"Vestal Virgins, Soul-Sucking Shapeshifters & a Clowder of Cats!" - STEPHEN KING'S SLEEPWALKERS (1992) - ScreamQueenz: Where Horror Gets GAY!

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Learn more@univozpods.nethello, my name's Patrick and I'm
a scream queen.
I'm a scream queen.
And so are you.

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Hello again, my beautifulscreamers, and welcome to another
episode of Scream Queens.
It's the podcast where horrorgets gay.
This is episode 1506, season15, episode 6 of Tonight.
Get ready.
Cause we're heading down toHomeland Cemetery for a hot, steamy
makeout session.
So be sure to bring a picnicbasket, your camera, a boatload of

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cocaine, and a cat, becausewe're watching that 1992 misfire.
Stephen King, Sleepwalkers.
Now, I know lots of you peoplehate this movie.
I know.
And you know what?
I don't care.
I love it.
The world's ending, so I'mtalking about it.
Anyway, that's why I needed avery particular special guest.
He is perhaps the only personon the face of the planet who hasn't

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seen the movie before.
So he's not saddled with anyof your shitty, preconceived notion.
You've met him before, youlove him.
He's beloved, he'sbeleaguered, he's blue, blue, blue.
Because he's dead, dead, dead.
That's right.
I'm talking about New YorkCity's favorite unalive horror host,
Unc Spooky.
But wait, before we do any ofthat, please allow me to introduce

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myself.
My name is Patrick Walsh, andever since 2010, I have been your
guide to the weird andwonderful world of horror movies.
But, little Pickle, you'regonna have to see that.
They're my very, very, verygay little eyes.
So.
Hello again, everybody.
Welcome back.
It's so great to be here withyou again doing another show.

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I hope you're doing fabulously.
I know things are stressfulright now, so maybe even if you're
not doing fabulously, I hopethat for the next 90 minutes or so,
you, troubles aside and relaxand laugh and not think about them
for just a little bit.
Because I know it's like allday, every day, lately it's just
blah, blah, blah, blah.
But for the next 90 minutes,let's just go.
Forget it.
Because after all, life may betough right now, but hey, at least

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an incestuous cat, vampire,monsters, and trying to suck your
soul out, right?
That's something.
Now, I know some of you aresitting out there going, patrick,
didn't you cover this movie onthe show already?
To which I will say, yes, Idid cover this movie.
Already.
But no, it wasn't on the show.
I went on over Creepy Kitschto talk about it.

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I talked about it with Cindyand Stacy.
They didn't come here to talkabout things, but for once, they
invited me to their house.
And you know what?
They ganged up on me becausethey both didn't like the movie.
And you know what?
When Cindy and Stacy gang upon you, it's a lot.
So I had a fight, vehementlyfor the honor of this stupid, stupid
movie.
Now, now the scream queens iscoming to an end.
Now that the show's going offthe air, I wanted a moment to just
air my feelings about this myown way, with someone who had no

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preconceived notions where Icould dominate their thoughts.
Okay, I wanted to control thenarrative because everybody else
is doing it.
Right?
Of course.
Right.
But seriously, I love themovie watch and all, and I wanted
to talk about it before thingswrapped up here.
End of story.
Except I know damn well thatsome of you are sitting out there
going, patrick, what is itwith sleepwalkers that you love so
much?
Well, cats, to be perfectlyhonest, I, I, I gotta love a movie

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where cats are supernaturalheroes because there's such a mystery
to them and cats are often soportrayed so negatively in films
and in media and just ingeneral that anything that elevates
like this makes me very happy.
And yes, I am well aware that,as Cindy from Creepy Kids would say,
this movie has flaws.
The first thing I said toUncle Spooky when I signed him on

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to talk about this film, Isaid, this is not a good movie.
It's not a good movie.
But there's greatness in there.
There's some stuff that's justtruly wonderful that gets kind of
lost in between all this other stuff.
But if you push all that otherstuff aside to go, you know what?
That is pretty fabulous.
You know me, I like findingthe diamond in the shit, Bo.
Right?
Remember that old thing I usedto say all the time?
There's diamonds in the shitpile, so dig a bit.

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You know what?
I don't even have to, becauseI'm gonna dig for you.
Now, unfortunately, StephenKing Sleepwalkers is not streaming
for free anywhere that I could find.
But patrons, check your inbox,Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, if you
know what I mean.
But hopefully you can find acopy somewhere to watch, because
I think it's great if youhaven't seen it before.
And if you have seen itbefore, maybe you'll see it a little

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differently after Uncle Spooky.
And I get through with it.
Or maybe you won't.
I don't really care becauseI'm doing.
I'm doing what I want to.
Now the scream queens iscoming to an end.
It's a free for all until I'm done.
Do I sound desperate and weird?
Yes, I do.
That means I should probablystart the show.
So everybody sit back, relaxwhile I play the intro to Sleepwalkers
and bring on Uncle Spooky sowe can get down to business.

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Charles Brady is new in town.
You can actually talk to.
Yeah, he's nice, Real nice.
The girls all like him.
The teachers all respect him.
Your teachers in O How musthave been.
Sorry to lose such a creativeyoung man.
The parents all trust him.

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He's yay charming.
Yay.
But nobody really knows him.
That felt good.
Finally getting to talk aboutthis movie after so long was like
getting a hair bullet.
Been stuck in my system since1992 and now it's out.
Blast.
I can go on with my life.
Thank you again for Uncle Spooky.
It was super fun hanging outwith you.

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And oh, hey, the session whereI sat down with Uncle Spooky, we
recorded that weeks ago.
So all that information hegave about his shows, a lot of it
obsolete now.
So let me refresh you.
If you want to see UncleSpooky live, you want to see what
he does in person, you got tocome to Richmond, Queens, because
every last Sunday of themonth, he's at the Flying Fox Tavern
hosting his Spookarama scarymovie night, where not only do we

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get to watch a super scarymovie with Uncle Spooky, you get
to play blood bingo for yourself.
For real.
And maybe if you're lucky, youcan eat inside Uncle Spooky's bag
of secrets and take out a prize.
But if you don't live anywherein New York City, you can still participate
because every single Mondaynight, Uncle Spooky hosts a stay
at home Spookarama over zoom.

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But it's a super secretSpookorama, so you're gonna have
to follow Uncle Spooky onInstagram in order to get that info.
And it's links right down herein the show.
Of course.
This summer, island peoplechoice in the Flag Fox Tavern live
out on Fire Island.

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I don't have any.
It's pretty muchstraightforward because you know
me, I can't get enough.
It's a terrible movie.
I know that, but I love it.
As I said last time, I wantedto talk about this movie for so long,
and it was never the right time.
We're gonna have a great time doing.

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You know why?
Because my very special guestrealized, you know, my gcs, wherever
you may be, please welcomeback to the screen, please.
Microphone.
Eat that out of her.

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They killed it.
Anyway, so whatever.
That's my big observation.
That's all I got.
It's pretty straightforward movie.
There's lots of thoughts aboutwhat's going on in the world right
now, but I promise we're goingto do that this time.
No, we're not going to talkabout any of that this time.
But please, I just want you totake care of yourself.
Do what you need to do to.
Take care of yourself,whatever that may be.
I think kickboxing juststarting next week.
Because you never know.
That's just my aura.

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Because you never know whenit's going to come in handy.
But so anyway, I thought it was.
Aside from all that otherstuff, what's going on in this final
episode.
So happy to have you.
But that's okay.
That's okay.
But I'll tell you the gueststhat are going to be these final

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episodes.
That have lined up so far.
I couldn't end the showwithout having Allison and Brian
back on.
So you host movies fromCalifornia for very different reasons.
Because I think with Alisonand Brian, we're gonna get a fun
first watch and of course,intellectual deeper conversation

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on why do the gays love thismovie so much.
I did not say goodbye to mytwo favorite heterosexuals.
When I get home, I have towatch my.
And here's the funny thing.
We're going to talk about thismovie called Beavers.
But we discovered that it'sreally hard because it's a great

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movie, but for me, talk about beaver.
So instead we're going to betalking about the Please Don't Destroy
movie, the Legend of FoggyMountain, the Treasure of Fogging
Mountain.
Whenever something.
Something of Foggy Mountainthat's on trivia.
And why are you picking that?
Patrick, it's not a horror movie.
And this is the closest vibe to.
Oh, okay.

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Dave made a maze to those boys.
And of course I want to saygoodbye to the original dynamic duo.
The first two guests thatreally clicked on the show.
It took it to a new place.
I'm talking about everyone'sfaded for some reason.
We were Talking about this1973 brought to me called me starring.

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Everybody's a dead guy.
Out of the will.
And then all the other.
All the other benefactors ofthe will start getting knocked off
in really, really bizarre ways.
And you know how I love Ahouse full of rich cunts that hate

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each other.
It's one of those movies, it'sa rare movie that I think also knows
the Shut up me all the time.
I only met him recently.
I, I, I've known him forever.
I only met him recently.
But all that babble that Ijust battled at the Fog movie night.
I'm not sure which one of those.
Episodes is going to be the next.

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If any of them are going to.
People don't like eventuallythey'll be coming out or I might
have something else to stickin there as well.
No, what always happens isI'll show up there.
Everybody already has theirteam on my team.
And then I come in and I kickeverybody's ass and people get angry
at me.
I'm like, you know what?
You didn't want me on yourteam, Dick.
You can be on my team.
Are just going to drag yourmind through the gutter like that?
I'm just going to, I'm not bigon drinking these days, but anyway.

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All right.
I'm kind of in between on that too.
Extra calories now.
Really, really bizarro timesthat we're living in.
Okay, 1992.
Spooky.
Give me a nice 30 second.

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Don't forget for second.
I love you.
No pressure, but the a catshit nutso.
The vehicle for the chick from got.
A little bit of a break.
And then a girl from Ghost Story.
And a cute guy who should be cuter.
I don't know.

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And it kind of seems like it's great.
And then it just goes all overthe place.
Mother and son team on the rungoes bad neighbor.
Very suburbia, very 80s smalltown America.
Crazy one liners.
Ends in flames and cats.
Cats, cats, cats, cats, cats.

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Excellent.
I let you go over because allthat was great.
That was gold.
So for my 32nd summary, I'dlike to say that Stephen King Sleepwalkers
is an old fashioned romanticlove story that we just don't get
anymore.
It's a classic tale of boymeets girl, boy loses girl, boy fucks
his mom, mom tries to eat girl.
Oh, and I forgot.
Cats, Cats, Cats, Cats, Cats.

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This movie, like people don't realize.
Yes, it was directed by MickGarris, but it was executively produced
by Cocaine for sure.
Well, not exactly.
This was, this was afterStephen King had his accident.
Oh, is this after that?
Yeah.
So all this stuff in this erais really weird.
Here we are.

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This is one of his straight to screenplay.
Right.
This isn't based on anything else.
This is the first time he Donethat it was not based on an existing
work.
It was an original piece.
I don't know if you read a lotof Stephen King, but they're very,
like, dense and a lot ofthings like.
Like what?
Kind of.
Like, I could feel like whathe was trying to go for and probably

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would have been great in abook, like, but a novel.
I'm sure it could have workedout a lot better, but this just didn't.
Yeah.
You're 100.
I do read a lot of Stephen King.
Not as much as I used tobecause I stopped reading after this
whole accident period becausethings got really wordy and everything
always was winding up to beabout poop.

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It's the dream catcher era.
And, like, literallyeverything with Desperation was about
poop.
And, like, everything had thismajor poop plot line.
I thought it was gross.
It was just like, I don't needthis anymore.
I don't know where you go withStephen King.
This is a little too big.
It's a little too.
For a lady like myself.
I have to say.
I was a huge Stephen King fan.
I mean, I was reading themlike a tennis player as they were
coming.
I was batting them out.

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And then he did.
He started to.
Something he kind of lost tome and almost.
I don't like any of his moviesexcept for the ones in the 70s after
that.
Like any of the 80s.
Pretty sure.
I mean, the Shining might havebeen the last one I liked.
They're very hit and miss forthe most part.
Miss Creep Show.
Yeah.
And then it's like maximum overdrive.
I never watched.

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I never watched it.
Something about them made menot want to watch them.
Yeah.
I mean, they're always adisappointment because they can't
live up.
Yeah.
They can't get into thecharacters heads like you get in
the book.
Like, even the.
Like McGarris does a lot.
Who directed this, does a lotof Stephen King.
He did the Stand and the Shining.
The Shining redo with the guyfrom Wings and Rebecca de Moira.

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He did all those.
So he knows the Stephen Kingreally well.
And even he doesn't really getit right either because it's just
not that, you know, you can'tget into people's heads the way that
Stephen King does.
And that's.
That's the most important partof the book or most interesting part
of the book.
And when I say.
Before we get too deep into.
I want to say, I feel likethere's a great movie struggling
to get out of this movie.
Yes, there's.

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Because there are moments inthis, that are wonderful.
There are ideas in here thatare great that I love.
And then it gets sidetrackedinto crazy incest and Freddy Krueger
one liners and it starts toget really uneven.
Yeah, I like the start of it.
I actually enjoy like thefirst third of it.

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And there's a definite momentwhere the wheel like turns and we'll
talk about that.
We'll talk about it and I feel.
And we'll go into more detail.
I feel like had we spent moretime developing what these monsters
are and how they work, thingswould have been better because we
get thrown in the middle of it.
We don't really understand anything.
And I like, okay, the bigthing that most people have with

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this movie is that like 10minutes in we're thrown into incest.
Going anywhere tonight?
To the movies.
Maybe with a friend.
With a special friend.
I'll buy my lonesome.
Oh, don't ask your mother.
Well, actually there's a girlthat works there.
I thought I might ask her out.

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Oh, you might.
She's pretty too.
Is she nice?
I don't know.
I guess I'll find out, won't I?
Jealous?

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Concerned.
Right?
Concerned.
Concern.
Should I be jealous?
Would you like that?

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The movie has literally juststarted and immediately we get to
watch mom and son, friends,each other and go directly to the
bone zone.
It's a lot which I, you know,I have to tell you, I did that.
That didn't bother me becauseI thought, oh, this is, this is a
horror movie.
And this is an interesting,you know, this is an interesting.
This is something, you know,like there's.
And evidently the guy, thedirector, he did a whole like super

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sex scene between the two ofthem that had to totally get cut.
And you can kind of see itstarting like super soft poured kind
of beginnings of it.
And, and I didn't really mindthat because it was so creepy and.
And it kind of went with it.
I was like, this is part ofthe horror movie.
I like, this is, this is partof that monster thing.

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I'm interested, I'm intrigued.
Creepy, but I'm intrigued.
For years I've done my.
What to get into as we gofurther along.
I've done my headcanon on howthese monsters worked and what were
they were all about.
And I just found an articlewith Mick Garris that I hadn't found
before that wasn't listedanywhere else that he talked about
how these monsters worked andwhy they were having incest and what
was going on.
I'm like, okay, that's exactlywhat I said.

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I was right.
I was right.
That.
Okay, before we get too deepin what's a sleepwalker?
Uncle Spooky, what are thesemonsters that we're talking about?
Well, I'll tell you, there's awhole definition of them in the beginning,
and it's a little wordy anddoesn't make a lot of sense.
But my favorite thing is atthe last line of it, it says, probably

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cause of the vampire legend.
Like, so they claiming, like,they're the ones who came up with
vampires.
Well, it was the origin of them.
Like, before.
Before there were vampire legends.
There were these legends,which I get back in ancient Egypt.
Uncle Spooky.
Uncle Spooky's here because wedid Cat Creature with Meredith Beck's
a Bernie a while ago.

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And I said, this is.
It's the same kind of movie.
Like, this movie and thatmovie are totally connected, which
we'll get into later.
But.
Yeah, but I feel that theysaid they.
And even, like, the stuffthey're showing at the beginning
is all ancient Egypt, like,during the opening credits.
So we're going back toEgyptian legends.
Have you ever seen thoseInstagram videos of somebody dressed
up like a big cat and theyturn around the corner?

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Yes, yes, yes.
Okay.
So basically we've got these.
This.
This mother son.
They're apparently the last oftheir kind.
And they're cat people.
They.
They're sort of things, butthey don't feed on blood.
Uncle Spooky, what do theyfeed on?
They feed on laser beamscoming out of your mouth.
But they can't just.
They can't just be anybody'slaser beams.

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Whose laser beams do they have to.
Be a beautiful virgin girl?
They feed on virginity andinnocence, which.
I mean, you figured that, youknow, if they went for a guy, you
know, there'd probably be alot more of them.
Maybe, maybe not.
Because it's one of the thingsthat I've always said that people
get put off by the incest.
I'm like, this is in here fora reason.

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And I was thinking.
I started what.
I was doing my head count.
I said, started to think howanimals and wild animals work.
And I'm thinking, incest meansnothing to them.
No, exactly.
They're ready.
They'll meet with whoever.
But I also said there'ssomething about people get put off
by the fact that the motherdoesn't do anything.
She's just like, I'm so sick,and she doesn't do anything on her
own.
I said, I don't think thefemales have the capacity to feed

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themselves in that way.
Like, the male can do this.
Do the soul sucking thing.
And then they have to comehome and feed them.
Right?
They have to come home andfeed mama.
And it turns out I'm exactly right.
I found this article with Mick Garrison.
Well, with the whole thingwhen they.
When mother and son have sex,I don't know if you notice Uncle
Spooky, that, like, carnivallights start shooting out of her
vagina.

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I don't know if I noticed thecarnival lights.
I noticed it was like, it's inthe mirror stuff was happening.
Yeah.
The implication was thatthat's him feeding her.
It's not just sex.
It's feeding.
Oh, is that what we're calling it?
He's like, yeah.
He's like.
He's like.
And people say it's his motherand son make you up.
He's like, no.
Not making love.
They are.

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And it's fun because it's likethey kind of tease you for a little
bit, and you're like, no, no,they're not gonna go there.
No.
What?
What?
And we just die face in.
Literally.
No.
No going back.
Like, no.
We're.
It's 10 minutes in, and we are bone.
And mom.
And mom and son are bone in.
But I like how I kind of just.

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I sort of teased it a little bit.
Like, you were like, this is weird.
This is weird.
And then it just kind of keptgetting weird.
And then it went.
Really didn't like.
It didn't cheat.
It totally gave it to you.
Oh, yeah.
And this was one of theproblems with they.
They ran into a lot ofproduction problems, not surprisingly,
because of this.
First of all, they had adifferent director.
It started.

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The original director wasRufus Wainwright.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, he hadn't done anymovies yet.
He had just done music videos,and he rewrote the whole script.
And Stephen King said, it'scalled Stephen King's Sleepwalkers,
not Rufus Wainwright.
Sleepwalkers, you're fired.
And it was just before theywent into production.
So that was one big problem.
And the other big problem wasthat while they were in production,

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Columbia Studios got a new president.
And the president took a lookat the script and said, there is
no way that a movie featuringa mother and son having sex is going
out while I'm in charge.
And it turns out that wasprophetic because they said, you
know what?
You don't say no to Stephen King.
You're fired.
Oh, wow.
So they got a new president, so.
Yeah.
And they had tons of troublewith the mpa now for the.

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Not so much for the sex, but.
For the violence, which doesgo overboard.
Yes, but in the best way.
I'd rather.
It's the 90s and I'd rathersee overboard than underboard because
this is the Tipper Gore erawhere everything was getting cut
out.
The violence in this is bonkers.
Poor Machen Emmett gets thecrap beaten out of her.
Okay, I gotta go back.
That's third party.
Tell me.
Okay, no, no, no.

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I just want to go back to the sleepwalkers.
Okay.
Our main sleepwalker is Charles.
He.
He's the handsome young.
I also love that when this,when this advertised the commercials,
the first half of thecommercials made it look like it
was going to be a romantic comedy.
Oh, I'm sure.
Look at that.
Oh, look.
Charles and Tanya, the cutestcouple in town.
Because it is the super mute.
The meet cute.

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They're in the same high school.
He's reading a short story andthat she's taken away by it.
Yeah.
But the actor is Brian Krause.
Brian Krause, who most peoplewould know from Charm.
Charmed.
And he's exactly what you wantin this kind of role because he's
like classic all America.
Perfect boy teen.
Yes.
What you would say in a movieis exactly what was going to sweep

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your daughter off your feet.
Think you could do charming.
And then he does a goodasshole too.
Later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
But no, he does every.
He does everything right.
And because he's been doingthis for a really long time and he's
great.
And the mom is Alice Krieg,who's always fabulous left, you know.
So I tell you what.
I watched this with the last Spookarama.

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So me and like 10 other peoplewatch this.
They got their takes on itand, and it was wild.
Like they got a lot of good,good feedback on it.
Like everybody thought it was nuts.
But a lot of people freakinghate her.
Like just like gut truly hate her.
And like.
And just were making fun ofthe way she talks and they like,
oh, she's got this lisp orthis weird way and then once somebody

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points it out to you, youcan't unhear.
It's European.
What do you expect?
Ding dong wrong.
She's South African.
I.
I guess.
But I mean, I remember youknowing about it from Ghost Story
that she had like a weird kind of.
Yeah kind of work though.
You do toad.
It makes her exact.
But you know, she's from Ghost Stories.
She's the Borga queen.
I love she.
She brings Menace andsexuality to everything that she

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does.
Yes, she's good for that.
It's beautiful.
And she's beautiful and she'sgorgeous and she's perfect in this
role.
What I love about this too, islike, he's the main villain for the
first half of it.
But then when things switch later.
Oh, it turns out that in the species.
True.
That the female is deadlierthan the male.
Oh, yeah.
And she just clobberseverything in her pathway.
Oh, yeah.
She's.
She's the tough one.
Yeah.
She's the Terminator.
Yeah.
If she could feed herself,there would be sleepwalkers everywhere.

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She'd be eaten.
But she can't.
She can't.
But yes, those.
The two of them, and they havegreat chemistry together.
Even though it's gross.
It's really gross.
Everything they do is gross inthe best possible way.
I love it.
Just the dancing starts offwith this, like, let's dance together
kind of thing.
And the powers are very undefined.
That's the other thing that we needed.
We needed a little bit of thatbecause there's a little bit of a.

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I mean, they're shapeshifters, for one, but it also.
They also can throw glamours.
Like spells.
Yes.
To make.
To shapeshift other thingslike their car or at least cloak.
Or cloak.
I mean, people get shifted.
Like they made a whole new car.
I'm like, they didn't make awhole new car.
They just made it look different.
It's just a little glamour shade.
Just there was like someinanimate, like, little, like carry

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stuff where they could movethings a little bit.
Was that happening?
Happening?
Yeah, yeah.
They turn on.
She turned on the.
The record player by herself acouple of times.
A little bit of that.
They have.
Have mild.
And I think at some pointshe's picking up bodies, making them
move.
Third part.
We'll wait to that.
We'll wait till we get to that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dad's dead, son dance.
So, sleepwalkers.

(25:25):
So basically.
Yeah, this whole.
I love this whole scene too,which is just like we're.
We're meeting them for thefirst time and he.
It still feels like.
It's like, oh, I met.
I met the.
I can't.
I can't hang out with youtoday, Ma, because I met a girl and
it still feel.
It still feels like you're allAmerican teen comedy and it's like
things to start.
Is she nice?
Is she.

(25:46):
Is she truly nice?
And you just feel that nicedoes not mean what you think.
You know, we forgot to mentionthe Beginning.
Oh.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Walk me through the beginning.
Walk me to the beginning ofthe film.
I just wanted to get throughthe monsters.
But, yes.
Walk me through their first layer.
Well, I have to tell you, it'smy first blood.
Bingo.
Word is dead cat mobile, whichis pretty spectacular.

(26:11):
It is pretty spectacular.
It's Mark Hamill.
A lot of cameos in this.
Lots of cameos in this.
Mark Hamill was one.
I did not realize until this time.
Yeah, we were kind of calling it.
And it was like.
No.
Yes.
No, because he's a baby.
Look.
What a little baby with hislittle baby mustache.
He's a little baby.
Teeny, tiny baby.
Mark Owl.

(26:32):
Martha and Carl Brody, motherand son.
No one's seen them since Tuesday.
The car is the Trans Am, bluewith yellow pinstriping.
California License 2 CLG592.
No one's seen that sinceTuesday either.
God, I just hope nothinghorrible happened to them.
They were so close.
Ma'am, please step back.

(26:53):
Sheriff, what do you think happened?
I don't know, but somebodysure doesn't like cats.
They go.
They see this cat mobile thatthe house is empty.
They go creeping through thehouse, and they got the famous.
They open a door, and they getthe famous cat thrown at them.
Scared, you know, one of those.

(27:15):
And the one cat that's not dead.
Not dead.
Cat's not dead.
This one made it through outthe door.
But then out pops a corpse.
Mummified corpse.
Pops.
Pops out.
Like it was on a trampoline,by the way.
Yeah, like flies out at them.

(27:39):
Stinger and all.
It's a good.
It was a good job.
I jumped.
I'll jump.
I admit.
First time, watch.
I jumped.
I didn't see it coming.
And there it is.
A mummified young girl.
They explain later that she'sa young girl because she's wearing
braces, in a.
Girl and a girl school uniform.
And With a rose in her hair.
Yeah, with a rose.
It comes back later for some reason.

(28:02):
Well, it's just.
It's just to connect it.
This is just.
Yep, it's the same, too.
This is their mo.
It's their mo.
Jesus.
It's a little girl.
What's that in her hair?

(28:22):
Rose?
Mama.
Mama approves of this one.
I.
You brought her to me, and Ismell her virginity, so I'm gonna
put a rose on.
Oh, is that what it was?
I was trying to figure outwhat the.
What?
That's my headcanon.
That makes sense becausethat's what happens later.
That's what Happens later, shebrings her mom and she's like, hold
on, I've got something.
You think she's gonna cut hernose off?

(28:43):
It's your nose.
I got your nose.
Did you catch, did you catchwhere this happened?
Where this first location was?
Was it Bodega Bay?
Bodega Bay.
What else happened in Bodega Bay?
The birds.
The birds.
Tippy Hendrick, One outfit.
First we get the birds, thenwe get the cats.

(29:05):
I didn't even put together,considering how.
Much I love this movie, howmuch violence happens towards cats
in this movie.
And I hate that.
I hate animal violence.
But in this, it all works forsome reason.
Just to see their.
When you see their house andtheir house is just covered in dead
cats.
Like warning to the othercats, don't come here.
Yeah, like, like decorating.
It was like decorated withdead cats.

(29:26):
Yes.
Okay.
Not a cameo, but an up andcoming person.
We got a Rusty swimmer.
Has one line here.
God, I just hope nothinghorrible happened to them.
They were so close.
Yeah, they really are.
If you don't know who RustySchwimmer is.
She went on to be in Candymanand she was also in Jason Goes to

(29:49):
Hell.
She owned the restaurant.
Yeah, she got.
She got her teeth knocked inby Jason.
He got the elbow from Jason inthe face.
Died.
Was hanging out with.
Hanging out with Leslie Jordanthe whole movie.
That sucks.
Losing your teeth.
Yeah, yeah.
Boom, right?
Gotta protect them.
Well, but, you know, she wasdead, so we're just gonna use them.
So you need those.
Need those sometimes.
Dead, you need them later.

(30:10):
You know what?
You're right.
You're right.
Right.
If she got Uncle Spooky, she'dbe like, great, I got no teeth.
I'm Uncle Spooky.
I got a teeth brand of popularity.
We learned about the monsters.
We know about their.
That they.
They did something.
They had a run and now they'rein a new location in.
In Indiana somewhere.
Tell me about Tanya Robinson did.
But first of all, I was reallymad that it was that this, in my

(30:32):
mind, this is also a TanyaRoberts origin story.
Like this happened to Tanya Roberts.
This is how she became a star.
Yeah, exactly.
A terrible name.
This is a 30 year old girl inhigh school.
It's the 90s.
Everybody was 40 in high school.
It was like shockingly likejust sitting at a desk was just like
too old for this part.

(30:54):
But so is everybody else.
So is he.
So is everybody else in that class.
Everybody looked ancient, butthat's just the way things were.
I guess so.
I guess so.
I Couldn't.
You can't blame.
You can't blame 80s 90s hardtropes on the 80s and 90s movies.
You can't blame it.
If they did it now would belike, come on now.
And it was like an adult.
She was just wearing an adultshade of lipstick.
That bothered me too.
Oh, stop it.
Anyway, the actress is mate,who I.

(31:16):
Loved in Twin Peaks.
Loved Twin Peak.
She's on Riverdale as well.
Who was she in Twin Peaks?
Sherry?
Yeah, she was the waitress.
Shelly.
Shelly.
I don't remember.
Remember.
It's been a long time.
It's been a long time and I, Iwant to.
I know.
You know the other show thatyou've been on a couple of times,
you know, it came from the 70s.
She did a TV movie with Toby Hooper.

(31:37):
Really in the night.
It's in the 90s, I'm gonnabreak my rules.
It's called I'm DangerousTonight where she's got a killer
dress made out of an Azteccloak that makes her kill people.
Really?
It's supposed to be, it'ssupposed to be fabulous.
We haven't seen it yet.
All right, I haven't seen it yet.
It's on my list going on.
But I've heard, I've heard,I've heard from the people who know
that it's fabulous.

(32:00):
But she's, she's your averageall American girl.
She's, she's, she's this cutepie and she's this, she's the sweet,
wholesome girl that you needto get corrupted in a movie like
this.
She's like perfect target forslate parkers.
And she's got a job.
Uncle Spooky.
Do you know that since I'vementioned I was doing this movie,
the amount of straight guys,like that scene where she's dancing
with the carpet sweeperchanged my life.
It's fascinating.

(32:20):
You know, and as a, as apossible gay, all I thought of was
how bad she was at her job.
She didn't, she didn't ring upthe customer.
She like, she was not pickingup any of that friggin dirt on the
floor.
She was dancing around.
You know what?
Those car, those carpetsweepers never work.
They never work.
She was jamming to the song.
She, she had.
She's a minimum wage worker,all right?

(32:43):
She's got class in the morning.
She's got a.
She's got a pop quiz coming up.
But what I think is all justfascinating is that this, this registered
so much with my straight fansout there that I'm learning, yes,
yet there's nothing suggestiveabout anything that she does.
Like, there's nothing sexyabout this dance at all.
She's just like, honestly, cute.
It's a cute little dance.
Yeah.
She's doing.
She's giving you Dirty Dancing?

(33:03):
A little tiny bit, but it's most.
It's mostly like I'm a dorkand I think nobody's watching, but
I think.
The song is from Dirty dancing.
Right.
At 100% is from dirty Dance.
Do you love me?
Do you love me?
And then she gets popcorndumped on her head.
You scared me.
Sorry.

(33:24):
Oh, no.
I'll see you again.
Charles Brady.
Thanks for the help, Charles Brady.
Don't mention it.
And then she gets popcorndumped on her head.
She didn't clean that up?
No, she just picked out of herhair and gave it to him.
She's like, here, it's free.
Go ahead.

(33:44):
You mean free me.
Thanks.
So that's that meet cute moment.
I'm very embarrassed.
Am I flushing?
You look good in red, Tonya.
How'd you know my name?
English, period four.
Creative writing.

(34:05):
Mr.
Fallows, the weird and terrible.
Oh, you're the new guy from Ohio.
Paradise Falls.
But he set it up.
Yeah, he sets this cute moment up.
Yeah.
And so she's a little, youknow, charmed the pants off a little
bit.
Then he.

(34:25):
Then the father, he tries totake her home, but the father shows
up to take her home and.
And then, yeah, he's hiding inthe shadows, doing creepy things.
But again, that was also a test.
It was a test.
Like, even she says, she'slike, when he asked, she asked for
a ride home.
She's like, well, what kind ofa girl would I be if I let someone
who I just met drive me, right?
I don't suppose you'd like aride home after work tonight, would
you?

(34:48):
My dad picks me up.
Nice dad.
Yeah.
Besides, what would yourgirlfriend say if you gave the popcorn
girl a ride home?
No girlfriend.
I'm new in town, remember?
Thanks.
See you in class.
Oh, wait.

(35:11):
Um.
Welcome to Travis.
Thanks.
Thanks a lot.
But exactly the kind of girlI'm looking for.
You are by not going home withme right now.
You passed the first test.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I also love that her parentsare also Ferris Bueller's parents.

(35:32):
Are they really?
Yeah.
Lyman Ward and Cindy.
Oh, gosh.
Cindy.
Cindy.
Cindy Pluckett.
Ding Dong Cindy Pickett.
Nurdle brain.
They don't fare so good hereafter bid through fairies.
You know what they got rid of?
They got rid of those twoshitty kids and they're like, you
know what?
We're gonna have a normal girlin Indiana.
Everything's gonna be fine.

(35:52):
Great.
We're gonna disown those othertwo fuckers.
They were insane.
One was just uncontrollable,and the other one got her nose changed,
and we don't even recognizeher anymore.
You know, that's another thing.
They.
They made this kind of stinkabout the couple, the last two, that
they felt there were othersaround there, and they couldn't be
the last ones.
And they were thinking, therehas to be more.

(36:13):
Deputy had a cat.
Maybe for a second or two.
He won't believe what he saw.
No, he probably won't.
Somebody will find the teacherthat I dumped in the woods.
It's already started again.
Mom, don't worry.
Don't worry.
I have to feed you.
You'll see her tomorrow.

(36:35):
What if something happens to me?
You'll starve.
We haven't even seen another sleepwalker.
We aren't the last.
I don't know that.
Yes, I do.
I can feel the others.
You'll feed tomorrow, and thenyou'll feed me.

(36:55):
And then we left.
Leave.
Nothing's going to happen.
We just have to take care ofeach other.
And.
And she could smell.
She could sense they werearound right where she was, which
was, I think, a plot point they.
They just dropped.

(37:15):
Well, that's also just to keepthings open for a sequel, which actually
Tab of the King wrote a scriptfor, but it never got picked up.
Yes.
I heard they were like, yeah, thanks.
Even though it made double itsbudget, it.
With a female basketball team.
We love things with femalebasketball teams.
It would be like Sleepwalkersmeets Lover Party Massacre.
It'd be great.
Oh, my God.
Sleepwalkers versus lesbians.
Yes.
Let's do this.
Somewhere around here,somebody turns out to be a cutter.

(37:38):
A cutter?
Oh, yeah.
Well, no.
Yeah.
Well, it's the firstindication that something's wrong.
Like, you see him at the opening.
It's the opening.
Well, introduction to this newlife in Indiana.
It's him sitting with hisshirt off, and he's looking at her
picture in the yearbook, andhe's drawing a harder outer picture,
but then he carves her.
Her initials into his arm.
You're like, okay, that's weird.
Yeah, maybe this is not sowholesome as we think.

(38:01):
Tell me about their highschool teacher.
Oh, my God.
Their high school teacher is somebody.
He was in something else.
What was he in?
It's Glenn Shadducks from Beetlejuice.
Beetlejuice.
And there's that you get just.
You don't even.
It's such a weird thing that Idon't know if anybody else could
pick up on it, but a gay.
That there's like a weird.
Just a hint of a vibe.
And it's only because there'sGlenn Shadix, who.

(38:23):
He always gives off a gayvibe, but.
Yeah, but no, there'sdefinitely a gay vibe here.
And also there's implied pedophilia.
Somebody's passing notes inhis class.
Like a dirty note.
And it's a jock.
And he just kind of sends hisruler down on the jock's knuckles.
Ah, shit.
I suggest that next time youkeep your hands to yourself, Mr.
Crawford.

(38:44):
Yes, sir.
I know.
Right there.
I was like.
When they just looked at eachother, it was like.
I got this weird vibe.
Well, that's Glenn.
That's exactly what he gives.
He gave it off in Beetlejuice too.
He gave it all.
But yes, what I think is coolabout this scene, this whole scene
with him reading where Charlesreads this, his story about sleepwalkers,
which is basically liketelling everything that we do, but

(39:04):
everybody thinks it's fiction.
Yeah, Zip.
Suck the face out of people.
Her reaction.
And the whole scene is exactlythe same scene as in Carrie with
the poem.
Yes, it is.
It sure is.
Callback to that a time ofhappiness too brief to be anything
but gold had run out.

(39:26):
Very good, Charles.
All right.
Any thoughts on Mr.
Brady's sleepwalkers, Ms.
Robertson?
I liked it.
You liked?
Was different.
I thought it was very sad.

(39:46):
Sad, why?
Because they were alwaysdriven away.
Because they were such outsiders.
Ding dong.
Packing from the future here.
And to further connect the twomovies, in both Carrie and Sleepwalkers,
both of these teachers aredressed the same, have the same glasses,
and are both mildly effeminate.
Wonderful.

(40:06):
Wonderful.
Ding dong.
Back to the show.
And I think that's cute.
I think that's cute.
The other thing I think I.
It sounds like you don't likeMajor Mick.
I think she's great in this.
I do love her, actually.
And that's.
She is the only reason I wasever semi interested in seeing this
movie.
She gives her.
I think she gives a reallygreat performance.
Like in this particular.
In this early sense, like hesaid, like, she's.

(40:28):
She's coming off as 30, butyet she's still pulling off innocence.
What she's doing.
One of my favorite things.
Do you remember there used tobe that game show, like, game show,
reality show on VH1 calledScream Queens, but the girls trying
to get into the saw Movie.
There was one episode wherethey had an acting coach that was
working with him.
He's like, okay, I want you tocome on and seduce me.
And all the girls, like,there's a bowl of fruit there and

(40:50):
all of them, like, having sex.
The fruit.
He's like, no, no, no, no.
That's not how you do it.
That's not how you do it.
And one of the things he said,like, one of the big thing was like
one of the big things, likeyou have to be innocent, but doing
things that are unconscious,supposedly unconsciously sexual.
Like exposing your neck, likepushing your hair back.
And the other thing is bitingyour lip.
Huh.
Marsha Brady loved the lip bite.

(41:11):
Marcia Brady does the lip biteall the time and so does Mason.mx.
she does it like seven times.
But.
She'S able to pull it up.
Like, I'm buying, I'm buyingthat you're a 16 year old virgin,
but.
Or at least giving off that energy.
Yeah, she's definitely.
She nailed that.
And he's got this great carthat's kind of for a high school
kid.

(41:31):
It's a little too much, but it's.
Is, what is it, a Trans Am or something?
Yeah, it's the blue Trans Am.
Well, of course it's too much hot.
Blue car that any girl wouldjust go out with just for this car.
That he has to jump in likehe's one of the Dukes of Hazard.
He has to jump in the room.
Yeah.
Because it's gonna, it's, it'swhat, it's what teenage girls want.
It's to impress teenage girlswho don't know no better.

(41:51):
And I think it's gonna be.
Oh, by the way, I love also inthese school scenes, you get brief
visits with her friends.
Yes.
In another movie, it would beabout murdering these, these awful
sluts.
I know they're all reading itbecause she's a virgin.
And they're all, they're all aggressively.
Yeah, they're doing the,they're doing the, you know, the

(42:14):
blow jobs.
Yeah, it did, like, not subtleabout anything.
And again, they're 40.
But I say I do want to see amovie where I want to see those die.
I don't like these.
They're crude and I don't like them.
Well, I may have plans of myown and they just might include Homeland.

(42:35):
Yeah, right.
I can just see you in the.
Back seat at Homeland.
Nice.
Honey, you gotta admit, Imean, your.
Dad'S gonna be there.
I can just tell your dad'sgonna be there.
Hi, Charles.
Hi, Charles.
Do you know Jeanette and Carrie?

(42:56):
This is Charles Brady.
Hi.
We are in the same class.
Tanya, can I give you a ride home?
I mean, all of you.
No, we've got a ride, but whydon't you go, Tanya?
Okay.
See you later.
Yeah.
I was hoping that we wouldrevisit them and they would, like.

(43:16):
They would be, like,unsuitable virgins that they had
to, like.
You know, they were so hungry,they would have to eat something.
Right, right, right, right.
Blair, you brought me this girl.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Then throw it up like a cat bull.
Big blue, glowing bluehairball, little fight.

(43:37):
Then.
Then he takes it to a.
He drives a home, and shebrings him up to the bedroom.
And there's, like, panties andbras littered everywhere.
There's more panties than anything.
The furniture in the room.
It's amazing.
His panties, literally everywhere.
But he's, like, staring rightat him.
But you.
But she's like.
It's kind of like.
But she.
He's acting like he doesn'tsee them.
And she's.
She's trying to get hisattention diverted so she can.

(43:58):
I mean, there's like a wholething of her, like, hiding her panties
and, like, why did she bringhim up there?
It's all part of the.
Well, she's trying.
She's trying to be cool.
She's trying to be like herslutty friends.
Like, this is what my sluttyfriends would do.
They're bringing her up to thebedroom and would listen to records.
And we close the door, whichis a very naughty thing to do.
And she does all that stuff,but we're not gonna do anything because
I'm a nice girl.
But he doesn't know that yet.
But, oh, my gosh, my pantiesare everywhere.

(44:19):
I didn't know I owned thismany panties.
And then the mom comes in.
So you two are going out tomorrow?
Yes.
Tanya's gonna show me Homeland.
Oh, really?
You see, I do rubbings, too.
Not quite as fine as yours,but I figured there must be some

(44:41):
old slate gravestones out there.
Yes, as a matter of fact.
In the old section near the woods.
Tell me, Charles, do you usepowder or stick?
I use stick, usually.
Number five.
Really?
Don't you find that a little hard?
Yeah, but I'm clumsy.
You know, powder's so messyand everything.

(45:04):
She's clocking him, too.
She's like, huh?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I love that.
She's.
She's got great parents.
Like, she's got parents thatactually listen to her and give a
shit about her, which is Nice.
Because normally these moviesyou don't get that.
She's like be home tomorrow.
Yeah.
By the way.
Yeah.
Huh.
You're gonna go to thecemetery and do rubbings.
Uh huh.
That's my thing.
And I'm gonna grill you on.
I love all that.

(45:24):
That she.
That that.
That she grills him and hepasses the test like that.
This is.
He's right.
And no.
And then somehow he pulls out.
What does he pull out?
Powder or a stick.
He does rubbings as well.
I.
Stick is hard to work with butI'm very clumsy so powder can be
messy.
Good for you.
I mean.
I mean I'm cheering for himbut also going no, I shouldn't be

(45:45):
cheering for you becauseyou're awful and you're going to
do bad things.
We had our first kill here.
Right by here.
The high school teacher.
That.
Which is a great scene.
Just he's on to Charles's gameright away.
What does he realize reallyquickly about what's wrong with Charles?
That the town he's from.
Something like that doesn't exist.

(46:06):
Right.
So that.
So he chases him down in a car.
Yeah.
And his transcripts are fake.
It's like a car thing.
And he not runs him off theroad but makes him pull over.
Yeah.
And like kinda in the side ofthe little woodsy area where he makes
his move.
Hello Charles.
Checking out your new environment?

(46:27):
Boring, isn't it?
Disneyland for cows, but forhuman beings.
Well, I like.
It's kind of peaceful.
Reminds you of Ohio, I suppose.
Yeah, well, you know.
No, actually I don't Charles.
I don't know.
And you don't either.

(46:48):
There is no Paradise Falls in Ohio.
Your transcripts are also fakes.
Clever fakes, but fakes.
Anything to say?
Transition mistaken.
Oh no, I'm not.
But you are, Charles, if youthink you can wiggle out of this.
I don't know who you are, butI know you're not who you say you

(47:10):
are.
But yeah, like I said, theimplied pedophilia.
He basically says.
Because he said, I don't haveany money, Mr.
Whatever your name is.
I can't pay you to keep this quiet.
There are other ways to keepthings quiet.
And doesn't keep his hands to himself.
That's why he gets his handripped off.
Because he was groping thisboy's genitals.
This is blackmail, Mr.
Phallus.
I think you picked the wrong guy.
This car is the only expensivething I've gotten and I'm kind of

(47:31):
sentimental about it.
I don't think I Can tell it.
Ow.
Civil.
I'm through with you.
Your generation is somercenary, Charles.
Money this, money that.
Well, money is not the onlymedium of exchange.
You're right, Mr.
Carlos.

(47:52):
People really should learn tokeep their hands to themselves.
Here's yours.
Which it took me a minute toreally like, how did this guy look?
Because he just kind of sticksit down his pants or sticks it down
his crotch.
And the guy doesn't bite itoff, so you just.
You just hear like a crunch.
Yeah, yeah, he tore it off.

(48:13):
He tore it off his hands.
He's very strong.
But this is another scene thatgot cut.
Didn't get to the center.
Oh, yeah.
You know, like, we can't showtouching people.
Creepy.
It's too bad because that.
That was like, an interesting scene.
I was.
I was like, wow, is this gonna go.
And also, he's supposed to be underage.
He's supposed to be ateenager, like, so.
I mean, even though he'sprobably 3, 000 years old, but he
is supposed to be a teenager,so he can't.

(48:34):
I mean, he was totally givingoff pedophilia vibes.
So now.
Now he's like, handless.
And he's running through the woods.
Yeah.
Like, you do victim, and theother guy's, like, slowly chasing.
And then when he kind of gets them.
So there's a little bit of achase scene here.
You know, Wanders through themud and.
And what's.
What are we calling this kid?

(48:54):
What's his kid's name?
Charles.
Charles jumps him and it'slike, you know, I guess ripping out
his throat, but it looks alittle suggestive.
Yeah.
That he's.
The way he's laying on top of him.
You see the back of his, like,football jacket and, like, the flailing
guy underneath looks like hegot what he wanted.
He got what he wanted.
Yeah, he got.
He got it.
He got a throat full ofsomething and got throw full of somebody's

(49:14):
teeth.
But that's okay.
What else got paid?
Is this.
Have we met Clovis yet?
Clovis.
How can I forget Clovis?
Clovis is my reason for lovingthis movie.
I love Clovis.
Clovis is the man of my dreams.
Tell me about Clovis.
Who's Clovis?
Clovis is the hero of thismovie, 100%.

(49:37):
Come on, boy.
Come on, boy.
Get the bad guy.
Get the bad guy.
Get the bad guy.
Come on, Clovis.
Here we go.
Get that.
Good boy, Clovis.
So I have to tell you so thatthey've already established already.
So in their new house, thecats are starting to kind of very

(49:59):
slowly, one or two is kind ofsneaking up on the house.
Yeah.
And they've got traps, likereally brutal bear traps.
Bear traps out for these catsto snag them.
And you know, every now andthen you hear one close and it kills
the cat.
A lot of cat deaths in this.
Yes.
And so you.

(50:21):
So you know these, you know,they have no problem with killing
off cats in this movie.
No, they don't.
No problem whatsoever.
And now we meet Clovis.
I'm sorry, that's the onething we left out about the description
at the beginning is that what.
What is the one thing that thesleepwalkers are.
What's their fatal flaw?
Cats.
The big cat people don't likelittle cats.

(50:42):
No.
Yeah.
The scratch of cat is the onlything that can kill them.
It's their wooden.
It's a stake of the heart.
It's a silver bullet.
Ye.
Oh, right.
Cat scratch.
So that's why the cat.
The cats smell something wrongand they're just.
They're just little by little,surrounding the.
House little by little tillit's like.
It's almost like die theliving dead with that.
Yes.
They slowly.
So you end up with a clouderof cats.

(51:02):
Yeah.
We're not going to do anythingyet because we need numbers.
But we're just going to startassembling really slowly.
We're just.
And they get nervous and she's like.
She spends a lot of time likelooking out the window.
Like, don't open window forsome reason.
Like close the freaking windowif you.
Okay.
She's starving.
She's starving and she's weakfrom hugger uncle book.
She can't fight off those cats.
You didn't get it?
No.

(51:23):
Why didn't you get anything?
I just couldn't.
What are you talking about?
Starving, Charles.
She can't fight off those cats.
She can't possibly fight offthose cats.
Then we meet like this kind oflike the sheriff.

(51:46):
There's like the Sheriff.
The sheriff.
Yes.
Somebody.
Sheriff Dan Martin.
And I can't read what else hewas in.
I feel like he looked a little familiar.
Yeah.
I can't read what it is.
I can't read.
A big handsome black guy.
Yeah.
In the 90s.
You must have seen him in 100 Things.
Ding dong.
Back to from the future here again.
Guess you have seen actor DanMartin in hundreds of things.

(52:07):
Literally.
He's got a list of TV credits.
It's over 100 shows.
Wrong.
Mostly One offs.
And that's beautifully.
Nothing wrong with that.
But he's most famous as arecurring character, Deputy Chief
Bradley Barker on the Bold andthe beautiful since 1997.
That was a lot of bees in a row.
Alliterations.
Fun.
Back to the show.
But he's sitting in his cartalking to his cat Clovis, and they're
just having a little moment,the two of them.

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He's got a.
That's who's riding shotgun.
Clovis.
Yeah.
And.
And who comes speeding by, butCharles and his blue Trans Am has
just murdered this.
You know, the school teacherflies by, and the sheriff's like,
oh, I got some work to do.
So he starts.
And they start this car chase,which is almost the beginning of

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where the movie starts toturn, because this car chase is like
a really long car chase.
It lasts a while.
It goes on for too long.
And how does it end?
Well, on the.
How did this get made?
Podcast, they referred to wasthis little scene that happens.
It's kind of like the sleep.
It's kind of like if you sawLon Chaney in his normal form and,
like, he farted, and all of asudden the werewolf came out for

(53:11):
one second.
Like, he lost control for,like, one second.
So it's kind of likesleepwalker farted when he saw Clovis.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
They end up going to eachother, and I think the guy's gonna.
Somebody's gonna shootsomebody or somebody's about to do
something major.
And then the cat kind of peekshis head up like.
What's the driving cat moviefrom San Cat Movie?

(53:32):
Oh.
Oh, yeah.
Him.
Yeah.
I don't.
I know.
He may.
The cat's almost.
That.
He kind of stinks his head almost.
And.
And it makes Charles, like,freak out.
And his face goes into, like,putty and bad.

(53:55):
What the.
Yeah, his face changes.
It faces.
It's like the beginning ofcomputer stuff where they haven't
really figured it out yet.
It's.
It's shitty cgi and themonster design isn't great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When you finally get it, it'slike the final.
Final Sleepwalker, I thinklooks cool.
The one where it looks likeit's carved and it's Egyptian, but

(54:16):
everything else looks likejust mushy, silly putty, muddy.
Like, they didn't have it downyet, though.
But there's a nice mix of,like, with.
With real gore.
I feel like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't.
I.
You know, what are you gonna do?
It's the 90s that's all we had.
Right, right.
So it freaks him out.
He pulls off to the side, hedoes this a little shimmer thing,
and he makes his car disappearbecause he's got this power.

(54:37):
He's at full capacity becausehe just ate this kid guy and he.
He makes his car disappear.
And then the cop kind of pullsalongside the.
You know, just happens to stopright next to where the car should
be.
And he's all confused and he'slike, I don't know what to do.
And then Clovis.
Clovis got a little sixth sense.
And I don't.

(54:58):
I forget how that ends, but.
Well, well, well, like.
Like they said, like myfavorite line in Cat People, which
we covered last time.
Oh, lordy me.
You could fool some peoplesome of the time, but you can't fool
a cat.
The cat sees right throughthis and he's growling at him.
This was one of my favoritelines that.
Stop looking at me.

(55:23):
Stop looking at me.
Stop looking at me, you cat.
Stop looking at me, you cat.
Which made my blood bingo list.
You cat.
But nothing comes of it.

(55:43):
Yeah, it just.
It's just.
It's.
It's.
Now we're on.
We're on the.
He's on the sheriff's radar.
He's going to be on.
The sheriff's going to belooking for him, and he's on Clovis's
radar, which is much more important.
And he still doesn't have the girl?
Not yet, no.
Well, they're about to go ontheir date.
Where they go on their date.
First he brings it.
She shows up unexpected at his house.

(56:05):
Oh, right, right, right,right, right.
Yeah.
And so she comes in and themother's like.
And the son's trying to, like,trying to keep them apart a little
bit.
And the mother's like, oh, no.
Come in, come in.
I'd like to meet you very.
You know, come me.
Come look at my.
My, my planter of feathers.
Oh, this is a bad time.
Nonsense.

(56:26):
I'm so glad you came by.
Thank you.
Well, we really ought to go.
The light for Tanya's pictureswill be.
Just fine for hours yet.
Come in, Tanya.
I have something for you.
You do?
I won't keep you long.
No.
Young people have to run and play.

(56:47):
Well, yeah, well, I get this,you know, when you're a teenager
and your date shows up at thedoor, you don't want them to meet
your mom or dad either.
I totally get this because Ican see in this case, she's gonna
say something stupid.
She's gonna get tooaggressive, be like, I'll see her
now.
Yeah, she's gonna suck.
She would.
She would be willing to goright there, like, suck the face.
Are you nice?
Are you nice?
Do you think.
Do you do things like this,like I do with my son?

(57:10):
Want to see the hickey my songave me?
And meanwhile, then kind ofbehind the girl's back, she takes
up these giant shears, whipsaround at the same time and snaps
them shut.
And you think she's gonna cutoff the girl's nose, but instead
she goes for a rose, places itlovingly in her hair.
Wow, those are your cats.

(57:32):
There's a lot of them.
Oh, they're strays, but we'llget rid of them.
We're good at getting rid ofpest there.
It finishes you somehow.
Thank you.

(57:52):
That's very sweet.
Oh, sweets to the sweet, Ialways say.
Right, Charles?
And I love that she says,sweets to the sweet.
Everybody thinks it's aromantic thing to say, and it's not.
It's not.
It's from Hamlet.
It's a funeral blessing.
Yeah.
When the queen.
The queen's throwing flowerson feelings graves, she says, sweets

(58:13):
to the sweep.
I love sweets to the sweet.
It's.
You're gonna die.
So they're all, this is foryour grave.
Go off on your date now.
They're.
They're off to the rodeo.
Yeah.
Hey, there comes Johnny withhis pecker in his hand.
He's a one ball man.
And he's off to the rodeo.
And where are they going?
Homeland Security Cemetery forsome rubbing.

(58:34):
Which is down.
Usually cemeteries are up a hill.
This one I noticed was kind ofdown a hill which looked a little.
Little, you know, flood prone.
Yes, me Take it up.
Take it up with Travis,Indiana Town Council.
Okay.
I don't want to tell you, but.
It'S a nice, creepy little cemetery.
A little, you know, got alittle Buffy vibe going.
Which.
Which apparently is whereeverybody goes to neck.

(58:55):
Yes.
And take photos and do graverubbings and.
And have a lovely picnic with wine.
She stole a wine bottle.
Which I thought was going tocome in more in handy.
Well, it does.
I mean, the corkscrew sure does.
The corkscrew sure does.
Oh, sure does.
Sure does.
So this is pretty much rightabout this is exact moment where

(59:19):
he kind of shows his truecolors and he kind of jumps her or.
Or does something like hemakes a move on her and they fall
and they do this kind of veryinteresting camera angle where you're
rolling with them.
Yeah.
And basically.
And you're.
And you just.
And the movie is rolling downhill.
Hush.
This is when it's picking upfor me.

(59:40):
But.
No, but it's.
It's.
It's your.
It's a perfect date up.
It's.
It's daylight.
It's golden hour, soeverything looks like magic.
It's really beautiful here.
So are you, Tanya.
Thank you, Charles.

(01:00:01):
I better get these out of theway right off.
Your mother's gonna want toknow some rubbing went on out here.
Me too, Charles.
And.
Yes.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh, I'm sorry I surprised youand we surprised each other.
No, no.
And we fell and we're rollingdown a hill and.
Oh, no.
I'm accidentally on top of you.
What are we gonna do?
Oh, first kiss.

(01:00:22):
And he.
Oh, sorry.

(01:00:50):
Sorry.
No sorrys.
Yeah, she is into it.
She was.
She was down for it.
She knew exactly what she wasthere to do.
She's under pressure from herslutty friends and she has never
been here before.
She's got at least.
Got to get a kiss out of this.
He might.
He might run off with one ofmy slutty friends.

(01:01:11):
Is this his first sucker out?
Suck the life out of her move?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, they.
They.
They.
They kiss a few times and then she's.
He even.
He even tests her a few more times.
He's like, I'm sorry if I'mmoving too fast.
She's like, no, it's okay.
No.
All right.
You asked for it.
Right?
Right.
You give it.
You giving.
You're giving the okay?
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden, it'shurting her.
It's.

(01:01:31):
It's.
You just see something changedin the way he puts his mouth over
her mouth instead of on her mouth.
And she starts to strugglewhen he pulls back for like one second,
there's lasers shootingbetween them.
He's sucking her soul out.
I couldn't breathe.
Is this the excitement youwere talking about?

(01:01:52):
Tanya.
Right?
We do understand each other, Tanya.
This is just how we live.
Tanya.

(01:02:15):
Tanya doesn't have to hurt.
Sucking her so loud.
And what did she do?
She.
She somehow gets out of that first.
She hit with the camera.
But here's what I love about this.
It's like this.
This girl is like she is theinnocent in this thing.
And you think she's.
She's not going to be able.
Able to fight for herself at all.

(01:02:35):
Major damage.
Puts up one hell of a fight.
She hits him with that camerafirst, and then she gets.
She goes for him with the corkscrew.
And she doesn't go for him inthe shoulder.
She goes for the eye.
She takes his eye out.
Her first instinct is to takehis eye.
And I say, that's a fighter.
I love this girl.
Baby, I lied.
It does have to hurt.

(01:02:59):
Feed Natan.
Yeah, Mother's hungry.
Just look at his shirt.
My mother's gonna kill me.

(01:03:20):
Get off me.
Get up.
She may be innocent, but sheknows how to take care of herself.
And ye for you.
And it's a brutal fight.
The thing is, the stuff thatit gets overshadowed by all this
other stuff, the stuff thathappens to Maej and Emmett in this
movie is brutal.
She gets punched in the faceby supernatural creatures really
hard, like four times.

(01:03:40):
Yeah, she's.
She's taking a beating.
That's a fight.
And which should be amazing.
But here's where they fuck itup with these bad one liners because
you think he's dead.
And then he sits up.
They do this whole build upwhere like she kind of, you know,
he thinks, he thinks he's dead.
And she said she feels bad andshe's walking up to him and then.
He jumps up and says, I lied, Tanya.

(01:04:02):
It does have to hurt orsomething like that.
No, I wrote it down.
Pika, baby.
Pick a baby.
Yeah.
And I.
I get it.
This was.
This was the Freddy Krueger era.
This is what sold.
And it's not good because it'sa total character change.
And like, the thing is the lines.
Yeah.
Could have been delivered in adifferent way, but this is how he
was directed to do.

(01:04:22):
It's not his fault.
But, yeah, terrible.
And it's a groaner.
And it does take me out of themovie, unfortunately.
And it changes the movie fromthere going forward because.
Because now we're going to geta lot more.
A lot more of those.
And a lot, A lot of them I'velearned to excuse.
They're not as bad.
Like the one where he's like,no, Tanya is supposed to hurt.
That's a good one.
Am I hurting you?

(01:04:43):
No.
Good, because it's notsupposed to.
Yeah, it does.
Yeah, it does.
Supposed to hurt.
It's much more.
It tastes much better if Ihurt you.
But this fight, this.
This fight's brutal.
It's fights brutal.
But she manages to get awayenough to run outside just in time
as the cops going by andseeing that.
That blue Trans Am is parked outside.
Which he'd seen before.

(01:05:03):
Yeah, it's the one that, that it's.
And Clovis is like.
And then of course, the cop does.
She's like, she.
She gets away.
She's up at the top.
And she's like, oh, we gottago, we gotta go.
And the cops, like, I have to investigate.
She's like, no, no, we gotta go.
He's not normal.
He's like, come on.
So we gotta go.
Doesn't listen.
Of course not.
It doesn't listen.
It doesn't look.
He's never looking where she'spointing, which always drives me

(01:05:25):
crazy, which is annoying.
Yeah.
He's more concerned aboutgetting control, controlling this.
This young girl who'sterrified rather than it finding
out what the hell she'spointing at.
Help me, please.
Get me out of here.
He's trying to kill me.
Calm down, calm down.
Tell me what happened.
Please know.
He's right behind me.
Him.
We'll get him.
No, you don't understand.
He's j.
One thing at a time, sweetheart.
This guy have a name?
His name is Charles, but he'snot human.

(01:05:46):
His face changed.
Face changed.
Get it.
Get in the car.
Lock it.
No, we both have to go.
Please.
Look, just calm down.
Ding dong.
Fucking listen to women, Sheriff.
You ding dong.
No, no, he.
No, we both have to go.
Calm down.
Okay?
No.
And yeah.
What happens?
He puts her in the back seat,closes the door.

(01:06:06):
Does he close the door yet?
I don't know.
He puts her in the back seatand then he takes out a gun and he
shoots him.
And it doesn't do anything.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
Cop kebab.
Everything's gonna be all right.
Cop kebab.

(01:06:30):
Oh, cop kebab.
I have that written down.
Ear.
I'm sure that was a bingo.
Why is it cop kebab?
Because he skewered him with a pencil.
He put him on a steak.
It's not a good joke, right?
And you see?
All right.
Oh, man.
Right in the ear.
Right in the ear.
Right in the ear.
And then he fall.
Kind of a killer move.
Okay, but he's not.
But, well, no, that's reallynot a killer move.

(01:06:51):
That right away.
But then he falls on it like aracer first and drives it further.
Brutal.
Brutal.
And there's a lot more that this.
The movie does.
A lot of these too.
Like, really like pants.
Like.
Like where you make theaudience is supposed to like, groan
and.
And then it goes one step further.
Yeah, yeah.
You thought that was bad.
We're gonna make it worse.
But yeah, we got another one.
But yeah, but he's.

(01:07:11):
It hasn't killed him yet.
And he's trying to shoot himand he misses and.
Oh, yeah.
And no.
Does he Miss.
So does he not shoot or something?
I don't remember.
I don't think he can figure out.
And somehow he walks up tohim, he takes the gun and he shoots
the guy.
Shoots the cop and the cop.

(01:07:32):
I don't believe you fired awarning shot, officer.
And man.
Clovis, Clovis, Clovis.
Delivering the bestperformance of the movie right here.

(01:07:54):
Right?
Perfect.
Saves.
Saves the day.
No, well, Clovis, yeah, itdoes save the day.
But then after it's all, youknow, saves her.
Just scratches the hell out of him.
And there's smoke coming out.
And he's freaking out.
Now, where were we, Tanya?

(01:08:31):
So he gets pretty up fromabout here, right?
This basically kills him.
I mean, he dies later on fromthese women.
Oh, yeah, because he gets thecat scratch, so he can't.
So he drives off.
He drives off and he's up.
But.
But just with Clovis, becauseClovis goes and sits on his.
On his dead shot.
Arab.

(01:08:57):
Best performance of the movieright there.
But no.
Poor Clovis.
Poor Clovis.
Of course, now.
Now Clovis has got to go allJohn Wick on these.
And now I can't say thisgirl's name.
Michelin.
Michelin.
Ma.
Does it rhyme with nothing?
It's German.
All right, so mate gets on thehorn and she's like.

(01:09:20):
It's a 101.
Goodbye.
Hello.
Hello.
We got a problem.
Cops down.
Goodbye over, out.
We need all.
All forces, stupid.
The other runs like.
You're not using proper cb.
She was off.
Hello?
Hello?
Hello.
Help me, please.
Somebody help me.
Andy, get with the program.

(01:09:43):
But now the cops are involved.
They know there's somethinggoing on.
Yeah, but.
Yeah, but we think it's over.
Like, okay, she's.
She's in custody and she's not.
She's safe.
You think she's safe now?
But, yeah, he's gone home to Mama.
And Mama's like, Mama.
He's, of course freaking.
And this is where the movieshifts because, like I said, this
is basically killed Charles.
He spends the rest of themovie on the sofa.

(01:10:05):
Dying ain't.
I'm sorry, Mom.
I tried.
I really, really tried.
It was the cat.
It was a kid.
You were right.
Finally got each other.
It doesn't matter.
Save your strength.
That is it.

(01:10:25):
But you'll be okay, honey.
I'm afraid they'll be comingfor a suit.
And now we got to deal withthe wrath of Mama.
And Mama is much scarier thanhe ever was.
Yes.
And I wish they didn't give Her.
The one liners.
Because she's so much scarierwithout them.
I agree.
When she was just acting kindof sweet.
Yeah.

(01:10:45):
Like, comes to the door withflowers, like, I'm sorry.
About what?
My son.
No.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
I brought you these flowers.
Like, big smiles and that.
And that charming voice.
Like, oh, fuck off.
Oh.
The other thing that I lovedhere, that was terrifying.
The other thing that I thoughtwas terrifying here.
I have to go back concerned.
This.
And the thing that reallybroke me about this scene, it was
a really honest moment, waswhen she was explaining to the cops
what happened.
She's like, no, he's on.

(01:11:05):
He.
He'll be on my camera.
Listen to me.
I know I sound crazy.
You're not getting the point.
Charles isn't human.
And.
And I took pictures of him.
His face will be on there.
And this is what happened.
You don't understand.
This happened.
Like, his face changed.
I don't think he's human.
And the last thing she saidwas, he was really charming.

(01:11:28):
I'll have to come over later tonight.
And ask you a few more questions.
All right?
Okay.
Are you sure his name wasCharles Brady?
That's what he said.
You think he was telling the truth?
I don't know.
He was.
He was very charming.

(01:11:48):
Oh, honey, they all always are.
The monsters always are.
You poor thing.
You just learned a life lessonthat I wish you didn't have to learn.
But you did.
But at least you survived this time.
I thought, that's great.
Oh, also, this whole scene,before we get too far, this whole
scene where the cops areinvestigating is.
Is.
Is.
Is.
Is Cameo City.
Yes.
The popping in.

(01:12:08):
Now, everybody, likeeverybody, there's one scene.
Rob Perlman's there.
Rob Perlman's not a cameo.
He's got a real.
He's got a real part in this.
But we've got Stephen Kingpops in.
Of course, because he always does.
I ain't taking the rap on this.
I lock this place up every night.
It's not my fault if everypervert weirdo don't talk.
Stephen King pops in.

(01:12:29):
He's talking to Toby Hooper.
Texas Chancellor Massacre.
Go talk to someone in charge.
I'm busy.
Clyde Barker is.
Clyde Parker Barker's there.
Okay, don't talk to me.
Talk to the sheriff.
Stu Charno From Friday the13th Part 2 shows up.
Sheriff, I need to documentthese bruises.
Oh, that's who that was.
That was driving me nuts.
The redhead guy.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And later on, we get.
We get Joe Dante and John Landis.

(01:12:52):
This is how they came out ofthe camera.
That's it.
So was the camera moving or.
No.
See, the background and theclothes are in focus.
So, yeah, all these great harddirectors show up in this movie.
So for these little cameos,which is kind of amazing.
Like, how did.
How did they pull that off?
I don't know.
Well, you know, I guess theyall just know each other and they

(01:13:13):
just.
They're trying to be reallysupportive of it.
It's a Stephen K.
Movie.
We're going to get paid a lot for.
For.
For, you know, hour.
An hour's worth of work.
He was actually kind ofinteresting in that he's.
He plays like, this guy just,you know, doesn't want to get in
trouble.
He's like the grave owner graveyard.
Totally unnecessary scene.

(01:13:34):
But it's fun to just see everybody.
Yeah.
Just walking around, like,thinking somebody else is the ball.
And it's cameos done, Right?
Because you don't.
If you don't know, you don't know.
They don't put big.
They don't put big bullseyeson them.
Like, look at this famous bird.
Then look at the end joke.
They're just passing through.
And you catch it or you don't.
I think that's nice.
But, yeah, Rob Perlman shows up.
He's the state trooper.
Because they're gettinginvolved now.

(01:13:54):
And perp history by now.
Ira, he killed one of my men.
Look, all you got is onehysterical little girl with a very
vivid imagination.
What about the cats?
What about Amira?
Listen, that little girl needsa good.
Smack on the butt.
And if her mama and daddy won't.

(01:14:14):
Do it, I'll happily volunteer.
Stay away from her.
Soames.
Yes.
This.
This last thing when mama justrages siege on this poor family is
all crazy.
She takes out the whole police force.
Course it's nuts.
Identify yourself.

(01:14:36):
Police officers.
Maybe it was the wind.
It was not the wind.
You're right.
That was not the wind.

(01:14:58):
So now we're at the finalthird part.
Yeah.
Correct.
Yeah.
This is.
This is where the mother takes over.
And she's now the monster.
She's now the.
The whole antagonist for therest of the movie.
The sun's dying on the couchand she is attic.
She's like the Terminator.
Yes, she's totally doingterminal hot Terminator.

(01:15:18):
Showing up doors with flowers,trying to get her foot in the door.
Hi, I'm Mary Brady, Charles's mother.
Charles couldn't come himself.
Donald, who is it?
I'll take care of it, Helen.
Just stay in the kitchen.
Look, Mrs.
Brady.
But I know he wanted you tohave these flowers.

(01:15:40):
Donald.
And then smacking the vaseover the guy's head and I don't know
if she killed him, but she.
She definitely did some damage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Takes out the mom too.
Yes, if you just call yourdaughter for me.
What?
My son is badly hurt.
He may be dying.
Your daughter tried to kill my Charles.

(01:16:01):
Good.
I hope he dies.
I hope you both die.
I hope you both die and rot in hell.
He's my son.
My only son.
Did she take it?
Everybody who comes to contactwith she's got the worst line in
the movie Them.
Yes, she sure does.

(01:16:21):
What was it?
Where's Ira?
Horus, what's going on out.
There's a woman here.
She said she's the Brady kid's mother.
And I think she killed Don Robertson.
Slow down, Horace.
There's blood everywhere.
No vegetables, no dessert.

(01:16:41):
Those are the rules.
Oh my God.
And the what?
That's kind of the worst killtoo, because what happens?
She stabs him?
She stabs somebody with an earof corn.
An ear of corn?
Well, in theory it's dumb, buta corn cob is a very good weapon.
You know, it's what they madeknives out of back in the day.
You know, you sharpen one,it's, it's.

(01:17:02):
It's very hard.
It's very.
And it could be really killercop to have a blunt object shoved
into your abdomen.
That hurts.
That is painful.
That is painful.
Right in the back.
But it's just not.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
No, because then they show itand it just looks dumb.
Looks like it's sticking outof it.
It looks like it'd be greatcosplay outfit.

(01:17:24):
I'm a cop from sleepwalkers.
Yeah.
Got stand in the back with corn.
He can wipe my butt on my corn cob.
No, don't do that.
Anyway, what Then she does a little.
Double headed head to headhead knock Y.
Yep.
I think that's what JohnLandis maybe.
No, no, no, no, no.
John Landis was just.
He was where they weredeveloping the film and they were
like, oh, he's got no face.
It was him.

(01:17:44):
It was John Landis and JoeDante looking at the film and that
was it.
But no, it was just other copsthat got killed here.
Lots, lots of dead random cops.
Cops had a fire.
Cops get their.
The poor sheriff gets impaledon a picket fence fenced.
And so they're going.
She's going strong with this.
She's wiping out her Whole family.

(01:18:06):
She.
She does this thing too where the.
Michelle gets a.
Jumps into a car.
Car and try, you know, can'tget the car started.
She comes over, she breaks thewindow and then she grabs her arm.
She grabs Michelle's arm andtries to pull her out and she rakes
her arm across like a.
Some glass that's sticking up.

(01:18:27):
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
That was.
That just bothered me so much.
She gets a beaten out of her.
This movie.
She really does, likeemotionally, physically.
She really does.
She does.
She takes it like a chance.
She can't kill the girl herself.
She's got to bring him home tosee if she can save her son.
If we can get him to eat, hewon't die.
And then I won't die.
What's happening?
Where are you taking me?

(01:18:47):
To see Charles.
Dude, we got to get this girl home.
It can only be this one.
This is the one we've chosen.
We can't find another virginnow because there's no other virgins

(01:19:08):
in Indiana.
So they're terrassing acrosstown trying to get back to the house
in time before Charles dies.
And the problem is by thistime, the house is now surrounded
by cats.
There is a battalion of catsall around house.
There's a sea of cats on the lawn.
And when the mother sees that,rather than deal with the cats at
all, she's just like it.
She floors the gas and theyjust drive over the cats in the wall.

(01:19:31):
Trans Am in the living room.
Bang, bang, bang.
How this girl is not crippled.
I know.
No, poor, poor T.
And the son's dead already.
Is he.
Is he actually dead on thecouch by now?
Unclear.
He's not well, like he's notresponding to any.

(01:19:52):
No, because she.
She's definitely not.
The mother's acting like he'salive and poor Todd is like he's
dead.
What do you.
Look at him.
He's dead.
He's got full cat face.
It's like it's half in, half out.
It's like half.
Half man, half cat.
But it's all mushy.
It's all mushy.
Like every.
His.
His eyeballs hanging out.
She put the corkscrew inthere, which I loved.

(01:20:13):
See what?
Mommy's body.
He's dead.
Look at him.
He's dead.
No, not dead.
He's sleeping.
Can't you see he's sleeping?

(01:20:36):
You know what?
I bet he'd love to.
Do you like to dance, wouldn'tyou, my darling?
And she's like, let's dance.
Yeah, exactly.
And by the Way.
That song.
Do you know the name of that song?
That 50 song they keep playing?
The instrumental.
It's called Sleepwalk.
No, the name of the song isSleepwalk by Santo and Johnny.

(01:20:58):
1959.
Oh, there's a little Enyarunning around here too, right?
That song by Enya is anotherstar of the film.
Pops in a couple of times.
It pops in a couple of times,but it changes the mood and it's
such a wonderful.
We'll come back to that.
Yeah.
Did that come first?
Was that song a hit beforethis movie?
It wasn't a hit, but it wasjust out according to Mick Garris.

(01:21:19):
It was like they were offeredher her entire library.
Like they're like, you have touse one of her songs.
And they're like, okay.
And he said, this is the only one.
This song's great.
The rest of the stuff is goingto work for this movie.
But this song is moody andcreepy and sexy and strange.
Strange.
It's perfect.
It's mysterious.
Wow.
And it is.
Every time it plays, it change.
It changes the tone of thefilm, which I think is wonderful.

(01:21:41):
It adds.
It adds gravitas, which is oneof my favorite words.
It adds gravy toes.
So mom is super kick ass.
She's.
She's.
It's not really workingthough, the dance scene, right?
No, he wakes up.
He wakes up in the middle of it.
All of a sudden he's fine.
Is that true?
Yeah, he kind of comes at some point.
He all of a sudden he's okay again.

(01:22:02):
Like he starts acting on his own.
And because she wakes.
Cause Tanya, the first thingshe does is take out his other fucking
eyes.
She puts both of her thumbs inher eyes.
I'm like, you go.
Keep going for those eyes.
This is how you save your life.
Relax.
He's a wonderful dance.

(01:22:24):
He'll lead.
That's it.
Dance.

(01:22:48):
Yes.
Now, Charles, now.
Good, good, Charles.
Feed sucker dry.

(01:23:13):
Stop, you're killing him.
Die.
This is exactly what theyteach you in self defense class.
Don't be polite.
Go for the ice.
Good, good.
And she does.
I love her.
That's why I love her.
Like, go for it.
Yes, she takes him out.
But this is wonderful.
Now that the son's dead, she's.
That mom's just raging and allthis is terrifying.
Like before she was like out for.

(01:23:35):
You know, she had.
I have to save my son.
There was a nobility to it.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
She shows up at the porch.
Yeah.
She's being polite and charming.
I brought you these sons.
I'm so Sorry about what my sondid to you.
What a horrib thing.
Let's take go.
Yeah, she's.
But the mask is off.
She's like, everybody,Everybody dies.
Everybody dies.

(01:23:56):
She's taking them all out.
But now on top of that,there's a lot of cats.
The cats.
Have a ride.
Stop.
You're killing him.
Die.

(01:24:17):
And you know what?
There's something about all ofthese scenes of the cats.
When you see cats in mass,when you see cats on moss all doing
the same thing, I'm going, oh,and this is pretty.
Like, they're not CGI cats.
Somewhat like in this.
In the crowd scene, some ofthem are clearly just dummy cats.
But when you just see a wholestreet full of cats running in the
same direction going, what'sgoing on?

(01:24:38):
What are they up to?
What do they have?
What do they all know that Idon't know.
Something's up.
How many cat wranglers?
I don't know.
And what I also love is thatMcGarris and Mason Nemec were allergic
to cats.
Mason's like, I can't tellanybody this because I'm not gonna
get the job.
But she has almost no sceneswith cats.
Except for Clovis.

(01:24:58):
But, but yeah, but yeah.
All these scenes of the catson moths swarming this house of greatness.
When the, when the battle cry.
When Clovis shows up and thebattle cry goes out and they are
just pounding the out of her.
All this is great.
It's great.

(01:25:18):
Go.
And she's snapping their backs.
Oh, my God.
She's grabbing the throats.
The sheriff.
Sh.
The sheriff shows up andshoots her.
But she winds up in the sameprocess shooting a cat off her back.
That goes bang across the room.
It's so rip.

(01:25:38):
Yeah.
It's out of control.
It's brutal.
And I, I, I love cats, but Ilove all this.
Cuz I'm like, yeah, my catwould stand out for me if a sleepwalker
showed up.
Isn't that right?
Right.
I don't know, Steve.
You don't see any sleepwalkersaround, do.
No, I don't.
Good job.
But yeah, it's this crazyfinal battle.

(01:26:00):
The cat's.
But Clovis takes her to helm.
Clovis takes her down asClovis month.
Clovis has to have the final word.

(01:26:30):
It.

(01:27:09):
It's pretty legendary.
I love this final moment too,with her just sitting in the cop
car when it's all over.
Yes.
And Clover.
And Clovis jumps in.
She says, it's just you andme, Clovis.
Clovis.

(01:27:36):
It's just you and me, Clovis.
Just you and me.
It's just our two heroes, safeat last.
Safe in their little bubble,watching the world burn around them

(01:27:57):
as Anya swells.
It's fabulous.
It's just you and me.
And I'm like, you know what?
I love that answer becauseit's like that's all she's got.
Everything else is gone.
And isn't that all of us?
Well, no, I mean, we don'tknow like the mom wasn't dead.
We don't know if the dad's dead.
We don't know who's dead,who's not.
But like her entire beliefsystem, her entire world is crumbled.

(01:28:19):
The only thing that she knowsit could protect her is this cat.
It's just you and me againstthis whole fucking world.
I'm keeping you forever.
She's going to be a lonely cat lady.
You were the only thing thatkept me safe.
But only one cat.
Clover's got to live forever.
And I love the moment with,with the, with the Anya playing in
the background and gravitasthe whole thing.
And it's like, this is.
No, this is.
This is.
This is your.

(01:28:40):
This is your.
Yeah.
Happy ending.
It's happy as it's going to get.
Everybody got the cut whatthey need.
She was survived.
He got his revenge and she gota cat that's going to protect her
like nobody else can in theway that nothing else in the world
could.
Which I think is nice.
What I think is cool about herperformance too is that there's an
innocence to it.
Even though she's kicking assat the end, that innocence never

(01:29:02):
goes away.
She still feels like a young girl.
Like horror movies love totake that and it's like give it a
character with that innocenceand then like beat it out of them
by the end of it.
They're this hardened war warrior.
We don't get that here.
And I love that she stillretains some humanity.
Yeah, I thought she was goodin it.
She was like.
She was one of the they want.
And I gotta say that.

(01:29:22):
What's her name?
Ann Cringe or what's her name?
Alice Cringe is pretty good.
Except for the.
Except for some shitty one liners.
It's probably not that.
Alice Craig.
Yeah, not her fault.
Not her fault.
That's the.
Yeah, I mean everybody'sserving everything what they need
to serve and they're doingwhat they can to elevate the material.
Besides the bed cat things arepretty good.
The, the.

(01:29:42):
The CGI is not good, but thegore stuff is great.
Yeah.
And unexpected when it happens.
Yeah.
It doesn't feel like it'sgoing to be a gory movie, but then
it is.
Yeah.
Surprisingly, yes.
And I didn't expect it to bethis violent either, but some things
I.
Had unknown about, like carchase, invisibles, incest, gay blackmail,

(01:30:04):
mirror reveals.
There's a couple of thosewhere they pass by a mirror and you
see the real selves in it.
Oh, you know what?
If that was the thing, if youwere asleep.
If you were a supernaturalcreature whose real identity could
be reformed, revealed by amirror, but you maybe take the mirrors
down your house, maybe do that something.
Sorry.
Was sitting shiva today.

(01:30:24):
Sorry.
So the first half was pretty good.
The second half is nuts with aZ at the end.
Recommend it.
That's a tough one, right?
If you're in the movie.
I do.
I.
I love the movie.
So I will always recommend itbecause it is batshit crazy and you
won't see anything else like it.
There's nothing else like thismovie out except for cat creature

(01:30:46):
20 years before.
Yeah, but.
But still, same vibe.
Same vibe.
The whole.
That cat pylon at the end,exact same man's name just gets ripped
to pieces.
I mean, would you recommend it?
Like, I mean, how did I.
How did it go over at your.
I have to say, it was kind of.
We were a little ruthless with it.
We.
Because a lot of people, itwas a second rewatch for them.
For me, it was a firstrewatch, first watch.

(01:31:07):
And.
And there was one girl.
I don't know if you know her.
Pick a lady.
Pick a lady.
Ladies.
All the big lady.
We love Pick a Lady.
She was like, you are being alittle too hard on this movie.
You know, why don't youlighten up?
And she was right.
Like, we were like, okay, all right.
Like, we were judging it likeit was Academy Award win, like, really
picking it to pieces when itwas kind of fun and it went.

(01:31:29):
And it tried.
I'm with Pick a Lady on thisone, too, because, like, there, there,
like, I will.
Like, the first thing I saidto Uncle Spooky when I got on today
is like, this is not a goodmovie, but there's.
There's great things in it.
And I think this is a moviethat I think could do with a remake.
That a remake could save this movie.
I hate.
You know, it's just to ironout some of those, you know, or maybe

(01:31:51):
take some stuff away or, you know.
Yeah.
Like a.
Let less.
Less of the car.
Changing things.
Because that.
Yeah, that was weird.
People a little more timeexplaining what the sleepwalkers
are and how they work.
Like if we need.
If people understood that thisis how they feed, I think they wouldn't
get so hung up on the incest.
Right.
Because it's not incest.
It's feeding.
It's something.

(01:32:12):
This is what they need to doto survive.
It's not just.
We're not just doing this tobe gross, although we are.
It is actually 100% exploitation.
But not the point right now.
But you know what I mean, it'snot gratuitous.
It's there for a reason.
Yeah.
I mean, but the incest is whatsort of sets that said gives it that.
What you lose the one linersand now we have better cgi.
I think you can get a great movie.
I think you're totally right.
Definitely.
But you know what you don'thave in a remake?

(01:32:33):
What?
Michelle Ambalong, whateverher name is.
Mason Amic.
You know what?
She could play the mom now.
I wonder.
Yeah, she's.
I heard she was pretty good asthe evil.
She's like evil in Riverdale, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean she could.
She could.
That would be.
That would be fun that if shebroke you.
If you came back.

(01:32:53):
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you, Hollywood.
Get on that.
So you know what somebodybrought up too?
From what did they bring up?
Uncle Spooky from the Big Spookarama.
Because they had mentionedearlier that they sensed there were
more of these cat creaturesout there.
There had to be more.
Yeah.
And this.
She could smell one of themaround there.
The guy, Frank, his name is.

(01:33:14):
Thought maybe Michelle was oneof the crack creatures.
Was going to turn out to belike a.
A baby cat.
Cat creature in the making.
And that was gonna.
But that didn't work out.
No, it didn't work out.
No.
That would be weird.
That would be weird.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
We ate one of our own.
Oh, no.
Well, then again animals dothat too.
Yeah.
And I could see them doingthat in the sequel.

(01:33:35):
Like I mean in the remakesomething putting that in there.
We're gonna drop thatstoryline of where the.
Where's the rest of them?
You are dinner.
We have.
We have a line tonight.
So some of my bingos were.
You are dinner.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
You were lunch.
There was a year.
Just accept the fact thatyou're lunch.
I don't think you're enteringinto the spirit of this.

(01:33:57):
Why don't you just think ofyourself as Lunch.
Is it lunch?
God damn.
It was at the picnic.
It was in the picnic scene.
Oh, God.
They might have come backagain later.
It was definitely lunch cloudor of cats.
We had to look that up.
Like, what is a.
What's a herd of cats?
It's a clowder.
A clowder of cats.
Yeah, right.

(01:34:18):
Never heard that one before.
Never heard.
Because this cuz cats don'ttravel in packs normally except when
they sleepwalkers.
She's a hand to a.
Oh, that's.
Whatever I said.
She's a hair too old to play avirgin high school student.
This is just my little notes.
It's very.
It's very, very judgy.
It's very judgy.
Clovis gets an explanation point.
Cl.
Clovis gets the win.

(01:34:38):
Clovis movie.
I'd say Clovis turns out to bethe real star of this movie.
100%.
I would have watched like awhole film series about Clovis.
Like Clovis fighting off the Mafia.
I need a.
I need a sequel with Clovis.
Yeah, he's dead.
He's long dead.
The movie's 30 years old.
Come on, Uncle Spooky.
Well, I appreciate you askingme to do this one.

(01:35:00):
Oh, you're welcome.
I appreciate you being herefor it.
Yeah, because.
And I also.
Thank you.
I also want to say thank.
Thank you.
I mean, granted, you're arecent addition to my list of guests,
but I wanted to thank you forcoming on.
The show's wrapping up.
You know, we're ending theshow in a couple of episodes and.
For good or just for the season?
Oh, no, for good.
I can't continue on doingscreenplays I don't have.
I can't keep up with theproduction levels anymore.

(01:35:22):
I'm doing the other two shows still.
I'm going to keep doing theFriday the 13th, the series and the
70s TV movie things, but fornow, I can't keep up.
Oh, wow.
Too much.
Well, keep me in mind forthose 70 TV movies.
I love those.
Those.
Oh, of course, of course.
And also, It's.
It's been 15 years.
I think I've done my job.
I think I've run my course wf.
I've done my job here.
Yeah, but it.

(01:35:42):
It.
How many episodes?
Yeah, for this.
This one.
I don't.
It's over.
It's over.
300.
Oh, my God.
You got a favorite.
What's your top five?
That's a whole other issue.
That's going to be one of myclosing episodes.
I can't Give that away.
Now, I hope I make a guest list.
List.
Yeah.
Well, no, I mean, that's justgoing to.

(01:36:03):
Yeah, there's not gonna be a guest.
No.
Top five guests.
Oh, right.
Top five guests.
Yeah, we'll see about that.
Now just keep my name on it.
I, I, I accept bribes.
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe putsomething special in your bag of
secrets.
I'll take it.
Just for me.
Just for me.
Okay, Uncle Spooky, remindpeople where they can find out about
you and where they can findout more about your spooker.

(01:36:24):
Well, this Monday, I'll be at the.
Which probably won't bewherever you see it, but it'll be
a red eye.
Red eye.
New York for Mardi Gras Massacre.
Yay.
So if you're not doinganything, come on by Monday night.
Do I get, Do I, do I get beadsif I show my boobs?
Oh, sure.
Beats just for that moment and.

(01:36:44):
But normally once a month atFlying Fox Tavern over in Ridgewood,
Queens, they do a fabuloushamburger fire island.
I do like a Tuesday night overin Cherry Grove at the Ice Palace.
That's a weekly for July and August.
You happen to be out there,you want to watch a horror movie
with your unc.
And then every Monday, I do astay at home secret stay at home

(01:37:07):
spookorama where it's like azoom and you can keep your camera
on or off.
No pressure.
And we watch a movie togetherand you guys help me come up with
bingo words for the but myblood bingo boards.
For which you will get no credit.
Which you will get absolutelyno credit.
All right.
Thank you so much, Uncle's Boogie.
Thank you for hanging out with me.
Thank you for talking aboutthis crazy, crazy movie.

(01:37:29):
And thank you for being you.
Stay healthy, stay safe, andmost of all, stay fabulous and stay
dead.
Damn you.
I'll do what I can.
Yay.
Yay.

(01:37:49):
That felt good.
Finally getting to talk aboutthis movie after so long was like
getting a hairball.
It's been stuck in my systemsince 1992, and now it's out, so
hooray, I can go on with my life.
Thank you again for Uncle Spooky.
That was super fun hanging outwith you.
And, oh, hey, the sessionwhere I sat down with Uncle Spooky,
we recorded that weeks ago.

(01:38:09):
So all that information hegave gave up about his shows.
A lot of it's obsolete now.
So let me refresh you.
If you want to see UncleSpooky live, if you want to see what
he does in person, you got tocome to Ridgewood Queens.
Because every last Sunday ofthe month, he's at the Flying Fox
Tavern hosting his Spookaramascary movie night, where not only
will you get to watch a superscary movie with Uncle Spooky, you

(01:38:30):
get to play blood bingo foryourself, for real.
And maybe if you're lucky, youcan reach inside Uncle Spooky's bag
of secrets and take out a prize.
But if you don't live anywherein New York City, you can still participate,
because every single Mondaynight, Uncle Spooky hosts a stay
at home Spookorama over Zoom.
But it's a super secretSpookorama, so you're gonna have
to follow Uncle Spooky onInstagram in order to get that info

(01:38:54):
and his links right down herein the show notes.
So use it, use it, use it, use it.
Of course, this summer he'sgonna be at the Ice palace in Fire
island, but yes.
So you have your choice of theFlying Fox Tavern live, Zoom, or
out on Fire Island.
And as part of your crazy gaysummer fun, what are my last thoughts
about sleepwalkers?
I don't have any.
It's a pretty muchstraightforward movie initially.
My big takeaway during thislast viewing was, oh, hey, Mason.

(01:39:15):
Emmett retains her innocenceat the end of the movie.
There's still some of thatyoung woman that's still untouched
there.
There's not.
They didn't break her down.
They didn't turn her into a machine.
They.
You're not getting TanyaRobertson reborn at the end of the
film.
She's still Tanya Robinson,high school student when that movie
movies rolling.
And I said, but now as I wasediting, I realized, you know what?
Of course that's how it is.
That's what the sleepwalkersfeed on.

(01:39:36):
They feed on innocence,symbolically represented by virginity.
But yes, they feed on innocence.
So if at the end of the movie,you're getting Tanya Robertson reborn,
that means the sleepwalkers won.
They just, even though theydidn't feed on her innocence, they
didn't eat that out of her.
They killed it anyway.
So whatever.
That's my big observation.
That's all I got.
It's a pretty straightforward movie.
There's lots of thoughts aboutwhat's going on in the world right

(01:39:57):
now, but I promise we weren'tgoing to do that this time.
No, we're not going to talkabout any of that this time.
But please, I just want you totake care of, of yourself.
Do what you need to do to takecare of yourself, whatever that may
be.
I'm taking kickboxing I'mstarting next week because you never
know.
Because you never know whenit's gonna come in handy.
But so anyway, aside fromthat, aside from all that other stuff,
Patrick, what's going on inthese final episodes of Scream Queens?

(01:40:19):
Well, things got a littlefunky right now.
There was some scheduling withguests that had to be redone.
And now I've got a bit of ahole in my schedule.
But that's okay.
That's okay.
Okay.
But I'll tell you who, theguests that are going to be on these
final episodes that have linedup so far, I couldn't end the show
without having Allison andBrian back on.
Those crazy kids from California.

(01:40:40):
I'm gonna have them and MattKnife talk about Night of the Demons,
the original one from 1988 or89, whatever that was, for very different
reasons.
Because I think with Allisonand Brian, we're gonna get a fun
first watch.
And of course, Allison, seeingthe Lil Na Quigley lipstick scene
is going to be what I've beenwaiting for for this entire 15 year
run.
Well, man, I think we're gonnabe able to have a more intellectual,
deeper conversation on why dothe gays love this movie so much.

(01:41:02):
And of course, it would not beScream Queens if I did not say goodbye
to my two favoriteheterosexuals, my beard brothers,
Michael Howey and Christopher Groman.
And here's the funny thing.
We were going to talk aboutthis movie called Hundreds of Beavers.
So there would be funny tosend off the heterosexuals with a
movie called Hundreds of Beavers.
But we discovered that it'sreally hard to talk about because
there's no dialogue and it'slike a big, long 1930s Warner Brothers

(01:41:24):
cartoon.
Let's say it's a bad movie.
It's a great movie.
But it was very difficult forme to talk about beaver.
So once again, theheterosexuals brought my show.
So instead we're going to betalking about the Please Don't Destroy
movie, the Legend of FoggyMountain or the Treasure of Fogging
you Mountain, whatever it is.
It's something.
Something of Foggy Mountainthat's on Peacock.
And why are you picking that, Patrick?
It's not a horror movie.
Well, neither one of them likehorror movies.
And this is the closest invibe to.

(01:41:45):
To Dave made a maze that I'veseen in a long time.
So I thought that would be agood way to say goodbye to those
boys.
And of course, I want to saygoodbye to the original dynamic duo.
The first two guests thatreally clicked on the show.
It took it to a new place.
I'm talking about DougShapiro, everyone's favorite Freddy
Cat and trading.
We're gonna be talking aboutthis 1973 movie that Trey brought

(01:42:06):
to me called Arnold, starring everybody.
Everybody's.
Even Stella Stevens, RyanMcDowell, Elsa Lanchester, Jamie
Farts got this crazy, crazy cast.
It's one of those old darkhouse mystery comics comedy movies
where Stella Stevens marries adead guy in order to, you know, gold
dig some money out of the will.
And then all the other.
All the other benefactors ofthe wheel start getting knocked off
in really, really bizarro ways.
And you know how I love ahouse full of rich cunts that hate

(01:42:29):
each other.
It's one of those movies.
And it's a.
What?
It's a rare movie that I thinkneeds to be seen again.
It's a good way to send themoff because, you know, Doug doesn't
like scary movies either.
Why do I have so many friendsthat don't like scary movies?
I don't know anyway, but youdo, and that's where you're here.
So I'm going to stop talking now.
Sake.
No, I'm not.
Because basically what allthat babble that I just babbled was
to say is that I'm not surewhich one of those episodes is going

(01:42:49):
to be the next episode, if anyof them are going to be the next
episode.
I mean, eventually they'll allbe coming up, but I'm not sure which
one of them will be.
Or I might have something elseto stick in there as well.
Stop it.
Behave yourself.
Stop it.
Stop it.
I am not trying to be vulgarright now, believe it or not.
I'm just saying things are upin the air and it's not my legs for
a change.
What?
Really?
If you are just going to dragyour mind through the gutter like
that, then I'm just going towrap things up for another episode.

(01:43:12):
All right, my beautiful,beautiful screamers until next time,
please, more than ever, pleasedo not forget the Scream Queen's
golden rule.
Hold it tight to your heart.
Hopefully it will provide someinspiration to you to get through
these really, really bizarrotimes that we're living in.
Say it with me, everybody.
Fight or flight.
Survive the night.
Make it to the final reel.
Stay safe, stay healthy, anddon't forget for a second that I

(01:43:35):
love you.
And I mean all of you.
All of the music for tonight'sshow, unless otherwise specified,
has been written by Sam Haynes.
You can find all of his music@www.bandcamp.com.

(01:44:00):
Ass.
Ow.
Ew.

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