June 16, 2025 • 43 mins
This special episode takes listeners behind the scenes at CrimeCon UK and the True Crime Awards.
Listeners are treated to snippets of live sessions, personal reflections from podcasters, guests and organisers, offering a glimpse into the vibrant true crime community. This episode captures the excitement and camaraderie of the events, and showcases the diverse range of voices and perspectives that make up the true crime landscape.
We can't wait to attend CrimeCon in Manchester on 27th September 2025. You can get your tickets now at CrimeCon, and don't forget to use the code 'SCOTTISH' for a discount.
Don't miss out! Watch now on https://youtu.be/grxzcV_Scd4
Listeners are treated to snippets of live sessions, personal reflections from podcasters, guests and organisers, offering a glimpse into the vibrant true crime community. This episode captures the excitement and camaraderie of the events, and showcases the diverse range of voices and perspectives that make up the true crime landscape.
We can't wait to attend CrimeCon in Manchester on 27th September 2025. You can get your tickets now at CrimeCon, and don't forget to use the code 'SCOTTISH' for a discount.
Don't miss out! Watch now on https://youtu.be/grxzcV_Scd4
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a special Scottish Murders, True Crime Awards and
Crime Con episode. In this episode, you'll hear from some
of our fellow podcasters, listeners and organizations that were exhibiting
at Crime Con and find out what they enjoyed and
were inspired by at crime Con this year. We'll also
be showing videos and photos taken from both the True
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Crime Awards and Crime Con, including Peter and I on
stage presenting an award to the winner of the Outstanding
Indie Podcast category at the True Crime Awards, which was
partnered by our podcast company Clorinton, and me introducing Colin
Sutton onto the stage at crime Con. If you can,
I'd really recommend viewing this episode on YouTube so you
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don't miss out on the photos and videos that we'll
be sharing throughout this special episode. Plus there will be
subtitles in the video episode on YouTube. As the audio
is not always too clear, we did take our lava
layers with us to record the events for the best
audio possible and you'll see everyone holding and speaking into
one of our lavaliers. However, we messed up and we
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got the video no problem, but the lavaliers sadly didn't
record so there is quite a bit of background noise.
If you do decide to just listen instead of watching
on YouTube, then when music is playing, that's when videos
and photos taken at the event are being shown, but
more audio will be played in between this too. We
will put the link to watch on YouTube in the
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show notes, and you don't have to sign up or
have an account to watch on YouTube. Whether you listen
or watch, we hope you enjoy. We had an absolutely
fantastic time at both events and it was so great
to chat and catch up with everyone. And if you
weren't able to attend, we hope you enjoy this. Wee
snapshots first choice.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
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Speaker 3 (04:00):
H one to one too heavy hop Hello, hello, Hello. Okay, right,
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we'll do the introduce in normal introductions.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, already three. What I'm dress and.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I'm Sheryl and we you're killing sconsin Queens the podcast
where we Journey to the Spoke. You are scariest and
damn I weirdest calling us of the world and we're
here at crime Con.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I'm on today's episode. We're here with Scott's name.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
And what are you here for what's your What are
you here to see?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Honestly, honestly, this is our first crime const so we're
very excited to be here, to export a network, to
meet everybody, and to be honest, I am just open
and receptive to everything.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
She's going with the flow.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, she'll it out, take it slow and then we
can rock out the show.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
I've got a couple of things that I want to
see on our list, and also we're doing a live
show tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So only.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Talking about our top cults of the worlds in history.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Can you give us a sneak preview? What can we expect?
Speaker 8 (05:32):
Well, I might be talking about one that is from
nineties that is to do with spaceship.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And mine's quite a recent one. But we will not
be consuming any colloidal silver.
Speaker 9 (05:45):
Not a good idea.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Him Alice from Truly Criminals and Idea. And this is
actually our.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
First time ever at Crime can It has been such
an amazing experienced. It has been so much busier, there's
been so many more people, and just having a chance
to network and connect with people has been in all
of these amazing podcasts and YouTube chances. As we watched
and we know what to actually meet them persons is
like actually fan girl moment. I've had a few moments
(06:34):
where I've been ettally like freaking out and musical, you know,
I mean just being able to give some of the sessions.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I was in there a session with Laura Richards.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
And Maddie Hella talking about forss of control and profile people.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
Do personally control our partners, and it.
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Was such an eye opening, very sobering thing because that's
ultimately why we do what we do.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
It is called advocacy and so we can learn.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And we can help other people learn as well. It's
QUI focus always.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
It's fazy to be around my people that are exactly
the second yes for fresh and lovely.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
Yeah, Rianna, it's lovesome to meet you.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It's nice to meet you.
Speaker 11 (07:19):
Isn't your first time at crime Con.
Speaker 12 (07:21):
It's my first time at crime Con UK. I've been
to crime Con in Las Vegas, Orlando, and Nashville.
Speaker 11 (07:27):
And what are you thinking so far? Compared in the
the two countries.
Speaker 13 (07:31):
It's been interesting.
Speaker 12 (07:33):
I did run into the host of one podcast I
currently listened to. She's from California.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
What podcast is it?
Speaker 12 (07:38):
Once Upon a Crime with Esther Ludlow. Yes, and then yes,
and then I'm finding other new podcasts, which is always fun.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
And you just arrived in the UK.
Speaker 11 (07:47):
Haven't you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yes, I came yesterday.
Speaker 11 (07:48):
And you're then you're going where are you going after
crime Con?
Speaker 10 (07:51):
After Crime Con?
Speaker 12 (07:52):
Well, I'm technically going home, but then in July I'm
going to Scotland for almost three weeks.
Speaker 11 (07:57):
Right, Okay, you're traveling rolon, don't you tell us where
you're going?
Speaker 12 (08:01):
So I'm starting in Edinburgh and then going to Glasgow
and then roth Sea, back to Glasgow, Dundee, dan Wall
or So and the Orkney at Orkney and then down
to Inverness and then back to Edinburgh Corlas.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
How long are you going for?
Speaker 14 (08:16):
Three?
Speaker 12 (08:17):
About three weeks for this trip? And then in August
I'm coming back and we're going up to Aberdeen. A
friend is renting a wing in Castle Frasier, and then
we're also going to drive down to Wigtown, which is
the book town, and so.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We're just kind of continue our that's so cozy and
that's for a week.
Speaker 11 (08:34):
And the castle, yes, and where and you're going to
stay in Glasgow? Where do you staying when you're in Glasgow?
Speaker 12 (08:40):
We found a hotel that's a castle. But then we're
also gonna stay in the Cathedral House, which is supposedly
the most haunted hotel in Glasgow.
Speaker 11 (08:47):
Glasgow, Yeah, Glasgow. Yes, I'm like, I won't find ghosts,
I know perfect. What about Edinburgh? Are you going to
do the folks in Edinburgh as well?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
In Edinburgh? I haven't decided what I'm doing.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
A puffin tour out of there, okay, but I'm not
spending a lot of time at Edinburgh because I've been there.
I do want to try to do an underground tour.
I just have to figure out if I'm going to
be awake enough to do it when I first come
in or I'm going to do it right before I leave.
Speaker 11 (09:12):
It's gonna be amazing. It's really good to look forward
to it.
Speaker 12 (09:16):
I am, although I am concerned about the midges.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh yeah, the midges. You'll be fine. Just yeah, it'll
be fine. There's nothing you can do about I love
you or they hate you.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 11 (09:26):
I love you. You've had it, we have.
Speaker 12 (09:28):
We have them in Florida, so I'm slightly used to them.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But I'm just like, are these gonna be a different version?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, life exactly, So tell me what you're looking forward
to crime Code, who you're looking forward to see?
Speaker 12 (09:39):
And I'm kind of more interested in just learning about.
It's a different group of panelists than what Crime pun
Us has because Crime pon Us is all people I
know from podcasts and TV shows. So I'm really looking
forward to just finding new people to follow and all.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
That's so brilliant.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's gonna be who you work today.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I actually ca with by myself, but I've been meeting
a bunch of people. I met some of the volunteers,
I met some other solo travelers.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
So perfect.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Yeah, and there's an event. Did you go to the
Solo Flyers event?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I did?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Yeah? Was that good? It was good?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I re met some of the people I met
last night.
Speaker 11 (10:15):
Well, bro oh you went out last night as well.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
We went to the Alice Worth the kickoffs did as well.
Speaker 11 (10:19):
Yeah, I missed that, but yeah, I was supposed to go,
but you know, you get comfie. That's it.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
I kind of forced myself to.
Speaker 12 (10:26):
I was running on no sleep for over thirty hours.
I was like, I'm going to go and then go
back to the hotel and sleep.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
Yeah. Good, it's lovely meeting you. It's lovely that you've
been here, and I hope you judge Scotland when you
get there. That's nobody to go in.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I will thank you.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yeah, hard school dog.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
More solely respond or something.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Found out in Scotland.
Speaker 15 (11:14):
But welcome back to exhibit fee and our next speaker
needs no introduction.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I would the to be given them anyway.
Speaker 11 (11:20):
Is list of calling stuff.
Speaker 16 (11:28):
Colland is widely regarded as one of the Mex's most
accomplished sectors. He's led the teams that called Levi Bellfield
and Delroy Brown, two of the UK's most notorious criminals.
Speaker 15 (11:40):
In this session, called Frost from his new book The
Real Man Hunter Peacebook to share the inside story of
the cases that divide into his career from first call
to conviction.
Speaker 16 (11:51):
He renews the reality of her life at the shop.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Were like, I'm sorry, the reality of life for.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
The sharp end of nature, crime and investigations cost justice.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Please guys together.
Speaker 17 (12:05):
Second, what the feeling was was that we only get
a kind of snapshot on the TV program. We have
to make a TV program last forty three minutes or
whatever it is on commercial TV, and you've got other
people contributing, and that's when they came on us watched it.
(12:25):
Every single person that talks to you on the revolved
in that case. It was a journalist or a witness.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Or or.
Speaker 17 (13:04):
Carluke.
Speaker 11 (13:06):
And there was a murder in Carluke in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 18 (13:09):
And my three sisters who are older than I am,
who have loved dearly.
Speaker 19 (13:13):
I'll cry if I mentioned them too much.
Speaker 20 (13:16):
And my sisters went to school with the brother of.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The man that got convicted of the murder, and for
years and years and years and years and years, they
said he didn't do the murder.
Speaker 19 (13:28):
And I thought, and they said, you're the UK is
thinking criminologist, why don't you take up that case?
Speaker 18 (13:35):
And I was really reluctant to do so until I said,
but what would you feel if I thought.
Speaker 21 (13:42):
He was guilty?
Speaker 14 (13:43):
And they went, oh, that's okay, you're a brother. If
you tell us he's guilty, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
So I went, okay, I'll invest in.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Look at you.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
As a record.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Are you with us?
Speaker 22 (14:17):
I'm just about just about barely alive surviving.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You survive after your your session last night, a little session,
a couple of beers.
Speaker 22 (14:26):
But it is crime cont so we have to welcome
in the festivities with a couple.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
Of cheekis it would be end?
Speaker 22 (14:33):
People expect me to be hung over a crime?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Cont it's your reputation.
Speaker 22 (14:38):
Oh yes, lovely to be back, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (14:41):
What you think of the venue there is It's.
Speaker 22 (14:43):
Fantastic, isn't it. It's it's personal, it's not too big
and the sad. The acoustics are really good for podcasters.
Audiences have been great, really lovely. No stalkers yet they're
probably just around the corner.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You know that story.
Speaker 11 (14:58):
Yes, yeah, it's real.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You've made it big now.
Speaker 22 (15:03):
Oh yeah, they're probably waiting for us. I'm going to
pounce any second and hopefully tear on my clothes on
You don't which be lovely? I'm easy, I'm single.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There we go.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
It's not one of these sorts.
Speaker 11 (15:16):
It's not I'm single.
Speaker 22 (15:17):
I'm oh, I'm like, I'm thirty two years old? Really
thirty years old?
Speaker 14 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 22 (15:26):
Many moons ago?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
So are you going to see any of sessions today?
Speaker 22 (15:31):
I went to see Adam and Stewart do the crossover promo,
which was really good.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
That was really interesting.
Speaker 22 (15:37):
I have mine coming up very shortly. Is what you're
doing I am doing. Is Peter Bryant a cannibal? So
he's meant to be a famous cannibal, but I don't
think he is.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I've kind of pieced together all the evidence and I
think it's.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
A load of all. So that is my session session.
Speaker 14 (15:56):
Yeah, oh it's not.
Speaker 22 (15:58):
It's yeah, it's it's it's technically an hour and a
half long, and I need to cut it down in
my head to thirty minutes because it just you doing it.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Are you just.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
How long have you actually going to see?
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Half an hour?
Speaker 22 (16:11):
I think it's about forty minutes, but my TeX's not
working as well, So yeah, I tried it yesterday and
it was one hour twenty so I need to get
it down.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's fine, And when how long till you're on by now?
Speaker 22 (16:22):
Okay, okay, I'll be I'll wring it as a professional person.
I've rehearsed this multiple times and it went fine.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (16:34):
Swinging it.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah, okay, we'll let you go.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
And yeah, it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I only come to mind.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
All life, say how are you good?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I'm there?
Speaker 11 (17:01):
I love do you know what?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
There are so many lovely people I forget how.
Speaker 11 (17:06):
Lovely people are in this community.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And it's only when crime com comes about that I remember.
Speaker 23 (17:12):
And I know we all keep in touch on WhatsApp
groups and things like that, but there's nothing like seeing
you guys.
Speaker 13 (17:19):
And I always look so excited when I see your names,
and then is coming.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
So I'm having a lovely time and you're speaking speaking
your own sessions time.
Speaker 24 (17:30):
Yet it's women in time, and it's talking about it's
different women in different fields of time.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So we've got a.
Speaker 11 (17:37):
Police, a prison officer, which I always find so interesting.
Speaker 24 (17:42):
Like the world of prisons. Kagan's not here. There's usually
lovely Cagan.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Harry we miss.
Speaker 23 (17:50):
She's usually here, and I find there's well being and
welfare prison officers, something that we really going rearely think about.
We often stop at the time we've stopped at the
conviction and actually it's really interesting to think as.
Speaker 24 (18:03):
Other parts and this is what you said does and
it makes you think about the afternoons are There's so
many charities in.
Speaker 13 (18:09):
The one is that this year that have done some
really great work.
Speaker 24 (18:12):
And it's so lovely to be their stalking and the
love that's to keep going and to keep fighting for
change and advocating for other people one as themselves.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So it's not quite likely. There's nothing quite like it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's such a special police to come and just hold
it together and you know you're in the same spirit
speak safety with all your friends and it's all right.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
It's good to.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
One and the evening to.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Some of us.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Before the fact she's Scottish, Yeah, it's armers have a
lot more than that.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
My Yeah, you have a great session. It's lovely, lovely.
Speaker 13 (19:28):
Blue Murder claud My names Lauren, I'm My name's Carrie.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
We are.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Podcast and how are you getting on this weekend? What
have you enjoyed?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
We love having the at talking to the community, talking
about friends that we've made out the last couple of years.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
I'm just interacting with people that might have not been before.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
It's really a good fans on.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Isn't it.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
Yes, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's nice to see everybody again, like it's you just
you don't I don't know about you, but I don't
kind of tend to keep in touch with everybody all
the other podcast, so it's nice to come and just
be like, hey, you've.
Speaker 13 (20:03):
Been up to Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 25 (20:05):
And especially this circle here now, and that's where his
manage used to bring something fresh.
Speaker 13 (20:09):
So every year you come, you never know what to expect.
So it's always like you say, you've got your familiar,
but then you little fresh news stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yes, exactly, And what sessions have you been to have
been any?
Speaker 22 (20:20):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (20:20):
I just went to Natalie.
Speaker 25 (20:22):
I can't put that's her surname, but yeah, Natalie, the
lady who was stabbed twenty four times when she was
seven weeks pregnant.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yes, I wanted to go to that one was absolutely
and it was one of the best things I've ever
listened to in my life.
Speaker 25 (20:37):
She was so funny that her girls who charts, Yeah, sorry,
like she said, the emergency first stage she got when
she was bleeding to death on the pavement.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
They were trying to stop that.
Speaker 25 (20:50):
They went, smit's got thods of so yees stem the
blood and they said, you need fluids, and they got
her a coke.
Speaker 13 (20:56):
Shest she's dying is a die, No, she's and.
Speaker 25 (21:01):
The police women's like, you put your five minutes sleep,
you need to tuggar to string.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
She's like, I don't drink, I don't give back coke.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
Wait, I'm gonna go buy her book in a minute.
That highlights so far this week.
Speaker 20 (21:17):
I've been to a few podcasters their Love Studio, and
then we've done some I Want today.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
And last night Patricia the my co A, the Mushroom Bus, Mushrooms.
Speaker 13 (21:28):
It's just a fun girl.
Speaker 20 (21:30):
Right, Yeah, that was really cool and I just love
she's so funny, so dry, and she makes it to
the layman terms, might me understand it?
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Yeah, she's very knowledgeable. But I think all the speakers
are very knowledgeable.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Absolutely, even in.
Speaker 13 (21:44):
That quartogram minute session, they can really get the message
across in every nice clear way where you feel like
the food as well.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
Yeah, do you have a friend to a session yourselves?
Speaker 26 (21:54):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (21:54):
When I skip in that podcast and I think our
itching to get up there?
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Really really are you?
Speaker 11 (22:00):
Yeah, I'll I don't think that's what I'm becoming.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Look at that base, I don't have.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
The mind or listen.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Thanks for talking to.
Speaker 27 (22:17):
Someone.
Speaker 28 (22:18):
Tell me how many manners of desert?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
How many?
Speaker 28 (22:23):
We've got five? We've got five, let's go. We've got suicide, right,
We've got homicide, we've got accidental, right, we've got undetermined, what's.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Natural?
Speaker 28 (22:37):
We want to say, think so, I think that probably
denied on one call bird By Everyone said that you
can understand the dynamic of this event, and you need
to listen very closely. You'll hear pregnant from wrong. You'll
hear sam uh, that's who the call comes in from,
and issue. It's a call the same as no, no, no,
(22:59):
and you'll hear it. You'll hear what he says, and
just put yourself in this position if you had, you know,
tell someone that you loved him and that you won't
spend the rest of your listen to it.
Speaker 14 (23:16):
Oh, I got that sticking out. I just might just
block to my part of my see has to You're
on the floor with blood everywhere for six one flat
Rock Road? Please come? What do you go Old one
Rock Road?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
At the house or apartment?
Speaker 29 (23:32):
Oh?
Speaker 14 (23:33):
No, apartment, apartment? Please please? Being from I don't know.
I can't tell. I have to calm yourself down in
order to keep you somehow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She
I'm looking at her right now. I don't I can't
(23:53):
see anything. Shouldn't there's nothing broken, She's please, Ellie.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You don't know where she's leaning from.
Speaker 14 (23:58):
Heis coming if I think her head. I think she
hit her head. I take what you talk about it
everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
She might have fallen.
Speaker 14 (24:08):
She may have slipped his blood on the on the table.
Her her piece is a little purple. Okay, hold off
for resting for her stay on the phone. Four was
(24:29):
here forty six one flat Rock Road, Please Harry slip yes,
like I just my I went downstairs to work out.
I came back out the door of the lashed like
fiance's inside. She wasn't. She wasn't answering. So after a
half hour I decided to break it down. I see
(24:49):
her now. It's on the floor. It was blood. She's
not she's not responding. Okay, you breathing. Look at her
test I needed to calm down. I need to look
her chest, don't I really don't listen to me. Someone's
on the way. Look at her chest? Did she said
on mack? Look at her chest and tell me it's
(25:09):
just going up and down, up and down. I don't
see her moving. Okay, do you know how does this
cc R? I don't. Okay, I'm gonna tell you what
to do.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Okay, until they get there.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
I want you to keep her pond Yeah, welling is
the ctr with me over the phone, so they I
have to write. Okay, so you don't sat on her face,
bear her chest, anyone here all okay, you feel down
by her side? Oh my god, please listen.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You can't freak out.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
Okay, I'm trying to try her. Sure won't come off
as the zipper.
Speaker 29 (25:44):
Oh right, she.
Speaker 14 (25:45):
Stands herself where she's still night. Oh no, her nice
sticking out. What isn't that speaking out of her heart?
She said herself. I can't, I guess, so I don't
know where she's calling it. I don't know. Okay, well,
don't touch it, okay, to let here not what do
I do? I mean, you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's a nicer than her said.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
It's want to be kind of hard for you at
the time. Oh no, oh my goodness.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
Okay, what.
Speaker 30 (26:25):
Even all the time?
Speaker 10 (26:28):
Just just a little bit. Let's say I came here
sometimes like let's player.
Speaker 31 (26:36):
Okay, okay, doing this, favorite said a little time, I
I him, So the last time.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
For one day.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So it's my daughter's birthday and I can only be
here for today.
Speaker 19 (26:56):
So I've got the half five train this morning and
at eight o'clock trains it's a longer.
Speaker 13 (27:05):
I can do it, and it's worth it. It's worth
it to look at the cant worth it.
Speaker 31 (27:10):
And she's going to be seven seven to much.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
She's obsessed with a Simmers the watch Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's a Christmas watch, but it's red, Red on Red.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
She loves it.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Since she loves it, so you're joining here.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yes, I've had a little dreams.
Speaker 19 (27:30):
I love meeting the fellow like yourself.
Speaker 13 (27:34):
And the good thing about this is the guests.
Speaker 19 (27:36):
I'm starting to recognize the guests and just to come
back each year, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
She kind of remember them. It's almost like meeting old
friend and which was pretty cool.
Speaker 13 (27:45):
And then you meet new friends.
Speaker 31 (27:46):
I've had two patreons come what in fact, sorry, one was.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
A patron from Canada.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I mean she didn't come just to see me.
Speaker 19 (27:54):
She was on hollow and happened to come here. The
the other one was from Australia, which is a long
way away. You know, it's a few few at least
a few hundred miles. Yeah, and yes, no she came
on hold it it's just by chance.
Speaker 32 (28:13):
Yeah, please do someone needs to know. But yeah, we
did a session, Adam and I was the correct way
of saying it. So Adam from You Get Through Crime
legend in the game, mister.
Speaker 31 (28:28):
Unprepared, He's always prepared.
Speaker 32 (28:31):
That's his style.
Speaker 13 (28:32):
I'm prepared, he's unprepared to.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Kind of work.
Speaker 19 (28:34):
But yeah, we did a live it's like a live loud,
a live lounge with the live music. It's like that
with a small audience. People are getting involved, asking questions,
and it's kind of a pilot of what we want
to potentially do for a live show.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
He maybe maybe we were testing out it went well.
Speaker 19 (28:53):
David Wilson was in there, thankfully, and he got involved
a lot and he was supported so we could.
Speaker 10 (28:58):
Use his name to plug the episode of Jim.
Speaker 13 (29:00):
It was good.
Speaker 18 (29:01):
It was good.
Speaker 13 (29:06):
Possibly.
Speaker 33 (29:06):
Yeah, So we do a monthly collaboration just talking about
what's in the news now for the Prime round Up,
and we're hoping that maybe we could turn that into
some kind of live thing.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean, I don't know that was the pilot.
Speaker 10 (29:19):
I say, well, it's it's more casual, informal and.
Speaker 19 (29:26):
Interactive in our normal episode, which is just was talking about.
Speaker 13 (29:30):
To his friend, but it's somewhat different.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Wh's it's good to get people involved in.
Speaker 19 (29:41):
I agree with that.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
There, go.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Up there.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Please Scottish.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
You know.
Speaker 31 (29:58):
My granddad blays him before he five Scottish.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
It's so nice to see you again.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
It's lovely to be. Pardon's lovely to it's just nice
to be.
Speaker 27 (30:29):
Need to need the country creative again. Nice to me
to move again as well. So I said last year,
what kind of things have you been up to in
the in the last year Scottish murders.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I've been taking you to break from stature.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm fair again.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I'm gonna do just trying to get.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
A bit of pointing.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
So what are you here to see you?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So I'm here for today, so I'm not gonnare you
second day?
Speaker 27 (30:56):
But after this I'm going to feel you from into
the friends and West into the session.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I'm really for to hearing about that because I've put
all my friends with me.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Who doesn't really know much about some crime, but she
kind of knows a little bit about Fred and Rose West.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I'm bringing her over to the dark side. Thank you
as well.
Speaker 26 (31:30):
Hi, Selling John, It's lovely to see you again at
crime car.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
I've you enjoyed you so you enjoyed your weekend?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Enjoyed, fabulous, absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 18 (31:52):
We met lots of you people, contacts and lovely people
and talks and that's why we're here, isn't it.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
We're all here to sell.
Speaker 18 (32:00):
Our ideas and meet other people a network network, that's
what the name of the game is.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
And also meet our listeners.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
That's important exactly.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And we get a lot of people from when.
Speaker 18 (32:11):
We've never heard they heard us, so they come and find.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Us out and have a chat and watch your podcast.
Tell us about your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Were you are investigators the UK?
Speaker 13 (32:24):
All our cases are UK based.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
The reason for that was we thought we thought the
other markets at.
Speaker 20 (32:32):
The American market Ustadium market is pretty much saturated.
Speaker 30 (32:35):
And the other thing is because they are UKA based,
it means we can travel two relevant locations associated with
the case that we're reviewing, so you can get in
the car and and go to those go to those places.
Speaker 18 (32:52):
And we also obviously you know our police background and
Sally was a police officer and our lawyer and after
that with the career.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Thirty years I did in the police before retiring, we.
Speaker 18 (33:06):
Bring that experience to develop the podcast. So we're basically
going back to whole style policing. Talking to Queen, finding
the people to witnesses, interviewing the beautiful and getting their stories, very.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
Similar to being an old.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
What a session of you enjoyed, watched, captivated? Of all
the sessions throughout grim quiry.
Speaker 20 (33:32):
I saw one that was a miscarriage of justice that
Joe Millington, the forensic.
Speaker 13 (33:41):
Scientist delivered.
Speaker 29 (33:45):
She just came ust to because we've worked with Joe
RepA on our podcast, and she just said, the answer
isn't something like.
Speaker 20 (33:58):
Wow with that DNA, it's how you interpret it and
where did that DNA come from?
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Why is it there?
Speaker 20 (34:05):
You know, a whole context and she is a fascinating
listening to, so that one was sticks out in my mind.
Speaker 18 (34:18):
I've been understand most of our two days.
Speaker 19 (34:21):
Year so talking to people and meeting people.
Speaker 18 (34:24):
The only one which we've been to and work together
was the ethics lady from Newcastle University, which is rearing
its head in what sort of media that podcasting is
now delving into so many areas that not saying anybody's
doing anything wrong, but it's all so you know, is
(34:45):
it regulated? Can we self regulate?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Is it time for guide the guidelines.
Speaker 18 (34:53):
Education? You know, because with our police and lawyer background,
we are mindful of things that probably people started out
in podcasting want to talk on.
Speaker 10 (35:04):
And when you come here, you meet so many professionals
who are willing to help us.
Speaker 18 (35:10):
They're not doing it for money, they're doing it as
a good will to promote forensic science or whatever.
Speaker 19 (35:17):
Field they're in.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
That's interesting and we've we've view several people on yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, and we wouldn't come into crime kind.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
For the world.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Hellola to meet you, lovely to meet you too, And
this is your first time, it.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Is yes, you wouldn't.
Speaker 11 (35:41):
What proposity are you here?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
So we're here promoting our organization. It's quite new.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
We are Weak Safeguarding and the Center for Animally Pleasing Safeguarding.
So we work to close upholsage knowledge, policy and practice
to create a better approach to your proper whole family
and holistic approach to ending all forms of crime and
just making sure that we're including animals when we're thinking.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
About how better to protect people out at.
Speaker 21 (36:07):
So when our loop safeguarding, which is our umbrella body
learneder that we have science, our training, education, research and consultancy.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And then we have our department which is the center
sign of inclusive safety guarding and that is our blueprint.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
So it's our roadmap for professionals to be able to
look at, in their specific job, in their specific sector,
how can they feud animals in a way that is
going to the better as a preventative and a better
response to violence prevention and kind of responding to different crimes.
So I did a lot of work in the domestic
abuse and field, and then I moved through graphical areas
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and I started working in training education for the National
Welsh Charity in Wales, delivering some of the kind of
cholmaking practice, domestic abusion and a natural police training. And
then I got my dog in twenty ninety And I've
always had animals and I had shucats, but when I
got my dog, I became really interested in him.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was like, why are you thinking? Why you're doing that?
Speaker 7 (37:10):
So I kind of got into caain on paving are
being in psychology, and then I mashed the two together
to make what I do now, which is as soon
as I realized just how scenting emotional the dogs are,
and from the research, we know that they have a
cognitive ability and the emotional capacity of about three or
four year child. So when we're doing all this work
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around children living in abusive homes and preventing that. We
always talking about the animal as like a victim in
their own right, So that's why that's one of kind
of the motor expacts for setting that really was.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
To kind of get that thought about a bit more.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
And you've cently going to just start a podcast as well.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, hopefully so Closing Loopholes will be our podcast, and
hopefully it will look at some of the interceptions of
different crime types and how animals will fit into that,
because if you look at any crime type, you could
give me any crime and.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I'll be able to tell you how animals fit into that.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
From anything from human trafficking where dogs are often used
as a weton to keep them people in the building,
to you know, drug trafficking again where they often use
the dog to protect the building or wherever they're holding
the drugs, to domestic abuse where we see the animal
and the human animal bond being exploited as a tax
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good coos of control, all the way into sectives.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Dog fighting and breeding and be farming.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
It all like links together, but unfortunately the animals are
kind of being missed out.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
That just because emos just control us.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
So the human animal bond is a really strong thing.
So do you have a you have a pet? Yeah, yeah,
people who love animals will have pets in and like that.
Really that really on.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
So we get kind of lurb but rumfort enjoyed from
our pets, and they kind of get that fromverse as well,
and so perpetrate is a plastic abuse of words of control.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
They don't like that because they'll be trying to isolate
you from all.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Your friends or your family member and get all of
your attention to them, and kind of your whole life
is around locating them, trying to be the safe and
so what you get from your animal is some.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Form of love and friendship which you are not really
allowed to have from leus. So they don't like it.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
So they will do things like not allowed to be
in the same room as your animal. They might interrupt your.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Ability to take your animals of theirs, or you pay
for pet food.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
And there's a lot of ton of economic abuse so
that they're controlling the finances.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And you know, emotional black kind of emotional harm to
both the.
Speaker 11 (39:45):
Humans and the earth.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
You job yet think, and there's lots of objection and
breadth to that because lots of people think, oh, it's.
Speaker 21 (39:55):
Where they physically can't or dark or they could the animals,
and that does happen, but it's what's so much wider
than that, you know, like people I've been saying the
economic side with the stalking so often they will use
the pet GPS trackers, so you know, you could go
and have your.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Pick pat your.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Air tag, you know, and it's pitched as if your
dog runs away or your animals, but you'll know where
they are.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
But then the perpetrat will weaponize that.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Then they're able to chat to you because you're with
your animals.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
You know, you're on a dog walk somewhere and they
can follow where you are. The pet tracker. Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
What do.
Speaker 30 (40:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Are you enjoying you find.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
People come into decisions or is it your Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
So we're talking.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
We're talking on a panel tomorrow, so hopefully people will
become like more know we're here a little bit more
kids will be talking. But on the people we've spoken to,
everyone has been so nice, welcoming and kind and they're
really interested in it because I think we're actually when
I spoke to the people that sat crime when they
said they've never had an animal or person come and talk.
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And because I've got the dual backgrounding animal behavior and
the human bit demology sithing, it's kind of an interesting
niche mash up.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I suppose.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
Hi, David, Hello, Thank It's gone on reason this year.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Isn't it.
Speaker 10 (41:24):
Yeah, it's been amazing.
Speaker 34 (41:27):
I feel like we've had a real mix of everything
from advocacy, our families on stage telling the stories they
need to be told. We've had podcasters doing their thing.
It's been honestly one of the most incredible events that
I have ever had the pleasure of being involved in.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
So yeah, I'm just thrilled to make it happen.
Speaker 11 (41:44):
And how are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It's there?
Speaker 10 (41:47):
I know I am feeling. I feel great.
Speaker 34 (41:50):
I feel super super grateful, humbled to you know, be
here and to see these stories and kind of see
all of these contributors.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
I won't lie.
Speaker 34 (41:58):
I'm a little bit tired about ready from a bad
but no, it's been incredible and I feel nothing but
kind of pride and relief.
Speaker 10 (42:07):
And yeah, I feel a little bit emotional about the
whole thing. So, yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
You've done an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You always do.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
This is the face of you're behind.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Everything to get to see you very.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
Often, It's true.
Speaker 10 (42:19):
I mean I don't like to show this very often, but.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
Are you doing it?
Speaker 10 (42:22):
I appreciate no, of course.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
And I know it's really hard to pick, But is
it something that's really stood out for you about the
whole Try weekend? Have you seen anything?
Speaker 34 (42:30):
I think I think one of the things that's definitely
stood out is definitely the victim of stories that we've
done across so people like Natalie kay As. She's obviously
you know, she's been through so much for those that
don't know just a whistle stock store of their story.
She was stabbed twenty seven times while she was eight
months pregnant, and.
Speaker 10 (42:49):
She lived to tell the tale and so did her baby.
Speaker 34 (42:52):
For her to take to the stage and talk so
eloquently for the first time actually with her family in
the audience, this.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
I kind one day.
Speaker 34 (43:00):
No, it was incredible and I think there was the
dry eye in the house. But it's not just about
that that impactful storytelling. It's about actually the heart the people,
the kind of the people behind the story and seeing
her take to the stage with such confidence and being
so open and vulnerable and more about her story. It'll
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stay with me forever and it was a real kind
of poign a moment for me this year's dad.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
Thanks.
Speaker 11 (43:27):
Enjoy your drinks.
Speaker 10 (43:28):
Yes, I absolutely will come in until I got a prosecco.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
In hand and that's it.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I hope you enjoy today's behind the scenes episode and
I hope you did get to watch it on YouTube.
A huge thank you to everyone who recorded with me
at crime Con for this video. It was great fun.
So I'll be back in two weeks time with another
normal Scottish Murders episode, so catch you then.
Welcome to a special Scottish Murders, True Crime Awards and
Crime Con episode. In this episode, you'll hear from some
of our fellow podcasters, listeners and organizations that were exhibiting
at Crime Con and find out what they enjoyed and
were inspired by at crime Con this year. We'll also
be showing videos and photos taken from both the True
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Crime Awards and Crime Con, including Peter and I on
stage presenting an award to the winner of the Outstanding
Indie Podcast category at the True Crime Awards, which was
partnered by our podcast company Clorinton, and me introducing Colin
Sutton onto the stage at crime Con. If you can,
I'd really recommend viewing this episode on YouTube so you
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don't miss out on the photos and videos that we'll
be sharing throughout this special episode. Plus there will be
subtitles in the video episode on YouTube. As the audio
is not always too clear, we did take our lava
layers with us to record the events for the best
audio possible and you'll see everyone holding and speaking into
one of our lavaliers. However, we messed up and we
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got the video no problem, but the lavaliers sadly didn't
record so there is quite a bit of background noise.
If you do decide to just listen instead of watching
on YouTube, then when music is playing, that's when videos
and photos taken at the event are being shown, but
more audio will be played in between this too. We
will put the link to watch on YouTube in the
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show notes, and you don't have to sign up or
have an account to watch on YouTube. Whether you listen
or watch, we hope you enjoy. We had an absolutely
fantastic time at both events and it was so great
to chat and catch up with everyone. And if you
weren't able to attend, we hope you enjoy this. Wee
snapshots first choice.
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Speaker 3 (04:00):
H one to one too heavy hop Hello, hello, Hello. Okay, right,
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we'll do the introduce in normal introductions.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, already three. What I'm dress and.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I'm Sheryl and we you're killing sconsin Queens the podcast
where we Journey to the Spoke. You are scariest and
damn I weirdest calling us of the world and we're
here at crime Con.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I'm on today's episode. We're here with Scott's name.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
And what are you here for what's your What are
you here to see?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Honestly, honestly, this is our first crime const so we're
very excited to be here, to export a network, to
meet everybody, and to be honest, I am just open
and receptive to everything.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
She's going with the flow.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, she'll it out, take it slow and then we
can rock out the show.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
I've got a couple of things that I want to
see on our list, and also we're doing a live
show tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So only.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Talking about our top cults of the worlds in history.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Can you give us a sneak preview? What can we expect?
Speaker 8 (05:32):
Well, I might be talking about one that is from
nineties that is to do with spaceship.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And mine's quite a recent one. But we will not
be consuming any colloidal silver.
Speaker 9 (05:45):
Not a good idea.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Him Alice from Truly Criminals and Idea. And this is
actually our.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
First time ever at Crime can It has been such
an amazing experienced. It has been so much busier, there's
been so many more people, and just having a chance
to network and connect with people has been in all
of these amazing podcasts and YouTube chances. As we watched
and we know what to actually meet them persons is
like actually fan girl moment. I've had a few moments
(06:34):
where I've been ettally like freaking out and musical, you know,
I mean just being able to give some of the sessions.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I was in there a session with Laura Richards.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
And Maddie Hella talking about forss of control and profile people.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
Do personally control our partners, and it.
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Was such an eye opening, very sobering thing because that's
ultimately why we do what we do.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
It is called advocacy and so we can learn.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And we can help other people learn as well. It's
QUI focus always.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
It's fazy to be around my people that are exactly
the second yes for fresh and lovely.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
Yeah, Rianna, it's lovesome to meet you.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It's nice to meet you.
Speaker 11 (07:19):
Isn't your first time at crime Con.
Speaker 12 (07:21):
It's my first time at crime Con UK. I've been
to crime Con in Las Vegas, Orlando, and Nashville.
Speaker 11 (07:27):
And what are you thinking so far? Compared in the
the two countries.
Speaker 13 (07:31):
It's been interesting.
Speaker 12 (07:33):
I did run into the host of one podcast I
currently listened to. She's from California.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
What podcast is it?
Speaker 12 (07:38):
Once Upon a Crime with Esther Ludlow. Yes, and then yes,
and then I'm finding other new podcasts, which is always fun.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
And you just arrived in the UK.
Speaker 11 (07:47):
Haven't you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yes, I came yesterday.
Speaker 11 (07:48):
And you're then you're going where are you going after
crime Con?
Speaker 10 (07:51):
After Crime Con?
Speaker 12 (07:52):
Well, I'm technically going home, but then in July I'm
going to Scotland for almost three weeks.
Speaker 11 (07:57):
Right, Okay, you're traveling rolon, don't you tell us where
you're going?
Speaker 12 (08:01):
So I'm starting in Edinburgh and then going to Glasgow
and then roth Sea, back to Glasgow, Dundee, dan Wall
or So and the Orkney at Orkney and then down
to Inverness and then back to Edinburgh Corlas.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
How long are you going for?
Speaker 14 (08:16):
Three?
Speaker 12 (08:17):
About three weeks for this trip? And then in August
I'm coming back and we're going up to Aberdeen. A
friend is renting a wing in Castle Frasier, and then
we're also going to drive down to Wigtown, which is
the book town, and so.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We're just kind of continue our that's so cozy and
that's for a week.
Speaker 11 (08:34):
And the castle, yes, and where and you're going to
stay in Glasgow? Where do you staying when you're in Glasgow?
Speaker 12 (08:40):
We found a hotel that's a castle. But then we're
also gonna stay in the Cathedral House, which is supposedly
the most haunted hotel in Glasgow.
Speaker 11 (08:47):
Glasgow, Yeah, Glasgow. Yes, I'm like, I won't find ghosts,
I know perfect. What about Edinburgh? Are you going to
do the folks in Edinburgh as well?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
In Edinburgh? I haven't decided what I'm doing.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
A puffin tour out of there, okay, but I'm not
spending a lot of time at Edinburgh because I've been there.
I do want to try to do an underground tour.
I just have to figure out if I'm going to
be awake enough to do it when I first come
in or I'm going to do it right before I leave.
Speaker 11 (09:12):
It's gonna be amazing. It's really good to look forward
to it.
Speaker 12 (09:16):
I am, although I am concerned about the midges.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh yeah, the midges. You'll be fine. Just yeah, it'll
be fine. There's nothing you can do about I love
you or they hate you.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 11 (09:26):
I love you. You've had it, we have.
Speaker 12 (09:28):
We have them in Florida, so I'm slightly used to them.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But I'm just like, are these gonna be a different version?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, life exactly, So tell me what you're looking forward
to crime Code, who you're looking forward to see?
Speaker 12 (09:39):
And I'm kind of more interested in just learning about.
It's a different group of panelists than what Crime pun
Us has because Crime pon Us is all people I
know from podcasts and TV shows. So I'm really looking
forward to just finding new people to follow and all.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
That's so brilliant.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's gonna be who you work today.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I actually ca with by myself, but I've been meeting
a bunch of people. I met some of the volunteers,
I met some other solo travelers.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
So perfect.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Yeah, and there's an event. Did you go to the
Solo Flyers event?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I did?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Yeah? Was that good? It was good?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I re met some of the people I met
last night.
Speaker 11 (10:15):
Well, bro oh you went out last night as well.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
We went to the Alice Worth the kickoffs did as well.
Speaker 11 (10:19):
Yeah, I missed that, but yeah, I was supposed to go,
but you know, you get comfie. That's it.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
I kind of forced myself to.
Speaker 12 (10:26):
I was running on no sleep for over thirty hours.
I was like, I'm going to go and then go
back to the hotel and sleep.
Speaker 11 (10:32):
Yeah. Good, it's lovely meeting you. It's lovely that you've
been here, and I hope you judge Scotland when you
get there. That's nobody to go in.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I will thank you.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yeah, hard school dog.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
More solely respond or something.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Found out in Scotland.
Speaker 15 (11:14):
But welcome back to exhibit fee and our next speaker
needs no introduction.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I would the to be given them anyway.
Speaker 11 (11:20):
Is list of calling stuff.
Speaker 16 (11:28):
Colland is widely regarded as one of the Mex's most
accomplished sectors. He's led the teams that called Levi Bellfield
and Delroy Brown, two of the UK's most notorious criminals.
Speaker 15 (11:40):
In this session, called Frost from his new book The
Real Man Hunter Peacebook to share the inside story of
the cases that divide into his career from first call
to conviction.
Speaker 16 (11:51):
He renews the reality of her life at the shop.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Were like, I'm sorry, the reality of life for.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
The sharp end of nature, crime and investigations cost justice.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Please guys together.
Speaker 17 (12:05):
Second, what the feeling was was that we only get
a kind of snapshot on the TV program. We have
to make a TV program last forty three minutes or
whatever it is on commercial TV, and you've got other
people contributing, and that's when they came on us watched it.
(12:25):
Every single person that talks to you on the revolved
in that case. It was a journalist or a witness.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Or or.
Speaker 17 (13:04):
Carluke.
Speaker 11 (13:06):
And there was a murder in Carluke in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 18 (13:09):
And my three sisters who are older than I am,
who have loved dearly.
Speaker 19 (13:13):
I'll cry if I mentioned them too much.
Speaker 20 (13:16):
And my sisters went to school with the brother of.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The man that got convicted of the murder, and for
years and years and years and years and years, they
said he didn't do the murder.
Speaker 19 (13:28):
And I thought, and they said, you're the UK is
thinking criminologist, why don't you take up that case?
Speaker 18 (13:35):
And I was really reluctant to do so until I said,
but what would you feel if I thought.
Speaker 21 (13:42):
He was guilty?
Speaker 14 (13:43):
And they went, oh, that's okay, you're a brother. If
you tell us he's guilty, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
So I went, okay, I'll invest in.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Look at you.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
As a record.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Are you with us?
Speaker 22 (14:17):
I'm just about just about barely alive surviving.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You survive after your your session last night, a little session,
a couple of beers.
Speaker 22 (14:26):
But it is crime cont so we have to welcome
in the festivities with a couple.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
Of cheekis it would be end?
Speaker 22 (14:33):
People expect me to be hung over a crime?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Cont it's your reputation.
Speaker 22 (14:38):
Oh yes, lovely to be back, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (14:41):
What you think of the venue there is It's.
Speaker 22 (14:43):
Fantastic, isn't it. It's it's personal, it's not too big
and the sad. The acoustics are really good for podcasters.
Audiences have been great, really lovely. No stalkers yet they're
probably just around the corner.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You know that story.
Speaker 11 (14:58):
Yes, yeah, it's real.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You've made it big now.
Speaker 22 (15:03):
Oh yeah, they're probably waiting for us. I'm going to
pounce any second and hopefully tear on my clothes on
You don't which be lovely? I'm easy, I'm single.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There we go.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
It's not one of these sorts.
Speaker 11 (15:16):
It's not I'm single.
Speaker 22 (15:17):
I'm oh, I'm like, I'm thirty two years old? Really
thirty years old?
Speaker 14 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 22 (15:26):
Many moons ago?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
So are you going to see any of sessions today?
Speaker 22 (15:31):
I went to see Adam and Stewart do the crossover promo,
which was really good.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
That was really interesting.
Speaker 22 (15:37):
I have mine coming up very shortly. Is what you're
doing I am doing. Is Peter Bryant a cannibal? So
he's meant to be a famous cannibal, but I don't
think he is.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I've kind of pieced together all the evidence and I
think it's.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
A load of all. So that is my session session.
Speaker 14 (15:56):
Yeah, oh it's not.
Speaker 22 (15:58):
It's yeah, it's it's it's technically an hour and a
half long, and I need to cut it down in
my head to thirty minutes because it just you doing it.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Are you just.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
How long have you actually going to see?
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Half an hour?
Speaker 22 (16:11):
I think it's about forty minutes, but my TeX's not
working as well, So yeah, I tried it yesterday and
it was one hour twenty so I need to get
it down.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's fine, And when how long till you're on by now?
Speaker 22 (16:22):
Okay, okay, I'll be I'll wring it as a professional person.
I've rehearsed this multiple times and it went fine.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (16:34):
Swinging it.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah, okay, we'll let you go.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
And yeah, it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I only come to mind.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
All life, say how are you good?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I'm there?
Speaker 11 (17:01):
I love do you know what?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
There are so many lovely people I forget how.
Speaker 11 (17:06):
Lovely people are in this community.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And it's only when crime com comes about that I remember.
Speaker 23 (17:12):
And I know we all keep in touch on WhatsApp
groups and things like that, but there's nothing like seeing
you guys.
Speaker 13 (17:19):
And I always look so excited when I see your names,
and then is coming.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
So I'm having a lovely time and you're speaking speaking
your own sessions time.
Speaker 24 (17:30):
Yet it's women in time, and it's talking about it's
different women in different fields of time.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So we've got a.
Speaker 11 (17:37):
Police, a prison officer, which I always find so interesting.
Speaker 24 (17:42):
Like the world of prisons. Kagan's not here. There's usually
lovely Cagan.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Harry we miss.
Speaker 23 (17:50):
She's usually here, and I find there's well being and
welfare prison officers, something that we really going rearely think about.
We often stop at the time we've stopped at the
conviction and actually it's really interesting to think as.
Speaker 24 (18:03):
Other parts and this is what you said does and
it makes you think about the afternoons are There's so
many charities in.
Speaker 13 (18:09):
The one is that this year that have done some
really great work.
Speaker 24 (18:12):
And it's so lovely to be their stalking and the
love that's to keep going and to keep fighting for
change and advocating for other people one as themselves.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So it's not quite likely. There's nothing quite like it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's so nice.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's such a special police to come and just hold
it together and you know you're in the same spirit
speak safety with all your friends and it's all right.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
It's good to.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
One and the evening to.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Some of us.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Before the fact she's Scottish, Yeah, it's armers have a
lot more than that.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
My Yeah, you have a great session. It's lovely, lovely.
Speaker 13 (19:28):
Blue Murder claud My names Lauren, I'm My name's Carrie.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
We are.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Podcast and how are you getting on this weekend? What
have you enjoyed?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
We love having the at talking to the community, talking
about friends that we've made out the last couple of years.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
I'm just interacting with people that might have not been before.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
It's really a good fans on.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Isn't it.
Speaker 11 (19:52):
Yes, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's nice to see everybody again, like it's you just
you don't I don't know about you, but I don't
kind of tend to keep in touch with everybody all
the other podcast, so it's nice to come and just
be like, hey, you've.
Speaker 13 (20:03):
Been up to Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 25 (20:05):
And especially this circle here now, and that's where his
manage used to bring something fresh.
Speaker 13 (20:09):
So every year you come, you never know what to expect.
So it's always like you say, you've got your familiar,
but then you little fresh news stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yes, exactly, And what sessions have you been to have
been any?
Speaker 22 (20:20):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (20:20):
I just went to Natalie.
Speaker 25 (20:22):
I can't put that's her surname, but yeah, Natalie, the
lady who was stabbed twenty four times when she was
seven weeks pregnant.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yes, I wanted to go to that one was absolutely
and it was one of the best things I've ever
listened to in my life.
Speaker 25 (20:37):
She was so funny that her girls who charts, Yeah, sorry,
like she said, the emergency first stage she got when
she was bleeding to death on the pavement.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
They were trying to stop that.
Speaker 25 (20:50):
They went, smit's got thods of so yees stem the
blood and they said, you need fluids, and they got
her a coke.
Speaker 13 (20:56):
Shest she's dying is a die, No, she's and.
Speaker 25 (21:01):
The police women's like, you put your five minutes sleep,
you need to tuggar to string.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
She's like, I don't drink, I don't give back coke.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
Wait, I'm gonna go buy her book in a minute.
That highlights so far this week.
Speaker 20 (21:17):
I've been to a few podcasters their Love Studio, and
then we've done some I Want today.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
And last night Patricia the my co A, the Mushroom Bus, Mushrooms.
Speaker 13 (21:28):
It's just a fun girl.
Speaker 20 (21:30):
Right, Yeah, that was really cool and I just love
she's so funny, so dry, and she makes it to
the layman terms, might me understand it?
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Yeah, she's very knowledgeable. But I think all the speakers
are very knowledgeable.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Absolutely, even in.
Speaker 13 (21:44):
That quartogram minute session, they can really get the message
across in every nice clear way where you feel like
the food as well.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
Yeah, do you have a friend to a session yourselves?
Speaker 26 (21:54):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (21:54):
When I skip in that podcast and I think our
itching to get up there?
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Really really are you?
Speaker 11 (22:00):
Yeah, I'll I don't think that's what I'm becoming.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Look at that base, I don't have.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
The mind or listen.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Thanks for talking to.
Speaker 27 (22:17):
Someone.
Speaker 28 (22:18):
Tell me how many manners of desert?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
How many?
Speaker 28 (22:23):
We've got five? We've got five, let's go. We've got suicide, right,
We've got homicide, we've got accidental, right, we've got undetermined, what's.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Natural?
Speaker 28 (22:37):
We want to say, think so, I think that probably
denied on one call bird By Everyone said that you
can understand the dynamic of this event, and you need
to listen very closely. You'll hear pregnant from wrong. You'll
hear sam uh, that's who the call comes in from,
and issue. It's a call the same as no, no, no,
(22:59):
and you'll hear it. You'll hear what he says, and
just put yourself in this position if you had, you know,
tell someone that you loved him and that you won't
spend the rest of your listen to it.
Speaker 14 (23:16):
Oh, I got that sticking out. I just might just
block to my part of my see has to You're
on the floor with blood everywhere for six one flat
Rock Road? Please come? What do you go Old one
Rock Road?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
At the house or apartment?
Speaker 29 (23:32):
Oh?
Speaker 14 (23:33):
No, apartment, apartment? Please please? Being from I don't know.
I can't tell. I have to calm yourself down in
order to keep you somehow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She
I'm looking at her right now. I don't I can't
(23:53):
see anything. Shouldn't there's nothing broken, She's please, Ellie.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You don't know where she's leaning from.
Speaker 14 (23:58):
Heis coming if I think her head. I think she
hit her head. I take what you talk about it
everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
She might have fallen.
Speaker 14 (24:08):
She may have slipped his blood on the on the table.
Her her piece is a little purple. Okay, hold off
for resting for her stay on the phone. Four was
(24:29):
here forty six one flat Rock Road, Please Harry slip yes,
like I just my I went downstairs to work out.
I came back out the door of the lashed like
fiance's inside. She wasn't. She wasn't answering. So after a
half hour I decided to break it down. I see
(24:49):
her now. It's on the floor. It was blood. She's
not she's not responding. Okay, you breathing. Look at her
test I needed to calm down. I need to look
her chest, don't I really don't listen to me. Someone's
on the way. Look at her chest? Did she said
on mack? Look at her chest and tell me it's
(25:09):
just going up and down, up and down. I don't
see her moving. Okay, do you know how does this
cc R? I don't. Okay, I'm gonna tell you what
to do.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Okay, until they get there.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
I want you to keep her pond Yeah, welling is
the ctr with me over the phone, so they I
have to write. Okay, so you don't sat on her face,
bear her chest, anyone here all okay, you feel down
by her side? Oh my god, please listen.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You can't freak out.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
Okay, I'm trying to try her. Sure won't come off
as the zipper.
Speaker 29 (25:44):
Oh right, she.
Speaker 14 (25:45):
Stands herself where she's still night. Oh no, her nice
sticking out. What isn't that speaking out of her heart?
She said herself. I can't, I guess, so I don't
know where she's calling it. I don't know. Okay, well,
don't touch it, okay, to let here not what do
I do? I mean, you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's a nicer than her said.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
It's want to be kind of hard for you at
the time. Oh no, oh my goodness.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
Okay, what.
Speaker 30 (26:25):
Even all the time?
Speaker 10 (26:28):
Just just a little bit. Let's say I came here
sometimes like let's player.
Speaker 31 (26:36):
Okay, okay, doing this, favorite said a little time, I
I him, So the last time.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
For one day.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So it's my daughter's birthday and I can only be
here for today.
Speaker 19 (26:56):
So I've got the half five train this morning and
at eight o'clock trains it's a longer.
Speaker 13 (27:05):
I can do it, and it's worth it. It's worth
it to look at the cant worth it.
Speaker 31 (27:10):
And she's going to be seven seven to much.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
She's obsessed with a Simmers the watch Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's a Christmas watch, but it's red, Red on Red.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
She loves it.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Since she loves it, so you're joining here.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yes, I've had a little dreams.
Speaker 19 (27:30):
I love meeting the fellow like yourself.
Speaker 13 (27:34):
And the good thing about this is the guests.
Speaker 19 (27:36):
I'm starting to recognize the guests and just to come
back each year, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
She kind of remember them. It's almost like meeting old
friend and which was pretty cool.
Speaker 13 (27:45):
And then you meet new friends.
Speaker 31 (27:46):
I've had two patreons come what in fact, sorry, one was.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
A patron from Canada.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I mean she didn't come just to see me.
Speaker 19 (27:54):
She was on hollow and happened to come here. The
the other one was from Australia, which is a long
way away. You know, it's a few few at least
a few hundred miles. Yeah, and yes, no she came
on hold it it's just by chance.
Speaker 32 (28:13):
Yeah, please do someone needs to know. But yeah, we
did a session, Adam and I was the correct way
of saying it. So Adam from You Get Through Crime
legend in the game, mister.
Speaker 31 (28:28):
Unprepared, He's always prepared.
Speaker 32 (28:31):
That's his style.
Speaker 13 (28:32):
I'm prepared, he's unprepared to.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Kind of work.
Speaker 19 (28:34):
But yeah, we did a live it's like a live loud,
a live lounge with the live music. It's like that
with a small audience. People are getting involved, asking questions,
and it's kind of a pilot of what we want
to potentially do for a live show.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
He maybe maybe we were testing out it went well.
Speaker 19 (28:53):
David Wilson was in there, thankfully, and he got involved
a lot and he was supported so we could.
Speaker 10 (28:58):
Use his name to plug the episode of Jim.
Speaker 13 (29:00):
It was good.
Speaker 18 (29:01):
It was good.
Speaker 13 (29:06):
Possibly.
Speaker 33 (29:06):
Yeah, So we do a monthly collaboration just talking about
what's in the news now for the Prime round Up,
and we're hoping that maybe we could turn that into
some kind of live thing.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean, I don't know that was the pilot.
Speaker 10 (29:19):
I say, well, it's it's more casual, informal and.
Speaker 19 (29:26):
Interactive in our normal episode, which is just was talking about.
Speaker 13 (29:30):
To his friend, but it's somewhat different.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Wh's it's good to get people involved in.
Speaker 19 (29:41):
I agree with that.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
There, go.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Up there.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Please Scottish.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
You know.
Speaker 31 (29:58):
My granddad blays him before he five Scottish.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
It's so nice to see you again.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
It's lovely to be. Pardon's lovely to it's just nice
to be.
Speaker 27 (30:29):
Need to need the country creative again. Nice to me
to move again as well. So I said last year,
what kind of things have you been up to in
the in the last year Scottish murders.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I've been taking you to break from stature.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm fair again.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I'm gonna do just trying to get.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
A bit of pointing.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
So what are you here to see you?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So I'm here for today, so I'm not gonnare you
second day?
Speaker 27 (30:56):
But after this I'm going to feel you from into
the friends and West into the session.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I'm really for to hearing about that because I've put
all my friends with me.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Who doesn't really know much about some crime, but she
kind of knows a little bit about Fred and Rose West.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I'm bringing her over to the dark side. Thank you
as well.
Speaker 26 (31:30):
Hi, Selling John, It's lovely to see you again at
crime car.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
I've you enjoyed you so you enjoyed your weekend?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Enjoyed, fabulous, absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 18 (31:52):
We met lots of you people, contacts and lovely people
and talks and that's why we're here, isn't it.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
We're all here to sell.
Speaker 18 (32:00):
Our ideas and meet other people a network network, that's
what the name of the game is.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
And also meet our listeners.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
That's important exactly.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And we get a lot of people from when.
Speaker 18 (32:11):
We've never heard they heard us, so they come and find.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Us out and have a chat and watch your podcast.
Tell us about your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Were you are investigators the UK?
Speaker 13 (32:24):
All our cases are UK based.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
The reason for that was we thought we thought the
other markets at.
Speaker 20 (32:32):
The American market Ustadium market is pretty much saturated.
Speaker 30 (32:35):
And the other thing is because they are UKA based,
it means we can travel two relevant locations associated with
the case that we're reviewing, so you can get in
the car and and go to those go to those places.
Speaker 18 (32:52):
And we also obviously you know our police background and
Sally was a police officer and our lawyer and after
that with the career.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Thirty years I did in the police before retiring, we.
Speaker 18 (33:06):
Bring that experience to develop the podcast. So we're basically
going back to whole style policing. Talking to Queen, finding
the people to witnesses, interviewing the beautiful and getting their stories, very.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
Similar to being an old.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
What a session of you enjoyed, watched, captivated? Of all
the sessions throughout grim quiry.
Speaker 20 (33:32):
I saw one that was a miscarriage of justice that
Joe Millington, the forensic.
Speaker 13 (33:41):
Scientist delivered.
Speaker 29 (33:45):
She just came ust to because we've worked with Joe
RepA on our podcast, and she just said, the answer
isn't something like.
Speaker 20 (33:58):
Wow with that DNA, it's how you interpret it and
where did that DNA come from?
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Why is it there?
Speaker 20 (34:05):
You know, a whole context and she is a fascinating
listening to, so that one was sticks out in my mind.
Speaker 18 (34:18):
I've been understand most of our two days.
Speaker 19 (34:21):
Year so talking to people and meeting people.
Speaker 18 (34:24):
The only one which we've been to and work together
was the ethics lady from Newcastle University, which is rearing
its head in what sort of media that podcasting is
now delving into so many areas that not saying anybody's
doing anything wrong, but it's all so you know, is
(34:45):
it regulated? Can we self regulate?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Is it time for guide the guidelines.
Speaker 18 (34:53):
Education? You know, because with our police and lawyer background,
we are mindful of things that probably people started out
in podcasting want to talk on.
Speaker 10 (35:04):
And when you come here, you meet so many professionals
who are willing to help us.
Speaker 18 (35:10):
They're not doing it for money, they're doing it as
a good will to promote forensic science or whatever.
Speaker 19 (35:17):
Field they're in.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
That's interesting and we've we've view several people on yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, and we wouldn't come into crime kind.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
For the world.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Hellola to meet you, lovely to meet you too, And
this is your first time, it.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Is yes, you wouldn't.
Speaker 11 (35:41):
What proposity are you here?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
So we're here promoting our organization. It's quite new.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
We are Weak Safeguarding and the Center for Animally Pleasing Safeguarding.
So we work to close upholsage knowledge, policy and practice
to create a better approach to your proper whole family
and holistic approach to ending all forms of crime and
just making sure that we're including animals when we're thinking.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
About how better to protect people out at.
Speaker 21 (36:07):
So when our loop safeguarding, which is our umbrella body
learneder that we have science, our training, education, research and consultancy.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And then we have our department which is the center
sign of inclusive safety guarding and that is our blueprint.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
So it's our roadmap for professionals to be able to
look at, in their specific job, in their specific sector,
how can they feud animals in a way that is
going to the better as a preventative and a better
response to violence prevention and kind of responding to different crimes.
So I did a lot of work in the domestic
abuse and field, and then I moved through graphical areas
(36:46):
and I started working in training education for the National
Welsh Charity in Wales, delivering some of the kind of
cholmaking practice, domestic abusion and a natural police training. And
then I got my dog in twenty ninety And I've
always had animals and I had shucats, but when I
got my dog, I became really interested in him.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was like, why are you thinking? Why you're doing that?
Speaker 7 (37:10):
So I kind of got into caain on paving are
being in psychology, and then I mashed the two together
to make what I do now, which is as soon
as I realized just how scenting emotional the dogs are,
and from the research, we know that they have a
cognitive ability and the emotional capacity of about three or
four year child. So when we're doing all this work
(37:31):
around children living in abusive homes and preventing that. We
always talking about the animal as like a victim in
their own right, So that's why that's one of kind
of the motor expacts for setting that really was.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
To kind of get that thought about a bit more.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
And you've cently going to just start a podcast as well.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, hopefully so Closing Loopholes will be our podcast, and
hopefully it will look at some of the interceptions of
different crime types and how animals will fit into that,
because if you look at any crime type, you could
give me any crime and.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I'll be able to tell you how animals fit into that.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
From anything from human trafficking where dogs are often used
as a weton to keep them people in the building,
to you know, drug trafficking again where they often use
the dog to protect the building or wherever they're holding
the drugs, to domestic abuse where we see the animal
and the human animal bond being exploited as a tax
(38:27):
good coos of control, all the way into sectives.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Dog fighting and breeding and be farming.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
It all like links together, but unfortunately the animals are
kind of being missed out.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
That just because emos just control us.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
So the human animal bond is a really strong thing.
So do you have a you have a pet? Yeah, yeah,
people who love animals will have pets in and like that.
Really that really on.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
So we get kind of lurb but rumfort enjoyed from
our pets, and they kind of get that fromverse as well,
and so perpetrate is a plastic abuse of words of control.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
They don't like that because they'll be trying to isolate
you from all.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Your friends or your family member and get all of
your attention to them, and kind of your whole life
is around locating them, trying to be the safe and
so what you get from your animal is some.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Form of love and friendship which you are not really
allowed to have from leus. So they don't like it.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
So they will do things like not allowed to be
in the same room as your animal. They might interrupt your.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Ability to take your animals of theirs, or you pay
for pet food.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
And there's a lot of ton of economic abuse so
that they're controlling the finances.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And you know, emotional black kind of emotional harm to
both the.
Speaker 11 (39:45):
Humans and the earth.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
You job yet think, and there's lots of objection and
breadth to that because lots of people think, oh, it's.
Speaker 21 (39:55):
Where they physically can't or dark or they could the animals,
and that does happen, but it's what's so much wider
than that, you know, like people I've been saying the
economic side with the stalking so often they will use
the pet GPS trackers, so you know, you could go
and have your.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Pick pat your.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Air tag, you know, and it's pitched as if your
dog runs away or your animals, but you'll know where
they are.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
But then the perpetrat will weaponize that.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Then they're able to chat to you because you're with
your animals.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
You know, you're on a dog walk somewhere and they
can follow where you are. The pet tracker. Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
What do.
Speaker 30 (40:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Are you enjoying you find.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
People come into decisions or is it your Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
So we're talking.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
We're talking on a panel tomorrow, so hopefully people will
become like more know we're here a little bit more
kids will be talking. But on the people we've spoken to,
everyone has been so nice, welcoming and kind and they're
really interested in it because I think we're actually when
I spoke to the people that sat crime when they
said they've never had an animal or person come and talk.
(41:00):
And because I've got the dual backgrounding animal behavior and
the human bit demology sithing, it's kind of an interesting
niche mash up.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I suppose.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
Hi, David, Hello, Thank It's gone on reason this year.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Isn't it.
Speaker 10 (41:24):
Yeah, it's been amazing.
Speaker 34 (41:27):
I feel like we've had a real mix of everything
from advocacy, our families on stage telling the stories they
need to be told. We've had podcasters doing their thing.
It's been honestly one of the most incredible events that
I have ever had the pleasure of being involved in.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
So yeah, I'm just thrilled to make it happen.
Speaker 11 (41:44):
And how are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It's there?
Speaker 10 (41:47):
I know I am feeling. I feel great.
Speaker 34 (41:50):
I feel super super grateful, humbled to you know, be
here and to see these stories and kind of see
all of these contributors.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
I won't lie.
Speaker 34 (41:58):
I'm a little bit tired about ready from a bad
but no, it's been incredible and I feel nothing but
kind of pride and relief.
Speaker 10 (42:07):
And yeah, I feel a little bit emotional about the
whole thing. So, yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
You've done an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
You always do.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
This is the face of you're behind.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Everything to get to see you very.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
Often, It's true.
Speaker 10 (42:19):
I mean I don't like to show this very often, but.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
Are you doing it?
Speaker 10 (42:22):
I appreciate no, of course.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
And I know it's really hard to pick, But is
it something that's really stood out for you about the
whole Try weekend? Have you seen anything?
Speaker 34 (42:30):
I think I think one of the things that's definitely
stood out is definitely the victim of stories that we've
done across so people like Natalie kay As. She's obviously
you know, she's been through so much for those that
don't know just a whistle stock store of their story.
She was stabbed twenty seven times while she was eight
months pregnant, and.
Speaker 10 (42:49):
She lived to tell the tale and so did her baby.
Speaker 34 (42:52):
For her to take to the stage and talk so
eloquently for the first time actually with her family in
the audience, this.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
I kind one day.
Speaker 34 (43:00):
No, it was incredible and I think there was the
dry eye in the house. But it's not just about
that that impactful storytelling. It's about actually the heart the people,
the kind of the people behind the story and seeing
her take to the stage with such confidence and being
so open and vulnerable and more about her story. It'll
(43:20):
stay with me forever and it was a real kind
of poign a moment for me this year's dad.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
Thanks.
Speaker 11 (43:27):
Enjoy your drinks.
Speaker 10 (43:28):
Yes, I absolutely will come in until I got a prosecco.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
In hand and that's it.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I hope you enjoy today's behind the scenes episode and
I hope you did get to watch it on YouTube.
A huge thank you to everyone who recorded with me
at crime Con for this video. It was great fun.
So I'll be back in two weeks time with another
normal Scottish Murders episode, so catch you then.
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