September 7, 2025 • 51 mins
The fundamental principle of reciprocity governs everything from our physical bodies to our most intimate relationships. When blood flows through your heart or air fills your lungs, a constant cycle of give and take sustains life itself. But what happens when relationships lack this essential balance?
This thought-provoking conversation explores how balanced exchange creates thriving connections while one-sided giving leads to dysfunction. "I want to be kind, but I don't want to die," becomes a powerful reminder that generosity without boundaries isn't sustainable. We examine why "random acts of kindness" might actually be problematic and how structured, intentional giving creates more meaningful outcomes.
The discussion takes fascinating turns through practical examples—from teaching children fair exchange with simple trades like "a flower for candy," to recognizing when someone is manipulating your kindness through guilt or obligation. We explore how people operating at different emotional tone levels approach exchange differently, and why connecting with those at or above your level becomes crucial for your well-being.
Most importantly, we discover that reciprocity isn't just about preventing exploitation—it's about creating relationships where both parties strive to outgive each other in healthy competition. These positive-sum exchanges generate an upward spiral where everyone benefits exponentially. Whether in business partnerships, friendships, or family dynamics, balanced reciprocity becomes the foundation for relationships that don't just survive but truly thrive.
What standards have you set for exchange in your relationships? Are you surrounded by parasites or partners? Listen now to transform how you approach giving and receiving in every area of your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
all right, welcome to installment number three of the
week of september.
Today is sunday, september 7th2025, and this is season 11,
episode 29.
Um, this is the thirdinstallment.
I'm here with quentin andarthur and we're going to do
(00:24):
this is a really hot mic.
We're just talking about this.
We're going to do sort of likean extension episode.
This has to do with exchange,lrh's degrees of exchange.
We're looking at it from theviewpoint of reciprocity and
this is a very, very key thingfor people and I want to define
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what reciprocity is, and it's aterm LRH uses a lot and
reciprocity is a noun and it'sdefined as these three
definitions the practice ofexchanging things with others
for mutual benefit, a situationor relationship in which two
parties grant each otherequivalent privileges, rights or
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services.
Number three in general usage,it refers to mutual dependence,
give and take or balancedexchange in social, economic or
legal contexts.
Now, the derivation of this,the etymology, is from Latin
reciprocis quote, turning back.
The same way, unquote, whichcame into medieval Latin as
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reciprocitis, meaning quote, thequality of returning in kind,
unquote.
So that is reciprocity.
And or reciprocation where thereis a, a mutual benefit, and
this is something I mean.
There's been a lot of thisgoing on, uh, for me here in
(01:56):
south africa, uh, and we can getinto that, but um quentin was
hot to uh get started so that wedidn't lose the.
You know the magic of what wewere talking about.
So for sure, I'll let you, I'lllet you lead on this, since you
had some things that you wantedto say, and then I'm sure we'll
this'll go a bunch of differentdirections really quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Sure, well, you know.
First of all, I want to saythat reciprocity in any flows,
any of your flows, is going tobe extremely necessary in order
for anything to work.
Whether it be your heartpumping blood, right, the blood
goes out, the blood comes in,the blood goes out, the blood
comes in.
That keeps your life functionsoperating, whether it be
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inhaling and exhaling out and in, out and in and exhaling, you
know, out and in, out and out in.
And so in every functionalliving system, reciprocity or
the what is it?
What's the definition?
Say, the turning and comingback in, or to turn back in, or
turning back the same way,turning back the same way.
So I go breathe out and Ibreathe in.
(03:01):
You know, I like like.
It has to happen, it has to bethe case.
And when, in any livingfunctional situation, when there
is not reciprocity, when thereis not two-way communication,
when there is not a fairexchange, you're going to have
dysfunction, you're going tohave a cancerous or parasitic
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type relationship or situation,and this thing can be extremely
dangerous to your life.
And we're talking to very vaguein general, but I'm gonna give
some specifics as I go along,because I want people to
understand that, when it comesto reciprocity, it is a
necessity, not an allowance.
I'm not allowing, I'm nottolerating this lack of
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reciprocity.
In my experience, there has tobe fair exchange or else already
I can see you nodding and it'sand it's interesting going
through the proteas course aswell.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
um, lrh points out that if, if the communication
flow is only going one way,whether it's out or whether it's
in, it's going to causeaberration, and it's interesting
how you just put it.
Then, quinton as well, it's gotto be a full comm cycle, it's
got to go two ways, which goesback to the derivative backwards
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and forwards, moving forwardsand moving backwards, moving
forwards and moving backwards.
So it's quite a mechanicalapproach in a way as well, in a
sense, but then also spirituallytoo.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
yeah, that was really well said, quentin, yeah yeah,
for sure, yeah, that's, andthat's.
That's the thing is, is it hasto be a balanced flow.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think that, yeah, I think that, ultimately, when
people get into relationships orpeople have these experiences
in life, sometimes the emotionscan preclude what it is that
we're really doing.
Here.
We're surviving, right.
(05:05):
The principle of existence perLRH is survival, and we're all
trying to survive and or thrivein our own experiences, and that
goes from the parasite.
The parasite is trying tosurvive, the bacteria is trying
to survive just as much as I am.
But you're not just going tokeep taking from me.
(05:27):
Right, I'm going to, I'm goingto have to eliminate that which
is not adding to my survival,and I'm very clear about that.
You know, I just think thatpeople have this idea that
because I feel something, itmakes survival less valuable.
I don't know what.
I don't know what.
I don't know what that I don'tknow what it is.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and and when?
When you let's put it this waywhen a person cares to the nth
degree, that is when you seeothers take who are not in the
position that you are in.
So, if you're kind and you havea and I'm I'm using
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non-scientological terms on thiswhen you are kind, others will
take advantage of you.
When you have, you have givenand, like we said, this has to
do with the I've given and, likewe said, this has to do with
the others have to.
I kind of lost my train ofthought here because I'm
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thinking faster than I can talk.
They will take advantage of youbecause they see that you are
generous and you are kind, andbecause you are kind, you will
keep letting them do thatbecause you can't say no.
And we talked about one of thepodcasts, the no drill, where
you don't want to say no because, well, you don't want to offend
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, you don't want to hurt, youdon't this, you don't that, and
so you have to put your footdown and say okay, what is it
that you bring to the table?
I've had many instances of thisthis week alone.
Go ahead, quinn.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Sure, sure, that's a yeah.
What is it that you bring tothe table?
I don't want to die.
I want to be kind, but I don'twant to die.
I don't want to die.
I want to be kind, but I don'twant to die.
I don't want to atrophy, Idon't want to lessen in my
functionality and who I am as afunctional being and so sure.
(07:34):
I don't want to be unkind, andI don't think that that is the
other side of the coin.
I just think that when thingsare going a certain way, what we
want to do is we want to bringorder, and we talked about this
in the last podcast when wetalked about word clearing and
stuff.
We want to bring order to it.
(07:54):
One of the ugliest phrases, oneof the ugliest phrases I've
heard in a long time is randomacts of kindness.
Have you heard that phrase?
Random acts of kindness?
It's so ugly to me because inwhat universe do we want to
tolerate massive randomness orrandomity?
No, we don't want.
We want some balance to it, andso I'm a very kind person, but
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I'm kind in order.
I'm kind with order, I'm kindwith fair exchange.
I told my son this my son wouldcome to me and he'll be like oh
dad, can you buy me these shoes?
Oh dad, can you give me thesegames?
Oh dad, can you give meda-da-da-da?
And I told him this.
I said I will never tell you.
No, I will always ask you how.
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So if you say, dad, can you buyme shoes, my question is how
you gonna get them.
I can buy them, sure.
How you gonna get them.
I, I can buy you shoes.
How you go, how you gonna getthem if I buy, if I buy they, my
shoes, how you getting them?
(09:00):
right that's my first question.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think.
Also when it comes to kindness,though, I think sometimes we
fall into the trap of having anexpected result as well, as
opposed to being able to seereciprocity versus having an
expectation that reciprocitywill be met if you do something,
having an expectation thatreciprocity will be met if you
do something, hence the randomacts of kindness.
(09:28):
People may believe that, okay,if I do something good, then
something good will come back tome, but it's, it's an
open-ended kind of thing.
It's not, um, it's not a, it'snot definitely created, it's.
It's not a definite reciprocity, it's a reciprocity with a
question mark attached to it.
Something may happen in return,something may come back in
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return, as opposed to actuallymaking the reciprocity occur and
setting yourself up for properrest.
And I've fallen into this trapmany times where I felt if I did
something for someone, thenthey will do something for me,
and then, after a while, thenyou fall into the tip of hang on
I've been doing this, this,this, this and this, but all I'm
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getting is peanuts in return.
Now, whose fault is that, mineor the other?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
person's.
Here's a Q-ism.
Here's one of my Q-isms.
Random reciprocity is a recipefor disaster.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yes, Another saying expectations equal premeditated
resentment, because you do fallinto a sense of resentment.
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, and another one is the road to success.
Is the road to success withgood intentions Right?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think that I think that we are, we're, we're, we're
kind of building this idea that, as independent Scientologists,
we understand a goodcommunication cycle, we
understand good control Start,change, stop.
We understand that anythingthat is out of control is a
cancer, anything that's out ofcontrol is an accident, is
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hazardous to our health, to ourwell-being, to our relationships
, to our finances, to our life,and so there has to be some good
control put in, start, changeand stop in order to make things
actually exist well and I justthink that that's true, yeah and
to make it a complete cycle.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You've got to be the cause and effect to some degree
yeah, yeah and and see, there'sa rose, there's, there's
pre-recipro, and that is whatyou guys just mentioned is
communication.
Do you have agreement?
If you can't get that agreement, then you're already setting
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yourself up for it being anegative sum exchange for
something that you're doing.
I'll give you an example ofwhere that is not the case.
Uh, that that happened thisweek.
Uh, we had uh two uh workersthat worked our residence and
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both of them became unemployedwhen I moved and this is this
was, you know, several weeks agoand the gardener got fired by
the landlord because I gave thegardener a freezer, a storage
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freezer in the garage, and Isaid you can have this.
He wanted to buy it from me.
It was too much and I thoughtI'm not using it, I'll just go
ahead and give it to him.
But the landlord fired himbecause he wanted the freezer
instead.
Now, the gardener did get it, hedid get the freezer, but he
lost his job.
I can't make this sort of thingup.
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And he had been employed withthis this homeowner who we were
renting from for six years andhas a newborn baby and a wife
that he's trying to support.
So I took, took him to thegrocery store and I got him some
groceries because he was reallylow on his groceries.
Now the reciprocity there Ididn't expect anything in return
(13:30):
.
It wasn't very much, I mean,you know, in US dollars, because
money for food here goes a longway and the reciprocity for me
was make sure you feed your baby.
The reciprocity for me was makesure you feed your baby, make
sure you feed your wife, and thesame thing held true for the
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domestic or the maid that we hadwhen I moved.
She was no longer employed andI gave her a full month's salary
, with her only working twoweeks.
But things came up and she wasout of money for food.
So we took her out and got hergroceries and both of these
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people thanked us their husband,her husband thanked, uh, you
know, gave an acknowledgementfor the groceries and everything
.
And, um, the gardener, after hegot home, rode his bike home
with the groceries, sent amessage and wanted to know how
thankful he was and how much heappreciated the support and the
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reciprocity there was.
If, if, can, I should, andthat's the exchange.
That's all I ask for is becauseif you're taking KRC for
something and you know that youcan help in what were dire
situations for both of theseindividuals.
That's the exchange is okay.
(15:03):
This helps you out.
Go forth and find a new job,type of a thing.
So to me that's okay.
If you're okay doing that andit isn't that much money, go
ahead.
Quentin, I know I see you wantto say something.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, and I think that that's amazing, and I think that
that view confidently is whatwe need to help make the world a
better place.
To a certain extent, I am ofthecity that is present Right.
(15:51):
So for me and no invalidationto what you did I think it's
amazing.
For me, my first thing wouldhave been when can you do X?
When can you do Y do X, whencan you do Y?
Right?
So I know you need, I know youneed groceries today and I have
no problem getting you groceriesbecause that's obviously a very
(16:11):
dire and urgent thing.
We'll get the groceries today.
Can you come over on Saturdayand do the laundry, or can you
come over on on on on Sunday and, you know, trim the trees, if
that's what you need, orwhatever it may be.
Can you help me get some stuffout of storage when I get ready
to move some stuff in my storageunit or whatever, wherever that
becomes an agreement.
(16:33):
We have a new thing that we'recreating here and it's a
functional relationship.
It's a relationship that'sbased on something that's gonna
work for both of us.
So I definitely agree thathelping people when they need
help is there.
That does not take away thatthere is an underlying truth
that we all live by, and we'rehere to help each other.
(16:54):
We're here to help each otherand that's where we, I think,
can gain the most value.
Lrh says in the marriage coursehe talks about, when you take
responsibilities away from theother person, you make them more
and more criminal right.
When you take theresponsibilities away from the
other person and that goes withrelationships and partners, that
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goes in business relationshipsand that goes in families when
the responsibility is no longeron the child to clean their room
, for example the child becomescriminal right and then they
start acting more and more likea criminal right Takey, takey,
takey, takey, takey.
But when you give the childresponsibilities, when you give
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them things that they have to doin order to get to what they
want, get where they where theywant, they become more
responsible.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Right Arthur.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I think you have to be careful on how you do things.
In a sense of people like Ihave no issue doing good things,
but I've also learned that ifI'm going to do something good,
it's because I've chosen to doit full stop.
I have no expectation ofsomething in return.
I have no expectation ofanything like that.
(18:19):
I have no expectation ofsomething in return.
I have no expectation ofanything like that.
But then there are times whereI'm creating like a contract in
a sense, where you know, okay, Iwill do something for something
in return.
And I think it's reallyimportant to be clear on where
you sit in that kind of thing,because, like, if you're going
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to do something and then expectsomething to happen or to come
back to you, then you've alreadyfailed, and so I think it's
it's really important.
If you're going to do a randomact of kindness, so to speak, it
remains a random act ofkindness.
That's it do it and then forgetabout it.
You know, don't do it and then,and then think that, um, it's
(19:03):
okay, you need to have somethingin return.
Um, and I think it's.
You've got to be quite clear onhow you approach things, in the
sense of I'm actually doingsomething because I want
something in return.
Make that clear, communicate it, create a deal, that kind of
thing.
If you're going to do somethingfor the because you just want
to, then it stays there thattime in your past.
(19:25):
You know.
It's not something you goforward saying, well, I did this
and I did that.
So therefore you know I wantsomething in return because then
you didn't do a good act.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Ultimately, um, you did something with an intention
and a preconceived future rewardyeah, that pay it forward kind
of thing you know is, you know,do this for somebody else when
you're in a position to do that,and and I think that those and
I actually don't think there'sanything wrong with those things
.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think they they're beautiful things to do, and I
think, but at the same time, youknow, in some cases it's like
asking a lion to become avegetarian.
You know, you've got to reallybe careful where things.
You know what I mean, becausethere are a lot of lions out
there and there are a lot of umcheats.
(20:21):
I suppose I don't know what therobots to use are, um, but
people ever their own survivalneeds, whatever they are, and as
far as survival goes, peoplewill do the most heinous things,
um, to survive, you know, andin such situations even eat
other humans if they have to,you know, and that's an extreme
level.
(20:41):
But then what about a lesserlevel, where somebody's trying
to pay their rent, somebody'strying to pay their phone bill,
somebody's trying to put food onthe table?
You know, everybody's a monkeyin the lion's, yeah and yeah, I
think your mic's yeah, you'remuted oh go
Speaker 1 (21:03):
ahead, jonathan.
Well, I I was.
I was just going to say thatwhere, where we started off this
and we're on a little bit of aside rail was this that it needs
to be communicated what?
What is it that you're doing?
And quentin said you know, okay, well, this is this is this is
this is the agreement, this iswhat we're we're going to do,
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and and if, if you don't do that, then you're setting yourself
up for something because itwasn't put out there and we've
had this in other podcasts.
You know, get it in writing thatI'm doing this and you're going
to do that, because, and if youand when in writing could could
be, it could be audio recorded,it could be video recorded with
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audio, or it could be righttext message or whatever.
These are, these are my uhgrounds for this and what we're
agreeing to.
But you also have to know whoit is that you're dealing with,
whether they're mature enough,whether they're responsible
enough.
You know those.
Those are qualifying factors,and if you, if you don't do that
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and you're dealing withsomebody who isn't those things,
you're going to end up at thethin end of the wedge and be
under pressure because it'sgoing to be expected.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
For sure.
You know, I, my son's, my son'ssisters, they're twins and when
they were like three or fourand you know, a three or four
year old can't do much in life,you know what I mean.
They just kind of walk aroundand be cuter, be messy or
whatever they do Right.
And my son, the sisters, wouldcome up to me, the twins, and
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they would want something.
I would have some candy or Ihave something, or whatever.
And they would say, oh, can Ihave a piece?
And I would say, well, let meask your mother.
So I asked mom, you know, hey,is it okay if the girls have a
piece of candy?
And she would say yes, and Iwould.
My next statement to the twinsthree years old, four years old,
is and what do I get?
I is, and what do I get?
(23:03):
I do like this what do I get toa three or four-year-old?
And they were like I don't know.
I said, go find me something.
Ooh, get me a flower, I want aflower.
And they would run around thehouse, run around the house when
I saw it and grab a flower, andthey would come back and bring
me a flower and they would getcandy.
I do this in everything.
I do this in everything.
You don't get candy until I geta flower Right, because at that
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maturity level they could findflowers Right.
Right or rock or whatever,exactly, exactly, and so you
give them.
Obviously you have to assess.
As an intelligent person, youwould want to assess what the
situation is going to grant theopportunity it grants them, but
you find something that theygive.
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And, because I say this all thetime, what's good for the goose
has to be good for the gander.
It can't just be about you boo,it can't Right.
And so whatever you get, it hasto benefit all of us somehow.
So if you get some new shoes orif you get a new game I'm
talking thinking about my son ifyou get some shoes or you get a
new game, then how is thatgoing to benefit me?
(24:10):
What I'm gonna do with it,right?
So then?
So now it has to be somethingthat I need and want.
You know what?
That pantry, the kitchen, thepantry in the kitchen, has been
in disarray for months.
Go ahead and hook that up realquick.
I got you and he was like man.
I said listen.
(24:30):
You said man, like I'm doingyou wrong, I'm getting you a
game, right, and he would comeback and he would finally get it
done after complaining, youknow, whatever, whatever, but
yeah, and he would come back andhe would finally get it done
after complaining.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You know, whatever, whatever.
But yeah, yeah, and it's true,because, like, even for you to
be at the point to just buyshoes, as an example, you know
you've already reciprocated yourrole to have the ability to be
able to purchase those things.
And then, if you're just goingto give that away, then where's
the reciprocity there?
And I suppose, thinking aboutit while we're discussing it,
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reciprocity occurs in so manydifferent ways an exchange of
money through work, exchange ofservice, services and money,
like they're all you know.
It's a form of reciprocity.
You don't go to the supermarketand just grab whatever you want
off the shelf and walk out.
You've got to exchange what,what you've already created
through some kind of reciprocity.
(25:23):
You know, providing a personservice and then to to just give
it away, then that's, that'sthe danger zone, depending on
how you give it away.
But I like your idea itdiminishes you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It diminishes you and it diminishes you in the eye of
the receiver, because now youare less your work, your, your
life, blood, your energy, yourblood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You're burning the midnight oil that becomes less
valuable because all I have todo is say I need shoes right and
and this is this is one of thethings that I wanted to bring up
in this, in this podcast isbecause you'll get those
individuals who will reduce youand if you go into that
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agreement of that reduction ofwho you are, what you are, what
you do, so that they can thenbenefit off of you having to
quote, unquote, make up thedamages that are persistent,
only because that is theviewpoint that they are trying
to get you to agree to, thatreduces your own self-worth and
(26:30):
you feel like, well, I need topropitiate, I need to do some
things for you.
You see this all the time, withbeings who are using your
kindness, your high-toneness,against you, because you will
take on this guilt for what itis that you supposedly have done
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and you agree to it.
So you're oh, I'm sorry, let me, let me do this and let me do
this and let me do this, andit's like you're already a
parent, you're already a son,you're already a daughter.
Whatever the situation, you'realready a business partner.
In some situations where, if youknow that you're doing
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everything that you can do, youneed to, power is the ability to
hold a position in space.
Per lrh, and it's true.
Why is it that you're believingthis stuff that you're being
told, so that there is an unfairreciprocation, whether it be
money, power, goods, services,whatever it is.
(27:35):
You don't have to believe thatsort of thing and you need to be
very on point to see that if itoccurs, because you see it a
lot.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, yeah, because it.
Oh, good, no, that's right.
Good, I was going to say Right,and I totally agree, because it
then falls into the province ofmanipulation.
Right, because the less I, themore you give me, the less
valuable I see you.
Right, and this happens acrossthe board, this happens in
welfare states, this happens inevery arena.
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The more you give me, the lessvaluable I see you.
And then I have to continue todiminish you to make you want to
give me more.
Right To, to, to make up, makeup for the loss.
Like you know, I, you were at ahundred, and then you gave,
gave, gave, gave, gave, and nowyou at 85.
(28:29):
And it's like God, you, only,you can only do 85%.
Now you can only give me, youknow, $85 versus a hundred
dollars.
Man, what's wrong with you?
What's going on, man?
Are you all right, you know?
And he started making you thinkthat maybe something's wrong.
And so now you got to giveanother $50 to try to make up
the fact that I can only give$85.
It's like no, listen, let metell you something.
(28:52):
I tell my best friend, my bestfriend, if you got to go to the
hospital, you can absolutelycall me, but at the end of it,
I'm a BL2.
And so make sure you got somegas money when I come pick you
up.
We'll be on the way, but makesure you got some gas money
because I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, well, you know the term of the word acquiesce
is probably a little, acquiesceis probably a little, I don't
know.
It has a little bit more leewayand margin than agreement.
You can acquiesce and acquiesceand acquiesce and it goes from
(29:32):
100 to 85 to 70 to 50 to 40 to20, because you made the mistake
of acquiescing in the firstplace and so you're giving
ground when you acquiesce andacquiesce, by the way me, means
to silently and or passivelyaccept or agree or comply when
(29:55):
someone protests right so so yousilently or passively agree or
comply with.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Someone is protesting okay, all right, I'll do it.
Okay, let me see what I can do.
Oh, you know, I get it.
I know how bad things are rightnow, let me give right, right,
and then you're done for.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Okay, because I got this.
Now, if I push this button andin Scientology you know you have
buttons, buttons of buttons aswell is okay.
If I push this button and I saythis, they'll feel guilty.
(30:40):
If I push this button and I saythis, they'll feel that they
need to be sympathetic If I pushthis button.
I know this.
One time this happened and I'vebeen using it for years to get
you to do this.
And so you acquiesce.
And you acquiesce becauseyou're giving up and you're
(31:02):
saying I agree to a differentform of reciprocity than should
be fair to me and should be fairto you.
That is fair exchange, andwe've talked about this in other
podcasts.
The four types of exchangeYou've got fair exchange.
You've got fair exchange.
You've got criminal exchange.
You've got exchange inabundance or just no exchange at
(31:26):
all.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No exchange right.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, and so that's where reciprocity comes in, is
it has to be at a minimum fairexchange, and that doesn't mean
financially, that meanssomething else.
Go ahead, glenn exchange.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And that doesn't mean financially, that means
something else.
Go ahead, glenn, for sure.
And I give exchange inabundance to the fourth dynamic
right, what we're doing rightnow the fact that we're sitting
here three, four times a week,depending on our schedules and
stuff we come up with thesepodcasts, we do our research, we
dive in, we draw on this ourwealth of knowledge.
(32:02):
We're giving exchange andabundance to the people who want
to view this and watch this orwhatever the case may be.
We give exchange and abundancebecause that's given to our
fourth dynamic right, tohumanity.
And we want this content andthese messages and the breakdown
and the conversations aroundLRH materials.
We want that to be out there sothat humanity can benefit from
(32:27):
that right.
When I come back on my thirddynamic, it's all about fair
exchange.
Second dynamic it's all aboutfair exchange.
Like I can't require, justbecause you're listening to this
, I can't require you to give tome directly, right?
So it has to be exchange inabundance on that level, because
(32:47):
I don't know you.
If you're just sitting herelistening to this podcast, I
might not know you and thepeople who I'm close to,
business dealings, yada, yada,yada.
I want my money, I expect it tobe done.
I expect it to be handled.
I expect it to be an evenexchange in what we do.
When I'm dealing with my seconddynamic, right in the kitchen
(33:09):
right now, cooking dinner whileI'm making money, while I'm
doing, I expect there to be afair exchange for all that I
give and all that I do inrelationship.
I want there to be a fairexchange of that and vice versa.
I don't ever want my partner tofeel like you don't get enough,
you don't get, you don't.
(33:30):
You don't have enough, you'renot happy enough, you don't have
enough.
Whatever it is that you feelyou need or want, I make sure
you are good.
You make sure I'm good.
Second dynamic what are we sureyou are good?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
you make sure I'm good second dynamic, what we
doing right.
That goes with my son too, who'son the second dynamic yeah,
well, one of the things thatI've uh, you know, I've seen on
the well, third, third, but morefourth dynamic, and I I think I
mentioned it in a in a podcastbefore, but when I made the
Meeta Reads film back in 2013, Imade sure that I got a accurate
(34:07):
agreement through as manypeople who had been technically
trained both in the church andsome outside of the church, and
I listed all of those people.
As you know, these weresupporters who agreed yeah, this
is what this read looks likeand everything like that,
because I knew I needed to havesome sort of insurance on it.
It isn't just what I say.
(34:27):
This is because we don't haveLRH to say what these things are
are, and it was something thatdidn't exist in the field, and
it is by far the most viewedvideo aogp has ever created.
We're at like 20 000 somethingviews now over yeah, over 10
years on.
And when I produced that videoand this isn't was an
(34:51):
interesting phenomenon when Ithat video, I got a shit ton of
hate mail.
This isn't right.
Why didn't you do this?
That's not an FN and I had thisinsurance.
I had class 12 flag-trainedauditors pre-Golden Age of Tech,
tech before everything changedin the church, review it and
(35:12):
tell me.
I even had dan coon, who wasworked with lrh on a daily basis
in person, no degree ofseparation, and he said you've
done it, this is exactly whatthe field needs.
This is perfect, very well done.
And I still had haters.
(35:32):
And what was the exchange?
What was the reciprocity there?
I've even had I had hypha org,uh and and their independence in
in israel.
They asked me you know if, if Icould send them a copy of it so
they could put it on DVD andthey could use it in a course
room.
And what was the reciprocitythere?
(35:57):
Well, for me it was needed andwanted by the field.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
For sure, and it was exchange in abundance.
You sat there and spent thetime to produce an actual video
that, in this case, seemed to bedvd worthy on some level.
So I, I, absolutely love that.
But haters gonna hate like that, that's that's they exchange,
that's what they give.
They give hate, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Right and so it typifies what we're.
What we're talking about isright, you know.
Fourth, dynamically, this isthe thing that it, that that
needs to be done and at the theviews that it's gotten, I can
see that they've watched it solong and everything you used it
when you, when you were here uh,yeah, doing the meters course
(36:47):
right.
Our, our own students use it andeverything.
But you know the the the pointis is that you you have to be
willing to put yourself outthere, but don't expect anything
in return other than the factthat you know what you did was
the best you could do and wasright for everyone, despite what
(37:10):
anybody else would say.
And don't step off that point.
You have to have your ownresolve and go.
I did everything I could, Imade sure it was.
I spent three months on thatand it's not something that I'm
hung up on, but it just blew meaway how people could say well,
you need to fix this, you needto add this, and it's like what
(37:34):
are you?
What are you giving in return?
What are you bringing to thetable on this?
so don't much by the sound of itno, I'm not not much by the
sound of it and you know I don'thear it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't hear anything about it now, but it still gets
used and on youtube it's it'sthe most viewed video we have to
date, by far let me say this II hear a lot of people say you
know, you do things withoutexpecting anything in return, or
you do things without I expecteverything, I expect it, I
expect it, I expect it, I expectit, I expect it, I expect it, I
(38:10):
expect it.
The word expectation,expectation, expectatio,
expectare which basically meansyou want something to come out
of for what you've done, and soI want, I expect what I've done,
I expect something out of it.
Now, in every breath I take, Iexpect, I expect to inhale.
(38:35):
Now, sometimes it might nothappen, and you know, knock on
wood, it continues to happen fora long time, because I want to
keep breathing, but I expect tobreathe every time I breathe in
and every time I breathe out.
There is nothing in my lifethat I go into without expecting
something out of it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Nothing, and we did a podcast on assumptions and
expectations not long ago.
And reciprocity is how muchbecause you've only got so many
days, years, whatever, in thislife with this body?
And how much are you puttingforth to to other things where
(39:20):
there is either no return,because you know that's the way
you want it, or there is someexchange in some form, hopefully
fair exchange or exchange inabundance, but reciprocity.
You have to take that intoconsideration because if
something or someone is notwilling to reciprocate, is it a
(39:41):
good investment?
So you have to pay attention tothat, depending on what the
tone level is of the person thatyou're dealing with, and if you
do that you won't be at anegative sum, result, balance,
gain.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You just hit it, you just said it.
It's the tone level and it's soimportant.
That's why I said it earlierHaters gonna hate, because
that's what they do.
That's why Cat Williams saidthat.
He said haters gonna hate,that's what they do.
That's what Cat Williams said.
He said haters go hate, that'swhat they do.
They hate.
It's the tone level.
And so you as a sane, as ahopefully well-functioning
(40:31):
mentally, physically,financially, emotionally person,
you're going to spot whensomebody is not operating at
your emotional tone level.
Right, you're going to spotwhen somebody is not operating
at the level that you wish to,and therefore you get to decide
who you're going to communicatewith.
This is why LRH said in theCode of Honor only give or
(40:52):
receive communication if youself-desire it.
I'm not giving you anything ifI don't desire to give it to you
.
I don't care what it is, itcould be a last breath.
I ain't giving it to you if Idon't desire to give it to you.
And so the idea here is that youwant to make sure that you're
(41:12):
connecting with people that areoperating at your tone level or
above.
Hear me, this is very important.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your tone
level or above.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your
financial level or above.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your
emotional intelligence level orabove.
(41:37):
This is extremely importantbecause if you're not, you're
deciding to ingest parasites.
So if I put a plate oftapeworms down and you know
these things are parasites,would you eat them?
No, you wouldn't.
It would be disgusting to you,it would be nasty.
(42:00):
You need to look at people likethat.
You're a tapeworm.
I'm sorry I get on these rants.
Sorry guys, that's very true.
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
But yeah, because I mean we're always falling into
contracts and you know we quiteoften fall into uneducated
contracts and those contractstend to go against us at times.
So yeah, that's a good point ofview.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah Well, and I mentioned this in so many
podcasts and it's a toughie totake, but you, you know, the
only thing you can be guilty of,per lrh, is being there and
communicating who?
Who were you talking to in thatroom?
Who were you talking to in thattext?
Who did you sign that contractwith?
And you you either ignored,didn't know, or knew what you,
(42:52):
what it was that you weredealing with.
And you know, I understand thedidn't know.
But the thing is is, if you knowyour emotional tone scale and
you know your chart of humanability and what people do with
communication, you can literallylook in that communications
column where you say x and theythink Y.
I've seen that so many timesjust this week alone and it
(43:19):
blindsides me because youhaven't been around, you haven't
dealt with a person long enoughto really get a good sample, a
good database of how they behaveon certain issues.
And then you look back on itand they said X, you thought Y
because there was no way in theworld they could actually mean
(43:40):
that.
And well, I just I put it rightout there for you, it's right
in front of you, and then you go.
You meant this when you saidthat Because it would be
unconscionable, that it wasdouble the cost, double the cost
.
Well, I told you about it,uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, no,
(44:01):
no, no, no, no, there's no way.
So you have to be careful andyou have to ask questions and
don't just think that it's allsunshine, rainbows and unicorns.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And catch this.
You even got to be that careful, really, to be honest with you.
You just got to be clear, LikeI say all the time and anybody
who watches podcasts for alength of time knows like you
says, the higher your standards,the better your life, Right.
And so you really don't evenhave to be careful with dealing
with people.
You just got to be clear indealing with them.
I'm not tiptoeing through thetulips just to come see you.
(44:39):
I'm not doing that.
I'm letting you know right now.
This is who I am.
This is what I'm trying tocreate in my life.
This is the experience that Idesire to have.
If that is agreeable with you,come on board and let's
co-create this thing together.
But if it's not, I'm nottiptoeing through the tulips.
Listen, I have very highstandards in how I operate and
(45:03):
it's not something that I feelany kind of way about.
I just think it's a wonderfulthing to be and I want the same
thing for everybody I deal with.
I want you to hold me to a highstandard right, I want you to
hold me accountable yeah, yeahperiod yeah, this is where I'm
coming even even scripture sayseven scripture says in proverbs
the fool hates discipline, thefool hates uh uh discipline.
(45:29):
And so if if you got somebodywho don't like being disciplined
, then they are and you need totreat them as such.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well and absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Like LRH says, when you start to put order into an
area, confusion blows off, andif they're disagreeing with that
order, okay, then I know.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Just confusion, Right right.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Then I know what.
It's.
Just confusion, Right right.
Then I know what's going on.
So if you can agree by theseterms and Arthur says this a lot
the T's and C's, terms andconditions, If you can agree, if
you can agree to these T's andC's, then we shall proceed.
If you cannot agree to theseT's and C's and you continue to
be out ethics and want somethingfor nothing, Out exchange.
(46:14):
Out exchange.
Well then, okay, now we knowwhat the reality is.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Right.
And if you want to be acriminal, then let's treat you
like a criminal, I'm okay.
I'm okay with that.
The criminals exist andeverybody is not going to be,
you know, a saint walking onGod's green earth.
I totally understand.
If you want to be a criminal,then let's.
Let's treat you as a criminal.
If you want to take from mewithout giving back, if you want
(46:41):
to take from me withoutexchange, you're stealing,
you're taking without therebeing some reciprocity.
And if you want to be acriminal, I will treat you like
a criminal.
Some reciprocity.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
And if you want to be a criminal, I will treat you
like a criminal.
Right Rights are earned.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yes, and good people have rights.
Good people have rights.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Good people have rights.
That's true, and yourdefinition of good is what you
put out there and say this iswhat I will accept.
That is fair exchange, that isreciprocity, and if that person
can't or persons can't do that,then you know, okay, I need to
surround myself with differentpeople in my orbit and vice
versa in their orbit, and that'sit.
So there has to bereciprocation.
(47:29):
I hope this has gotten acrossto people what we're talking
about.
But you need to surroundyourself with people who believe
in fair, or greater than fair,exchange and abundance, for
example, and you need to make itclear and known yes, because if
you don't, that's on you.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
It is.
And wouldn't it be wonderful,wouldn't it be wonderful if we
could get into relationships,friendships, partnerships,
family situations, businessrelationships, if we could get
into relationships where we beateach other, we try to beat each
other, giving.
Wouldn't it be great if I likeyou and you like me, and then
you want to give me some loveand I want to beat you.
(48:13):
You ain't going to outlove me,I'm going to outlove you, and
then the other person turnaround and try to outlove you?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if weget into business relationships
where we can outgrow ourbusinesses to each other and we
have this healthy competitionwith each other where it's like,
oh, you think you're doing well, let me show you what I can do.
(48:35):
My best friend used to tell mehe said Q man, his name is Jason
.
He said Q man, I love you, butI love you better, rich Right,
and we would joke about it.
And I loved it when he said itbecause it made me feel so
empowered to go out there andmake him love me better.
I want you to love me better.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
And that self, that self-worth, and you're, you're
granting each other thebeingness of what your
self-worth is, as opposed towhat it could be.
That's that much better, andand that's that's the best.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
And it's not putting each other down, like it's not
putting each other down andmaking you feel like, man, you
ain't doing nothing, you ain'tlike.
Come on, I'm not dealing withthat at all at all.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You better count your teeth yeah, that's a positive
reciprocity, sure.
So I hope everybody's enjoyedthis podcast.
We're gonna have to go uh busyday ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
All right, sorry if I got too excited.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's okay, pastor Q.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
The Bible says Hallelujah.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
So, for Quentin and Arthur and myself, we'll see you
soon for another podcast, earlyin the week.
Namaste, and we love you.
Bye, bye, peace, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Thank you, thank you.
all right, welcome to installment number three of the
week of september.
Today is sunday, september 7th2025, and this is season 11,
episode 29.
Um, this is the thirdinstallment.
I'm here with quentin andarthur and we're going to do
(00:24):
this is a really hot mic.
We're just talking about this.
We're going to do sort of likean extension episode.
This has to do with exchange,lrh's degrees of exchange.
We're looking at it from theviewpoint of reciprocity and
this is a very, very key thingfor people and I want to define
(00:49):
what reciprocity is, and it's aterm LRH uses a lot and
reciprocity is a noun and it'sdefined as these three
definitions the practice ofexchanging things with others
for mutual benefit, a situationor relationship in which two
parties grant each otherequivalent privileges, rights or
(01:09):
services.
Number three in general usage,it refers to mutual dependence,
give and take or balancedexchange in social, economic or
legal contexts.
Now, the derivation of this,the etymology, is from Latin
reciprocis quote, turning back.
The same way, unquote, whichcame into medieval Latin as
(01:31):
reciprocitis, meaning quote, thequality of returning in kind,
unquote.
So that is reciprocity.
And or reciprocation where thereis a, a mutual benefit, and
this is something I mean.
There's been a lot of thisgoing on, uh, for me here in
(01:56):
south africa, uh, and we can getinto that, but um quentin was
hot to uh get started so that wedidn't lose the.
You know the magic of what wewere talking about.
So for sure, I'll let you, I'lllet you lead on this, since you
had some things that you wantedto say, and then I'm sure we'll
this'll go a bunch of differentdirections really quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Sure, well, you know.
First of all, I want to saythat reciprocity in any flows,
any of your flows, is going tobe extremely necessary in order
for anything to work.
Whether it be your heartpumping blood, right, the blood
goes out, the blood comes in,the blood goes out, the blood
comes in.
That keeps your life functionsoperating, whether it be
(02:39):
inhaling and exhaling out and in, out and in and exhaling, you
know, out and in, out and out in.
And so in every functionalliving system, reciprocity or
the what is it?
What's the definition?
Say, the turning and comingback in, or to turn back in, or
turning back the same way,turning back the same way.
So I go breathe out and Ibreathe in.
(03:01):
You know, I like like.
It has to happen, it has to bethe case.
And when, in any livingfunctional situation, when there
is not reciprocity, when thereis not two-way communication,
when there is not a fairexchange, you're going to have
dysfunction, you're going tohave a cancerous or parasitic
(03:22):
type relationship or situation,and this thing can be extremely
dangerous to your life.
And we're talking to very vaguein general, but I'm gonna give
some specifics as I go along,because I want people to
understand that, when it comesto reciprocity, it is a
necessity, not an allowance.
I'm not allowing, I'm nottolerating this lack of
(03:45):
reciprocity.
In my experience, there has tobe fair exchange or else already
I can see you nodding and it'sand it's interesting going
through the proteas course aswell.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
um, lrh points out that if, if the communication
flow is only going one way,whether it's out or whether it's
in, it's going to causeaberration, and it's interesting
how you just put it.
Then, quinton as well, it's gotto be a full comm cycle, it's
got to go two ways, which goesback to the derivative backwards
(04:18):
and forwards, moving forwardsand moving backwards, moving
forwards and moving backwards.
So it's quite a mechanicalapproach in a way as well, in a
sense, but then also spirituallytoo.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
yeah, that was really well said, quentin, yeah yeah,
for sure, yeah, that's, andthat's.
That's the thing is, is it hasto be a balanced flow.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think that, yeah, I think that, ultimately, when
people get into relationships orpeople have these experiences
in life, sometimes the emotionscan preclude what it is that
we're really doing.
Here.
We're surviving, right.
(05:05):
The principle of existence perLRH is survival, and we're all
trying to survive and or thrivein our own experiences, and that
goes from the parasite.
The parasite is trying tosurvive, the bacteria is trying
to survive just as much as I am.
But you're not just going tokeep taking from me.
(05:27):
Right, I'm going to, I'm goingto have to eliminate that which
is not adding to my survival,and I'm very clear about that.
You know, I just think thatpeople have this idea that
because I feel something, itmakes survival less valuable.
I don't know what.
I don't know what.
I don't know what that I don'tknow what it is.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and and when?
When you let's put it this waywhen a person cares to the nth
degree, that is when you seeothers take who are not in the
position that you are in.
So, if you're kind and you havea and I'm I'm using
(06:10):
non-scientological terms on thiswhen you are kind, others will
take advantage of you.
When you have, you have givenand, like we said, this has to
do with the I've given and, likewe said, this has to do with
the others have to.
I kind of lost my train ofthought here because I'm
(06:31):
thinking faster than I can talk.
They will take advantage of youbecause they see that you are
generous and you are kind, andbecause you are kind, you will
keep letting them do thatbecause you can't say no.
And we talked about one of thepodcasts, the no drill, where
you don't want to say no because, well, you don't want to offend
(06:55):
, you don't want to hurt, youdon't this, you don't that, and
so you have to put your footdown and say okay, what is it
that you bring to the table?
I've had many instances of thisthis week alone.
Go ahead, quinn.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Sure, sure, that's a yeah.
What is it that you bring tothe table?
I don't want to die.
I want to be kind, but I don'twant to die.
I don't want to die.
I want to be kind, but I don'twant to die.
I don't want to atrophy, Idon't want to lessen in my
functionality and who I am as afunctional being and so sure.
(07:34):
I don't want to be unkind, andI don't think that that is the
other side of the coin.
I just think that when thingsare going a certain way, what we
want to do is we want to bringorder, and we talked about this
in the last podcast when wetalked about word clearing and
stuff.
We want to bring order to it.
(07:54):
One of the ugliest phrases, oneof the ugliest phrases I've
heard in a long time is randomacts of kindness.
Have you heard that phrase?
Random acts of kindness?
It's so ugly to me because inwhat universe do we want to
tolerate massive randomness orrandomity?
No, we don't want.
We want some balance to it, andso I'm a very kind person, but
(08:17):
I'm kind in order.
I'm kind with order, I'm kindwith fair exchange.
I told my son this my son wouldcome to me and he'll be like oh
dad, can you buy me these shoes?
Oh dad, can you give me thesegames?
Oh dad, can you give meda-da-da-da?
And I told him this.
I said I will never tell you.
No, I will always ask you how.
(08:39):
So if you say, dad, can you buyme shoes, my question is how
you gonna get them.
I can buy them, sure.
How you gonna get them.
I, I can buy you shoes.
How you go, how you gonna getthem if I buy, if I buy they, my
shoes, how you getting them?
(09:00):
right that's my first question.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think.
Also when it comes to kindness,though, I think sometimes we
fall into the trap of having anexpected result as well, as
opposed to being able to seereciprocity versus having an
expectation that reciprocitywill be met if you do something,
having an expectation thatreciprocity will be met if you
do something, hence the randomacts of kindness.
(09:28):
People may believe that, okay,if I do something good, then
something good will come back tome, but it's, it's an
open-ended kind of thing.
It's not, um, it's not a, it'snot definitely created, it's.
It's not a definite reciprocity, it's a reciprocity with a
question mark attached to it.
Something may happen in return,something may come back in
(09:50):
return, as opposed to actuallymaking the reciprocity occur and
setting yourself up for properrest.
And I've fallen into this trapmany times where I felt if I did
something for someone, thenthey will do something for me,
and then, after a while, thenyou fall into the tip of hang on
I've been doing this, this,this, this and this, but all I'm
(10:11):
getting is peanuts in return.
Now, whose fault is that, mineor the other?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
person's.
Here's a Q-ism.
Here's one of my Q-isms.
Random reciprocity is a recipefor disaster.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yes, Another saying expectations equal premeditated
resentment, because you do fallinto a sense of resentment.
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, and another one is the road to success.
Is the road to success withgood intentions Right?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think that I think that we are, we're, we're, we're
kind of building this idea that, as independent Scientologists,
we understand a goodcommunication cycle, we
understand good control Start,change, stop.
We understand that anythingthat is out of control is a
cancer, anything that's out ofcontrol is an accident, is
(11:10):
hazardous to our health, to ourwell-being, to our relationships
, to our finances, to our life,and so there has to be some good
control put in, start, changeand stop in order to make things
actually exist well and I justthink that that's true, yeah and
to make it a complete cycle.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You've got to be the cause and effect to some degree
yeah, yeah and and see, there'sa rose, there's, there's
pre-recipro, and that is whatyou guys just mentioned is
communication.
Do you have agreement?
If you can't get that agreement, then you're already setting
(11:55):
yourself up for it being anegative sum exchange for
something that you're doing.
I'll give you an example ofwhere that is not the case.
Uh, that that happened thisweek.
Uh, we had uh two uh workersthat worked our residence and
(12:24):
both of them became unemployedwhen I moved and this is this
was, you know, several weeks agoand the gardener got fired by
the landlord because I gave thegardener a freezer, a storage
(12:46):
freezer in the garage, and Isaid you can have this.
He wanted to buy it from me.
It was too much and I thoughtI'm not using it, I'll just go
ahead and give it to him.
But the landlord fired himbecause he wanted the freezer
instead.
Now, the gardener did get it, hedid get the freezer, but he
lost his job.
I can't make this sort of thingup.
(13:09):
And he had been employed withthis this homeowner who we were
renting from for six years andhas a newborn baby and a wife
that he's trying to support.
So I took, took him to thegrocery store and I got him some
groceries because he was reallylow on his groceries.
Now the reciprocity there Ididn't expect anything in return
(13:30):
.
It wasn't very much, I mean,you know, in US dollars, because
money for food here goes a longway and the reciprocity for me
was make sure you feed your baby.
The reciprocity for me was makesure you feed your baby, make
sure you feed your wife, and thesame thing held true for the
(13:55):
domestic or the maid that we hadwhen I moved.
She was no longer employed andI gave her a full month's salary
, with her only working twoweeks.
But things came up and she wasout of money for food.
So we took her out and got hergroceries and both of these
(14:17):
people thanked us their husband,her husband thanked, uh, you
know, gave an acknowledgementfor the groceries and everything
.
And, um, the gardener, after hegot home, rode his bike home
with the groceries, sent amessage and wanted to know how
thankful he was and how much heappreciated the support and the
(14:38):
reciprocity there was.
If, if, can, I should, andthat's the exchange.
That's all I ask for is becauseif you're taking KRC for
something and you know that youcan help in what were dire
situations for both of theseindividuals.
That's the exchange is okay.
(15:03):
This helps you out.
Go forth and find a new job,type of a thing.
So to me that's okay.
If you're okay doing that andit isn't that much money, go
ahead.
Quentin, I know I see you wantto say something.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, and I think that that's amazing, and I think that
that view confidently is whatwe need to help make the world a
better place.
To a certain extent, I am ofthecity that is present Right.
(15:51):
So for me and no invalidationto what you did I think it's
amazing.
For me, my first thing wouldhave been when can you do X?
When can you do Y do X, whencan you do Y?
Right?
So I know you need, I know youneed groceries today and I have
no problem getting you groceriesbecause that's obviously a very
(16:11):
dire and urgent thing.
We'll get the groceries today.
Can you come over on Saturdayand do the laundry, or can you
come over on on on on Sunday and, you know, trim the trees, if
that's what you need, orwhatever it may be.
Can you help me get some stuffout of storage when I get ready
to move some stuff in my storageunit or whatever, wherever that
becomes an agreement.
(16:33):
We have a new thing that we'recreating here and it's a
functional relationship.
It's a relationship that'sbased on something that's gonna
work for both of us.
So I definitely agree thathelping people when they need
help is there.
That does not take away thatthere is an underlying truth
that we all live by, and we'rehere to help each other.
(16:54):
We're here to help each otherand that's where we, I think,
can gain the most value.
Lrh says in the marriage coursehe talks about, when you take
responsibilities away from theother person, you make them more
and more criminal right.
When you take theresponsibilities away from the
other person and that goes withrelationships and partners, that
(17:18):
goes in business relationshipsand that goes in families when
the responsibility is no longeron the child to clean their room
, for example the child becomescriminal right and then they
start acting more and more likea criminal right Takey, takey,
takey, takey, takey.
But when you give the childresponsibilities, when you give
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them things that they have to doin order to get to what they
want, get where they where theywant, they become more
responsible.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Right Arthur.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I think you have to be careful on how you do things.
In a sense of people like Ihave no issue doing good things,
but I've also learned that ifI'm going to do something good,
it's because I've chosen to doit full stop.
I have no expectation ofsomething in return.
I have no expectation ofanything like that.
(18:19):
I have no expectation ofsomething in return.
I have no expectation ofanything like that.
But then there are times whereI'm creating like a contract in
a sense, where you know, okay, Iwill do something for something
in return.
And I think it's reallyimportant to be clear on where
you sit in that kind of thing,because, like, if you're going
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to do something and then expectsomething to happen or to come
back to you, then you've alreadyfailed, and so I think it's
it's really important.
If you're going to do a randomact of kindness, so to speak, it
remains a random act ofkindness.
That's it do it and then forgetabout it.
You know, don't do it and then,and then think that, um, it's
(19:03):
okay, you need to have somethingin return.
Um, and I think it's.
You've got to be quite clear onhow you approach things, in the
sense of I'm actually doingsomething because I want
something in return.
Make that clear, communicate it, create a deal, that kind of
thing.
If you're going to do somethingfor the because you just want
to, then it stays there thattime in your past.
(19:25):
You know.
It's not something you goforward saying, well, I did this
and I did that.
So therefore you know I wantsomething in return because then
you didn't do a good act.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Ultimately, um, you did something with an intention
and a preconceived future rewardyeah, that pay it forward kind
of thing you know is, you know,do this for somebody else when
you're in a position to do that,and and I think that those and
I actually don't think there'sanything wrong with those things
.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think they they're beautiful things to do, and I
think, but at the same time, youknow, in some cases it's like
asking a lion to become avegetarian.
You know, you've got to reallybe careful where things.
You know what I mean, becausethere are a lot of lions out
there and there are a lot of umcheats.
(20:21):
I suppose I don't know what therobots to use are, um, but
people ever their own survivalneeds, whatever they are, and as
far as survival goes, peoplewill do the most heinous things,
um, to survive, you know, andin such situations even eat
other humans if they have to,you know, and that's an extreme
level.
(20:41):
But then what about a lesserlevel, where somebody's trying
to pay their rent, somebody'strying to pay their phone bill,
somebody's trying to put food onthe table?
You know, everybody's a monkeyin the lion's, yeah and yeah, I
think your mic's yeah, you'remuted oh go
Speaker 1 (21:03):
ahead, jonathan.
Well, I I was.
I was just going to say thatwhere, where we started off this
and we're on a little bit of aside rail was this that it needs
to be communicated what?
What is it that you're doing?
And quentin said you know, okay, well, this is this is this is
this is the agreement, this iswhat we're we're going to do,
(21:24):
and and if, if you don't do that, then you're setting yourself
up for something because itwasn't put out there and we've
had this in other podcasts.
You know, get it in writing thatI'm doing this and you're going
to do that, because, and if youand when in writing could could
be, it could be audio recorded,it could be video recorded with
(21:44):
audio, or it could be righttext message or whatever.
These are, these are my uhgrounds for this and what we're
agreeing to.
But you also have to know whoit is that you're dealing with,
whether they're mature enough,whether they're responsible
enough.
You know those.
Those are qualifying factors,and if you, if you don't do that
(22:05):
and you're dealing withsomebody who isn't those things,
you're going to end up at thethin end of the wedge and be
under pressure because it'sgoing to be expected.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
For sure.
You know, I, my son's, my son'ssisters, they're twins and when
they were like three or fourand you know, a three or four
year old can't do much in life,you know what I mean.
They just kind of walk aroundand be cuter, be messy or
whatever they do Right.
And my son, the sisters, wouldcome up to me, the twins, and
(22:39):
they would want something.
I would have some candy or Ihave something, or whatever.
And they would say, oh, can Ihave a piece?
And I would say, well, let meask your mother.
So I asked mom, you know, hey,is it okay if the girls have a
piece of candy?
And she would say yes, and Iwould.
My next statement to the twinsthree years old, four years old,
is and what do I get?
I is, and what do I get?
(23:03):
I do like this what do I get toa three or four-year-old?
And they were like I don't know.
I said, go find me something.
Ooh, get me a flower, I want aflower.
And they would run around thehouse, run around the house when
I saw it and grab a flower, andthey would come back and bring
me a flower and they would getcandy.
I do this in everything.
I do this in everything.
You don't get candy until I geta flower Right, because at that
(23:28):
maturity level they could findflowers Right.
Right or rock or whatever,exactly, exactly, and so you
give them.
Obviously you have to assess.
As an intelligent person, youwould want to assess what the
situation is going to grant theopportunity it grants them, but
you find something that theygive.
(23:48):
And, because I say this all thetime, what's good for the goose
has to be good for the gander.
It can't just be about you boo,it can't Right.
And so whatever you get, it hasto benefit all of us somehow.
So if you get some new shoes orif you get a new game I'm
talking thinking about my son ifyou get some shoes or you get a
new game, then how is thatgoing to benefit me?
(24:10):
What I'm gonna do with it,right?
So then?
So now it has to be somethingthat I need and want.
You know what?
That pantry, the kitchen, thepantry in the kitchen, has been
in disarray for months.
Go ahead and hook that up realquick.
I got you and he was like man.
I said listen.
(24:30):
You said man, like I'm doingyou wrong, I'm getting you a
game, right, and he would comeback and he would finally get it
done after complaining, youknow, whatever, whatever, but
yeah, and he would come back andhe would finally get it done
after complaining.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You know, whatever, whatever.
But yeah, yeah, and it's true,because, like, even for you to
be at the point to just buyshoes, as an example, you know
you've already reciprocated yourrole to have the ability to be
able to purchase those things.
And then, if you're just goingto give that away, then where's
the reciprocity there?
And I suppose, thinking aboutit while we're discussing it,
(25:01):
reciprocity occurs in so manydifferent ways an exchange of
money through work, exchange ofservice, services and money,
like they're all you know.
It's a form of reciprocity.
You don't go to the supermarketand just grab whatever you want
off the shelf and walk out.
You've got to exchange what,what you've already created
through some kind of reciprocity.
(25:23):
You know, providing a personservice and then to to just give
it away, then that's, that'sthe danger zone, depending on
how you give it away.
But I like your idea itdiminishes you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It diminishes you and it diminishes you in the eye of
the receiver, because now youare less your work, your, your
life, blood, your energy, yourblood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You're burning the midnight oil that becomes less
valuable because all I have todo is say I need shoes right and
and this is this is one of thethings that I wanted to bring up
in this, in this podcast isbecause you'll get those
individuals who will reduce youand if you go into that
(26:07):
agreement of that reduction ofwho you are, what you are, what
you do, so that they can thenbenefit off of you having to
quote, unquote, make up thedamages that are persistent,
only because that is theviewpoint that they are trying
to get you to agree to, thatreduces your own self-worth and
(26:30):
you feel like, well, I need topropitiate, I need to do some
things for you.
You see this all the time, withbeings who are using your
kindness, your high-toneness,against you, because you will
take on this guilt for what itis that you supposedly have done
(26:54):
and you agree to it.
So you're oh, I'm sorry, let me, let me do this and let me do
this and let me do this, andit's like you're already a
parent, you're already a son,you're already a daughter.
Whatever the situation, you'realready a business partner.
In some situations where, if youknow that you're doing
(27:14):
everything that you can do, youneed to, power is the ability to
hold a position in space.
Per lrh, and it's true.
Why is it that you're believingthis stuff that you're being
told, so that there is an unfairreciprocation, whether it be
money, power, goods, services,whatever it is.
(27:35):
You don't have to believe thatsort of thing and you need to be
very on point to see that if itoccurs, because you see it a
lot.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, yeah, because it.
Oh, good, no, that's right.
Good, I was going to say Right,and I totally agree, because it
then falls into the province ofmanipulation.
Right, because the less I, themore you give me, the less
valuable I see you.
Right, and this happens acrossthe board, this happens in
welfare states, this happens inevery arena.
(28:08):
The more you give me, the lessvaluable I see you.
And then I have to continue todiminish you to make you want to
give me more.
Right To, to, to make up, makeup for the loss.
Like you know, I, you were at ahundred, and then you gave,
gave, gave, gave, gave, and nowyou at 85.
(28:29):
And it's like God, you, only,you can only do 85%.
Now you can only give me, youknow, $85 versus a hundred
dollars.
Man, what's wrong with you?
What's going on, man?
Are you all right, you know?
And he started making you thinkthat maybe something's wrong.
And so now you got to giveanother $50 to try to make up
the fact that I can only give$85.
It's like no, listen, let metell you something.
(28:52):
I tell my best friend, my bestfriend, if you got to go to the
hospital, you can absolutelycall me, but at the end of it,
I'm a BL2.
And so make sure you got somegas money when I come pick you
up.
We'll be on the way, but makesure you got some gas money
because I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, well, you know the term of the word acquiesce
is probably a little, acquiesceis probably a little, I don't
know.
It has a little bit more leewayand margin than agreement.
You can acquiesce and acquiesceand acquiesce and it goes from
(29:32):
100 to 85 to 70 to 50 to 40 to20, because you made the mistake
of acquiescing in the firstplace and so you're giving
ground when you acquiesce andacquiesce, by the way me, means
to silently and or passivelyaccept or agree or comply when
(29:55):
someone protests right so so yousilently or passively agree or
comply with.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Someone is protesting okay, all right, I'll do it.
Okay, let me see what I can do.
Oh, you know, I get it.
I know how bad things are rightnow, let me give right, right,
and then you're done for.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Okay, because I got this.
Now, if I push this button andin Scientology you know you have
buttons, buttons of buttons aswell is okay.
If I push this button and I saythis, they'll feel guilty.
(30:40):
If I push this button and I saythis, they'll feel that they
need to be sympathetic If I pushthis button.
I know this.
One time this happened and I'vebeen using it for years to get
you to do this.
And so you acquiesce.
And you acquiesce becauseyou're giving up and you're
(31:02):
saying I agree to a differentform of reciprocity than should
be fair to me and should be fairto you.
That is fair exchange, andwe've talked about this in other
podcasts.
The four types of exchangeYou've got fair exchange.
You've got fair exchange.
You've got criminal exchange.
You've got exchange inabundance or just no exchange at
(31:26):
all.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No exchange right.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, and so that's where reciprocity comes in, is
it has to be at a minimum fairexchange, and that doesn't mean
financially, that meanssomething else.
Go ahead, glenn exchange.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And that doesn't mean financially, that means
something else.
Go ahead, glenn, for sure.
And I give exchange inabundance to the fourth dynamic
right, what we're doing rightnow the fact that we're sitting
here three, four times a week,depending on our schedules and
stuff we come up with thesepodcasts, we do our research, we
dive in, we draw on this ourwealth of knowledge.
(32:02):
We're giving exchange andabundance to the people who want
to view this and watch this orwhatever the case may be.
We give exchange and abundancebecause that's given to our
fourth dynamic right, tohumanity.
And we want this content andthese messages and the breakdown
and the conversations aroundLRH materials.
We want that to be out there sothat humanity can benefit from
(32:27):
that right.
When I come back on my thirddynamic, it's all about fair
exchange.
Second dynamic it's all aboutfair exchange.
Like I can't require, justbecause you're listening to this
, I can't require you to give tome directly, right?
So it has to be exchange inabundance on that level, because
(32:47):
I don't know you.
If you're just sitting herelistening to this podcast, I
might not know you and thepeople who I'm close to,
business dealings, yada, yada,yada.
I want my money, I expect it tobe done.
I expect it to be handled.
I expect it to be an evenexchange in what we do.
When I'm dealing with my seconddynamic, right in the kitchen
(33:09):
right now, cooking dinner whileI'm making money, while I'm
doing, I expect there to be afair exchange for all that I
give and all that I do inrelationship.
I want there to be a fairexchange of that and vice versa.
I don't ever want my partner tofeel like you don't get enough,
you don't get, you don't.
(33:30):
You don't have enough, you'renot happy enough, you don't have
enough.
Whatever it is that you feelyou need or want, I make sure
you are good.
You make sure I'm good.
Second dynamic what are we sureyou are good?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
you make sure I'm good second dynamic, what we
doing right.
That goes with my son too, who'son the second dynamic yeah,
well, one of the things thatI've uh, you know, I've seen on
the well, third, third, but morefourth dynamic, and I I think I
mentioned it in a in a podcastbefore, but when I made the
Meeta Reads film back in 2013, Imade sure that I got a accurate
(34:07):
agreement through as manypeople who had been technically
trained both in the church andsome outside of the church, and
I listed all of those people.
As you know, these weresupporters who agreed yeah, this
is what this read looks likeand everything like that,
because I knew I needed to havesome sort of insurance on it.
It isn't just what I say.
(34:27):
This is because we don't haveLRH to say what these things are
are, and it was something thatdidn't exist in the field, and
it is by far the most viewedvideo aogp has ever created.
We're at like 20 000 somethingviews now over yeah, over 10
years on.
And when I produced that videoand this isn't was an
(34:51):
interesting phenomenon when Ithat video, I got a shit ton of
hate mail.
This isn't right.
Why didn't you do this?
That's not an FN and I had thisinsurance.
I had class 12 flag-trainedauditors pre-Golden Age of Tech,
tech before everything changedin the church, review it and
(35:12):
tell me.
I even had dan coon, who wasworked with lrh on a daily basis
in person, no degree ofseparation, and he said you've
done it, this is exactly whatthe field needs.
This is perfect, very well done.
And I still had haters.
(35:32):
And what was the exchange?
What was the reciprocity there?
I've even had I had hypha org,uh and and their independence in
in israel.
They asked me you know if, if Icould send them a copy of it so
they could put it on DVD andthey could use it in a course
room.
And what was the reciprocitythere?
(35:57):
Well, for me it was needed andwanted by the field.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
For sure, and it was exchange in abundance.
You sat there and spent thetime to produce an actual video
that, in this case, seemed to bedvd worthy on some level.
So I, I, absolutely love that.
But haters gonna hate like that, that's that's they exchange,
that's what they give.
They give hate, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Right and so it typifies what we're.
What we're talking about isright, you know.
Fourth, dynamically, this isthe thing that it, that that
needs to be done and at the theviews that it's gotten, I can
see that they've watched it solong and everything you used it
when you, when you were here uh,yeah, doing the meters course
(36:47):
right.
Our, our own students use it andeverything.
But you know the the the pointis is that you you have to be
willing to put yourself outthere, but don't expect anything
in return other than the factthat you know what you did was
the best you could do and wasright for everyone, despite what
(37:10):
anybody else would say.
And don't step off that point.
You have to have your ownresolve and go.
I did everything I could, Imade sure it was.
I spent three months on thatand it's not something that I'm
hung up on, but it just blew meaway how people could say well,
you need to fix this, you needto add this, and it's like what
(37:34):
are you?
What are you giving in return?
What are you bringing to thetable on this?
so don't much by the sound of itno, I'm not not much by the
sound of it and you know I don'thear it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't hear anything about it now, but it still gets
used and on youtube it's it'sthe most viewed video we have to
date, by far let me say this II hear a lot of people say you
know, you do things withoutexpecting anything in return, or
you do things without I expecteverything, I expect it, I
expect it, I expect it, I expectit, I expect it, I expect it, I
(38:10):
expect it.
The word expectation,expectation, expectatio,
expectare which basically meansyou want something to come out
of for what you've done, and soI want, I expect what I've done,
I expect something out of it.
Now, in every breath I take, Iexpect, I expect to inhale.
(38:35):
Now, sometimes it might nothappen, and you know, knock on
wood, it continues to happen fora long time, because I want to
keep breathing, but I expect tobreathe every time I breathe in
and every time I breathe out.
There is nothing in my lifethat I go into without expecting
something out of it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Nothing, and we did a podcast on assumptions and
expectations not long ago.
And reciprocity is how muchbecause you've only got so many
days, years, whatever, in thislife with this body?
And how much are you puttingforth to to other things where
(39:20):
there is either no return,because you know that's the way
you want it, or there is someexchange in some form, hopefully
fair exchange or exchange inabundance, but reciprocity.
You have to take that intoconsideration because if
something or someone is notwilling to reciprocate, is it a
(39:41):
good investment?
So you have to pay attention tothat, depending on what the
tone level is of the person thatyou're dealing with, and if you
do that you won't be at anegative sum, result, balance,
gain.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You just hit it, you just said it.
It's the tone level and it's soimportant.
That's why I said it earlierHaters gonna hate, because
that's what they do.
That's why Cat Williams saidthat.
He said haters gonna hate,that's what they do.
That's what Cat Williams said.
He said haters go hate, that'swhat they do.
They hate.
It's the tone level.
And so you as a sane, as ahopefully well-functioning
(40:31):
mentally, physically,financially, emotionally person,
you're going to spot whensomebody is not operating at
your emotional tone level.
Right, you're going to spotwhen somebody is not operating
at the level that you wish to,and therefore you get to decide
who you're going to communicatewith.
This is why LRH said in theCode of Honor only give or
(40:52):
receive communication if youself-desire it.
I'm not giving you anything ifI don't desire to give it to you
.
I don't care what it is, itcould be a last breath.
I ain't giving it to you if Idon't desire to give it to you.
And so the idea here is that youwant to make sure that you're
(41:12):
connecting with people that areoperating at your tone level or
above.
Hear me, this is very important.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your tone
level or above.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your
financial level or above.
You want to connect with peoplewho are operating at your
emotional intelligence level orabove.
(41:37):
This is extremely importantbecause if you're not, you're
deciding to ingest parasites.
So if I put a plate oftapeworms down and you know
these things are parasites,would you eat them?
No, you wouldn't.
It would be disgusting to you,it would be nasty.
(42:00):
You need to look at people likethat.
You're a tapeworm.
I'm sorry I get on these rants.
Sorry guys, that's very true.
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
But yeah, because I mean we're always falling into
contracts and you know we quiteoften fall into uneducated
contracts and those contractstend to go against us at times.
So yeah, that's a good point ofview.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah Well, and I mentioned this in so many
podcasts and it's a toughie totake, but you, you know, the
only thing you can be guilty of,per lrh, is being there and
communicating who?
Who were you talking to in thatroom?
Who were you talking to in thattext?
Who did you sign that contractwith?
And you you either ignored,didn't know, or knew what you,
(42:52):
what it was that you weredealing with.
And you know, I understand thedidn't know.
But the thing is is, if you knowyour emotional tone scale and
you know your chart of humanability and what people do with
communication, you can literallylook in that communications
column where you say x and theythink Y.
I've seen that so many timesjust this week alone and it
(43:19):
blindsides me because youhaven't been around, you haven't
dealt with a person long enoughto really get a good sample, a
good database of how they behaveon certain issues.
And then you look back on itand they said X, you thought Y
because there was no way in theworld they could actually mean
(43:40):
that.
And well, I just I put it rightout there for you, it's right
in front of you, and then you go.
You meant this when you saidthat Because it would be
unconscionable, that it wasdouble the cost, double the cost
.
Well, I told you about it,uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, no,
(44:01):
no, no, no, no, there's no way.
So you have to be careful andyou have to ask questions and
don't just think that it's allsunshine, rainbows and unicorns.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And catch this.
You even got to be that careful, really, to be honest with you.
You just got to be clear, LikeI say all the time and anybody
who watches podcasts for alength of time knows like you
says, the higher your standards,the better your life, Right.
And so you really don't evenhave to be careful with dealing
with people.
You just got to be clear indealing with them.
I'm not tiptoeing through thetulips just to come see you.
(44:39):
I'm not doing that.
I'm letting you know right now.
This is who I am.
This is what I'm trying tocreate in my life.
This is the experience that Idesire to have.
If that is agreeable with you,come on board and let's
co-create this thing together.
But if it's not, I'm nottiptoeing through the tulips.
Listen, I have very highstandards in how I operate and
(45:03):
it's not something that I feelany kind of way about.
I just think it's a wonderfulthing to be and I want the same
thing for everybody I deal with.
I want you to hold me to a highstandard right, I want you to
hold me accountable yeah, yeahperiod yeah, this is where I'm
coming even even scripture sayseven scripture says in proverbs
the fool hates discipline, thefool hates uh uh discipline.
(45:29):
And so if if you got somebodywho don't like being disciplined
, then they are and you need totreat them as such.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well and absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Like LRH says, when you start to put order into an
area, confusion blows off, andif they're disagreeing with that
order, okay, then I know.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Just confusion, Right right.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Then I know what.
It's.
Just confusion, Right right.
Then I know what's going on.
So if you can agree by theseterms and Arthur says this a lot
the T's and C's, terms andconditions, If you can agree, if
you can agree to these T's andC's, then we shall proceed.
If you cannot agree to theseT's and C's and you continue to
be out ethics and want somethingfor nothing, Out exchange.
(46:14):
Out exchange.
Well then, okay, now we knowwhat the reality is.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Right.
And if you want to be acriminal, then let's treat you
like a criminal, I'm okay.
I'm okay with that.
The criminals exist andeverybody is not going to be,
you know, a saint walking onGod's green earth.
I totally understand.
If you want to be a criminal,then let's.
Let's treat you as a criminal.
If you want to take from mewithout giving back, if you want
(46:41):
to take from me withoutexchange, you're stealing,
you're taking without therebeing some reciprocity.
And if you want to be acriminal, I will treat you like
a criminal.
Some reciprocity.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
And if you want to be a criminal, I will treat you
like a criminal.
Right Rights are earned.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yes, and good people have rights.
Good people have rights.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Good people have rights.
That's true, and yourdefinition of good is what you
put out there and say this iswhat I will accept.
That is fair exchange, that isreciprocity, and if that person
can't or persons can't do that,then you know, okay, I need to
surround myself with differentpeople in my orbit and vice
versa in their orbit, and that'sit.
So there has to bereciprocation.
(47:29):
I hope this has gotten acrossto people what we're talking
about.
But you need to surroundyourself with people who believe
in fair, or greater than fair,exchange and abundance, for
example, and you need to make itclear and known yes, because if
you don't, that's on you.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
It is.
And wouldn't it be wonderful,wouldn't it be wonderful if we
could get into relationships,friendships, partnerships,
family situations, businessrelationships, if we could get
into relationships where we beateach other, we try to beat each
other, giving.
Wouldn't it be great if I likeyou and you like me, and then
you want to give me some loveand I want to beat you.
(48:13):
You ain't going to outlove me,I'm going to outlove you, and
then the other person turnaround and try to outlove you?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if weget into business relationships
where we can outgrow ourbusinesses to each other and we
have this healthy competitionwith each other where it's like,
oh, you think you're doing well, let me show you what I can do.
(48:35):
My best friend used to tell mehe said Q man, his name is Jason
.
He said Q man, I love you, butI love you better, rich Right,
and we would joke about it.
And I loved it when he said itbecause it made me feel so
empowered to go out there andmake him love me better.
I want you to love me better.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
And that self, that self-worth, and you're, you're
granting each other thebeingness of what your
self-worth is, as opposed towhat it could be.
That's that much better, andand that's that's the best.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
And it's not putting each other down, like it's not
putting each other down andmaking you feel like, man, you
ain't doing nothing, you ain'tlike.
Come on, I'm not dealing withthat at all at all.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You better count your teeth yeah, that's a positive
reciprocity, sure.
So I hope everybody's enjoyedthis podcast.
We're gonna have to go uh busyday ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
All right, sorry if I got too excited.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's okay, pastor Q.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
The Bible says Hallelujah.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
So, for Quentin and Arthur and myself, we'll see you
soon for another podcast, earlyin the week.
Namaste, and we love you.
Bye, bye, peace, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Thank you, thank you.
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