Everything You Need to Know About Snapchat & Parental Controls with Officer Gomez (#111)

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Melanie Hempe (00:07):
Hi, everyone, and welcome to the ScreenStrong
families podcast, bringing youthe best solutions for parents
who are serious abouteliminating screen conflicts and
big problems in their home. Thisis Melanie hempy. And I am so
glad you're here today, I hopethat everyone is having a great
summer day enjoying ourvacations. And maybe you're

(00:30):
listening to this while you'redriving on those long car trips
with with our kids and ourteenagers. And I want to
encourage you to have somescreen free time this summer
with your kids. So welcome,everyone, if you're one of our
regular listeners, welcome back.
If you're new friend, we are soglad you found us be sure and
listen to some of the otherepisodes is well. So I just have

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to start really quick. Lastnight, we were at a baseball
game because we are a baseballfamily and our kids have done
baseball for a long time since Idon't know how old are five
years, I guess five years oldwhen they started and I was
thinking about how much timethat we have invested in that
sport. And I also thought aboutyou know, you're gonna invest in

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something with your kids. So youget to pick as the parent, you
get to pick what that timeinvestment looks like. And as
y'all know, with my oldest son,we sort of made some bad choices
there as a family, and we lethim invest in tons of video game
time. And that was a hugemistake. And you can read a

(01:35):
whole lot more about that on ouron our website. But last night,
when I was sitting there, I wasso thankful that our kids have
chosen to invest with our help,of course, they've chosen to
invest their time and theirchildhood and all these memories
that we have of all these fungames and all the people that we
have met in the lifelong friendsthat they have made all through

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the years. And even when we areout and about at the grocery
store, or just doing certainerrands we will run into the
kids in our community that haveplayed with our kids, maybe not
in the last couple years, buteven from five and six years
ago. And it's just really fun, Ithink for the kids to feel
really bonded and connected. Sowith sports, you get a whole lot

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more than just some fun baseballgames, in this case baseball,
but you get this benefit ofhaving the investment pay off.
And again, I'm just so glad thatwe're not investing all of our
time in the teenage virtualworld, that we've chosen to do
things differently. And I alsohad a mom, talk with me about

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her 13 year old daughter gettinga phone. And the reason why I'm
bringing this up today, I havethat conversation with parents a
lot. But the reason why I'mbringing it up today is because
when I asked the mom, you knowwhy? What was the reason or the
trigger for this? Like, doesyour daughter really need a

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phone? And she said, Yes, sheneeds a phone, because all her
friends are on Snapchat. Andthis just happened yesterday.
And I thought I'm so excitedthat we have our guest today
because we're going to talkabout Snapchat. And so I did
have a really good conversationwith her. And again, it unfolded
that she her reasoning forgetting this phone at the age of

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13 when she said that that wasthe legal age to get it. And I
reminded her and I want toremind everyone out there again,
and we've we've talked aboutthis a while back. But I just
want to remind you if youhaven't heard this before, that
13 is not the legal age relateto get a phone. So when you get

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a phone, you have to sign acontract. And that age is really
18. But the reason why parentstalk a lot about 13. And they
think that 13 somehow is the ageof maturity for social media.
And I'm not laughing about this.
But I'm I'm so sad because it'sa myth that's out there. What I

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want to explain about thisreally quickly, is first of all,
13 is not the internet age ofadulthood. Most parents believe
this, because the sites will sayyou have to be 13 in order to be
on them or to get the app. So 13is again it's not it's not the
age of maturity. The agerequirement is listed on social

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media platforms as a requirementfor the Coppa act. And so what
that is it cotpa was an age thatwas set in 1998 before social
media was ever invented fouryears before Facebook seven
years before the iPhone cameout, and it is the Children's
Online Privacy Protection Act.
And this is why the age of 13 islist In all of these apps, this

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has nothing to do with yourchild's maturity. What it is, is
a law that says that no onlinesite can collect data and
personal information fromchildren under the age of 13,
without a parent's consent. Soagain, the law had nothing to do
with the age of maturity. I usedto think this, I used to think

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that oh is 13 that says on herethat you'd be 13, in order to
play certain video games even.
But on the social mediaapplications where you see this
age, it has nothing to do withmaturity, there's not a big
committee out there somewherethat decided that 13 was the
best age for a smartphone. So Ijust want you all to be really

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clear on that. And we're goingto put the law in the link down
in the show notes. But the thesummary of the ruling, I'll read
the summary really quick COPPAimposes certain requirements on
operators of websites or onlineservices directed to children
under 13 years of age and onoperators of other websites or

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online services that have actualknowledge that they are
collecting personal informationonline from a child under the
age of 13. And they will getfined a huge fine if they are in
violation of this. So if yourchild goes on and says that they
are 13, they put in a falsebirthday, for example, then they

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are immune from any penalty ofthe law that the companies are.
So what that means is that theycan't police whether or not your
child is lying about their age,but I just want parents out
there to understand that 13 hasnothing to do with the age and
maturity for social media. Andif you are a seasoned parent,
meaning you have raised a fewchildren, and you're kind of in

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that stage of life, where youhave some years behind you and
some miles behind you, you knowthat no 13 year old is mature
enough for a smartphone or forany of these social media apps.
And you also know that no matterwhat you do, you you can't force
maturity on a child to all of asudden make them more mature
than they really are. So I am soexcited to have our guest today

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because I know that he has somuch to say about this topic.
We're very honored to bring backone of our most popular guests
from our podcast. Welcome,Officer Gomez.

Officer Gomez (07:26):
Well, thanks for having me. And I'm glad to be
here. Many

of our listeners know who you are. But for those
who are new, give us just alittle bit of background. And
the reason why a lot of peopleknow who you are is your
Facebook page. And you have alot of followers and you just
tell it like it is and we are soready as a culture to get that
message. And to hear that tellit like it is add to we that's
why you have so many followers.
And that's why we love you somuch. But give us a little bit

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of a background for the newfolks that are listening.

Okay, so I have a background in engineering, I was
a electronics engineer prior tobecoming law enforcement. I
became law enforcement that kindof gravitated towards school
resource officer. So I've beenin law enforcement for 13 years
10 of those I've been a schoolresource officer at little
schools, big schools and inbetween schools. I've helped

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educate kids parents. I've alsobeen part of the Internet Crimes
Against Children Task Force,which goes after predators and
I've learned a lot from growingup for predators from taking
reports from actual kids who arein trouble from the internet,
some of whom are beingsextortion some who are having
suicidal problems, everything inbetween I take lots of reports I

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go to lots of houses where thekids are out having meltdowns
because their electronics aregetting taken away. So my
background is engineering I justmake notes of patterns and I try
to share those patterns withparents so that they can make
better decisions in their kidselectronic life and their
parenting life because I'm atthe school all day I see what

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parenting does and the effectsit has on kids.

We love having you on because you are sort of
our eyes and ears out there yourboots on the ground right you're
you're on the other side therehave been in our kids lives and
in their day during the time ofday that parents really aren't
there so you get to see a wholenother side and I think it's
always super valuable to getintel from people like you and

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and thank you so much for yourjob in the schools and what a
huge calling that is I I thinkthat'd be so overwhelming. And
I'm so thankful for people likeyou even the resource officer
positions out there and anyoneout there who's who's really on
the frontlines trying to helpkids and I love so much that you
are so passionate about sharingthe truth and really trying to

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say let's save kids. So ourtopic today. Like I said this
week when this parent asked meabout Snapchat she wasn't really
asking me she was just sayingthat this was the reason why she
was getting her 13 year oldphone because all All her
friends were on Snapchat. So canyou start first by just
explaining what Snapchat is, Ithink there's a lot of parents

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who still are not clear aboutwhat it is.

So Snapchat is probably the most popular
application for a social mediafor kids. And what makes it
popular, there's a few featuresthat make it popular. Number one
is the messages back and forthbetween users automatically
delete. Number two feature thatmakes it super popular is the

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face mapping technology. So youcan put filters where you are
throwing up, or you have bigeyes, or some strange thing that
they can make little movie clipswith, and share with each other
streaks. Kids love this bigfeature, that's the streaks
kids. Basically, you send apicture back and forth to
somebody every day. And thelonger you do that, every day

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you do it, you get one point. Soyou get kids who have streaked
each other for two or threeyears, and they have these huge
streaks, that becomes highlyaddictive to them to make sure
they keep their streaks going.

Yeah, let me just say about that really quick that
streak technology is a very bigpersuasive design element in
Snapchat. And what that meansis, the tech companies are
obviously out there trying tokeep our kids eyeballs on their
apps, right. And so one way todo that is to give rewards. And

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so what you're talking about iswhen they when they Snapchat
every day, on a regular basis,without breaking the streak,
right without skipping a day.
They get rewards and the rewardsare just, they're just little
emojis. Right? I mean, it's,it's fascinating what kids will
do for an emoji. Ward. Yeah, andthe

rewards are basically they can show
everybody that they have 600Snap streak, which means they're
super faithful people to eachother. The other reward now
they've, they've kind of groupedit into your best friends, which
is who use snap streak the mostwith. And so there's all kinds
of little teeny things that kidsare just after, and they get
their little dopamine hit fromdoing these things. The streaks

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are so addictive that I've been,unfortunately had to take some
kids to jail. And on the way tojail, they want me to write down
their username and password sothat somebody else can keep your
streaks going,

boy is that a teenage brain at work, right?
They're not thinking about themost important thing right in
front of them, like they'regoing to jail, they're thinking
about saving their streaks.
That's crazy,

very addictive.
On Snapchat, it's it's thehidden technology that makes it
super popular. So if a kid wereto snatch a phone from from a
parent were to snatch a phonefrom a kid mid sentence, they
would get one sentence. Andthat's it, they don't get
everything else that'shappening, because it
automatically deletes. The otherfeature they have is their 24

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hour storyline. So you post apicture of what you're doing.
And it deletes in 24 hours. Soit stays current and relevant.
And you don't have a lot offrill to go back through like
you would on Facebook, Instagramand those kinds of things.

That also makes you want to have to do it all
the time, right? Because it'snot like you can can go back and
see what people are doing. Ifyou don't post it in 24 hours,
whatever, it's gone. And thennow I gotta do it again. Right?

Correct. Now you got to do it again, you there is
a way to post from your gallery.
But it puts a big, you know,from camera roll. So everybody
knows it's not a currentpicture. Some of the other
features that kids like is if aphone if a phone is taken by a
parent, when the kid logs into adifferent phone, or secondary
phone, backup phone, or whateverit is, it logs the parent out of

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the phone that they have. Sothere's no way for them to see
incoming messages or anythingthat's happening. Purposely has
multiple security features thatare helpful for kids versus
parents.

Right. So it's basically working against the
parents all the way around.

Absolutely. And parents don't understand this. I
get parents who say well, Idownloaded chap, Snapchat, and
I'm friends with my kids so Ican see what they're doing.
Well, here's another featuremost people don't know about is
the kids can actually mute theparents. So even though the
parents can see that the kidsare on Snapchat, and they can
kind of see what they're doingon the parent. The kid just goes

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to the user, mutes the parent,and the parent sees what the
kids want them to see exactly.
And nothing more.

Wow. Oh, you know what? I think there's so many
people that just heard you saythat, that didn't know that. I
mean that that may change somelives right there. So you're
being filtered out as a parentso you think that you're keeping
up with what your kids are doingon it even though I think that's
even a myth because I don't knowafter one day how you can really
keep up with what they're doing.
But but not only that is youthink you are but then you're

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actually getting muted. Soyou're only seeing parts and
pieces. Wow. Yeah, you're seeingexactly

what If your kid wants you to see, and one of the
other features I put on myFacebook page all the time that
surprises parents is thatthere's a secret vault built
into Snapchat. And parents haveno idea about the secret vault.
And even if they try and get in,they don't have the pin because
kids usually have that passcodeit was something the parents
can't get.

Right. So they don't even know to even know
what they don't know. They don'tthey don't know there's a secret
vault, they don't know they'regetting muted. Even for the
parents who are trying reallyhard. Isn't that sad? Even the
parents who are really trying tostay on top of it, they're not
they're not staying on top ofit.

It's tough, because parents are basically
giving private time to adultswith their kids.

Yeah, talk about that. I know. You also said it
was easy to find in by drugsthrough Snapchat, how does that
work?

Well, through drugs that my bigger schools
that I've worked at the kidspost drugs for sale on their 24
hour timeline, or the local drugdealer will put on their 24 hour
timeline. So the kids can seeactive drugs for sale right now.
And usually the drug dealerswill deliver right to the school
playground, anywhere, and it'ssuper easy.

And they can't get caught because it just keeps
disappearing.

It keeps disappearing and are all the law
enforcement agencies are verybehind just like the parents
are, they're just way behind onwhat's going on. So they don't
even try the law enforcement ingeneral does not like change.
They like to do things the sameway all the time, because that's
what keeps them kind of safe.
This new world we have to adaptand overcome these things.

Yeah, well, social media changes all the
time. And all these apps changeall the time. But what Snapchat
can do today is very differentfrom what it could do, you know,
even four or five years ago,right? So they, they keep
changing algorithms, they keepchanging all the functions, but
our kids know exactly what it isbecause kids are pretty good
with change. You know, all theydo is just tell each other Oh,

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this is a new thing. Okay. Andby lunchtime, they all know how
to do it.

Yes, I tell parents kids have 24/7 tech
support

each other? Yes.
And they get

tips from all over the world, how to
circumvent things, how to usethings against parents. And they
do it well, because it's theirwhole life. They are addicted.

Yeah, it's what they live for. And it's where
they're finding all theiridentity. Now, the other one
thing here that you talkedabout, is the ability to send
and hide nudes. Explain how thisworks.

Okay. So when you send when when a young person
sends a new to another youngperson, when that person gets
it, if they screenshot it, itwill tell the sending person
that they got it,

so they can screenshot it, they can. So
Okay, listen to this parents, ifyou're, if your child doesn't,
and you can think, Okay, well,they made a very bad judgment
call and that one split secondof time. And they did that, but
I'm okay because because it'sgoing to delete but know, what
you're saying is you canactually take a screenshot, and
now the person knows that youtook a screenshot, right? That's

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fascinating technology, theyknow that you actually took a
screen shot at the pitcher thatyou just sent. But then now what
happens now now you've got thenew that's on, that's permanent.

That's everywhere, and it stops being
traded around everything. Andthese news can come back to bite
kids, you know, 10 years later,20 years later, 30 years later,
once it's on the internet, it'snot coming back. It's like
trying to unscramble an egg toget it back. It's going to show
up again and again and again.

So, okay, just to review really quick. So Snapchat
is the most popular one of themost, if not the most popular
apps that kids are using,because they can delete their
post, they can use filters thatare really fun. So that draws
them in keeping up theirstreaks. That keeps them all
glued to this thing because theydon't want to break you know,

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they don't want to skip it andthen have to start all over.
They can hide a lot informationfrom parents, they have a 24
hour storyline. They're loggingin Oh, yeah. To a secondary
phone in order to log parentsout basically, or do just
purposely keep them from seeingthings because they can mute
parents. They have secret vaultsand Snapchat, it's easy to find
and buy drugs. They're onSnapchat, they can send nudes I

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don't see anything good yetabout Snapchat, I cannot figure
out why unless parents like melike myself years ago with my
oldest son just aren't educated.
I think the main reason thatparents do this is so their kids
won't be left out. I'm assumingthat's what you hear from

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parents.
Let's talk about why parentsrisk this.

So in my this is an opinion as I have no numbers
for it. But I ask lots ofparents all the time I put polls
up on my Facebook page. Peerpressure for parents right there
they feel peer pressure justlike kids feel peripheral feel
peer pressure. Everybody elsehas it and they feel bad having
their kid be the only one that'snot having it and the kid will

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come home complaining abouttheir The only one that doesn't
have it, the teachers are usingSnapchat for school programs,
which, unfortunately is true.
And the parents will opt out.
The second reason they haveSnapchat is because parents use
it as a babysitting tool, right?
I mean, old school days, aparent would put in Barney 127
times for kids to watch thehalfwords on hours. Now it's

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eight, you can give a kid aphone with Snapchat, and you
won't hear a peep out of themfor you know, the next seven or
eight hours, they are just stuckto the screen.

It just is endless novel images. That's
what's drawing them in. So nooffense, we're not trying to
throw parents under the bus. Butwhat you're saying is, from your
perspective and your view, beingthere, boots on the ground on
the front lines, you see thatparents really, really just get

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a lot of pressure from eachother. And they use it as a
babysitting tool. And I knowfrom all the work I do, that
parents are exhausted, it's sohard to manage everything that
comes at them. Right. So they'retired of arguing with their kids
about it. And I'm sure, OfficerGomez, you have heard the best

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arguments from the mostargumentative teenagers and that
we've ever heard, right? Thatyou've a lot of experience,
listening to how teenagers canstate their case and make their
arguments like a good attorney.
And it is exhausting.

It is them. The kids make some great arguments.
But I mean, one of the biggestones is fear of missing out,
right? The kids say, Hey, I'mmissing out on everything that's
happening at my school, I'mmissing out on everything that's
happening in my neighborhood.
Nobody hangs out with me,because I don't know what's
happening. I don't get includedin the all these groups because
I don't know what's happening.
That is what they use againstparents. And to some degree,

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they're right. But you know, inanother aspect is, they're not
missing out because they'reoutside doing things. They're
meeting people that are seeingthe whole world they live in.
Where's everybody on phonesisn't seeing anything?

Yeah, and your point, there is it just, Oh, I'm
just so glad you said that.
Because when I look at our kids,you know, the younger two, and
even my daughter, so really, ourlast three kids did not have
social media, they did not haveSnapchat. And one of the biggest
arguments that we heard all theway through their school years,
they were rising seniors now wasthat they weren't going to have

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any friends, they're going to beleft out. And if I could just
convince the parents that arelistening, that is a myth. That
is not true. Kids who do nothave social media find very
healthy ways to be social. Theyhave lots of friends, one of my
kids this summer, just last twoweeks ago planned for a group to

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go to a local concert here. Andhe bought 16 tickets, because he
could buy him in blocks ofeight. And so he bought two
blocks of eight. And I askedhim, you know, are you gonna
have any trouble finding enoughkids to go with you? And he
said, Oh, no, no, no, I've gotabout 20 people that want to go,
I only have 16 tickets. So we'regonna see what happens. And I'm
like, wow, how many kids reallyknow, 20 kids that would

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actually go with them to aconcert. You know, I don't think
many kids do. But our kids know,so many kids through all their
different activities that theydo, they are so social, they are
not left out. And they havereally become the social leaders
planning activities. And they'redoing it all without a

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smartphone, they pick up thephone, they call their friends.
And that's why they have goodfriends, because they're picking
up the phone. And they'recalling them they're meeting
them out. They're constantlyhaving friends over at our
house. So this fear of missingout. I know that it's a big fear
for parents. In fact, we panicwhen we think that our kids are
going to get left out ofsomething. But like we have said

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before, it's okay for your kidsto get left out of some things,
you've got to decide what youwant them included in and you
have to decide as their parentcoach, what you want them to be
left out of. And I think evenafter this few minutes here
discussing Snapchat, Idefinitely don't want my kids
included in Snapchat, I neverwill. And I think that parents
need to realize that you taketwo paths, there's I mean, you

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take one of two paths. Eitheryou go down the virtual path,
and your kids get included inall the stuff that you really
don't want them included becauseit doesn't let me with your
values or you go, you know, doornumber two, which doesn't
include all that. And it doesline up with your values and
they have tons of friends. Soit's really Who do you want to
get left out from right. I thinkthat's what we have to evaluate.

Absolutely.
Absolutely. What the familyvalues thing would always tell
parents is how many hours a weekdo you spend teaching your kids
family values? versus how muchhours a week a kid learn
traveling? Have you fromSnapchat, if they're learning
family values from fat fromSnapchat for five to 10 hours a
day, versus you have a one hourconversation with them once a
week, I know where their valuesare going to be.

Yeah, you can't help it. And it's just like,
with my kids and their baseball,like I said, In the beginning of
the podcasts, you know, I justlook at this investment, you're
making an investment, they'regoing to be better baseball,
because they play a lot ofbaseball, period. I mean, it's
just wherever you put your time,is, who you become. And it's how

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you values play out. So you'reexactly right, if they are
spending more time with theirparents, they're gonna have
those values. And I'm not sayingthat kids don't need to have
friends they do. But parents outthere, you've got to realize
that they are not capable, theyare not mature enough to pick
these friends. And once you openthat door to Snapchat, and these

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other apps that are out there,you've lost every ability to be
able to manage that and to toguide them. Because you've
opened the door. Now they'rethere, they're out. They're out
in the virtual world, seeing anddoing all the things that what
officer Gomez just said, wecan't we think we're seeing it,

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and we we can't see it. I thinkthe other reason why parents
allow Snapchat is simply becausethey don't understand it, I've
got to believe that that's oneof the biggest reasons they just
don't understand. They don'tknow what they don't know. So
they're scared of their kidsbeing left out. I get that. But
I also think they don't knowwhat Snapchat is.

Yeah, it's tough.
And, you know, unless you pickit up and use it yourself, it's
tough to know. And one of thethings I suggest to parents is
get a little parent grouptogether, download Snapchat,
Snapchat each other, look at thedifferent things that you can
see, look at how things work,and understand how it works
before you give it to your kid.
So that you know what's goingon. But many parents don't have

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time for that. And you know,they some parents don't even
want to know what's going on.
It's like, Hey, I'm just gonnaput my blinders on. Everybody
else has it, they're living,we're just going to take the
risk.

Yeah. And I had that happen. Three years ago,
one of the friends that we have,the mom sat down with me, and
she was she had her her iPhone.
And she said, Okay, I want youto show me how to change all
these settings. So I can be morediligent with monitoring what my
son is doing. And so, you know,I kind of kind of roll my eyes

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because you know where this isgoing, right? Because anytime
you try to lock down on iPhone,it just doesn't work, you have
to just realize that when youhand over an iPhone or any kind
of smartphone, it's just,they're gonna beat you at this
game. They're going to find outhow to get around everything.
But I was trying to show her howto do the passwords and how to
set the restriction code and allthe different layers that you
can do. And I'm not kidding.

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Officer Gomez, it was 30seconds, it was 30 seconds into
this conversation. And she justlooked at me and she said, I
can't do I can't do that. I giveup. I give up. And I was so sad,
because that is what'shappening. I think parents are
throwing the towel in. And hopefor a mom, I mean, there's no
way i i can manage it. You know,I know that I know my limits. I

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know I can't manage. I didterrible job with my first
child, which is why we're doingit very different. And but I'm
here to tell you that when youtake these elements out of their
life, when they are teenagers,when they're going through these
middle school and high schoolyears, your life is so much
easier, their life is so muchhealthier, they do not need it
in high school, they just flatdon't need it, they're going to

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have plenty of friends. It isamazing what happens when you
take that crutch away, likeSnapchat, and then they start
filling your time with in persongatherings and get togethers
with their friends because theydo need friends. They do need to
belong, but you get to decidewho they belong to. And by

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handing this over, you know,your right parents. They they're
exhausted. They don't. Theydon't know. What about all the
apps out there that say thatthey filter the other apps, you
know, the programs that say theyfilter? I mean, is there a
program out there that reallycan filter what's happening on
Snapchat? I don't think there is

there's no one that can filter when it happens
on Snapchat. There's a fewprograms out there that will
upload screenshots every fiveseconds of what's going on on
Snapchat, but they can't filterit.

You're they're gonna see it and then you're
just gonna see what they saw.
Yep. So then stop them fromseeing it

correct. I mean, you'll see what they saw and
then you'll you're you're doinga lot of firefighting instead of
prevention ahead of time so thatthey don't see it at all.

You know, the damage is already done at that
point in my book. I mean, ifthey're if they're gonna I mean,
I'm glad that maybe a parentgets to see what their kids saw,
but, but the damage is alreadydone. They've already seen it.

Yes. And what a lot of parents don't understand
is every time the phone does anupdate, whether it's Android or
Apple, all these third partyapps have to do catching up,
right, because they're notworking conjunction with each
other, these third party apps,every time there's an update,
now, they have to rewrite theirsoftware to be able to monitor.
And there's always holes in thesoftware. And there's always

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updates that need to be made. Soyou're not catching things. And
some monitoring applications aregreat this week. But next week
after the update to the phone,they're not so great, and they
have this missing or thatmissing. And it's just a never
ending battle that you're goingto lose, right, you're going to
lose that as a parent.

Now, there's no way that you can win that
battle. I remember years ago,trying to figure this all out,
we used to have workshops, wherewe had parents that would come
to the workshops, they wouldbring their phones, and even
some of them would bring theirkids phones and we would all sit
there and tell each other how tolock everything down and how to
set the parental controls. Andthen the next week, we would
meet again, and everybody wouldcome back. And they would say,

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well, he got out of that. And hegot out of that. And he got out
of that. And she got out ofthat. And so now we're like, oh,
and that's when I quit doingthose workshops, because I
realized that there is no waywhat you just said is really
true. There's no way we can stayup with that. And so it doesn't
mean that we get discouraged andthrow the towel in and just hand

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our kids all this stuff. What itmeans is that we hit the pause
button, we say, No, we're goingto, we're going to stick to a
gap phone, we're going to stickto a top text phone, you don't
need all this technology. And wealways say that if you want to
have like an Instagram accountfor your family, or a Facebook
group or something, go ahead anddo that. And you know, the Smith
family Instagram, and it's onmom's phone, and every now and

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then if the kids want to look atit, they can look at it under
your supervision. And that's allthey need. They do not need
their own apps. And I hope thateverybody's still remembering
what we talked about thebeginning of the show. And if
you have this idea in your headthat 13 is the best age for an
app. Or maybe you think Well,that's what the law says that
they have to be 13. So whenthey're 13, somehow they deserve

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this or they're mature enough,or that's not true. That is
based on very, very wronginformation. It's not true. But
But officer Gomez, we know thatthere. There's a bunch of
biases, like you just alluded tothat you know that parents have
their blind spots, right. Andone of the biggest biases out

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there is what's called ananchoring bias. And what that
bias is, it means that the firsttime you hear something is the
thing that you're probably gonnastick with the most, because
it's very hard to undo somethingafter you hear it for the first
time. So there's a lot ofparents out there so that for

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the first time, I mean, whatthey heard was 13. Right, they
heard that. So that's in theirbrain, and they think 13 is when
their kids should be gettingthis. But that's an anchoring
bias. It's false. It's not true.
It's just really hard to an dofalse information. And that's
what we're trying to do atScreenStrong. What you're trying
to do is educate parents and butpart of the reason why we have

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such a hard time with that, andI speak from my own experience,
personally, with my own biasesthat I have as well, we all have
them. But it's really hardbecause the first time you do
something or hear something orread something is what you tend
to believe. The other thing thatyou were talking about in your
Facebook group was the otherthing that parents are
struggling with is they don'twant their kids to be different

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from other kids. So they don'twant them to get left out. But
they also don't want them to bedifferent. The other thing you
said that they trust their kids,right? So you know, the whole
not my kids. So talk aboutreally why we really don't need
to trust teenagers like we lovethem, and we need to love them
dearly. But talk about this ideaof trust. How does that fit in?

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Because I could say to you,Officer Gomez, I could say why I
trust my 13 year old she's neverlies to me and I trust what
she's doing. And then what doyou say to the parent when you
know on the other end of thegame that she's not doing
trustworthy things?

Just once you start Snapchat, you are getting
desensitized, you're gettingdesensitized, to pornography, to
bullying, to sex, to drugs toall kinds of things. And they
spend so much time there thatafter a while it's hardly even
your kid anymore if you're notspending all this time, but I
get lots of parents that I trustmy kid or I want my kid to have
privacy there. I don't want to,you know, interject myself

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overly and I don't want to be anoverbearing parent. But this is
a safety thing. It's not atrust. It's not a privacy. It's
a safety. And there are millionsof adults that are waiting for
parents to give young childrenphones because the predators
know that those phones are inentryway into a kid's bedroom

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where they can groom them. Youknow, it takes hours, weeks,
sometimes even groomers will useit over years, they'll groom
kids, but at some point that kidwill be ready to go against what
their parents taught thembecause they think they know
better they think they know,they're smarter, they have a
better grasp on social media,and they don't.

How does a predator use Snapchat to groom a
kid

on Snapchat though, usually they will
private message them and a lotof predators, I always tell
parents that, you know, five outof five predators recommend
Snapchat, wow. But those juststarted discussion with them,
right. And usually thediscussion starts going to, they
get an emotional tie to the kidright away, you know, either the

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delicate hey, look, nobodyunderstands you, like I do, or
the predator will usethemselves, hey, look, I have a
hard life, or depressed all thetime and talking to you makes me
feel better. You're doing agreat job of helping the world
because I feel better now thatyou're talking to me, they make
the kid feel valuable, they makethem feel like they're needed.
And then they just startgrooming through those Snapchat

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messages. And those messages areautomatically deleted, the kid
doesn't have to do anythingmore, the predator doesn't have
to do anything more. ThePredator sends a message the kid
reads it, it deletes and there'syou don't have to manually
delete, it just automaticallydeletes. So predators, no,
they're safe. From a lawenforcement perspective. I can't
even subpoena that informationfrom Snapchat, so that when I

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get a subpoena, to try and getthat information on predator,
the private messages back andforth, I don't get that I get
group chats, I get some IPaddresses, I get some geo
locations, but I don't get thosemessages back and forth. So that
is beyond law enforcement, eventhat Snapchat has gone. So not
only are they against parents,they're also against law
enforcement being able to trackdown a kid that has been

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kidnapped or being sextortion.
And or being sex trafficked.
It's often

see there could be a predator, snapping your kid
for two months. And as a parent,and you like what you're saying,
as law enforcement officer,there's no way you can even see
what all that was. So all theseinfluences can be happening in
your kids lives and in you maybe the most, you know, well
meaning parent out there. But ifthe police can't even get to it,

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there's no way you're gonna getto it. That's unbelievable. So
is it just gone off the planetor isn't really there and they
just aren't giving it to youwhen you subpoena? This isn't
really literally gone.

So it's gone from Snapchat, the predators have it
steal it, but Snapchat does notSnapchat does not keep that
information. So and that's theway they get her on. Police
says, hey, look, we give youeverything we have, they
literally don't have all thepictures back and forth. The bad
guys do not have the bad guys,because they save it. They save

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it. So on Snapchat, and a lot ofkids have a false security of
hey, all know if they screenshotmy naked picture. And they
didn't because it didn't send mea notification. But what the bad
guys do is they use a secondphone and just take a picture of
the first phone. It doesn't sendback a message. They're also a
third party applications thatsave all the Snapchat pictures

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as well without letting thesender know that it was
recorded.

And I've been thinking out over the years of a
lot of different things. But youknow what? I didn't even think
about the fact that you can takea second phone, of course you
can and just take a picture ofwhat's on the first one.

Yep, super simple. That's the easy, easy
way to do it. Most of

these hacks really are really simple. I
think parents feel a sense ofconfidence because they feel
like their kid will never figurestuff out. When really, it's
some of the most simple thingsout there. I know one parent
told me that she finally figuredout how our kids were getting
around their router. Their Ithink it was a Disney circle or
something that they had gotten.
And the kid had just simplyunplugged it. I mean, really,

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how brutal how brilliant. Simpleis that? Can you throw in here?
I don't know if you can or not.
But just from your experience,can you throw in a couple ways
that kids work around? I won'tsay hack because parents don't
like to think their kids arehackers. But they are but um how

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do they work around theseParental Control kind of
restrictions and passwords and,and limits and stuff that
parents tried to set what aresome of the most basic things
just in general like for aniPhone.

So some of the most basic things, the number
one easiest thing to get aroundis the sleep time where parents
put the phone to go off at 9pmand turn on at 7am The kids
would just change the timezoneas the night goes on. So the
timezone on their phone nevershows 9pm So they can use their
phone forever. The timerestrictions on you can use
Instagram for an hour so thekids will delete Instagram at

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the 58 minute mark redownload itand the timer starts again. The
kids will also hand their phoneto a parent to enter the
password so that they candownload something and the kid
has screen record on their phoneso that they can see everything
the parent puts in. Now Appletried to stop that but there's
third party programs that willstill screen record so that they

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can see the password.

What does that mean real quick screen record
they're actually recording Ilike a video what's happening on
the screen, like a

video of everything that's going on on
the screen. So that's an onscreen record to go to the app,
they want to download mom, dad,and it's usually a legitimate
app, I need this math programfor school, the parents like
looks at it. Okay, that looksgood. And they enter the
password in so that the kid candownload it. While the kid has
recorded that password, rightand there's Geo, they can change
their, their locations on theGPS, they can install new

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software, which they call itjailbreaking the phone, which
means install new software thatthe parent can't know what's
happening. On Android phones,you can actually start the phone
in soft in safe mode, so thatyou get to pick what comes on on
the phone, and parent monitorseasily to check off that it's
not going to start super easy.
And we'll have that problem withthe Chromebooks at the school.

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The kids figure out how ways toget around all our parental
controls that we have at theschool on school systems. And
parents always think well, youguys have to guarantee that this
is safe. No, we can't guaranteethat those Chromebooks are safe,
they are not safe. And kidsfigure out ways around them all
day long.

What's an example of that the same kinds of things
as far as how they get aroundthe Chromebook,

same kind of things. They can start the
Chromebook in safe mode, theycan also VPN through the school
firewall. So now they're notusing the school firewall, which
has our filters, they can, forexample, I know sometimes when
you go in through Yahoo, or adifferent browser that the
school doesn't use, too, thenyou don't have those things to
check. They also send each otherlinks through your messenger

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that allows them to get throughthe school system. So there's
all kinds of ways around thesethings. The only way you're
really going to fix this isparental monitoring, you have to
you have to look over the goodshoulder, you have to know
what's happening. Make surethey're using computers and
screens in a central location inthe house. No electronics in the
bedroom, ever for any reason.

And for those y'all who don't know, a VPN is a
virtual private network. Andit's a another server, in
essence, right? So you can jumpout of where you are and go over
to a whole nother server and dowhatever you want over there.
And I know many schools thatjust they try to block the VPN,
but there are new ones every dayand they can't block on.

Yeah, another interesting one I saw was that
when the parents shut off therouter at night, one of the kids
actually hotspot it into theinternet through mom's flip
phone that was on her bedsidetable.

So the moral of story is, you're not going to be
able to chase that fly aroundthe room. I mean, there's no way
you're, you're used, I thinkevery parent just needs to put
that to rest in their brain thatif you allow internet device
that you just have to assumethat your kid is going to be
able to get to everything on theinternet. I know one thing that

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I heard was through using GoogleTranslate. So are you familiar
with with that method ofactually going through Google
Translate, because GoogleTranslate is actually a VPN, and
they can use it as a VPN. Butyou can also type in certain
words, whatever words and sexualwords or anything that your

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monitor, maybe would would, youknow, stop on your end. But if
it comes in a differentlanguage, then it will go to
that those same adult sites, forexample, but you weren't
searching porn, you weren'tsaying the word porn? You were
using different words indifferent languages,

right? So kids, kids will also use corn for
porn. They'll use band for gunthat with all the filters, don't
catch it.

But then it still comes up. Yep. Yeah, this is
what I'm so frustrated about allthese parental control apps that
everybody puts all their faithin. And it's so frustrating
because it they don't work. AndI'm not saying that you
shouldn't have parental controlapps, but or services, but they
just don't work. And I havefound just exactly what you're
saying that CO viewing beingpresent is really the only way

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to make this work. And we whatwe ended up doing on our kids
laptops, they have, we haveMicrosoft families installed,
it's free. Every server has somekind of free thing installed.
And what we do is we just don'tallow anything, but only we go
back and allow only the sitesthat we want them to access. And

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that does help a lot. Instead ofsaying, well, here, you're gonna
have the whole internet and thenwe're going to not let you go to
this, this and this, we say, No,we're gonna lock down the
internet. And we're only goingto let you have these 10 sites
for your school if you need asite. That's okay, let us know
and we'll approve it. But thatseems to work a lot better. I
agree with you totally that COviewing is the only way so how

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is that? How do you feel aboutthat being like to over
protecting or over controllingor all these other things that I
hear from parents? They don'twant to be the helicopter
parent?

No, I tell them you have to do everything you
can to be safe. So imaginesafety in a car. If you Make
sure that your kids haveseatbelts on does that make them
safe in a car? No, it makes themsafer. But you're not completely
safe. You, you got to worryabout speed, you got to worry
about distractions, you have toworry about friends in the car,
you have to worry about otherdrivers. Are you ever going to

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catch all of them? No, but theones you do know how to catch.
Let's catch them. Let's put theseatbelt on every time. Let's
create a three second followingdistance. We know kids are still
going to be unsafe in cars. Butwe want to be an example. And we
want them to use the safetymeasures we know how to use
which are easy, yes, they'llstill find ways to be dangerous.

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But let's minimize those ways asmuch as possible.

Right, you're minimizing the risk. And that is
your job as a parent, by theway, your job is not to put as
many risks and temptations infront of your kids and then see
if that will help them overcomethe risk and temptations. And we
know from our medical studies,that the closer you are to a
temptation, the more likely youare to succumb to that

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temptation, what our job asparents, it should be to keep
our kids far away from that,because keeping them close to
it. This is a big myth thatparents think, Well, I gotta
learn how to use it one day?
Well, yes, they do. And theywill when their brain is more
mature. I'm sure officer Gomezthat you you have not had this
same exact problem with parentsabusing their phone the way kids

(46:20):
abuse their phone, becauseparents are adults. And their
brain has been, you know,obviously more mature, and they
don't do certain things on theinternet. Now some do. And we do
have criminals out there that doof course, but the average adult
would never think to do thething that a kid thinks to do.
And that's because of theirwisdom and maturity. And kids

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are not there yet. So we keepthinking we're going to train
them to use it well. And I thinkthat's a big pothole. For
parents. It's quicksand I do, Ithink you need to talk about it
a lot. Like we do with our kids,they know all about the
internet. They know all aboutsocial media, they know all
about Snapchat, they know allabout violent video again. But
they're they just don't usethem. But it doesn't mean that

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they don't know about it. Yousee, that difference is really
important. And I think you aremaking it even more clear that
there's not a lot that parentscan do to make all this stuff
safe. And and like I said, Iwould just add that you by
giving it to your kids, you'renot helping them learn to use it
better. Would you agree withthat or not?

Absolutely. I agree with it. Right? It's like,
again, are you going to trainyour kid to drive well enough
that they don't need their seatbelt? No, you're not. You're not
going to train them and passthis, you're not going to drive
this the same way. Right? Hey,well, if I supervise their drug
use, they won't get out ofcontrol and don't know how to
use drugs.

That's a great example. I mean, why don't we
start teaching them how to realjoints right now in middle
school. So they'll learn how todo that? Well, that's a really
bad idea, right? I mean, theycan still learn about joy. I
mean, we still talk about, butwe're not going to give them
access to the thing that'shurting them. Just like we don't
give kids the keys to the car.
Even when they're 18 to go drivean 18 Wheeler around the big

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interstate, that's a really badidea. They need a lot more
maturity for that. It's a goodtool, but not for kids. And
honestly, I don't see anythinggood about Snapchat, I am so
glad that you came on today tohelp us understand this a little
bit more I know that Snapchatleads to and research really
suggests that it does lead to alot of anxiety and depression,

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because they get so immersed init. And obviously, you just
pointed out all these otherreasons why they had poor sleep
habits. We didn't even talkabout that. As we wrap up,
though, we've got to mentionthat you were very clear on
phones not being any screensreally in the bedroom because
kids aren't sleeping enough. Andwe know when they don't get
enough sleep. Their guard goesdown. And I imagine would you

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agree, I don't know. predatorscome out at night still. I mean,
is that really when kids arelittle, a little sleep deprived?
Isn't that a good way to get tohim?

It's a good way to get to him anytime. But what
the real advantage of nighttimeis, the parents aren't there to
watch and know what's happening

to know what's going on. And then you've got
the body image issues, the cyberbullying that you talked about,
you know, I hate this fear ofmissing out I wish we would just
all get together and say youknow what, we want our kids to
miss out of the stuff that'shappening on social media and
it's okay if they miss out andwe have really personally in our
home, have trained our kidsreally to be different and to be

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okay with that. And and as wewrap up, talk a minute about the
one post where you were talkingabout values. I love what you
said because it lines upperfectly with the ScreenStrong
code and everything that webelieve that you gotta teach
your kids to respect to havegratitude, to not bully in this
family to do a lot of familyactivity. But the last thing you

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said was to teach them not to beoffended. I love That statement
that you may talk about that aminute, a huge detriment

to society is that everybody is offended by
everything and kids at theschool. They've learned through
social media through parents tobe offended by everything. And
they almost look around and havethis little checklist. Whenever
anybody says anything, can I beoffended? Can I be offended?
Now, when I get a kid in my roomwho feels like they're being
bullied or offended? I alwaysask them well, who controls your
thoughts and emotions? Andthey're always say, Well, I do.

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I'm like, Well, no, if you'regoing home, and you're crying,
and you're upset, and you'rethinking about this other person
all day, they're controllingyour thoughts and emotions. And
I would say you need to controlyour own thoughts and emotions.
And you can stand up for thingswithout being offended by him. A
lot of people mix those two up.
So you can't just let somebodysay something, you have to be
offended in order to make act.
No, you don't. You can stand upfor yourself, you can stand up

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for your values for what'sright, without being offended.
And oh, my goodness, many peopleare offended in every way,
shape, and form. And they feellike, they feel like the more
offended they are, the moreright they are, which one has
nothing to do with the other.

Wow, that's fascinating. It's that victim
mentality, right?

Yep. And in our the rule in our house, whenever
we take in bonus kids, or youknow, high risk kids is we
cannot be offended by meremortals. And we just start from
there, and we start building avalue system that doesn't allow
for being offended.

Wow, that's just blowing my mind. I mean, what a
concept that is fabulous. Andthat is so laced into our screen
strong, I can keep going back tothat, but But it's laced into
our core values, because we wantto teach our kids how to stand
out how to be different, how todevelop life skills, and build
their autonomy, that way how toprioritize these authentic

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relationships and build healthyfamilies and just you're gonna
have to eliminate the toxicscreens in order to do it. I
don't see how you can do it.
When you have this in their faceall day long. I just don't see
how it works. I don't think youcan have Snapchat, I don't think
you can have all these things,and still have a healthy balance
with with everything else. Idon't think that you balance

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toxic things or activities arethat we balanced the good
things. How can we end today, Iwant to end on a positive note.
So can you share just for theparents listening? Okay, so
officer Gomez, we have peopleout there that my heart just
goes out to my heart is so heavyfor parents that are right in

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the middle of this, let's saythey have a 13 or 14 year old
and they've been on Snapchat fora year and the parents are
getting ready to go through thedetox. We have a detox on our
site. We have a wonderful parentcourse on our site now that
parents can get a small grouptogether, they can all learn
this stuff together. They canbuild their tribe and and I want
to always say there's hope. Butwhat do you say the parent who
is devastated right now she'sjust listening, or the dad is

(52:46):
listening. And they're like, oh,my gosh, we had no idea. We've
let our 13 year old havesnapchat we let but now they
believe a 15 year old and she'sbeen on Snapchat for two years.
And we're seeing all thesewarning signs and all these
symptoms. What do we do? How canyou encourage them?

Number one, don't look at as long journey we got
to take one step at a time,right? It's a big long
staircase, one step today,right, just take one step
forward, let's fix this. Let'sfix it as a family. Let's take
it as an opportunity to betterour family to better our family
values. And to basically takeadvantage of this wonderful

(53:24):
family that you have, you justhave to correct a few things.
And that's like everything elsein life. I mean, there's some
big challenges, you got to startone step at a time. And if you
do this and do it correctly, youwill win. And you'll come out at
better stronger family, you'llteach your kids how to be better
parents in the end. Because thisis not that your kid is broke

(53:45):
this is that your family justneeds a correction. And many
people have done it many peoplehave done it successfully, and
have come out on top of thingson the other end because I mean
overcoming challenges that'sthat's part of life. This is a
challenge just like everythingelse. Let's let's face it head
on. Let's figure this out as afamily as if as a team. And

(54:06):
let's teach our kids some somevalues of some fixing. So that
when they are challenged bywhatever is next in your
grandkids lives are the greatgrandkids lives. They know how
to overcome a challenge. You aregoing to set the example by
fixing this problem

and just providing this incredible
leadership for your kids. Well,I'm gonna put you on the spot.
Do you believe it's fine forkids to go through high school
without social media?

Absolutely.
Absolutely. Parents will saythat they don't want their kids
to grow up without technologybecause then they'll be slower
at jobs and stuff where theyneed technology. And that is
totally untrue. Kids can learnand adapt so quickly that they
will figure out technology. Imean, look at me, I didn't grow
up with any technology and Iwill out Snapchat almost anybody
and I don't even use it all thatoften. Yeah, I would rather

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parents teach kids skills likeyou know, being kind of being
gracious. You know some mendinners at school, because those
are the ones that are going tobe much harder for them to learn
at the job if they don't havethem, versus learning how to use
a screen is much easier later ondown the road.

Well, and it only takes a few minutes to learn how
to use any of this stuff. So Iand I love like what you just
alluded to, and you said,without technology, our kids
today everybody's grown up withtechnology and technology is
fine. But there are the certainelements like we talked about
today, social media apps,especially even the violent
video games and things out therethat are not helping our kids at

(55:31):
all. And thank you forreassuring us that it is okay
for kids to grow up. Withoutthis. They do not need those
pieces of technology. We are nota screen free organization. We
believe that kids could havescreens for certain things that
they need to use in school, aslong as things are co viewed or
you watch a family movie nighton a Saturday all that's fine.
But they do not need asmartphone. They do not need

(55:55):
social media, and they certainlydo not need Snapchat. It's just
not necessary. And we've got tostart turning the tide on that
myth in your work is helpingeveryone do that, you know,
sometime, Officer Gomez, we justneed one other person to say
it's okay. So thank you forsaying it's okay.

Today, you're welcome. And I promise it is
okay. And kids will be just finewithout it.

And they'll even be better or they'll have
they'll be healthy. Or thank youso much for taking this time. It
always goes by so quickly. Butwe appreciate it so much. And I
just want to thank you inadvance here for all the lives
that you're going to help changeand the confidence that you gave
our audience today. Thank you somuch for coming.

You're very welcome. Thanks for having me,
as always.

So I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I
did. listening today, our parentonline course, like I said, is
available that is one call toaction that you can do if you're
fired up and you're ready to getyour tribe and your community
going. Go find some friends todo this course with you, your
kids do not need 100 friends,they only need a few other
friends that are going to beScreenStrong with them, you

(57:11):
might try the 30 Day Detoxsummer is a perfect time to do
it, take a vacation, come homeand just don't give them their
screens back. We do have ourcommunity. Our Facebook group is
ScreenStrong families. And likeI keep saying we are working on
a online forum for you to geteven more information from more
experts go ahead and make theswitch and get the gab phone. We

(57:32):
love the gap phone because it'svery basic. It's very simple.
Just talk and text that takescare of anything that your kids
might need us our code strongand you'll get a discount.
What's your homework? Um, Ithink your homework today is to
get rid of Snapchat. And if youwant to try to remove it, that's
another discussion becausethat's hard to do. Let me tell
you it is hard to remove thesethese apps sometime we think

(57:55):
we're deleting them. But theyare still in the phone and we
just could you delete the theapp doesn't mean it's all
totally deleted, your kid canget get right back into their
account is what I mean. The nextpart of your homework is to make
a list of a few friends thatwould enjoy this podcast and
actually give him a call. Youknow, don't just text him just

(58:18):
call him and say you know, Ijust listened to this podcast
today. You may be reallyinterested in this. We can't do
this mission with out yet and wecan't start this movement and
continue this movement withoutyou in the podcast is a perfect
way to get other people onboard. And the final thing I
want to remind you to do isinvite some of your kids over to

(58:38):
your house this week and justmake pizza or do something easy
with them have a game night.
Keep your eye on the ball. Youryour job as a parent coach is to
get to know your kids friends,give them more in person time
with their friends. And youmight have to start doing that
in the very beginning becauseit's really hard for them to do
that initially. Remember, we'vegot your back and we are here to

(58:59):
help you. So until next time,stand up for your kids stand out
from the crowd. Don't forget toget rid of Snapchat and stay
strong.

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