July 1, 2025 • 56 mins
Have you ever found yourself compulsively repeating behaviors that harm you, yet feeling powerless to stop? Or pursued goals relentlessly only to wonder why achieving them leaves you empty? The answers might lie in what Independent Scientology calls "implants" – electronically installed commands that drive behavior patterns not truly your own.
This episode takes you deep into the mechanics of how implants function in your spiritual existence. We begin by defining an implant as "an electronic means of overwhelming a being with significance" and explore how these create Goals Problems Masses (GPMs) – opposing purposes that battle within your mind, creating mental confusion and unwanted behavior patterns. These aren't just theoretical concepts; they explain why you might feel "this isn't really me" even as you continue behaviors you intellectually know are harmful.
The conversation expands to examine how Pain, Drug, and Hypnosis (PDH) methods have been used throughout history to control populations. From shock therapy to modern directed-energy technologies, from pharmaceutical influences to the hypnotic effect of repetitive messaging in media – these mechanisms work together to keep beings "out of valence" (not being themselves) and chasing goals that don't bring happiness. We draw connections between historical implantation techniques and present-day manifestations, showing how the same principles operate in our digital age.
Most powerfully, we reveal the core truth that "money doesn't make you happy. The only thing that makes you happy is if you are ethical and you are being yourself." Through auditing technology, these implanted purposes can be identified and resolved, allowing you to reclaim your authentic self and operate from your own determinations rather than externally imposed ones. While the realization that much of what you've been pursuing might be implanted can initially feel disheartening, this awareness is the first step toward genuine freedom.
Ready to discover your authentic self beneath layers of implantation? Contact us at +1-816-355-4606 to learn how Independent Scientology auditing can help you identify and resolve the implanted purposes affecting your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of
the Church podcast.
This is season 11, episode 14.
I'm here with Quentin StroudArthur has the evening off for
pickleball and we are going todo the topic of and this is
something we haven't done beforeat all do the topic of and this
is something we haven't donebefore at all.
(00:24):
It's going to be independentScientology.
Why they, we believe inimplants.
This should be a really goodone, and this is an extension of
the one we did last week onlies, and the only way that you
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can control someone is to lie tothem.
So keep that in mind as youlisten to this podcast.
If you haven't heard thatpodcast, go back to last week,
and I think it's episode 12.
Yeah, episode 12.
And listen to that one firstand then come back and listen to
(01:07):
episode 13 and then listen tothis one, so that you have the
context of the whole thing toour listeners.
This is going to be a lot, a lotof fun.
This will put a lot of piecestogether to everybody, and you
might as well listen to it acouple of times and go wait.
What, what, what did he?
What did he say in that podcast?
Listen to it a couple of timesand go wait.
What did he say in that podcast?
I need to listen to that again.
I highly recommend it.
(01:27):
Number of times over equalscertainty per LRH.
So let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, I also like to state that this is also
something that's come up inconversation with people with
other PCs and also inconversation when people were
talking about different podcastideas.
So if you guys have any podcastideas that you want to talk
about or you want to delve into,please by all means comment
(01:53):
below and let us know, cause wewould love to open up that
conversation if possible.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, there's always the the conundrum of how do we
feed the content monster, andfor us, a lot of things are
obvious.
It's like, well, everybodyknows that we don't want to do a
podcast on that.
That's not, I mean, that's notnecessarily the case, that's
just our viewpoint.
So let us know what you wouldlike to hear us talk about, put
(02:15):
it in the comments on YouTubeand we'll put it on the list of
topics to go.
We've got a couple other ones,um, on deck as well.
Um, that we'll be doing on deckas well.
That we'll be doing.
So we're trying to bookend thiswhole concept with this being
the sort of third in a series, aloose series, and we'll get it
going now with our definition ofwhat an implant is.
(02:39):
Take it away Q.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
All right.
Well, so first off, I'll saythis that an implant is an
electronic means of overwhelmingthe thetan or the being with a
significance.
It's an electronic means ofoverwhelming the thetan with a
significance.
And so when you're looking atan implant, when we're thinking
about an implant, what we'retalking about is a way of trying
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to overwhelm the person rightwith something that has to be
significant, has to be regarded,has to have attention on it.
Right, it's talking about theenergy behind it, the way this
thing kind of gets put in, butit's this electronic means of
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overwhelming the being with asignificance.
And if you look around life,like just now, if you look
around life, you can really spothow these significances are put
in on us.
And I'll just start withtalking about, maybe, the news
or something Breaking news, youknow, and the music and the
things come swiping at you onthe TV screen.
(03:53):
This whole production.
It's a production, right, thiswhole production that gives you
this.
You need to pay attention towhat we're about to say, because
this is significant, you see,and all of this stuff starts
this kind of thing.
And now think about that.
Now, just, that's obviously avery you know kind of in your
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face, you know a real world kindof thing.
But think about that on aspiritual level.
Thinking about that on a levelwhere it now becomes so
significant to a being, right sosignificant to a being, as to
create goals, problems, masses,things that really just that
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have to be there in order foryou to think that you're getting
somewhere.
Think that you're gettingsomewhere, Think that you're.
I can now handle life with thissignificance.
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, and, and you know you mentioned goals
problems masses.
This was something that LRHlooked into back in the early to
mid sixties, from 61 to 66.
And a goals problems problem orproblems mass or gpm, since we
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like to abbreviate everything iswhere you have a goal and then
you have a problem and then youhave mass.
So if you pictured two firehoses opposing each other and
the big ball of water as themass in the middle, that is what
a GPM is.
Now these goals problems massestypically involve and we've
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done several podcasts on thisvalences, because to have that
gold problems mass, you have tohave agreed that there is a
problem that needs a solutionand part of that gold problems
mass is you being somebody else,the whole package, your
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mannerisms, the way you talk,the way you think, the way you
postulate everything beingsomebody else as a solution.
That includes the goalsproblems mass.
Now these things get implantedinto people on the backtrack and
stay there because the personis out of valence.
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You sort the valence out, youhandle the overts and withholds
in it.
Then the person can now bethemselves and no longer has
that goal problems mass.
This was simplified in the 70swith the L rundowns, l10, 11,
and 12.
But at the bottom of this andQuentin, you know all about this
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as the why that the solution toa problem typically creates a
further problem.
So this is how this goalsproblems mass stacks up on
itself.
As you are somebody else, andthis is a form of implantation
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that causes a person to take onthis valence and or to have this
goals problems mass Could be.
One can come before the other,it doesn't matter.
Either way, this is somethingthat the being agreed to, which
we talked about in the last twopodcasts.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
What I think is amazing about this and even as
you were just talking about it,like, and you think about it, I
like how you talk about theyhave to basically like to assume
this being is.
They have to, they have tobecome something other than
right, other than themselves, inorder to try to solve the
problem.
And the first thing that comesto my mind is when you think
about those two fire hoses, kindof, and the problem is, I need
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to spray this water out to,let's say, put out a fire.
Whatever case may be, theproblem is the fire.
The solution would be to spraythe water on the fire, right.
But then if you have thisopposing hose spraying water too
because it has to put out thefire too, right, because they
have this counter intention kindof thing going on.
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And now this big ball of wateris now enmashed, coming together
, colliding together, right?
This, then, is the thing thatcreates the mass.
That's there.
Another thing that comes tomind if you ever watched Harry
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Potter, when they would usetheir wands and power towards
each, each other and in themiddle, squeeze that big old
ball of energy, you know, and itexplodes and, you know, does a
whole big old thing the ideahere is is that when you are
having to take on this otherrole, you have to become
something else in order tosurvive or in order to make this
thing better, to solve thisproblem right.
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You basically put yourself inthis state where you have to
constantly be something otherthan self in order to win, in
order to live, in order tosurvive, in order to be right.
You create this other valence.
How many times have you feltlike this is not me, like this
is not the life I really wantfor myself, this is not who I
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choose to be, this is not what Ireally want to do with my life,
this is not what I want in mylife?
And yet you keep waking upevery day when the alarm goes
off, right?
You keep waking up every daydeciding.
You decide for yourself that Igot to go to work, I got to do
this, I got to do that.
I had a client of mine who was avery notable client and had to
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like and literally would saythis I have to go on stage, I
have to do this, I have to dothis, I have to go on stage, I
have to do this, I have to dothis.
And I would say why do you keepsaying that?
Because how else am I going tosurvive?
I got, I got miles to feed, Igot miles to feed, right, and
you can, and you could feel themass.
You could feel it just intalking to my client.
(10:18):
You could feel the mass thatwas there, but there was nothing
at that at that time, nothingthat could be done to break out
of that, because I have tosurvive, you see.
And so when we talk about, whenwe talk about implants, we're
literally talking about thisthing, where it is so
significant to you that I haveto, I have to keep focusing my
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power, my, my force, my jet ofwater, my magic from my wand,
whatever it is.
I have to keep forcing it outor else I'll, you know, succumb.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right, and that is an assumed goal.
It's an assumed goal.
It doesn't mean that it is thecorrect goal or the thing, but
this is.
We're going to get back toimplants here in just a second.
But it's important to note thatthe way a GPM works is who or
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what would oppose whatever it isthat you're being, and this
comes down to the law of if youcan't beat them, join them.
So if you had who or what wouldoppose a lion, tamer, who would
be the opposing terminal?
A lion?
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A lion right, that's right.
So this goes back and forth,sort of like shoelaces in a
tennis shoe back and forth upthis scale, or actually down,
where you get further andfurther and further away because
you end up succumbing to thevalence that you originally took
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on to be the solution to theproblem that was implanted.
Now we're going to get into theforms of implantation and
everything here in a minute, butit's safe to say that these
GPMs can be incredibly long,where you started out wanting to
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be your own goal, to be acircus clown, and then who or
what would oppose a circus clown?
And then who or what wouldoppose a circus clown, a circus
manager or a circus owner or theaudience or something like that
.
And it goes back and forthbecause if you can't beat them,
join them.
Now you have another goal andyou keep going further and
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further and further and furtheraway through this labyrinth of
terminals and beingnesses andpurposes and solutions to
problems and everything as yourgoal.
Then you lose your way.
But at the bottom of that, asfar as a GPM is concerned, most
of the time, especially on thewhole track, there was something
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someone put there to lead youoff of the path that you wanted
to take of who you really were,because they needed you out of
the way.
In other words, how do youcontrol someone?
You lie to them and using them.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and and, and, and.
It's so interesting how, whenyou say they need you out of the
way because it says here, uh,it says in the uh tech volume on
, uh, may 8th 1963, thenatureation of the GPM.
He literally says that andwhere is it?
Implants result in all varietyof illness, apathy, degradation,
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neurosis and insanity, and arethe principal cause of these in
man.
And so by putting these thingsthere, these implants, it really
is intended to get you out ofthe way, get you not functional,
get you out of the way, get youjust kind of walking around in
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this zombie-like state, if atall right, in order to get you
out of the way, so that the oneimplanting the implants, the one
putting it in, can move freelyabout.
And you can see this in life.
You can see it in life, you cansee it in relationships, you
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can see it in parents, you cansee it in so many other things,
just to get you out of the way,to shut you up, to sit you down,
so that you won't be in my way.
How many times has that everoccurred to you?
That this is what's happening?
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Now this is.
This is what's going on now,and this is what's been going on
in this universe for squillionsof years that work.
So how this happened is you havethese societies and they came
to realize that back when thephysical universe was much
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younger and was and I'm going touse I use this all the time
with uh, you know our public andeverything.
Have you ever used a chalkboardwhere and I I use this all the
time with uh, you know ourpublic and everything have you
ever used a chalkboard where andI think I mentioned this in the
podcast a year or two ago whereyou have a brand new chalkboard
just came right out of the boxand you take that piece of chalk
and you, you, you hang thechalkboard up on the wall and
you ride on the chalkboard andyou go wow, look, how brilliant
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that chalk is on that chalkboard, because all that's there is
the slate.
There's no residual chalk inthe pores of that slate, so the
slate picks up the chalk as youdrag it down.
Friction leaves the chalk onthe chalkboard.
So what you've got is you'vegot a clean space or a metaphor
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for a physical universe wherethere hasn't been any other
alteration other than thepersistence of the universe
itself.
Okay, that's the chalkboard.
And then you go and you mark upthe chalkboard with the chalk
for the first time.
You're like, wow, this isreally vibrant.
Look how bold that is, itpersists.
And you're like that'sbrilliant.
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And if you've ever used thechalkboard, that's been around
for 20, 30 years, it doesn'thold the chalk very well at all
because it is so used up.
There's no place for the chalkto go into the pores or the
molecules between the slate.
Now imagine that as the physicaluniverse way, way, way back on
the backtrack.
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So you've got a universe wherethere wasn't this create
counter-create, createcounter-create, create
counter-create, createcounter-create going on.
You had a clean chalkboard andthese societies said you know,
hey, this is great, but thething is is you were dealing
with beings who weren't nearlyas aberrated at the time.
So you have a lot of people,beings, thetans, different
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bodies, that type of thing, andthey're going around and they're
counter-postulating thesesocieties, because LRH says the
universe is teeming, litteredwith life and they're opposed.
And this gets back to the GPM.
These beings in this society whoare counter to the societies,
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the governments and things likethat, started counter-creating
against these societies.
So these societies said we'vegot to shut them up, we've got
to get them out of the waybecause they're too powerful,
we've got to do something toprevent them from stopping us in
achieving our goals, goals,problems, mass.
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So the society said, okay, wegot to lie to them somehow,
we've got to control them.
How do we control them?
Wait for it Pain drug, hypnosisor, as we say in Scientology,
pdhing.
So if you use pain drug andhypnosis on a being in order to
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lie to them, to control them, totell them that black is white
and white is black and love ishate and hate is love, it conf
them a little bit and they startto get distracted and have
another goal other thancountering the society within
which they're living in thatthey disagree with.
Sound familiar, maybe toofamiliar, like today.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right, I don't know Today, like any city in the
world.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, this planet, you know know the fourth dynamic
at large.
How do you control?
somebody well you lie to them,then okay.
So how do you get that lie tostick?
Well, you use pain drugs,hypnosis, especially if they
have a body.
You can do it to a thetan aswell by throwing them into a
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body and doing that pain drughypnosis, which is a lot easier
if the body's catatonic and isjust being used as a vessel to
further implant the thetan.
Because it's a lot easierbecause the thetan is connected
to it, at least briefly.
This is going on to this veryday on this planet more on that
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later.
So once you use pain drug orhypnosis on the thetan, now
they're out of the way.
But if you'll recall ourpodcasts and the tech and the
technical volumes and in yourauditing, you know that once an
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overt is committed on the thirdor fourth dynamic by these
societies, they're going to pullin a motivator that causes them
to commit another overt.
So what happens is thesesocieties folded up in on
themselves but yet left all ofthese beings under these lies
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with pain drug and hypnosis andthey themselves destroyed
themselves for the major thirdand fourth dynamic overts.
They committed in planningthese, these engrams, into these
beings, who then carried themforward up to present time and
then were dropped here on thisplanet.
You can believe that.
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If you, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
If you don't believe it, but that's, that's, that's
the the fact of it, really.
So you see that here today aswell We'll get into that here in
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just a second that this is nothome, right?
This is not our home domicile,right?
Even when somebody passes away,we call it a homegoing service.
At least where I'm from we callit.
Oh, you know, we have ahomegoing service for grandmama.
We have a homegoing service,you know.
Or there's this idea that uponleaving this three-dimensional
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reality called life, uponleaving this three-dimensional
reality called life, uponleaving this place, that there
is a place or there's anexperience beyond that one is
returning to on some level.
And so to me it just kind ofmakes sense that if this ain't
home, if I wasn't supposed tooriginally be here, why am I
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here?
And if I'm here for asignificant reason or for some
significance, what got me doingthis?
What's this all about?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
How did I end up here again?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Right.
How in the world I thought Imade a left when I'm supposed to
make a right?
right, I made a wrong turn atwrong turn at albuquerque,
exactly bugs buddies and you endup yeah, and you end up, and
you end up back in this wholeconundrum and trying to figure
things out.
And what I love about umstudying and researching and
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reading and diving into the tech, what I love about auditing and
figuring out things foryourself is what auditing really
is just you kind of taking alook for yourself.
You start to see what you neverthought you might see.
You start to realize or cognizeon things that you never
thought about until you're insession and you're running these
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things the way LRH meant to beran, and you start to see what
you never imagined.
It's such an interestingjourney.
You know what I'm saying.
And so this is when we talkabout implants.
I like how you went into thepain, drug hypnosis, because
when you even look at therearing and raising of children,
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right, when you even look atslavery and the way people would
deal with enslaved people, thepain that was inflicted you know
what I mean the pain that wasinflicted in order to keep them
in line, to keep them, you know,doing what needed to be done
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for the powers that be, orwhatever.
The pain was significant.
Well now, because obviously youcan't just go around beating
people with whips.
So now they do it with drugs,right, which is basically like a
chemical whipping.
It's a chemical whipping, right, and now every time that drug
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enters your system, it's a lash.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right.
You know it attenuates yourawareness and drops you into the
blackness of the case, thereactive mind.
Because you're not in presenttime, you're re-stimulating
earlier incidents, thusdisallowing them to be in
present time.
Once you've got them out ofpresent time, now you can
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implant them, because everythingequals everything else.
Yep, a equals A equals A Right.
So in this society, in ourpresent day society and we
didn't talk about this before westarted doing the podcast,
because we always go over thematerial that we're going to
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talk about before we start thepodcast so we got our homework
done, the material that we'regoing to talk about before we
start the podcast.
So we've got our homework doneOne of the things that it isn't
obvious to us, because, aspeople in bodies, you tend to
see in the society.
If you can't see it, it doesn'texist, okay.
But the body operates in anextremely narrow band within the
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electromagnetic spectrum we'vetalked about this many, many,
many times before where there'sthings going on that your body
cannot see, because you can onlysee a very narrow band in the
electromagnetic spectrum with ameat body.
So there's a there.
So there's all this other stuffgoing on that you're not aware
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of, that you can't see Now, youmay be able to perceive it in
other ways other than vision,maybe audio, maybe sensation.
I mean you know there's 54different perceptions, but only
a handful of those really makethe big difference.
And then you have the Thetan'sperceptions as well, and every
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being on this planet has avarying degree of awareness and
perception.
And as one gets, audited right,as as you get auditing, your
perceptics increaseexponentially and you start to
become aware of the fact thatthere's a lot more going on.
And this is a pun, but it isn'tthan meets the eye.
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So you start to perceive things, you start to know things, you
start to get out in front of thephysical universe by seconds,
minutes, hours, days, and youknow that things are going to
happen, and sometimes you knowwhat they are way before it ever
shows up in the physicaluniverse.
So the point that I'm trying tomake is is that there's a lot
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going on in the electromagneticspectrum, in this, the physical
universe, the three-dimensionalrealm as you called it a moment
ago, that we can't see and wearen't able to perceive.
And I'm just going to say it Now.
We've got 5G cell towers, forexample, and in your home they
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can use that 5G wave and plotout where it is you are in your
home what your body position is,as if it was an actual picture.
This is something that is goingon at this very moment, on at
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this very moment that, if youhave the software to interpret
it, you can do with a 5G routeror routers in your home,
especially if you have atriangulation going on.
You have three, we have fivehere at this house, so that's an
example of things you cannotsee that do exist, and software
can interpolate your positionand what you're doing, even what
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you're saying.
Think about that for a moment.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay, without a microphone just using the
positioning and frequency andthe movement.
So all that stuff can be allinterpreted.
That's right.
Yeah, and I think you know.
Back on the point of implants,I think this was really
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interesting is that when youlook at behaviors and Ellery
says here that he says doesrunning an implant change the
PC's pattern of behavior?
He says the only troublesomepatterns of behavior the PC has
reactively are from theseimplants and the resurgence and
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relief is enormous when you runout these implants.
And so when you look at thebehavioral patterns, when you
look at the way people behave,the way people act, right, and
sometimes they'll even say Idon't know what got into me.
Or sometimes they'll even saystuff that you know that just
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wasn't me, or I blacked out, orI just went into this place,
that I don't even know whathappened.
You know that just wasn't me orI blacked out, or I just went
into this place, that I don'teven know what happened.
You know, you can see thesebehavior patterns that show up
and even when I was dealing withthis with another client, even
when they know what they'redoing but they can't stop
themselves, that's right, that'sright.
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They're driven, they know it'sright.
That's right, they're driven,they know it's been drilled into
them, they know what they'redoing is harmful to their
relationship, they know whatthey're doing is harmful to
their body, they know whatthey're doing is harmful and yet
they can't stop themselves.
These are real world thingsthat we're talking about.
We're not talking aboutsomething spooky.
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Okay, no-transcript, okay.
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And he says does this change thedefinition of clear?
No, it clarifies it.
Clear could mean a Thetancleared of enforced and unwanted
behavior patterns anddiscomforts.
That's what he clarified as aclear in this particular
reference.
And unwanted behavior patternsand discomforts.
That's what he clarified as aclear in this particular
reference.
And so, as you're looking atthis and as you're thinking
about your own life, your ownexperiences, your own, the
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people around you and even someof your own stuff, as you're
thinking about it, when you lookat independent Scientology as a
way of helping yourself rightas a part of your personal
development, what is it that youmight not be aware of that's
sticking you in these behaviorpatterns?
What is it that you might notbe aware of that has enforced
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and unwanted behaviors anddiscomforts?
And these are the things thatwe go looking for and dealing
with through independentScientology.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Right Now to get back to how these things occur and
how you implant someone.
The reason why I brought up the5G thing is that we have the
technology on this planet todirect energy in certain
frequencies and in very, very,very specific locations, either
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geographically on the ground orfrom the air.
I mean, they have direct energyweapons that they can use from
satellites.
If they can do that with asatellite, they can do that with
5G or other types of theelectromagnetic spectrum.
So that takes us directly overto pain.
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Now, when we were talking aboutthis prior to the podcast,
quentin was talking about shocktherapy that psychiatrists use.
That is a very, very archaicmeans of causing pain
electronically.
Now, they were doing this backin the 50s, all the way up to
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present.
That's one way, but the otherways could be far more
technological in theirproduction and means to convey
energy in order to get a desiredresult.
If you could direct a beam ofenergy or you could direct a
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wave of energy and propagate itfrom a tower, let's just say to
the masses, from a tower, let'sjust say to the masses, all you
have to do is send that wave outto get a desired result in
people.
They've done experiments onthis and is factual.
This isn't science fiction,okay.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's pain.
Okay, now we'll leave it thatwe won't get into all of the you
know background information onthis.
You know what Google is.
You know what Yahoo is.
You know what DuckDuckGo is.
Look it up Now.
Drugs and hypnosis these are thelower bands on how you can get
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somebody implanted with aparticular concept slash valence
and restimulate an earliervalence.
The valence is already there.
Okay, You've been lots and lotsand lots of people that all
have their varying waves, if youwill, as far as what it takes
to trigger that valence orre-stimulate that valence.
Drugs and hypnosis Look at oursociety how prevalent and it is
(33:48):
daunting and it takes a hell ofa lot of confront to look at the
fact that.
Forget COVID.
The bigger pandemic is drug useand pharmaceuticals, and when
you take these drugs, whatyou're doing is you're
(34:08):
attenuating the person, thethetan in charge, vis-a-vis the
body, the brain connected to thethetan.
Okay, you're attenuating theirawareness.
You're lowering their awarenessand I'm gonna I'm just gonna
say this because it's it's thetruth you're lowering their
frequency.
(34:29):
Okay, the tone scale.
Yes, you're lowering them onthe tone scale to the point that
they accept commands with drugs.
This is how governments implantpeople.
This is how you get aManchurian candidate.
Look it up.
It's a 1960s movie with one ofthe most popular crooners of all
(34:56):
time.
I won't say his name, but lookit up and he's the main
character in this movie calledthe Manchurian candidate.
They made a version of it inthe 1990s with Denzel Washington
.
That was so good, great, greatmovie.
The original is even better.
But this is how you create aManchurian candidate is you
implant them with a goal?
(35:17):
Okay, now let's, let's just fora moment say this goal would be
to kill a U S president.
That is an implant.
This is how this planet works.
Is is you get somebodyimplanted with a goal.
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Make them the assassin.
They become the patsy.
You get rid of the so-calledassassin, so there's no trail
back to you, and then you'refree and clear.
Now, this is, this is how thisplanet operates.
Okay, in this case, I can'ttell you what Lee Harvey Oswald,
(35:59):
how they PDH him, but Iguarantee you that they did Okay
, because all beings are arebasically good.
And another good movie to watchis JFK by Oliver Stone.
Watch that movie and it's along one, but it's it's some of
the some of the best acting, thebest portrayal of that
particular incident with JohnKennedy I've ever seen.
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Now, granted, they took literarylicense with it and everything
like that, but the point beingis, with pain, drug hypnosis,
you can get anybody to doanything you want them to if you
put in enough force.
If you remember, back inDianetics book one, lrh talked a
lot, a lot about what it wasthat you said when a person was
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experiencing in an engram don'ttalk, don't talk, don't talk,
don't talk, don't say anything,because that becomes part of the
engram.
Yes, yes, that is true.
But lrh later iterates.
He says it's not what's said inthe engram, but the force.
The force is what sticks, thethetan.
(37:05):
Here's why and I'm not going togive the name of the reference,
but I'm going to give you someof the information we talked
about this before the podcast.
What you're running into is athetan wants to hold their
ability in space.
That is the definition of OT.
Power is the ability to hold aposition in space.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Position in space that's right.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
This works against the Thetan because when you
start opposing force andsomebody says, johnny, get in
your room, you're groundedwithout dinner.
What happens to Johnny?
He resists.
Okay, now you have an engram.
(37:52):
That is why engrams persist.
Engrams persist is because youhave this.
Wait for it.
Force, counter force.
It isn't the contents of theengram that is aberrative to the
being, it is the fact that theyare holding that image there to
hold their position in space,plain and simple.
(38:15):
And they're keeping thatpicture there as a reminder.
They're putting the picture onthe thetanic wall.
Look at this picture.
Look at this picture.
Look at this picture.
Remember what happened.
Remember what happened Danger,danger, danger.
Look at this picture Holding myposition, holding my position.
Okay, that's why engrams stickin the reactive mind is because
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the thetan is the one putting itthere.
Remember what happened there.
Remember what happened.
Remember what happened.
This is what causes ptsd.
Same thing, same thing.
Never forget this, never forgetthis, never forget this.
That's right.
And he also goes on to say thatit isn't the implant that is so
(38:59):
aberrative to the thetan, it isthe fact of what we just
described.
Hold the position, hold theposition, hold the position,
hold the position, mock it up,mock it up, mock it up.
How about that?
That's how you create.
If you know what you're doing.
How you can create an implant isyou put something there and try
(39:20):
to push the thetan off of thatposition.
That post, that base, whateverit is.
Wherever they're at as a being,they're going to hold it and
resist.
That is goals, problems, mass,as simply put as we can put it.
All because of pain, drugs,hypnosis, and it takes a body
(39:45):
for the most part to get thissort of thing to stick.
But you can do it.
Do it to a thetan as well withenergy.
But on this planet, drugs sticka person because what's
happening there?
The thetan wants to be inpresent time.
The drugs say no, no, no, no,we're going to re-stimulate you
and it's going to be through thebody.
And now you feel this euphoria.
You're being pushed off ofwanting to be in present time,
(40:07):
trying to hold your position,and the drugs are dragging you
back down the track.
That's how drugs do it.
Now let's get into hypnosis.
If you remember Goebbels fromthe Nazis in Germany in World
(40:33):
War II, what he said is true isif you repeat a lie often enough
, people will believe it.
Now you take that inconjunction with pain and drugs.
Everybody on this planet ischasing the dollar.
Why?
Because it's made that way onpurpose.
You can't.
You can't hold your.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're being pushed off of it.
I'm running out of money.
(40:53):
I'm running out of money.
I need more money.
I have to handle this.
This is a present time problem.
It's an ARC break.
You commit over it in order tosurvive.
It's a solution to a problem,and you're doing that because
you're out of valence already.
So you can see the conundrum.
So you're already attenuatedwith the reactive mind, or
you're already attenuated with acomposite case that is driving
(41:16):
you in a particular directionother than the direction that
you want to go in.
This is what auditing handles.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So this whole idea of wait, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
The hypnosis comes in the form of you know, simply
put you listen to the radiostation.
How many times have you heard asong on the radio?
Over and over and over and overand over and over?
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,repeat.
Learn the lesson, learn thelesson, learn the prediction.
What's the rhythm?
What do the lyrics say?
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The lyrics are restimulative.
The lyrics are put there torestimulate you.
The beat is put there torestimulate you.
Remember, we talked about thisin the last podcast.
120 beats per minute, becausethat is what people can have,
because where they're at, as acase, that's the only thing that
they can set.
That's, that's the onlyacceptable randomity between 40
(42:09):
and 240 beats per minute.
120 beats is where smack dab atcenter, smack dab in the center
.
So if you speed it, whathappens when you hear a song
that's slower?
Especially if it's in a minorkey, it makes you sad.
If it's in a major key, itmakes you feel happy.
(42:30):
Okay, because those are varyingdegrees of ARC on the tone
scale.
Okay.
So if you're already attenuatedbecause of everything that's
going on in life, you're tryingto survive and it's so freaking
difficult.
Why is everything so hard?
Because it's created that way.
Because if everything was easyand nobody was wanting for
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everything and everyone had ahome and they had food and they
were able to survive.
Where would things be?
They wouldn't be able tocontrol you, so they have to
create it, so that you'reconstantly chasing after
something.
That isn't what makes you happy.
Money doesn't make you happy.
It may solve a problem.
The only thing that makes youhappy is if you are ethical and
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you are being yourself.
Otherwise, you pose problemsthat then create further
problems as a solution tosurvival because you're being
somebody else, you're out ofvalence and that is because you
are chasing implanted goalsother than those that are yours
when you are yourself.
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Mic drop, pain, drug hypnosis,repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,
repeat and I'm just using thisas an analog for it with music.
Forget about what's on yourphone, what's on social media,
what's on television, what's onYouTube it doesn't matter, I
(44:05):
mean television anymore.
The line isn't even blurred,they're all one in the same.
So hypnosis is the number oftimes that you repeat it, as
long as you're attenuated andyou're not fully in present time
, because you're being bombardedwith all of this restimulation
that restimulates these goals,valences and earlier implants.
(44:27):
This is why it is so importantto get auditing and unravel this
Gordian knot.
It's a famous knot in historythat Alexander the Great solved.
The solution of the story wenthe who could unwind this big
(44:48):
knot of rope would rule theworld.
And Alexander walked up to itand slashed it in half with his
sword and became ruler of theknown world.
This is what auditing does fora budget.
That's brilliant.
So here we are.
This is how this whole thingworks, and we didn't mention a
(45:12):
whole lot about overrides andwithholds and everything like
that, but that's a big part ofit.
But the thing is, is goalsproblems mass come about through
implantation of false goals.
Otherwise there's no problemthere.
It's the thetan that is tryingto hold their position in space
(45:32):
and being pushed off of it by afalse goal, being lied to in
order to be controlled andagreeing with that lie that
causes them to go into thatlabyrinth from which they may
never return on the whole trackunless they get audited.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, that's right.
And you know, I think it'sinteresting because when, when
we look at our own lives and welook at the things that we are
pursuing, the things that we goafter with such fervor, and one
might say, well, that's just me,right, that's just me.
(46:08):
I mean, I'm going to chase mybag, I'm going to chase that
money, you know, I'm going toget my paper, you know, that's
just me, that's just the kind ofperson I am, and you ask
yourself, or one might say tothemselves, why is that just you
Like, why is that just you?
You know, even when it comes torelationship, right, that there
is this whole idea that existssomewhere, somehow, that, like
(46:31):
that, I want to, I have to be inthis, I have to do this or I
have to do that, right?
These are things that you wantto take a look at at, or that
you might come to discover foryourself where they really come
from, where they could come from.
Lrh has here in the same,reference about heartbreak.
(46:52):
It's interesting.
He says one's first reaction tothis news may be one of
heartbreak, feeling betrayed,etc.
I felt the same way when Ifound it out.
Then I realized the emotioncame out of the implants
themselves.
One is supposed to feel he hasit.
(47:14):
In italics, one is supposed tofeel disheartened and betrayed
when he or she realizes it.
That keeps it from being undone.
It leaves the being trapped.
We just said this.
Right, it leaves the beingtrapped.
The reaction is just part ofthe trap.
Before I realized this, I onlywaited a day or two to be sure.
(47:38):
I have always persevered in myhonesty with you and have given
you a vital research datum asfast as I knew it, regardless of
its palpability.
This is one of those times andI'm telling you guys this that
if you're hearing thisconversation and we're talking
(47:58):
about implants and we're talkingabout these things, that might
not really be you.
And you're hearing thisconversation and we're talking
about implants and we're talkingabout these things, that might
not really be you, and you'regoing after them and you're
chasing after them and doing allthis other stuff or whatever,
and if you feel disheartened, ifyou feel betrayed, if you feel
the feeling of that and whatthat could represent, it says
(48:19):
here, one is supposed to feelthat way because that is what
keeps.
It.
Says here, when it's supposedto feel that way because that is
what keeps it from being undone.
That's what keeps you fromwanting to go up the bridge,
that's what keeps you fromwanting to get in session and
deal with these things, because,oh gosh, it's so tragic, it's
so disheartening, it's so heavy,it's so much that anxiety, that
(48:40):
PTSD, those feelings to try tokeep it in there right.
And so even LRH felt that way,and yet he had to persevere in
his honesty and giving this tous, this datum, this research
datum dealing with and we knowhow to deal with them.
(49:05):
It takes a high, high level ofconfront to be able to sit in
the chair, get on the cans andget in session.
And the beautiful thing abouthere at ALGP is that we do it
remotely, so you can hold yourposition in space as a Thayden,
right in your own home, and youcan sit down and begin a session
.
And we get in and we startgoing after the things that need
(49:27):
to come up and need to get outof there.
So I think this is a really,really good conversation.
I hope you understand afterthis conversation why we, as
independent Scientologists,believe and I'm putting that in
quotations now why we believe inimplants and what this whole
thing could represent.
And so I say take a look foryourself.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, and it's important to note and say and I
probably should have put this atthe beginning of the podcast,
because some of this stuff isn'treal to a lot of our listeners
is, if it's true for you, it'strue for you, okay, and what
your reality is now is what yourreality is.
But I guarantee you that ifyou're honest with yourself and
(50:10):
you get in the chair and you getsome auditing, you get some
training, you'll start to seethat there are truths there that
were heretofore uninspected andyour awareness starts to come
up and your truth starts tochange.
And truth is only as palpableas you are aware of it, which
LRH mentioned in the quote thatQuentin just spoke about.
(50:31):
So you don't know what youdon't know, and the definition
of the word Scientology isknowing how to know.
So, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
And I think that it's important to note that this is
not us telling you what youshould believe right or how you
should govern yourselfaccordingly, but what it is
saying is is that if you take alook for yourself and see if
there is something to this, ifthere is something there, if
there is something that youmight need to handle in session,
(51:11):
this is where it could be done.
Who is expertly trained andcares enough I think that's
important to say too Somebodywho is trained enough and cares
enough to do this with you.
He he says in another reference, at 27 May 19,.
(51:33):
He said lucky is the PC whoseauditor has understood this
bulletin, and lucky is theauditor.
May his own case run well.
And so lucky is the PC who hasan auditor who understands this
stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Okay, yeah, that's what it all comes down to, and
you won't know if you don't try.
Things don't change unless youchange them, and this is how we
change them is with thisinformation and the application
of this information, standardly,correctly, appropriately in
(52:10):
time, on a gradient.
And that's how auditing worksis little steps at a time, a
little bit bigger steps at atime, and your awareness comes
up, your confront comes up andyou're like damn, I feel great.
And then, all of a sudden, yourreality, your truths, change,
(52:30):
because you see things from adifferent perspective than you
did before, and at some pointyou will be in.
Well, it's it's a misnomer tosay that you will be in your own
valence.
You are just you.
A valence is something otherthan who you are, and that's
what implantation has done toevery single being in this
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sector of the galaxy, at aminimum per LRH, and I agree
with that statement and I standbehind it.
So does Quentin.
So avail yourself of thistechnology.
Contact us 816-355-4606 in theUnited States.
So yeah, and we have otherpackages that we're going to be
(53:16):
releasing this month.
The 50% off bridge packagespecial ended yesterday.
The 50% off Bridge PackageSpecial ended yesterday, but
contact us for details on whatwe're going to be doing for the
month of July 2025.
So, for Quentin and myself, Ithink this has been a very
illuminating explanation of somevery complex concepts and we've
(53:38):
tried to distill it down asbest we could through analogies
to get it across to you guys asour listeners.
And we want you to distill itdown as best we could through
analogies to get it across toyou guys as our listeners, and
we want you to know that weappreciate you for listening and
listening to these podcasts,podcast after podcast, week
after week, month after month,year after year.
We're here for you.
We want to help you, helpyourself, namaste, and we love
(54:04):
you.
Thank you, thank you.
Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of
the Church podcast.
This is season 11, episode 14.
I'm here with Quentin StroudArthur has the evening off for
pickleball and we are going todo the topic of and this is
something we haven't done beforeat all do the topic of and this
is something we haven't donebefore at all.
(00:24):
It's going to be independentScientology.
Why they, we believe inimplants.
This should be a really goodone, and this is an extension of
the one we did last week onlies, and the only way that you
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can control someone is to lie tothem.
So keep that in mind as youlisten to this podcast.
If you haven't heard thatpodcast, go back to last week,
and I think it's episode 12.
Yeah, episode 12.
And listen to that one firstand then come back and listen to
(01:07):
episode 13 and then listen tothis one, so that you have the
context of the whole thing toour listeners.
This is going to be a lot, a lotof fun.
This will put a lot of piecestogether to everybody, and you
might as well listen to it acouple of times and go wait.
What, what, what did he?
What did he say in that podcast?
Listen to it a couple of timesand go wait.
What did he say in that podcast?
I need to listen to that again.
I highly recommend it.
(01:27):
Number of times over equalscertainty per LRH.
So let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, I also like to state that this is also
something that's come up inconversation with people with
other PCs and also inconversation when people were
talking about different podcastideas.
So if you guys have any podcastideas that you want to talk
about or you want to delve into,please by all means comment
(01:53):
below and let us know, cause wewould love to open up that
conversation if possible.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, there's always the the conundrum of how do we
feed the content monster, andfor us, a lot of things are
obvious.
It's like, well, everybodyknows that we don't want to do a
podcast on that.
That's not, I mean, that's notnecessarily the case, that's
just our viewpoint.
So let us know what you wouldlike to hear us talk about, put
(02:15):
it in the comments on YouTubeand we'll put it on the list of
topics to go.
We've got a couple other ones,um, on deck as well.
Um, that we'll be doing on deckas well.
That we'll be doing.
So we're trying to bookend thiswhole concept with this being
the sort of third in a series, aloose series, and we'll get it
going now with our definition ofwhat an implant is.
(02:39):
Take it away Q.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
All right.
Well, so first off, I'll saythis that an implant is an
electronic means of overwhelmingthe thetan or the being with a
significance.
It's an electronic means ofoverwhelming the thetan with a
significance.
And so when you're looking atan implant, when we're thinking
about an implant, what we'retalking about is a way of trying
(03:05):
to overwhelm the person rightwith something that has to be
significant, has to be regarded,has to have attention on it.
Right, it's talking about theenergy behind it, the way this
thing kind of gets put in, butit's this electronic means of
(03:32):
overwhelming the being with asignificance.
And if you look around life,like just now, if you look
around life, you can really spothow these significances are put
in on us.
And I'll just start withtalking about, maybe, the news
or something Breaking news, youknow, and the music and the
things come swiping at you onthe TV screen.
(03:53):
This whole production.
It's a production, right, thiswhole production that gives you
this.
You need to pay attention towhat we're about to say, because
this is significant, you see,and all of this stuff starts
this kind of thing.
And now think about that.
Now, just, that's obviously avery you know kind of in your
(04:16):
face, you know a real world kindof thing.
But think about that on aspiritual level.
Thinking about that on a levelwhere it now becomes so
significant to a being, right sosignificant to a being, as to
create goals, problems, masses,things that really just that
(04:36):
have to be there in order foryou to think that you're getting
somewhere.
Think that you're gettingsomewhere, Think that you're.
I can now handle life with thissignificance.
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, and, and you know you mentioned goals
problems masses.
This was something that LRHlooked into back in the early to
mid sixties, from 61 to 66.
And a goals problems problem orproblems mass or gpm, since we
(05:11):
like to abbreviate everything iswhere you have a goal and then
you have a problem and then youhave mass.
So if you pictured two firehoses opposing each other and
the big ball of water as themass in the middle, that is what
a GPM is.
Now these goals problems massestypically involve and we've
(05:39):
done several podcasts on thisvalences, because to have that
gold problems mass, you have tohave agreed that there is a
problem that needs a solutionand part of that gold problems
mass is you being somebody else,the whole package, your
(06:03):
mannerisms, the way you talk,the way you think, the way you
postulate everything beingsomebody else as a solution.
That includes the goalsproblems mass.
Now these things get implantedinto people on the backtrack and
stay there because the personis out of valence.
(06:26):
You sort the valence out, youhandle the overts and withholds
in it.
Then the person can now bethemselves and no longer has
that goal problems mass.
This was simplified in the 70swith the L rundowns, l10, 11,
and 12.
But at the bottom of this andQuentin, you know all about this
(06:50):
as the why that the solution toa problem typically creates a
further problem.
So this is how this goalsproblems mass stacks up on
itself.
As you are somebody else, andthis is a form of implantation
(07:11):
that causes a person to take onthis valence and or to have this
goals problems mass Could be.
One can come before the other,it doesn't matter.
Either way, this is somethingthat the being agreed to, which
we talked about in the last twopodcasts.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
What I think is amazing about this and even as
you were just talking about it,like, and you think about it, I
like how you talk about theyhave to basically like to assume
this being is.
They have to, they have tobecome something other than
right, other than themselves, inorder to try to solve the
problem.
And the first thing that comesto my mind is when you think
about those two fire hoses, kindof, and the problem is, I need
(07:56):
to spray this water out to,let's say, put out a fire.
Whatever case may be, theproblem is the fire.
The solution would be to spraythe water on the fire, right.
But then if you have thisopposing hose spraying water too
because it has to put out thefire too, right, because they
have this counter intention kindof thing going on.
(08:19):
And now this big ball of wateris now enmashed, coming together
, colliding together, right?
This, then, is the thing thatcreates the mass.
That's there.
Another thing that comes tomind if you ever watched Harry
(08:48):
Potter, when they would usetheir wands and power towards
each, each other and in themiddle, squeeze that big old
ball of energy, you know, and itexplodes and, you know, does a
whole big old thing the ideahere is is that when you are
having to take on this otherrole, you have to become
something else in order tosurvive or in order to make this
thing better, to solve thisproblem right.
(09:11):
You basically put yourself inthis state where you have to
constantly be something otherthan self in order to win, in
order to live, in order tosurvive, in order to be right.
You create this other valence.
How many times have you feltlike this is not me, like this
is not the life I really wantfor myself, this is not who I
(09:34):
choose to be, this is not what Ireally want to do with my life,
this is not what I want in mylife?
And yet you keep waking upevery day when the alarm goes
off, right?
You keep waking up every daydeciding.
You decide for yourself that Igot to go to work, I got to do
this, I got to do that.
I had a client of mine who was avery notable client and had to
(09:57):
like and literally would saythis I have to go on stage, I
have to do this, I have to dothis, I have to go on stage, I
have to do this, I have to dothis.
And I would say why do you keepsaying that?
Because how else am I going tosurvive?
I got, I got miles to feed, Igot miles to feed, right, and
you can, and you could feel themass.
You could feel it just intalking to my client.
(10:18):
You could feel the mass thatwas there, but there was nothing
at that at that time, nothingthat could be done to break out
of that, because I have tosurvive, you see.
And so when we talk about, whenwe talk about implants, we're
literally talking about thisthing, where it is so
significant to you that I haveto, I have to keep focusing my
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power, my, my force, my jet ofwater, my magic from my wand,
whatever it is.
I have to keep forcing it outor else I'll, you know, succumb.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right, and that is an assumed goal.
It's an assumed goal.
It doesn't mean that it is thecorrect goal or the thing, but
this is.
We're going to get back toimplants here in just a second.
But it's important to note thatthe way a GPM works is who or
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what would oppose whatever it isthat you're being, and this
comes down to the law of if youcan't beat them, join them.
So if you had who or what wouldoppose a lion, tamer, who would
be the opposing terminal?
A lion?
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A lion right, that's right.
So this goes back and forth,sort of like shoelaces in a
tennis shoe back and forth upthis scale, or actually down,
where you get further andfurther and further away because
you end up succumbing to thevalence that you originally took
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on to be the solution to theproblem that was implanted.
Now we're going to get into theforms of implantation and
everything here in a minute, butit's safe to say that these
GPMs can be incredibly long,where you started out wanting to
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be your own goal, to be acircus clown, and then who or
what would oppose a circus clown?
And then who or what wouldoppose a circus clown, a circus
manager or a circus owner or theaudience or something like that
.
And it goes back and forthbecause if you can't beat them,
join them.
Now you have another goal andyou keep going further and
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further and further and furtheraway through this labyrinth of
terminals and beingnesses andpurposes and solutions to
problems and everything as yourgoal.
Then you lose your way.
But at the bottom of that, asfar as a GPM is concerned, most
of the time, especially on thewhole track, there was something
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someone put there to lead youoff of the path that you wanted
to take of who you really were,because they needed you out of
the way.
In other words, how do youcontrol someone?
You lie to them and using them.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and and, and, and.
It's so interesting how, whenyou say they need you out of the
way because it says here, uh,it says in the uh tech volume on
, uh, may 8th 1963, thenatureation of the GPM.
He literally says that andwhere is it?
Implants result in all varietyof illness, apathy, degradation,
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neurosis and insanity, and arethe principal cause of these in
man.
And so by putting these thingsthere, these implants, it really
is intended to get you out ofthe way, get you not functional,
get you out of the way, get youjust kind of walking around in
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this zombie-like state, if atall right, in order to get you
out of the way, so that the oneimplanting the implants, the one
putting it in, can move freelyabout.
And you can see this in life.
You can see it in life, you cansee it in relationships, you
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can see it in parents, you cansee it in so many other things,
just to get you out of the way,to shut you up, to sit you down,
so that you won't be in my way.
How many times has that everoccurred to you?
That this is what's happening?
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Now this is.
This is what's going on now,and this is what's been going on
in this universe for squillionsof years that work.
So how this happened is you havethese societies and they came
to realize that back when thephysical universe was much
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younger and was and I'm going touse I use this all the time
with uh, you know our public andeverything.
Have you ever used a chalkboardwhere and I I use this all the
time with uh, you know ourpublic and everything have you
ever used a chalkboard where andI think I mentioned this in the
podcast a year or two ago whereyou have a brand new chalkboard
just came right out of the boxand you take that piece of chalk
and you, you, you hang thechalkboard up on the wall and
you ride on the chalkboard andyou go wow, look, how brilliant
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that chalk is on that chalkboard, because all that's there is
the slate.
There's no residual chalk inthe pores of that slate, so the
slate picks up the chalk as youdrag it down.
Friction leaves the chalk onthe chalkboard.
So what you've got is you'vegot a clean space or a metaphor
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for a physical universe wherethere hasn't been any other
alteration other than thepersistence of the universe
itself.
Okay, that's the chalkboard.
And then you go and you mark upthe chalkboard with the chalk
for the first time.
You're like, wow, this isreally vibrant.
Look how bold that is, itpersists.
And you're like that'sbrilliant.
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And if you've ever used thechalkboard, that's been around
for 20, 30 years, it doesn'thold the chalk very well at all
because it is so used up.
There's no place for the chalkto go into the pores or the
molecules between the slate.
Now imagine that as the physicaluniverse way, way, way back on
the backtrack.
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So you've got a universe wherethere wasn't this create
counter-create, createcounter-create, create
counter-create, createcounter-create going on.
You had a clean chalkboard andthese societies said you know,
hey, this is great, but thething is is you were dealing
with beings who weren't nearlyas aberrated at the time.
So you have a lot of people,beings, thetans, different
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bodies, that type of thing, andthey're going around and they're
counter-postulating thesesocieties, because LRH says the
universe is teeming, litteredwith life and they're opposed.
And this gets back to the GPM.
These beings in this society whoare counter to the societies,
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the governments and things likethat, started counter-creating
against these societies.
So these societies said we'vegot to shut them up, we've got
to get them out of the waybecause they're too powerful,
we've got to do something toprevent them from stopping us in
achieving our goals, goals,problems, mass.
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So the society said, okay, wegot to lie to them somehow,
we've got to control them.
How do we control them?
Wait for it Pain drug, hypnosisor, as we say in Scientology,
pdhing.
So if you use pain drug andhypnosis on a being in order to
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lie to them, to control them, totell them that black is white
and white is black and love ishate and hate is love, it conf
them a little bit and they startto get distracted and have
another goal other thancountering the society within
which they're living in thatthey disagree with.
Sound familiar, maybe toofamiliar, like today.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right, I don't know Today, like any city in the
world.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, this planet, you know know the fourth dynamic
at large.
How do you control?
somebody well you lie to them,then okay.
So how do you get that lie tostick?
Well, you use pain drugs,hypnosis, especially if they
have a body.
You can do it to a thetan aswell by throwing them into a
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body and doing that pain drughypnosis, which is a lot easier
if the body's catatonic and isjust being used as a vessel to
further implant the thetan.
Because it's a lot easierbecause the thetan is connected
to it, at least briefly.
This is going on to this veryday on this planet more on that
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later.
So once you use pain drug orhypnosis on the thetan, now
they're out of the way.
But if you'll recall ourpodcasts and the tech and the
technical volumes and in yourauditing, you know that once an
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overt is committed on the thirdor fourth dynamic by these
societies, they're going to pullin a motivator that causes them
to commit another overt.
So what happens is thesesocieties folded up in on
themselves but yet left all ofthese beings under these lies
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with pain drug and hypnosis andthey themselves destroyed
themselves for the major thirdand fourth dynamic overts.
They committed in planningthese, these engrams, into these
beings, who then carried themforward up to present time and
then were dropped here on thisplanet.
You can believe that.
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If you, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
If you don't believe it, but that's, that's, that's
the the fact of it, really.
So you see that here today aswell We'll get into that here in
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just a second that this is nothome, right?
This is not our home domicile,right?
Even when somebody passes away,we call it a homegoing service.
At least where I'm from we callit.
Oh, you know, we have ahomegoing service for grandmama.
We have a homegoing service,you know.
Or there's this idea that uponleaving this three-dimensional
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reality called life, uponleaving this three-dimensional
reality called life, uponleaving this place, that there
is a place or there's anexperience beyond that one is
returning to on some level.
And so to me it just kind ofmakes sense that if this ain't
home, if I wasn't supposed tooriginally be here, why am I
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here?
And if I'm here for asignificant reason or for some
significance, what got me doingthis?
What's this all about?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
How did I end up here again?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Right.
How in the world I thought Imade a left when I'm supposed to
make a right?
right, I made a wrong turn atwrong turn at albuquerque,
exactly bugs buddies and you endup yeah, and you end up, and
you end up back in this wholeconundrum and trying to figure
things out.
And what I love about umstudying and researching and
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reading and diving into the tech, what I love about auditing and
figuring out things foryourself is what auditing really
is just you kind of taking alook for yourself.
You start to see what you neverthought you might see.
You start to realize or cognizeon things that you never
thought about until you're insession and you're running these
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things the way LRH meant to beran, and you start to see what
you never imagined.
It's such an interestingjourney.
You know what I'm saying.
And so this is when we talkabout implants.
I like how you went into thepain, drug hypnosis, because
when you even look at therearing and raising of children,
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right, when you even look atslavery and the way people would
deal with enslaved people, thepain that was inflicted you know
what I mean the pain that wasinflicted in order to keep them
in line, to keep them, you know,doing what needed to be done
(23:25):
for the powers that be, orwhatever.
The pain was significant.
Well now, because obviously youcan't just go around beating
people with whips.
So now they do it with drugs,right, which is basically like a
chemical whipping.
It's a chemical whipping, right, and now every time that drug
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enters your system, it's a lash.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right.
You know it attenuates yourawareness and drops you into the
blackness of the case, thereactive mind.
Because you're not in presenttime, you're re-stimulating
earlier incidents, thusdisallowing them to be in
present time.
Once you've got them out ofpresent time, now you can
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implant them, because everythingequals everything else.
Yep, a equals A equals A Right.
So in this society, in ourpresent day society and we
didn't talk about this before westarted doing the podcast,
because we always go over thematerial that we're going to
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talk about before we start thepodcast so we got our homework
done, the material that we'regoing to talk about before we
start the podcast.
So we've got our homework doneOne of the things that it isn't
obvious to us, because, aspeople in bodies, you tend to
see in the society.
If you can't see it, it doesn'texist, okay.
But the body operates in anextremely narrow band within the
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electromagnetic spectrum we'vetalked about this many, many,
many times before where there'sthings going on that your body
cannot see, because you can onlysee a very narrow band in the
electromagnetic spectrum with ameat body.
So there's a there.
So there's all this other stuffgoing on that you're not aware
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of, that you can't see Now, youmay be able to perceive it in
other ways other than vision,maybe audio, maybe sensation.
I mean you know there's 54different perceptions, but only
a handful of those really makethe big difference.
And then you have the Thetan'sperceptions as well, and every
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being on this planet has avarying degree of awareness and
perception.
And as one gets, audited right,as as you get auditing, your
perceptics increaseexponentially and you start to
become aware of the fact thatthere's a lot more going on.
And this is a pun, but it isn'tthan meets the eye.
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So you start to perceive things, you start to know things, you
start to get out in front of thephysical universe by seconds,
minutes, hours, days, and youknow that things are going to
happen, and sometimes you knowwhat they are way before it ever
shows up in the physicaluniverse.
So the point that I'm trying tomake is is that there's a lot
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going on in the electromagneticspectrum, in this, the physical
universe, the three-dimensionalrealm as you called it a moment
ago, that we can't see and wearen't able to perceive.
And I'm just going to say it Now.
We've got 5G cell towers, forexample, and in your home they
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can use that 5G wave and plotout where it is you are in your
home what your body position is,as if it was an actual picture.
This is something that is goingon at this very moment, on at
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this very moment that, if youhave the software to interpret
it, you can do with a 5G routeror routers in your home,
especially if you have atriangulation going on.
You have three, we have fivehere at this house, so that's an
example of things you cannotsee that do exist, and software
can interpolate your positionand what you're doing, even what
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you're saying.
Think about that for a moment.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay, without a microphone just using the
positioning and frequency andthe movement.
So all that stuff can be allinterpreted.
That's right.
Yeah, and I think you know.
Back on the point of implants,I think this was really
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interesting is that when youlook at behaviors and Ellery
says here that he says doesrunning an implant change the
PC's pattern of behavior?
He says the only troublesomepatterns of behavior the PC has
reactively are from theseimplants and the resurgence and
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relief is enormous when you runout these implants.
And so when you look at thebehavioral patterns, when you
look at the way people behave,the way people act, right, and
sometimes they'll even say Idon't know what got into me.
Or sometimes they'll even saystuff that you know that just
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wasn't me, or I blacked out, orI just went into this place,
that I don't even know whathappened.
You know that just wasn't me orI blacked out, or I just went
into this place, that I don'teven know what happened.
You know, you can see thesebehavior patterns that show up
and even when I was dealing withthis with another client, even
when they know what they'redoing but they can't stop
themselves, that's right, that'sright.
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They're driven, they know it'sright.
That's right, they're driven,they know it's been drilled into
them, they know what they'redoing is harmful to their
relationship, they know whatthey're doing is harmful to
their body, they know whatthey're doing is harmful and yet
they can't stop themselves.
These are real world thingsthat we're talking about.
We're not talking aboutsomething spooky.
(29:39):
Okay, no-transcript, okay.
(30:11):
And he says does this change thedefinition of clear?
No, it clarifies it.
Clear could mean a Thetancleared of enforced and unwanted
behavior patterns anddiscomforts.
That's what he clarified as aclear in this particular
reference.
And unwanted behavior patternsand discomforts.
That's what he clarified as aclear in this particular
reference.
And so, as you're looking atthis and as you're thinking
about your own life, your ownexperiences, your own, the
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people around you and even someof your own stuff, as you're
thinking about it, when you lookat independent Scientology as a
way of helping yourself rightas a part of your personal
development, what is it that youmight not be aware of that's
sticking you in these behaviorpatterns?
What is it that you might notbe aware of that has enforced
(30:54):
and unwanted behaviors anddiscomforts?
And these are the things thatwe go looking for and dealing
with through independentScientology.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Right Now to get back to how these things occur and
how you implant someone.
The reason why I brought up the5G thing is that we have the
technology on this planet todirect energy in certain
frequencies and in very, very,very specific locations, either
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geographically on the ground orfrom the air.
I mean, they have direct energyweapons that they can use from
satellites.
If they can do that with asatellite, they can do that with
5G or other types of theelectromagnetic spectrum.
So that takes us directly overto pain.
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Now, when we were talking aboutthis prior to the podcast,
quentin was talking about shocktherapy that psychiatrists use.
That is a very, very archaicmeans of causing pain
electronically.
Now, they were doing this backin the 50s, all the way up to
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present.
That's one way, but the otherways could be far more
technological in theirproduction and means to convey
energy in order to get a desiredresult.
If you could direct a beam ofenergy or you could direct a
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wave of energy and propagate itfrom a tower, let's just say to
the masses, from a tower, let'sjust say to the masses, all you
have to do is send that wave outto get a desired result in
people.
They've done experiments onthis and is factual.
This isn't science fiction,okay.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's pain.
Okay, now we'll leave it thatwe won't get into all of the you
know background information onthis.
You know what Google is.
You know what Yahoo is.
You know what DuckDuckGo is.
Look it up Now.
Drugs and hypnosis these are thelower bands on how you can get
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somebody implanted with aparticular concept slash valence
and restimulate an earliervalence.
The valence is already there.
Okay, You've been lots and lotsand lots of people that all
have their varying waves, if youwill, as far as what it takes
to trigger that valence orre-stimulate that valence.
Drugs and hypnosis Look at oursociety how prevalent and it is
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daunting and it takes a hell ofa lot of confront to look at the
fact that.
Forget COVID.
The bigger pandemic is drug useand pharmaceuticals, and when
you take these drugs, whatyou're doing is you're
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attenuating the person, thethetan in charge, vis-a-vis the
body, the brain connected to thethetan.
Okay, you're attenuating theirawareness.
You're lowering their awarenessand I'm gonna I'm just gonna
say this because it's it's thetruth you're lowering their
frequency.
(34:29):
Okay, the tone scale.
Yes, you're lowering them onthe tone scale to the point that
they accept commands with drugs.
This is how governments implantpeople.
This is how you get aManchurian candidate.
Look it up.
It's a 1960s movie with one ofthe most popular crooners of all
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time.
I won't say his name, but lookit up and he's the main
character in this movie calledthe Manchurian candidate.
They made a version of it inthe 1990s with Denzel Washington
.
That was so good, great, greatmovie.
The original is even better.
But this is how you create aManchurian candidate is you
implant them with a goal?
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Okay, now let's, let's just fora moment say this goal would be
to kill a U S president.
That is an implant.
This is how this planet works.
Is is you get somebodyimplanted with a goal.
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Make them the assassin.
They become the patsy.
You get rid of the so-calledassassin, so there's no trail
back to you, and then you'refree and clear.
Now, this is, this is how thisplanet operates.
Okay, in this case, I can'ttell you what Lee Harvey Oswald,
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how they PDH him, but Iguarantee you that they did Okay
, because all beings are arebasically good.
And another good movie to watchis JFK by Oliver Stone.
Watch that movie and it's along one, but it's it's some of
the some of the best acting, thebest portrayal of that
particular incident with JohnKennedy I've ever seen.
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Now, granted, they took literarylicense with it and everything
like that, but the point beingis, with pain, drug hypnosis,
you can get anybody to doanything you want them to if you
put in enough force.
If you remember, back inDianetics book one, lrh talked a
lot, a lot about what it wasthat you said when a person was
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experiencing in an engram don'ttalk, don't talk, don't talk,
don't talk, don't say anything,because that becomes part of the
engram.
Yes, yes, that is true.
But lrh later iterates.
He says it's not what's said inthe engram, but the force.
The force is what sticks, thethetan.
(37:05):
Here's why and I'm not going togive the name of the reference,
but I'm going to give you someof the information we talked
about this before the podcast.
What you're running into is athetan wants to hold their
ability in space.
That is the definition of OT.
Power is the ability to hold aposition in space.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Position in space that's right.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
This works against the Thetan because when you
start opposing force andsomebody says, johnny, get in
your room, you're groundedwithout dinner.
What happens to Johnny?
He resists.
Okay, now you have an engram.
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That is why engrams persist.
Engrams persist is because youhave this.
Wait for it.
Force, counter force.
It isn't the contents of theengram that is aberrative to the
being, it is the fact that theyare holding that image there to
hold their position in space,plain and simple.
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And they're keeping thatpicture there as a reminder.
They're putting the picture onthe thetanic wall.
Look at this picture.
Look at this picture.
Look at this picture.
Remember what happened.
Remember what happened Danger,danger, danger.
Look at this picture Holding myposition, holding my position.
Okay, that's why engrams stickin the reactive mind is because
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the thetan is the one putting itthere.
Remember what happened there.
Remember what happened.
Remember what happened.
This is what causes ptsd.
Same thing, same thing.
Never forget this, never forgetthis, never forget this.
That's right.
And he also goes on to say thatit isn't the implant that is so
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aberrative to the thetan, it isthe fact of what we just
described.
Hold the position, hold theposition, hold the position,
hold the position, mock it up,mock it up, mock it up.
How about that?
That's how you create.
If you know what you're doing.
How you can create an implant isyou put something there and try
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to push the thetan off of thatposition.
That post, that base, whateverit is.
Wherever they're at as a being,they're going to hold it and
resist.
That is goals, problems, mass,as simply put as we can put it.
All because of pain, drugs,hypnosis, and it takes a body
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for the most part to get thissort of thing to stick.
But you can do it.
Do it to a thetan as well withenergy.
But on this planet, drugs sticka person because what's
happening there?
The thetan wants to be inpresent time.
The drugs say no, no, no, no,we're going to re-stimulate you
and it's going to be through thebody.
And now you feel this euphoria.
You're being pushed off ofwanting to be in present time,
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trying to hold your position,and the drugs are dragging you
back down the track.
That's how drugs do it.
Now let's get into hypnosis.
If you remember Goebbels fromthe Nazis in Germany in World
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War II, what he said is true isif you repeat a lie often enough
, people will believe it.
Now you take that inconjunction with pain and drugs.
Everybody on this planet ischasing the dollar.
Why?
Because it's made that way onpurpose.
You can't.
You can't hold your.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're trying to hold yourposition.
You're being pushed off of it.
I'm running out of money.
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I'm running out of money.
I need more money.
I have to handle this.
This is a present time problem.
It's an ARC break.
You commit over it in order tosurvive.
It's a solution to a problem,and you're doing that because
you're out of valence already.
So you can see the conundrum.
So you're already attenuatedwith the reactive mind, or
you're already attenuated with acomposite case that is driving
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you in a particular directionother than the direction that
you want to go in.
This is what auditing handles.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So this whole idea of wait, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
The hypnosis comes in the form of you know, simply
put you listen to the radiostation.
How many times have you heard asong on the radio?
Over and over and over and overand over and over?
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,repeat.
Learn the lesson, learn thelesson, learn the prediction.
What's the rhythm?
What do the lyrics say?
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The lyrics are restimulative.
The lyrics are put there torestimulate you.
The beat is put there torestimulate you.
Remember, we talked about thisin the last podcast.
120 beats per minute, becausethat is what people can have,
because where they're at, as acase, that's the only thing that
they can set.
That's, that's the onlyacceptable randomity between 40
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and 240 beats per minute.
120 beats is where smack dab atcenter, smack dab in the center
.
So if you speed it, whathappens when you hear a song
that's slower?
Especially if it's in a minorkey, it makes you sad.
If it's in a major key, itmakes you feel happy.
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Okay, because those are varyingdegrees of ARC on the tone
scale.
Okay.
So if you're already attenuatedbecause of everything that's
going on in life, you're tryingto survive and it's so freaking
difficult.
Why is everything so hard?
Because it's created that way.
Because if everything was easyand nobody was wanting for
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everything and everyone had ahome and they had food and they
were able to survive.
Where would things be?
They wouldn't be able tocontrol you, so they have to
create it, so that you'reconstantly chasing after
something.
That isn't what makes you happy.
Money doesn't make you happy.
It may solve a problem.
The only thing that makes youhappy is if you are ethical and
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you are being yourself.
Otherwise, you pose problemsthat then create further
problems as a solution tosurvival because you're being
somebody else, you're out ofvalence and that is because you
are chasing implanted goalsother than those that are yours
when you are yourself.
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Mic drop, pain, drug hypnosis,repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,
repeat and I'm just using thisas an analog for it with music.
Forget about what's on yourphone, what's on social media,
what's on television, what's onYouTube it doesn't matter, I
(44:05):
mean television anymore.
The line isn't even blurred,they're all one in the same.
So hypnosis is the number oftimes that you repeat it, as
long as you're attenuated andyou're not fully in present time
, because you're being bombardedwith all of this restimulation
that restimulates these goals,valences and earlier implants.
(44:27):
This is why it is so importantto get auditing and unravel this
Gordian knot.
It's a famous knot in historythat Alexander the Great solved.
The solution of the story wenthe who could unwind this big
(44:48):
knot of rope would rule theworld.
And Alexander walked up to itand slashed it in half with his
sword and became ruler of theknown world.
This is what auditing does fora budget.
That's brilliant.
So here we are.
This is how this whole thingworks, and we didn't mention a
(45:12):
whole lot about overrides andwithholds and everything like
that, but that's a big part ofit.
But the thing is, is goalsproblems mass come about through
implantation of false goals.
Otherwise there's no problemthere.
It's the thetan that is tryingto hold their position in space
(45:32):
and being pushed off of it by afalse goal, being lied to in
order to be controlled andagreeing with that lie that
causes them to go into thatlabyrinth from which they may
never return on the whole trackunless they get audited.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, that's right.
And you know, I think it'sinteresting because when, when
we look at our own lives and welook at the things that we are
pursuing, the things that we goafter with such fervor, and one
might say, well, that's just me,right, that's just me.
(46:08):
I mean, I'm going to chase mybag, I'm going to chase that
money, you know, I'm going toget my paper, you know, that's
just me, that's just the kind ofperson I am, and you ask
yourself, or one might say tothemselves, why is that just you
Like, why is that just you?
You know, even when it comes torelationship, right, that there
is this whole idea that existssomewhere, somehow, that, like
(46:31):
that, I want to, I have to be inthis, I have to do this or I
have to do that, right?
These are things that you wantto take a look at at, or that
you might come to discover foryourself where they really come
from, where they could come from.
Lrh has here in the same,reference about heartbreak.
(46:52):
It's interesting.
He says one's first reaction tothis news may be one of
heartbreak, feeling betrayed,etc.
I felt the same way when Ifound it out.
Then I realized the emotioncame out of the implants
themselves.
One is supposed to feel he hasit.
(47:14):
In italics, one is supposed tofeel disheartened and betrayed
when he or she realizes it.
That keeps it from being undone.
It leaves the being trapped.
We just said this.
Right, it leaves the beingtrapped.
The reaction is just part ofthe trap.
Before I realized this, I onlywaited a day or two to be sure.
(47:38):
I have always persevered in myhonesty with you and have given
you a vital research datum asfast as I knew it, regardless of
its palpability.
This is one of those times andI'm telling you guys this that
if you're hearing thisconversation and we're talking
(47:58):
about implants and we're talkingabout these things, that might
not really be you.
And you're hearing thisconversation and we're talking
about implants and we're talkingabout these things, that might
not really be you, and you'regoing after them and you're
chasing after them and doing allthis other stuff or whatever,
and if you feel disheartened, ifyou feel betrayed, if you feel
the feeling of that and whatthat could represent, it says
(48:19):
here, one is supposed to feelthat way because that is what
keeps.
It.
Says here, when it's supposedto feel that way because that is
what keeps it from being undone.
That's what keeps you fromwanting to go up the bridge,
that's what keeps you fromwanting to get in session and
deal with these things, because,oh gosh, it's so tragic, it's
so disheartening, it's so heavy,it's so much that anxiety, that
(48:40):
PTSD, those feelings to try tokeep it in there right.
And so even LRH felt that way,and yet he had to persevere in
his honesty and giving this tous, this datum, this research
datum dealing with and we knowhow to deal with them.
(49:05):
It takes a high, high level ofconfront to be able to sit in
the chair, get on the cans andget in session.
And the beautiful thing abouthere at ALGP is that we do it
remotely, so you can hold yourposition in space as a Thayden,
right in your own home, and youcan sit down and begin a session
.
And we get in and we startgoing after the things that need
(49:27):
to come up and need to get outof there.
So I think this is a really,really good conversation.
I hope you understand afterthis conversation why we, as
independent Scientologists,believe and I'm putting that in
quotations now why we believe inimplants and what this whole
thing could represent.
And so I say take a look foryourself.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, and it's important to note and say and I
probably should have put this atthe beginning of the podcast,
because some of this stuff isn'treal to a lot of our listeners
is, if it's true for you, it'strue for you, okay, and what
your reality is now is what yourreality is.
But I guarantee you that ifyou're honest with yourself and
(50:10):
you get in the chair and you getsome auditing, you get some
training, you'll start to seethat there are truths there that
were heretofore uninspected andyour awareness starts to come
up and your truth starts tochange.
And truth is only as palpableas you are aware of it, which
LRH mentioned in the quote thatQuentin just spoke about.
(50:31):
So you don't know what youdon't know, and the definition
of the word Scientology isknowing how to know.
So, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
And I think that it's important to note that this is
not us telling you what youshould believe right or how you
should govern yourselfaccordingly, but what it is
saying is is that if you take alook for yourself and see if
there is something to this, ifthere is something there, if
there is something that youmight need to handle in session,
(51:11):
this is where it could be done.
Who is expertly trained andcares enough I think that's
important to say too Somebodywho is trained enough and cares
enough to do this with you.
He he says in another reference, at 27 May 19,.
(51:33):
He said lucky is the PC whoseauditor has understood this
bulletin, and lucky is theauditor.
May his own case run well.
And so lucky is the PC who hasan auditor who understands this
stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Okay, yeah, that's what it all comes down to, and
you won't know if you don't try.
Things don't change unless youchange them, and this is how we
change them is with thisinformation and the application
of this information, standardly,correctly, appropriately in
(52:10):
time, on a gradient.
And that's how auditing worksis little steps at a time, a
little bit bigger steps at atime, and your awareness comes
up, your confront comes up andyou're like damn, I feel great.
And then, all of a sudden, yourreality, your truths, change,
(52:30):
because you see things from adifferent perspective than you
did before, and at some pointyou will be in.
Well, it's it's a misnomer tosay that you will be in your own
valence.
You are just you.
A valence is something otherthan who you are, and that's
what implantation has done toevery single being in this
(52:51):
sector of the galaxy, at aminimum per LRH, and I agree
with that statement and I standbehind it.
So does Quentin.
So avail yourself of thistechnology.
Contact us 816-355-4606 in theUnited States.
So yeah, and we have otherpackages that we're going to be
(53:16):
releasing this month.
The 50% off bridge packagespecial ended yesterday.
The 50% off Bridge PackageSpecial ended yesterday, but
contact us for details on whatwe're going to be doing for the
month of July 2025.
So, for Quentin and myself, Ithink this has been a very
illuminating explanation of somevery complex concepts and we've
(53:38):
tried to distill it down asbest we could through analogies
to get it across to you guys asour listeners.
And we want you to distill itdown as best we could through
analogies to get it across toyou guys as our listeners, and
we want you to know that weappreciate you for listening and
listening to these podcasts,podcast after podcast, week
after week, month after month,year after year.
We're here for you.
We want to help you, helpyourself, namaste, and we love
(54:04):
you.
Thank you, thank you.
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