have all this otherstuff to even survive.
It's crazy, right and so, andso when we look at it from a
perspective of symbiotes versussuppressors, I think it becomes
(32:15):
a more well-rounded viewpoint.
And to what you were just saying, arthur, it's like the
understanding the rules of thegame.
There really is no way for youto lose your game.
I'm being very clear on whatI'm saying.
There's really no way for youto lose your game when you know
(32:37):
the rules of the game thatyou're mocking up.
See, most people play this gamecalled life or called love or
called money or whatever.
Most people play the gamethinking that they just making
up as they go along.
I don't do that.
I make up all my rules in thebeginning, Okay, and then I play
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the game.
And so, once I make up all myrules for my game, and then I
play my game.
I'm a win.
Win because I know the rules.
I know exactly how this playsout.
I said to you before, Arthur.
I said the higher yourstandards, the better your life,
and when you understand therules of your game, you're going
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to win every single time period.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well put.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Arthur, do you have anything else you want to add to
that?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't know, I don't think I can add more to that.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, and to the point of what we do here as
auditors and here as those thatare going up the bridge and
stuff like that, and here asthose that are going up the
bridge and stuff like that.
It's like when we study, whenwe get the tech, when we do what
we're doing right now, havingthese, I think, well thought out
conversations and reallylooking at this thing
holistically, to me it makesScientology more real for me.
(34:04):
Right, it makes the tech morereal for me, because I see now
how this actually works in mylife.
It's not this stuff on a pieceof paper or on a computer screen
or whatever.
It's actually my life beingplayed out in such a way that I
can understand it better and tome that makes it organic.
It doesn't make it clinical orcold or whatever.
(34:26):
It makes it organic.
It makes it like this is lifeplan out here, and no
differently than I would want tostudy biology in school, which
they make us study in highschool or whatever.
You study biology, you want tounderstand the basics of how
your anatomy functions and worksbreathing, respiratory system
and circulatory system and stufflike that.
(34:47):
I'm not a doctor.
Why do I need to know that?
Well, it kind of helps.
You know what I'm saying whenyou get a cold and you get the
suppressor called the rhinovirusand the suppressor gives you a
cold.
Well, now I know how to handlethat suppressor If your person
gets pneumonia or you knowpeople are getting COVID or
whatever.
You know what to do because youunderstand the respiratory
(35:09):
system.
Who would have thought that Iwouldn't know?
I wouldn't even use that afterI studied it in eighth grade.
Who would have thought I needto use that information?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But you do.
That's an interesting.
It's an interesting point, Imean, when you, when you take up
something like the COVID thingand you can agree to become
aberrated and this may be anunpopular viewpoint for people
who agree with vaccinations andstuff like that, that particular
(35:42):
one, the MNRA and the spikeprotein and all that stuff you
can agree to become aberratedand you can go into agreement
with everything you're beingtold.
But, like we said earlier, youhave to agree to become
aberrated.
And when you go, hey,something's fishy here and you
(36:06):
start looking into it and youstart getting other data and you
look at all of these out pointsand you don't get the
vaccinations, you don't let yourjob force you to get a
vaccination that you don't knowanything about and hasn't been
well tested.
You're disagreeing with playingthat game.
(36:26):
Think about that for a second.
So you're not agreeing tobecome aberrated by a
vaccination that has beenuntested.
And I think it's pretty muchpublic knowledge now that it
would be a really bad idea toget that vaccination for
something that very likely wasnot what they were saying that
(36:51):
it was.
So you're playing a differentgame by not doing that.
Think about that.
You don't agree to becomeaberrated, so you're playing
another game.
I think that it really paints astrong picture of the whole
thing.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, I've talked about this before during COVID,
you know, 20, 20, 19, 20, 20.
I went on.
I went to 20 different citiesin 2020.
I did 34 flights.
During the height of COVID, Iwas down in Florida in karaoke
bars singing karaoke, sharingthe mic.
(37:30):
We had to wipe it off with likea little wet wipe.
You know that's all we did.
We just wiped it off with alittle wet wipe and then you
headed to the next person.
Okay, and we would do.
I disagreed to play that gameof get locked in, shut in in and
cooking in my living room.
I'm not doing that.
I say I'm going to go somewhere, so I would get on play.
I was like it was like 50people in the whole airport and
(37:54):
I would get on a plane and Iwould have a whole road to
myself and I would just sleep,go to my next destination
because nobody was on the plane,because they they wanted to
become, or they became,aberrated to that game, to play
that game and I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I agree Right, and so that's a prime example of what
game you're playing in life, onthe more really the fourth
dynamic, but third dynamic also.
So to the degree that you lookat the ramifications of that
game or you decide you're goingto play a different game,
(38:29):
whether government mandates tellyou you have to do this or the
media tells you you have to dothis, that type of a thing you
go play another game and you sayno, I'm going to disagree with
that and I'm going to play thisgame.
This game is more pro-survival,simple as that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I've got a question.
Go ahead please.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Go ahead, quinton.
No, no, go ahead, I've talkedenough.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Go ahead.
I was just going to ask at whatlevel, say, if we use the
bridge.
At what level on the bridgedoes?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
this really sort of kick in for someone?
Well, at what level on thebridge does this really sort of
kick in for someone?
Well, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Come on, John, you should know the answer.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well, as far as playing the games you want to
play versus playing the gamesyou don't want to play, versus
playing the games you don't wantto play, that's you know.
That's when you get enoughcharge off of the case.
And now you don't have all ofthis counter-postulation going
on for everything that you do.
I'd say, somewhere in theneighborhood of around OT3, that
you start to be able to playthe game the way you want to
(39:41):
play it, and creating games thatyou want to play instead of
creating games that you don'twant to play it and play, and
and creating games that you wantto play instead of creating
games that you don't want toplay.
And I think that's that's thekey is getting getting being
able to postulate a game thatyou want to play, as opposed to
postulating games you don't wantto play, below, below that
(40:04):
level.
So it starts to take effect,take hold I hate to use the word
, but you're gonna manifest thegames that you want to play as
opposed to the games that youdon't want to play.
And that's the important thingis and the more charge you get
off on the OT levels, the bettergame you can play, better games
(40:26):
you can create and you knowwhat game to play, what game not
to play, that type of thing.
So that's why it's important toget up the bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, and I like how you made the distinction between
games that you're playing, youknow, self-determined, from a
self-determined viewpoint,versus unwittingly playing
certain games.
Right, because when I firstread I think it was A New Slant
on Life.
When I first read A New Slanton Life, scientology, a New
(41:01):
Slant on Life, like I got it,like I got that whole viewpoint,
like immediately the awarenessof that just kind of boom, like
it really made sense to me.
I would say, for me it wasn't.
It was when I started doing mygrades and I started going up up
in my grades that I reallystarted to understand, like, the
(41:23):
games that I want to playversus the games I don't want to
play anymore, right, um, or Iwas playing unwittingly, so to
speak, um, it was, it was goingup the grades for me um, that
that I saw life as a game, right, and I saw the games that I was
creating and mocking up versusversus somebody doing something
(41:49):
to me, right.
Which is why I don't feel like avictim.
Although there's a lot that'shappened to me in my life, I
don't feel like a victim and Idon't worry.
I don't worry because I knowI'm not a victim of the games
that I want to play, because ifI don't want to play it, I'm not
(42:10):
playing it.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm not.
I'm not a victim and I don'tworry because these are games
that I get to decide how I wantto move in and through them, and
with the knowingness that, howI'm going to, how I'm going to
to move through them, which justgoes back to those rules and
those policies and stuff.
And so to me, that it was.
(42:34):
It was reading a new sense onlife, gave me the awareness of
games and really understandingit for myself.
It was as I was going through,like through my grades, probably
like grade two, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, that's where things really start start
changing you know over it's awithhold, so you get the
withholds off.
You can start playing in areasthat you wouldn't be able to
play otherwise, because you getthe withholds off and that that
increases your reach, you knowsame thing same thing, same
thing with l11 and and doingthis, you know you're, you're
(43:08):
handling these, these counterterminals on l11, these valences
that you come across and you'regetting the overts off.
And you know we had, we did thepodcast on valences and a
valence is a solution to aproblem.
If you can't beat them, jointhem.
And now you're in that valenceis a solution to a problem If
you can't beat them, join them.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And now you're in that valence, which would be no
game, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So well, that makes you play games that that valence
would play, and you decide toplay the games that way.
Instead of playing the gamesyou should be playing In the way
that they should be played.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
It's so easy to fall into into another game, isn't it
?
As opposed to creating your own?
And that's that's what's reallycool about this is creating
your own game, right like that?
That's?
That's pretty much sayingtaking control of your own life,
right, that's.
That's all that's saying.
Yeah as opposed yeah, as opposedto jumping from board game to
(44:10):
board game to board game withgames that are already happening
, like you know, like I like theMonopoly example, because you
can have, you know, star WarsMonopoly, there's Star Trek
Monopoly, but imagine an ArthurMonopoly set, a John Monopoly
set, a Quentin Monopoly set.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
You know what I mean.
Right, look, you know, I likethat.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know, I like that .
I got my own.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Monopoly.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, yeah, lots of karaoke.
Every corner Karaoke bars.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
This is heaven.
But if you think about it,isn't that what heaven quote
unquote is like?
Isn't that what it's like?
It's like I mocked this thingup.
I mocked this thing up and it'sexactly the way I want it.
It's exactly what I want.
It's the people that I want tobe there, it's the experiences
that I want to have, it's themock-up that I want to have.
And a good movie if you guyshaven't seen it is what Dreams
(45:16):
May Come.
What Dreams May Come with RobinWilliams.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
It was such a great movie andthe whole thing.
Heaven, hell, all this stuff.
It was all a mock-up.
It was all just like what doyou make?
of it right, the picture youpaint in your own mind.
And so I think that as we startto realize this, life becomes
(45:42):
so much more enjoy.
You start to enjoy life so muchmore joyful.
That's what life becomes morejoyful, because I'm playing the
game that I want to play everytime, and if I don't want to
play it, I know how to uh kindof create it.
I know how to do somethingdifferent and I'm doing it with
a level of ease, so I don't haveto worry.
Is there risks involved?
(46:03):
Sure, but that, but that's whatmakes it a game.
Like, I'm okay with the risks,because it's what makes it a
game.
And you can't yeah, you can'tfrighten me.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yep, it is what the game is, what we make it.
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
It is what we make it , so we make the game, or we can
make a new game and one thing Ihave noticed, um, especially
around scientology, is a lot ofscientologists that work their
way up the bridge end up doingsomething pretty big with their
lives.
A lot of them have made massiveimpacts in so many different
(46:48):
fields, um, you know, even tosay as far as, like, remote
viewing programs, um, realsecret stuff that involves
highly psychic potential, um, asan example.
But then films, um, you know,world's entertainment, people in
(47:08):
law, whatever they choose, likeyou know, and a lot of them
have stuck to auditing and madethat their goal.
Like, a lot of them have madereally big impacts in whatever
they've been interested in andthe funny thing is I'll repeat
that again, whatever they'reinterested in, not just
(47:29):
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Right.
I think that's a very importantpoint to make.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, well, it's interesting, I'm going to say
this real quick.
So I mentioned about grade twoand getting the relief release
and getting all those offers andwithholds off and stuff like
that.
But grade three, grade three,which is the freedom release, it
says the ability gain isfreedom from the upsets of the
past and ability to face thefuture.
(47:58):
That's, that's the ability gainright on the grade chart.
But catch this if you look atthe, if you look at the
characteristics, if you look atthe characteristics in the
middle there, the awarenesscharacteristics, it says that at
that level grade three or so,going into grade four, I'm sorry
, grade four it says you move upinto prediction, prediction.
(48:22):
And so now what are you worried?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
about.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
You can predict the outcome, you can predict the
future.
Now again, there's still riskinvolved, there's still things
that might be different.
You don't know everything, butthere's a level of awareness
where you're not afraid to facethe future and you can predict
with some level of accuracy.
Okay, you can predict howthings are going to unfold
(48:51):
because you've rehabilitatedthat awareness characteristic as
a being right and so things getto open up for you in such a
way where you have this freedomto be and freedom to exist
because you're not afraid of thefuture and you're not being in
the effect of the past.
It's such a beautiful place tobe, geez, yeah really, it's well
(49:15):
that brings us.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
That's really good guys yeah, that that.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
That ties it up in a nice little bow for our
listeners.
We hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and you can get these
gains through AOGP.
Do it remotely.
Get your auditing from whereveryou're at using a Theta meter.
If you're listening to thispodcast and you're not familiar
(49:39):
with that, we do auditing overZoom with a Theta meter, and
that is a digital meter that youplug into your computer and we
control it from our end and wecan get you to where you're
playing the games that you wantto play.
All you have to do is get intouch with us and we'll get into
(49:59):
a chat with you on Zoom andgive you all the details and get
you moving quickly up thebridge to where you can start
playing the games you want toplay the way you want to play
them, through auditing andtraining.
So for Quentin Stroud andArthur Mudakis, thanks for
listening, namaste, and we loveyou.
(50:21):
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Peace, bye-bye, peace , bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
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