July 28, 2025 • 29 mins
TRIGGER WARNING - This episode covers the topic of suicide, so listener discretion is advised.
You can watch this episode is a video episode and you can watch it on YouTube - https://youtu.be/1YY1O2NuIqw
Dawn and Marti from Mums, Mysteries and Murder podcast, did their first ever live podcast recording at Airdrie Library for the Killers and Coffee event.
They discuss the unsolved 1981 murder of Aileen Printie in Edinburgh. They explore the case details, including the mysterious ice bucket, cufflink evidence, and the controversial identification of a 16-year-old suspect who later died by suicide. They also analyse the police investigation's shortcomings, questioning the lack of DNA evidence and the hasty closure of the case. They debate the ethics of naming suspects without charges and the impact on both families involved. The episode highlights the limitations of 1980s forensics and the frustration of unresolved cases, leaving listeners to ponder the true identity of Aileen's killer.
TIMECODES:
0:00 Intro: Live recording at Airdrie Library event
5:22 Aileen's movements on the night before murder
10:39 Lack of CCTV and phone records
15:56 Discovery of Aileen's wallet at demolition site
20:41 Debunking TV crime scene misconceptions
26:03 Cufflink evidence and police investigation efforts
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You can watch this episode is a video episode and you can watch it on YouTube - https://youtu.be/1YY1O2NuIqw
Dawn and Marti from Mums, Mysteries and Murder podcast, did their first ever live podcast recording at Airdrie Library for the Killers and Coffee event.
They discuss the unsolved 1981 murder of Aileen Printie in Edinburgh. They explore the case details, including the mysterious ice bucket, cufflink evidence, and the controversial identification of a 16-year-old suspect who later died by suicide. They also analyse the police investigation's shortcomings, questioning the lack of DNA evidence and the hasty closure of the case. They debate the ethics of naming suspects without charges and the impact on both families involved. The episode highlights the limitations of 1980s forensics and the frustration of unresolved cases, leaving listeners to ponder the true identity of Aileen's killer.
TIMECODES:
0:00 Intro: Live recording at Airdrie Library event
5:22 Aileen's movements on the night before murder
10:39 Lack of CCTV and phone records
15:56 Discovery of Aileen's wallet at demolition site
20:41 Debunking TV crime scene misconceptions
26:03 Cufflink evidence and police investigation efforts
SOURCES:
Please see our website for all source material and photos at https://scottishmurders.com/episodes/aileenprintie/
British Newspaper Archives Affiliate Link
SUPPORT US:
Patreon - patreon.com/scottishmurders
Ko-fi - ko-fi.com/scottishmurders
Merch - teepublic.com/user/scottishmurders
Website - scottishmurders.com
Twitter - @scottishmurders
Instagram - @scottishmurderspodcast
Facebook - facebook.com/scottishmurdurs
YouTube - @ScottishMurders
Linktree - linktr.ee/scottishmurders
CREDITS:
Scottish Murders is a production of Cluarantonn
Hosted by Dawn Young & Marti from Mums, Mysteries and Murder
Researched, Written and Produced by Dawn Young
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to this special episode that was recorded live at
Airdrea Library's Killers and Coffee's event. It was the first
time that myself and Marty from Mum's Mysteries and Murder
had ever done anything like this before, but everyone was
so lovely and welcoming. Well we'll soon put at ease.
The case we covered was the murder of Alien Printy
in nineteen eighty one in Edinburgh. Thank you so much
(00:23):
to Katie from Airdrey Library for asking us to come
along and share this story at the Killers and Coffee event.
Thank you to everyone who was there for coming along
to hear this story and for all your theories and questions.
And a final thank you to act tal dash q
three R on YouTube music for suggesting we cover the
murder of Alien Printy. So without further ado, let's get
(00:47):
started with today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hello and welcome to Kill Us and Coffee. Big thank
you to Kiti from Eddie Library for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We've both never done anything like this book four, so
maybe be able just be gentle with this. We're assuming
you will really love true crime, so hopefully this will
be really interesting. Dawn from Scottish Murders is going to
be telling a story and I'm going to be one.
Am I reacting, which is what I do. So my
podcast is Mum's Mysteries and Murder. There's two of us,
(01:20):
so I cover the Australian obviously from my accent true
crime and mystery Stories of Australia, and my co host
Effie who is not here, covers Scottish mysteries and murder
and Dawn do you want to talk a little bit
about your Scottish murders?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And it just covers people that have been murdered in
Scotland or Scottish people that have been murdered out of Scotland, unsolved, sold,
just off everything really just to try and get all
the no there's a lot of Scottish murders out there
as well, get them people more aware of them. So
that's what my podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, So the case I've got to talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
To day, I'm gonna call it a resolved but it'll
be interesting to see what you think at the end
of it, whether you think because some people think it's
solved and people think it's unsolved. I'm just gonna say
unresolved because I'm not quite sure. And it's the case
of Alien Printy. She was thirty one years old. She
was a bank CLERKUSS at the Bank of Scotland's headquarters
(02:19):
in Edinburgh.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Bo I know, I'm I'm not from Edinburgh, but I
live in Edinburgh basically.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So Alien was married.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
She got divorced in about nineteen seventy seven and then
she moved to a ground floor flat at Kingsnow Road North,
just off Longstone Road in Edinburgh at the time of
were divorced.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
A little bit, but I sort of know the area.
I don't want to say it's it's not a scusy.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's not in the best area, but it's bordering on
another area that's not too bad. So it's sort of
around a bit of a dodgy part of Edinburgh. But
it's also not like running in the midst of the dodginess,
if you know what I mean. It's a little bit touchy,
but then not so dodgy. It's in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I said that in a.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Really roundabout way, so I would not offend anything. It's
sort of me west Ohile's so if anyone is from
yes said, look, they own know, they all know what
I'm saying. It's not the best area. But it's not
too bad where that is. Yeah, it's not the worst.
Did I said that?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I said that diplomatically, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So Saturday, the twenty second of August nineteen eighty one,
about seven thirty am, Alien Prince's body was found on
the bedroom floor of her flat by her mum, Teresa
and her sister Moira. Theresa and Moira were actually at
Alien's flat to.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Pick her up to take her to Glasgow Airport as.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Her mom and Alien were going on holiday that morning
to Malta, and Moira, the sister, was driving them there.
So that's the basics at the moment, just what happened,
and with place we're called and a murdered investigation was launched,
and but by overcoming weeks and months or the following
weeks and months, information by about and appeals were released.
(04:00):
Before we get to that, I'll tell you a little
bit about what.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Happened to Eileen to Alien. It's Alien, sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So she was found on the floor of her bedroom
covered by a continental quilt.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You looked at me because you knew I was going
to ask that question, you know, is it a Scottish thing?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's what my god?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
She said that because in my mind I thought it
was I pictured like a patchwork quilt with that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
My grandsaid and I was like, is it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Do you know what we call the do vine Australia?
I do now, I do now.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Just sounds like a girl trying to me now because
I've been here for so long and sounds wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I do know. It sounds really Australian.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
That's a quilt.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So Alien's head was covered in blood. The post mortem
only revealed that Alien died from head injuries. The police
wouldn't say what had been used and flick these head injuries,
only that they were not looking for a murder weapon.
They had the murder weapon.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, So a little bit about Aliens movements on the
night before she was found and leading up to her
body being found. So on the Friday daytime, Alien was
at work until about five o'clock, where she went out
for pre holiday drinks with her colleagues at the Black
Bowl in the grass Market.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes you know where that is, I do, but I
haven't been to it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know. She was there for less than an hour.
She just had a couple of drinks.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
She then got a bus to a beauty salon which
was spent some time on a sun bed top and
upper ten for a holiday.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
This was, wasn't it before?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Somebody to a thing, weren't I I can still smell
you know when you go into the something. It's a
really big thing over here and that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so it was a huge thing in it. Yeah, it's
a huge thing in Australia. And you had you little
I don't know if this happened every here. I don't
know why I'm going into these tangents, but you had
like your little oil with your name on it. And
then when you'd go in there past your oil, and
(05:54):
then you'd go in and you had your little no,
no one's looking.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No an Australian thing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We had got of skincats at maybe the top hap
not's so good?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay. Continue.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So after that she just went to Now she either
went to her mom's house or her relative's house. It
was a couple of different stories, just for a bite
to eat before she left about eight o'clock getting a
taxi home, and that's where she was. So her alien's
mom she rang her about. So she rang her later
that evening just to tell her to confirm their sister
and her would pick her up at seven o'clock and
(06:27):
take them to the airport. But the phone was engaged,
and it was engaged again and again.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
She kept trying. It was just she couldn't get through.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
She eventually phoned Moira and said, I just can't get
through to her. I don't know she's in the phone too,
and Moira said, it's all right, I'll just keep trying,
don't worry. So she tried and it was engaged in
it's the engaged. Eventually she got through about half past nine.
I spoke to Alien, no problem, everything's fine, And she
just told her the plan. I'll be there at seven
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To pick you up. Get yourself up and ready. So
that was fine.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
She just told Alien, just told Moira that she was
just she was gonna have an early night. There was
nothing happening at all, And she didn't Moyra didn't ask
her who she'd been on the phone to all that time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So nobody ever knows who was in who she was
speaking to that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Was engaged so long, it's probably a boy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Hang on, how long was thirty?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was a man or a boy? Probably everything but
there was nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Nothing towards there was nothing said. Everything was all fine
and she was just going to have an early night.
She looking forward to going on holiday. So that was
the last time that anybody, well other than her killer,
spoke to Alien. She was alive at nine thirty on
a Friday night. So then next morning, Saturday, twenty second
of August, her mum, Teresa, phoned her about six forty
(07:44):
just to wake her up, make sure she was up
and about and get going.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No reply.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Moira called round, knocked on the door, There was no reply.
She looked in the bedroom windows with seven fifteen, she said.
She looked in the bedroom window, not nobody was in
the bed. She just thought she must be in the bath.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Having a bath. I keep looking at you, don't mind,
you're my target at.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So you know what happened?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Realized it looks spicious, she went, so yeah, she looked
through the window, nobody there, assuming she persist in the
bath getting ready.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So instead of wasting time, she decided the sister decided
to go and pick up the mom Teresa, and then
come back for Relian. So she did that and they
came back about seven forty am. Knocked at the front door.
Still no answer, so they went on to the back door.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's a flat. I don't know whether I said that,
it's just a little flat.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So went on to the back of the flat and
that's when they saw that they've been The door was
kicked in, they'd been forced entry.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So they went into the flat.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They saw that the landline had been ripped out, and
they found Alien's body on her bedroom floor, just out
of side of the window, so the sister couldn't have
seen her when she looked through.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So that that's going to be the worst was when
it lacked the dolls kicked in.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, the doors are open, that's going to be I
don't think I want to go into that room.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I knows, Yeah, And the phone ripped out, but they
wouldn't have known even though they were phone in because
it was you know, for younger people, you know, if
it was the one was ripped out of the personal
phone and it was just ringing as normal, they wouldn't
It wasn't be engaged around, and so it was just
they didn't know happen.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
So it wasn't just dead time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It was just kind of rang and rang and rang.
But they wouldn't know that the phone had been ripped out. Okay,
So I'll tell you about about the information the pools
that were released over the weeks and months. So on
the Monday, it was appeals and information. So this was
two days later, and there were police were appealing for
(09:51):
taxi drivers to come forward to let them know of
Nydy that they picked up in the area or dropped
off near Alien's home, but specifically and listening to off
a long Stone in on long Stone Road, which is
where Alien's homework, if that was so, they specifically wanted them,
And they're also asking for mb to come forward if
(10:11):
they could give them any information at all about Alien's
life and what she was up.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
During the weeks before her death, just so they could
can build up.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It would have been harder then as well, because they
didn't have social media, and that's when they get like
loads of the information from now, Don't I like the
amount of blades they get just from looking at someone's
picture and then someone's boyfriends in the background and I
look at his Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You said you didn't know who she was on the
phone to, but see everything that I watch on the television.
They get access to their telephone records, So why did
they not get access to the telephone record?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That is a good question.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know it was one I thought about as well.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
But they're never you know, I've gone all the way
to the end and either she formed them or they
phoned her, but they're never found out. Nobody ever came
forward to see that they'd been on the phone with
her that night.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Can they not trace the record?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You one?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Surely they could have chased you.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Let her and they couldn't see who'd falled in. We'd
be outborn calls. I don't know, but there's definitely nobody
ever working.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Forward, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I used to work for directory assistants.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
In Australia and we used to have to I'm going
off on another tangent. If you've not listened to Mum's
Mysteries and Matter, we do this a lot because we
talk about very dark things and we like to do
least and talk about things music in the eighties and
stuff in between.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But I used to.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Work for directory and assistants in Australia and it was
so boring. There's a big call center it was just
before I moved over here, and everyone would go in
hungover on the weekend because we were all like quite
young back then and weekend you know, double time. But
it was so boring because you have to wait to
find and go directories. What would you say directory assistance
Marty speaking what name please? And you'd have to say
(12:04):
that over and over and you can imagine how many
times you'd say that. So we started a game one Sunday,
me and my friend Cameron, and I said, look, no
one's even listening to what we say when they pick
up the call. No one's listening to our name. So
let's just say random words and see how long it takes.
So it was about twenty minutes before people realized we
were going tells your directory biscuits speaking what name please?
(12:25):
And then we went through like all different random things
and took twenty minutes before anyone noticed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We'll make that random names anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's I did not know what.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, it was all boring. You had to make your
own fun.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
There was no true crime podcasts around there, and so biscuits.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So yeah, a good question. I don't know why, but
they've waited for that person to come forward, and why
wouldn't they come forward if it was just you know,
like a.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Boyfriend or somebody that hadn't been involved, a friend whatever,
Why WOULDY not just come for I say, ah, okay,
that was me.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But remember but then maybe if it's a boyfriend, they're
always the first ones to be whatever, So maybe they
felt really nervous about it, and.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I would be back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah you never know. Cold, oh scandal, Yeah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
There, we'll go. That is no mystery. So that was
what at the time.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That was when the police did reveal that they'd been
forced entry at the flat and they were thinking that
because of that was a robbery was going to be
the motive.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And then they were just.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Asking for nd saw anything or any sightings or activity
near aliens home between nine thirty on the Friday night
to seven thirty on the Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So they'll just try to gather as much as it
could at that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That's a long period of time as well, isn't it is?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
On a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The next day the revealed that aliens black leather wallet
was missing from our house and that it contained a
Bank of Scotland key card, a check card, credit cards
and a small amount of money and our driving license.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So that was missing.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And also missing from our flat was a white and
gold a barrel shaped ice bucket. So we've got the
wallet type of it, a barrel.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Shape, a barrel shape.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, an ice bucket and a wallet missing from the flat.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
That's a weird thing to take and ice bucket than
they as pocket challenges.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
A bit further wrong by them, But yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't know quite that. That's what we picture of Alien.
That's what Alien looked like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You remembered that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And then I also revealed that they were interviewing Alien's
colleagues at work. So again still gathering information. The next
appeal was on the Friday and there were appealing the
place where appealing this time for two youths to come
forward to be eliminated from the inquiries. It was apparently
about ten past ten on a Friday night. Six young
men were in a car on Longstone Road near the
(14:58):
junction of king No North kings No Road North where
Aileen where she lived, and the guy in the front
passenger shat of the carrier, got out and he shouted
something to another youth who was walking just across that road.
Don't know what was shouted, don't know if they know
each other, but there were Shane and the police wanted
to speak to it, specifically these two youths, but if
(15:20):
they could speak to all.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The young men they wanted to as well, just to
eliminate the no mention anywhere TV.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We talked about this in a racing episode and if
he googled it to say, and it was surprisingly earlier
than we thought that maybe not not in any one
no mention of I think it was made. I don't know,
but yeah, it was like a lot earlier than we thought.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
M h. Yeah, that's just a mom and her sister.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
She's got the IDEs hair, she's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
So on the SAT today, it's a week after Alien
was found murdered. They said the police revealed that they'd
found her black leather wallet. It was found in a
demolition site near her home and just a small amount
of money had been taken, but everything else had been left.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So they had that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So they're not even taking their bank cards or anything.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, no, because it was different. Was it different? But
then they wouldn't have It would have done them real good.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
There was an it and so that was there that time.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think they had to go into the bank, don't
we this is just turning into all the things.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You need to do that I can't remember. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So on the Monday, the thirty first of August, just
a week after Alien was found, the police wanted to trace,
or making another appeal to trace a smartly dressed man
seen near Alien's home on a Friday night. So he
was seen walking along the streets just a few streets
away from.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Where Alien lived, walking towards Edinburgh City Center, about living
forty five on the Friday night, and it's about an hour.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And seventeen would you say it was like a long
walk over an hour to walk from there where he
was to Edinburgh.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But I don't know why the thought he was going
that way, but it was on that road walking towards Edinburgh.
So he was described as being in his late twenties,
about five ft eight or nine inches, medium build, was
short and neatly trimmed, dark hair, wearing a Bomber type
leather jacket which was open, denim jeans, and he was
a smart appearance.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But he also had or he was seen carrying in
his right hand, particular a bucket, a Clayton jumping.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Hood sided I need to know, really.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
A clear plastic bag with a bucket with what appeared.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
To be a babe a barrel shaped ice bucket.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh yeah, white, so he had ice bucket. I don't
know who this man was, but he heard it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Maybe he was on his face party and he had eyes.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Seen there and the wallet.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That is very strange thing to just be carrying into Edinburgh,
isn't it, even for even during festival time.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I thought the only.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Thing I could think of was that maybe this was
somebody she had been seeing and that he'd been wronged.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And he was like, yeah, he could just be taking
his ice bucket. I don't know what the ice buckets
to do with, but.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Anyway, and while this guy's walking along the road, apparently
the police were appealing for three men that were also
standing at bus stop and he was walking past for
them to come forward, but they never did. They wanted
to speak to them to see if they knew who
this this man would have How long.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
After was this?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
This was a week.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
After just over a week.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Would you remember someone.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That walked past so at that, Like, I mean, if
we were talking about this again another episode recently when
you listen to podcasts and they say like two years
later and then a woman came and said she saw
a man. Would you remember I would not remember someone
that passed me getting off the train an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I would not remember you remember. I just think that's
I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I just think, yeah, friends were stuck over, been really
like suspicious, or they had a really nice outfit on.
We have talked about that, if they had a really
nice outfit on and I remembered, like.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You sort of remember I have just been coming home
from the pub, couldn't we.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But did they notice he had the ice bucket.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
From the park.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And the man standing at the somebody saw them at
the bus stop, and.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, there was as long as.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It could have been someone trying to frame them. Sorry,
you had a question came?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Did the PM sure that she died up? Very very limited.
It's not a lot of information about that.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And in fact they're looking for looking for information from
such a big tame frame I've not said, and they
can't tell that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Apparently, did you know I did? Someone said like on
you know on TV.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Shows and they go, oh, the person died between nine
and twelve PM. They can't actually tell that within like
such a small time frame. Apparently they can't tell like
when the body was.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I always thought they could put it down enough.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
TV's got a lot to answer for you. Do you
know what as well?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I heard the other day on a podcast. I can't
remember what podcast it was. I got really excited. Then
it's not that exciting. But you know how they have
drawers like in morgues and they pull bodies out. They
don't have that in I think it's only in America
they have everyone in a big I don't know why
I say that, because it's a horrible sentence, but I
have everyone in one big room, except for in hospitals.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
In hospitals, like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Know why I said that, but I just found that
was really interesting and also horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Just have them in a big room. What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It just has them in a big freage and everyone's
next to each other.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, in the hospitals, in the mart, it's just it's
not like on table.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Okay. So it was also reruled by the police at
that time that three hundred pounds worth of traveler checks
were still an alien's flat.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
They hadn't been taken, and no jewelry had been taken either.
It was only the wallet and this ice bucket that
had been taken. So there's that screen robbery to you,
because that's what the places are saying.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
This looks like it's robbery.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Then what was in a wallet?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then that there was banker money, a wettle bit of
money which the money was taken. Numbers never mentioned that, No,
nothing like that. Travelers not need to fund.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yea in order to check would.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, it's good to have these debates.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay. So the next bit of information and another pail
was on the third of September, the Thursday, two weeks
just short short of two.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Weeks after Alien's body was found. And this time the
police were asking, well that that said that I found
at the scene had been a cheap but cuff link
and the one they gave a description, send out a
photo showed photos of this cufflink, very cheap but it
was sort of quite distinctive, and they were only one
(22:54):
had been found, and they were thinking, you know, somebody
must have you know, if you know this, If no,
who's got this or who has this, then get in touch.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So the cufflin was cashing it's chape.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, it was really it was like two pounds.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It costs two pounds for the two of them, which
is like eight pounds in today's money.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
They signed the chap. It could have been great cheeks.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Obviously this is not color I couldn't find the color one.
But USISO is guilt. Guilt guilt doesn't g I LT
not g u I l T so fake metal surround
it surrounded with indented edges about half an inch square
in set with a large synthetic blue sapphire stone, although
(23:40):
apparently if you stare at the into the you know
the depths of it, it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Does become decidedly gray. It's got a.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Swivel to torpedo type fastener as well. And like I said,
it was very quite cheap back then. So they were
now appealing for that. And then there were well i'll
jump ahead, So that was that was the next thing.
And then three weeks later after her murder, they were
still trying to still try to trace the man with
(24:09):
the carrying the ice bucket, which again he was never identified,
never found him. They were still trying to find the
three men at the bus stop who'd seen the man
with the ice bucket. They never came forward, never found them.
They were still appealing for anyone who had information about
this cuff link to come forward, which we'll get to.
(24:32):
They did say that they had traced the owner of
did they say at this time that they the police
felt that if they traced the owner of this cuff link,
they almost certainly would find themselves face to face with
Alien's killer. So they were pretty sure this was her
the other half. But does that the guy carrying the
(24:54):
ice bucket wearing a bomber jacket and jeans, does it
You wouldn't think that he'd be having cuff links as well,
So what's the nice It's all just a wee bit
not quite sitting right. And the lead detective actually admitted
in the papers that the team were baffled, but they
did say they'll get this many eventually with the public's help.
(25:14):
They had to because he was a brutal killer. So
a little bit about the cuff links, because they did
go to extraordinary lengths to try and find this cufflink,
because they really believed that this was a trump card.
And they found us found the other one of this,
then they would have their killer. So the cufflinks were
made in Birmingham. They were sold off in job lots
(25:34):
in nineteen seventy eight and seventy nine with mixed other
mixed cuff links, and Edinburgh Jeweler confirmed that they'd bought
two lots and sold them two pounds a pair, but
there was thought to be no more than fifteen pairs
of the cuf links in Edinburgh at the most. It
was quite distinctive piece of jewelry, and like I say,
that released hundreds of color photographs of this cuff link,
(25:59):
hoping this'body would come forward and identify it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So did the jewel have a list of all the
people that had bought those complet and that's a long
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I also didn't say if anybody came forward, but
I'm imagining some people did come forward and they were
rolled out, but the person that this particular one belonged
to didn't come forward at that time.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, so that's smiting men all over again.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I know it's always wanting to ask you this question.
Do you think is it just putting out there? Do
you think that maybe they're saying that it might be
a house a robber.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Do you think that maybe somebody knew alien and maybe
knew that she was going on holiday and just misjudged
it and went there to rob the place and came
face to face with her. Do you think do you
think that I I was wondering, That's the only thing
I could think.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
What did they take an ice pocket?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I know that I can't get my head right. I'm
wondering if there's ice bucket, it's just been made too
much of a thing and it's actually not that red heron.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And then surely that was the case, they would have
still robbed it anyway, because she's she was dead, So
if that was the.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Original intention, surely they would have still went through with it.
Well exactly, yeahs a fight and he killed her away?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Did I kill her with the ass back? Did you say?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Was that that'?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Haven't really haven't told At this point, we don't know,
okay what.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Nothing about the ex husband he was I didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I didn't do his details, but he was just nothing,
nothing involved at all was eliminated.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, just carried on with his life.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's interesting, Arry, No.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You know, did somebody just do that to make them
think about a robbery and take the take the wall?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, or I was taken a bit of a rusty
if you do that that night the noise that would
have been nude because it was a flat neighbor I
so nobody and.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I thought, okay, what was if she was somebody you know,
seeing a married man, or she had a fight with
a person on the phone, and maybe somebody else suggested
that maybe she was saying, no, I don't want to
see you tonight, I'm going away on holiday. We'll speak afterwards.
And he decided I'm coming aroun anyway and kicked the
door in.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But again, no, nothing was heard, there was no noise,
there was no shouting, there was no nothing. Nobody heard anything.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, I've got a question.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Done be anything to do sexually like motive with That's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Was it any sort of like sexual moodive? So I'm
she's coming to that. I think that's the right question.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Is a good question. I am coming to it. I
am coming to it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Sorry, if my husband come home with one coughlink, or
your partner or your boyfriend, you would be aware when
all this publicity was going on that you might know
the person involved.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah that's great actually, but then would you be scared
to come forward?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I guess if it was your husband and I have.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Been like fourteen other people though they owned those pufflinks
that were going at.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Exactly I've got to gee would be panicking.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
If you couldn't find the other one something, and you
like it somewhere, you just.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Won't come forward. I just won't. Maybe that's where it was.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Part two of the Alien Printy episode will be available
tomorrow
Welcome to this special episode that was recorded live at
Airdrea Library's Killers and Coffee's event. It was the first
time that myself and Marty from Mum's Mysteries and Murder
had ever done anything like this before, but everyone was
so lovely and welcoming. Well we'll soon put at ease.
The case we covered was the murder of Alien Printy
in nineteen eighty one in Edinburgh. Thank you so much
(00:23):
to Katie from Airdrey Library for asking us to come
along and share this story at the Killers and Coffee event.
Thank you to everyone who was there for coming along
to hear this story and for all your theories and questions.
And a final thank you to act tal dash q
three R on YouTube music for suggesting we cover the
murder of Alien Printy. So without further ado, let's get
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started with today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hello and welcome to Kill Us and Coffee. Big thank
you to Kiti from Eddie Library for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We've both never done anything like this book four, so
maybe be able just be gentle with this. We're assuming
you will really love true crime, so hopefully this will
be really interesting. Dawn from Scottish Murders is going to
be telling a story and I'm going to be one.
Am I reacting, which is what I do. So my
podcast is Mum's Mysteries and Murder. There's two of us,
(01:20):
so I cover the Australian obviously from my accent true
crime and mystery Stories of Australia, and my co host
Effie who is not here, covers Scottish mysteries and murder
and Dawn do you want to talk a little bit
about your Scottish murders?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And it just covers people that have been murdered in
Scotland or Scottish people that have been murdered out of Scotland, unsolved, sold,
just off everything really just to try and get all
the no there's a lot of Scottish murders out there
as well, get them people more aware of them. So
that's what my podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, So the case I've got to talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
To day, I'm gonna call it a resolved but it'll
be interesting to see what you think at the end
of it, whether you think because some people think it's
solved and people think it's unsolved. I'm just gonna say
unresolved because I'm not quite sure. And it's the case
of Alien Printy. She was thirty one years old. She
was a bank CLERKUSS at the Bank of Scotland's headquarters
(02:19):
in Edinburgh.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Bo I know, I'm I'm not from Edinburgh, but I
live in Edinburgh basically.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So Alien was married.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
She got divorced in about nineteen seventy seven and then
she moved to a ground floor flat at Kingsnow Road North,
just off Longstone Road in Edinburgh at the time of
were divorced.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
A little bit, but I sort of know the area.
I don't want to say it's it's not a scusy.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's not in the best area, but it's bordering on
another area that's not too bad. So it's sort of
around a bit of a dodgy part of Edinburgh. But
it's also not like running in the midst of the dodginess,
if you know what I mean. It's a little bit touchy,
but then not so dodgy. It's in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I said that in a.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Really roundabout way, so I would not offend anything. It's
sort of me west Ohile's so if anyone is from
yes said, look, they own know, they all know what
I'm saying. It's not the best area. But it's not
too bad where that is. Yeah, it's not the worst.
Did I said that?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I said that diplomatically, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So Saturday, the twenty second of August nineteen eighty one,
about seven thirty am, Alien Prince's body was found on
the bedroom floor of her flat by her mum, Teresa
and her sister Moira. Theresa and Moira were actually at
Alien's flat to.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Pick her up to take her to Glasgow Airport as.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Her mom and Alien were going on holiday that morning
to Malta, and Moira, the sister, was driving them there.
So that's the basics at the moment, just what happened,
and with place we're called and a murdered investigation was launched,
and but by overcoming weeks and months or the following
weeks and months, information by about and appeals were released.
(04:00):
Before we get to that, I'll tell you a little
bit about what.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Happened to Eileen to Alien. It's Alien, sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So she was found on the floor of her bedroom
covered by a continental quilt.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You looked at me because you knew I was going
to ask that question, you know, is it a Scottish thing?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's what my god?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
She said that because in my mind I thought it
was I pictured like a patchwork quilt with that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
My grandsaid and I was like, is it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Do you know what we call the do vine Australia?
I do now, I do now.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Just sounds like a girl trying to me now because
I've been here for so long and sounds wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I do know. It sounds really Australian.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
That's a quilt.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So Alien's head was covered in blood. The post mortem
only revealed that Alien died from head injuries. The police
wouldn't say what had been used and flick these head injuries,
only that they were not looking for a murder weapon.
They had the murder weapon.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, So a little bit about Aliens movements on the
night before she was found and leading up to her
body being found. So on the Friday daytime, Alien was
at work until about five o'clock, where she went out
for pre holiday drinks with her colleagues at the Black
Bowl in the grass Market.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes you know where that is, I do, but I
haven't been to it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know. She was there for less than an hour.
She just had a couple of drinks.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
She then got a bus to a beauty salon which
was spent some time on a sun bed top and
upper ten for a holiday.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
This was, wasn't it before?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Somebody to a thing, weren't I I can still smell
you know when you go into the something. It's a
really big thing over here and that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so it was a huge thing in it. Yeah, it's
a huge thing in Australia. And you had you little
I don't know if this happened every here. I don't
know why I'm going into these tangents, but you had
like your little oil with your name on it. And
then when you'd go in there past your oil, and
(05:54):
then you'd go in and you had your little no,
no one's looking.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No an Australian thing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We had got of skincats at maybe the top hap
not's so good?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay. Continue.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So after that she just went to Now she either
went to her mom's house or her relative's house. It
was a couple of different stories, just for a bite
to eat before she left about eight o'clock getting a
taxi home, and that's where she was. So her alien's
mom she rang her about. So she rang her later
that evening just to tell her to confirm their sister
and her would pick her up at seven o'clock and
(06:27):
take them to the airport. But the phone was engaged,
and it was engaged again and again.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
She kept trying. It was just she couldn't get through.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
She eventually phoned Moira and said, I just can't get
through to her. I don't know she's in the phone too,
and Moira said, it's all right, I'll just keep trying,
don't worry. So she tried and it was engaged in
it's the engaged. Eventually she got through about half past nine.
I spoke to Alien, no problem, everything's fine, And she
just told her the plan. I'll be there at seven
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To pick you up. Get yourself up and ready. So
that was fine.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
She just told Alien, just told Moira that she was
just she was gonna have an early night. There was
nothing happening at all, And she didn't Moyra didn't ask
her who she'd been on the phone to all that time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So nobody ever knows who was in who she was
speaking to that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Was engaged so long, it's probably a boy.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Hang on, how long was thirty?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was a man or a boy? Probably everything but
there was nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Nothing towards there was nothing said. Everything was all fine
and she was just going to have an early night.
She looking forward to going on holiday. So that was
the last time that anybody, well other than her killer,
spoke to Alien. She was alive at nine thirty on
a Friday night. So then next morning, Saturday, twenty second
of August, her mum, Teresa, phoned her about six forty
(07:44):
just to wake her up, make sure she was up
and about and get going.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No reply.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Moira called round, knocked on the door, There was no reply.
She looked in the bedroom windows with seven fifteen, she said.
She looked in the bedroom window, not nobody was in
the bed. She just thought she must be in the bath.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Having a bath. I keep looking at you, don't mind,
you're my target at.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So you know what happened?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Realized it looks spicious, she went, so yeah, she looked
through the window, nobody there, assuming she persist in the
bath getting ready.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So instead of wasting time, she decided the sister decided
to go and pick up the mom Teresa, and then
come back for Relian. So she did that and they
came back about seven forty am. Knocked at the front door.
Still no answer, so they went on to the back door.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's a flat. I don't know whether I said that,
it's just a little flat.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So went on to the back of the flat and
that's when they saw that they've been The door was
kicked in, they'd been forced entry.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So they went into the flat.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
They saw that the landline had been ripped out, and
they found Alien's body on her bedroom floor, just out
of side of the window, so the sister couldn't have
seen her when she looked through.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So that that's going to be the worst was when
it lacked the dolls kicked in.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, the doors are open, that's going to be I
don't think I want to go into that room.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I knows, Yeah, And the phone ripped out, but they
wouldn't have known even though they were phone in because
it was you know, for younger people, you know, if
it was the one was ripped out of the personal
phone and it was just ringing as normal, they wouldn't
It wasn't be engaged around, and so it was just
they didn't know happen.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
So it wasn't just dead time.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It was just kind of rang and rang and rang.
But they wouldn't know that the phone had been ripped out. Okay,
So I'll tell you about about the information the pools
that were released over the weeks and months. So on
the Monday, it was appeals and information. So this was
two days later, and there were police were appealing for
(09:51):
taxi drivers to come forward to let them know of
Nydy that they picked up in the area or dropped
off near Alien's home, but specifically and listening to off
a long Stone in on long Stone Road, which is
where Alien's homework, if that was so, they specifically wanted them,
And they're also asking for mb to come forward if
(10:11):
they could give them any information at all about Alien's
life and what she was up.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
During the weeks before her death, just so they could
can build up.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It would have been harder then as well, because they
didn't have social media, and that's when they get like
loads of the information from now, Don't I like the
amount of blades they get just from looking at someone's
picture and then someone's boyfriends in the background and I
look at his Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You said you didn't know who she was on the
phone to, but see everything that I watch on the television.
They get access to their telephone records, So why did
they not get access to the telephone record?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That is a good question.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I know it was one I thought about as well.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
But they're never you know, I've gone all the way
to the end and either she formed them or they
phoned her, but they're never found out. Nobody ever came
forward to see that they'd been on the phone with
her that night.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Can they not trace the record?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You one?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Surely they could have chased you.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Let her and they couldn't see who'd falled in. We'd
be outborn calls. I don't know, but there's definitely nobody
ever working.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Forward, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I used to work for directory assistants.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
In Australia and we used to have to I'm going
off on another tangent. If you've not listened to Mum's
Mysteries and Matter, we do this a lot because we
talk about very dark things and we like to do
least and talk about things music in the eighties and
stuff in between.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But I used to.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Work for directory and assistants in Australia and it was
so boring. There's a big call center it was just
before I moved over here, and everyone would go in
hungover on the weekend because we were all like quite
young back then and weekend you know, double time. But
it was so boring because you have to wait to
find and go directories. What would you say directory assistance
Marty speaking what name please? And you'd have to say
(12:04):
that over and over and you can imagine how many
times you'd say that. So we started a game one Sunday,
me and my friend Cameron, and I said, look, no
one's even listening to what we say when they pick
up the call. No one's listening to our name. So
let's just say random words and see how long it takes.
So it was about twenty minutes before people realized we
were going tells your directory biscuits speaking what name please?
(12:25):
And then we went through like all different random things
and took twenty minutes before anyone noticed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We'll make that random names anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's I did not know what.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, it was all boring. You had to make your
own fun.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
There was no true crime podcasts around there, and so biscuits.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So yeah, a good question. I don't know why, but
they've waited for that person to come forward, and why
wouldn't they come forward if it was just you know,
like a.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Boyfriend or somebody that hadn't been involved, a friend whatever,
Why WOULDY not just come for I say, ah, okay,
that was me.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But remember but then maybe if it's a boyfriend, they're
always the first ones to be whatever, So maybe they
felt really nervous about it, and.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I would be back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah you never know. Cold, oh scandal, Yeah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
There, we'll go. That is no mystery. So that was
what at the time.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That was when the police did reveal that they'd been
forced entry at the flat and they were thinking that
because of that was a robbery was going to be
the motive.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And then they were just.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Asking for nd saw anything or any sightings or activity
near aliens home between nine thirty on the Friday night
to seven thirty on the Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So they'll just try to gather as much as it
could at that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That's a long period of time as well, isn't it is?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
On a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The next day the revealed that aliens black leather wallet
was missing from our house and that it contained a
Bank of Scotland key card, a check card, credit cards
and a small amount of money and our driving license.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So that was missing.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And also missing from our flat was a white and
gold a barrel shaped ice bucket. So we've got the
wallet type of it, a barrel.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Shape, a barrel shape.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, an ice bucket and a wallet missing from the flat.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
That's a weird thing to take and ice bucket than
they as pocket challenges.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
A bit further wrong by them, But yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't know quite that. That's what we picture of Alien.
That's what Alien looked like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You remembered that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And then I also revealed that they were interviewing Alien's
colleagues at work. So again still gathering information. The next
appeal was on the Friday and there were appealing the
place where appealing this time for two youths to come
forward to be eliminated from the inquiries. It was apparently
about ten past ten on a Friday night. Six young
men were in a car on Longstone Road near the
(14:58):
junction of king No North kings No Road North where
Aileen where she lived, and the guy in the front
passenger shat of the carrier, got out and he shouted
something to another youth who was walking just across that road.
Don't know what was shouted, don't know if they know
each other, but there were Shane and the police wanted
to speak to it, specifically these two youths, but if
(15:20):
they could speak to all.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The young men they wanted to as well, just to
eliminate the no mention anywhere TV.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We talked about this in a racing episode and if
he googled it to say, and it was surprisingly earlier
than we thought that maybe not not in any one
no mention of I think it was made. I don't know,
but yeah, it was like a lot earlier than we thought.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
M h. Yeah, that's just a mom and her sister.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
She's got the IDEs hair, she's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
So on the SAT today, it's a week after Alien
was found murdered. They said the police revealed that they'd
found her black leather wallet. It was found in a
demolition site near her home and just a small amount
of money had been taken, but everything else had been left.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So they had that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So they're not even taking their bank cards or anything.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, no, because it was different. Was it different? But
then they wouldn't have It would have done them real good.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
There was an it and so that was there that time.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think they had to go into the bank, don't
we this is just turning into all the things.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You need to do that I can't remember. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So on the Monday, the thirty first of August, just
a week after Alien was found, the police wanted to trace,
or making another appeal to trace a smartly dressed man
seen near Alien's home on a Friday night. So he
was seen walking along the streets just a few streets
away from.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Where Alien lived, walking towards Edinburgh City Center, about living
forty five on the Friday night, and it's about an hour.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And seventeen would you say it was like a long
walk over an hour to walk from there where he
was to Edinburgh.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
But I don't know why the thought he was going
that way, but it was on that road walking towards Edinburgh.
So he was described as being in his late twenties,
about five ft eight or nine inches, medium build, was
short and neatly trimmed, dark hair, wearing a Bomber type
leather jacket which was open, denim jeans, and he was
a smart appearance.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But he also had or he was seen carrying in
his right hand, particular a bucket, a Clayton jumping.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Hood sided I need to know, really.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
A clear plastic bag with a bucket with what appeared.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
To be a babe a barrel shaped ice bucket.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh yeah, white, so he had ice bucket. I don't
know who this man was, but he heard it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Maybe he was on his face party and he had eyes.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Seen there and the wallet.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That is very strange thing to just be carrying into Edinburgh,
isn't it, even for even during festival time.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I thought the only.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Thing I could think of was that maybe this was
somebody she had been seeing and that he'd been wronged.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And he was like, yeah, he could just be taking
his ice bucket. I don't know what the ice buckets
to do with, but.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Anyway, and while this guy's walking along the road, apparently
the police were appealing for three men that were also
standing at bus stop and he was walking past for
them to come forward, but they never did. They wanted
to speak to them to see if they knew who
this this man would have How long.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
After was this?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
This was a week.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
After just over a week.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Would you remember someone.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That walked past so at that, Like, I mean, if
we were talking about this again another episode recently when
you listen to podcasts and they say like two years
later and then a woman came and said she saw
a man. Would you remember I would not remember someone
that passed me getting off the train an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I would not remember you remember. I just think that's
I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I just think, yeah, friends were stuck over, been really
like suspicious, or they had a really nice outfit on.
We have talked about that, if they had a really
nice outfit on and I remembered, like.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You sort of remember I have just been coming home
from the pub, couldn't we.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But did they notice he had the ice bucket.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
From the park.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And the man standing at the somebody saw them at
the bus stop, and.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, there was as long as.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It could have been someone trying to frame them. Sorry,
you had a question came?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Did the PM sure that she died up? Very very limited.
It's not a lot of information about that.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And in fact they're looking for looking for information from
such a big tame frame I've not said, and they
can't tell that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Apparently, did you know I did? Someone said like on
you know on TV.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Shows and they go, oh, the person died between nine
and twelve PM. They can't actually tell that within like
such a small time frame. Apparently they can't tell like
when the body was.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I always thought they could put it down enough.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
TV's got a lot to answer for you. Do you
know what as well?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I heard the other day on a podcast. I can't
remember what podcast it was. I got really excited. Then
it's not that exciting. But you know how they have
drawers like in morgues and they pull bodies out. They
don't have that in I think it's only in America
they have everyone in a big I don't know why
I say that, because it's a horrible sentence, but I
have everyone in one big room, except for in hospitals.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
In hospitals, like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Know why I said that, but I just found that
was really interesting and also horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Just have them in a big room. What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It just has them in a big freage and everyone's
next to each other.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, in the hospitals, in the mart, it's just it's
not like on table.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Okay. So it was also reruled by the police at
that time that three hundred pounds worth of traveler checks
were still an alien's flat.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
They hadn't been taken, and no jewelry had been taken either.
It was only the wallet and this ice bucket that
had been taken. So there's that screen robbery to you,
because that's what the places are saying.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
This looks like it's robbery.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Then what was in a wallet?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then that there was banker money, a wettle bit of
money which the money was taken. Numbers never mentioned that, No,
nothing like that. Travelers not need to fund.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yea in order to check would.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, it's good to have these debates.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay. So the next bit of information and another pail
was on the third of September, the Thursday, two weeks
just short short of two.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Weeks after Alien's body was found. And this time the
police were asking, well that that said that I found
at the scene had been a cheap but cuff link
and the one they gave a description, send out a
photo showed photos of this cufflink, very cheap but it
was sort of quite distinctive, and they were only one
(22:54):
had been found, and they were thinking, you know, somebody
must have you know, if you know this, If no,
who's got this or who has this, then get in touch.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So the cufflin was cashing it's chape.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, it was really it was like two pounds.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It costs two pounds for the two of them, which
is like eight pounds in today's money.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
They signed the chap. It could have been great cheeks.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Obviously this is not color I couldn't find the color one.
But USISO is guilt. Guilt guilt doesn't g I LT
not g u I l T so fake metal surround
it surrounded with indented edges about half an inch square
in set with a large synthetic blue sapphire stone, although
(23:40):
apparently if you stare at the into the you know
the depths of it, it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Does become decidedly gray. It's got a.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Swivel to torpedo type fastener as well. And like I said,
it was very quite cheap back then. So they were
now appealing for that. And then there were well i'll
jump ahead, So that was that was the next thing.
And then three weeks later after her murder, they were
still trying to still try to trace the man with
(24:09):
the carrying the ice bucket, which again he was never identified,
never found him. They were still trying to find the
three men at the bus stop who'd seen the man
with the ice bucket. They never came forward, never found them.
They were still appealing for anyone who had information about
this cuff link to come forward, which we'll get to.
(24:32):
They did say that they had traced the owner of
did they say at this time that they the police
felt that if they traced the owner of this cuff link,
they almost certainly would find themselves face to face with
Alien's killer. So they were pretty sure this was her
the other half. But does that the guy carrying the
(24:54):
ice bucket wearing a bomber jacket and jeans, does it
You wouldn't think that he'd be having cuff links as well,
So what's the nice It's all just a wee bit
not quite sitting right. And the lead detective actually admitted
in the papers that the team were baffled, but they
did say they'll get this many eventually with the public's help.
(25:14):
They had to because he was a brutal killer. So
a little bit about the cuff links, because they did
go to extraordinary lengths to try and find this cufflink,
because they really believed that this was a trump card.
And they found us found the other one of this,
then they would have their killer. So the cufflinks were
made in Birmingham. They were sold off in job lots
(25:34):
in nineteen seventy eight and seventy nine with mixed other
mixed cuff links, and Edinburgh Jeweler confirmed that they'd bought
two lots and sold them two pounds a pair, but
there was thought to be no more than fifteen pairs
of the cuf links in Edinburgh at the most. It
was quite distinctive piece of jewelry, and like I say,
that released hundreds of color photographs of this cuff link,
(25:59):
hoping this'body would come forward and identify it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So did the jewel have a list of all the
people that had bought those complet and that's a long
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And I also didn't say if anybody came forward, but
I'm imagining some people did come forward and they were
rolled out, but the person that this particular one belonged
to didn't come forward at that time.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Okay, so that's smiting men all over again.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I know it's always wanting to ask you this question.
Do you think is it just putting out there? Do
you think that maybe they're saying that it might be
a house a robber.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Do you think that maybe somebody knew alien and maybe
knew that she was going on holiday and just misjudged
it and went there to rob the place and came
face to face with her. Do you think do you
think that I I was wondering, That's the only thing
I could think.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
What did they take an ice pocket?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I know that I can't get my head right. I'm
wondering if there's ice bucket, it's just been made too
much of a thing and it's actually not that red heron.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And then surely that was the case, they would have
still robbed it anyway, because she's she was dead, So
if that was the.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Original intention, surely they would have still went through with it.
Well exactly, yeahs a fight and he killed her away?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Did I kill her with the ass back? Did you say?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Was that that'?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Haven't really haven't told At this point, we don't know,
okay what.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Nothing about the ex husband he was I didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I didn't do his details, but he was just nothing,
nothing involved at all was eliminated.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, just carried on with his life.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's interesting, Arry, No.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You know, did somebody just do that to make them
think about a robbery and take the take the wall?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, or I was taken a bit of a rusty
if you do that that night the noise that would
have been nude because it was a flat neighbor I
so nobody and.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I thought, okay, what was if she was somebody you know,
seeing a married man, or she had a fight with
a person on the phone, and maybe somebody else suggested
that maybe she was saying, no, I don't want to
see you tonight, I'm going away on holiday. We'll speak afterwards.
And he decided I'm coming aroun anyway and kicked the
door in.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But again, no, nothing was heard, there was no noise,
there was no shouting, there was no nothing. Nobody heard anything.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, I've got a question.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Done be anything to do sexually like motive with That's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Was it any sort of like sexual moodive? So I'm
she's coming to that. I think that's the right question.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Is a good question. I am coming to it. I
am coming to it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Sorry, if my husband come home with one coughlink, or
your partner or your boyfriend, you would be aware when
all this publicity was going on that you might know
the person involved.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah that's great actually, but then would you be scared
to come forward?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I guess if it was your husband and I have.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Been like fourteen other people though they owned those pufflinks
that were going at.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Exactly I've got to gee would be panicking.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
If you couldn't find the other one something, and you
like it somewhere, you just.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Won't come forward. I just won't. Maybe that's where it was.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Part two of the Alien Printy episode will be available
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