August 29, 2025 • 43 mins
Symbols are everywhere, silently shaping your reality more than you realize. From the emojis on your phone to political images on buildings, from religious icons to corporate logos – these aren't just static images but active forces molding your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.
Our fascinating exploration begins with a fundamental truth: symbols aren't the things they represent. The cross isn't Christ, the star isn't God, the dollar isn't money – yet we often treat symbols as if they are the reality. This symbolic substitution happens constantly, with profound consequences for how we navigate the world.
Diving deeper, we unpack L. Ron Hubbard's definition of symbols as having "mass, meaning, and mobility." Symbols occupy mental space (mass), carry personal significance that varies between individuals (meaning), and motivate action (mobility). This framework explains why companies invest millions in ensuring their logos appear in strategic locations and entertainment. When you spot that Coca-Cola can in Stranger Things or that Apple laptop in Dexter, those placements are calculated to forge subconscious associations.
Most concerning are the symbols we don't consciously register – the subliminal messaging techniques where images flash by too quickly for conscious recognition but still influence our behavior. This manipulation works because we're unaware it's happening. The antidote? Awareness and self-determination.
By questioning the symbols around us – asking "What is this trying to make me think or do?" – we transform from passive recipients of symbolic messaging to active interpreters. The Scientology concept of "Straightwire" offers a method for addressing internal symbols that trigger automatic responses, helping us gain control over these reactions.
Ready to take back control of your symbolic environment? Start by distinguishing between self-determined symbols (those you consciously choose) and other-determined symbols (those placed to influence you). Your awareness is your greatest defense against manipulation in our symbol-saturated world.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast,season 11, episode 26.
We're going to talk aboutsymbolism and its effects on you
and society, of which there isa ton of ton up.
(00:29):
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand today is Friday, august 29th
, and we have a nice openingline for this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Take it away, quentin .
Yes, and we're talking aboutsymbols, and so I just want to
say that the cross is not Christ, the star is not God, the
dollar is not money.
They're just symbols.
And so, no matter what is goingon, no matter what you're
(01:01):
looking at and experiencing inyour world, understand that
symbols are all around you, andthese symbols are constantly
conveying something.
They're conveying some meaning,which we're going to go into a
little bit more as we getthrough the podcast, and why
(01:21):
that matters to you, especiallyas independent Scientologists.
What does that mean?
Like?
Why is this important thatwe're being constantly inundated
with symbols?
Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, to give a Scientological example, you look
at the cover of Dianetics.
What does it have on it?
What's the symbol?
The volcano, the volcano.
And that's for a reason, andlrh knew this and he did it with
all of the books in the late60s and early 70s and
commissioned uh, artwork to bedone to get people to go, to get
(02:01):
people to go.
There's something to this, I'mnot sure what it?
Is, but I need to buy this book.
And that's the crux of thematter of symbols is it is a
restimulation, a mass withmeaning which is mobile.
(02:22):
Here in South Africa, thesymbol for a chemist or a
pharmacy or an apothecary is aand it's probably the same thing
there for you is a big, a biggreen plus sign.
Oh, there is a pharmacy plus.
(02:44):
I right, I need to go to thepharmacy.
I'm not sure what.
You know what that means,because it's not really a cross,
it's just a green plus sign.
But that symbolizes somethingand it's not red.
Well, you know colors.
Colors are a symbol as well.
(03:05):
If something's red, it meansdanger, green it means yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So that's how this stuff rolls go ahead well, I was
, I was gonna say, and when you,when you're talking about
symbols that have mass meaningin a mobility we really don't
think about it like that and theway lrh even broke it down, you
start to really see it.
When he said, when he talksabout mass, he's not necessarily
(03:38):
just talking about likephysical weight or dimensions
and stuff like that is the, themass could even be a mental mass
.
Right, it could, it could havemental, it could hold or take up
mental space in your mind.
Right, and so that that masscould, when you look at a
certain symbol and I'm I'm notgoing to call any out at this
(03:59):
point, but when you look at acertain symbol, what space does
that get placed in in your mind?
Right, um, I remember back, um,back in the day, like when you
would sing the national anthemor do the national anthem, uh,
in the us, you had to cover yourheart with your, with your hand
(04:20):
you know, I pledge allegianceto the flag of the united states
of america.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right, we did that in class and that flag represented
that concept.
We had to do it every day andyou put your hand over your
heart, as if to pledgeallegiance with your heart.
And they've since stopped thatlong ago, but I remember it
verbatim because it did it everyday, every day.
It's an implant, basically, butthey've removed.
(04:52):
They've removed that fromschools.
Uh, we used to have to go outin in fifth and sixth grade and
we had an american flag and welearned how to fold it up the
way they do in the military, andyou couldn't let it touch the
ground.
And this flag represented thissignificance.
This respect of the countrymeans something, and this was
(05:17):
1979, 78, and all of thissymbolism was in the classroom
for this concept of what theunited states flag stood for.
I mean, you know, you look at,I mean what?
Look at all the flags and youricons on your phone, android or
(05:39):
apple or any other I didn'tthink about that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I guess, yeah, when you look at that, when you look
at the little app, those aresymbols yeah, those are symbols
for a concept you know the, thesmiley face with the tongue
hanging out.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The, the face with the sweat coming off of the brow
oh, you're talking about theemojis yeah, the emojis, they're
all all symbols for somethingthat is connotating a certain.
That's why it's emoji, emote,Emotion.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Emotion, and so the emotion and symbolism go
together, represent, they meansomething.
So mass meaning and mobility,they mean something and they're
created in order to makesomething happen or put
something in motion or make somekind of mobility, make some
(06:36):
movement.
It represents an idea or athought or a meaning, a piece of
energy which is agreed torepresent a certain idea, and I
think this is really importantbecause the symbol has meaning,
because it is agreed torepresent this idea, and
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therefore the symbol then cansometimes, if taken too far, can
replace the reality.
Right, the symbol can replacethe reality.
And the one thing that justcomes to mind as I'm saying this
is have you ever been on aTikTok or a live stream or
something like that?
And if a guy or a girl holds upthe little heart with their
(07:24):
fingers, like the heart.
You can't see it on the podcast,but I'll put it in the thing
but the little heart, and it'ssupposed to represent love, or a
city you love or something likethat.
They'll love you.
It's just as simple.
They'll know who of thethousands of people that they're
streaming to, or whatever thecase may be, or the people that
(07:45):
are going to watch that symbol.
They don't know who of thethousands of people that they're
streaming to, or whatever thecase may be, or the people going
to watch that video.
They don't know who's watchingthat video.
It's a symbol to represent anidea and can, if taken out of
control, can, replace the actualreality or the actuality of the
thing.
Isn't that something?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
and he goes on to say that.
Well, basically observed,symbols are not standard, but
very widely from individual toindividual.
This recognition was key.
Symbols have personal meaningrather than universal
interpretation.
So it's an interpretation ofwhat you feel.
(08:29):
You think it is, or, if youdon't know, you're like.
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What it means to you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah Right, what it means to you or it doesn't mean
anything to you.
If you don't know what love isor something like that, you're
kind of like, nah, you know, Idon't want to look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right or something like that you're kind of like
nah, you know, I don't, I don'twant to look at that, right so
right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Symbols are go ahead, no you go ahead, finish.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, this is what symbols.
Symbols are a form ofre-stimulating a concept,
whether understood or notunderstood.
Yeah, so that's an, that's anmu or it's, it's a conceptual
understanding or somewhere inbetween in that spectrum right,
(09:13):
and and they're everywhere, inthe sense of whether it be we.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We started this conversation talking about
religious symbols, obviously,the cross and the star of david
or, um, you know, uh, I I havelike right over here some like
incense, like incense orwhatever, and they have a symbol
for the.
They have the symbol on thepackaging, you know, because
(09:40):
it's supposed to be peace andtranquility and serenity or
whatever it might be, and so Zen, and so the, and so there, the
symbology is everywhere, whetherit be religious, whether it be
political, right, uh, uh, wejust did the whole podcast on
politics and what happens.
Why, why is it important that,uh, a person's face, that a
(10:08):
person's face, is on the side ofa building?
Why is it important?
Why is it important thatstatues are erected, you know,
in their name and stuff likethat?
Why is that important?
Why are these symbols soimportant?
Why are these symbols soimportant?
What do they continue to conveyand to put there for the period
(10:31):
of time that they exist?
Why is it important?
Why is it important that, as weprogress, we tear down certain
statues and certain icons?
This is a very, veryinteresting phenomenon because
it's showing up or it shows upin the physical universe, but it
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actually holds space and weightand meaning in the theta
universe, in the spiritualuniverse, to you as a being.
Right, and this is why gettingtapped in and really knowing who
you are and really knowing yourstuff and really being
self-determined, causative,being that money is just a
(11:15):
result, right, money is a resultof something that's happening
or transacted or valued asexchange.
Money is just a result.
But people think, but I'mchasing paper.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm chasing them, dollars, you know, chasing that
bag.
And that's exactly what I wasthinking is that if you have a
big, thick gold, solid goldchain around your neck and then
at the bottom of it is thedollar symbol, solid gold, and
you're walking around, what isthat person trying to say with
that symbol?
And if you think about it,money, right, I got money.
(12:11):
You think back to nazi germany.
You think china, chairman maoand these, these posters of mao
everywhere.
Uh, khrushchev in russia, oryou know, I mean, you go further
back and it's a symbol.
Yeah, I just saw the other daythat, uh, on one of the us
(12:31):
government buildings, they had,they had these huge multi-story
images.
It was, it was a poster thatwas eight to ten stories tall of
the current commander in chief,and I thought this isn't good,
(12:55):
with the name at the bottom andI thought, wow, this looks like
china.
Because what do you?
What are you doing when you puta person's face, or you know?
I mean, you know in advertising.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Or North Korea.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Or North Korea.
Well, yeah, they're probablythe most current version of that
.
That it's.
You know, I am the guy incharge.
Don't forget, we're watchingyou and and now you're seeing it
(13:29):
on government buildings.
You know that's that is,offices and offices and offices
wide and eight to ten storiestall, on the side of a
government building.
Hang on a minute right.
What us president has ever donethat?
Well, they, we americans tendto do it in the form of uh
statues.
Yeah, we want you to rememberthomas jefferson.
(13:52):
We want you to remember georgewashington.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Uh lincoln, the lincoln monument, the lincoln is
huge, right, if you're, if youever, if you've ever been to dc
and you've been to the lincolnmonument, like you're standing
at his feet and it's justmassive, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And just the other day it was reported that the,
the uh bust of martin lutherking was removed from the white
house.
What is it?
What does that say?
The presence or a lack thereof,the, the whole thing with the
confederate flag a few years agoflying above city halls in
(14:30):
different towns, differentcounty courthouses, all this
stuff because it says this iswhat we believe, you're safe
here or you're not welcome here.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And that is how that that affects affects.
It shows agreement or lackthereof.
So you got to be careful withthese symbols, because you're
dealing within the realm of thephysical universe and this is
what people think.
What?
What do people think when theysee the confederate flag?
Remember the south, orsomething else?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
right, yeah, lrh mentioned about, uh, how symbols
are ever employed symbols toimpress upon the minds wise and
important truths that thesesymbols might prove an
ever-present reminder of thenecessity of ceaseless creation
(15:24):
of our desire, of so a symbol wejust talked about a number of
different references whether itbe religious, whether it be
political, whether it beotherwise, a symbol, it says, it
impresses upon the mind theever-present reminder of the
(15:45):
necessity of ceaseless creationof our desire.
I think this is reallyinteresting, that the symbols
that you're seeing before you,the symbols that you're and
these are logos, these arethey're constantly coming at you
.
When you mentioned about thephone, I thought you were
talking about apps.
You know, like the actual logoon each app well they are.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Those are symbols for that app.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Those are those are symbols for that app and you
when you see it, but you know,oh, that's the app I need, right
right, yeah, the the you know Imean.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The term icon or iconography has become so
omnipresent in our society thateverything is a symbol, because
it's an abbreviation for well,like in that case for a
particular app.
What would you rather?
Look at a list of files andremember how it was in the 90s.
You know you go in and you clickon this thing right and now you
(16:41):
go into to, to steam, and youhave a bunch of images of all
the different games that you canplay in your account on Steam
and everything has this icon forit, as your phone does, as your
life does, and those thingsthat you surround yourself in.
(17:01):
Typically, I mean, if you want,like we were talking the other
day about Buddha, you prefer thesleeping Buddha as opposed to
the eyes open Buddha.
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
What's the difference ?
I love sleeping Buddha.
Right.
So what does an eyes openBuddha represent to you as
opposed to a sleeping Buddha?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
A sleeping Buddha to me represents that, no matter
where I am, where I go, I can beat peace.
And that's actually me, becauseI remember being on the middle
of a speedboat speeding downacross the ocean from one island
to another, and I was asleep onthe speedboat.
I was just knocked out.
So for me, sleeping Buddha justrepresents being able to be at
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peace no matter where you are.
Buddha just represents beingable to be at peace no matter
where you are.
Versus the eye open Buddha isone who is seeking enlightenment
or who has sought enlightenmentto become the Buddha, whether
you're Bodhi or Bodhisattva orthat whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But yes, these all have meanings and they do mean
something personally rather thanuniversally, but it
communicates at each level rightand and one of the the points
of this podcast is to makepeople aware, because it's it's
(18:16):
more of a subconscious thingthat you're surrounded by this
stuff and you're you'rerestimulated either good or bad
by a symbol that is put in frontof you more often than not.
You know, sex sells half nakedman, half naked woman, whatever
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you know, and that's that's howthey do that, and you have to be
aware of this stuff, and that'sthat's the real point of this
podcast is what are you beingand I'm going to just use a
non-Scientology term what areyou being triggered on and why
that's around you that somebodyelse is placed there?
(18:58):
Because the moment you look atit, bing, bing, bing, bing.
What is it that you're lookingat and why is it put there?
Bing, bing, what is it thatyou're looking at and why is it
put there?
And you have to stop and askyourself what's the symbolism
pushing you to do what is it for?
Yeah, and it's so prevalent inthe society everywhere you go,
(19:21):
whether it's what you put inyour house.
You're in control of what youput in your house.
If you want a peaceful place,you've got a sleeping Buddha
there and plants, and and it's.
you know, oh, it's so Zen and itmakes you feel peaceful, you
know, and and the the, theimagery of when you leave your
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house is significantly different.
You leave your house issignificantly different.
Right, because one is and it'simportant to know, one is
self-determined and one is otherdetermined so that that's why
we're doing this podcast is toraise awareness on the
iconography that that's around,because you don't want to be
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pushed in in the wrong directionif you're aware right, and so
you're.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
so you're walking um down the street or you're
walking, uh, in a shoppingcenter or something like that,
and you see the visa mastercardlogo.
We call logos for thebusinesses.
You see the visa mastercardsymbol on the.
It's constantly telling you touse that here, use that here,
use that here, use that here.
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It's constantly.
It says ever-present reminderof the ceaseless, the necessity
of ceaseless creation of ourdesires.
And so an ever-present reminderuse that here, use that card
here, use your card here.
And you're constantly beingtold to do that.
And so now you're not usingyour card necessarily from a
(20:54):
self-determined perspective todo what's good for you.
You're doing it because theyhave a thing, retail therapy
that you spend your hard earnedmoney to, to fuel the idea of
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these companies and theirsymbols that they put out
everywhere or whatever.
And you spend your hard earnedmoney to feel better when in
actuality you actually mostlikely feel worse after the fact
, because right after retailtherapy they have buyer's
remorse.
Go figure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right.
So MasterCard, visa, give usyour interest payments, where
you pay two or three times asmuch for the item, as opposed to
if you just bought it with cashor you made something yourself
in in some cases instead.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
so as or or you just you use that same money to just
do something that actually makesyou happy, like actually get
happy, right?
What do you?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
get from it right.
Right, a possession is onething you know.
Possessions are responsibility.
Now it's okay, where am I goingto put this?
And then, a year or two later,you're like how did I get all of
this stuff that I don't need?
you're paying I think you'repaying for storage to keep it
right, and then you're payingfor storage to keep it on top of
the interest that you're payingin order to buy the thing, and
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then you have to clean it,maintain it, update the extended
warranty, all of this and soand you to the listener, you
need to pay attention to this,because you're constantly being
restimulated, triggered to dothings and you just do it
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automatically because you're sopatterned into you.
Know you, you walk by.
You walk by Cinnabon, ooh,dopamine, ah, sugar.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
They got a new Cinnabon open up at the bar near
me right next to the TexasChicken place.
So it's Texas Chicken and thenCinnabon In.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Malaysia, in Malaysia .
Speaker 2 (23:08):
In Malaysia.
In Malaysia, it's the Texaschicken, and then Cinnabon, and
then you go be the sleepingBuddha.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
After you eat.
Oh, I want that because I wantto be knocked out from a sugar
coma or carbs or whatever, andso you need to pay attention to
this, especially in our currentsociety.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That just got me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There was this scene in Minority Report, one of Tom
Cruise's movies, which is basedoff of a Philip K Dick novel.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And at the time the movie came out, the technology,
the technology was there, but itwasn't in retail as far as it
was.
Everywhere where they scan,they're scanning his face or his
retina and they're they'reautomatically putting up the
symbol.
What is an ad?
What is an advertisement?
It's a symbol for a productwith words behind it backing up
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that significant, significantsignificance.
And that's and we we now seethat today with the, the
Facebook app.
You talk about something in theroom and you've got your
Facebook app on your phone.
If you look in the T's and C'sand everything like that, you'll
find out they're listening.
They're listening to everythingyou say and you say I need a
(24:34):
new Ford F-150.
I'm thinking about getting anew truck.
And then what shows up onFacebook?
Ford F-150 trucks.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's a symbol, it's a reminder hey, you really want
this, hey, you need this, hey,this is on sale.
That is the greatest form ofmanipulation through
restimulation, because that'swhat a symbol does is, oh, think
about this, or oh think aboutthat, and that's, that's the,
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the lack of awareness of I'mbeing manipulated into buying a
truck for three times.
I mean I just saw a thing ontiktok last night that a
standard ford times is.
I mean I just saw a thing onTikTok last night that a
standard Ford F-150 is $39,000.
Just a two-wheel drive FordF-150.
But they know they can get itbecause they're putting out
(25:28):
these ads.
How many times do you see an adover and over and over and over
and over and over and you getpounded symbol, symbol, symbol,
symbol, symbol.
That adds up that significancewhich adds mass.
I must have this thing, or Imust believe this thing, or this
is true.
Like we had with the, the, thereligious figures on huge
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posters on the sides ofbuildings.
If you look at holly Hollywood,california, they do the same
thing with movies.
Now they're 20 story long adsthat are posters that are
dropped down the side of abuilding in Hollywood talking
about the latest movie that'scoming out.
You need to see this.
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So you're pushed in thisdirection, pushed in that
direction.
Now think about what that doesto you as a being, where you're
throwing in this direction,pushed in that direction.
Now think about what that doesto you as a being, where you're,
you're throwing your, yourhard-earned effort, your
exchange for your job, in aparticular direction.
And then you go to the movieand you go this sucked, why do I
?
Why do I keep going to themovies?
But it's all symbolism.
(26:32):
What is a movie?
Look at all the productplacement, look at the concepts
that they're trying to deliverin a movie.
Because of the symbols.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I was actually just working with a client and
and one of my celebrity clientsand working on the clients
working on a movie, and in therethey were talking about getting
some product placement dollarsto help, you know, you know,
fund the movie and stuff likethat.
You know, because sometimesprojects need help funding and
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getting some product placementdollars in just to kind of put
it inside their movie, and a lotof money, a lot of money is
thrown at it.
So this is not, this is not asmall thing.
That they know works.
They know what to do, they knowthat 16 million people, or
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however many millions of people,see this movie and this logo is
flashed or this symbologysymbol is flashed over as people
watch this movie.
They know it's going to get areturn.
They already know it.
It's already calculated thatwe're expected to get this kind
of return.
And I've been in conversationsand I haven't been in rooms
(27:47):
because I don't live there, butI've been in conversations where
these conversations are brokendown and they know exactly that
to the very number.
But they have a very good ideaof how much return they're going
to get by paying x amount ofdollars to have this symbol
being shown x amount of time inthis movie.
(28:09):
Whether it be a car, uh, toyota, toyota, honda, honda, every
time the car chases, or whatever, this is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I just finished watching a couple weeks ago,
stranger Things again on Netflixand I could probably ask
ChatGPT and it might know.
But almost every episode whichevery episode is about 45
minutes as opposed to a two, twoand a half hour movie.
So you're looking at 45 minutestimes.
(28:41):
Oh, I don't know.
10, 15 episodes a season.
Almost every single episode hada Coke can, a Coke machine, a
Coke sign in it machine, a cokesign in it.
Yep, and it was obvious becausethe can wasn't turned away
where you couldn't see it,because you know.
(29:01):
You know, apple does the samething with their computers.
I mean, I was watching dexteras well.
How many times the applemacbook pro shows up in front of
dexter while he's looking forinformation on the internet
about somebody there's that.
Apple logo on the back of thatcomputer and you'll see it
(29:23):
blurred out if they don't havepermission, but it's product
placement.
Right, right, yep.
Look, dexter uses Apple.
I want to be like Dexter.
I mean, you know, I don't thinkthat they think about that,
they just think productplacement.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But no, they do think about that well, the
association yes you know, I mean, that is a very real thing yeah
, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's incredible to me that that you, you see that
sort of a thing in the show.
And and then I'm rewatchingBreaking Bad again I haven't
seen any product placement inthat show yet.
Whereas Dexter was Apple andStranger Things it was Coke, and
these are all subliminal things.
(30:08):
And if you want to get into theamount of images that come
across and I'm sure you've heardabout this, the amount of
images that come across and I'msure you've heard about this
that the eye can see, as opposedto the amount of images that
are being put in front of you,it's been shown that if you take
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frame by frame, you can findwords, you can find symbols that
are in there, that you aresubliminally being shown in a
video to get you to think acertain way, but you don't catch
it quick enough.
But the eye and the mind do.
This is how bad this gets.
So you have to be careful withwith this sort of thing and you
know, granted, I mean you reallyhave to slow it down, frame by
frame by frame, but know thatit's happening and it's either
you don't catch it or you see iton the side of the building.
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It's the same thing and youneed.
Your awareness has to come upthat, ok, this is what they're
trying to get me to think.
So the point of the podcast isis what symbols do you have
surrounding you that you areself-determined with?
And what symbols do you havesurrounding you that you are
self-determined with, and whatsymbols do you have around you
that?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
you're other determined with, exactly, and
that, I think, is the mostimportant, because it's going to
happen, right?
I mean, we're going to continueto have symbols around us.
We're going to continue to beinundated with it, like you said
, from the movies to televisionto walking down the street.
A wedding ring, a wedding ringis a symbol, right, for some,
this person is symbolizing thatthis person is married, not
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necessarily in love, notnecessarily even happy, but it
symbolizes that the person ismarried and this wedding ring is
a symbol.
Catch this so much so thatthere are those that covet the
ring more than the marriage,right, just that they have a
ring.
And there are some that willeven go out and buy themselves a
(32:03):
ring, right, just to have thering on.
Like I said, if they go to aclub, if they want to go out,
they don't want to be bothered,or whatever they'll buy
themselves a ring to have onjust to give the impression or
the illusion that they'remarried or in a relationship.
This is really, reallyinteresting.
And so how do you becomeself-determined?
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And why is this important toindependent Scientologists?
So, catch this In the lecturecalled Elementary Straightwire.
Give me one second because Iwant to get the date Elementary
Straightwire.
Give me one second because Iwant to get that date Elementary
Straightwire and it's from 7October 1954.
Lrh says that now, just so youknow what Straightwire is
(32:46):
Straightwire is.
Give them an understanding ofStraightwire, how it works when
it comes to early on in thelower grades, the lower bridge.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, straightwire is just you recalling.
There's a difference betweenremembering and recalling, you
recalling a particular thing,something that you have there,
recall is much clearer thanremember.
So you're trying to get aperson to recall a particular
image, significance, a mind'seye picture of something.
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And in the process of doingthat and it works both ways you
can go back and you can recallsomething and you can pull the
locks off of it.
The dianetic locks okay.
A lock is a restimulator to ann-gram, okay, but a symbol can
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also re-stimulate in theopposite direction.
So, straight wire is for good,but you can also flip it and go.
You know what is?
What is?
Well, a hammer and sickle.
What do you think about the,the old Russian hammer and
sickle?
Well, a hammer and sickle.
What do you think about the oldRussian hammer and sickle?
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What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Is that recalling a pleasure moment?
Or is that recalling an engram?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I don't know what it means.
Well the point is that it'senforced.
Okay, and communism and all ofthat in Russia, and it was
everywhere in russia for decades.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
the hammer and the sickle work, yes, oh, oh okay,
oh yeah, and the sickle to cutdown the wheat in the right
hammered to work, you know rightright so that's, that's, that's
a form of straight wire.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now if I said, if you look at a hammer and a sickle
and you go, okay, what do youget from that, as opposed to a
palm tree on a beach and you'restraight wiring to that.
Either way, you can release alock.
But one is a pleasure moment.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
One is something else , quite different and also to to
go a little bit more in depthin, in that in straight wire, uh
arc straight wire is a part ofuh, as you're going up the
bridge, but in straight wire,you're recalling these things
not just as a oh yeah, Iremember that, I remember that
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it's not, that's not it.
You're recalling these thingsand with the with an exactness,
with an exactness that gives youtime, place, form and event,
gives you an as is this, inother words, it vanishes or
releases, been holding you.
(35:36):
And this is really important aswe talk about symbols and
symbology and symbolism, becausewhen you understand this is
that that it could be something,as it could be a phrase.
It could be a phrase.
I remember just a quick story.
I remember that somethinghappened to me in a abusive
situation when I was young andyears later and even after going
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through psychotherapy, talktherapy, even after going
through therapy, I'm thinkingI'm so much better.
Years later, a 2D used theexact same phrase you play too
much.
You play too much, use theexact same phrase and my body
locked up, and I kind of likeclenched up my entire body like
(36:22):
that, because the exact samephrase was a lock for me, right,
and it restimulated me that mywhole body just locked up, right
.
But I say all this to saybecause when you're dealing with
straight wire, you're talkingabout being able to recall
something so clearly, so well,that it it can give you relief,
(36:46):
right?
So LRH says this in elementarystraight wire lecture.
He said what's this got to dowith straight wire?
He was talking about symbolsand everything.
What's this got to do withstraight wire?
(37:13):
He was talking about symbolsand everything.
He said.
What's this got to do withstraight wire?
Straight wire is all conductedby symbols.
Symbols are things which havemass meaning and mobility.
The bank itself has massmeaning and mobility.
An engram is simply a symbol.
The words are simply symbols.
So therefore there must be anorientation point somewhere.
And if the preclear himself islost, if he considers himself
all in motion, all over theplace, all in motion, and all
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the engrams are particles aroundhim in motion, how on earth are
you ever going to give this boyany straightening out at all?
The remedy of it is to try tomake an orientation point of him
.
I'm going to stop there.
So when you're dealing with allthese symbols all around you
(37:55):
logos and icons and emojis andall around you, and then you
have your own symbols of engramsand locks and all this stuff
that's going on in your withinyou, right, if the pre-clear
himself is lost, what is going?
So much going on, so much goingon, all all this overthinking
(38:17):
and all this stuff that you'redealing with?
Right, what you're trying to dowith auditing is you make an
orientation point of him, and sonow it's you being you looking
at the symbols, looking at thelocks, looking at the engrams,
looking at the data that's inthe engrams, looking at the
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words you understand.
So you're going in and youbecome the orientation point.
So an auditor helps you tobecome that point of orientation
, helps you to orient yourselfin present time, and you can
then see all this stuff aroundyou that's been going on all the
(39:02):
time, everywhere present, andthen you can actually pull
yourself out of it and you canactually become clearer because
of it.
And I do, I do, I have thisright.
Yeah, yep, you got it right,you got it right.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Do I have this right, jonathan?
Yeah, you got it right, you gotit right.
So it's a matter of eitheryou're being re-stimulated
through manipulation or you areaware of it, and that is what
awareness level is.
You're either pushed around andyou don't even know it to do a
certain thing Master Carter,visa, or whatever or it doesn't
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have any sway with you, andthat's what the reactive mind is
made up of.
Is images, symbols that meancertain things that push you in
a certain direction.
A hot stove Okay, I burned myhand on a hot stove.
I need to stay away from a hotstove.
Okay, I burned my hand on a hotstove, I need to stay away from
a hot stove.
But to the degree that you havebecome aware of these things
and you look at it for what itis, it doesn't push you around
(40:03):
anymore, you're just in presenttime and you can't be the
adverse effect of it.
So that's very important tokeep in mind when you go out
into the world, especially a bigcity, or you get on your phone,
or you get on the internet, or,or, or, or is.
Are you aware of what it isthat is symbolizing this to you
(40:28):
to do something else.
So keep an eye out for thesethings.
So we're going to end thispodcast for now, and I hope this
makes you more aware of what'sgoing on in the world using
symbols.
And if you understand thosesymbols or don't understand
those symbols, look them up.
What does it mean?
What is it?
What's the significance, why isthis placed here?
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That's what you have to askyourself.
For quentin stroud and myself,we hope this podcast has raised
your awareness on the symbolsthat are around you.
That might be making youhappier or might be pushing you
around to think a certain way.
Take the time to look at that.
For Quentin and myself, namaste,and we love you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology
Outside of the Church podcast,season 11, episode 26.
We're going to talk aboutsymbolism and its effects on you
and society, of which there isa ton of ton up.
(00:29):
I'm here with Quentin Stroudand today is Friday, august 29th
, and we have a nice openingline for this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Take it away, quentin .
Yes, and we're talking aboutsymbols, and so I just want to
say that the cross is not Christ, the star is not God, the
dollar is not money.
They're just symbols.
And so, no matter what is goingon, no matter what you're
(01:01):
looking at and experiencing inyour world, understand that
symbols are all around you, andthese symbols are constantly
conveying something.
They're conveying some meaning,which we're going to go into a
little bit more as we getthrough the podcast, and why
(01:21):
that matters to you, especiallyas independent Scientologists.
What does that mean?
Like?
Why is this important thatwe're being constantly inundated
with symbols?
Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, to give a Scientological example, you look
at the cover of Dianetics.
What does it have on it?
What's the symbol?
The volcano, the volcano.
And that's for a reason, andlrh knew this and he did it with
all of the books in the late60s and early 70s and
commissioned uh, artwork to bedone to get people to go, to get
(02:01):
people to go.
There's something to this, I'mnot sure what it?
Is, but I need to buy this book.
And that's the crux of thematter of symbols is it is a
restimulation, a mass withmeaning which is mobile.
(02:22):
Here in South Africa, thesymbol for a chemist or a
pharmacy or an apothecary is aand it's probably the same thing
there for you is a big, a biggreen plus sign.
Oh, there is a pharmacy plus.
(02:44):
I right, I need to go to thepharmacy.
I'm not sure what.
You know what that means,because it's not really a cross,
it's just a green plus sign.
But that symbolizes somethingand it's not red.
Well, you know colors.
Colors are a symbol as well.
(03:05):
If something's red, it meansdanger, green it means yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So that's how this stuff rolls go ahead well, I was
, I was gonna say, and when you,when you're talking about
symbols that have mass meaningin a mobility we really don't
think about it like that and theway lrh even broke it down, you
start to really see it.
When he said, when he talksabout mass, he's not necessarily
(03:38):
just talking about likephysical weight or dimensions
and stuff like that is the, themass could even be a mental mass
.
Right, it could, it could havemental, it could hold or take up
mental space in your mind.
Right, and so that that masscould, when you look at a
certain symbol and I'm I'm notgoing to call any out at this
(03:59):
point, but when you look at acertain symbol, what space does
that get placed in in your mind?
Right, um, I remember back, um,back in the day, like when you
would sing the national anthemor do the national anthem, uh,
in the us, you had to cover yourheart with your, with your hand
(04:20):
you know, I pledge allegianceto the flag of the united states
of america.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right, we did that in class and that flag represented
that concept.
We had to do it every day andyou put your hand over your
heart, as if to pledgeallegiance with your heart.
And they've since stopped thatlong ago, but I remember it
verbatim because it did it everyday, every day.
It's an implant, basically, butthey've removed.
(04:52):
They've removed that fromschools.
Uh, we used to have to go outin in fifth and sixth grade and
we had an american flag and welearned how to fold it up the
way they do in the military, andyou couldn't let it touch the
ground.
And this flag represented thissignificance.
This respect of the countrymeans something, and this was
(05:17):
1979, 78, and all of thissymbolism was in the classroom
for this concept of what theunited states flag stood for.
I mean, you know, you look at,I mean what?
Look at all the flags and youricons on your phone, android or
(05:39):
apple or any other I didn'tthink about that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I guess, yeah, when you look at that, when you look
at the little app, those aresymbols yeah, those are symbols
for a concept you know the, thesmiley face with the tongue
hanging out.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The, the face with the sweat coming off of the brow
oh, you're talking about theemojis yeah, the emojis, they're
all all symbols for somethingthat is connotating a certain.
That's why it's emoji, emote,Emotion.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Emotion, and so the emotion and symbolism go
together, represent, they meansomething.
So mass meaning and mobility,they mean something and they're
created in order to makesomething happen or put
something in motion or make somekind of mobility, make some
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movement.
It represents an idea or athought or a meaning, a piece of
energy which is agreed torepresent a certain idea, and I
think this is really importantbecause the symbol has meaning,
because it is agreed torepresent this idea, and
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therefore the symbol then cansometimes, if taken too far, can
replace the reality.
Right, the symbol can replacethe reality.
And the one thing that justcomes to mind as I'm saying this
is have you ever been on aTikTok or a live stream or
something like that?
And if a guy or a girl holds upthe little heart with their
(07:24):
fingers, like the heart.
You can't see it on the podcast,but I'll put it in the thing
but the little heart, and it'ssupposed to represent love, or a
city you love or something likethat.
They'll love you.
It's just as simple.
They'll know who of thethousands of people that they're
streaming to, or whatever thecase may be, or the people that
(07:45):
are going to watch that symbol.
They don't know who of thethousands of people that they're
streaming to, or whatever thecase may be, or the people going
to watch that video.
They don't know who's watchingthat video.
It's a symbol to represent anidea and can, if taken out of
control, can, replace the actualreality or the actuality of the
thing.
Isn't that something?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
and he goes on to say that.
Well, basically observed,symbols are not standard, but
very widely from individual toindividual.
This recognition was key.
Symbols have personal meaningrather than universal
interpretation.
So it's an interpretation ofwhat you feel.
(08:29):
You think it is, or, if youdon't know, you're like.
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What it means to you.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah Right, what it means to you or it doesn't mean
anything to you.
If you don't know what love isor something like that, you're
kind of like, nah, you know, Idon't want to look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right or something like that you're kind of like
nah, you know, I don't, I don'twant to look at that, right so
right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Symbols are go ahead, no you go ahead, finish.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, this is what symbols.
Symbols are a form ofre-stimulating a concept,
whether understood or notunderstood.
Yeah, so that's an, that's anmu or it's, it's a conceptual
understanding or somewhere inbetween in that spectrum right,
(09:13):
and and they're everywhere, inthe sense of whether it be we.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We started this conversation talking about
religious symbols, obviously,the cross and the star of david
or, um, you know, uh, I I havelike right over here some like
incense, like incense orwhatever, and they have a symbol
for the.
They have the symbol on thepackaging, you know, because
(09:40):
it's supposed to be peace andtranquility and serenity or
whatever it might be, and so Zen, and so the, and so there, the
symbology is everywhere, whetherit be religious, whether it be
political, right, uh, uh, wejust did the whole podcast on
politics and what happens.
Why, why is it important that,uh, a person's face, that a
(10:08):
person's face, is on the side ofa building?
Why is it important?
Why is it important thatstatues are erected, you know,
in their name and stuff likethat?
Why is that important?
Why are these symbols soimportant?
Why are these symbols soimportant?
What do they continue to conveyand to put there for the period
(10:31):
of time that they exist?
Why is it important?
Why is it important that, as weprogress, we tear down certain
statues and certain icons?
This is a very, veryinteresting phenomenon because
it's showing up or it shows upin the physical universe, but it
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actually holds space and weightand meaning in the theta
universe, in the spiritualuniverse, to you as a being.
Right, and this is why gettingtapped in and really knowing who
you are and really knowing yourstuff and really being
self-determined, causative,being that money is just a
(11:15):
result, right, money is a resultof something that's happening
or transacted or valued asexchange.
Money is just a result.
But people think, but I'mchasing paper.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm chasing them, dollars, you know, chasing that
bag.
And that's exactly what I wasthinking is that if you have a
big, thick gold, solid goldchain around your neck and then
at the bottom of it is thedollar symbol, solid gold, and
you're walking around, what isthat person trying to say with
that symbol?
And if you think about it,money, right, I got money.
(12:11):
You think back to nazi germany.
You think china, chairman maoand these, these posters of mao
everywhere.
Uh, khrushchev in russia, oryou know, I mean, you go further
back and it's a symbol.
Yeah, I just saw the other daythat, uh, on one of the us
(12:31):
government buildings, they had,they had these huge multi-story
images.
It was, it was a poster thatwas eight to ten stories tall of
the current commander in chief,and I thought this isn't good,
(12:55):
with the name at the bottom andI thought, wow, this looks like
china.
Because what do you?
What are you doing when you puta person's face, or you know?
I mean, you know in advertising.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Or North Korea.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Or North Korea.
Well, yeah, they're probablythe most current version of that
.
That it's.
You know, I am the guy incharge.
Don't forget, we're watchingyou and and now you're seeing it
(13:29):
on government buildings.
You know that's that is,offices and offices and offices
wide and eight to ten storiestall, on the side of a
government building.
Hang on a minute right.
What us president has ever donethat?
Well, they, we americans tendto do it in the form of uh
statues.
Yeah, we want you to rememberthomas jefferson.
(13:52):
We want you to remember georgewashington.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Uh lincoln, the lincoln monument, the lincoln is
huge, right, if you're, if youever, if you've ever been to dc
and you've been to the lincolnmonument, like you're standing
at his feet and it's justmassive, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And just the other day it was reported that the,
the uh bust of martin lutherking was removed from the white
house.
What is it?
What does that say?
The presence or a lack thereof,the, the whole thing with the
confederate flag a few years agoflying above city halls in
(14:30):
different towns, differentcounty courthouses, all this
stuff because it says this iswhat we believe, you're safe
here or you're not welcome here.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And that is how that that affects affects.
It shows agreement or lackthereof.
So you got to be careful withthese symbols, because you're
dealing within the realm of thephysical universe and this is
what people think.
What?
What do people think when theysee the confederate flag?
Remember the south, orsomething else?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
right, yeah, lrh mentioned about, uh, how symbols
are ever employed symbols toimpress upon the minds wise and
important truths that thesesymbols might prove an
ever-present reminder of thenecessity of ceaseless creation
(15:24):
of our desire, of so a symbol wejust talked about a number of
different references whether itbe religious, whether it be
political, whether it beotherwise, a symbol, it says, it
impresses upon the mind theever-present reminder of the
(15:45):
necessity of ceaseless creationof our desire.
I think this is reallyinteresting, that the symbols
that you're seeing before you,the symbols that you're and
these are logos, these arethey're constantly coming at you
.
When you mentioned about thephone, I thought you were
talking about apps.
You know, like the actual logoon each app well they are.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Those are symbols for that app.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Those are those are symbols for that app and you
when you see it, but you know,oh, that's the app I need, right
right, yeah, the the you know Imean.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The term icon or iconography has become so
omnipresent in our society thateverything is a symbol, because
it's an abbreviation for well,like in that case for a
particular app.
What would you rather?
Look at a list of files andremember how it was in the 90s.
You know you go in and you clickon this thing right and now you
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go into to, to steam, and youhave a bunch of images of all
the different games that you canplay in your account on Steam
and everything has this icon forit, as your phone does, as your
life does, and those thingsthat you surround yourself in.
(17:01):
Typically, I mean, if you want,like we were talking the other
day about Buddha, you prefer thesleeping Buddha as opposed to
the eyes open Buddha.
What's the difference?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
What's the difference ?
I love sleeping Buddha.
Right.
So what does an eyes openBuddha represent to you as
opposed to a sleeping Buddha?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
A sleeping Buddha to me represents that, no matter
where I am, where I go, I can beat peace.
And that's actually me, becauseI remember being on the middle
of a speedboat speeding downacross the ocean from one island
to another, and I was asleep onthe speedboat.
I was just knocked out.
So for me, sleeping Buddha justrepresents being able to be at
(17:43):
peace no matter where you are.
Buddha just represents beingable to be at peace no matter
where you are.
Versus the eye open Buddha isone who is seeking enlightenment
or who has sought enlightenmentto become the Buddha, whether
you're Bodhi or Bodhisattva orthat whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But yes, these all have meanings and they do mean
something personally rather thanuniversally, but it
communicates at each level rightand and one of the the points
of this podcast is to makepeople aware, because it's it's
(18:16):
more of a subconscious thingthat you're surrounded by this
stuff and you're you'rerestimulated either good or bad
by a symbol that is put in frontof you more often than not.
You know, sex sells half nakedman, half naked woman, whatever
(18:38):
you know, and that's that's howthey do that, and you have to be
aware of this stuff, and that'sthat's the real point of this
podcast is what are you beingand I'm going to just use a
non-Scientology term what areyou being triggered on and why
that's around you that somebodyelse is placed there?
(18:58):
Because the moment you look atit, bing, bing, bing, bing.
What is it that you're lookingat and why is it put there?
Bing, bing, what is it thatyou're looking at and why is it
put there?
And you have to stop and askyourself what's the symbolism
pushing you to do what is it for?
Yeah, and it's so prevalent inthe society everywhere you go,
(19:21):
whether it's what you put inyour house.
You're in control of what youput in your house.
If you want a peaceful place,you've got a sleeping Buddha
there and plants, and and it's.
you know, oh, it's so Zen and itmakes you feel peaceful, you
know, and and the the, theimagery of when you leave your
(19:42):
house is significantly different.
You leave your house issignificantly different.
Right, because one is and it'simportant to know, one is
self-determined and one is otherdetermined so that that's why
we're doing this podcast is toraise awareness on the
iconography that that's around,because you don't want to be
(20:05):
pushed in in the wrong directionif you're aware right, and so
you're.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
so you're walking um down the street or you're
walking, uh, in a shoppingcenter or something like that,
and you see the visa mastercardlogo.
We call logos for thebusinesses.
You see the visa mastercardsymbol on the.
It's constantly telling you touse that here, use that here,
use that here, use that here.
(20:30):
It's constantly.
It says ever-present reminderof the ceaseless, the necessity
of ceaseless creation of ourdesires.
And so an ever-present reminderuse that here, use that card
here, use your card here.
And you're constantly beingtold to do that.
And so now you're not usingyour card necessarily from a
(20:54):
self-determined perspective todo what's good for you.
You're doing it because theyhave a thing, retail therapy
that you spend your hard earnedmoney to, to fuel the idea of
(21:15):
these companies and theirsymbols that they put out
everywhere or whatever.
And you spend your hard earnedmoney to feel better when in
actuality you actually mostlikely feel worse after the fact
, because right after retailtherapy they have buyer's
remorse.
Go figure.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right.
So MasterCard, visa, give usyour interest payments, where
you pay two or three times asmuch for the item, as opposed to
if you just bought it with cashor you made something yourself
in in some cases instead.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
so as or or you just you use that same money to just
do something that actually makesyou happy, like actually get
happy, right?
What do you?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
get from it right.
Right, a possession is onething you know.
Possessions are responsibility.
Now it's okay, where am I goingto put this?
And then, a year or two later,you're like how did I get all of
this stuff that I don't need?
you're paying I think you'repaying for storage to keep it
right, and then you're payingfor storage to keep it on top of
the interest that you're payingin order to buy the thing, and
(22:19):
then you have to clean it,maintain it, update the extended
warranty, all of this and soand you to the listener, you
need to pay attention to this,because you're constantly being
restimulated, triggered to dothings and you just do it
(22:41):
automatically because you're sopatterned into you.
Know you, you walk by.
You walk by Cinnabon, ooh,dopamine, ah, sugar.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
They got a new Cinnabon open up at the bar near
me right next to the TexasChicken place.
So it's Texas Chicken and thenCinnabon In.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Malaysia, in Malaysia .
Speaker 2 (23:08):
In Malaysia.
In Malaysia, it's the Texaschicken, and then Cinnabon, and
then you go be the sleepingBuddha.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
After you eat.
Oh, I want that because I wantto be knocked out from a sugar
coma or carbs or whatever, andso you need to pay attention to
this, especially in our currentsociety.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That just got me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There was this scene in Minority Report, one of Tom
Cruise's movies, which is basedoff of a Philip K Dick novel.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And at the time the movie came out, the technology,
the technology was there, but itwasn't in retail as far as it
was.
Everywhere where they scan,they're scanning his face or his
retina and they're they'reautomatically putting up the
symbol.
What is an ad?
What is an advertisement?
It's a symbol for a productwith words behind it backing up
(24:11):
that significant, significantsignificance.
And that's and we we now seethat today with the, the
Facebook app.
You talk about something in theroom and you've got your
Facebook app on your phone.
If you look in the T's and C'sand everything like that, you'll
find out they're listening.
They're listening to everythingyou say and you say I need a
(24:34):
new Ford F-150.
I'm thinking about getting anew truck.
And then what shows up onFacebook?
Ford F-150 trucks.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's a symbol, it's a reminder hey, you really want
this, hey, you need this, hey,this is on sale.
That is the greatest form ofmanipulation through
restimulation, because that'swhat a symbol does is, oh, think
about this, or oh think aboutthat, and that's, that's the,
(25:06):
the lack of awareness of I'mbeing manipulated into buying a
truck for three times.
I mean I just saw a thing ontiktok last night that a
standard ford times is.
I mean I just saw a thing onTikTok last night that a
standard Ford F-150 is $39,000.
Just a two-wheel drive FordF-150.
But they know they can get itbecause they're putting out
(25:28):
these ads.
How many times do you see an adover and over and over and over
and over and over and you getpounded symbol, symbol, symbol,
symbol, symbol.
That adds up that significancewhich adds mass.
I must have this thing, or Imust believe this thing, or this
is true.
Like we had with the, the, thereligious figures on huge
(25:51):
posters on the sides ofbuildings.
If you look at holly Hollywood,california, they do the same
thing with movies.
Now they're 20 story long adsthat are posters that are
dropped down the side of abuilding in Hollywood talking
about the latest movie that'scoming out.
You need to see this.
(26:11):
So you're pushed in thisdirection, pushed in that
direction.
Now think about what that doesto you as a being, where you're
throwing in this direction,pushed in that direction.
Now think about what that doesto you as a being, where you're,
you're throwing your, yourhard-earned effort, your
exchange for your job, in aparticular direction.
And then you go to the movieand you go this sucked, why do I
?
Why do I keep going to themovies?
But it's all symbolism.
(26:32):
What is a movie?
Look at all the productplacement, look at the concepts
that they're trying to deliverin a movie.
Because of the symbols.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I was actually just working with a client and
and one of my celebrity clientsand working on the clients
working on a movie, and in therethey were talking about getting
some product placement dollarsto help, you know, you know,
fund the movie and stuff likethat.
You know, because sometimesprojects need help funding and
(27:01):
getting some product placementdollars in just to kind of put
it inside their movie, and a lotof money, a lot of money is
thrown at it.
So this is not, this is not asmall thing.
That they know works.
They know what to do, they knowthat 16 million people, or
(27:22):
however many millions of people,see this movie and this logo is
flashed or this symbologysymbol is flashed over as people
watch this movie.
They know it's going to get areturn.
They already know it.
It's already calculated thatwe're expected to get this kind
of return.
And I've been in conversationsand I haven't been in rooms
(27:47):
because I don't live there, butI've been in conversations where
these conversations are brokendown and they know exactly that
to the very number.
But they have a very good ideaof how much return they're going
to get by paying x amount ofdollars to have this symbol
being shown x amount of time inthis movie.
(28:09):
Whether it be a car, uh, toyota, toyota, honda, honda, every
time the car chases, or whatever, this is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I just finished watching a couple weeks ago,
stranger Things again on Netflixand I could probably ask
ChatGPT and it might know.
But almost every episode whichevery episode is about 45
minutes as opposed to a two, twoand a half hour movie.
So you're looking at 45 minutestimes.
(28:41):
Oh, I don't know.
10, 15 episodes a season.
Almost every single episode hada Coke can, a Coke machine, a
Coke sign in it machine, a cokesign in it.
Yep, and it was obvious becausethe can wasn't turned away
where you couldn't see it,because you know.
(29:01):
You know, apple does the samething with their computers.
I mean, I was watching dexteras well.
How many times the applemacbook pro shows up in front of
dexter while he's looking forinformation on the internet
about somebody there's that.
Apple logo on the back of thatcomputer and you'll see it
(29:23):
blurred out if they don't havepermission, but it's product
placement.
Right, right, yep.
Look, dexter uses Apple.
I want to be like Dexter.
I mean, you know, I don't thinkthat they think about that,
they just think productplacement.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But no, they do think about that well, the
association yes you know, I mean, that is a very real thing yeah
, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's incredible to me that that you, you see that
sort of a thing in the show.
And and then I'm rewatchingBreaking Bad again I haven't
seen any product placement inthat show yet.
Whereas Dexter was Apple andStranger Things it was Coke, and
these are all subliminal things.
(30:08):
And if you want to get into theamount of images that come
across and I'm sure you've heardabout this, the amount of
images that come across and I'msure you've heard about this
that the eye can see, as opposedto the amount of images that
are being put in front of you,it's been shown that if you take
(30:40):
frame by frame, you can findwords, you can find symbols that
are in there, that you aresubliminally being shown in a
video to get you to think acertain way, but you don't catch
it quick enough.
But the eye and the mind do.
This is how bad this gets.
So you have to be careful withwith this sort of thing and you
know, granted, I mean you reallyhave to slow it down, frame by
frame by frame, but know thatit's happening and it's either
you don't catch it or you see iton the side of the building.
(31:00):
It's the same thing and youneed.
Your awareness has to come upthat, ok, this is what they're
trying to get me to think.
So the point of the podcast isis what symbols do you have
surrounding you that you areself-determined with?
And what symbols do you havesurrounding you that you are
self-determined with, and whatsymbols do you have around you
that?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
you're other determined with, exactly, and
that, I think, is the mostimportant, because it's going to
happen, right?
I mean, we're going to continueto have symbols around us.
We're going to continue to beinundated with it, like you said
, from the movies to televisionto walking down the street.
A wedding ring, a wedding ringis a symbol, right, for some,
this person is symbolizing thatthis person is married, not
(31:40):
necessarily in love, notnecessarily even happy, but it
symbolizes that the person ismarried and this wedding ring is
a symbol.
Catch this so much so thatthere are those that covet the
ring more than the marriage,right, just that they have a
ring.
And there are some that willeven go out and buy themselves a
(32:03):
ring, right, just to have thering on.
Like I said, if they go to aclub, if they want to go out,
they don't want to be bothered,or whatever they'll buy
themselves a ring to have onjust to give the impression or
the illusion that they'remarried or in a relationship.
This is really, reallyinteresting.
And so how do you becomeself-determined?
(32:24):
And why is this important toindependent Scientologists?
So, catch this In the lecturecalled Elementary Straightwire.
Give me one second because Iwant to get the date Elementary
Straightwire.
Give me one second because Iwant to get that date Elementary
Straightwire and it's from 7October 1954.
Lrh says that now, just so youknow what Straightwire is
(32:46):
Straightwire is.
Give them an understanding ofStraightwire, how it works when
it comes to early on in thelower grades, the lower bridge.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, straightwire is just you recalling.
There's a difference betweenremembering and recalling, you
recalling a particular thing,something that you have there,
recall is much clearer thanremember.
So you're trying to get aperson to recall a particular
image, significance, a mind'seye picture of something.
(33:17):
And in the process of doingthat and it works both ways you
can go back and you can recallsomething and you can pull the
locks off of it.
The dianetic locks okay.
A lock is a restimulator to ann-gram, okay, but a symbol can
(33:38):
also re-stimulate in theopposite direction.
So, straight wire is for good,but you can also flip it and go.
You know what is?
What is?
Well, a hammer and sickle.
What do you think about the,the old Russian hammer and
sickle?
Well, a hammer and sickle.
What do you think about the oldRussian hammer and sickle?
(33:59):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Is that recalling a pleasure moment?
Or is that recalling an engram?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I don't know what it means.
Well the point is that it'senforced.
Okay, and communism and all ofthat in Russia, and it was
everywhere in russia for decades.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
the hammer and the sickle work, yes, oh, oh okay,
oh yeah, and the sickle to cutdown the wheat in the right
hammered to work, you know rightright so that's, that's, that's
a form of straight wire.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now if I said, if you look at a hammer and a sickle
and you go, okay, what do youget from that, as opposed to a
palm tree on a beach and you'restraight wiring to that.
Either way, you can release alock.
But one is a pleasure moment.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
One is something else , quite different and also to to
go a little bit more in depthin, in that in straight wire, uh
arc straight wire is a part ofuh, as you're going up the
bridge, but in straight wire,you're recalling these things
not just as a oh yeah, Iremember that, I remember that
(35:13):
it's not, that's not it.
You're recalling these thingsand with the with an exactness,
with an exactness that gives youtime, place, form and event,
gives you an as is this, inother words, it vanishes or
releases, been holding you.
(35:36):
And this is really important aswe talk about symbols and
symbology and symbolism, becausewhen you understand this is
that that it could be something,as it could be a phrase.
It could be a phrase.
I remember just a quick story.
I remember that somethinghappened to me in a abusive
situation when I was young andyears later and even after going
(35:58):
through psychotherapy, talktherapy, even after going
through therapy, I'm thinkingI'm so much better.
Years later, a 2D used theexact same phrase you play too
much.
You play too much, use theexact same phrase and my body
locked up, and I kind of likeclenched up my entire body like
(36:22):
that, because the exact samephrase was a lock for me, right,
and it restimulated me that mywhole body just locked up, right
.
But I say all this to saybecause when you're dealing with
straight wire, you're talkingabout being able to recall
something so clearly, so well,that it it can give you relief,
(36:46):
right?
So LRH says this in elementarystraight wire lecture.
He said what's this got to dowith straight wire?
He was talking about symbolsand everything.
What's this got to do withstraight wire?
(37:13):
He was talking about symbolsand everything.
He said.
What's this got to do withstraight wire?
Straight wire is all conductedby symbols.
Symbols are things which havemass meaning and mobility.
The bank itself has massmeaning and mobility.
An engram is simply a symbol.
The words are simply symbols.
So therefore there must be anorientation point somewhere.
And if the preclear himself islost, if he considers himself
all in motion, all over theplace, all in motion, and all
(37:34):
the engrams are particles aroundhim in motion, how on earth are
you ever going to give this boyany straightening out at all?
The remedy of it is to try tomake an orientation point of him
.
I'm going to stop there.
So when you're dealing with allthese symbols all around you
(37:55):
logos and icons and emojis andall around you, and then you
have your own symbols of engramsand locks and all this stuff
that's going on in your withinyou, right, if the pre-clear
himself is lost, what is going?
So much going on, so much goingon, all all this overthinking
(38:17):
and all this stuff that you'redealing with?
Right, what you're trying to dowith auditing is you make an
orientation point of him, and sonow it's you being you looking
at the symbols, looking at thelocks, looking at the engrams,
looking at the data that's inthe engrams, looking at the
(38:40):
words you understand.
So you're going in and youbecome the orientation point.
So an auditor helps you tobecome that point of orientation
, helps you to orient yourselfin present time, and you can
then see all this stuff aroundyou that's been going on all the
(39:02):
time, everywhere present, andthen you can actually pull
yourself out of it and you canactually become clearer because
of it.
And I do, I do, I have thisright.
Yeah, yep, you got it right,you got it right.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Do I have this right, jonathan?
Yeah, you got it right, you gotit right.
So it's a matter of eitheryou're being re-stimulated
through manipulation or you areaware of it, and that is what
awareness level is.
You're either pushed around andyou don't even know it to do a
certain thing Master Carter,visa, or whatever or it doesn't
(39:40):
have any sway with you, andthat's what the reactive mind is
made up of.
Is images, symbols that meancertain things that push you in
a certain direction.
A hot stove Okay, I burned myhand on a hot stove.
I need to stay away from a hotstove.
Okay, I burned my hand on a hotstove, I need to stay away from
a hot stove.
But to the degree that you havebecome aware of these things
and you look at it for what itis, it doesn't push you around
(40:03):
anymore, you're just in presenttime and you can't be the
adverse effect of it.
So that's very important tokeep in mind when you go out
into the world, especially a bigcity, or you get on your phone,
or you get on the internet, or,or, or, or is.
Are you aware of what it isthat is symbolizing this to you
(40:28):
to do something else.
So keep an eye out for thesethings.
So we're going to end thispodcast for now, and I hope this
makes you more aware of what'sgoing on in the world using
symbols.
And if you understand thosesymbols or don't understand
those symbols, look them up.
What does it mean?
What is it?
What's the significance, why isthis placed here?
(40:50):
That's what you have to askyourself.
For quentin stroud and myself,we hope this podcast has raised
your awareness on the symbolsthat are around you.
That might be making youhappier or might be pushing you
around to think a certain way.
Take the time to look at that.
For Quentin and myself, namaste,and we love you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
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