September 6, 2025 • 73 mins
What's truly holding you back from spiritual freedom? The answer might be simpler—and more profound—than you think. Your body, that remarkable organic machine you navigate life through, is often the primary resistor in your spiritual circuit.
In this illuminating discussion, we dive deep into the thetan-mind-body relationship and reveal why physical conditions create such significant barriers to spiritual progress. We explore how the body functions as the symptomatic display board for what's happening with your spirit and mind, showing objective results from subjective causes.
When you experience pain, your body is communicating that something's not right—but the real source often isn't physical at all. The fascinating truth is that most physical discomfort is amplified by 90-95% due to spiritual attention and agreement. That headache, back pain, or mysterious "zorch" pain might actually be a postulate you made long ago, playing out through your physical form.
We share powerful personal examples of how seemingly mysterious physical conditions—from persistent migraines triggered by office telephones to summer colds that conveniently appear to avoid unwanted activities—stemmed from mental considerations rather than physical causes. These stories demonstrate how auditing and assists can identify and resolve the actual sources of discomfort, often providing immediate relief.
The path forward requires more communication, not less. By increasing communication with your body, environment, and self, you can identify and change harmful agreements that manifest physically. Whether through auditing, assists, or conscious awareness, the technology exists to break free from these limitations.
Remember, you are "the alpha and the omega" of your own experience. By taking responsibility for your relationship with your body and addressing the spiritual roots of physical conditions, you can experience greater freedom in every aspect of your life. The way out truly is the way through—are you ready to push past your body's resistance and reclaim your spiritual power?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everybody and welcome back to another
Scientology Outside of theChurch podcast.
It is Friday, September 5thYear of Our Lord, 2025.
I'm here with Quentin andArthur and we are going to do.
This is sort of a second one,but not a second one, entitled
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why your Body Is Holding youBack, and we're going to go over
the fate and mind body part,but just the body part, because
the body is the resistor, if youwill, in the equation of the
(00:47):
thetan mind-body.
If your body is havingdifficulties which can be
psychosomatic or caused by athetan and their
mind-slash-reactive mind, thethetan being the analytical mind
.
For those who don't know whatthe analytical mind is, it is
you, the thetan, the spirit, thebeing.
(01:08):
And we're going to get intosome of the topics that the body
holds a person back fromgetting in session, holds them
back from getting on in life andhow to handle those things.
This one was brought up byQuentin, so I'm going to give
him the lead and I'll jump in onthings from a technical aspect,
(01:30):
like we do, and I'm sure Artiewill have some things as well.
Artie likes talking about thebody.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, you know, I think I think this is such an
important conversation becauseobviously, anybody bumping
around here on planet Earth inany effective way of working
with the body and so you know,listening to this, and even as
independent Scientologists, youknow whether you're in session
(01:59):
or out of session, whetheryou're driving down the road,
whether you're dealing with yourfamily, whether you're trying
to make love to your boo,anything that you're kind of
doing you're working with a bodyand what is it that's going on
there that could be holding youback?
What is it that's keeping you inthese stuck flows, in these
(02:21):
pains, psychosomatic thingsthat's turning on, which we're
going to go into in a little bit.
But like, what is it that is somessed up about this body
situation and why is it soimportant that we handle it as
independent Scientologists inorder to go free as a being?
So I think this is reallyimportant and I wanted us to
kind of dive into it, namely, ifwe talk about psychosomatic
(02:47):
illness, jonathan, why is that?
Why was that, I'll say, whenLRH was coining all this and
pinning Dianetics andScientology?
Why was psychosomatic illnesssuch a big focus of this
technology?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, dianetics handles the body, Scientology
addresses the thetan, and thenyou have the cross between the
two where at some point you havethe composite case that first
comes up on milestone one.
The milestone one lectures, asthey're dubbed now, currently,
(03:30):
uh, which is the first forayinto the composite case, and you
have a cacophony, if you will,or copying, going on from the
composite case over into thebody that you are the thetan in
charge of.
(03:51):
And so when you go, I have apain in my zorch which is a
made-up term for a made-up bodypart so that it doesn't
stimulate anybody coined bylrhRH.
You have a pain in your zorge.
Well, guess what, if you'restanding in a mock auditorium as
the thetan in charge and youare there in front of Wembley
(04:14):
Stadium with 500,000 other partsof the composite case, they all
say what did he say?
Oh, we'll put our attention onthat.
And so you have this doublingdown, or 500,000 doubling down
(04:35):
on what's going on with the body, and so you have this agreement
, and that causes a tremendousamount of problems for the being
who resides.
Somewhat, as LRH says, the bodyis a sliver in the thetan, the
thetan isn't a sliver in thebody.
You have a lot of things thatcan go on when things get
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re-stimulated.
So re-stimulation is theprimary factor for body problems
and the key in all of this isare you well rested, are you
well fed, are you well slept,are you well mineral and vitamin
(05:19):
fulfilled?
Because all of these things canpull in mass, mental mass, on
the body and anything thatcauses an issue in the body.
Like LRH says and this isfundamental to this podcast he
says the definition of a sillyoptimist is someone who thinks
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that they're going to feelperfectly fine every day in a
meat body.
That's a silly optimist Hiswords, not mine.
So you have to take that intoconsideration because the body
is a carbon oxygen engine thatrequires food, sleep, water,
(06:04):
temperature, food, sleep, uh,water, temperature, pressure and
appropriate pressure.
The body is a very, verysensitive 50 but 52 54 sensor
array and it can only residewithin a certain temperature
band of about 20 25 degrees,depending on your size of body,
uh, depending on the amount ofoxygen in the air, depending on
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where you're at as far as yourelevation.
The higher the elevation, thethinner the air.
If you live in LA and you're onthe third floor of a building,
well, you might not be able tobreathe as well because of all
of the contamination in the air.
These are all factors thatre-stimulate a body.
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But food, drink, sleep, waterare primary factors there.
Because when you don't havethose things in, lrh calls these
out-body rudiments, and thesebody rudiments are key for you
to be able to be sessionable,and these body rudiments are key
(07:06):
for you to be able to besessionable.
To you know, to the degree thatyou're sessionable is to the
degree that you're able tofunction on any given day
properly.
That means going to work,spending time with your family,
your boo, as Quentin said,whatever, because what happens
is is that when you're notwell-fed, slept, rested,
(07:27):
vitaminized, mineralized, thebody tends to get re-stimulated.
And then the mass comes in.
And on an e-meter, just as anexample though you don't walk
around your everyday world on ane-meter you'll see that the
tone arm rises.
And the tone arm is an index ofthe amount of resistance, the
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amount of mass that's presentthere, on the case, in this
electrical energy field that ispart of and surrounds the body.
And this mass comes in becauseof, well, the body's not feeling
great and and that restimulatesthe composite case and you put
your attention on your Zorge.
And then the next thing yourtone arm is four or five, which
(08:11):
is really really high, andshould be between two and three.
So you have to make sure thatthe body is well-fed,
well-rested, doesn't get toomuch radiation, all that stuff.
So it's very, very important.
And then that that also comesinto what's re-stimulated might
need assists, which is somethingelse we're going to talk about
in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So sorry to steal it away from you, but that's sort
of the big picture of the wholething, yeah, and I think that
that that really does kind ofopen up the door for a lot, of,
a lot of ways that we look at itas independent Scientologists.
Because for me, and this is howI kind of understood it when
LRH was even breaking down anddiscovering more and more about
(08:55):
Dianetics, it was because ofbody conditions, psychosomatic
illnesses, things that wereprecipitated, and that these
pains, things that wereprecipitated, and that these
pains and stuff that werelingering, right and like, why
does this keep lingering?
Why do these pains keep turningon?
Why does this stuff keephappening to me, in that I keep
(09:20):
feeling this stuff that it couldhave been a pain that happened
years ago, right Decades ago,and yet it still affects a
person, right.
And so when we know how to go in, how to spot, even with the
somatic somatic being what thebody right body right, right,
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even with the somatic, the painthat's going to turn on, we, we
can spot exactly what causedthat, really clear it out and
deal with it.
And in scientology we call itas is it right exact time, place
, form and event to, as issomething.
It makes it vanish, and one canget relief right.
One can get relief from thesepains, pains and psychosomatic
(10:08):
illnesses and somatics just bydoing what is available to us as
independent Scientologists.
And so I think this is such animportant conversation, because
how many of us are walkingaround life with pains and
zorches wherever, wherever,wherever zorches be zorching,
and so, and so we walk aroundand we're dealing with this
(10:33):
stuff.
You know, I've been, I've beenworking out um more recently and
I be feeling it and I'm likesomething.
I don't like the way it, Idon't like the way it feels.
But you know, these things keepturning on and I want to deal
with it because it is somethingthat when you are in pain, it
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can be debilitating, and any ofyou who are listening to this
know when you're in pain it canstop you.
I don't care what you'retalking about.
What you're dealing with, okay,what you're trying to do.
You're in the middle of tryingto get it on with your boo.
We talked about it a minute agoand then that pain in that leg
kick you.
That pain, that pain, that legkick you that you can't even.
(11:15):
Man, we're gonna have to stopyeah, and it's.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's important to note, and and this is a
distinction that that should bemade to our listeners, both new
and old alike, is that anypsychosomatic illness that is
turning on in the body is adirect result of some engram,
secondary or lock that is keyedin at that moment.
(11:41):
Now, to define a key in and akey out in a dianetic sense, in
a Scientology sense, somethingthat is keyed in means that a
mass is present and isrestimulated and there's charge
going on there, apparently, andwhen I say apparently, I mean in
present time.
That is the apparency, thoughthere really is no time and
(12:04):
space or distance.
Therefore, it is there becausethe thetan, the composite case,
both are putting it there andwhat the body does.
When you're mocking up thismass in that body location, the
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body says, hey, something's notright.
The body is a hindrance, butit's also a fantastic organic
machine and it has this way ofsaying, hey, something's not
right.
That hey, something's not rightis what we call pain.
There's a ridge there, there'ssomething going on, there's a
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mass that's being created andthe body is saying this isn't
right, this shouldn't be here, Ishould be running normally
Because, if you think about it,if there wasn't any pain, you
wouldn't live very long in ameat body, because the pain is
danger, Will Robinson, danger.
You need to do something aboutthis.
You have a thorn in your finger.
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If you didn't have that pain,it could get a lot worse and you
wouldn't know about it.
So the body says right,infections and all this stuff.
So the body's saying, hey, youneed to attend to this right now
.
You put your attention on it,the composite case goes hey, you
need to attend to this rightnow.
You put your attention on it,the composite case goes oh my
God.
And then all of a sudden it's10 times worse.
(13:31):
I'll give you an extremeexample of this.
As far as on a newer Dyneticsfor OTs, you can handle the
composite case on OT5 throughOT7, new OT7, new, on all that
new 4, new 5, and 7.
6 is a course to audit 7, so wewon't include that.
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You can handle all of thatadverse attention that's being
put there from the OT case andyou can have a severe body
problem with no pain.
Have a severe body problem withno pain, because isn't that
(14:13):
isn't?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
that interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, and this is something severe body problem
with no pain.
Okay, you can have a severebody problem with no pain
because the, the pain is beingcaused by the case, the, the OT
case, almost exclusively, almostexclusively, which means that
and Thayton gets what they puttheir attention on.
That applies to the body aswell.
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Without the OT case being there, you don't have this
amplification of what the bodyis doing.
The body.
It's not nearly as bad at allby over 90%, 95%.
It's not nearly as bad when theOT case is handled, but it all
comes down to out-body rudimentsand so you can key these things
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out.
A key out is where the mass goesout.
It's gone away from your space.
That's what the grades do inScientology and in Scientology
auditing.
Because you're making the massgo out, you're not erasing it,
you're making the mass go outaway from the body so that the
body is like oh, that thorn, itisn't in my hand.
(15:23):
Right now.
I feel so much better, whetherit's a problem, an ARC break,
help over its withholds,whatever, any one of those
things.
Those are key outs.
Now a key in when your bodyhurts okay, when you're tired,
you're hungry, you're sleepy,you're malnourished,
malvitaminized, mineralized,your body gets keyed in, okay.
(15:55):
So what you're trying to do isyou're trying, if you get the
body with this body, rudimentsand you're at least at zero,
whereas if you're not, the bodyneeds sleep, it needs food, it
needs water, whatever, and drugsdo the same thing.
When you take drugs, they keyyou out.
That's why and this is aninteresting point to the OT case
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is that what you're doing isyou're keying these masses out
where the attention has been putonto it by you, in the
composite case, and that's whypeople take drugs and they wow,
this drug makes me feel better.
That's because the mass keyedout, okay.
When it keys back in and harder, the mass comes back in, more
mass comes back in.
That's been re-stimulated bythe drugs.
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So that's a key in a key out.
And erasure in Dianetics iswell.
You handled the engram, theincident of pain or
unconsciousness or the loss or areminder of a loss, or a pain
and unconsciousness.
It's gone.
Now what you're doing with acyst, which we mentioned earlier
(16:59):
in the podcast?
Whatever's going on with thebody, there's an out
communication.
Whatever's going on with thebody, there's an out
communication.
So what you're doing with anassist is you're keying the body
out by doing the, for example,the touch assist Feel my finger,
thank you, right.
And then you go to the oppositeside of the body Feel my finger
, thank you.
And this can go on for 20minutes, half an hour, an hour,
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two hours.
But what you're doing is you'regetting the Thetan back in
communication with the bodybecause of these ridges, these
opposing forces that are causingenergy flows to get stopped,
and that's where pain persists.
It's gone out of the body partor location has gone out of
communication, and so energypower builds up there and so the
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body is saying ouch, and sogetting it back in, calm, keys
that area out to where now theperson feels better about
whatever is going on.
And it takes as long as ittakes, but I mean the potential
of a touch assist on its own isnothing short of miraculous.
Go go exterior, leave the body.
(18:06):
You know all kinds of stuffyeah, and we've done a podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
we've done a podcast on the power of the healing
assist in independentscientology.
Um and I I spoke about storieswhere, just like real life
stories where open wounds closedup right before my eyes, just
doing a touch assist, how painsturned off, back, backs reshaped
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my best friend has scoliosisand just doing the nervous
assist on my best friend withscoliosis brought considerable
relief.
So all of these things aredefinitely real remedies.
Healing assists are definitelyreal remedies that can help a
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person to experienceconsiderable relief, if not
total erasure of a pain thatcould be going on.
But ultimately and I think whatJonathan was talking about
earlier is that when you'regetting auditing, okay, and
whether it be book one,dianetics Auditing and any of
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you guys who have notexperienced Dianetics Auditing
for me it was a game changer fora lot of psychosomatic things
that was happening with me,which we'll go into in a few.
But if you haven't gottenDianetics auditing, definitely
get that and we can help youwith that.
But if you're gettingScientology auditing and you're
sitting down and you're on thecans and the and spotting things
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that you would not think haveto do with these pains and you
could just be sitting there andnot even doing anything with
your leg or your zorch Sorry,link with your zorch and all of
(20:05):
a sudden your zorch startszorching and it's like a somatic
turns on and it's like why isthat associated with something
over here?
And you, you just don't know.
You just don't know.
And and the reason why auditingworks is because you, as a
being, your natural state isfreedom from these conditions.
Right, your natural state as abeing is vitality and creativity
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and power and the ability to be, do and have that which you
desire, and so anything that'sholding you back and the reason
why we call this, you know whyyour body, these body conditions
that are holding you back, isbecause you really want to be
free.
Right, you really want as abeing, as a thetan, you really
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want to be free and you want tonot be limited to these body
conditions.
I think one of the things thatmakes independent Scientology so
, so miraculous, if you will, isthat in the modern era, era
(21:09):
E-R-A, in modern era, we have atechnology that allows a person
to be free.
I think LRH says the body doesnot live without the spirit, and
so if you're in a positionwhere you can experience life
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that's not limited by the body.
Okay, you can experiencelivingness that is not limited
by the body's doingnesses,whatever the body doing.
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Wouldn't it be wonderful tolive an experienced life
exterior?
I'm trying to, I'm trying notto say too much, but would it be
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nice to live an experiencedlife exterior to just the body
now I I want to involve arie inthis a little bit to a degree
that he of sensors and it has asits means to do that,
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communication and everything.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Everything has to do with communication as a two-way
flow.
As a two-way flow and in Arthurdoing his Pro TR's clay table
and the chapter on communicationin Dianetics 55, arthur, did
you have any realizations aboutcommunication in the body and
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how these things work for youwhile you were doing those clay
demos?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That's a big question , but yes, because that's a lot
of questions all rolled into one.
Ultimately, I think the thingafter doing the clay demos,
after completing it, there was asense of relief because it took
a lot of effort and, what'sinteresting, since stopping
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doing the clay demos around thatparticular assignment, because
I had to demonstrate all aspectsof the communication cycle.
But that was also includingcommunication with your
environment, not just verbalcommunication like we're doing
now.
You know you've got to haveyour Theta in, you've got to
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have ARC in, you've got to beable to be present where you are
and who you're with, regardlessof your environment.
And that's tricky to do.
But then when you break it downin such a way through clay
demonstrations, it brings morelogic into it.
And so well, it brings moremass into it.
Sorry, I'll more mass into it,sorry, I'll take that back.
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Not so much logic, but you getto see it now.
The tricky part is now your bodyhas to work with these changes
and and it's like it's nodifferent to working on muscle.
You know, it takes time forthat muscle to grow.
It takes time for that muscleto heal.
It takes time for that muscleto grow.
It takes time for that muscleto heal.
It takes time for that muscleto get used to its new
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environment, especially ifyou're doing, say, weight
training or just any kind of newexercise, really.
And so it's a similar effectwhere, now that I've completed
that, I've had somatics turn on.
You know I'm a bit fluey at themoment.
I feel weaker in my body tosome degree.
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There's a lot of things thathave turned on, that are coming
out of my body, because somesomatics as well aren't just
physical pains, it's also thingscoming out of you, especially
if you've discovered you've, uh,discovered what the somatic is.
In a sense, you know it stillrequires its healing, the time
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to heal, and it might come outthrough the lungs, through the
mouth, through your nose,through your bum, through sleep,
through many different ways.
Um, sometimes you might evenmay not even get a, an effect.
It's just, it's just done, um,and I think, in my case, moving
forward after doing that,because now we're doing the trs
(25:39):
as well and putting that intopractice as well and that's
bringing a whole different kindof mass into the theory.
You know what I mean, right andso now we're actually doing the
work right and and it's.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's interesting to see that there are side effects
from just doing trs and that'swhy lrh says that you know the
you can't do any other auditingwhile you're doing the TRs the
communication drill because itis a form.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I can say why.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, it's a form of auditing itself and it can be
very restimulative.
There's a couple of times whenI've been watching you guys do
the TRs and stuff like that, Icould see that you were like you
said you were feeling fluey andeverything.
And yesterday you were saying,well, like you said, you were
feeling fluey and everything,and yesterday you were saying
you know, maybe we shouldn't doTRS today.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I said we should do TRS.
I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just said that in person.
I just threw him under the bus.
Thank you very much, becauseyou know whatever.
It's real, whatever turned it onwill turn it off, and this is
something that we're dealingwith, where you're doing a
communication drill with a bodyto another body, a phaeton and
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phaeton's connected to thosebodies, and then the body shows
these, these, uh, symptomaticsides of these things that we're
sussing out in communication,and while you guys are doing the
drill, you you're saying well,I, like quentin was saying you
know, I talk with my head and myshoulders.
(27:24):
And and, uh, your, your partnerwas saying you know, why do you
?
What was it he said?
Why do you always talk withyour head and your shoulders?
Why do you move around so much?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I like this.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
When I do videos, I use my hand, I'm very expressive
and stuff.
Anybody, anybody who knows meknows and that was like a thing
Like why?
Why just sit there andcommunicate?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
This is from a which is harder to do than people
think it is.
It's a lot harder to do.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah Well, and I think I think Jonathan is spot
on when he says, like this is a,this is a real thing in that
now.
Now we're just talking aboutright now for those of you who
are listening we're just talkingabout using communication, trs,
right, which is basically TRstands for training routines.
I don't know if we said thatalready, but TR stands for
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training routines how to get aperson to communicate
effectively, right, and justsitting there, communicating
with another being in a certainway can turn on somatics in the
body in a certain way can turnon somatics in the body.
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Now, think about this in everyother area of your life.
Think about it in school, goingto school, and oh, I don't feel
like going to school today, I'mnot feeling well, and you try
to get out of school and youturn on a service facsimile or
something like that.
Think about it in life andgoing to work and trying to be
productive, and you're feeling alittle bit defeated, didn't get
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enough rest because you'reburning the midnight oil and now
you're under the weather for aweek and a half and you get
taken out because somethingturns on.
This affects everything and Iwant you to understand why this
is so important and why Ibelieve LRH started with looking
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at the body using the mind,what the mind is doing to the
body with its genetics, and whypsychosomatic illness is talked
about so much throughoutindependent Scientology because
people are always dealing withit and don't even know it half
the time.
They just think it's normal.
I'm sitting here looking at thislecture.
It's from the St Hill SpecialBriefing Course on a campaign to
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handle psychosomatic ills.
That's the name of the lectureCampaign to handle psychosomatic
ills.
It comes from July 28,.
The name of the lectureCampaign to Handle Psychosomatic
Illness.
It comes from July 28th, 1964.
And he says here he said nowhe's talking about doctors,
talking about medical doctors.
He said now, his route then isa physical address to the
situation from the beginning tothe end.
(30:04):
So when you speak of illness,how does this register to a
medical doctor to whom you arespeaking?
You say illness and you sayhealing.
You say these two words and themedical doctor at once,
instantly and at once,translates it into physical
address.
That's his basis ofunderstanding.
(30:27):
Well, let's give the bloke somecredit for this.
Most of them those certainlythat have had experience are not
trying to hold the public frontand trying to shake down the
government for the whole bunchof shekels just to waste time.
They know they are up againstit when it hits the word
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psychosomatic.
Now, psychosomatic is the mostabused, misunderstood, turned
upside down term that anybodyever aired to have anything to
do with.
Psychosomatic means what?
The psyche, the psycheexperiencing, or in pain, the
psyche suffering.
(31:10):
I think this is so good becauseLRH talks about when you see
these psychosomatic ills turn onin your body.
It really is the psychesuffering.
The body is just a result, thebody is just a symptom.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's right.
This is interesting Symptomaticside, that's right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yes, but when you're talking to your medical doctors
and you know, give credit tothat bloke but when you're
talking about the medicaldoctors, his or her physical
address is the only experience.
They have to address it.
So they'll give you medications, they'll give you a surgery,
they'll give you a stint,they'll put something up in
(31:48):
there to lock it in or whatever,whatever.
But if it's something thatkeeps turning on, we don't know
where it's coming.
They call it asymptomatic orthey call it what's it called?
Autogenetic, autogeneticdisease, right?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Don't laugh at that and that comes back to and this
is the larger arc of thispodcast is we were talking about
Artie and what he'sexperiencing on his Pro TRS
course.
As an example, artie said to meyou know, I think I've got the
(32:26):
flu, I'm feeling flu-y and Iimmediately thought, okay,
what's he doing?
Okay, he's doing TRs, all right, that's where this is coming
from, because he's outside ofAustralia, I believe that Just
saying.
And that's why I'm talking aboutthis to you, so that the
(32:50):
listeners get this, and tovalidate what Quentin says is
that, okay, this thing is goingon while it's your zorch.
This is what's happening.
And if we got the bodyrudiments in and Arthur's
getting enough sleep and he'swell fed and he's well rested
and he's in a decent environment, which which he's been
(33:13):
wrestling with in Malaysia totry and find someplace that was
a little bit more naturistic asopposed to concrete jungle, and
you know that that may, may havea factor in it.
But I mean, if you've got thosebody rudiments in and then
you're doing something else,whether it's you're on course
(33:33):
and you're on pro-TRs and you'redoing TRs, or you're just going
on in life and you've gotsomething going on the point is
is that if something is going on, the body is the symptomatic
side of the thetan, as Quentinmentioned, the psyche, the I,
the thetan in charge, and youcan't ask for whom the bell
(33:56):
tolls.
The bell tolls for thee,because what's happening is
you're seeing an objectiveresult in the body from
something that is part of thebeing, something that they're
creating, that is is, is in theway.
So if you have something goingon and you're feeling fluey okay
(34:20):
in in arthur's situation it was.
It was almost a a perfectexample of that that he's
running through thesecommunication drills and the
even larger arc, hiscommunication is being gotten in
as to the difficulties thathe's running into in his current
time track in life and we'rerunning these things out.
(34:44):
What turned it on will turn itoff, and the same thing applies
to a PC that you're auditing insession.
Is the way out, is the waythrough.
We're running this process.
Whatever turns on in the middleof this process is because that
process is working and that'sgoing to show up in the body.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Go ahead, arthur and I think also from from my
experience, um, running throughthis as well is there's an
element of reality that'sshowing me where my
communication has been out, andI think people tend to forget as
well, like when you make suchchanges, you still have to live
(35:23):
life and life will show youthose changes.
It's not like you get afeel-good moment and that's it.
As you're going into life,these things start to present
themselves, and because it's not, for me, it's not just the flu.
It was like I had disruptionsfinding somewhere to stay.
I had disruptions, justmistakes that cost me money, and
(35:45):
all that kind of stuff, like alot has occurred pretty much all
at once.
So not only physical, umsomatics, but then also actual
things happening in in my worldas well, um, which is really
interesting, and they're allcommunication based, and so now
it's like okay, how do I makethese things work, knowing what
(36:09):
I know?
And in order to get throughthat stuff as well, you've got
to apply these things as well,because just doing the course
isn't enough, so to speak.
You still have to apply thesethings.
You know, you hear it all thetime If you apply the tech, if
(36:29):
you apply the tech and I thinkit's at this point as well where
a lot of people will blow umwithout, you know, trusting that
if you see it through, it'sgonna I'm gonna get the results
I want.
Like anything, you know, themoment you start a project, um,
quite often if it gets a littletough, it might go back on the
shelf for a while and it alwaysalways be incomplete.
(36:50):
And these processes are thesame.
You still have to see themthrough to get the results, you
know.
So, even though right now I'drather just stay at home and
watch a movie, you know I'm here.
I'm here presenting myself,pushing through.
You know, after we do thepodcast, we're going to be doing
more trs.
You know we're just going tokeep persisting with this until
(37:13):
it's done, because I know onceit's done, my external world
will also change, because nowI've managed to break through
those barriers in my internalworld.
Right and subjective versusobjective, objective being the
physical universe, subjectivebeing in your universe or an
(37:34):
internal or the agreed uponuniverse that you and quentin
are doing these, thesecommunication drills with that's
right, and as much as I'd loveto be victim, so to speak, and
then just blame and then sit onmy hands, it can't happen that
way, but and I don't say that asa joke, because a lot of us do
(37:54):
take that position initially-yeah yeah, that's right, and
that's the danger zone as well,and and starting such, a, such a
process, you've got to see itthrough.
Um, you have to see it through.
And and it's funny becausethere's a little part of me
inside that says that you knowmy physical, somatic saying oh,
forget this.
Yeah, yeah, can I just sleepand eat and do nothing?
(38:18):
Um.
But then the other part of meis like no, you have to do this,
you have to see this through.
If you want things to change inyour world, then you have to
change them.
It's really that simple.
Yeah, the world is not going tochange just because I'm
uncomfortable.
You know like today there was astorm with lightning everywhere
.
You know the the universedidn't say oh, maybe I'm making
(38:43):
them a little uncomfortable,I'll just make it a little more
gentle you know, it said no,here I am.
You know lightning bolts,thunder strikes, winds, weather
um, and I think that's a realitythat we tend to dismiss as well
.
The true nature of things doesnot discriminate on how you're
(39:04):
feeling about something at all.
It really doesn't care um atall.
It really doesn't care um,right.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So anybody happening for wanting to do this, do it,
yeah.
Well, yeah, and they're myreasons.
Right, you can.
You can agree with it.
You can disagree with it andsay, oh well, the weather's
crappy out today.
I've got to drive half a halfan hour to get to quentin to do
these drills.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Uh, we'll put it off till tomorrow and yeah, which
means what the somatic's gonnasit around for longer, right,
and if anything the somaticmight win at that stage, you
know I'll be existing with thatsomatic for a long, long time,
as opposed to doing a little bitof uncomfortable hard work now,
(39:51):
reducing that time by anincredible amount right so if
not permanently yeah, and soyou're disagreeing with the
physical universe.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Go ahead, quentin.
I can see you want to say yeah,and isn't that?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
thank you for that, arthur, because isn't that a
microcosm of the macrocosm thatis independent Scientology, like
a little bit of push through,persistence, fighting your own
demons and fighting your ownstuff in order to get through it
(40:25):
, so that this never has to bean issue ever again?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I think it's so good because because- only that I can
spread my somatic to otherpeople as well, boy oh boy just
saying just saying yeah, youknow, like Malaysia's a
beautiful place right and whileI'm going through this, I'm in a
country, I'm in a differentlocation on this.
(40:50):
On that, you know, I might goback home.
If I'm going through this, I'min a country, I'm in a different
location on this, I'm that youknow.
I might go back home if I don'tresolve this somatic and be
like don't go to malaysia, it'sa, it's a, it's a rubbish
country.
I hated every minute of it, youknow, and I'll spread my
somatic through my words I lovemalaysia, but yeah, but I'm just
saying as an example.
(41:11):
Like as an example, like the waysemantics work.
They don't discriminate,because I don't know what the
somatic actually is at thisstage.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
All I know is.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I'm getting a somatic from a process.
And that somatic could be fromthe womb pre-womb.
It could be anywhere on my timetrack.
It could have been last week.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And because anything equals anything equals anything,
a equals A equals A.
Because of that viewpoint itcould make it so that you think
that this was the problem, whenit's not the problem.
The problem.
I had a PC that would get thesekiller migraines and I talked
(41:54):
about this in the last podcast,but I think it bears repeating.
I had a PC who would get thesekiller migraines and as we were
in session, we were going overand over and over with Dianetics
, we were going over and overand over what was going on with
this person and their headachesand all that stuff like this or
whatever.
And he spotted for himself thatit was the telephone back in his
(42:16):
office.
The telephone is on thereceiver, the landline
telephones, and it was thetelephone because his sister
called him at work.
He picks up the telephone andsays know, this is Mike or
whatever his name was, and shescreams in the phone mama's dead
(42:37):
, mama's dead.
And she screams in the phonethis and it boom.
It hit him like a ton of bricks.
He started getting migrainesand he had been in this job for
many, many years 20, some oddyears and like clockwork he's
sitting at his desk at work andhe would just start getting
(42:59):
these migraines and he wouldlike, oh my god, and he would
have to call in to work and getoff work and do all this stuff
or whatever.
And immediately, once hespotted that lock, immediately
he got relief.
He cracks up laughing, havingright.
He cracks up laughing, having akefal about how stupid it was
(43:22):
that his sister calls him andsays mama's dead and doing all
this stuff, and all because hewas getting these migraines, all
because of this telephone.
And now he's back, he's at hisjob, has no problems, right,
because it was something thatyou think it's.
Oh, I need to drink more water,I need to exercise more, I need
(43:42):
to do this, I need to do that,and that's all wonderful and
well and good.
And of course he was poppingpain pills or whatever for the
headaches.
But, and of course he waspopping, you know, pain pills or
whatever for the headaches.
But I'm saying all this to sayis that what you think it is,
it's probably not OK, and so,and because anything goes,
anything goes or anything, youget into a situation where this
(44:03):
means this, means this meansthis, and it probably is not the
issue at all.
And I think that this is soimportant as independent
Scientologists being able toreally go in and help you spot
what's hurting you, help youspot what's ailing you and where
it really comes from and givingyou assists, giving you
(44:26):
auditing and giving you thingsthat you really need.
And in this case, even TRs aredoing the communication drills
so that you can start to livelife better without all the
stuff impinging upon you as abeing because the body wants to
feel a certain way.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, that's funny how you said that as well,
because that kind of goes backto what I was saying before
about becoming like a victim.
Because that kind of goes backto what I was saying before
about becoming like a victimbecause you'll blame.
Your poor logical mind istrying to make sense of why
you're feeling the way you'refeeling and it just simply
cannot.
I mean, with guidance it can,but when you're trying to work
things out, quite often younever find the actual onion, so
(45:07):
to speak.
And it's like, even from myexperience here like I've had so
many multiple experiences and Icould be take the attitude of
it was because of this person,it was because of that situation
, it was because it was becauseit was because.
But there's only one factormissing in all of those and that
factor is me.
I was in all those situations.
(45:28):
They weren't in the situations.
I was in those situations.
Right, you see what I'm saying?
yeah, there's only one commonfactor, and and that was me
right and and and the.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
the point is is is the body, is the subject or,
excuse me, the objective?
The body is the objectiveobject that you have.
And when you start seeingthings on the body where, okay,
I'm feeling fluish, I'm doingcommunication drills and things
are turning on, you either agreewith it or you disagree with it
(46:05):
.
And you go okay, well, I'mfeeling fluid and you go okay,
well, I'm feeling fluid, why,why?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
are you like I can?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
hear my cat calling me as you're saying this because
if you agree with it and you go, oh well, I'm a victim.
I agree with the fact that I'ma victim.
I agree with the fact that I'mfeeling fluish and I'm doing
communication drugs, okay, thenyou're done for.
(46:37):
Because it's complexity andconfronting, right, what am I
not?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
100%.
If I leave this open, I'veachieved nothing.
Right Like zero.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
That's right.
The way out is the way through,and that's that's.
That's how I was trained atflag when I did the
communications, the protearscourse, the communications
course is you know, the way outis, the way through is is you're
you're directing the person'sattention towards something they
don't want to look at for whatit is, and we have to keep going
(47:10):
.
We have to keep going untilthat is keyed out or it is
erased, to the point to wherenow you have this ability that
you didn't have before, but thebody is showing the symptomatic
side of it.
You're turning on flu, fluishsymptoms.
You know mama is dead, oh myGod.
Grief, shame, blame, blame,regret, apathy all this stuff is
(47:36):
is the symptomatic side that isshowing up in the body, because
your agreement is as such and Ihope this.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
And now you're shaking that cage.
Yeah, I always say it like um,like.
It's almost like anothercharacter that lives inside of
you, and now it's been exposedand so it will do whatever in
its power to prevent you fromremoving it.
It'll lie to you, it'll hurt you, it'll cheat you or to do so
many things like a whole otherpersonality that's existed
(48:08):
completely fine, you know, forso long it's, it's put you into
so many situations.
Now, all of a sudden, you'restarting to reveal it and it's
got its own survival mechanismas well, and its survival
mechanism will be uh, let's makehim sick.
Let's make him sick.
Let's make him sick.
That'll stop him from going.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Let's put some obstacles in his way, that will
stop him from getting thereright, and so that's the thing
is that if you agree with it andyou go, oh well, it's the flu.
Where are you?
Yeah, where are you?
You're, you're?
You're two steps forward andthree steps back, whereas, well,
(48:49):
okay, what was it that I wasdoing?
Oh, okay, I was doing thesecommunication drills and this
stuff turned on.
In other words, where were youlast doing?
Good, okay, well, I've nowstarted to confront something
that I didn't want to confrontand the body said boom smack.
Now there's this.
(49:10):
It's misdirection.
Yeah, don't, don't fall for it.
Right, it's a trick.
It is a trick.
Yeah, don't go into agreementwith it.
That, okay, so you're lookingat this um confirmation bias in
a reverse form.
Oh, I'm sick.
I need to stop.
(49:30):
That's the last thing you needto do.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
You need to push on because, it's interesting um as
well, like just completely alittle off as far as, like,
somatic talk goes, like it'squite a thing in, uh,
spirituality now as well, andwhat I find really interesting
about that is you know thisthrough scientology, um, through
(49:56):
the work of lrh, independentscientology, um, this work has
been observed.
Techniques have been designedto resolve these things, um,
like there's every no stone.
No stone has been unturned inunderstanding somatic behavior
(50:17):
through independent scientology,and there's a lot of modalities
out there that claim to dothese kinds of things as well.
Um, but this technology hasbeen around for a long time.
What a chicken is that, yeah,and because there's so many, so
many people will take a piece ofit right and just not recognize
(50:38):
the depth that Scientologyactually went through to resolve
these conditions in people andstill does, right, you know, and
nothing's changed.
You know, it's the same, it'sthe same, it's the same
technique 70 years, yeah, um,and it's only now that people
are starting to be kept, becomeaware of somatic behaviors, and
(51:01):
even just using the wordsomatics, um is, is actually
becoming a thing when you knowyou go back so long ago.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, it was already there right already there and
well, yeah, it's reallyinteresting a part of what I
wanted to even talk about herewas also like that is any of
this and, jonathan, you might beable to answer this question
too but is any of this thatwe're talking about right now in
the province of faith healing?
(51:30):
Because obviously that conceptof that idea has been around for
eons, right?
or centuries, where it's likeyou know, you know, I believe, I
believe, hallelujah, I believe,and you can now walk, you know,
after having a leg of all yourlife or something or whatever.
Um, it is right.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Right is any of this in the province?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
of faith healing or is it something else?
Is it something that is, uh,trackable, measurable, you know,
readable or whatever, where youcan actually see how a person's
pain, or whatever that somaticturns on, you can see it like,
(52:16):
is that?
Is that?
Is this different than faithhealing?
Speaker 1 (52:21):
well, I mean to be anticlimactic, no, but the
reason why it, why it isn't anydifferent, is because you look
at earth-based religions.
Okay, I'm going to assign causeto somebody else, the big man
(52:43):
in the sky with the gray beardand you're going to say, well,
the Lord works in mysteriousways.
Say, well, the Lord works inmysterious ways.
He will show me what it is thatI need to do Now.
You can disagree or you canagree with it.
That's totally fine, andself-determinism is paramount.
(53:04):
It's the most important thing.
What's true for you is true foryou.
You can say, okay, the Lordmeant this to happen.
And you can agree.
Keyword parentheses, bold,24-point font, underlined and
italicized.
You can agree with that andthat's true for you.
(53:26):
But the thing is is who is thesource of this?
What is the source of this?
At the end of the day, you arethe alpha and you are the omega
(53:47):
oh, come on, come on, you arethe beginning and the end, the
first and the last Right.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And so this is really interesting because LRH says,
in the same lecture I mentionedearlier, he says that you can
even go back here and find thepoint where the fellow made the
postulate to have the illness.
See, you can do all kinds ofwild things on this side of it,
(54:14):
not just on the, and there's nohelp to the medical doctor, like
, like the medical doctor doeswhat the medical doctor does and
nobody's throwing medicaldoctors, you know, to the, to
the crocodiles.
But but when you can you workfrom this side of it, per lrh,
and you can go back and you canactually find the point where
the fellow made the postulateseven have the illness.
(54:36):
Right, there is a truth, andI'm emphasizing that word.
There is a truth that comesalong with helping a person
understand why their bodyconditions are holding them back
.
And I'm speaking from personalexperience, where I go back and
(54:59):
I've gone back and I found whereI said to myself this is what
I'm going to experience, and itshows up later, later, later,
later, over and over and overagain.
And I'd be like damn, Iliterally I kid you not I
literally used to get summerflus or summer colds.
(55:20):
You guys have heard of these.
Right, it was like summer colds, not in the winter, where most
people think you get thesestifles or whatever.
I used to get these summercolds and I used to say to
myself no-transcript.
(55:51):
And so I didn't want to gooutside and play football with
my brothers and them.
And so because I didn't like, Ididn't want to go outside and
play football it's so stupid andso I didn't want to go, I
didn't want to go outside andplay football.
So I decided that I get summercolds and, like clockwork, every
july, every j July, I would getthese damn colds and it would
(56:14):
take me out for about a weekbecause I didn't want to go
outside and play footballsolution to a problem right it's
like kids getting sick beforethey go to school.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Right, have you been sick and you've been.
You thought to yourself, youknow what, it'll be, okay, it'll
be okay.
And then it gets worse.
And then you make anappointment with a doctor and
you rock up to the doctors foryour appointment and all of a
sudden you feel fine.
You feel better now, right.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I swear it was there before Right.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Who made the decision that then manifested itself on
the body, whether it was arty'sfluish feelings because he was
having to look at something thathe needed to confront nothing
to do with me.
It was my external environmentthank you I mean, that typifies
(57:14):
it, that typifies it right thereis this, this resist, resist,
resist that which you resist.
Yeah, you become because ofyour agreement to your own.
And and to go back to, uh, youknow, the alpha and the omega,
everything, everything thathappens to you, you cause, and
I'm sorry that sounds like themost terrible tasting thing
(57:38):
you've ever wanted to hear, butit's true.
And then that shows up on thebody.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yep, my mother almost took herself out just with that
, what you just said.
But this was back in 19,.
I'm sorry, this was back in2007.
My mother calls me.
I'm living in Atlanta, georgia.
My mother calls me and she saysshe had to get rushed to the
emergency room and I was like,wait, what happened?
And she said she started havingpain in her chest and pain in
(58:09):
her arm.
You know the whole thing and,like Art just said, when they
arm, you know the whole thing.
And, like Art just said, whenthey got to the hospital she was
fine and so the doctors checkedher out, wanted to make sure
everything was fine, and theyran whatever CGI's or MRI's or
whatever whatever, and theycouldn't find any blockages,
they couldn't find any issuesand so they just chalked it up
(58:31):
to like a you know, maybe it washeartburn or whatever.
And I'm sitting on the phonewith her and I said, mom, how
old are you now?
Because you know, obviously agemight be a consideration in
that heart stuff I said, mom,how old are you now?
And she said I'm 54.
I said, ok.
I said how old was granddadwhen he died of a heart attack?
(58:52):
She said he was 56.
And I said how old are you?
She said I'm 54.
And I said how old was granddad?
She said 56.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
And then she just cracked up laughing right, right
, because that's that lifecontinuum thing.
You know, that's that life.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Good, now I'm supposed I'm supposed to act
like my dad and that's that'sall there is to it, because you
agreed because you agree that,that, that, that, that, uh, but
people in my family get this,people in my family get that,
they have these issues orwhatever, whatever.
And now she's 70 somethingyears old, doing just fine, no
heart issues, no, nothing, ain'tnothing going on right, and so
(59:40):
it's.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
You got to understand that you can cause these things
, and you cause theminadvertently and it's
interesting as well because,taking that a step further, like
(01:00:03):
how many people actually aresick and then they go get so
many tests, so many, um, youknow, they spend time in
hospitals to have zero resultsshowing some kind of ailment,
nothing, yet they're soconvinced that they're they're
ill.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah like that's such a common thing right, I need, I
need to take this medication tokey this out, so that I don't
have to look at it that I'mactually causing it myself.
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And so now we have an understanding at least of why
and how the body and these bodyconditions are holding you back.
And per art, um, would you sayhow you say art?
Just push through it like justdo it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yeah, like, and and the statement is so true.
Um, actually I two things.
You know, the only way out isthrough Like.
That is such a powerfulstatement and it's much bigger
than even just us discussing itactually is, because to see it
through is not a small task, youknow.
(01:01:26):
It's starting a cycle andactually completing it.
But also, towards the end of myclay demos, in chapter seven,
right at the end, ron Hubbard'sdiscussing the curious question
of more communication or lesscommunication, and this really
stood out for me because hisfinal outcome for his decision
(01:01:48):
was more communication is theonly way.
Outcome for his decision wasmore communication is the only
way.
Now, if you've got ailments andyou're communicating less and
less and less and just acceptingthe ailments, then you're not
communicating, are you?
Whereas if you startcommunicating more with your
ailments, then something's goingto happen.
Your ailment may communicateback, so to speak.
You know, and then you can.
(01:02:09):
You can discover these areas inyour body, but more
communication is the key, whichmeans you know, more
communication in my situationwould include communicate
communicating with you, john,communicating with you, quinton,
communicating with my way here,communicating in time,
(01:02:30):
communicating and being present,um, communicating, doing the
trs.
You know communication, morecommunication, more
communication, the lesscommunication.
The more your ailments, the moreyour ailments then you're only
going to go backwards yeah, andso that statement was really
powerful everything.
(01:02:51):
Yes, you got to communicate theassist as well.
Even if you're doingscientology assists, they
require communication in orderto to do them the touch assist.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
the touch assist restores communication with the
body.
The nerve assist, uh, is aboutcommunication of the nerves, how
the, how the nerves and andenergy flows to the body and
stuff like that.
The contact assist gets youback into communication with the
nerves, how the nerves andenergy flows to the body and
stuff like that.
The contact assist gets youback into communication with the
physical environment and thelocational, which is like a type
of assist as well.
The locational gets the spiritin present time and being able
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to be aware of their environment, observe their environment, to
alleviate mental overwhelm, andso people having panic attacks,
people having anxiety, peoplehaving all this stuff whatever,
you can literally pull yourselfout of these things by working
with communication.
So when you said it, lrhconcluded that more
(01:03:45):
communication is better.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
That's true, it's true and every assist works from
that perspective yeah, you'rejust trying to get the person
back into communication withtheir environment in the
physical universe.
As far as, objectively orsubjectively, that then is not
now, then is not now.
Yeah, you know whether it'slook around here and find
(01:04:09):
something that doesn't remindyou of blank, I say it's for the
loss of a loved one.
Right, and that's the thing.
Is that then is not now Getinto communication with your
environment.
You're here and you're now.
This is what is going on rightnow, on right now.
(01:04:36):
So all of these things tietogether, whether they're
objective processes that aretrying to get you back into
present time, where you're notreviving something that happened
in the past that makes you feelbad, that keys you in, makes
the mass pull in and you feelmuch more solid and massy, or
keys it out so that it's notaffecting you, so that you can
see the trees for the forest andyou can make forward progress.
(01:04:58):
That's the point of thispodcast is take a look at this
and go okay, the way out is theway through.
Whatever turned it on will turnit off.
And so getting auditing andlooking at these things and
disagreeing with past agreementsthat you've made because
whatever it is that you'reexperiencing right now is only
(01:05:21):
because you decided that youneeded to experience that,
whether it was wrong or it wasright or somewhere in between,
auditing will help you look atthat and go okay, I made a wrong
decision and I'm operating offof that.
I'm living the life of ma and pa.
My daddy died at 90.
I'm going to die at 60 or 62 orwhatever.
(01:05:42):
You don't have to do that.
You're the alpha, you're theomega, it's all up to you and
the way out is the way through,but you have to be able to look
at it.
I mean, that's what you'regetting out of this right Artie.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, and it's pretty full on because, as you're
going through it and your worldis happening, you can't help but
think the work you've beendoing definitely attributes to
it.
Um, because it's actuallymaking me realize how
(01:06:19):
communicating more is.
Is the option?
Um, because the a small example, um, I was, I was stuck on on
somewhere to stay and then Ijust got something cheap just to
give me a bit of time, and Idecided and this is how crazy it
is I decided to stay in a roomthat was moldy, it was run down,
(01:06:41):
it was this and that, and I wasokay with it.
For some odd reason, but Iwasn't okay with it.
And then I come over toquinton's and I'm like, oh, I've
got this real shitty place.
And he's like, well, did you dosomething about it?
I'm like no, and it's like nocommunication.
You know, no communication.
All I had to do was communicateto get myself put into a better
(01:07:03):
room, to do this, to be morecomfortable, but instead I chose
uncomfortability over adecision I made.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And we think we're being polite or we think we're
being, you know, just going withthe flow.
We say stuff like that orwhatever, but what we're really
doing is that we're even if, forthat moment, we're kind of
lessening our own power andputting ourself in a position
where the environment gets towin versus I get to create an
(01:07:41):
environment that works for meright and and I think, and I
think that that probably is themost uh, godlike or godly, holy
way of what is it?
Outflow is holier than inflow.
I think that's the holier wayof living, where you get to
express or outflow that whichyou are.
(01:08:05):
And if you're a sane, loving,neat and tidy, healthy
individual and I know you areyou're very healthy, you're a
very healthy guy.
You play pickleball, you'll bedoing, you'll be running around,
walking out in nature and stuff.
I don't do none of that, butit's like you're a very healthy
(01:08:25):
person, and then you go into anenvironment that doesn't reflect
who you are and you say, well,I'll just deal with it.
No, yeah, not on my watch,right?
What did you agree with?
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, a lot of things,yeah man.
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So this is this is where we are and what I love
about this and I love that withfact that we can have this on
this podcast and talk about itand that you guys get to sit
here and talk to us about it,because it's like this is life
and we live in it and we'refiguring it out and we're doing
the stuff that we got to do tomake it go right, and we get to
share these experiences with youto show this is real stuff,
(01:09:06):
like we're as independentScientologists.
We don't live in ivory towers.
You know what I'm saying.
As independent Scientologists,we don't live in ivory towers.
You know what I'm saying.
We are living here in the life,in the trenches, doing things
that everybody has to go through, and yet we're doing it with
the technology and a knowingnessthat can help us through it
every step of the way if weapply it, and that's what I love
(01:09:26):
about this.
Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Right.
It takes persistence to go thedistance.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
That's a.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
T-shirt yeah, yeah, yeah the way out is the way
through, and who are youagreeing with?
If you're agreeing with yourself, what are you agreeing to?
And that's what we'll put as theend cap on the whole podcast
and this shows up in the body.
So make sure you eat right,drink right, sleep right all
(01:09:57):
that stuff and take a look atwhat it is that you're agreeing
to and who are you agreeing with, and you can disagree and
change things if you want, and alot of that has to do with
changing your mind by gettingauditing and getting the
information that you need tohave in order to evaluate
situations with yourself andothers across your eight
(01:10:17):
dynamics or the College ofIndependent Scientology.
And get in touch with us andwe'll get you a theta meter and
interview you and get yourolling on all the things that
you need to do to be do and haveand agree to the things that
(01:10:41):
you want to agree to, as opposedto the things that you are
agreeing to.
So for Quentin, myself andArthur, get in communication
with yourself, get incommunication with us and change
.
And Arthur, Get incommunication with yourself, Get
in communication with us andchange your agreements, Namaste,
and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Hi everybody and welcome back to another
Scientology Outside of theChurch podcast.
It is Friday, September 5thYear of Our Lord, 2025.
I'm here with Quentin andArthur and we are going to do.
This is sort of a second one,but not a second one, entitled
(00:25):
why your Body Is Holding youBack, and we're going to go over
the fate and mind body part,but just the body part, because
the body is the resistor, if youwill, in the equation of the
(00:47):
thetan mind-body.
If your body is havingdifficulties which can be
psychosomatic or caused by athetan and their
mind-slash-reactive mind, thethetan being the analytical mind
.
For those who don't know whatthe analytical mind is, it is
you, the thetan, the spirit, thebeing.
(01:08):
And we're going to get intosome of the topics that the body
holds a person back fromgetting in session, holds them
back from getting on in life andhow to handle those things.
This one was brought up byQuentin, so I'm going to give
him the lead and I'll jump in onthings from a technical aspect,
(01:30):
like we do, and I'm sure Artiewill have some things as well.
Artie likes talking about thebody.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, you know, I think I think this is such an
important conversation becauseobviously, anybody bumping
around here on planet Earth inany effective way of working
with the body and so you know,listening to this, and even as
independent Scientologists, youknow whether you're in session
(01:59):
or out of session, whetheryou're driving down the road,
whether you're dealing with yourfamily, whether you're trying
to make love to your boo,anything that you're kind of
doing you're working with a bodyand what is it that's going on
there that could be holding youback?
What is it that's keeping you inthese stuck flows, in these
(02:21):
pains, psychosomatic thingsthat's turning on, which we're
going to go into in a little bit.
But like, what is it that is somessed up about this body
situation and why is it soimportant that we handle it as
independent Scientologists inorder to go free as a being?
So I think this is reallyimportant and I wanted us to
kind of dive into it, namely, ifwe talk about psychosomatic
(02:47):
illness, jonathan, why is that?
Why was that, I'll say, whenLRH was coining all this and
pinning Dianetics andScientology?
Why was psychosomatic illnesssuch a big focus of this
technology?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, dianetics handles the body, Scientology
addresses the thetan, and thenyou have the cross between the
two where at some point you havethe composite case that first
comes up on milestone one.
The milestone one lectures, asthey're dubbed now, currently,
(03:30):
uh, which is the first forayinto the composite case, and you
have a cacophony, if you will,or copying, going on from the
composite case over into thebody that you are the thetan in
charge of.
(03:51):
And so when you go, I have apain in my zorch which is a
made-up term for a made-up bodypart so that it doesn't
stimulate anybody coined bylrhRH.
You have a pain in your zorge.
Well, guess what, if you'restanding in a mock auditorium as
the thetan in charge and youare there in front of Wembley
(04:14):
Stadium with 500,000 other partsof the composite case, they all
say what did he say?
Oh, we'll put our attention onthat.
And so you have this doublingdown, or 500,000 doubling down
(04:35):
on what's going on with the body, and so you have this agreement
, and that causes a tremendousamount of problems for the being
who resides.
Somewhat, as LRH says, the bodyis a sliver in the thetan, the
thetan isn't a sliver in thebody.
You have a lot of things thatcan go on when things get
(04:56):
re-stimulated.
So re-stimulation is theprimary factor for body problems
and the key in all of this isare you well rested, are you
well fed, are you well slept,are you well mineral and vitamin
(05:19):
fulfilled?
Because all of these things canpull in mass, mental mass, on
the body and anything thatcauses an issue in the body.
Like LRH says and this isfundamental to this podcast he
says the definition of a sillyoptimist is someone who thinks
(05:41):
that they're going to feelperfectly fine every day in a
meat body.
That's a silly optimist Hiswords, not mine.
So you have to take that intoconsideration because the body
is a carbon oxygen engine thatrequires food, sleep, water,
(06:04):
temperature, food, sleep, uh,water, temperature, pressure and
appropriate pressure.
The body is a very, verysensitive 50 but 52 54 sensor
array and it can only residewithin a certain temperature
band of about 20 25 degrees,depending on your size of body,
uh, depending on the amount ofoxygen in the air, depending on
(06:25):
where you're at as far as yourelevation.
The higher the elevation, thethinner the air.
If you live in LA and you're onthe third floor of a building,
well, you might not be able tobreathe as well because of all
of the contamination in the air.
These are all factors thatre-stimulate a body.
(06:45):
But food, drink, sleep, waterare primary factors there.
Because when you don't havethose things in, lrh calls these
out-body rudiments, and thesebody rudiments are key for you
to be able to be sessionable,and these body rudiments are key
(07:06):
for you to be able to besessionable.
To you know, to the degree thatyou're sessionable is to the
degree that you're able tofunction on any given day
properly.
That means going to work,spending time with your family,
your boo, as Quentin said,whatever, because what happens
is is that when you're notwell-fed, slept, rested,
(07:27):
vitaminized, mineralized, thebody tends to get re-stimulated.
And then the mass comes in.
And on an e-meter, just as anexample though you don't walk
around your everyday world on ane-meter you'll see that the
tone arm rises.
And the tone arm is an index ofthe amount of resistance, the
(07:49):
amount of mass that's presentthere, on the case, in this
electrical energy field that ispart of and surrounds the body.
And this mass comes in becauseof, well, the body's not feeling
great and and that restimulatesthe composite case and you put
your attention on your Zorge.
And then the next thing yourtone arm is four or five, which
(08:11):
is really really high, andshould be between two and three.
So you have to make sure thatthe body is well-fed,
well-rested, doesn't get toomuch radiation, all that stuff.
So it's very, very important.
And then that that also comesinto what's re-stimulated might
need assists, which is somethingelse we're going to talk about
in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So sorry to steal it away from you, but that's sort
of the big picture of the wholething, yeah, and I think that
that that really does kind ofopen up the door for a lot, of,
a lot of ways that we look at itas independent Scientologists.
Because for me, and this is howI kind of understood it when
LRH was even breaking down anddiscovering more and more about
(08:55):
Dianetics, it was because ofbody conditions, psychosomatic
illnesses, things that wereprecipitated, and that these
pains, things that wereprecipitated, and that these
pains and stuff that werelingering, right and like, why
does this keep lingering?
Why do these pains keep turningon?
Why does this stuff keephappening to me, in that I keep
(09:20):
feeling this stuff that it couldhave been a pain that happened
years ago, right Decades ago,and yet it still affects a
person, right.
And so when we know how to go in, how to spot, even with the
somatic somatic being what thebody right body right, right,
(09:47):
even with the somatic, the painthat's going to turn on, we, we
can spot exactly what causedthat, really clear it out and
deal with it.
And in scientology we call itas is it right exact time, place
, form and event to, as issomething.
It makes it vanish, and one canget relief right.
One can get relief from thesepains, pains and psychosomatic
(10:08):
illnesses and somatics just bydoing what is available to us as
independent Scientologists.
And so I think this is such animportant conversation, because
how many of us are walkingaround life with pains and
zorches wherever, wherever,wherever zorches be zorching,
and so, and so we walk aroundand we're dealing with this
(10:33):
stuff.
You know, I've been, I've beenworking out um more recently and
I be feeling it and I'm likesomething.
I don't like the way it, Idon't like the way it feels.
But you know, these things keepturning on and I want to deal
with it because it is somethingthat when you are in pain, it
(10:55):
can be debilitating, and any ofyou who are listening to this
know when you're in pain it canstop you.
I don't care what you'retalking about.
What you're dealing with, okay,what you're trying to do.
You're in the middle of tryingto get it on with your boo.
We talked about it a minute agoand then that pain in that leg
kick you.
That pain, that pain, that legkick you that you can't even.
(11:15):
Man, we're gonna have to stopyeah, and it's.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's important to note, and and this is a
distinction that that should bemade to our listeners, both new
and old alike, is that anypsychosomatic illness that is
turning on in the body is adirect result of some engram,
secondary or lock that is keyedin at that moment.
(11:41):
Now, to define a key in and akey out in a dianetic sense, in
a Scientology sense, somethingthat is keyed in means that a
mass is present and isrestimulated and there's charge
going on there, apparently, andwhen I say apparently, I mean in
present time.
That is the apparency, thoughthere really is no time and
(12:04):
space or distance.
Therefore, it is there becausethe thetan, the composite case,
both are putting it there andwhat the body does.
When you're mocking up thismass in that body location, the
(12:25):
body says, hey, something's notright.
The body is a hindrance, butit's also a fantastic organic
machine and it has this way ofsaying, hey, something's not
right.
That hey, something's not rightis what we call pain.
There's a ridge there, there'ssomething going on, there's a
(12:50):
mass that's being created andthe body is saying this isn't
right, this shouldn't be here, Ishould be running normally
Because, if you think about it,if there wasn't any pain, you
wouldn't live very long in ameat body, because the pain is
danger, Will Robinson, danger.
You need to do something aboutthis.
You have a thorn in your finger.
(13:10):
If you didn't have that pain,it could get a lot worse and you
wouldn't know about it.
So the body says right,infections and all this stuff.
So the body's saying, hey, youneed to attend to this right now
.
You put your attention on it,the composite case goes hey, you
need to attend to this rightnow.
You put your attention on it,the composite case goes oh my
God.
And then all of a sudden it's10 times worse.
(13:31):
I'll give you an extremeexample of this.
As far as on a newer Dyneticsfor OTs, you can handle the
composite case on OT5 throughOT7, new OT7, new, on all that
new 4, new 5, and 7.
6 is a course to audit 7, so wewon't include that.
(13:51):
You can handle all of thatadverse attention that's being
put there from the OT case andyou can have a severe body
problem with no pain.
Have a severe body problem withno pain, because isn't that
(14:13):
isn't?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
that interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, and this is something severe body problem
with no pain.
Okay, you can have a severebody problem with no pain
because the, the pain is beingcaused by the case, the, the OT
case, almost exclusively, almostexclusively, which means that
and Thayton gets what they puttheir attention on.
That applies to the body aswell.
(14:37):
Without the OT case being there, you don't have this
amplification of what the bodyis doing.
The body.
It's not nearly as bad at allby over 90%, 95%.
It's not nearly as bad when theOT case is handled, but it all
comes down to out-body rudimentsand so you can key these things
(15:02):
out.
A key out is where the mass goesout.
It's gone away from your space.
That's what the grades do inScientology and in Scientology
auditing.
Because you're making the massgo out, you're not erasing it,
you're making the mass go outaway from the body so that the
body is like oh, that thorn, itisn't in my hand.
(15:23):
Right now.
I feel so much better, whetherit's a problem, an ARC break,
help over its withholds,whatever, any one of those
things.
Those are key outs.
Now a key in when your bodyhurts okay, when you're tired,
you're hungry, you're sleepy,you're malnourished,
malvitaminized, mineralized,your body gets keyed in, okay.
(15:55):
So what you're trying to do isyou're trying, if you get the
body with this body, rudimentsand you're at least at zero,
whereas if you're not, the bodyneeds sleep, it needs food, it
needs water, whatever, and drugsdo the same thing.
When you take drugs, they keyyou out.
That's why and this is aninteresting point to the OT case
(16:18):
is that what you're doing isyou're keying these masses out
where the attention has been putonto it by you, in the
composite case, and that's whypeople take drugs and they wow,
this drug makes me feel better.
That's because the mass keyedout, okay.
When it keys back in and harder, the mass comes back in, more
mass comes back in.
That's been re-stimulated bythe drugs.
(16:38):
So that's a key in a key out.
And erasure in Dianetics iswell.
You handled the engram, theincident of pain or
unconsciousness or the loss or areminder of a loss, or a pain
and unconsciousness.
It's gone.
Now what you're doing with acyst, which we mentioned earlier
(16:59):
in the podcast?
Whatever's going on with thebody, there's an out
communication.
Whatever's going on with thebody, there's an out
communication.
So what you're doing with anassist is you're keying the body
out by doing the, for example,the touch assist Feel my finger,
thank you, right.
And then you go to the oppositeside of the body Feel my finger
, thank you.
And this can go on for 20minutes, half an hour, an hour,
(17:20):
two hours.
But what you're doing is you'regetting the Thetan back in
communication with the bodybecause of these ridges, these
opposing forces that are causingenergy flows to get stopped,
and that's where pain persists.
It's gone out of the body partor location has gone out of
communication, and so energypower builds up there and so the
(17:45):
body is saying ouch, and sogetting it back in, calm, keys
that area out to where now theperson feels better about
whatever is going on.
And it takes as long as ittakes, but I mean the potential
of a touch assist on its own isnothing short of miraculous.
Go go exterior, leave the body.
(18:06):
You know all kinds of stuffyeah, and we've done a podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
we've done a podcast on the power of the healing
assist in independentscientology.
Um and I I spoke about storieswhere, just like real life
stories where open wounds closedup right before my eyes, just
doing a touch assist, how painsturned off, back, backs reshaped
(18:34):
my best friend has scoliosisand just doing the nervous
assist on my best friend withscoliosis brought considerable
relief.
So all of these things aredefinitely real remedies.
Healing assists are definitelyreal remedies that can help a
(18:55):
person to experienceconsiderable relief, if not
total erasure of a pain thatcould be going on.
But ultimately and I think whatJonathan was talking about
earlier is that when you'regetting auditing, okay, and
whether it be book one,dianetics Auditing and any of
(19:18):
you guys who have notexperienced Dianetics Auditing
for me it was a game changer fora lot of psychosomatic things
that was happening with me,which we'll go into in a few.
But if you haven't gottenDianetics auditing, definitely
get that and we can help youwith that.
But if you're gettingScientology auditing and you're
sitting down and you're on thecans and the and spotting things
(19:43):
that you would not think haveto do with these pains and you
could just be sitting there andnot even doing anything with
your leg or your zorch Sorry,link with your zorch and all of
(20:05):
a sudden your zorch startszorching and it's like a somatic
turns on and it's like why isthat associated with something
over here?
And you, you just don't know.
You just don't know.
And and the reason why auditingworks is because you, as a
being, your natural state isfreedom from these conditions.
Right, your natural state as abeing is vitality and creativity
(20:29):
and power and the ability to be, do and have that which you
desire, and so anything that'sholding you back and the reason
why we call this, you know whyyour body, these body conditions
that are holding you back, isbecause you really want to be
free.
Right, you really want as abeing, as a thetan, you really
(20:49):
want to be free and you want tonot be limited to these body
conditions.
I think one of the things thatmakes independent Scientology so
, so miraculous, if you will, isthat in the modern era, era
(21:09):
E-R-A, in modern era, we have atechnology that allows a person
to be free.
I think LRH says the body doesnot live without the spirit, and
so if you're in a positionwhere you can experience life
(21:30):
that's not limited by the body.
Okay, you can experiencelivingness that is not limited
by the body's doingnesses,whatever the body doing.
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Wouldn't it be wonderful tolive an experienced life
exterior?
I'm trying to, I'm trying notto say too much, but would it be
(21:53):
nice to live an experiencedlife exterior to just the body
now I I want to involve arie inthis a little bit to a degree
that he of sensors and it has asits means to do that,
(22:32):
communication and everything.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Everything has to do with communication as a two-way
flow.
As a two-way flow and in Arthurdoing his Pro TR's clay table
and the chapter on communicationin Dianetics 55, arthur, did
you have any realizations aboutcommunication in the body and
(23:00):
how these things work for youwhile you were doing those clay
demos?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That's a big question , but yes, because that's a lot
of questions all rolled into one.
Ultimately, I think the thingafter doing the clay demos,
after completing it, there was asense of relief because it took
a lot of effort and, what'sinteresting, since stopping
(23:30):
doing the clay demos around thatparticular assignment, because
I had to demonstrate all aspectsof the communication cycle.
But that was also includingcommunication with your
environment, not just verbalcommunication like we're doing
now.
You know you've got to haveyour Theta in, you've got to
(23:50):
have ARC in, you've got to beable to be present where you are
and who you're with, regardlessof your environment.
And that's tricky to do.
But then when you break it downin such a way through clay
demonstrations, it brings morelogic into it.
And so well, it brings moremass into it.
Sorry, I'll more mass into it,sorry, I'll take that back.
(24:12):
Not so much logic, but you getto see it now.
The tricky part is now your bodyhas to work with these changes
and and it's like it's nodifferent to working on muscle.
You know, it takes time forthat muscle to grow.
It takes time for that muscleto heal.
It takes time for that muscleto grow.
It takes time for that muscleto heal.
It takes time for that muscleto get used to its new
(24:33):
environment, especially ifyou're doing, say, weight
training or just any kind of newexercise, really.
And so it's a similar effectwhere, now that I've completed
that, I've had somatics turn on.
You know I'm a bit fluey at themoment.
I feel weaker in my body tosome degree.
(24:56):
There's a lot of things thathave turned on, that are coming
out of my body, because somesomatics as well aren't just
physical pains, it's also thingscoming out of you, especially
if you've discovered you've, uh,discovered what the somatic is.
In a sense, you know it stillrequires its healing, the time
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to heal, and it might come outthrough the lungs, through the
mouth, through your nose,through your bum, through sleep,
through many different ways.
Um, sometimes you might evenmay not even get a, an effect.
It's just, it's just done, um,and I think, in my case, moving
forward after doing that,because now we're doing the trs
(25:39):
as well and putting that intopractice as well and that's
bringing a whole different kindof mass into the theory.
You know what I mean, right andso now we're actually doing the
work right and and it's.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's interesting to see that there are side effects
from just doing trs and that'swhy lrh says that you know the
you can't do any other auditingwhile you're doing the TRs the
communication drill because itis a form.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I can say why.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, it's a form of auditing itself and it can be
very restimulative.
There's a couple of times whenI've been watching you guys do
the TRs and stuff like that, Icould see that you were like you
said you were feeling fluey andeverything.
And yesterday you were saying,well, like you said, you were
feeling fluey and everything,and yesterday you were saying
you know, maybe we shouldn't doTRS today.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I said we should do TRS.
I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just said that in person.
I just threw him under the bus.
Thank you very much, becauseyou know whatever.
It's real, whatever turned it onwill turn it off, and this is
something that we're dealingwith, where you're doing a
communication drill with a bodyto another body, a phaeton and
(27:03):
phaeton's connected to thosebodies, and then the body shows
these, these, uh, symptomaticsides of these things that we're
sussing out in communication,and while you guys are doing the
drill, you you're saying well,I, like quentin was saying you
know, I talk with my head and myshoulders.
(27:24):
And and, uh, your, your partnerwas saying you know, why do you
?
What was it he said?
Why do you always talk withyour head and your shoulders?
Why do you move around so much?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I like this.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
When I do videos, I use my hand, I'm very expressive
and stuff.
Anybody, anybody who knows meknows and that was like a thing
Like why?
Why just sit there andcommunicate?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
This is from a which is harder to do than people
think it is.
It's a lot harder to do.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah Well, and I think I think Jonathan is spot
on when he says, like this is a,this is a real thing in that
now.
Now we're just talking aboutright now for those of you who
are listening we're just talkingabout using communication, trs,
right, which is basically TRstands for training routines.
I don't know if we said thatalready, but TR stands for
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training routines how to get aperson to communicate
effectively, right, and justsitting there, communicating
with another being in a certainway can turn on somatics in the
body in a certain way can turnon somatics in the body.
(28:36):
Now, think about this in everyother area of your life.
Think about it in school, goingto school, and oh, I don't feel
like going to school today, I'mnot feeling well, and you try
to get out of school and youturn on a service facsimile or
something like that.
Think about it in life andgoing to work and trying to be
productive, and you're feeling alittle bit defeated, didn't get
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enough rest because you'reburning the midnight oil and now
you're under the weather for aweek and a half and you get
taken out because somethingturns on.
This affects everything and Iwant you to understand why this
is so important and why Ibelieve LRH started with looking
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at the body using the mind,what the mind is doing to the
body with its genetics, and whypsychosomatic illness is talked
about so much throughoutindependent Scientology because
people are always dealing withit and don't even know it half
the time.
They just think it's normal.
I'm sitting here looking at thislecture.
It's from the St Hill SpecialBriefing Course on a campaign to
(29:43):
handle psychosomatic ills.
That's the name of the lectureCampaign to handle psychosomatic
ills.
It comes from July 28,.
The name of the lectureCampaign to Handle Psychosomatic
Illness.
It comes from July 28th, 1964.
And he says here he said nowhe's talking about doctors,
talking about medical doctors.
He said now, his route then isa physical address to the
situation from the beginning tothe end.
(30:04):
So when you speak of illness,how does this register to a
medical doctor to whom you arespeaking?
You say illness and you sayhealing.
You say these two words and themedical doctor at once,
instantly and at once,translates it into physical
address.
That's his basis ofunderstanding.
(30:27):
Well, let's give the bloke somecredit for this.
Most of them those certainlythat have had experience are not
trying to hold the public frontand trying to shake down the
government for the whole bunchof shekels just to waste time.
They know they are up againstit when it hits the word
(30:49):
psychosomatic.
Now, psychosomatic is the mostabused, misunderstood, turned
upside down term that anybodyever aired to have anything to
do with.
Psychosomatic means what?
The psyche, the psycheexperiencing, or in pain, the
psyche suffering.
(31:10):
I think this is so good becauseLRH talks about when you see
these psychosomatic ills turn onin your body.
It really is the psychesuffering.
The body is just a result, thebody is just a symptom.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's right.
This is interesting Symptomaticside, that's right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yes, but when you're talking to your medical doctors
and you know, give credit tothat bloke but when you're
talking about the medicaldoctors, his or her physical
address is the only experience.
They have to address it.
So they'll give you medications, they'll give you a surgery,
they'll give you a stint,they'll put something up in
(31:48):
there to lock it in or whatever,whatever.
But if it's something thatkeeps turning on, we don't know
where it's coming.
They call it asymptomatic orthey call it what's it called?
Autogenetic, autogeneticdisease, right?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Don't laugh at that and that comes back to and this
is the larger arc of thispodcast is we were talking about
Artie and what he'sexperiencing on his Pro TRS
course.
As an example, artie said to meyou know, I think I've got the
(32:26):
flu, I'm feeling flu-y and Iimmediately thought, okay,
what's he doing?
Okay, he's doing TRs, all right, that's where this is coming
from, because he's outside ofAustralia, I believe that Just
saying.
And that's why I'm talking aboutthis to you, so that the
(32:50):
listeners get this, and tovalidate what Quentin says is
that, okay, this thing is goingon while it's your zorch.
This is what's happening.
And if we got the bodyrudiments in and Arthur's
getting enough sleep and he'swell fed and he's well rested
and he's in a decent environment, which which he's been
(33:13):
wrestling with in Malaysia totry and find someplace that was
a little bit more naturistic asopposed to concrete jungle, and
you know that that may, may havea factor in it.
But I mean, if you've got thosebody rudiments in and then
you're doing something else,whether it's you're on course
(33:33):
and you're on pro-TRs and you'redoing TRs, or you're just going
on in life and you've gotsomething going on the point is
is that if something is going on, the body is the symptomatic
side of the thetan, as Quentinmentioned, the psyche, the I,
the thetan in charge, and youcan't ask for whom the bell
(33:56):
tolls.
The bell tolls for thee,because what's happening is
you're seeing an objectiveresult in the body from
something that is part of thebeing, something that they're
creating, that is is, is in theway.
So if you have something goingon and you're feeling fluey okay
(34:20):
in in arthur's situation it was.
It was almost a a perfectexample of that that he's
running through thesecommunication drills and the
even larger arc, hiscommunication is being gotten in
as to the difficulties thathe's running into in his current
time track in life and we'rerunning these things out.
(34:44):
What turned it on will turn itoff, and the same thing applies
to a PC that you're auditing insession.
Is the way out, is the waythrough.
We're running this process.
Whatever turns on in the middleof this process is because that
process is working and that'sgoing to show up in the body.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Go ahead, arthur and I think also from from my
experience, um, running throughthis as well is there's an
element of reality that'sshowing me where my
communication has been out, andI think people tend to forget as
well, like when you make suchchanges, you still have to live
(35:23):
life and life will show youthose changes.
It's not like you get afeel-good moment and that's it.
As you're going into life,these things start to present
themselves, and because it's not, for me, it's not just the flu.
It was like I had disruptionsfinding somewhere to stay.
I had disruptions, justmistakes that cost me money, and
(35:45):
all that kind of stuff, like alot has occurred pretty much all
at once.
So not only physical, umsomatics, but then also actual
things happening in in my worldas well, um, which is really
interesting, and they're allcommunication based, and so now
it's like okay, how do I makethese things work, knowing what
(36:09):
I know?
And in order to get throughthat stuff as well, you've got
to apply these things as well,because just doing the course
isn't enough, so to speak.
You still have to apply thesethings.
You know, you hear it all thetime If you apply the tech, if
(36:29):
you apply the tech and I thinkit's at this point as well where
a lot of people will blow umwithout, you know, trusting that
if you see it through, it'sgonna I'm gonna get the results
I want.
Like anything, you know, themoment you start a project, um,
quite often if it gets a littletough, it might go back on the
shelf for a while and it alwaysalways be incomplete.
(36:50):
And these processes are thesame.
You still have to see themthrough to get the results, you
know.
So, even though right now I'drather just stay at home and
watch a movie, you know I'm here.
I'm here presenting myself,pushing through.
You know, after we do thepodcast, we're going to be doing
more trs.
You know we're just going tokeep persisting with this until
(37:13):
it's done, because I know onceit's done, my external world
will also change, because nowI've managed to break through
those barriers in my internalworld.
Right and subjective versusobjective, objective being the
physical universe, subjectivebeing in your universe or an
(37:34):
internal or the agreed uponuniverse that you and quentin
are doing these, thesecommunication drills with that's
right, and as much as I'd loveto be victim, so to speak, and
then just blame and then sit onmy hands, it can't happen that
way, but and I don't say that asa joke, because a lot of us do
(37:54):
take that position initially-yeah yeah, that's right, and
that's the danger zone as well,and and starting such, a, such a
process, you've got to see itthrough.
Um, you have to see it through.
And and it's funny becausethere's a little part of me
inside that says that you knowmy physical, somatic saying oh,
forget this.
Yeah, yeah, can I just sleepand eat and do nothing?
(38:18):
Um.
But then the other part of meis like no, you have to do this,
you have to see this through.
If you want things to change inyour world, then you have to
change them.
It's really that simple.
Yeah, the world is not going tochange just because I'm
uncomfortable.
You know like today there was astorm with lightning everywhere
.
You know the the universedidn't say oh, maybe I'm making
(38:43):
them a little uncomfortable,I'll just make it a little more
gentle you know, it said no,here I am.
You know lightning bolts,thunder strikes, winds, weather
um, and I think that's a realitythat we tend to dismiss as well
.
The true nature of things doesnot discriminate on how you're
(39:04):
feeling about something at all.
It really doesn't care um atall.
It really doesn't care um,right.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So anybody happening for wanting to do this, do it,
yeah.
Well, yeah, and they're myreasons.
Right, you can.
You can agree with it.
You can disagree with it andsay, oh well, the weather's
crappy out today.
I've got to drive half a halfan hour to get to quentin to do
these drills.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Uh, we'll put it off till tomorrow and yeah, which
means what the somatic's gonnasit around for longer, right,
and if anything the somaticmight win at that stage, you
know I'll be existing with thatsomatic for a long, long time,
as opposed to doing a little bitof uncomfortable hard work now,
(39:51):
reducing that time by anincredible amount right so if
not permanently yeah, and soyou're disagreeing with the
physical universe.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Go ahead, quentin.
I can see you want to say yeah,and isn't that?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
thank you for that, arthur, because isn't that a
microcosm of the macrocosm thatis independent Scientology, like
a little bit of push through,persistence, fighting your own
demons and fighting your ownstuff in order to get through it
(40:25):
, so that this never has to bean issue ever again?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I think it's so good because because- only that I can
spread my somatic to otherpeople as well, boy oh boy just
saying just saying yeah, youknow, like Malaysia's a
beautiful place right and whileI'm going through this, I'm in a
country, I'm in a differentlocation on this.
(40:50):
On that, you know, I might goback home.
If I'm going through this, I'min a country, I'm in a different
location on this, I'm that youknow.
I might go back home if I don'tresolve this somatic and be
like don't go to malaysia, it'sa, it's a, it's a rubbish
country.
I hated every minute of it, youknow, and I'll spread my
somatic through my words I lovemalaysia, but yeah, but I'm just
saying as an example.
(41:11):
Like as an example, like the waysemantics work.
They don't discriminate,because I don't know what the
somatic actually is at thisstage.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
All I know is.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I'm getting a somatic from a process.
And that somatic could be fromthe womb pre-womb.
It could be anywhere on my timetrack.
It could have been last week.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And because anything equals anything equals anything,
a equals A equals A.
Because of that viewpoint itcould make it so that you think
that this was the problem, whenit's not the problem.
The problem.
I had a PC that would get thesekiller migraines and I talked
(41:54):
about this in the last podcast,but I think it bears repeating.
I had a PC who would get thesekiller migraines and as we were
in session, we were going overand over and over with Dianetics
, we were going over and overand over what was going on with
this person and their headachesand all that stuff like this or
whatever.
And he spotted for himself thatit was the telephone back in his
(42:16):
office.
The telephone is on thereceiver, the landline
telephones, and it was thetelephone because his sister
called him at work.
He picks up the telephone andsays know, this is Mike or
whatever his name was, and shescreams in the phone mama's dead
(42:37):
, mama's dead.
And she screams in the phonethis and it boom.
It hit him like a ton of bricks.
He started getting migrainesand he had been in this job for
many, many years 20, some oddyears and like clockwork he's
sitting at his desk at work andhe would just start getting
(42:59):
these migraines and he wouldlike, oh my god, and he would
have to call in to work and getoff work and do all this stuff
or whatever.
And immediately, once hespotted that lock, immediately
he got relief.
He cracks up laughing, havingright.
He cracks up laughing, having akefal about how stupid it was
(43:22):
that his sister calls him andsays mama's dead and doing all
this stuff, and all because hewas getting these migraines, all
because of this telephone.
And now he's back, he's at hisjob, has no problems, right,
because it was something thatyou think it's.
Oh, I need to drink more water,I need to exercise more, I need
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to do this, I need to do that,and that's all wonderful and
well and good.
And of course he was poppingpain pills or whatever for the
headaches.
But, and of course he waspopping, you know, pain pills or
whatever for the headaches.
But I'm saying all this to sayis that what you think it is,
it's probably not OK, and so,and because anything goes,
anything goes or anything, youget into a situation where this
(44:03):
means this, means this meansthis, and it probably is not the
issue at all.
And I think that this is soimportant as independent
Scientologists being able toreally go in and help you spot
what's hurting you, help youspot what's ailing you and where
it really comes from and givingyou assists, giving you
(44:26):
auditing and giving you thingsthat you really need.
And in this case, even TRs aredoing the communication drills
so that you can start to livelife better without all the
stuff impinging upon you as abeing because the body wants to
feel a certain way.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, that's funny how you said that as well,
because that kind of goes backto what I was saying before
about becoming like a victim.
Because that kind of goes backto what I was saying before
about becoming like a victimbecause you'll blame.
Your poor logical mind istrying to make sense of why
you're feeling the way you'refeeling and it just simply
cannot.
I mean, with guidance it can,but when you're trying to work
things out, quite often younever find the actual onion, so
(45:07):
to speak.
And it's like, even from myexperience here like I've had so
many multiple experiences and Icould be take the attitude of
it was because of this person,it was because of that situation
, it was because it was becauseit was because.
But there's only one factormissing in all of those and that
factor is me.
I was in all those situations.
(45:28):
They weren't in the situations.
I was in those situations.
Right, you see what I'm saying?
yeah, there's only one commonfactor, and and that was me
right and and and the.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
the point is is is the body, is the subject or,
excuse me, the objective?
The body is the objectiveobject that you have.
And when you start seeingthings on the body where, okay,
I'm feeling fluish, I'm doingcommunication drills and things
are turning on, you either agreewith it or you disagree with it
(46:05):
.
And you go okay, well, I'mfeeling fluid and you go okay,
well, I'm feeling fluid, why,why?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
are you like I can?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
hear my cat calling me as you're saying this because
if you agree with it and you go, oh well, I'm a victim.
I agree with the fact that I'ma victim.
I agree with the fact that I'mfeeling fluish and I'm doing
communication drugs, okay, thenyou're done for.
(46:37):
Because it's complexity andconfronting, right, what am I
not?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
100%.
If I leave this open, I'veachieved nothing.
Right Like zero.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
That's right.
The way out is the way through,and that's that's.
That's how I was trained atflag when I did the
communications, the protearscourse, the communications
course is you know, the way outis, the way through is is you're
you're directing the person'sattention towards something they
don't want to look at for whatit is, and we have to keep going
(47:10):
.
We have to keep going untilthat is keyed out or it is
erased, to the point to wherenow you have this ability that
you didn't have before, but thebody is showing the symptomatic
side of it.
You're turning on flu, fluishsymptoms.
You know mama is dead, oh myGod.
Grief, shame, blame, blame,regret, apathy all this stuff is
(47:36):
is the symptomatic side that isshowing up in the body, because
your agreement is as such and Ihope this.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
And now you're shaking that cage.
Yeah, I always say it like um,like.
It's almost like anothercharacter that lives inside of
you, and now it's been exposedand so it will do whatever in
its power to prevent you fromremoving it.
It'll lie to you, it'll hurt you, it'll cheat you or to do so
many things like a whole otherpersonality that's existed
(48:08):
completely fine, you know, forso long it's, it's put you into
so many situations.
Now, all of a sudden, you'restarting to reveal it and it's
got its own survival mechanismas well, and its survival
mechanism will be uh, let's makehim sick.
Let's make him sick.
Let's make him sick.
That'll stop him from going.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Let's put some obstacles in his way, that will
stop him from getting thereright, and so that's the thing
is that if you agree with it andyou go, oh well, it's the flu.
Where are you?
Yeah, where are you?
You're, you're?
You're two steps forward andthree steps back, whereas, well,
(48:49):
okay, what was it that I wasdoing?
Oh, okay, I was doing thesecommunication drills and this
stuff turned on.
In other words, where were youlast doing?
Good, okay, well, I've nowstarted to confront something
that I didn't want to confrontand the body said boom smack.
Now there's this.
(49:10):
It's misdirection.
Yeah, don't, don't fall for it.
Right, it's a trick.
It is a trick.
Yeah, don't go into agreementwith it.
That, okay, so you're lookingat this um confirmation bias in
a reverse form.
Oh, I'm sick.
I need to stop.
(49:30):
That's the last thing you needto do.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
You need to push on because, it's interesting um as
well, like just completely alittle off as far as, like,
somatic talk goes, like it'squite a thing in, uh,
spirituality now as well, andwhat I find really interesting
about that is you know thisthrough scientology, um, through
(49:56):
the work of lrh, independentscientology, um, this work has
been observed.
Techniques have been designedto resolve these things, um,
like there's every no stone.
No stone has been unturned inunderstanding somatic behavior
(50:17):
through independent scientology,and there's a lot of modalities
out there that claim to dothese kinds of things as well.
Um, but this technology hasbeen around for a long time.
What a chicken is that, yeah,and because there's so many, so
many people will take a piece ofit right and just not recognize
(50:38):
the depth that Scientologyactually went through to resolve
these conditions in people andstill does, right, you know, and
nothing's changed.
You know, it's the same, it'sthe same, it's the same
technique 70 years, yeah, um,and it's only now that people
are starting to be kept, becomeaware of somatic behaviors, and
(51:01):
even just using the wordsomatics, um is, is actually
becoming a thing when you knowyou go back so long ago.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, it was already there right already there and
well, yeah, it's reallyinteresting a part of what I
wanted to even talk about herewas also like that is any of
this and, jonathan, you might beable to answer this question
too but is any of this thatwe're talking about right now in
the province of faith healing?
(51:30):
Because obviously that conceptof that idea has been around for
eons, right?
or centuries, where it's likeyou know, you know, I believe, I
believe, hallelujah, I believe,and you can now walk, you know,
after having a leg of all yourlife or something or whatever.
Um, it is right.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Right is any of this in the province?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
of faith healing or is it something else?
Is it something that is, uh,trackable, measurable, you know,
readable or whatever, where youcan actually see how a person's
pain, or whatever that somaticturns on, you can see it like,
(52:16):
is that?
Is that?
Is this different than faithhealing?
Speaker 1 (52:21):
well, I mean to be anticlimactic, no, but the
reason why it, why it isn't anydifferent, is because you look
at earth-based religions.
Okay, I'm going to assign causeto somebody else, the big man
(52:43):
in the sky with the gray beardand you're going to say, well,
the Lord works in mysteriousways.
Say, well, the Lord works inmysterious ways.
He will show me what it is thatI need to do Now.
You can disagree or you canagree with it.
That's totally fine, andself-determinism is paramount.
(53:04):
It's the most important thing.
What's true for you is true foryou.
You can say, okay, the Lordmeant this to happen.
And you can agree.
Keyword parentheses, bold,24-point font, underlined and
italicized.
You can agree with that andthat's true for you.
(53:26):
But the thing is is who is thesource of this?
What is the source of this?
At the end of the day, you arethe alpha and you are the omega
(53:47):
oh, come on, come on, you arethe beginning and the end, the
first and the last Right.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And so this is really interesting because LRH says,
in the same lecture I mentionedearlier, he says that you can
even go back here and find thepoint where the fellow made the
postulate to have the illness.
See, you can do all kinds ofwild things on this side of it,
(54:14):
not just on the, and there's nohelp to the medical doctor, like
, like the medical doctor doeswhat the medical doctor does and
nobody's throwing medicaldoctors, you know, to the, to
the crocodiles.
But but when you can you workfrom this side of it, per lrh,
and you can go back and you canactually find the point where
the fellow made the postulateseven have the illness.
(54:36):
Right, there is a truth, andI'm emphasizing that word.
There is a truth that comesalong with helping a person
understand why their bodyconditions are holding them back
.
And I'm speaking from personalexperience, where I go back and
(54:59):
I've gone back and I found whereI said to myself this is what
I'm going to experience, and itshows up later, later, later,
later, over and over and overagain.
And I'd be like damn, Iliterally I kid you not I
literally used to get summerflus or summer colds.
(55:20):
You guys have heard of these.
Right, it was like summer colds, not in the winter, where most
people think you get thesestifles or whatever.
I used to get these summercolds and I used to say to
myself no-transcript.
(55:51):
And so I didn't want to gooutside and play football with
my brothers and them.
And so because I didn't like, Ididn't want to go outside and
play football it's so stupid andso I didn't want to go, I
didn't want to go outside andplay football.
So I decided that I get summercolds and, like clockwork, every
july, every j July, I would getthese damn colds and it would
(56:14):
take me out for about a weekbecause I didn't want to go
outside and play footballsolution to a problem right it's
like kids getting sick beforethey go to school.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Right, have you been sick and you've been.
You thought to yourself, youknow what, it'll be, okay, it'll
be okay.
And then it gets worse.
And then you make anappointment with a doctor and
you rock up to the doctors foryour appointment and all of a
sudden you feel fine.
You feel better now, right.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I swear it was there before Right.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Who made the decision that then manifested itself on
the body, whether it was arty'sfluish feelings because he was
having to look at something thathe needed to confront nothing
to do with me.
It was my external environmentthank you I mean, that typifies
(57:14):
it, that typifies it right thereis this, this resist, resist,
resist that which you resist.
Yeah, you become because ofyour agreement to your own.
And and to go back to, uh, youknow, the alpha and the omega,
everything, everything thathappens to you, you cause, and
I'm sorry that sounds like themost terrible tasting thing
(57:38):
you've ever wanted to hear, butit's true.
And then that shows up on thebody.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yep, my mother almost took herself out just with that
, what you just said.
But this was back in 19,.
I'm sorry, this was back in2007.
My mother calls me.
I'm living in Atlanta, georgia.
My mother calls me and she saysshe had to get rushed to the
emergency room and I was like,wait, what happened?
And she said she started havingpain in her chest and pain in
(58:09):
her arm.
You know the whole thing and,like Art just said, when they
arm, you know the whole thing.
And, like Art just said, whenthey got to the hospital she was
fine and so the doctors checkedher out, wanted to make sure
everything was fine, and theyran whatever CGI's or MRI's or
whatever whatever, and theycouldn't find any blockages,
they couldn't find any issuesand so they just chalked it up
(58:31):
to like a you know, maybe it washeartburn or whatever.
And I'm sitting on the phonewith her and I said, mom, how
old are you now?
Because you know, obviously agemight be a consideration in
that heart stuff I said, mom,how old are you now?
And she said I'm 54.
I said, ok.
I said how old was granddadwhen he died of a heart attack?
(58:52):
She said he was 56.
And I said how old are you?
She said I'm 54.
And I said how old was granddad?
She said 56.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
And then she just cracked up laughing right, right
, because that's that lifecontinuum thing.
You know, that's that life.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Good, now I'm supposed I'm supposed to act
like my dad and that's that'sall there is to it, because you
agreed because you agree that,that, that, that, that, uh, but
people in my family get this,people in my family get that,
they have these issues orwhatever, whatever.
And now she's 70 somethingyears old, doing just fine, no
heart issues, no, nothing, ain'tnothing going on right, and so
(59:40):
it's.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
You got to understand that you can cause these things
, and you cause theminadvertently and it's
interesting as well because,taking that a step further, like
(01:00:03):
how many people actually aresick and then they go get so
many tests, so many, um, youknow, they spend time in
hospitals to have zero resultsshowing some kind of ailment,
nothing, yet they're soconvinced that they're they're
ill.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah like that's such a common thing right, I need, I
need to take this medication tokey this out, so that I don't
have to look at it that I'mactually causing it myself.
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And so now we have an understanding at least of why
and how the body and these bodyconditions are holding you back.
And per art, um, would you sayhow you say art?
Just push through it like justdo it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yeah, like, and and the statement is so true.
Um, actually I two things.
You know, the only way out isthrough Like.
That is such a powerfulstatement and it's much bigger
than even just us discussing itactually is, because to see it
through is not a small task, youknow.
(01:01:26):
It's starting a cycle andactually completing it.
But also, towards the end of myclay demos, in chapter seven,
right at the end, ron Hubbard'sdiscussing the curious question
of more communication or lesscommunication, and this really
stood out for me because hisfinal outcome for his decision
(01:01:48):
was more communication is theonly way.
Outcome for his decision wasmore communication is the only
way.
Now, if you've got ailments andyou're communicating less and
less and less and just acceptingthe ailments, then you're not
communicating, are you?
Whereas if you startcommunicating more with your
ailments, then something's goingto happen.
Your ailment may communicateback, so to speak.
You know, and then you can.
(01:02:09):
You can discover these areas inyour body, but more
communication is the key, whichmeans you know, more
communication in my situationwould include communicate
communicating with you, john,communicating with you, quinton,
communicating with my way here,communicating in time,
(01:02:30):
communicating and being present,um, communicating, doing the
trs.
You know communication, morecommunication, more
communication, the lesscommunication.
The more your ailments, the moreyour ailments then you're only
going to go backwards yeah, andso that statement was really
powerful everything.
(01:02:51):
Yes, you got to communicate theassist as well.
Even if you're doingscientology assists, they
require communication in orderto to do them the touch assist.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
the touch assist restores communication with the
body.
The nerve assist, uh, is aboutcommunication of the nerves, how
the, how the nerves and andenergy flows to the body and
stuff like that.
The contact assist gets youback into communication with the
nerves, how the nerves andenergy flows to the body and
stuff like that.
The contact assist gets youback into communication with the
physical environment and thelocational, which is like a type
of assist as well.
The locational gets the spiritin present time and being able
(01:03:24):
to be aware of their environment, observe their environment, to
alleviate mental overwhelm, andso people having panic attacks,
people having anxiety, peoplehaving all this stuff whatever,
you can literally pull yourselfout of these things by working
with communication.
So when you said it, lrhconcluded that more
(01:03:45):
communication is better.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
That's true, it's true and every assist works from
that perspective yeah, you'rejust trying to get the person
back into communication withtheir environment in the
physical universe.
As far as, objectively orsubjectively, that then is not
now, then is not now.
Yeah, you know whether it'slook around here and find
(01:04:09):
something that doesn't remindyou of blank, I say it's for the
loss of a loved one.
Right, and that's the thing.
Is that then is not now Getinto communication with your
environment.
You're here and you're now.
This is what is going on rightnow, on right now.
(01:04:36):
So all of these things tietogether, whether they're
objective processes that aretrying to get you back into
present time, where you're notreviving something that happened
in the past that makes you feelbad, that keys you in, makes
the mass pull in and you feelmuch more solid and massy, or
keys it out so that it's notaffecting you, so that you can
see the trees for the forest andyou can make forward progress.
(01:04:58):
That's the point of thispodcast is take a look at this
and go okay, the way out is theway through.
Whatever turned it on will turnit off.
And so getting auditing andlooking at these things and
disagreeing with past agreementsthat you've made because
whatever it is that you'reexperiencing right now is only
(01:05:21):
because you decided that youneeded to experience that,
whether it was wrong or it wasright or somewhere in between,
auditing will help you look atthat and go okay, I made a wrong
decision and I'm operating offof that.
I'm living the life of ma and pa.
My daddy died at 90.
I'm going to die at 60 or 62 orwhatever.
(01:05:42):
You don't have to do that.
You're the alpha, you're theomega, it's all up to you and
the way out is the way through,but you have to be able to look
at it.
I mean, that's what you'regetting out of this right Artie.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, and it's pretty full on because, as you're
going through it and your worldis happening, you can't help but
think the work you've beendoing definitely attributes to
it.
Um, because it's actuallymaking me realize how
(01:06:19):
communicating more is.
Is the option?
Um, because the a small example, um, I was, I was stuck on on
somewhere to stay and then Ijust got something cheap just to
give me a bit of time, and Idecided and this is how crazy it
is I decided to stay in a roomthat was moldy, it was run down,
(01:06:41):
it was this and that, and I wasokay with it.
For some odd reason, but Iwasn't okay with it.
And then I come over toquinton's and I'm like, oh, I've
got this real shitty place.
And he's like, well, did you dosomething about it?
I'm like no, and it's like nocommunication.
You know, no communication.
All I had to do was communicateto get myself put into a better
(01:07:03):
room, to do this, to be morecomfortable, but instead I chose
uncomfortability over adecision I made.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And we think we're being polite or we think we're
being, you know, just going withthe flow.
We say stuff like that orwhatever, but what we're really
doing is that we're even if, forthat moment, we're kind of
lessening our own power andputting ourself in a position
where the environment gets towin versus I get to create an
(01:07:41):
environment that works for meright and and I think, and I
think that that probably is themost uh, godlike or godly, holy
way of what is it?
Outflow is holier than inflow.
I think that's the holier wayof living, where you get to
express or outflow that whichyou are.
(01:08:05):
And if you're a sane, loving,neat and tidy, healthy
individual and I know you areyou're very healthy, you're a
very healthy guy.
You play pickleball, you'll bedoing, you'll be running around,
walking out in nature and stuff.
I don't do none of that, butit's like you're a very healthy
(01:08:25):
person, and then you go into anenvironment that doesn't reflect
who you are and you say, well,I'll just deal with it.
No, yeah, not on my watch,right?
What did you agree with?
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, a lot of things,yeah man.
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So this is this is where we are and what I love
about this and I love that withfact that we can have this on
this podcast and talk about itand that you guys get to sit
here and talk to us about it,because it's like this is life
and we live in it and we'refiguring it out and we're doing
the stuff that we got to do tomake it go right, and we get to
share these experiences with youto show this is real stuff,
(01:09:06):
like we're as independentScientologists.
We don't live in ivory towers.
You know what I'm saying.
As independent Scientologists,we don't live in ivory towers.
You know what I'm saying.
We are living here in the life,in the trenches, doing things
that everybody has to go through, and yet we're doing it with
the technology and a knowingnessthat can help us through it
every step of the way if weapply it, and that's what I love
(01:09:26):
about this.
Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Right.
It takes persistence to go thedistance.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
That's a.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
T-shirt yeah, yeah, yeah the way out is the way
through, and who are youagreeing with?
If you're agreeing with yourself, what are you agreeing to?
And that's what we'll put as theend cap on the whole podcast
and this shows up in the body.
So make sure you eat right,drink right, sleep right all
(01:09:57):
that stuff and take a look atwhat it is that you're agreeing
to and who are you agreeing with, and you can disagree and
change things if you want, and alot of that has to do with
changing your mind by gettingauditing and getting the
information that you need tohave in order to evaluate
situations with yourself andothers across your eight
(01:10:17):
dynamics or the College ofIndependent Scientology.
And get in touch with us andwe'll get you a theta meter and
interview you and get yourolling on all the things that
you need to do to be do and haveand agree to the things that
(01:10:41):
you want to agree to, as opposedto the things that you are
agreeing to.
So for Quentin, myself andArthur, get in communication
with yourself, get incommunication with us and change
.
And Arthur, Get incommunication with yourself, Get
in communication with us andchange your agreements, Namaste,
and we love you.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
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