August 22, 2025 • 60 mins
What does it mean to exist as infinity? In this profound exploration of Scientology's enigmatic eighth dynamic, we venture beyond conventional spiritual discussions into the realm of infinite awareness and existence.
The eighth dynamic—symbolized by the number 8 which resembles the infinity symbol stood upright—represents the ultimate frontier of spiritual awareness. But can something truly infinite be described in finite terms? As we discover during our conversation, the moment you attempt to observe or define infinity, you've already created separation and therefore failed to fully embody it.
Drawing from personal experiences at advanced levels of spiritual processing, we share insights into states of awareness where the limitations of physical existence—time, space, separation—dissolve completely. One fascinating perspective reveals that at higher levels of spiritual development, one begins to recognize that "we're all in the same room," not losing individuality but transcending physical barriers that normally separate beings.
"To tell anybody what the eighth dynamic is before they can see it is an overt act," L. Ron Hubbard cautioned. Yet discussing the pathway toward this awareness proves invaluable for those seeking to fully experience all eight dynamics. We examine how the Scientology approach differs from traditional religious concepts while still acknowledging parallels with both Eastern and Western spiritual traditions.
Perhaps most transformative is the realization that approaching life from an "infinity viewpoint" fundamentally changes everything. When you recognize yourself as an infinite being temporarily operating in a finite physical universe, priorities shift dramatically. The concerns that dominate physical existence become secondary to expanding spiritual awareness and capability.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right and welcome to another Scientology Outside
of the Church podcast.
This is Friday, august 22nd2025, in the year of our Lord,
and the title of this is goingto be Independent Scientologists
Discuss God, the Eighth Dynamic.
So, this could go anywhere.
(00:26):
Literally, that's actually amulti-layered pun.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
And you'll see why as we get into the topic.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's right.
So the mysterious 8th dynamicis going to be our topic and
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(01:12):
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So we're going to get startedand this is the best way to do
research for podcasts andQuentin pretty much uses it
every podcast and and probablyoff as well as do I in auditing.
So we're going to get going onthis and, uh, so the definition
(01:36):
of the eight dynamic what is theeight dynamic part of the one
through eight dynamics inscientology?
Quentin, do you want tospearhead the definition of the
eight dynamic for it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm not looking at it that specifically right now.
Do you have it pulled up?
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The eighth dynamic is the urge towards existence as
infinity, and this is somethingthat that even I struggled with
when I was young, trying tounderstand it Also identified as
the supreme being.
Key characteristics, the symboland name.
It's called the eighth dynamicbecause the symbol of infinity
(02:19):
stood upright, makes the numeraleight.
Interesting point here that ifyou're new to Scientology and
you see the Scientology, thebook of basics, zero to eight,
it actually means zero toinfinity.
Or if you see some of the moreadvanced books, eight hyphen 80,
that is infinity hyphen,infinity to zero.
(02:40):
And 8,008 is infinity to zero,zero, zero to infinity.
Maybe clear up a couple ofmisunderstood there on what, why
the titles of these books havethis eight in it.
So this can be called infinityor the god dynamic.
The eight dynamic represents theurge towards survival through a
supreme being or more exactly,infinity.
(03:02):
It encompasses the infinitepotential of the creator.
Important distinctionsnon-intrusion principle.
It's carefully observed.
The science of Scientology doesnot intrude into the dynamic of
the supreme being.
God reveals himself throughspiritual revelation, something
you become aware of, and hisessence cannot be described in
(03:24):
terms of his created objects.
I think that's an importantpoint.
His essence cannot be describedin terms of his created objects
.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So you said in the first part of that is where we
become aware of the God dynamic.
Is that how it was written?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It is the God dynamic .
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, so, going by just that god dynamic, does that
mean we see life as god, asopposed to god being separate to
us, like when you are the goddynamic?
Does that mean you are beinggod?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
When you are the.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
God dynamic, does that mean?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
you are being God.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, that's something you said.
Go ahead Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can't see you guys, oh sorry.
To develop spiritually, theirrecognition and ability to live
through all of their eightdynamics expands right.
And so at any moment, at anytime, we're all experiencing all
(04:37):
of our eight dynamics and itonly cuts out to a degree based
on wherever that person is onthe tone scale, out to a degree
based on wherever that person ison the tone scale, based on
wherever that person is in theirawareness.
Characteristics Like thosethings are going to affect how a
person experiences life throughall their eight dynamics.
(04:58):
It's only until a person, it'sonly when a person fully expands
into the seventh dynamic thatthey realize their own eighth
dynamic right, and what thatmeans for them.
So to, I guess, answer yourquestion, art LRH says it this
way in a lecture called theDynamics.
(05:20):
He says to tell anybody whatthe eighth dynamic is before
they can see it, they can seethe eight dynamic, is an overt
act.
So I wouldn't begin to tell youwhat the eight dynamic is
before you can see it.
Discussing it is so importantto anyone who is at that level
(05:48):
of wanting to experience fullyall eight dynamics for
themselves, and I think that'sthe reason we're having this
conversation right, to open upthat dialogue about you know
what is this?
How do we experience that?
Where do we need to go to getto that awareness?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I think it really depends on what the definition
of God is.
Do you guys have the techdictionary there?
Like, is there a definition forGod in the technical dictionary
?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Because I'm not at my laptop, I mean look, I don't
think there is one for God, butI'm looking real quick.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Because I've just Googled it and the eighth
dynamic.
In Scientology, existence isdivided into eight dynamics or
urges towards survival.
The eighth dynamic is the urgetoward existence as infinity
Right which, if I understand it,it's when you will understand
and experience and know infinity, which is also identified as
(06:46):
the same supreme being or God,so you'll understand your
existence as a God-like being.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, there's no definition for God in the
technical dictionary, theScientology and Dianetics
technical dictionary.
Yeah, so your awareness of theinfinite.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Or infinite awareness .
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, infinity encompasses the infinite
potential of the creator.
Now, from my viewpoint, at theopposite end of the bridge, I
look at it as you know.
Can you, or should you look atit from a viewpoint of the
(07:35):
physical universe or the thetauniverse, the physical universe
being matter, energy, space andtime, because time is not
supposedly infinite.
From our viewpoint, in ourinfancy on this planet, if you
notice, you notice, you noticethe word infancy, infinite, the
(08:01):
key word.
Okay, so infinity means what?
What is what?
What's the definition ofinfinity?
Can one of you guys pull thatup?
All that endlessness?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
yeah let me give you the exact definition.
Hold on second.
So infinity is the state orquality of being infinite, a
number greater than anyassignable quantity or countable
number.
The symbol infinite literallyis that, and it says an infinite
(08:37):
or very great number or amount.
It comes from the wordinfinitus.
Yeah, without number.
Right, closest thing we have Aspace or quantity or period that
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is without limit.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right Now, the only thing we have in the technical
dictionary is underinfinity-valued logic and he
says in Dianetics there's a newway of thinking about things
which underlies a great deal ofits technology.
Instead of two-valued logic orthree-valued logic, we have
infinity-valued logic.
Here's a gradient scale whichpermits no absolute at either
(09:25):
end.
In other words, I gotta get thebook in front of me, get closer
to the mic here.
In other words, there is not anabsolute right and absolute
wrong, just as there is noabsolute stillness and no
absolute motion.
Of course, it is one of thetenets of dianetics that
absolutes are not obtainable,but only approachable.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay, it also says it also says to see logic.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, now again, this is yeah, infinity right here
yeah, infinity, valued logic,because infinity itself is not
defined by LRH in the Dianeticsand Scientology Technical
Dictionary.
So it is.
It seems redundant, butinfinity doesn't have a left or
(10:10):
a right, it doesn't have an endover here or an end over there.
And so when you look atinfinity from a matter energy,
space and time viewpoint in thephysical universe, it isn't.
The physical universe is finite.
You got the edge, the, thephysical universe is, is finite.
You got the edge of the galaxyover here and you got the edge
of the galaxy over there.
You got the edge of theuniverse here.
(10:31):
And they say the the universeis ever expanding.
How they, how they can say thatI do not know.
Uh, it sounds like asupposition more than it does a
fact, because of, well, you knowthat little thing called speed
of light and how long it takesto travel and all that stuff.
So, um, you know and you'redealing with scientists that
(10:51):
that may or may not understandwhat infinite means.
So it's an interesting contrast.
Go ahead.
It's an interesting contrast Goahead.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's an interesting contrast from the first dynamic.
You know the physical body,survival, knowing who you are,
all the way to the other end ofthe spectrum, which is an
infinite being, and like justthat contrast right there, I
think, is really interesting aswell, because?
(11:24):
One, because they're both inthe Mest Universe, because I
think to observe the EighthDynamic and to know that you're
in the Eighth Dynamic, you needto be in the Mest Universe.
But then the awareness of thattakes you beyond the Mest
Universe as well, and so it'slike you're going from the first
dynamic, which is all Mest, allthe way up to something that
takes you beyond missed right,yeah, and, and you know from my
(11:49):
own experience up the bridge and, uh, getting it didn't happen
until late new ot7, um.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And then, after I finished that, I did Excalibur
because I'd ran out of road withLRH's bridge and I became aware
of the we're all in the sameroom thing, which I've mentioned
in a few of the other podcasts.
That you know you can find anyother terminal being just by
(12:23):
looking, but you're not lookingwith your eyes, you're just
perceiving and you're going.
Okay, there is no matter energy, space or time, and for me, the
eighth dynamic that defines theeighth dynamic for me that you
know we're not all one, whichyou see a lot here on planet
(12:45):
earth, unfortunately.
We are not all one, we aredistinct individuals and in in
so doing you start to see thatthere's an infinity there
because there isn't any time,space, distance.
We're all right there.
There isn't this linear thingthat you've got going on.
(13:07):
You know it takes.
It takes three hours to get,get to los angeles from kansas
city type of a thing.
Or it takes 15 hours to getfrom kansas city to atlanta, to
south africa, or los angeles tonew york is five hours or
whatever.
It's just boom, boom, that's,that's how it works and that's.
And you look at that and you go,okay, did anybody create this?
(13:30):
I mean, you know, I've I've hadI've dealt with incidents on uh
, l10, uh, on the l rundowns,where I came up with okay, so I,
I was sent out to go forth,sort of like the silver surfer
from uhactica's type of a thing,at the beginning of the you
(13:50):
know, your silver surfboard,sort of a thing as a Thayton,
and off you go and it came offas like a seed and there's just,
(14:11):
but I, you know, I don't lookat that to just get.
I have to give it some physicaluniverse definition in order to
describe it, because therereally isn't any word for it.
It was a part of a greaterwhole, but that greater whole
was not what's the word I'mlooking for, perfect or anything
(14:37):
like that.
It was just okay, you're goingout from me and I'm taking part
of me and you can have your ownexperiences and do your own
thing and you can create andeverything and let me know how
it goes.
And then one day quote-unquotelong into the future, there was
nobody to report back to.
So, if you wanted to put thatin modern terms, god said go
(15:04):
forth my son and experience mycreation.
And then you wrote an email,dear God, here's what I found
out today.
And God never wrote back and itwas instantaneous that that
communication line wasn't thereanymore.
That was my experience on l11.
(15:24):
Does that mean or excuse me,l10, that does that mean that?
Uh well, quentin, you'd bebetter to to see.
Give me some, some comparablemagnitudes from a biblical
viewpoint, and you as well I'mwaiting, I know I can see you
like are you, are you done withyour flow?
(15:46):
So anyway, what's?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
the other.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
What's the other side of this Is that similar to what
, what, what we see in the muchmore recent texts in the last
couple thousand years, or orwhat, Because I don't.
I don't look at it as this is.
This person that I have to saytakes care of everything and all
that stuff, because I was givenfull, a full uh, a full range
(16:10):
of what I could do and what Icouldn't do.
You can do whatever you want.
Let me know what happens I'llstop there I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I love it are there um, this is a really interesting
subject.
I really, yeah, my mind isthinking so many different
things, hey, and I'm trying tobecause, like you're right, like
, as far as like, if I want totravel to the edge of the galaxy
(16:37):
, all I've got to do is thinkabout it and I'm there.
If I want to think of New York,I just think of it and it
appears I'm there already in mymind.
Now I'm at the point in thisstage of my journey up the
bridge where to me, it's just animage that I created, as
opposed to knowing that I'mthere.
(16:59):
Does that make sense?
Go ahead, does that make sense?
Um, go ahead.
To you, it's just an image,it's an image that you guys
created.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I think it cut out for a second.
So you well, I was just tryingto understand.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What you're saying to you is just the image that you
created rather than knowingyou're actually there yes, so,
and I think I think thedifference between um
postulating being in new york,even though I'm in malaysia at
the moment um, you know, I'mstill stuck with my physical
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body having to be there asopposed to theta being there and
I'm I don't know.
I'm just trying to, I'm justtrying to work out this eighth
dynamic and I'm just thinkingall sorts of different things.
Where is that?
Where is that going?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
what I'll say is this and I love having this
conversation number one, numbertwo, I love having it with both
of you because the simplemagnitude of the conversation
lends from like maybe three ormaybe multiple different number
one lived experiences, as wellas different belief systems or
(18:19):
different ways of coming up, orwhatever case it be.
But I'll say this I did notunderstand the Bible fully, or
God, as it were, until I startedstudying Scientology, and it
was in studying Scientology andcomparing because LRH talks
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about knowledge being comparable, knowledge of comparable
magnitude, and looking at thelogics and looking at the axioms
, understanding how these thingscorrelate and how they compare
and how they intersect with oneanother.
And also the cues, by the way.
The cues, something reallyreally good that you can study,
(19:08):
really really good that you canstudy.
But when I started studyingScientology and comparing it to
what I knew and understood ofother faith practices and I
studied many it made so muchsense to me.
So now, when I understand theeighth dynamic, or God, or
infinite, supreme being, orinfinity, scripture says
something like this Scripturesays God is both alpha and omega
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, beginning and end, first andlast right, and God is the
author and the finisher.
Right, the author and thefinisher of our faith.
And so when I hear that now,obviously it's going to be
worded, through whatever contextor whatever tradition or story
whatever, that it live andsurvive through, in and as,
(19:53):
through in and as the dynamics.
Right, so I'm living throughthe first dynamic, in or as the
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first dynamic.
I'm living through my seconddynamic as my second.
I'm surviving through thesethings.
That's a part of my survivalexperience, through these things
.
That's a part of my survivalexperience.
And then to read about the logicright, and he says two-value
logic would be.
Aristotle came up, formulatedtwo-value logic, which is right
or wrong.
That's two-value logic.
Three-value logic would beright, wrong, or maybe Some
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things are ambiguous or somethings are just neutral, right,
wrong, or maybe, well,infinity-valued logic is a
spectrum that moves frominfinite wrongness to infinite
rightness.
There's no end, there's nobeginning, there's no end.
And so when, when one can startto think from an infinity
valued logic, when one can startto live from an infinity valued
logic infinite rightness,infinite wrongness when one can
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start to move through their lifeand understand, you're
surviving through, in and asyour eight dynamics.
Who are you?
Let's go back to the earlierpodcast.
Who are you?
Why is it so important that youcome up with your own personal
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policies?
God, I mean you.
Why is it so important that youmove through this thing and,
starting with self, startingwith first dynamic, expand,
expand, expand, expand, expand,expand all the way out to the
A's, till you start tounderstand what it is, that you
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get to explore this stuff in thecomfort of your own home,
sitting down with somebody whowants you to see.
And look.
He said look, don't listen.
Now a lot of churches and a lotof religions tell you to listen
(22:18):
.
You sit down and listen to thepastor, listen to what we preach
to you, listen to.
Lra says look, don't listen.
Listen to the pastor, listen towhat we're preaching to you,
listen to the, you know.
Or he says look, don't listen.
Right, right, yeah.
And so then, helping you, take alook and looking as far as an
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infinity value, logic, as farback, right, keep on looking and
you start to see some thingsand you start to be aware of
some things and your awarenesscharacteristics go up and up and
up and up and up, up the bridge.
Life starts to take on a wholedifferent color, right, life
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starts to take on a wholedifferent meaning now, you're
not this um little creaturetrying to make your way to new
york, right?
You're a co-creator,co-creating this whole thing,
co-creat.
You're a co-creator,co-creating this whole thing,
co-creating New York,co-creating Malaysia,
co-creating South Africa,co-creating the world,
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co-creating the universe.
And so you said somethingearlier, jonathan, when you
mentioned about.
You know, we're not all one,right, we're not all one Right.
I think I saw something here.
You said that we're not all one.
What I'll say to that is isthat we're not all one, but in
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infinity it's infinite diversityin infinite combinations, or
the writings of Surak Infinitediversity in infinite
combinations.
And so you get infinitediversity and infinite
combinations.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And so you get this infinite diversity.
Go ahead.
No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Finish your flow, sure, you get this infinite
diversity and infinitecombinations, and therefore
you're able to get all logic,all knowledge, all experience,
all creation, all life.
Infinite diversity and infinitecombinations.
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That, to me, is the eightdynamic.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm not telling you what it is.
I'm just telling you myviewpoint.
Right, right, don't gocommitting an overthink.
Quinn, thank you you are, youare absolved and let's define
that, you know, okay.
So here's, here's a bean, alittle bit of a bean burner to
use.
Uh, what was her name in in, uh, the matrix that neo goes to
(24:54):
see trinity the oracle.
Yeah, trinity was his quoteunquote.
Yeah, trinity was sort of hisgirlfriend and the Oracle was
the one that he went to see withthe kid that could bend the
spoon and all that.
This is a little bit of a beanburger here, the Oracle.
So and this is based off of whatI've found in auditing above.
(25:15):
Ot7, is new OT7, lr7 is new ot7, lrh is new ot7 is that a
thetan is capable of creatingtheta.
Right, and when a thetan iscapable of creating theta, a
thetan can do the same thingthat I was just describing.
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From whence my viewpoint of theinfinite and a creator and all
of that stuff is.
You're spun off, sort of, andagain, this is just my
experience, my viewpoint, andwhat's true for you is true for
you, and I'm just like Quentinsaid, this is just my viewpoint.
I was spun off from somewhereelse to go forth and explore and
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report back and experienceanything, do anything and let me
know what happens.
You can do the same thing.
You can do the same thingcertain degree as you increase
your attention units.
It could be said that you know,in the beginning you only have
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100 attention units.
We talked about that a lot andHallerace talks about that in
Dianetics and Modern Science ofMental Health, science of
Survival and all that stuff.
But see, that's not infinite.
You only have 100 attentionunits.
That's finite.
That's the opposite of infinite.
Yeah, once you get on, the otlevels and you start acquiring
(26:44):
more of your innate abilities,your awareness, your ability to
create.
You're going to be able to dothe same thing where you can
spin off and and I almost wantto use a modern term an agent,
if you will.
They talk about AI agents,where it's a little portion of
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the AI that you say work on mynew logos for me for the next 24
hours and give me the best onethat you think I'll like, type
of a thing, sort of like that,and you can create another Thet.
Okay, that's again.
This is my viewpoint but seethis is, this is the viewpoint
for me of the eighth dynamic isI'm, I'm gonna be, I might be
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blasphemous, but we're all godsand we can send this stuff,
stuff out there, and that, inthat you're doing the same thing
and have have the abilityreturned to you, that you can
sit there and you can say, okay,go forth and create and, uh, do
anything you want and let meknow what happens.
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You can do that and you're not,not even you're not losing your.
You're not losing any attentionunits.
You're actually gainingattention units by so expanding.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, all right, you want to say something, and even
yeah, because even biblically,when god created man, he created
man in his image and hislikeness.
Um, and it's funny because,like in the Bible, it says God
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created man in his image, and sothat's saying we're literally
created as God is.
If you want to be literal aboutit, you know, if we were
created in the image of God,then that means we're the same
as God, then that means we'rethe same as God.
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And it's funny because thewords are so black and white and
I can't understand how peoplecan mess it up.
You know what I mean.
How do you mess that up?
It's so direct and then,interestingly, as well as the
story goes, in the creationstory, adam and Eve kind of go
backwards, right, they, theysort of fall into the flesh.
(29:02):
So they've, they've started atthe eighth dynamic and then gone
back to the first dynamic,whereas we're starting from the
first dynamic, building our wayup to the eighth dynamic.
And they were already there.
They already were, were theeighth dynamic in their purest
form.
But then, through their sin andthrough temptation and those
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kinds of things, then theybecame flesh, they fell into the
messed universe, whereas we'reborn outside of the messed
universe, into the messeduniverse, trying to work our way
back up to the godlike dynamicso we can have Eden once again.
Eden once again, so to speak,where we are infinite with our
surrounds, where we are infinitewith this earth and the
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universe.
And I'm kind of thinking aswell, perhaps, natives that
haven't been brought up in theway that we have they're
probably closer to the eighthdynamic I'll just kind of think
of, like the aboriginalaustralian, like they were so in
tune with the animals, with thenature, with the stars, with
spirits, like just theirphilosophies are so in tune that
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I don't think we can comprehendit being brought up in
buildings, being brought up inthe way we are, um, in these,
these societies, all these lawsand rules and fines and taxes
and all this kind of stuff, Ithink, really prevents us from
having the ability to perceivewhat it could be like being a
(30:31):
god when yeah yeah
Speaker 3 (30:37):
you know.
I think it's interestingbecause Jonathan started off by
also talking about how we existas a thetan can create theta,
qualitative, Like when you'reable to understand who you are
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and you're able to send forthyour disciples.
I'm going somewhere here.
Okay, when you're able to sendforth that which represents you
or re-presents you, re-presentsyou R-E hyphen that what ends up
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happening is.
What ends up happening is isthat you then become omnipresent
.
You become omnipresent, youbecome omniscient, right,
All-knowing, you becomeomnipotent, all-powerful.
Power is just the ability toget results.
Stop being all spooky.
(31:52):
Right, Power is just theability to get results.
Whatever the result is thecreation of an effect.
Right, Axiom 10.
And so, to become all powerful,you use your disciples, you use
your, which you send out.
Now catch this.
All of this is metaphorical,allegorical, but when you
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understand the generation, thedegeneration and the
regeneration of consciousness,when you understand the
awareness characteristics thatyou, where is it on the
awareness characteristics,Jonathan?
Source.
Source is, yeah, source isaround OT3.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
OT3?
.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, ot3, you actually get to source, right
Source, and you got to get thereto get there you.
This is why going up the bridgemade so much sense, because
(33:00):
it's literally regeneratingconsciousness, rehabilitating
your innate abilities,recapturing your own awareness
characteristics so that you canbe up at source and above Hello.
And so this thing that when wetalk about the eight dynamic,
when we talk about God and, asindependent Scientologists, when
(33:22):
we're talking about this, weain't talking about you know, I
don't want to get're we're we'retalking about understanding the
fullness of who you are.
You are so much like that thatI can't see where you in and
that begins.
There's no, there's no endingto you, there's no beginning to
(34:07):
you.
You are infinite, you are theta,you are spirit, you are gods,
and when you understand this andit's written all throughout
scripture too, by the way.
So you got any questions, putit in the comments below, I'll
tell you how it worked but yeare gods and indeed children of
(34:30):
the most high.
Psalms 82, verse 6, isn't itwritten that ye are guys?
Luke, chapter 17, it's allthroughout scripture go ahead
and it's interesting becauselike to have that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's not from a perspective, it's all
perspectives, which makes itperspective less so you can't
observe, you can't observe godor infinity from anyone?
Yeah, that's right.
You can't observe from anyangle other than recognizing
that infinity is infinity.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know right right, and that's that's, that's pan
determinism, but the thing iswhere people get caught up on
this and this again, this is myviewpoint.
Yes, estimation where they getcaught up on this is they're.
They're looking at it from theviewpoint of a body.
You're walking around in thismeat puppet with 52 perceptions.
(35:21):
It's just basically a bigsensor array in the physical
universe and you're like, well,if I can't see it, it didn't
happen.
If I can't know it, it isn'tknowable.
But you're doing that from theviewpoint of a body because most
I mean I'm not even gonna saymost of the time anybody that I
approach and say, okay, recall apleasure moment.
(35:44):
You're the best pleasure momentyou've got, and we've talked
about this in other podcasts andI get them to look at if
they're and to go back to theother podcast who are you?
Who are you really Okay, ifthey're really being themselves
as a Th thetan, and you get themto look at this, this picture
on there that they've saved as abeing in their analytical mind,
(36:04):
of a pleasure moment.
They see their body from theoutside, externally, and they go
oh my god, I've never thoughtabout that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And I said, nobody experiences something
pleasurable.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That's right, that's right because it's not a it's,
it's, it's not part of thereactive mind, it's because they
are being themselves.
And you're sitting there and Idon't go this far in it, but in
this podcast I can You're being,you are yourself.
Yourself is not that body?
(36:33):
And at that point you are nowrealizing you are wait for it
infinite, because yourperspective and your viewpoint
is that you're looking at amovie on a playing field known
(36:53):
as the messed universe, and youcan look around and you can see
in 300, and and I it's evenunfair to say this, because
we're dealing in physicaluniverse concepts, and that's
the hardest thing about this toget across is you're looking as
a, as a thing.
You don't have a perspectivefrom, uh, let's say, this angle
(37:13):
to that angle.
You can only see what your eyescan see.
You can see everything aroundyou and you're like, wait a
minute, it's almost like beingin a video game, where you see
everything at the same time.
Okay, video games aremanufactured in such a way that
you're looking at it from aperspective of having a body,
but you can look around.
If you could look around allthe way, you're just like I'm on
(37:36):
the holodeodeck, for lack of abetter term, and it's all there,
and so you are aware of self.
That is the infinite.
You are the infinite.
It is not this body that canonly perceive these things, and
when you start to get that, yougo oh, okay, so if, if, if, uh,
(37:56):
something caused that body tostop working, I'm still around.
Well, that's because you'reinfinite.
So the 8th dynamic is you.
You're not going anywhere.
You can't kill a Phaeton.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It's interesting.
It's interesting becausethere's no words you can
actually use to describe it atall, because in order for you to
observe it, then you haven'treached it.
Recognizing that you haveobserved it, you failed at being
it.
Um, using the word itselfdoesn't actually describe it.
Um, there's like it's, it'ssuch a it's hard to comprehend
(38:37):
with our brains.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah with.
Well, your brain isn't going todo it, and even just me saying
that is an incorrect statement,Right exactly Because you're
trying to describe something inthe terms of a limited plane of
the physical universe.
The physical universe is not.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And it's impossible.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
A limited viewpoint.
It's impossible.
Yeah, it's impossible.
So it's, it's a conceptualunderstanding that, uh, and to
even say, just like what yousaid, almost uh, I, I live
forever because you're lookingat it from the viewpoint of
english terms, of what I is, andall of that, it is just right,
(39:17):
I am all right, I'm going to endthis podcast, because infinity
is wordless, nameless,speechless, littlest, imageless,
uh, knowingness,perspectiveness, any.
The entire dictionary in alllanguages cannot describe what
we're trying to describe right,right it and, and that and Right
(39:40):
and that is an infinite conceptbecause it leaves everything
open.
That is the art dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah.
But the interesting thing, isthere is a path to it which
makes it really interesting.
Yes, there is a process toachieve it and reach it Right,
which I find really interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah.
Rene Descartes, famousphilosopher, said I think,
therefore, I am, and the wordand Jonathan kind of touched on
this in his viewpoint along the7th dynamic and OT7, I think you
(40:24):
said that the word exist toexist comes from the Latin word
stister, which is an infinitive.
I cause, I place myself isreally what it means I stand or
(40:46):
I place myself.
This is what it means.
So from the Latin word, whichmeans I place myself, and X,
which is out, of, that's youcoming into existence, are you
being in existence?
You're existing, right, with nobeginning, no end.
You existing, and when youexist, you place yourself, per
(41:12):
the latin derivation of the word.
I'm just just looking at theword I place myself and I stand.
X means out of, and so, out ofinfinity, out of infinity, a
dynamic, I place myself.
First, dynamic right exist,existo, exist here, I, out of
(41:34):
infinity, I place myself.
Boom, boom, drop, mic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right.
So at that point you get this.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You have to displace yourself to go back to infinity.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Well, and that's the point.
At the time that you make thatstatement, you are saying made a
contract with myself and boom,I've agreed to become aberrated
because now I exist.
Right, Does that make?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
sense.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, I had to place myself here in order to be here
and dang.
Why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, right and oh, look at those arrows coming
towards me all of a sudden, youknow, or whatever, because you
don't have to do that if youdon't want to.
Because when you look at theand I'm sorry, I'm just going to
say it again, and I know we sayit in podcast after podcast
after podcast if you know,you're already going to know
(42:44):
which is infinity itself.
You're already going to knowand you're going to say okay,
thayton has to agree to becomeaberrated in order to exist,
because you already are.
But you're saying I exist, okay, I'm in a playing field, I'm in
the video game, and what arethe rules of this video game?
(43:05):
And then, oh, there's this, thesolidity.
And oh, wait, because thereisn't.
There isn't at all, it's justthe fact that you've convinced
yourself that there is, andthat's's the thing.
That's how we're all in thesame room is when you're not
doing that and you step outsidethe body and go I'm a thetan, I
(43:27):
can perceive anything I want to.
And then you come back and themeter says read through the body
.
Oh, there's that person.
Hey, I haven't seen you in along time, but you're not seeing
a picture of them.
You're not seeing their face,you just know that they are.
You're getting in communicationwith another being that's on
the other side of the universein some cases because there is
(43:52):
no other side of the universe.
You have to step out of that uhholodeck, if you, of the
physical universe, and when youbecome aware of this, everything
and everyone is there.
There's no time, space, speed,distance, none of that stuff.
And that includes knowing Right.
(44:12):
And you have to dumb yourselfdown to exist and to say, okay,
now I'm back into the video gameand this is that.
But see, the whole point ofthis podcast, the eighth dynamic
is you need look no further forthe eighth dynamic in infinity
than I am, I am myself and I cando the same thing and create
(44:37):
other little of myself and I cansay go forth and experience in
the theta universe, and if theydecide to exist, that's up to
them or they can do somethingelse, and so that sort of
describes infinity.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
It's very hard to describe in words.
Infinity, it's very hard todescribe in words.
I remember when I was young Ihad I created this friend.
His name was billy and Icreated this friend named billy
and I really, really loved billyand me and billy had a really,
really good time together.
And when I got a certain age Ican't remember what age it was
(45:15):
now, but when I got a certainage, billy and this is the way
I'm going to say it, because Ididn't understand what it meant
at the time, but this is what Iwould say Billy killed himself.
Okay, and my friend, my littlefriend, billy, that I created,
killed himself and he ceased toexist.
(45:38):
I still remember Billy to thisday.
I can describe him, I can talkabout him, I can have full
stories about Billy.
Billy was Billy, okay, andBilly decided to cease to exist,
okay, and I remember creatingBilly.
And so what you just described,jonathan, when they decide to
(46:01):
go on existing and do what theywant to do or not, or whatever,
it makes total sense to me.
Yes, Right.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So, and that comes down to why the seventh dynamic
is the seventh dynamic becausethe seventh dynamic comes before
the eighth dynamic.
The seventh dynamic encompassesthe entire entire spiritual
universe, all forms of spiritualexistence and awareness,
whether they have specificidentity or not.
Billy or not billy, it's therealm of theta spirits and
(46:32):
spiritual concepts that existbeyond the physical universe.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
So one bleeds into the other and again it words
fail so would it be safe to saythat the seventh dynamic is
being able to observe thepotential for infinity by seeing
the other side, and then theeighth dynamic is actually being
(46:58):
it, so going from perspectiveto what you're actually
perceiving, and becoming theperception itself?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
yeah right, yeah, and and you also have to look at
viewpoints, recognition andexperience, right, viewpoints of
dimension.
When you say something likethat, because to have a
viewpoint, you're already,you're already and I hate to use
the word fail, but you're all,you've already dumbed it down
(47:28):
because a viewpoint requireswhat?
Dimension?
Dimension, yeah.
How do you have, how do youhave a viewpoint without having
dimension, dimension, voice.
But if you just know, nowyou're talking about infinity,
because there's no dimension is,you know it's, it's no
(47:48):
dimension is required.
You need not apply fordimension because you already
know.
Forget that.
I don't need dimension, it justis.
It just is yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, and you know it's interesting because, like
even looking at like the otherthings that stem from
Scientology during the period,you know the remote viewing
programs, the psychic work, allthat kind of stuff coming out of
Scientology as well.
You know the CIA's relationship, all those kindsology as well.
You know the cia's relationship, um, all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Um, you know stargate , like all all that stuff that
stemmed from this tech, which isreally interesting as well yeah
, yeah, I was just talking toone of my pre-OTs yesterday who
(48:41):
is in touch with the remoteviewing community.
Quote unquote, and inexplicablyso, nobody in the remote
viewing quote unquoteexteriorization.
And when I say exteriorizationfrom the body and being able to
and again words fail going intothe future, on the track, the
(49:05):
timeline in the physicaluniverse, which requires a
viewpoint of dimension, I mightadd, they're all coming up with
similar, similar outcomeswithout having to talk to each
other.
They're not looking foranything, they're just viewing
into the future of the timetrack, the agreed upon physical
universe, that these certainthings are going to occur.
(49:27):
And then they're coming backand saying I got this and I got
this and I got this and I gotthis, and they're all similar
outcomes in the physicaluniverse.
But they're, they're, they'retaking a viewpoint of dimension
but at the same time, they'regoing into something that not is
, that is something that mightbe, because they're perceiving
(49:49):
it from their own viewpoint,their own viewpoint of dimension
that they're, they're puttingout there and perceiving because
they're getting viewpoints ofdimension back from beings in
present time and what's beingput out there instead of there
just being one answer.
And it's not that I look atthat community or anything.
(50:11):
This is just something that wastold to me and I thought isn't
that interesting that there arethese different outcomes and
everything from these viewpointsgoing out looking at it.
But they're exteriorizing to golook at it.
So there's an agreed upon levelor middle ground on the whole
thing.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Go ahead, guys which, which is reality?
Right, reality is an agreedupon, agreed upon viewpoints,
viewpoints that are agreed uponas dimension points, and
therefore we get reality.
I think that when we look atlife from the eighth dynamic to
(50:58):
make sure I got it, say it right.
But when we look at life fromthe eighth dynamic viewpoint,
what ends up happening is lifebecomes, in my opinion, less
complex.
Right, life can come from theperspective of infinity, right.
(51:21):
And then when you see life fromthe perspective of infinity,
and the infinitude of life, theinfinitude of your own existence
, the infinitude of all, that iswhen you see it, I mean down to
the very atom, down to the veryelectron, neutron, proton, down
(51:42):
to the very string theory,whatever you want to call it, if
you want to look at it from aphysics perspective, when you
look at life from an infinityviewpoint, there is no distance,
there is no separation.
If you want to make money, ifyou want to, and that's
something that you enjoy andthat's something that you want
to have and experience, okay,who are you being?
(52:06):
Y'all know where I'm finna gowith this.
Who are you being and what doyou do?
However, you do your do.
However, you do your do andwhat do you do?
However, you do your do.
However, you do your do becauseI do my do.
Ok, what are you, who are youbeing and what do you do so that
(52:27):
you can have what you say youwant creator, so that you can
increase and expand yourawareness characteristics, in
order to be able to do this froman OT perspective, to be at
complete cause over life, matter, energy, space, time and
(52:49):
thought.
Come on, man, what are wetalking about here?
Why is this still aconversation?
Why are you still sitting therewaiting for register?
Call me, go to the feed, go tothe website.
What are we talking about here?
Because there's no other way tolive.
I'm telling you now, when youlook at life from this
(53:12):
perspective, you'll get to aplace where you say there's no
other way to live.
Why would I live any other way?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
than God.
Right, and I wanted to pointout with what I was talking
about as far as with the remoteviewers and everything and this
may or may not be a mind blowerof a statement, but the thing is
is that there were an infinityof outcomes coming from these
people who were remote viewing.
Yes, isn't that interesting.
And then if you say to somebodywho's going up the bridge and
(53:42):
they're like well, what do you,what do you think about all this
, jonathan, quentin and arthurand everything, my answer would
be what do you want to havehappen?
What do you want to have happenin the future on planet Earth?
Yeah, there's an infinity ofoutcomes.
What, what is your Infinity ofoutcomes?
And what is finite that you wantto have happen in this piddly
(54:06):
little restrictive physicaluniverse?
Because, well, in the end,ultimately it doesn't, doesn't
really matter outside of thesurvival of you or the species
or whatever.
You're going to be around, baby, you're going to be around and
that's all there is to it.
So you could do something tohelp it, or you could do
(54:29):
something to hurt it, or youcould do nothing and you could
let other people decide, out ofan infinity of outcomes, what's
going to happen, and you can'tlimit yourself to the physical
universe.
You, you have to be able togrant yourself the beingness of
you are infinity, that's allthere is to it.
(54:52):
And uh, get there andunderstand this concept, because
it's very, very difficult todescribe in words, in film,
anything having to do with thephysical universe.
It's something you have torealize about yourself and that
infinity and God are the samething, and you, my friend, thing
(55:21):
and you, my friend, are a god.
If you so choose to accept that, that uh, opportunity and
regain what it was and is, andresponsibility, and
responsibility right, because ifyou fall, away you fall away
from that.
well, now there's a finite, notan infinite already, not an
infinite, alrighty.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
This is a pretty cool .
Speaker 2 (55:44):
This is actually a really cool topic and all I have
to say is it's wordless.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's knowing, and I think itprobably defines the definition
of Scientology to the coreknowing how to know and there is
a difference between knowingand knowing.
(56:05):
And I think, as a small example, it's like knowing there's beef
stroganoff and then there'sknowing how to make beef
stroganoff with a recipe.
And then there's just knowinghow to make beef stroganoff.
And then there's knowing how tomake make beef stroganoff with
a recipe, and then there's justknowing how to make beef
stroganoff.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Right, right, and, and, and that's.
That's an infinite right there,if, if, if our listeners Right,
so we can't go on infinitelywith this podcast we've, we've
we've, we've described, wedefine it, did we define it?
(56:45):
did we talk about it from ourown viewpoints of dimension?
Inside a box there is aphysical universe and and in a
podcast, and all of this stufffrom the micro to the macro and
beyond the macro, because it'snot macro anymore when it's
infinite, if that makes sense.
Right, that's a pun.
So we hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and you too can be part
(57:09):
of the eight dynamic.
It's just a matter of knowing,and that is an infinite concept
that you will find throughauditing and training and really
wrap your knowingness aroundthis.
I'm not even going to use abody part as a metaphor or
anything like that.
Just learn how to be beyourself and you will realize
(57:29):
what the infinite and what quoteunquote god is.
But when you enter in that Godthing, all of a sudden you think
it's something else and thenit's an image and you've dropped
back down into it.
Don't do that.
Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
My grandma used to say don't be silly.
Yeah, yeah, she used to saydon't be silly.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Don't be silly, to quote matrix.
You know, free your mind.
You know, don't think in termsof a program that you're, you're
, you've agreed to be a part ofstep outside of that program.
So for arthur quentin andmyself have an infinite degree
(58:13):
of possibilities and no namaste,and we love you.
Bye-bye, thank you, thank youThanks for watching.
All right and welcome to another Scientology Outside
of the Church podcast.
This is Friday, august 22nd2025, in the year of our Lord,
and the title of this is goingto be Independent Scientologists
Discuss God, the Eighth Dynamic.
So, this could go anywhere.
(00:26):
Literally, that's actually amulti-layered pun.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
And you'll see why as we get into the topic.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's right.
So the mysterious 8th dynamicis going to be our topic and
it's brought to you by ao-gporgand the college of independent
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(01:12):
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So we're going to get startedand this is the best way to do
research for podcasts andQuentin pretty much uses it
every podcast and and probablyoff as well as do I in auditing.
So we're going to get going onthis and, uh, so the definition
(01:36):
of the eight dynamic what is theeight dynamic part of the one
through eight dynamics inscientology?
Quentin, do you want tospearhead the definition of the
eight dynamic for it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm not looking at it that specifically right now.
Do you have it pulled up?
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The eighth dynamic is the urge towards existence as
infinity, and this is somethingthat that even I struggled with
when I was young, trying tounderstand it Also identified as
the supreme being.
Key characteristics, the symboland name.
It's called the eighth dynamicbecause the symbol of infinity
(02:19):
stood upright, makes the numeraleight.
Interesting point here that ifyou're new to Scientology and
you see the Scientology, thebook of basics, zero to eight,
it actually means zero toinfinity.
Or if you see some of the moreadvanced books, eight hyphen 80,
that is infinity hyphen,infinity to zero.
(02:40):
And 8,008 is infinity to zero,zero, zero to infinity.
Maybe clear up a couple ofmisunderstood there on what, why
the titles of these books havethis eight in it.
So this can be called infinityor the god dynamic.
The eight dynamic represents theurge towards survival through a
supreme being or more exactly,infinity.
(03:02):
It encompasses the infinitepotential of the creator.
Important distinctionsnon-intrusion principle.
It's carefully observed.
The science of Scientology doesnot intrude into the dynamic of
the supreme being.
God reveals himself throughspiritual revelation, something
you become aware of, and hisessence cannot be described in
(03:24):
terms of his created objects.
I think that's an importantpoint.
His essence cannot be describedin terms of his created objects
.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So you said in the first part of that is where we
become aware of the God dynamic.
Is that how it was written?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It is the God dynamic .
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, so, going by just that god dynamic, does that
mean we see life as god, asopposed to god being separate to
us, like when you are the goddynamic?
Does that mean you are beinggod?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
When you are the.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
God dynamic, does that mean?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
you are being God.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, that's something you said.
Go ahead Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can't see you guys, oh sorry.
To develop spiritually, theirrecognition and ability to live
through all of their eightdynamics expands right.
And so at any moment, at anytime, we're all experiencing all
(04:37):
of our eight dynamics and itonly cuts out to a degree based
on wherever that person is onthe tone scale, out to a degree
based on wherever that person ison the tone scale, based on
wherever that person is in theirawareness.
Characteristics Like thosethings are going to affect how a
person experiences life throughall their eight dynamics.
(04:58):
It's only until a person, it'sonly when a person fully expands
into the seventh dynamic thatthey realize their own eighth
dynamic right, and what thatmeans for them.
So to, I guess, answer yourquestion, art LRH says it this
way in a lecture called theDynamics.
(05:20):
He says to tell anybody whatthe eighth dynamic is before
they can see it, they can seethe eight dynamic, is an overt
act.
So I wouldn't begin to tell youwhat the eight dynamic is
before you can see it.
Discussing it is so importantto anyone who is at that level
(05:48):
of wanting to experience fullyall eight dynamics for
themselves, and I think that'sthe reason we're having this
conversation right, to open upthat dialogue about you know
what is this?
How do we experience that?
Where do we need to go to getto that awareness?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I think it really depends on what the definition
of God is.
Do you guys have the techdictionary there?
Like, is there a definition forGod in the technical dictionary
?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Because I'm not at my laptop, I mean look, I don't
think there is one for God, butI'm looking real quick.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Because I've just Googled it and the eighth
dynamic.
In Scientology, existence isdivided into eight dynamics or
urges towards survival.
The eighth dynamic is the urgetoward existence as infinity
Right which, if I understand it,it's when you will understand
and experience and know infinity, which is also identified as
(06:46):
the same supreme being or God,so you'll understand your
existence as a God-like being.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, there's no definition for God in the
technical dictionary, theScientology and Dianetics
technical dictionary.
Yeah, so your awareness of theinfinite.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Or infinite awareness .
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, infinity encompasses the infinite
potential of the creator.
Now, from my viewpoint, at theopposite end of the bridge, I
look at it as you know.
Can you, or should you look atit from a viewpoint of the
(07:35):
physical universe or the thetauniverse, the physical universe
being matter, energy, space andtime, because time is not
supposedly infinite.
From our viewpoint, in ourinfancy on this planet, if you
notice, you notice, you noticethe word infancy, infinite, the
(08:01):
key word.
Okay, so infinity means what?
What is what?
What's the definition ofinfinity?
Can one of you guys pull thatup?
All that endlessness?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
yeah let me give you the exact definition.
Hold on second.
So infinity is the state orquality of being infinite, a
number greater than anyassignable quantity or countable
number.
The symbol infinite literallyis that, and it says an infinite
(08:37):
or very great number or amount.
It comes from the wordinfinitus.
Yeah, without number.
Right, closest thing we have Aspace or quantity or period that
(08:59):
is without limit.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right Now, the only thing we have in the technical
dictionary is underinfinity-valued logic and he
says in Dianetics there's a newway of thinking about things
which underlies a great deal ofits technology.
Instead of two-valued logic orthree-valued logic, we have
infinity-valued logic.
Here's a gradient scale whichpermits no absolute at either
(09:25):
end.
In other words, I gotta get thebook in front of me, get closer
to the mic here.
In other words, there is not anabsolute right and absolute
wrong, just as there is noabsolute stillness and no
absolute motion.
Of course, it is one of thetenets of dianetics that
absolutes are not obtainable,but only approachable.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay, it also says it also says to see logic.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, now again, this is yeah, infinity right here
yeah, infinity, valued logic,because infinity itself is not
defined by LRH in the Dianeticsand Scientology Technical
Dictionary.
So it is.
It seems redundant, butinfinity doesn't have a left or
(10:10):
a right, it doesn't have an endover here or an end over there.
And so when you look atinfinity from a matter energy,
space and time viewpoint in thephysical universe, it isn't.
The physical universe is finite.
You got the edge, the, thephysical universe is, is finite.
You got the edge of the galaxyover here and you got the edge
of the galaxy over there.
You got the edge of theuniverse here.
(10:31):
And they say the the universeis ever expanding.
How they, how they can say thatI do not know.
Uh, it sounds like asupposition more than it does a
fact, because of, well, you knowthat little thing called speed
of light and how long it takesto travel and all that stuff.
So, um, you know and you'redealing with scientists that
(10:51):
that may or may not understandwhat infinite means.
So it's an interesting contrast.
Go ahead.
It's an interesting contrast Goahead.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's an interesting contrast from the first dynamic.
You know the physical body,survival, knowing who you are,
all the way to the other end ofthe spectrum, which is an
infinite being, and like justthat contrast right there, I
think, is really interesting aswell, because?
(11:24):
One, because they're both inthe Mest Universe, because I
think to observe the EighthDynamic and to know that you're
in the Eighth Dynamic, you needto be in the Mest Universe.
But then the awareness of thattakes you beyond the Mest
Universe as well, and so it'slike you're going from the first
dynamic, which is all Mest, allthe way up to something that
takes you beyond missed right,yeah, and, and you know from my
(11:49):
own experience up the bridge and, uh, getting it didn't happen
until late new ot7, um.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And then, after I finished that, I did Excalibur
because I'd ran out of road withLRH's bridge and I became aware
of the we're all in the sameroom thing, which I've mentioned
in a few of the other podcasts.
That you know you can find anyother terminal being just by
(12:23):
looking, but you're not lookingwith your eyes, you're just
perceiving and you're going.
Okay, there is no matter energy, space or time, and for me, the
eighth dynamic that defines theeighth dynamic for me that you
know we're not all one, whichyou see a lot here on planet
(12:45):
earth, unfortunately.
We are not all one, we aredistinct individuals and in in
so doing you start to see thatthere's an infinity there
because there isn't any time,space, distance.
We're all right there.
There isn't this linear thingthat you've got going on.
(13:07):
You know it takes.
It takes three hours to get,get to los angeles from kansas
city type of a thing.
Or it takes 15 hours to getfrom kansas city to atlanta, to
south africa, or los angeles tonew york is five hours or
whatever.
It's just boom, boom, that's,that's how it works and that's.
And you look at that and you go,okay, did anybody create this?
(13:30):
I mean, you know, I've I've hadI've dealt with incidents on uh
, l10, uh, on the l rundowns,where I came up with okay, so I,
I was sent out to go forth,sort of like the silver surfer
from uhactica's type of a thing,at the beginning of the you
(13:50):
know, your silver surfboard,sort of a thing as a Thayton,
and off you go and it came offas like a seed and there's just,
(14:11):
but I, you know, I don't lookat that to just get.
I have to give it some physicaluniverse definition in order to
describe it, because therereally isn't any word for it.
It was a part of a greaterwhole, but that greater whole
was not what's the word I'mlooking for, perfect or anything
(14:37):
like that.
It was just okay, you're goingout from me and I'm taking part
of me and you can have your ownexperiences and do your own
thing and you can create andeverything and let me know how
it goes.
And then one day quote-unquotelong into the future, there was
nobody to report back to.
So, if you wanted to put thatin modern terms, god said go
(15:04):
forth my son and experience mycreation.
And then you wrote an email,dear God, here's what I found
out today.
And God never wrote back and itwas instantaneous that that
communication line wasn't thereanymore.
That was my experience on l11.
(15:24):
Does that mean or excuse me,l10, that does that mean that?
Uh well, quentin, you'd bebetter to to see.
Give me some, some comparablemagnitudes from a biblical
viewpoint, and you as well I'mwaiting, I know I can see you
like are you, are you done withyour flow?
(15:46):
So anyway, what's?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
the other.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
What's the other side of this Is that similar to what
, what, what we see in the muchmore recent texts in the last
couple thousand years, or orwhat, Because I don't.
I don't look at it as this is.
This person that I have to saytakes care of everything and all
that stuff, because I was givenfull, a full uh, a full range
(16:10):
of what I could do and what Icouldn't do.
You can do whatever you want.
Let me know what happens I'llstop there I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I love it are there um, this is a really interesting
subject.
I really, yeah, my mind isthinking so many different
things, hey, and I'm trying tobecause, like you're right, like
, as far as like, if I want totravel to the edge of the galaxy
(16:37):
, all I've got to do is thinkabout it and I'm there.
If I want to think of New York,I just think of it and it
appears I'm there already in mymind.
Now I'm at the point in thisstage of my journey up the
bridge where to me, it's just animage that I created, as
opposed to knowing that I'mthere.
(16:59):
Does that make sense?
Go ahead, does that make sense?
Um, go ahead.
To you, it's just an image,it's an image that you guys
created.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I think it cut out for a second.
So you well, I was just tryingto understand.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What you're saying to you is just the image that you
created rather than knowingyou're actually there yes, so,
and I think I think thedifference between um
postulating being in new york,even though I'm in malaysia at
the moment um, you know, I'mstill stuck with my physical
(17:35):
body having to be there asopposed to theta being there and
I'm I don't know.
I'm just trying to, I'm justtrying to work out this eighth
dynamic and I'm just thinkingall sorts of different things.
Where is that?
Where is that going?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
what I'll say is this and I love having this
conversation number one, numbertwo, I love having it with both
of you because the simplemagnitude of the conversation
lends from like maybe three ormaybe multiple different number
one lived experiences, as wellas different belief systems or
(18:19):
different ways of coming up, orwhatever case it be.
But I'll say this I did notunderstand the Bible fully, or
God, as it were, until I startedstudying Scientology, and it
was in studying Scientology andcomparing because LRH talks
(18:43):
about knowledge being comparable, knowledge of comparable
magnitude, and looking at thelogics and looking at the axioms
, understanding how these thingscorrelate and how they compare
and how they intersect with oneanother.
And also the cues, by the way.
The cues, something reallyreally good that you can study,
(19:08):
really really good that you canstudy.
But when I started studyingScientology and comparing it to
what I knew and understood ofother faith practices and I
studied many it made so muchsense to me.
So now, when I understand theeighth dynamic, or God, or
infinite, supreme being, orinfinity, scripture says
something like this Scripturesays God is both alpha and omega
(19:31):
, beginning and end, first andlast right, and God is the
author and the finisher.
Right, the author and thefinisher of our faith.
And so when I hear that now,obviously it's going to be
worded, through whatever contextor whatever tradition or story
whatever, that it live andsurvive through, in and as,
(19:53):
through in and as the dynamics.
Right, so I'm living throughthe first dynamic, in or as the
(20:16):
first dynamic.
I'm living through my seconddynamic as my second.
I'm surviving through thesethings.
That's a part of my survivalexperience, through these things
.
That's a part of my survivalexperience.
And then to read about the logicright, and he says two-value
logic would be.
Aristotle came up, formulatedtwo-value logic, which is right
or wrong.
That's two-value logic.
Three-value logic would beright, wrong, or maybe Some
(20:53):
things are ambiguous or somethings are just neutral, right,
wrong, or maybe, well,infinity-valued logic is a
spectrum that moves frominfinite wrongness to infinite
rightness.
There's no end, there's nobeginning, there's no end.
And so when, when one can startto think from an infinity
valued logic, when one can startto live from an infinity valued
logic infinite rightness,infinite wrongness when one can
(21:16):
start to move through their lifeand understand, you're
surviving through, in and asyour eight dynamics.
Who are you?
Let's go back to the earlierpodcast.
Who are you?
Why is it so important that youcome up with your own personal
(21:37):
policies?
God, I mean you.
Why is it so important that youmove through this thing and,
starting with self, startingwith first dynamic, expand,
expand, expand, expand, expand,expand all the way out to the
A's, till you start tounderstand what it is, that you
(21:58):
get to explore this stuff in thecomfort of your own home,
sitting down with somebody whowants you to see.
And look.
He said look, don't listen.
Now a lot of churches and a lotof religions tell you to listen
(22:18):
.
You sit down and listen to thepastor, listen to what we preach
to you, listen to.
Lra says look, don't listen.
Listen to the pastor, listen towhat we're preaching to you,
listen to the, you know.
Or he says look, don't listen.
Right, right, yeah.
And so then, helping you, take alook and looking as far as an
(22:43):
infinity value, logic, as farback, right, keep on looking and
you start to see some thingsand you start to be aware of
some things and your awarenesscharacteristics go up and up and
up and up and up, up the bridge.
Life starts to take on a wholedifferent color, right, life
(23:06):
starts to take on a wholedifferent meaning now, you're
not this um little creaturetrying to make your way to new
york, right?
You're a co-creator,co-creating this whole thing,
co-creat.
You're a co-creator,co-creating this whole thing,
co-creating New York,co-creating Malaysia,
co-creating South Africa,co-creating the world,
(23:26):
co-creating the universe.
And so you said somethingearlier, jonathan, when you
mentioned about.
You know, we're not all one,right, we're not all one Right.
I think I saw something here.
You said that we're not all one.
What I'll say to that is isthat we're not all one, but in
(23:48):
infinity it's infinite diversityin infinite combinations, or
the writings of Surak Infinitediversity in infinite
combinations.
And so you get infinitediversity and infinite
combinations.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And so you get this infinite diversity.
Go ahead.
No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Finish your flow, sure, you get this infinite
diversity and infinitecombinations, and therefore
you're able to get all logic,all knowledge, all experience,
all creation, all life.
Infinite diversity and infinitecombinations.
(24:29):
That, to me, is the eightdynamic.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm not telling you what it is.
I'm just telling you myviewpoint.
Right, right, don't gocommitting an overthink.
Quinn, thank you you are, youare absolved and let's define
that, you know, okay.
So here's, here's a bean, alittle bit of a bean burner to
use.
Uh, what was her name in in, uh, the matrix that neo goes to
(24:54):
see trinity the oracle.
Yeah, trinity was his quoteunquote.
Yeah, trinity was sort of hisgirlfriend and the Oracle was
the one that he went to see withthe kid that could bend the
spoon and all that.
This is a little bit of a beanburger here, the Oracle.
So and this is based off of whatI've found in auditing above.
(25:15):
Ot7, is new OT7, lr7 is new ot7, lrh is new ot7 is that a
thetan is capable of creatingtheta.
Right, and when a thetan iscapable of creating theta, a
thetan can do the same thingthat I was just describing.
(25:35):
From whence my viewpoint of theinfinite and a creator and all
of that stuff is.
You're spun off, sort of, andagain, this is just my
experience, my viewpoint, andwhat's true for you is true for
you, and I'm just like Quentinsaid, this is just my viewpoint.
I was spun off from somewhereelse to go forth and explore and
(26:00):
report back and experienceanything, do anything and let me
know what happens.
You can do the same thing.
You can do the same thingcertain degree as you increase
your attention units.
It could be said that you know,in the beginning you only have
(26:22):
100 attention units.
We talked about that a lot andHallerace talks about that in
Dianetics and Modern Science ofMental Health, science of
Survival and all that stuff.
But see, that's not infinite.
You only have 100 attentionunits.
That's finite.
That's the opposite of infinite.
Yeah, once you get on, the otlevels and you start acquiring
(26:44):
more of your innate abilities,your awareness, your ability to
create.
You're going to be able to dothe same thing where you can
spin off and and I almost wantto use a modern term an agent,
if you will.
They talk about AI agents,where it's a little portion of
(27:05):
the AI that you say work on mynew logos for me for the next 24
hours and give me the best onethat you think I'll like, type
of a thing, sort of like that,and you can create another Thet.
Okay, that's again.
This is my viewpoint but seethis is, this is the viewpoint
for me of the eighth dynamic isI'm, I'm gonna be, I might be
(27:27):
blasphemous, but we're all godsand we can send this stuff,
stuff out there, and that, inthat you're doing the same thing
and have have the abilityreturned to you, that you can
sit there and you can say, okay,go forth and create and, uh, do
anything you want and let meknow what happens.
(27:48):
You can do that and you're not,not even you're not losing your.
You're not losing any attentionunits.
You're actually gainingattention units by so expanding.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, all right, you want to say something, and even
yeah, because even biblically,when god created man, he created
man in his image and hislikeness.
Um, and it's funny because,like in the Bible, it says God
(28:19):
created man in his image, and sothat's saying we're literally
created as God is.
If you want to be literal aboutit, you know, if we were
created in the image of God,then that means we're the same
as God, then that means we'rethe same as God.
(28:41):
And it's funny because thewords are so black and white and
I can't understand how peoplecan mess it up.
You know what I mean.
How do you mess that up?
It's so direct and then,interestingly, as well as the
story goes, in the creationstory, adam and Eve kind of go
backwards, right, they, theysort of fall into the flesh.
(29:02):
So they've, they've started atthe eighth dynamic and then gone
back to the first dynamic,whereas we're starting from the
first dynamic, building our wayup to the eighth dynamic.
And they were already there.
They already were, were theeighth dynamic in their purest
form.
But then, through their sin andthrough temptation and those
(29:23):
kinds of things, then theybecame flesh, they fell into the
messed universe, whereas we'reborn outside of the messed
universe, into the messeduniverse, trying to work our way
back up to the godlike dynamicso we can have Eden once again.
Eden once again, so to speak,where we are infinite with our
surrounds, where we are infinitewith this earth and the
(29:46):
universe.
And I'm kind of thinking aswell, perhaps, natives that
haven't been brought up in theway that we have they're
probably closer to the eighthdynamic I'll just kind of think
of, like the aboriginalaustralian, like they were so in
tune with the animals, with thenature, with the stars, with
spirits, like just theirphilosophies are so in tune that
(30:09):
I don't think we can comprehendit being brought up in
buildings, being brought up inthe way we are, um, in these,
these societies, all these lawsand rules and fines and taxes
and all this kind of stuff, Ithink, really prevents us from
having the ability to perceivewhat it could be like being a
(30:31):
god when yeah yeah
Speaker 3 (30:37):
you know.
I think it's interestingbecause Jonathan started off by
also talking about how we existas a thetan can create theta,
qualitative, Like when you'reable to understand who you are
(31:08):
and you're able to send forthyour disciples.
I'm going somewhere here.
Okay, when you're able to sendforth that which represents you
or re-presents you, re-presentsyou R-E hyphen that what ends up
(31:30):
happening is.
What ends up happening is isthat you then become omnipresent
.
You become omnipresent, youbecome omniscient, right,
All-knowing, you becomeomnipotent, all-powerful.
Power is just the ability toget results.
Stop being all spooky.
(31:52):
Right, Power is just theability to get results.
Whatever the result is thecreation of an effect.
Right, Axiom 10.
And so, to become all powerful,you use your disciples, you use
your, which you send out.
Now catch this.
All of this is metaphorical,allegorical, but when you
(32:14):
understand the generation, thedegeneration and the
regeneration of consciousness,when you understand the
awareness characteristics thatyou, where is it on the
awareness characteristics,Jonathan?
Source.
Source is, yeah, source isaround OT3.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
OT3?
.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, ot3, you actually get to source, right
Source, and you got to get thereto get there you.
This is why going up the bridgemade so much sense, because
(33:00):
it's literally regeneratingconsciousness, rehabilitating
your innate abilities,recapturing your own awareness
characteristics so that you canbe up at source and above Hello.
And so this thing that when wetalk about the eight dynamic,
when we talk about God and, asindependent Scientologists, when
(33:22):
we're talking about this, weain't talking about you know, I
don't want to get're we're we'retalking about understanding the
fullness of who you are.
You are so much like that thatI can't see where you in and
that begins.
There's no, there's no endingto you, there's no beginning to
(34:07):
you.
You are infinite, you are theta,you are spirit, you are gods,
and when you understand this andit's written all throughout
scripture too, by the way.
So you got any questions, putit in the comments below, I'll
tell you how it worked but yeare gods and indeed children of
(34:30):
the most high.
Psalms 82, verse 6, isn't itwritten that ye are guys?
Luke, chapter 17, it's allthroughout scripture go ahead
and it's interesting becauselike to have that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's not from a perspective, it's all
perspectives, which makes itperspective less so you can't
observe, you can't observe godor infinity from anyone?
Yeah, that's right.
You can't observe from anyangle other than recognizing
that infinity is infinity.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know right right, and that's that's, that's pan
determinism, but the thing iswhere people get caught up on
this and this again, this is myviewpoint.
Yes, estimation where they getcaught up on this is they're.
They're looking at it from theviewpoint of a body.
You're walking around in thismeat puppet with 52 perceptions.
(35:21):
It's just basically a bigsensor array in the physical
universe and you're like, well,if I can't see it, it didn't
happen.
If I can't know it, it isn'tknowable.
But you're doing that from theviewpoint of a body because most
I mean I'm not even gonna saymost of the time anybody that I
approach and say, okay, recall apleasure moment.
(35:44):
You're the best pleasure momentyou've got, and we've talked
about this in other podcasts andI get them to look at if
they're and to go back to theother podcast who are you?
Who are you really Okay, ifthey're really being themselves
as a Th thetan, and you get themto look at this, this picture
on there that they've saved as abeing in their analytical mind,
(36:04):
of a pleasure moment.
They see their body from theoutside, externally, and they go
oh my god, I've never thoughtabout that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And I said, nobody experiences something
pleasurable.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That's right, that's right because it's not a it's,
it's, it's not part of thereactive mind, it's because they
are being themselves.
And you're sitting there and Idon't go this far in it, but in
this podcast I can You're being,you are yourself.
Yourself is not that body?
(36:33):
And at that point you are nowrealizing you are wait for it
infinite, because yourperspective and your viewpoint
is that you're looking at amovie on a playing field known
(36:53):
as the messed universe, and youcan look around and you can see
in 300, and and I it's evenunfair to say this, because
we're dealing in physicaluniverse concepts, and that's
the hardest thing about this toget across is you're looking as
a, as a thing.
You don't have a perspectivefrom, uh, let's say, this angle
(37:13):
to that angle.
You can only see what your eyescan see.
You can see everything aroundyou and you're like, wait a
minute, it's almost like beingin a video game, where you see
everything at the same time.
Okay, video games aremanufactured in such a way that
you're looking at it from aperspective of having a body,
but you can look around.
If you could look around allthe way, you're just like I'm on
(37:36):
the holodeodeck, for lack of abetter term, and it's all there,
and so you are aware of self.
That is the infinite.
You are the infinite.
It is not this body that canonly perceive these things, and
when you start to get that, yougo oh, okay, so if, if, if, uh,
(37:56):
something caused that body tostop working, I'm still around.
Well, that's because you'reinfinite.
So the 8th dynamic is you.
You're not going anywhere.
You can't kill a Phaeton.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It's interesting.
It's interesting becausethere's no words you can
actually use to describe it atall, because in order for you to
observe it, then you haven'treached it.
Recognizing that you haveobserved it, you failed at being
it.
Um, using the word itselfdoesn't actually describe it.
Um, there's like it's, it'ssuch a it's hard to comprehend
(38:37):
with our brains.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah with.
Well, your brain isn't going todo it, and even just me saying
that is an incorrect statement,Right exactly Because you're
trying to describe something inthe terms of a limited plane of
the physical universe.
The physical universe is not.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And it's impossible.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
A limited viewpoint.
It's impossible.
Yeah, it's impossible.
So it's, it's a conceptualunderstanding that, uh, and to
even say, just like what yousaid, almost uh, I, I live
forever because you're lookingat it from the viewpoint of
english terms, of what I is, andall of that, it is just right,
(39:17):
I am all right, I'm going to endthis podcast, because infinity
is wordless, nameless,speechless, littlest, imageless,
uh, knowingness,perspectiveness, any.
The entire dictionary in alllanguages cannot describe what
we're trying to describe right,right it and, and that and Right
(39:40):
and that is an infinite conceptbecause it leaves everything
open.
That is the art dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah.
But the interesting thing, isthere is a path to it which
makes it really interesting.
Yes, there is a process toachieve it and reach it Right,
which I find really interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah.
Rene Descartes, famousphilosopher, said I think,
therefore, I am, and the wordand Jonathan kind of touched on
this in his viewpoint along the7th dynamic and OT7, I think you
(40:24):
said that the word exist toexist comes from the Latin word
stister, which is an infinitive.
I cause, I place myself isreally what it means I stand or
(40:46):
I place myself.
This is what it means.
So from the Latin word, whichmeans I place myself, and X,
which is out, of, that's youcoming into existence, are you
being in existence?
You're existing, right, with nobeginning, no end.
You existing, and when youexist, you place yourself, per
(41:12):
the latin derivation of the word.
I'm just just looking at theword I place myself and I stand.
X means out of, and so, out ofinfinity, out of infinity, a
dynamic, I place myself.
First, dynamic right exist,existo, exist here, I, out of
(41:34):
infinity, I place myself.
Boom, boom, drop, mic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right.
So at that point you get this.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You have to displace yourself to go back to infinity.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Well, and that's the point.
At the time that you make thatstatement, you are saying made a
contract with myself and boom,I've agreed to become aberrated
because now I exist.
Right, Does that make?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
sense.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, I had to place myself here in order to be here
and dang.
Why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, right and oh, look at those arrows coming
towards me all of a sudden, youknow, or whatever, because you
don't have to do that if youdon't want to.
Because when you look at theand I'm sorry, I'm just going to
say it again, and I know we sayit in podcast after podcast
after podcast if you know,you're already going to know
(42:44):
which is infinity itself.
You're already going to knowand you're going to say okay,
thayton has to agree to becomeaberrated in order to exist,
because you already are.
But you're saying I exist, okay, I'm in a playing field, I'm in
the video game, and what arethe rules of this video game?
(43:05):
And then, oh, there's this, thesolidity.
And oh, wait, because thereisn't.
There isn't at all, it's justthe fact that you've convinced
yourself that there is, andthat's's the thing.
That's how we're all in thesame room is when you're not
doing that and you step outsidethe body and go I'm a thetan, I
(43:27):
can perceive anything I want to.
And then you come back and themeter says read through the body
.
Oh, there's that person.
Hey, I haven't seen you in along time, but you're not seeing
a picture of them.
You're not seeing their face,you just know that they are.
You're getting in communicationwith another being that's on
the other side of the universein some cases because there is
(43:52):
no other side of the universe.
You have to step out of that uhholodeck, if you, of the
physical universe, and when youbecome aware of this, everything
and everyone is there.
There's no time, space, speed,distance, none of that stuff.
And that includes knowing Right.
(44:12):
And you have to dumb yourselfdown to exist and to say, okay,
now I'm back into the video gameand this is that.
But see, the whole point ofthis podcast, the eighth dynamic
is you need look no further forthe eighth dynamic in infinity
than I am, I am myself and I cando the same thing and create
(44:37):
other little of myself and I cansay go forth and experience in
the theta universe, and if theydecide to exist, that's up to
them or they can do somethingelse, and so that sort of
describes infinity.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
It's very hard to describe in words.
Infinity, it's very hard todescribe in words.
I remember when I was young Ihad I created this friend.
His name was billy and Icreated this friend named billy
and I really, really loved billyand me and billy had a really,
really good time together.
And when I got a certain age Ican't remember what age it was
(45:15):
now, but when I got a certainage, billy and this is the way
I'm going to say it, because Ididn't understand what it meant
at the time, but this is what Iwould say Billy killed himself.
Okay, and my friend, my littlefriend, billy, that I created,
killed himself and he ceased toexist.
(45:38):
I still remember Billy to thisday.
I can describe him, I can talkabout him, I can have full
stories about Billy.
Billy was Billy, okay, andBilly decided to cease to exist,
okay, and I remember creatingBilly.
And so what you just described,jonathan, when they decide to
(46:01):
go on existing and do what theywant to do or not, or whatever,
it makes total sense to me.
Yes, Right.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So, and that comes down to why the seventh dynamic
is the seventh dynamic becausethe seventh dynamic comes before
the eighth dynamic.
The seventh dynamic encompassesthe entire entire spiritual
universe, all forms of spiritualexistence and awareness,
whether they have specificidentity or not.
Billy or not billy, it's therealm of theta spirits and
(46:32):
spiritual concepts that existbeyond the physical universe.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
So one bleeds into the other and again it words
fail so would it be safe to saythat the seventh dynamic is
being able to observe thepotential for infinity by seeing
the other side, and then theeighth dynamic is actually being
(46:58):
it, so going from perspectiveto what you're actually
perceiving, and becoming theperception itself?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
yeah right, yeah, and and you also have to look at
viewpoints, recognition andexperience, right, viewpoints of
dimension.
When you say something likethat, because to have a
viewpoint, you're already,you're already and I hate to use
the word fail, but you're all,you've already dumbed it down
(47:28):
because a viewpoint requireswhat?
Dimension?
Dimension, yeah.
How do you have, how do youhave a viewpoint without having
dimension, dimension, voice.
But if you just know, nowyou're talking about infinity,
because there's no dimension is,you know it's, it's no
(47:48):
dimension is required.
You need not apply fordimension because you already
know.
Forget that.
I don't need dimension, it justis.
It just is yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, and you know it's interesting because, like
even looking at like the otherthings that stem from
Scientology during the period,you know the remote viewing
programs, the psychic work, allthat kind of stuff coming out of
Scientology as well.
You know the CIA's relationship, all those kindsology as well.
You know the cia's relationship, um, all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Um, you know stargate , like all all that stuff that
stemmed from this tech, which isreally interesting as well yeah
, yeah, I was just talking toone of my pre-OTs yesterday who
(48:41):
is in touch with the remoteviewing community.
Quote unquote, and inexplicablyso, nobody in the remote
viewing quote unquoteexteriorization.
And when I say exteriorizationfrom the body and being able to
and again words fail going intothe future, on the track, the
(49:05):
timeline in the physicaluniverse, which requires a
viewpoint of dimension, I mightadd, they're all coming up with
similar, similar outcomeswithout having to talk to each
other.
They're not looking foranything, they're just viewing
into the future of the timetrack, the agreed upon physical
universe, that these certainthings are going to occur.
(49:27):
And then they're coming backand saying I got this and I got
this and I got this and I gotthis, and they're all similar
outcomes in the physicaluniverse.
But they're, they're, they'retaking a viewpoint of dimension
but at the same time, they'regoing into something that not is
, that is something that mightbe, because they're perceiving
(49:49):
it from their own viewpoint,their own viewpoint of dimension
that they're, they're puttingout there and perceiving because
they're getting viewpoints ofdimension back from beings in
present time and what's beingput out there instead of there
just being one answer.
And it's not that I look atthat community or anything.
(50:11):
This is just something that wastold to me and I thought isn't
that interesting that there arethese different outcomes and
everything from these viewpointsgoing out looking at it.
But they're exteriorizing to golook at it.
So there's an agreed upon levelor middle ground on the whole
thing.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Go ahead, guys which, which is reality?
Right, reality is an agreedupon, agreed upon viewpoints,
viewpoints that are agreed uponas dimension points, and
therefore we get reality.
I think that when we look atlife from the eighth dynamic to
(50:58):
make sure I got it, say it right.
But when we look at life fromthe eighth dynamic viewpoint,
what ends up happening is lifebecomes, in my opinion, less
complex.
Right, life can come from theperspective of infinity, right.
(51:21):
And then when you see life fromthe perspective of infinity,
and the infinitude of life, theinfinitude of your own existence
, the infinitude of all, that iswhen you see it, I mean down to
the very atom, down to the veryelectron, neutron, proton, down
(51:42):
to the very string theory,whatever you want to call it, if
you want to look at it from aphysics perspective, when you
look at life from an infinityviewpoint, there is no distance,
there is no separation.
If you want to make money, ifyou want to, and that's
something that you enjoy andthat's something that you want
to have and experience, okay,who are you being?
(52:06):
Y'all know where I'm finna gowith this.
Who are you being and what doyou do?
However, you do your do.
However, you do your do andwhat do you do?
However, you do your do.
However, you do your do becauseI do my do.
Ok, what are you, who are youbeing and what do you do so that
(52:27):
you can have what you say youwant creator, so that you can
increase and expand yourawareness characteristics, in
order to be able to do this froman OT perspective, to be at
complete cause over life, matter, energy, space, time and
(52:49):
thought.
Come on, man, what are wetalking about here?
Why is this still aconversation?
Why are you still sitting therewaiting for register?
Call me, go to the feed, go tothe website.
What are we talking about here?
Because there's no other way tolive.
I'm telling you now, when youlook at life from this
(53:12):
perspective, you'll get to aplace where you say there's no
other way to live.
Why would I live any other way?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
than God.
Right, and I wanted to pointout with what I was talking
about as far as with the remoteviewers and everything and this
may or may not be a mind blowerof a statement, but the thing is
is that there were an infinityof outcomes coming from these
people who were remote viewing.
Yes, isn't that interesting.
And then if you say to somebodywho's going up the bridge and
(53:42):
they're like well, what do you,what do you think about all this
, jonathan, quentin and arthurand everything, my answer would
be what do you want to havehappen?
What do you want to have happenin the future on planet Earth?
Yeah, there's an infinity ofoutcomes.
What, what is your Infinity ofoutcomes?
And what is finite that you wantto have happen in this piddly
(54:06):
little restrictive physicaluniverse?
Because, well, in the end,ultimately it doesn't, doesn't
really matter outside of thesurvival of you or the species
or whatever.
You're going to be around, baby, you're going to be around and
that's all there is to it.
So you could do something tohelp it, or you could do
(54:29):
something to hurt it, or youcould do nothing and you could
let other people decide, out ofan infinity of outcomes, what's
going to happen, and you can'tlimit yourself to the physical
universe.
You, you have to be able togrant yourself the beingness of
you are infinity, that's allthere is to it.
(54:52):
And uh, get there andunderstand this concept, because
it's very, very difficult todescribe in words, in film,
anything having to do with thephysical universe.
It's something you have torealize about yourself and that
infinity and God are the samething, and you, my friend, thing
(55:21):
and you, my friend, are a god.
If you so choose to accept that, that uh, opportunity and
regain what it was and is, andresponsibility, and
responsibility right, because ifyou fall, away you fall away
from that.
well, now there's a finite, notan infinite already, not an
infinite, alrighty.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
This is a pretty cool .
Speaker 2 (55:44):
This is actually a really cool topic and all I have
to say is it's wordless.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's knowing, and I think itprobably defines the definition
of Scientology to the coreknowing how to know and there is
a difference between knowingand knowing.
(56:05):
And I think, as a small example, it's like knowing there's beef
stroganoff and then there'sknowing how to make beef
stroganoff with a recipe.
And then there's just knowinghow to make beef stroganoff.
And then there's knowing how tomake make beef stroganoff with
a recipe, and then there's justknowing how to make beef
stroganoff.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Right, right, and, and, and that's.
That's an infinite right there,if, if, if our listeners Right,
so we can't go on infinitelywith this podcast we've, we've
we've, we've described, wedefine it, did we define it?
(56:45):
did we talk about it from ourown viewpoints of dimension?
Inside a box there is aphysical universe and and in a
podcast, and all of this stufffrom the micro to the macro and
beyond the macro, because it'snot macro anymore when it's
infinite, if that makes sense.
Right, that's a pun.
So we hope you've enjoyed thispodcast and you too can be part
(57:09):
of the eight dynamic.
It's just a matter of knowing,and that is an infinite concept
that you will find throughauditing and training and really
wrap your knowingness aroundthis.
I'm not even going to use abody part as a metaphor or
anything like that.
Just learn how to be beyourself and you will realize
(57:29):
what the infinite and what quoteunquote god is.
But when you enter in that Godthing, all of a sudden you think
it's something else and thenit's an image and you've dropped
back down into it.
Don't do that.
Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
My grandma used to say don't be silly.
Yeah, yeah, she used to saydon't be silly.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Don't be silly, to quote matrix.
You know, free your mind.
You know, don't think in termsof a program that you're, you're
, you've agreed to be a part ofstep outside of that program.
So for arthur quentin andmyself have an infinite degree
(58:13):
of possibilities and no namaste,and we love you.
Bye-bye, thank you, thank youThanks for watching.
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