August 29, 2025 • 49 mins
The political landscape worldwide has become increasingly divisive and troubling, but what if there was a way to understand these shifts through a lens developed decades ago? In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into L. Ron Hubbard's political scale – a framework created in the late 1930s that maps government systems to the tone scale.
From republics down through democracy, social democracy, fascism, and communism, Hubbard observed that nations inevitably spiral downward over time. We explore what this means for current global politics and how to recognize where your government truly sits on this scale, beyond party labels or campaign promises.
Most crucially, we discuss how this knowledge empowers independent Scientologists to "exteriorize" from political manipulation. When citizens are kept busy with survival problems and low awareness, they become easy to control. But through auditing, study tech, and raising one's IQ, individuals can transcend the matrix of political games while maintaining self-determinism.
This isn't about partisan positions – it's about seeing the bigger picture. As Hubbard noted in 1957, "Only then can you have a democracy... if all citizens were able to understand and appreciate the issues before the government." Through remote auditing, online courses, and community support, independent Scientology offers practical tools to raise awareness and become "better citizens" – the true solution to our political challenges.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast.
This is Season 11, episode 25.
I can't believe it's 25 alreadyon Season 11.
But here we are on Thursday,august, the 28th 2025, and it's
been an interesting few weeks.
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And it's been an interestingfew weeks politically and
geo-economically and things aregetting even more interesting by
the minute.
So I thought it an interestingtopic to talk about the
incredibly divisive subject ofpolitics and what independent
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Scientology and LRH's viewpointon politics are.
And this is going to get juicyand we aren't taking any
political sides or anything likethat.
We're looking at it more from amacro viewpoint than we are
anything else, so don't get yourpanties in a bunch if you're
listening.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So don't shoot the messenger don't shoot the
messenger.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is is the idea, but it's going to be on politics.
So first off, uh, it'd beimportant to note that LRH has a
political scale and thatpolitical scale is based off of
a reference from 17 March 1969.
(01:35):
So that would have been 56years ago.
And LRH says that there is ascale that was taken from
Excalibur.
Excalibur was an unpublishedbook written in the very late
1930s.
Let me repeat that the verylate 1930s.
Only fragments of it remain.
By placing it against the tonescale developed at the end of
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1950s, certain politicalphilosophies are better
estimated by then.
Looking up these tonecharacteristics in science of
survival, much can be learnedand the ideologies are thus made
easier to predict or handle.
And at the top of this scale,what do you think Quentin should
be?
I'm here with Quentin Stroud,arthur's on his way to Quentin's
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at the moment.
So the whole gang is here and,barring any internet
difficulties for Arthur in hisUber, well, we'll all be
participating.
So back to the politics scalebased off of LRH's reference of
the same name.
Quentin, should we go from thebottom to the top or the top to
the bottom?
Probably from the bottom to thetop, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think the top to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Top to the bottom.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Because, let me say this, when we look at this scale
and we're going to go over in asecond but when we look at this
scale, we're talking about how,when you look at a nation and I
want you to spot, if you can,where, wherever you are
listening, because we havelisteners all over the world I
want you to spot where ourpolitical system, if you will,
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our governments, are on thisscale.
Again, we're not taking anysize, we're just looking at it
as an observation.
And when we look at this thing,per LRH, like, let's see where
the nation lands, where thegovernment lands, and then
what's going to happen, becausehe goes into a little bit in
depth into what's happening withthem as they interact with one
another, up into what'shappening with them as they
(03:29):
interact with one another.
So at the top we have therepublic.
You want to talk a little?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
bit about that.
Yeah, republic 3.0 is whereit's at in comparison to the
tone scale, and 3.0 is where onthe tone scale.
I don't have one in front of meat the moment.
You, 3.0 is where on the tonescale, quentin, I don't have one
in front of me at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You Can, you guys, hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, where's Republic on the tone scale?
No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
My internet dropped out Say that again.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, where's Republic on the tone scale 3.0
is what on the tone scale 3.0 is?
What on the tone scale 3.0 is?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
cheerfulness 3.0 is cheerfulness.
You got cheerful, happy peopleliving life, cooking apple pies
and sitting them in windows andwhatnot.
You got people being safe andmen marrying and women being
given in marriage so everybody'scheerful.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It's not something you see very often, but it does
happen in a republic is thereand then democracy is at 2.5,
social democracy is at 2.0,fascism is at at 1.5, which was
easy anger.
Communism, 1.1, coverthostility and then anarchism at
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0.0 on the tone scale.
He goes on to say the cycle ofa nation goes on descending
spiral down this scale.
I repeat that the cycle of anation goes on a descending
spiral down this scale.
Those two tones apart are notlikely to fight.
Those a tone apart fight seldom.
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Those a half tone apart are incontinual conflict.
As this was worked out beforeWorld War II, it is quite
remarkable to see how true it isheld and how each one has taken
something from its neighbors.
I will not go into what liesabove democracy, except that man
is trying with his ideologiesto solve mainly the problem of
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succession.
History has seen othergovernment forms work far more
ideally than those named, but innone of these could one
guarantee succession of thebeneficial rule.
Thus adherence to all forms ofideology can be made to agree
that benign monarchy in quotesis an excellent form of
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government, but they discard itbecause a truly good, benign
monarch is not necessarilysucceeded by one in the next
reign.
So you could have a benignmonarch who's a really cool guy
and he gets a lot of stuff done,which there have been some.
In history, at least recenthistory, few governments exist
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in pure form.
He says note there are no majorgovernments at this writing in
1969, above social democracy orthe tone level of 2.0.
So that gives us a little, alittle bit ofa framework.
Uh, and this was 56 years agothat he wrote this reference and
(06:35):
we, we found a really, reallygood reference uh, from was it
1957?
, I think, and there was alecture given in 1957, december
30th, in the Ability Congress,creating a third dynamic United
(06:56):
Survival Action Clubs.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And so he talks about this.
But I want to go into this realquick, because when he talked
about this political tone scale,or this political scale, rather
, he talked about republic beingat the top, which is at 3.0,
and a republic is a form ofgovernment where supreme power
is held by the people and theirelected representatives, rather
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than by a monarch or hereditaryaristocracy.
So a republic means that thepeople that are actually elected
are actually representing theinterests of the people.
This is important.
The people that are actuallyelected are actually
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representing the interests ofthe people, and I think this is
really interesting because wethink we live in a democratic
republic, right, where peopleare elected and their interests
are actually representing theinterests of the people.
But what happens when a bulk ofmoney goes towards military
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funding or a bulk of money goestowards the FDA and drugs being
approved in our society, orcertain foods being released
into the society that's makingpeople sick and carcinogens and
stuff like that?
Are the interests of the peopleactually being represented by
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those that the people elected?
That's why you know, that's howyou know that you're not
operating in a republic, okay,you're not operating in a
republic.
If anything, if it's, a supremepower is held by the people.
So if anything is being doneagainst the interests of the
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people, you've automaticallydropped home, you've
automatically fallen out of thatcategory.
And the people are not cheerful.
The people are not happy.
The people are not, you know,walking around in bliss and joy,
because they're not actuallygetting what they need and want.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right, because there's a lack of representation
due to vested interest.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Exactly.
And so the parties, the powersthat be, are entering into the
government and, whether it belobbying, whether it be, like
you said, uh, um, what they callthem interest groups, certain
interest groups and stuff likethat, where they come in and
they say, hey, we'll, we'llthrow you guys a million dollars
if you represent what we wantto be representing in this bill
(09:36):
or whatever.
Who read the bill?
Who knows right, the billpasses and now a ton of money or
a ton of resources or a ton ofwhatever gets shifted over to
this political interest group.
Right, and therefore you knowyou're not standing in a true
republic.
Because you're not, yourinterests are not really being
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represented.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I just want to make that point right, and if you, if
you and you and I come from theUnited States and Arthur comes
from Australia, and both ofthose countries are suffering
from the same vested interestsfrom the representatives, and
the representatives is theexecutive branch In the United
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States.
You've got your House andyou've got your Senate, and then
you have the quote-unquotecommander-in-chief.
And what we're seeing right now, in present time, on the 28th
of August 2025, is what is it?
(10:45):
A republic, a democracy, asocial democracy, fascism,
communism?
Well, I guess it's a matter ofopinion, but the interest is in,
ultimately, power.
Power equals either ego orpersonal interest, financially,
(11:06):
or bias due to, as he stated,ideological, and I think that
that's from what we're seeing,at least over here on this side
of the Atlantic, in South africa.
What I'm seeing off of uh localreports is we're quickly
(11:27):
falling into uh, and I don'tknow what else to say, but it's
falling into fascism.
One five, yeah, on the cdeiscale, it's, it's enforced,
there's no, there's no denyingit's, it's enforced, both
ideologically enforcedgovernment yeah, and enforced
(11:48):
government.
You do what we tell you to doand you are not welcome in our
country, type of a thing.
So there's no representationfor all of the people.
It's clearly not a republic InAustralia.
I'm sure Arthur could have afew things to say about that.
Australia is not an easycountry to live in either.
(12:09):
Go ahead, arthur.
What were you going to say,quentin?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, I was going to say and I think a lot of people
think that, looking at arepublic versus a democracy, I
want you to notice that LRH evenmakes the distinction, even as
a republic being at 3.0 and ademocracy being at 2.5.
This is really interesting,right, and 2.5 is what
conservatism.
And so this is reallyinteresting because when you
(12:33):
start to understand like I thinka lot of people think that we
are a republic because we electpeople, right?
Well, again, it goes in theinterest of the people, or the
interest of those that areleading versus those that are
being led is vested in thepeople.
This is different, right.
And then it says a system ofgovernment by which the whole
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population or all the eligiblemembers of a state, typically
through elected representatives,so where government is done by
the whole population or eligibleI'm using air quotes, you can't
see me on the podcast, but I'musing air quotes eligible
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members of a state.
Now catch this when you'relooking at a democracy, this is
where you find what we have likeelectoral college.
The electoral college, thoseare really the eligible members
of the state.
Okay, that's right, okay, thoseare the eligible members of the
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state.
So when you have a truerepublic, a true republic is the
supreme power rests with thepeople and the elected officials
represent the interests of thepeople, in other words, what the
people want.
A democracy would be where thepower is vested in the people.
(14:07):
Isn't that interesting?
So what does it mean to bevestedred or bestowed upon?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Conferred or bestowed upon.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm sorry, I'm winking guys.
So now, in a democracy, poweris conferred or bestowed upon
the people.
Well, who conferred it?
Who bestowed it it?
Some eligible members, somegoverning body, some
authoritarian system that saidyou know what?
(14:48):
We're going to give the peoplesome power, we're going to give
the people a voice, and so theybestow power upon the people
(15:24):
this is a democracy and then sayyou can come back and say this
is what we want, this is what weneed I think, it's interesting
yeah, and it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's interesting to note that, um, in this last
election, uh, part of what washappening, uh is that many, many
, many people that were not partof the country were brought in,
allowed in and bestowed theright to vote, even though they
(15:58):
hadn't been naturalized citizens.
This is what.
This is what's been said.
I can either confirm or deny.
Yeah, I can either confirm ordeny this allegedly allegedly
that this is what happened.
And and then you look at whatwhere it's at now is.
Now you're having this hugeGestapo-like push to remove
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these people from the roles ofeligible voters because you have
the haves and you have thehave-nots in this so-called
two-party system that, to me, itdoesn't make a whole lot of
sense.
When you have the ElectoralCollege and, in so doing, the
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Electoral College, everybodyvotes, every citizen who is a
registered voter in the UnitedStates in this example, once
(17:18):
you're registered to vote, youcan vote.
But the thing is is that evenof well, the term,
gerrymandering is going on,where they're changing the lines
that benefits the electoralcollege based off of where these
people live.
So many representatives get somany votes in the Electoral
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College.
It doesn't really matter whovotes the common man's vote, it
only matters how many people arein this arbitrary circle saying
who this is.
And now they, they literallyand I'm not going to use any
party names, I'm sure ourlisteners already know about
(18:03):
this, but one party is forcingthe other party to be followed
by police and escorted out, andthey had to sign a document in
the Texas I believe it's theTexas house and and that
particular party could not leavewithout being followed by
police, and they were going tobe followed the whole time, and
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some of them decided to staybehind and not be told what to
do.
This is how far this has come.
That is not a democracy.
And they were successful inchanging the lines that affect
the Electoral College, whichwill then affect the 2026-11.
That is not democracy.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and I think we're making this point because
and because when you understandwhat's happening, you understand
that number one LRH talkedabout this years ago.
You understand that number oneLRH talked about this years ago,
that LRH wrote about this inExcalibur in the late 1930s.
Ok, so, almost 100 years agonow, because we're about to hit
(19:09):
1930, now 2025, 2026.
Yeah, so so, so 90 years agothis was already discussed and
spotted.
It was spotted, this politicalscale, and what I love about
being an independentScientologist is because we see
these things and that we knowhow to know.
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We know that we can nowunderstand what's going on and
you don't have to be afraid, youdon't have to have anxiety and
foolishness, you don't have tohave all this stuff going on,
because you can spot what'sgoing on and you can govern
yourself.
Hear me, you can governyourself accordingly level of
self-determinism that allows youto move, live and have your
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being in a certain way.
And so now catch this.
We talked about a democracy,where, again, there's a
difference between a republicand a democracy.
The republic is supreme powerby the people, of the people.
A democracy is eligible membersof a state that get to make
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credence or make some kind ofjudgments on your behalf.
Right?
A social democracy moves youdown into, like, more of a
welfare state.
It's more of a where theparties or the powers that be
get to try to support or movemonies and resources and things
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like that towards what they feelis the right thing to be
pushing in the society, right?
So this is where you get lawsbeing changed and shifted.
This is where you get certainsystems and parts of your
government being defunded or youknow, whatever, whatever,
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because now you have a socialdemocracy where we want to do
what's best for you.
Okay, we're going to do what'sbest for you.
Okay, we're going to do what'sbest for you, people, because
you don't know how to governyourself, you don't know what
you're doing, so we're going todo what's best for you.
That's a welfare state.
Right, when I say welfare, getyour mind off of a check coming
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in the mail.
That's a part of it, becausethat's a control mechanism.
But get your mind more into theidea of how they're doing
government, how they're doingpolitics, and you'll see that
it's a tone.
It's on a.
It's on a low, vibrationaltotal scale.
It's 2.0.
Yeah, it's 2.0 on the totalscale, where they want you to be
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placid and bored.
That's boredom 2.0, is boredomright, and so they.
They want you to be silenced.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
They want you to be drugged and marijuanaed out your
mind so you can't fight backwell, and and that's, that's
what's what you see in the uswith, with the, the, the
pandemic of painkillers and allof these things, the opioids
type of a thing here in SouthAfrica, all they've got to do to
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get somebody to vote for aparticular party, and whatever
that party stands for, is getthem a Streetwise 3 or a
Streetwise 4 from KFC.
I'm not kidding you.
I'm not kidding you Four piecesof chicken and some coleslaw and
we got your vote and they'lltell KFC ahead of time we're
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going to be ordering a lot ofchicken and that's not good.
I was just talking to my sonlast night and he was telling me
because he goes into people'shomes to do installations of
something I'll just leave itvague, but he's an installer and
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he's been doing this forseveral years and he gets a
better view than I did of howpeople live because he goes into
these people's homes and hesays you would not believe the
average state of a person's homethese days.
He says I can't believe thestate of disarray in which
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people live and they still wanta security system.
And he's he did the same, he'sseeing the same thing.
I saw when I was in the statesat how quickly the united states
was falling into a third worldcountry situation and he said it
himself, before I evermentioned it myself, that you
know it's falling from socialdemocracy into fascism, because
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you're dealing with, well, whathe says, what LRH says in this
reference is 1.5 to 2.0, they'regoing to fight with each other
quite a bit and this is what'shappening and it's affecting the
economy, it's affecting thelaws, it's affecting who gets a
right to vote.
You know that type of a thingand you know LRH talks about in
(24:26):
the lecture that we were goingover, creating a third dynamic
United Survival Action Clubs.
He talks about this as far asit has to do with not the people
that are representing thepeople, but the people
themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah.
And so when we see this andagain, a social democracy, and
again, when you look at the tonescale and where it falls on the
tone scale is so blatantlyclear Aware for a state equals
boredom, equals people notworking, people not being as
productive, equals people beingdrugged or drunk out of their
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minds.
Right, and when I say drugged,I'm not just talking about
street drugs or whatever,because I don't want you to
think of like I'm not on drugs,I'm not doing all that.
But what are you eating?
What kind of chemicals areputting your food to make you
more docile?
What kind of chemicals areputting your food to make you
addicted?
Sugars and different things ofthat nature?
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So all of this, all of this isa part of the equation, right.
And so social democracy at 2.0,at the writing of this
particular reference that LRHgave in 1957, he said it is true
that no government on planetearth is above social democracy
in 1957.
(25:54):
And so since then, how manygovernments have fallen on the
tone scale Because he says it'sa dwindling spiral how many
governments have fallen on thetone scale down into fascism?
Right, fascism is a populistpolitical philosophy.
Populist, which means it saysthat it exhausts nation and
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often race above the individual.
It exhausts the nation abovethe individual.
It's usually centralized powerin an autocratic government
headed by a dictatorial leader.
Now, catch this A fascistgovernment is not the same as a
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dictatorship, but it's adictatorial leader, right, it's
an autocratic, which meansthere's a group of people that
govern, that govern, yeah, it'sa group of people, whether
they're the billionaire class,whether they're the technocratic
class, whether they're whatever, there's a group of people that
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are dictating or governingautocratic group rule.
And there's a group of peoplethat govern for you how you're
going to live, how you're goingto be, how you're going to move,
and so the nation is exaltedabove the individuals.
This is really interesting tohear, and again, I'm giving you
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this not to say anything aboutany political system or whatever
.
It just is what it is.
And when you look at it fromthis light, you're seeing this
like oh, I see what y'all doing,I see where it's coming from, I
see what it is and you can kindof exteriorize, hear me, you
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can exteriorize from it becauseyou can, as is it.
You can make this, you can seeit time, place, form and event.
You can see it for what it isand you can, as is it, from your
own personal universe.
I'm telling you what I practice, I'm telling you what I live.
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Okay, you can.
You can exteriorize yourselffrom it all and start to move in
a different way, and asindependent Scientologists, we
kind of position ourselves to beable to do that.
One thing I love about beingbeing able to remote audit
remote auditing I love beingable to sit in the comfort and
the security of my home,wherever I place myself, right
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my space, and I love to be ableto audit.
I love to be able to get on thecans.
I love to be able to do what Ineed to do as an independent
Scientologist.
Well, I don't have to benecessarily location specific.
This is a really, really goodway of exteriorizing yourself
out of the matrix, as it were,out of the system of things, and
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putting yourself in a positionwhere you can start to govern
yourself more accordingly.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, this comes from a.
Let's see here I'm trying tofind where it comes.
This isn't from LRA.
It says the only thingnecessary for the triumph of
evil is for good men to donothing, which expresses the
idea that oppression orinjustice can only succeed when
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people of good conscience remainsilent or inactive, allowing
wrongdoing to take root andflourish.
It's misapplied to ThomasJefferson or Edmund Burke it's
not clear who said it, but it isstill obviously true.
And that comes down to what LRHsays here about IQ, and
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auditing improves a person's IQ.
Understanding study, techimproves a person's IQ.
He says and this is in thereference no-transcript United
Survival Action from 1957, late,late, 30 December he said you
just raise everybody's IQ a fewpercent, why?
Then?
There they go, they'll all beall right.
(30:00):
The fallacy of trying toeducate people whose IQ and
ability to receive it is not tobeing educated is that one does
not educate them.
They are not smart enough to beeducated.
A further step has to be taken.
You have to raise everybody'sIQ so they can be educated.
But the funny part of it is isyou raise their IQ.
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They won't be educated in anystylized fashion.
They will start to make uptheir own minds about some
things and only then can youhave a democracy, only then can
you have a government, a thirddynamic on the basis of a
democracy.
You would have it if all of thecitizens were able to and this
is the key point, if all thecitizens were able to understand
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and appreciate the issuesbefore the government.
And he says I think you agreewith that, unless you do that,
you're not going to haveanything able to understand and
appreciate the issues before thegovernment.
And he says I think you agreewith that, unless you do that,
you're not going to haveanything but a totalitarian
state.
And what we're talking abouthere is we're not just talking
about the United States, we'retalking about the planet as a
whole.
He says now the way things aregoing, we just force, draft
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every education in on people andso on, and keep kicking them
out and making them afraid wewill cut their iq down.
Now, if we keep cutting theiriq down and they become less and
less able to confront keyconcept, less able to confront
why, of course, they become lessand less able to be a country
and sooner or later, some bigfellow on a white horse he used
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to ride a white horse I don'tknow what he rides now has to
walk in and wave a sword and geta totalitarian regime.
I think he probably waves aCadillac now or a Ford or
something of the sort.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He says or a golden toilet.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Right or a golden toilet.
But these chaps who would giveus totalitarianism themselves
usually cannot face or confrontproblems.
So totalitarianism has neverbeen a solution.
It never will be a solution, nomatter how much we may begin to
hear it whispered, from here onout, that what we need.
What we need is a strong manwith a bunch of slaves need is a
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strong man with a bunch ofslaves.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, I think this is so poignant.
I'm so glad that we're havingthis conversation because it
really is to be empowering andnot to be salacious or shocking
or whatever.
I just think that you know, andif any of you have any comments
or anything that you want tosay in the comments down below,
please feel free and we'lldefinitely respond.
(32:33):
But I think the idea here is isthat when you don't educate
your citizens properly orprobably a better way of saying
it is when you're not doinganything to raise the IQ of your
people, of the people right, iqis intelligence quotient.
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That means that the aggregateright, they're all coming
together and saying the generalIQ of our society is such, and
so when you're not doinganything to raise the IQ of the
people, that you're keeping themin a non.
They're not able to understandthe issues before the government
per LRH.
(33:14):
They're not able to understandthe issues of the government
before the government andtherefore you can never have a
true democracy.
You can never have it, becausethat's not what they're thinking
about.
They're thinking about howthey're going to pay their light
bill.
They're thinking about howthey're going to feed their kids
.
They think about how they'regoing to get their medication
for big mama.
That's the biggest issue beforethe people.
So you don't have a true thirddynamic, you don't have a true
(33:37):
group, because the individual isso interiorized on their own
stuff.
I hope you get this.
And so when that happens, theperson, the being, collapses,
the degrades down to a pointwhere I can't even think beyond
my own junk, I can't even thinkbeyond my own stresses and my
(34:00):
own concerns of the day.
And so when they can't thinkbeyond, you can go buy them a
chicken meal and get they vote.
You can give them a check, youknow, in the mail for $600 and
get they vote.
This is what happens becausethe person is so interiorized
and shrunk down that they can'tbe bigger, broader and have a
(34:21):
true third dynamic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Due to the installed present time problems, and that
comes down to economy, and thisis not an American-centric thing
alone.
It is a global issue where youhave to fight to survive, and
nine times out of ten, thepresent-time problem that I'm
(34:45):
handling for the PC is I needmore money.
I need to survive better, andthat is the present time problem
is, you keep the gerbil in thewheel.
Well, you're too busy toeducate yourself on things If
you're an adult and you'reliving for yourself and you
don't have time because you gotto work all the time in order to
(35:07):
get by.
And even if you're getting by,you have to deal with all the
myriad difficulties of owningyour own business, dealing with
business partners, all thatstuff, and that's created
through from a much biggersource than any one government.
You know I mean, we're lookingat banking in general and why
everybody has to have so muchmoney to survive.
(35:28):
And if you don't have a home,you get put in jail.
Uh, that's a, that's a.
That's a.
That is a huge ptp, and it issomething that is ongoing in
present time, at this verymoment, across the united states
and and States, and that's notokay.
So if people can't get educated, can't survive, they're forced
(35:54):
into making uninformed decisionsabout things they don't
understand, because a truerepublic, a true democracy,
isn't baffling them withbullshit, they're dazzling them
with brilliance in theirrepresentation of the people and
that's how you get them.
(36:15):
Yeah, and that's how you getthem.
The ideological differences inone country to the next, or one
country or one region to thenext, it doesn't belong.
Region to the next, it doesn'tbelong what people believe
shouldn't have any bearing onanything.
It should be accepted thatpeople have different viewpoints
(36:38):
, but we've gotten down to apoint to where these different
viewpoints, ideologically, arecausing tremendous amounts of
problems, especially, I mean,you know, just just in yours, in
my lifetime let alone.
I mean, you look in the fiftieswhen LRH wrote, wrote the the,
I did this lecture.
You know we were in the middleof the cold war, red scare and
(37:02):
all of that stuff, and it itdoesn't belong in that.
It also comes down to skincolor and orientation of where
you live and and all of that.
And we're, we're all pink onthe inside, we're all human
beings, uh, we're all phaetonsdriving a body, and we need to
get to that point.
And that comes right back towhat he says about education,
(37:24):
which is why we're doing thispodcast.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Right, and why having an online college?
Why having an online courseroom allows you to tap in
anytime, anywhere, like I wantyou to get how valuable this is
and how AOGP as an organizationis really positioning itself for
greatness in the future and toempower the people.
(37:49):
Empower you to be great, toraise your IQ with knowledge and
training, to raise your IQ withstudy tech, to raise your IQ
with ethics tech, to raise yourIQ with all of this stuff that
we're doing, all of this stuffgetting you in session, to move
all the mental mass out of theway so that you can actually be
(38:14):
a better being.
Right, la says it here.
He says in the same lecture.
He says now, if themathematician, mathematics
professors, the physicsprofessors of the country have
not so been far able to creategeniuses and educate people, so
been far able to create geniusesand educate people, why do they
think that anotherappropriation, talking about
(38:38):
money is going to?
The solution is not more money,more hours, more education or
more government.
The solution is obviouslybetter citizens.
That's the solution, and whatwe have as independent
Scientologists is online remoteauditing.
We have online course room.
We have an online community.
We have all the stuff in placeto allow you to be a better
citizen of the world, a betterglobal being, and you have the
(39:01):
ability to then become better,for wherever you land your feet.
I want you to get this that,wherever you go, when I go out
in my community, even here in aforeign country, barely speaking
the native language, when I goout, you can see the people get
happier.
I kid you not, People willsmile.
The guy who rests downstairs inthe building, he will literally
(39:25):
get up and smile hey, hey, boss, how you doing, boss?
And it's only because there's abetter being that's present.
I'm no different, body-wise,than any other person walking
around with five fingers andfive toes.
Presented differently, thebeingness is showing up in a
(39:48):
certain way, and this is how welive as independent
Scientologists.
You have the ability to shiftyour environment and change your
sphere of influence across yourdynamics.
It's a beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, and that's the thing is that you have access to
all of this material that we'reusing in this podcast to go in
and inform yourself.
I'm not even going to go as faras to say educate yourself,
because we're all peers here onthese issues and understand that
(40:25):
you're dealing with a planetthat has over eight, eight
billion people and rapidlyrising, uh, with reactive minds,
and how those reactive mindsare going to react against other
people over its withholds andall that stuff and you have the
(40:46):
playbook on on what's happening.
You're going to be a lot betteroff because you can't be the
adverse effect of something youunderstand, and it's a very,
it's a very, very fine line forfor me and I'm going to speak
for for the both of you that weare not partisan to any of the
(41:09):
things that are going on on thisplanet.
Staying out of politics is ofthe utmost importance.
You don't want to get involvedin it because it's groupthink
and LRH talks about that inKeeping Scientology Working
number one, and that's why abenevolent monarchy, as he
(41:30):
mentions in the politicsreference that we read at the
beginning of the show is whereyou.
Benign, yeah, benign, monarchyand to the degree benevolent is.
You have one individual who hasa great idea and he's going to
do something about it and itaffects everybody, similar to
(41:50):
what you were just talking about.
There in in KL, in Malaysia,where you know the, the people
are happy because they're ableto contribute to society,
they're able to survive, they,they, they have aesthetics, they
have, they, they, they want fornothing, as long as their
morale is high.
(42:11):
And their morale is high to thedegree that they can produce.
Production is the basis ofmorale.
When you get into a welfarestate, that's where you get.
Well, just send me my check andthen I'm going to go down to
7-Eleven or Quick Trip and pickup, or Wawa, and pick up a
24-pack of Coors Light, andthere's no production.
(42:35):
So they're unhappy.
What happens to people whenthey get bored?
Their ethics go out, whetherthey're at the bottom of the pay
scale and they're on welfare orwhatever it is government
subsidies and they're gettinggovernment cheese, or they have
all the money in the world andthey want for nothing and their
(42:56):
ethics go out even more.
And that's why you have quote,unquote, the Illuminati.
And it's not a matter of whetheryou believe that these
individuals with more than theaverage bearer's number of
suppressive tendencies are goingto do and are doing what
they're doing.
It is a matter of they have themoney to do what they're doing
(43:19):
and they believe in the causesthat they believe in.
And even LRH says even I have ahard time confronting evil, but
you've got to confront it andthat comes with IQ and you get
IQ.
This is where this is all goingyour intelligence quotient,
which is an arbitrary, but it'sa gauge of your intelligence,
(43:39):
your problem-solving skills,your ability to look at things
for what they are.
That comes from illuminatingand educating yourself on these
principles and getting a bigmacro, exterior viewpoint,
getting on course, gettingauditing so your awareness level
comes up that you can go hey,I'm not confronting this, this
(44:00):
is evil.
What's happening?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Right, you know, everybody has the right to
survive and be happy and beself-determined, everybody on
this planet, and there's morethan enough room for everyone,
as long as they're allowed to dothat at this and confronting
this conversation, which we havenever done before, I think is
(44:22):
really really valuable forpeople who want to just know why
things are the way they are,why things are going on that are
going on and what I can doabout it as an independent
Scientologist, how to kind ofmove through this thing in a
(44:46):
certain way.
So I feel very, very good aboutknowing that at least now
there's some awareness around it.
And do me a favor, like whenyou guys get a chance, let's
talk.
Comment in the comments below.
Comment on the college.
Reach out to us and let us knowwhat your thoughts are.
We just had somebody who wantsto talk about these things and
they booked a time to talk aboutsome stuff going on in their
(45:08):
own world.
So you feel free to do that.
You know, book a time and let'stalk about what's going on so
that you can get the help thatyou need, um and and hopefully
raise to a place where you canoperate in self-determinism and
maybe, like I said earlier, beexterior to the stuff that's
going on around you and, uh, canlive a better life because of
(45:29):
it.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yep, Look, don't listen, and that's that's what
we're trying to help you do andlove your fellow Satan, your
fellow man, your, your fellowwoman, your fellow children, and
that's that's all it comes downto is is you can't survive on
your own.
It takes a third dynamic to doit in the fourth dynamic and a
(45:52):
United survival club.
That's right, United survivalclub.
So I yeah.
I, I'd like, I'd like everybodyto just take some time and look
at this from an exteriorviewpoint and not have a bias
because of political affiliation, because bias is the problem
(46:14):
and we're all here on the samebig blue and green rock and the
way out is the way through andsurvival is to the degree that
you're doing everything you canto aid your own dynamics, and
that includes everybody else.
So for Quentin, artie has beenin and out due to the Internet
(46:34):
reception Sorry, that's okay Onhis way to Quentin to get to
doing his TRs with Quentin forhis pro TRs.
So, with no more preamble oneverything, take a look at this,
get in touch with us.
Let's have a dialogue onYouTube and talk about this in
the comments.
Also, on Spotify, applePodcasts and a slew of other
(46:59):
places, you can listen to thispodcast.
Thank you for being here andnamaste, and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Peace Bye-bye, peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast.
This is Season 11, episode 25.
I can't believe it's 25 alreadyon Season 11.
But here we are on Thursday,august, the 28th 2025, and it's
been an interesting few weeks.
(00:24):
And it's been an interestingfew weeks politically and
geo-economically and things aregetting even more interesting by
the minute.
So I thought it an interestingtopic to talk about the
incredibly divisive subject ofpolitics and what independent
(00:47):
Scientology and LRH's viewpointon politics are.
And this is going to get juicyand we aren't taking any
political sides or anything likethat.
We're looking at it more from amacro viewpoint than we are
anything else, so don't get yourpanties in a bunch if you're
listening.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So don't shoot the messenger don't shoot the
messenger.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is is the idea, but it's going to be on politics.
So first off, uh, it'd beimportant to note that LRH has a
political scale and thatpolitical scale is based off of
a reference from 17 March 1969.
(01:35):
So that would have been 56years ago.
And LRH says that there is ascale that was taken from
Excalibur.
Excalibur was an unpublishedbook written in the very late
1930s.
Let me repeat that the verylate 1930s.
Only fragments of it remain.
By placing it against the tonescale developed at the end of
(01:56):
1950s, certain politicalphilosophies are better
estimated by then.
Looking up these tonecharacteristics in science of
survival, much can be learnedand the ideologies are thus made
easier to predict or handle.
And at the top of this scale,what do you think Quentin should
be?
I'm here with Quentin Stroud,arthur's on his way to Quentin's
(02:18):
at the moment.
So the whole gang is here and,barring any internet
difficulties for Arthur in hisUber, well, we'll all be
participating.
So back to the politics scalebased off of LRH's reference of
the same name.
Quentin, should we go from thebottom to the top or the top to
the bottom?
Probably from the bottom to thetop, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think the top to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Top to the bottom.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Because, let me say this, when we look at this scale
and we're going to go over in asecond but when we look at this
scale, we're talking about how,when you look at a nation and I
want you to spot, if you can,where, wherever you are
listening, because we havelisteners all over the world I
want you to spot where ourpolitical system, if you will,
(03:03):
our governments, are on thisscale.
Again, we're not taking anysize, we're just looking at it
as an observation.
And when we look at this thing,per LRH, like, let's see where
the nation lands, where thegovernment lands, and then
what's going to happen, becausehe goes into a little bit in
depth into what's happening withthem as they interact with one
another, up into what'shappening with them as they
(03:29):
interact with one another.
So at the top we have therepublic.
You want to talk a little?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
bit about that.
Yeah, republic 3.0 is whereit's at in comparison to the
tone scale, and 3.0 is where onthe tone scale.
I don't have one in front of meat the moment.
You, 3.0 is where on the tonescale, quentin, I don't have one
in front of me at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You Can, you guys, hear me?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, where's Republic on the tone scale?
No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
My internet dropped out Say that again.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, where's Republic on the tone scale 3.0
is what on the tone scale 3.0 is?
What on the tone scale 3.0 is?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
cheerfulness 3.0 is cheerfulness.
You got cheerful, happy peopleliving life, cooking apple pies
and sitting them in windows andwhatnot.
You got people being safe andmen marrying and women being
given in marriage so everybody'scheerful.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It's not something you see very often, but it does
happen in a republic is thereand then democracy is at 2.5,
social democracy is at 2.0,fascism is at at 1.5, which was
easy anger.
Communism, 1.1, coverthostility and then anarchism at
(04:52):
0.0 on the tone scale.
He goes on to say the cycle ofa nation goes on descending
spiral down this scale.
I repeat that the cycle of anation goes on a descending
spiral down this scale.
Those two tones apart are notlikely to fight.
Those a tone apart fight seldom.
(05:12):
Those a half tone apart are incontinual conflict.
As this was worked out beforeWorld War II, it is quite
remarkable to see how true it isheld and how each one has taken
something from its neighbors.
I will not go into what liesabove democracy, except that man
is trying with his ideologiesto solve mainly the problem of
(05:33):
succession.
History has seen othergovernment forms work far more
ideally than those named, but innone of these could one
guarantee succession of thebeneficial rule.
Thus adherence to all forms ofideology can be made to agree
that benign monarchy in quotesis an excellent form of
(05:54):
government, but they discard itbecause a truly good, benign
monarch is not necessarilysucceeded by one in the next
reign.
So you could have a benignmonarch who's a really cool guy
and he gets a lot of stuff done,which there have been some.
In history, at least recenthistory, few governments exist
(06:14):
in pure form.
He says note there are no majorgovernments at this writing in
1969, above social democracy orthe tone level of 2.0.
So that gives us a little, alittle bit ofa framework.
Uh, and this was 56 years agothat he wrote this reference and
(06:35):
we, we found a really, reallygood reference uh, from was it
1957?
, I think, and there was alecture given in 1957, december
30th, in the Ability Congress,creating a third dynamic United
(06:56):
Survival Action Clubs.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And so he talks about this.
But I want to go into this realquick, because when he talked
about this political tone scale,or this political scale, rather
, he talked about republic beingat the top, which is at 3.0,
and a republic is a form ofgovernment where supreme power
is held by the people and theirelected representatives, rather
(07:19):
than by a monarch or hereditaryaristocracy.
So a republic means that thepeople that are actually elected
are actually representing theinterests of the people.
This is important.
The people that are actuallyelected are actually
(07:42):
representing the interests ofthe people, and I think this is
really interesting because wethink we live in a democratic
republic, right, where peopleare elected and their interests
are actually representing theinterests of the people.
But what happens when a bulk ofmoney goes towards military
(08:07):
funding or a bulk of money goestowards the FDA and drugs being
approved in our society, orcertain foods being released
into the society that's makingpeople sick and carcinogens and
stuff like that?
Are the interests of the peopleactually being represented by
(08:28):
those that the people elected?
That's why you know, that's howyou know that you're not
operating in a republic, okay,you're not operating in a
republic.
If anything, if it's, a supremepower is held by the people.
So if anything is being doneagainst the interests of the
(08:50):
people, you've automaticallydropped home, you've
automatically fallen out of thatcategory.
And the people are not cheerful.
The people are not happy.
The people are not, you know,walking around in bliss and joy,
because they're not actuallygetting what they need and want.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right, because there's a lack of representation
due to vested interest.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Exactly.
And so the parties, the powersthat be, are entering into the
government and, whether it belobbying, whether it be, like
you said, uh, um, what they callthem interest groups, certain
interest groups and stuff likethat, where they come in and
they say, hey, we'll, we'llthrow you guys a million dollars
if you represent what we wantto be representing in this bill
(09:36):
or whatever.
Who read the bill?
Who knows right, the billpasses and now a ton of money or
a ton of resources or a ton ofwhatever gets shifted over to
this political interest group.
Right, and therefore you knowyou're not standing in a true
republic.
Because you're not, yourinterests are not really being
(09:59):
represented.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I just want to make that point right, and if you, if
you and you and I come from theUnited States and Arthur comes
from Australia, and both ofthose countries are suffering
from the same vested interestsfrom the representatives, and
the representatives is theexecutive branch In the United
(10:23):
States.
You've got your House andyou've got your Senate, and then
you have the quote-unquotecommander-in-chief.
And what we're seeing right now, in present time, on the 28th
of August 2025, is what is it?
(10:45):
A republic, a democracy, asocial democracy, fascism,
communism?
Well, I guess it's a matter ofopinion, but the interest is in,
ultimately, power.
Power equals either ego orpersonal interest, financially,
(11:06):
or bias due to, as he stated,ideological, and I think that
that's from what we're seeing,at least over here on this side
of the Atlantic, in South africa.
What I'm seeing off of uh localreports is we're quickly
(11:27):
falling into uh, and I don'tknow what else to say, but it's
falling into fascism.
One five, yeah, on the cdeiscale, it's, it's enforced,
there's no, there's no denyingit's, it's enforced, both
ideologically enforcedgovernment yeah, and enforced
(11:48):
government.
You do what we tell you to doand you are not welcome in our
country, type of a thing.
So there's no representationfor all of the people.
It's clearly not a republic InAustralia.
I'm sure Arthur could have afew things to say about that.
Australia is not an easycountry to live in either.
(12:09):
Go ahead, arthur.
What were you going to say,quentin?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, I was going to say and I think a lot of people
think that, looking at arepublic versus a democracy, I
want you to notice that LRH evenmakes the distinction, even as
a republic being at 3.0 and ademocracy being at 2.5.
This is really interesting,right, and 2.5 is what
conservatism.
And so this is reallyinteresting because when you
(12:33):
start to understand like I thinka lot of people think that we
are a republic because we electpeople, right?
Well, again, it goes in theinterest of the people, or the
interest of those that areleading versus those that are
being led is vested in thepeople.
This is different, right.
And then it says a system ofgovernment by which the whole
(13:03):
population or all the eligiblemembers of a state, typically
through elected representatives,so where government is done by
the whole population or eligibleI'm using air quotes, you can't
see me on the podcast, but I'musing air quotes eligible
(13:25):
members of a state.
Now catch this when you'relooking at a democracy, this is
where you find what we have likeelectoral college.
The electoral college, thoseare really the eligible members
of the state.
Okay, that's right, okay, thoseare the eligible members of the
(13:46):
state.
So when you have a truerepublic, a true republic is the
supreme power rests with thepeople and the elected officials
represent the interests of thepeople, in other words, what the
people want.
A democracy would be where thepower is vested in the people.
(14:07):
Isn't that interesting?
So what does it mean to bevestedred or bestowed upon?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Conferred or bestowed upon.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm sorry, I'm winking guys.
So now, in a democracy, poweris conferred or bestowed upon
the people.
Well, who conferred it?
Who bestowed it it?
Some eligible members, somegoverning body, some
authoritarian system that saidyou know what?
(14:48):
We're going to give the peoplesome power, we're going to give
the people a voice, and so theybestow power upon the people
(15:24):
this is a democracy and then sayyou can come back and say this
is what we want, this is what weneed I think, it's interesting
yeah, and it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's interesting to note that, um, in this last
election, uh, part of what washappening, uh is that many, many
, many people that were not partof the country were brought in,
allowed in and bestowed theright to vote, even though they
(15:58):
hadn't been naturalized citizens.
This is what.
This is what's been said.
I can either confirm or deny.
Yeah, I can either confirm ordeny this allegedly allegedly
that this is what happened.
And and then you look at whatwhere it's at now is.
Now you're having this hugeGestapo-like push to remove
(16:24):
these people from the roles ofeligible voters because you have
the haves and you have thehave-nots in this so-called
two-party system that, to me, itdoesn't make a whole lot of
sense.
When you have the ElectoralCollege and, in so doing, the
(16:49):
Electoral College, everybodyvotes, every citizen who is a
registered voter in the UnitedStates in this example, once
(17:18):
you're registered to vote, youcan vote.
But the thing is is that evenof well, the term,
gerrymandering is going on,where they're changing the lines
that benefits the electoralcollege based off of where these
people live.
So many representatives get somany votes in the Electoral
(17:41):
College.
It doesn't really matter whovotes the common man's vote, it
only matters how many people arein this arbitrary circle saying
who this is.
And now they, they literallyand I'm not going to use any
party names, I'm sure ourlisteners already know about
(18:03):
this, but one party is forcingthe other party to be followed
by police and escorted out, andthey had to sign a document in
the Texas I believe it's theTexas house and and that
particular party could not leavewithout being followed by
police, and they were going tobe followed the whole time, and
(18:26):
some of them decided to staybehind and not be told what to
do.
This is how far this has come.
That is not a democracy.
And they were successful inchanging the lines that affect
the Electoral College, whichwill then affect the 2026-11.
That is not democracy.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and I think we're making this point because
and because when you understandwhat's happening, you understand
that number one LRH talkedabout this years ago.
You understand that number oneLRH talked about this years ago,
that LRH wrote about this inExcalibur in the late 1930s.
Ok, so, almost 100 years agonow, because we're about to hit
(19:09):
1930, now 2025, 2026.
Yeah, so so, so 90 years agothis was already discussed and
spotted.
It was spotted, this politicalscale, and what I love about
being an independentScientologist is because we see
these things and that we knowhow to know.
(19:30):
We know that we can nowunderstand what's going on and
you don't have to be afraid, youdon't have to have anxiety and
foolishness, you don't have tohave all this stuff going on,
because you can spot what'sgoing on and you can govern
yourself.
Hear me, you can governyourself accordingly level of
self-determinism that allows youto move, live and have your
(20:07):
being in a certain way.
And so now catch this.
We talked about a democracy,where, again, there's a
difference between a republicand a democracy.
The republic is supreme powerby the people, of the people.
A democracy is eligible membersof a state that get to make
(20:28):
credence or make some kind ofjudgments on your behalf.
Right?
A social democracy moves youdown into, like, more of a
welfare state.
It's more of a where theparties or the powers that be
get to try to support or movemonies and resources and things
(20:48):
like that towards what they feelis the right thing to be
pushing in the society, right?
So this is where you get lawsbeing changed and shifted.
This is where you get certainsystems and parts of your
government being defunded or youknow, whatever, whatever,
(21:10):
because now you have a socialdemocracy where we want to do
what's best for you.
Okay, we're going to do what'sbest for you.
Okay, we're going to do what'sbest for you, people, because
you don't know how to governyourself, you don't know what
you're doing, so we're going todo what's best for you.
That's a welfare state.
Right, when I say welfare, getyour mind off of a check coming
(21:34):
in the mail.
That's a part of it, becausethat's a control mechanism.
But get your mind more into theidea of how they're doing
government, how they're doingpolitics, and you'll see that
it's a tone.
It's on a.
It's on a low, vibrationaltotal scale.
It's 2.0.
Yeah, it's 2.0 on the totalscale, where they want you to be
(21:55):
placid and bored.
That's boredom 2.0, is boredomright, and so they.
They want you to be silenced.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
They want you to be drugged and marijuanaed out your
mind so you can't fight backwell, and and that's, that's
what's what you see in the uswith, with the, the, the
pandemic of painkillers and allof these things, the opioids
type of a thing here in SouthAfrica, all they've got to do to
(22:27):
get somebody to vote for aparticular party, and whatever
that party stands for, is getthem a Streetwise 3 or a
Streetwise 4 from KFC.
I'm not kidding you.
I'm not kidding you Four piecesof chicken and some coleslaw and
we got your vote and they'lltell KFC ahead of time we're
(22:47):
going to be ordering a lot ofchicken and that's not good.
I was just talking to my sonlast night and he was telling me
because he goes into people'shomes to do installations of
something I'll just leave itvague, but he's an installer and
(23:11):
he's been doing this forseveral years and he gets a
better view than I did of howpeople live because he goes into
these people's homes and hesays you would not believe the
average state of a person's homethese days.
He says I can't believe thestate of disarray in which
(23:37):
people live and they still wanta security system.
And he's he did the same, he'sseeing the same thing.
I saw when I was in the statesat how quickly the united states
was falling into a third worldcountry situation and he said it
himself, before I evermentioned it myself, that you
know it's falling from socialdemocracy into fascism, because
(24:02):
you're dealing with, well, whathe says, what LRH says in this
reference is 1.5 to 2.0, they'regoing to fight with each other
quite a bit and this is what'shappening and it's affecting the
economy, it's affecting thelaws, it's affecting who gets a
right to vote.
You know that type of a thingand you know LRH talks about in
(24:26):
the lecture that we were goingover, creating a third dynamic
United Survival Action Clubs.
He talks about this as far asit has to do with not the people
that are representing thepeople, but the people
themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah.
And so when we see this andagain, a social democracy, and
again, when you look at the tonescale and where it falls on the
tone scale is so blatantlyclear Aware for a state equals
boredom, equals people notworking, people not being as
productive, equals people beingdrugged or drunk out of their
(25:10):
minds.
Right, and when I say drugged,I'm not just talking about
street drugs or whatever,because I don't want you to
think of like I'm not on drugs,I'm not doing all that.
But what are you eating?
What kind of chemicals areputting your food to make you
more docile?
What kind of chemicals areputting your food to make you
addicted?
Sugars and different things ofthat nature?
(25:32):
So all of this, all of this isa part of the equation, right.
And so social democracy at 2.0,at the writing of this
particular reference that LRHgave in 1957, he said it is true
that no government on planetearth is above social democracy
in 1957.
(25:54):
And so since then, how manygovernments have fallen on the
tone scale Because he says it'sa dwindling spiral how many
governments have fallen on thetone scale down into fascism?
Right, fascism is a populistpolitical philosophy.
Populist, which means it saysthat it exhausts nation and
(26:19):
often race above the individual.
It exhausts the nation abovethe individual.
It's usually centralized powerin an autocratic government
headed by a dictatorial leader.
Now, catch this A fascistgovernment is not the same as a
(26:39):
dictatorship, but it's adictatorial leader, right, it's
an autocratic, which meansthere's a group of people that
govern, that govern, yeah, it'sa group of people, whether
they're the billionaire class,whether they're the technocratic
class, whether they're whatever, there's a group of people that
(27:00):
are dictating or governingautocratic group rule.
And there's a group of peoplethat govern for you how you're
going to live, how you're goingto be, how you're going to move,
and so the nation is exaltedabove the individuals.
This is really interesting tohear, and again, I'm giving you
(27:21):
this not to say anything aboutany political system or whatever
.
It just is what it is.
And when you look at it fromthis light, you're seeing this
like oh, I see what y'all doing,I see where it's coming from, I
see what it is and you can kindof exteriorize, hear me, you
(27:42):
can exteriorize from it becauseyou can, as is it.
You can make this, you can seeit time, place, form and event.
You can see it for what it isand you can, as is it, from your
own personal universe.
I'm telling you what I practice, I'm telling you what I live.
(28:07):
Okay, you can.
You can exteriorize yourselffrom it all and start to move in
a different way, and asindependent Scientologists, we
kind of position ourselves to beable to do that.
One thing I love about beingbeing able to remote audit
remote auditing I love beingable to sit in the comfort and
the security of my home,wherever I place myself, right
(28:27):
my space, and I love to be ableto audit.
I love to be able to get on thecans.
I love to be able to do what Ineed to do as an independent
Scientologist.
Well, I don't have to benecessarily location specific.
This is a really, really goodway of exteriorizing yourself
out of the matrix, as it were,out of the system of things, and
(28:51):
putting yourself in a positionwhere you can start to govern
yourself more accordingly.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, this comes from a.
Let's see here I'm trying tofind where it comes.
This isn't from LRA.
It says the only thingnecessary for the triumph of
evil is for good men to donothing, which expresses the
idea that oppression orinjustice can only succeed when
(29:16):
people of good conscience remainsilent or inactive, allowing
wrongdoing to take root andflourish.
It's misapplied to ThomasJefferson or Edmund Burke it's
not clear who said it, but it isstill obviously true.
And that comes down to what LRHsays here about IQ, and
(29:39):
auditing improves a person's IQ.
Understanding study, techimproves a person's IQ.
He says and this is in thereference no-transcript United
Survival Action from 1957, late,late, 30 December he said you
just raise everybody's IQ a fewpercent, why?
Then?
There they go, they'll all beall right.
(30:00):
The fallacy of trying toeducate people whose IQ and
ability to receive it is not tobeing educated is that one does
not educate them.
They are not smart enough to beeducated.
A further step has to be taken.
You have to raise everybody'sIQ so they can be educated.
But the funny part of it is isyou raise their IQ.
(30:21):
They won't be educated in anystylized fashion.
They will start to make uptheir own minds about some
things and only then can youhave a democracy, only then can
you have a government, a thirddynamic on the basis of a
democracy.
You would have it if all of thecitizens were able to and this
is the key point, if all thecitizens were able to understand
(30:44):
and appreciate the issuesbefore the government.
And he says I think you agreewith that, unless you do that,
you're not going to haveanything able to understand and
appreciate the issues before thegovernment.
And he says I think you agreewith that, unless you do that,
you're not going to haveanything but a totalitarian
state.
And what we're talking abouthere is we're not just talking
about the United States, we'retalking about the planet as a
whole.
He says now the way things aregoing, we just force, draft
(31:07):
every education in on people andso on, and keep kicking them
out and making them afraid wewill cut their iq down.
Now, if we keep cutting theiriq down and they become less and
less able to confront keyconcept, less able to confront
why, of course, they become lessand less able to be a country
and sooner or later, some bigfellow on a white horse he used
(31:30):
to ride a white horse I don'tknow what he rides now has to
walk in and wave a sword and geta totalitarian regime.
I think he probably waves aCadillac now or a Ford or
something of the sort.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He says or a golden toilet.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Right or a golden toilet.
But these chaps who would giveus totalitarianism themselves
usually cannot face or confrontproblems.
So totalitarianism has neverbeen a solution.
It never will be a solution, nomatter how much we may begin to
hear it whispered, from here onout, that what we need.
What we need is a strong manwith a bunch of slaves need is a
(32:12):
strong man with a bunch ofslaves.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, I think this is so poignant.
I'm so glad that we're havingthis conversation because it
really is to be empowering andnot to be salacious or shocking
or whatever.
I just think that you know, andif any of you have any comments
or anything that you want tosay in the comments down below,
please feel free and we'lldefinitely respond.
(32:33):
But I think the idea here is isthat when you don't educate
your citizens properly orprobably a better way of saying
it is when you're not doinganything to raise the IQ of your
people, of the people right, iqis intelligence quotient.
(32:54):
That means that the aggregateright, they're all coming
together and saying the generalIQ of our society is such, and
so when you're not doinganything to raise the IQ of the
people, that you're keeping themin a non.
They're not able to understandthe issues before the government
per LRH.
(33:14):
They're not able to understandthe issues of the government
before the government andtherefore you can never have a
true democracy.
You can never have it, becausethat's not what they're thinking
about.
They're thinking about howthey're going to pay their light
bill.
They're thinking about howthey're going to feed their kids
.
They think about how they'regoing to get their medication
for big mama.
That's the biggest issue beforethe people.
So you don't have a true thirddynamic, you don't have a true
(33:37):
group, because the individual isso interiorized on their own
stuff.
I hope you get this.
And so when that happens, theperson, the being, collapses,
the degrades down to a pointwhere I can't even think beyond
my own junk, I can't even thinkbeyond my own stresses and my
(34:00):
own concerns of the day.
And so when they can't thinkbeyond, you can go buy them a
chicken meal and get they vote.
You can give them a check, youknow, in the mail for $600 and
get they vote.
This is what happens becausethe person is so interiorized
and shrunk down that they can'tbe bigger, broader and have a
(34:21):
true third dynamic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Due to the installed present time problems, and that
comes down to economy, and thisis not an American-centric thing
alone.
It is a global issue where youhave to fight to survive, and
nine times out of ten, thepresent-time problem that I'm
(34:45):
handling for the PC is I needmore money.
I need to survive better, andthat is the present time problem
is, you keep the gerbil in thewheel.
Well, you're too busy toeducate yourself on things If
you're an adult and you'reliving for yourself and you
don't have time because you gotto work all the time in order to
(35:07):
get by.
And even if you're getting by,you have to deal with all the
myriad difficulties of owningyour own business, dealing with
business partners, all thatstuff, and that's created
through from a much biggersource than any one government.
You know I mean, we're lookingat banking in general and why
everybody has to have so muchmoney to survive.
(35:28):
And if you don't have a home,you get put in jail.
Uh, that's a, that's a.
That's a.
That is a huge ptp, and it issomething that is ongoing in
present time, at this verymoment, across the united states
and and States, and that's notokay.
So if people can't get educated, can't survive, they're forced
(35:54):
into making uninformed decisionsabout things they don't
understand, because a truerepublic, a true democracy,
isn't baffling them withbullshit, they're dazzling them
with brilliance in theirrepresentation of the people and
that's how you get them.
(36:15):
Yeah, and that's how you getthem.
The ideological differences inone country to the next, or one
country or one region to thenext, it doesn't belong.
Region to the next, it doesn'tbelong what people believe
shouldn't have any bearing onanything.
It should be accepted thatpeople have different viewpoints
(36:38):
, but we've gotten down to apoint to where these different
viewpoints, ideologically, arecausing tremendous amounts of
problems, especially, I mean,you know, just just in yours, in
my lifetime let alone.
I mean, you look in the fiftieswhen LRH wrote, wrote the the,
I did this lecture.
You know we were in the middleof the cold war, red scare and
(37:02):
all of that stuff, and it itdoesn't belong in that.
It also comes down to skincolor and orientation of where
you live and and all of that.
And we're, we're all pink onthe inside, we're all human
beings, uh, we're all phaetonsdriving a body, and we need to
get to that point.
And that comes right back towhat he says about education,
(37:24):
which is why we're doing thispodcast.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Right, and why having an online college?
Why having an online courseroom allows you to tap in
anytime, anywhere, like I wantyou to get how valuable this is
and how AOGP as an organizationis really positioning itself for
greatness in the future and toempower the people.
(37:49):
Empower you to be great, toraise your IQ with knowledge and
training, to raise your IQ withstudy tech, to raise your IQ
with ethics tech, to raise yourIQ with all of this stuff that
we're doing, all of this stuffgetting you in session, to move
all the mental mass out of theway so that you can actually be
(38:14):
a better being.
Right, la says it here.
He says in the same lecture.
He says now, if themathematician, mathematics
professors, the physicsprofessors of the country have
not so been far able to creategeniuses and educate people, so
been far able to create geniusesand educate people, why do they
think that anotherappropriation, talking about
(38:38):
money is going to?
The solution is not more money,more hours, more education or
more government.
The solution is obviouslybetter citizens.
That's the solution, and whatwe have as independent
Scientologists is online remoteauditing.
We have online course room.
We have an online community.
We have all the stuff in placeto allow you to be a better
citizen of the world, a betterglobal being, and you have the
(39:01):
ability to then become better,for wherever you land your feet.
I want you to get this that,wherever you go, when I go out
in my community, even here in aforeign country, barely speaking
the native language, when I goout, you can see the people get
happier.
I kid you not, People willsmile.
The guy who rests downstairs inthe building, he will literally
(39:25):
get up and smile hey, hey, boss, how you doing, boss?
And it's only because there's abetter being that's present.
I'm no different, body-wise,than any other person walking
around with five fingers andfive toes.
Presented differently, thebeingness is showing up in a
(39:48):
certain way, and this is how welive as independent
Scientologists.
You have the ability to shiftyour environment and change your
sphere of influence across yourdynamics.
It's a beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, and that's the thing is that you have access to
all of this material that we'reusing in this podcast to go in
and inform yourself.
I'm not even going to go as faras to say educate yourself,
because we're all peers here onthese issues and understand that
(40:25):
you're dealing with a planetthat has over eight, eight
billion people and rapidlyrising, uh, with reactive minds,
and how those reactive mindsare going to react against other
people over its withholds andall that stuff and you have the
(40:46):
playbook on on what's happening.
You're going to be a lot betteroff because you can't be the
adverse effect of something youunderstand, and it's a very,
it's a very, very fine line forfor me and I'm going to speak
for for the both of you that weare not partisan to any of the
(41:09):
things that are going on on thisplanet.
Staying out of politics is ofthe utmost importance.
You don't want to get involvedin it because it's groupthink
and LRH talks about that inKeeping Scientology Working
number one, and that's why abenevolent monarchy, as he
(41:30):
mentions in the politicsreference that we read at the
beginning of the show is whereyou.
Benign, yeah, benign, monarchyand to the degree benevolent is.
You have one individual who hasa great idea and he's going to
do something about it and itaffects everybody, similar to
(41:50):
what you were just talking about.
There in in KL, in Malaysia,where you know the, the people
are happy because they're ableto contribute to society,
they're able to survive, they,they, they have aesthetics, they
have, they, they, they want fornothing, as long as their
morale is high.
(42:11):
And their morale is high to thedegree that they can produce.
Production is the basis ofmorale.
When you get into a welfarestate, that's where you get.
Well, just send me my check andthen I'm going to go down to
7-Eleven or Quick Trip and pickup, or Wawa, and pick up a
24-pack of Coors Light, andthere's no production.
(42:35):
So they're unhappy.
What happens to people whenthey get bored?
Their ethics go out, whetherthey're at the bottom of the pay
scale and they're on welfare orwhatever it is government
subsidies and they're gettinggovernment cheese, or they have
all the money in the world andthey want for nothing and their
(42:56):
ethics go out even more.
And that's why you have quote,unquote, the Illuminati.
And it's not a matter of whetheryou believe that these
individuals with more than theaverage bearer's number of
suppressive tendencies are goingto do and are doing what
they're doing.
It is a matter of they have themoney to do what they're doing
(43:19):
and they believe in the causesthat they believe in.
And even LRH says even I have ahard time confronting evil, but
you've got to confront it andthat comes with IQ and you get
IQ.
This is where this is all goingyour intelligence quotient,
which is an arbitrary, but it'sa gauge of your intelligence,
(43:39):
your problem-solving skills,your ability to look at things
for what they are.
That comes from illuminatingand educating yourself on these
principles and getting a bigmacro, exterior viewpoint,
getting on course, gettingauditing so your awareness level
comes up that you can go hey,I'm not confronting this, this
(44:00):
is evil.
What's happening?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Right, you know, everybody has the right to
survive and be happy and beself-determined, everybody on
this planet, and there's morethan enough room for everyone,
as long as they're allowed to dothat at this and confronting
this conversation, which we havenever done before, I think is
(44:22):
really really valuable forpeople who want to just know why
things are the way they are,why things are going on that are
going on and what I can doabout it as an independent
Scientologist, how to kind ofmove through this thing in a
(44:46):
certain way.
So I feel very, very good aboutknowing that at least now
there's some awareness around it.
And do me a favor, like whenyou guys get a chance, let's
talk.
Comment in the comments below.
Comment on the college.
Reach out to us and let us knowwhat your thoughts are.
We just had somebody who wantsto talk about these things and
they booked a time to talk aboutsome stuff going on in their
(45:08):
own world.
So you feel free to do that.
You know, book a time and let'stalk about what's going on so
that you can get the help thatyou need, um and and hopefully
raise to a place where you canoperate in self-determinism and
maybe, like I said earlier, beexterior to the stuff that's
going on around you and, uh, canlive a better life because of
(45:29):
it.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yep, Look, don't listen, and that's that's what
we're trying to help you do andlove your fellow Satan, your
fellow man, your, your fellowwoman, your fellow children, and
that's that's all it comes downto is is you can't survive on
your own.
It takes a third dynamic to doit in the fourth dynamic and a
(45:52):
United survival club.
That's right, United survivalclub.
So I yeah.
I, I'd like, I'd like everybodyto just take some time and look
at this from an exteriorviewpoint and not have a bias
because of political affiliation, because bias is the problem
(46:14):
and we're all here on the samebig blue and green rock and the
way out is the way through andsurvival is to the degree that
you're doing everything you canto aid your own dynamics, and
that includes everybody else.
So for Quentin, artie has beenin and out due to the Internet
(46:34):
reception Sorry, that's okay Onhis way to Quentin to get to
doing his TRs with Quentin forhis pro TRs.
So, with no more preamble oneverything, take a look at this,
get in touch with us.
Let's have a dialogue onYouTube and talk about this in
the comments.
Also, on Spotify, applePodcasts and a slew of other
(46:59):
places, you can listen to thispodcast.
Thank you for being here andnamaste, and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Peace Bye-bye, peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
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