July 17, 2023 • 43 mins
Constantin's Podcast: Unleash Thyself
In this thought-provoking episode, Matt and Constantin dive deep into personal growth, self-discovery, and the power of mindset. They explore the concept of having a clear vision while being open to iterations and adjustments along the way. Drawing inspiration from philosopher Albert Schweitzer, they discuss the importance of continually learning and growing as human beings.
The conversation touches on the difference between a fixed mindset and a growth mindset, emphasizing the value of learning from past mistakes and practicing self-forgiveness. Constantin shares his approach of self-reflection and self-love, using techniques like meditation and journaling to gain clarity and release negative emotions. They discuss the significance of aligning goals with one's personal why and making choices that resonate with their mission.
While Constantin's podcast primarily features interviews with guests who share their experiences and insights, this episode highlights key themes that foster personal development and empower listeners to embrace their own journeys. From forgiveness to intention-setting, this conversation offers valuable perspectives on cultivating a growth mindset, making conscious choices, and creating a fulfilling life aligned with one's values and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is your day job?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I work for Microsoft, and specifically Microsoft
Canada, and I'm a technologyconsultant on their sales team
in Eastern Canada.
So I'm based in Halifax, novaScotia, and as part of my job I
cover four or five differentprovinces and the largest
customers we have out here, sogrocery stores and manufacturing
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and other beautiful industries.
And what I specialize in is allMicrosoft technology, from
hosting in the cloud toartificial intelligence, to
Microsoft teams and all theother modern workplace tools
that we have.
And in my day job I help peopleunlock the amazing capabilities
of this technology so then theycan have a better time of their
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work, spend more time withtheir kids, so they don't have
to work 12 hours a day andeverything that comes with that.
And that's essentially my dayjob Lots of meetings, lots of
presentations, lots ofconversations with C levels,
directors and project managers.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That is fascinating and I don't want to spend too
long on Microsoft, but the factthat you just said all this
about a week ago.
now, i've been a MicrosoftOffice 365 user for probably
five or six years, and justabout a week ago I got billed
again.
I got my bill and I was likewhat else does Microsoft have
(01:24):
now in five years?
something else had to havehappened besides just one drive.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So I went on and looked at all of the.
I can't even believe it's goingto take years to explore the
tools that were available to meas a Microsoft 365, or an Office
365 user.
I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Exactly, that's a challenge in itself, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that was cool and it's just interesting that you
work for Microsoft and youbrought that up when it happened
so recently.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's funny.
It's funny how that works Andthe artificial intelligence
stuff is what it said.
That's going to revolutionize alot of different areas of our
life And people are scared of it, of course, but at the same
time, people like myself theysee the true power of it.
It's okay, I can't wait.
I'm using a lot of AI in myday-to-day podcasting life and
(02:18):
the things I do outside of work,because it simplifies my day.
It essentially gives me timeback in the day that I didn't
have to begin with.
That's what the problem is?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That is absolutely yes.
Do you know?
I have this list of the.
I call it my KOPD kind ofperson.
I want to be document that Iread.
I read it to myself everymorning And I thought, if I
expound on, this could be a book.
Yesterday, in four hours.
Chatgpt, google Bard andMicrosoft's Bing all three of
(02:49):
those I used together, i wrote abook yesterday In one day, in
four hours.
Wow, in four hours I wrote a37,000 word, 166 page book.
That's impressive.
Now I still gotta go through andedit it and all of that.
But the power of thattechnology, like it knew what I
(03:11):
was asking.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I would give it one of the phrases and I'd say write
a blog.
I just use blog posts.
Write a blog post about thistopic.
Use my voice.
I fed it my voice, yeah.
And so just use my voice, andthere you go.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's impressive.
It's impressive, Matt.
And yeah, I've seen, I've heardthe people do it for books.
You're the first one, Ashley.
No, that has done us.
That's awesome.
But I use it for any type ofdrafts because, like you said,
you have to not only give itinputs but also take what it
gives you and then modify it tofit your messaging and fit your
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voice a bit better and clean itup.
But it gives you so much tostart with that you don't have
to waste hours looking at theblank screen.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Absolutely.
I'm a part of a group calledWrite Minds with Jacob McMillan.
He's a copywriter and heteaches people more about
copywriting And he's reallypushing artificial intelligence.
But one of the things that hesaid that was really cool about
like chat, gbt and those similarservices, where that you have
to treat it like a podcastinterview.
(04:17):
You treat it like you ask aquestion and then it gives you
an answer, and then you digdeeper and it gives you another
answer and you dig deeper andthen you get what you want, and
when I started doing that, itwas absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It is, and I use it for ideation a lot.
I fit my ideas and then I askyou to give me more ideas in the
same vein.
Right, like it's so many usecases that you can come up with,
and, for example, my show notes, everything I do with the show
notes I'm using and a technologythat uses AI, processes the
audio file and then spits out abunch of stuff, including social
(04:53):
media content.
I haven't used a social mediacontent as much as I should have
, but it's giving me timelines,it's giving me show notes, it's
giving me everything I need, andthen I clean them up a bit and
I put them up, so it saves mehours per episode.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, wow, nice, i might tap your brain about that
later.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I was happy to chat anytime.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I need to start saving some time on that.
So, through all of this,through your job at Microsoft,
at what point did you, was therea point where you found, like
some personal developmentconcept that just started you
off on the path that you'redoing right now, which is
empowering people and inspiringpeople?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, that should start right when I joined
Microsoft about six years agonow.
It's important to know that Iwas born in Eastern Europe
Romania, during the time of thecommunist era still, and I grew
up in that environment And inEastern Europe and many parts of
the world still.
It's more around of a fixedmindset.
Right, some mistakes are notaccepted, they're to be hidden,
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they're to be avoided at allcosts, and I carried that with
me when I moved to Canada when Iwas 17 and began studying here.
But I was always someone curiousand learning And I didn't
realize that there was somethingcalled fixed mindset and
something called growth mindset.
And it wasn't until I joinedMicrosoft that the culture of
Microsoft promotes growthmindset.
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So I started reading andlearning a lot more about it And
all of a sudden I'm like, wow,this is amazing And that's what
propelled me on an even biggerpersonal and professional growth
path, because all my life I'vedone that.
I've always been curious tolearn and learn.
But now I had a differentapproach to learning.
I was like, ooh, i can go backand do this, i can time and look
(06:34):
at let's call them mistakes orwhatever.
I fell down and learn from them, not try to bury them deep down
and ignore them.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Was it just something inside you that made you decide
that you wanted to share thisstuff?
Was there a big life changethat you had that made you
decide Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
so that's-.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I need, people need to know this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Great question.
There was a big life changelast year but, to be honest with
you, it's always been within me.
So whenever I learned somethingand I'm passionate about
something and there's manythings I get passionate about
and I've been over my life Ilove to share it with other
people.
And that started with meplaying soccer when I was very
young and then coaching peopleand mentoring people and putting
things together to computergames and to tutoring math and
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engineering in university and inhigh school, to, of course,
mentoring and coaching people inthe work environment.
And then last year what happenedwas about April I actually went
on a mental health retreat toEcuador, spent about three weeks
in nature and would like myindividuals, and that opened my
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eyes up to so much more like tohow life should be.
I was able to clear up a lot ofthings that I was unsure about,
and That was really the pivotalmoment in my life, because when
I came back, I came back with a?
I Reminding myself what life isabout Right, leading from a
place of love, which includesbeing more compassionate,
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empathic, considerate of people,and then also sharing and in
giving away Whatever you areaccumulating, beat Knowledge
right, like most of us haveknowledge, some resources,
giving helping people out, anyof the stuff.
So I would say, to answer yourquestion, the big moment was
last year about April, may.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, did it cause any changes in you, like
recognizable changes in yourmind or any, not necessarily
just last year, but over time,this stuff that you are teaching
people And yeah, before we getinto that, like, what kind of
changes has it had on youpersonally?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh my, so many changes, mad.
So the changes that come tomind right away is essentially
how I approach Every interactionright now, realizing that it
doesn't matter if you're acustomer of mine is someone I
just met for the first time.
Like you and I just met a fewminutes ago, i Want to treat you
the way I would like to betreated.
I want to come from a place oflove and not a place of fear,
(09:07):
meaning again beingcompassionate, being kind, being
empathic to the situation, andthat Went into my work life as
well as my personal life.
So that's been a big change Inon the personal side of things.
It put all things in perspectivehow I react, how I make choices
, realizing I have a choice.
(09:28):
To begin with, those areanother big a homo for me, when
I realized that Everything I doin life It's actually my choice.
Sometimes it doesn't appear theway because some outcomes of
certain choices are tough.
A good example Someone gave mea while back was you have a
choice if you want to pay taxesor not.
If you don't pay them, ofcourse, outcomes are unfavorable
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for the most part, but you havethe choice, or you have the
choice to move to a country thatdoesn't tax you, or a state or
a place in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
When I started on a personal development journey, it
started with some books andsome people, and so are there
any influences, specificallythat that are Attainable people,
a book that somebody can read,a seminar somebody can watch
besides going to the retreatthat you went to, an Ecuador
Which is not available toeveryone?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
exactly.
Oh, there's so much informationout there, like you said books,
podcasts like this one, videos,you name it.
The book that I picked up Veryearly in my career Microsoft's
about six years ago, when Ilearned about the growth mindset
and trying to understand myselfbetter, i'm finding my why, or
my purpose, was the book bySimon Sinek named find your why,
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or start with why.
That actually is a really goodbook in in getting to understand
why that's important and,secondly, how to find your why.
And That was big for me.
It wasn't a rapid process.
It took me a few iterations, ittook me a few years of working
with that and, like many otherresources that we consume as
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human beings, sometimes we getthe habit and I've been there
many times myself where you reada book, you like the book, but
then you don't actuallyimplement much of it, you don't
put in the work, and I've donethe many times in my life And
then once it really clicked forme that hey, i have to really
put in the work to see theresults.
That's when everything changed.
Is your why?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
something that you would like to share, absolutely
on the podcast.
What is the why that you cameup with?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, the why equal the why with my Or what I would
call my purpose in life as Iknow it right now, and I also
realize it's very fluid in thesense that it will evolve over
time as I grow as a person andas I understand myself better
And get to know myself better.
But my why starts with being inservice of others, and that
includes myself.
And then the mission itself, orthe purpose, is to inspire and
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empower people on this beautifullife journey.
That's it, that's my why.
And then how does that show upin my day-to-day life?
Because it's a question I get alot.
There's my personal life, myprofessional life and anything
in between.
If you have a strong why, onethat you believe in, then you
can apply that to everything youdo in life.
It doesn't matter what careeryou have, you can apply that.
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So in my case, microsoft.
I work with customers andco-workers and partners and
people all day long.
So if my goal is to inspire andempower people on this journey,
that means I have to come froma place of love.
That means I have to be aperson that I can't be.
I have to keep in mind that,hey, every interaction I have,
there's no brilliant for me toInspire through my stories
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through my messages.
It's a brilliant to empower,provide the tools, the guidance
they need to be successful inwhatever they're doing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now you said it's fascinating to me.
You said that you went througha lot of iterations before you
arrived at this purpose, and thesame thing happened to me.
But when I was looking for whatis my why and there's so many
things and it's just such abroad, a broad expanse for you,
i Have my own answers, but foryou, how did you know that was
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your why, that you were likeThis is it, this is the one
that's a great question, matt.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So How did I get to my why to this last iteration?
it to me started actually whenI was very young, because I'd
always asked the question What'smy purpose in this life?
I Remember I was maybe five,six, seven, my very early
memories and I would ask thatquestion to myself And then I
wouldn't have an answer and Iwould kind of park it and move
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on and I would ask the questionMaybe at least once or twice a
year, growing up and in my 20sand early 30s, and he wasn't
here.
I sat down that To really digin.
That he said to show up and thewhat I did is I looked back at
my life.
I said what is it that bringsme joy and happiness beyond
anything else?
and he wasn't money.
He wasn't the American dream orthe North American dream.
(13:59):
What it was is interacting withpeople, like I'm doing with you
right now, and need the audience, sharing my learnings, but also
decening to whatever they haveto share and just having a
genuine connection and givingback.
And that was really what Grammystarted to think okay, so that
means I like to be in serviceagain to myself and everyone
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else and sharing what I'mlearning And through all my life
there have been many iterationsof when I would learn the skill
, i would become good at it, beit in the professional world or
personal life, and I would thenwant to share that with anyone
that would be willing to listenor partake in that again big
soccer online gaming.
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I was a professional pokerplayer for a while and then I
coached a lot of people,hundreds of people did a lot of
stuff in my life betweenprofessional life and personal
life, so that's really how itstarted for me.
And then, once I did the workof going backwards, looking back
at my life, that's wheneverything started to click into
place And I now sit on thismission of inspiring and
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empowering people on thisbeautiful life journey.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
There's a philosopher named Albert Schweitzer.
He said as he got older he wasin his, i think, 90s when he
said this.
But as he got older someoneasked how goes it, how are you
doing?
And he said when he was thatold he said my eyesight is
getting worse and worse, but myvision is getting clearer and
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clearer every day.
And to me I see, when you sayyou went through iterations, and
then you actually indicatedthat you realize that it's going
to go through iterations,you're going to keep refining it
.
So that's neat to me And italways feels good, right,
because my vision is my visionfor now, and it's maybe not
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quite as narrow, because it'snot clear to me yet, but it gave
me a lot of hope that there wasa guy in his 90s that was like
my vision is not perfect yet,but it does get clearer and
clearer every day.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Exactly, And I love you.
You mentioned that because Istrongly believe that we don't
stop learning and growing ashuman beings.
And if we were to stop learning, then you stop growing
altogether.
And what happens next if youstop growing?
You look at nature.
You have great examples of whathappens when something stops
growing.
Now, what I like to add as wellbecause you touched on this and
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it's so beautiful is the ideathat we, as human beings, like
to set pre-formed expectationsor boxes or frames around our
visions or our dreams, and I wasno different.
I had this idea when I moved toCanada when I was 17,.
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My family, that I was studyingreally hard.
I would chase American dream.
I would want a life for me andmy family that we never had,
growing up in communist Romania.
So then you started chasingthose things, but they weren't
things that were coming from myheart.
It was more from theenvironment And because I grew
up a certain way, because of mybackground.
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What I wanted to chase?
this because society was sayingA, b and C and this is how you
should act in life, right, go toschool, get married, have some
kids, chase the American dream,and so on and so forth.
But what I realized is that ifI put expectations on things and
I've done a lot of that in mylife then it's almost like a
horse I'm chasing my blinders on, i'm chasing my expectation and
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I'm going to miss all theopportunities and all the
beautiful experiences and peoplethat come along the way that
are not in that path for myexpectation.
So what I've done recently, isay to you, it's a few years now
I changed my expectation tointention.
So what's my intention instead?
My intention, like yours,that's my vision.
My intention is to do A, b andC over the next five years, or
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10 years, or 20 years, but I'mnot fixing it and saying it has
to be this way or I'm notaccepting it.
So I'll give an example.
I'll say one of the things thatI would love to do in the
future and I know I'll be doingit is speak on a big stage.
Could be a stadium, could be acorporate stage, doesn't matter
to me.
But not speak about technology,which I've done already.
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Speak about personal andprofessional development, self
discovery, spirituality.
Now let's say that dream ofmine.
I'm very fixed and I say I onlywant to speak on a stage that
has at least 30,000 peoplesurrounding it, and that's my
vision.
What happens if the stage thatshows up in my path is actually
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a virtual stage that can hold50,000 people or 100,000?
Or what if it's an actualstadium that's 20,000 or 40,000?
Am I going to say no to those?
So that's what I'm coming fromwith this.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Right.
So be willing to adjust yourvision to meet at least part of
it at the beginning And probablyyour vision would come about
the way that you pictured it.
but you have to be open to theother possibilities first.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Exactly because the reality is that if, let's say,
you and I said OK, matt andKonstantin, today we're going to
put on paper our vision for thenext five years or 10 years, if
we come back to that six monthsfrom now, one year from now
likely you want to change atleast a couple of variables,
because you grew as a person.
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In the time, things changed inyour life, you met new people,
you changed priorities.
So to me it makes sense thatyour vision and how you approach
it should also be flexible soyou can adjust.
It's the idea we talked aboutearlier fixed mindset versus a
growth mindset.
Are you allowing flexibilityaround it or are you being too
fixed in how you approach it?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
How would you define since that is really important
part of this How would youdefine the difference between a
fixed mindset and a growthmindset?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Great question, matt.
So for me, a fixed mindset,which is what I grew up with and
what I had in my life for avery long time, is a mindset
where you are not looking toconsider any mistakes you make
in your life as learningopportunities And you're looking
essentially at having a veryclose mind.
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Whatever you grew up with,let's say, societal norms,
family norms, school norms,whatever the case might be
doctrines That's what you know,when you're not necessarily open
to anything that's outside ofthat.
So it goes with, of course,mistakes and, of course, all the
lessons you've learned alongthe way.
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A growth mindset, on the otherside, for me, and the way I see
it, is all about being openminded, being aware that my
opinion may not be the correctone in every instance And, for
example, you, matt, have otherideas and you and I can be
friends or can at least have aconversation without judging
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each other, without saying I'mright and you're wrong or the
other way around.
And, of course, growth mindsetalso goes into the idea that
everything that you've done inyour life be it good or bad, in
your eyes doesn't matter is alearning opportunity.
So that means all the mistakeswe've done, every time we fell
down.
Instead of trying to bury thedeep down like I did in the past
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in my early years, bring themup, see them as learning
opportunities, as giftspresented to you, and learn as
much as you can from them.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Do you do you go through any process to do that?
Do you like you'll be drivingin your car and think of
something that happened in yourpast?
Do you like come home and maybewrite that down somewhere and
say what can I learn from that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, that's another great question, Matt.
I love this.
There's two parts, right.
I would say that There arereally things I've done in my
past That I'm not proud of, andevery time that memory comes up
I'm like I'm trying to bury deepdown as fast as I can.
And the more you do that, themore you bury deep down, the
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harder is gonna come up the nexttime and like a volcano
eventually is going to erupt andit's gonna Blow all over
yourself and everyone else,because now, of course, you're
gonna have some issues.
So there was a long time when Ididn't actually allow any of
those emotions to come up.
Now I have practices Likemeditation, like something I
call check, in which Iessentially talk to myself for
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10, 20, 30 minutes, literally,just talk from the heart and
allow those emotions to come up,and then I analyze them And I
am.
My goal is to see is it comingfrom a place of fear or love,
meaning that if an emotion comesup of something in the past and
I'm not happy with maybe how Italk to someone, something I did
, usually comes from a place offear and judgment, something I
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don't like about myself, andthat allows you to break it down
and I do use a journal to writethings down, but not always,
especially, like you said, ifI'm driving.
Usually I'm gonna look at okay,what am I trying to learn out
of this?
So I'll give you an example.
There was a situation early inmy career when I Wanted to
switch from project managementto consulting and I had an
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interaction with my manager atthe time and he wouldn't go very
favorably For me and I reactedin a way that, while he was
still professional, is set meback by, let's say, six months.
So I that was a memory thatwhenever I would look back on
I'll be like That was bad andtry to pull it down.
But now I'm looking back and Isaid, okay, what can I learn
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from it?
And there's so much you canlearn, not just from, let's say,
the bad reaction I had, buteverything that led up to it,
because Every choice I madeleading up to that point Could
change so that maybe thesituation doesn't come up or I
can approach the situationdifferently.
So to me, it's about breakingdown these memories that you
have, these mistakes, this Everytime you fall down, and seeing
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what you can learn from it.
And the beauty is that let'ssay Matt, we break something
down together now.
If you go back to it, maybe ina week or two or three you may
find more stuff you can learn.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I Found myself having a conversation.
I was calling to cancel anonline service and I The service
was pretty good, but none of myteam was actually using it, so
I was just like I'm not gonnapay for this if nobody's using
it.
No, so I called to cancel andthey said that I had to schedule
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, like this interview, to cancel.
Okay, they wouldn't just cancelthe service, they're like we
have to do an interview, okay,so.
I went into that conversationlike ready for battle and It
didn't go well and I got theservice cancelled it.
But I was.
I was like probably mean alittle bit Right.
(24:49):
I was angry from the get-gobecause of the way they made me
do this, because in my mindThere's other services.
It was like, okay, I'm donewith this.
I go online account cancelaccount.
They say won't be chargedanymore and I'm like that's
beautiful.
That's what I want to do, butthese people wanted to talk to
me and make it all happen.
So I went in poorly After and Icancel the account.
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So my conversation wassuccessful.
Right, i can't, i cancel theaccount, but I Was not proud of
myself About that conversation,about the way I spoke to another
human being, about I wasn'tlike I wasn't like abusive,
right, i was just rude and I waslike no, i don't want to answer
(25:30):
any of your questions anymoreto find out why You want to know
why I'm canceling, but I don'thave time to tell you any of
that, like that kind of thing.
And I thought I could have justbeen nicer, right, i could have.
I could have approached this inan entirely different way, but
because I let my mindset be, i'mangry about the way they're
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doing this.
And then, mostly, i ended upwith a bad feeling for a couple
evenings, yes, in my mind, aboutthe way that conversation went.
And Had I been just a nice guylike I want to be and like I see
myself, and been the kind ofperson I want to be, i Probably
wouldn't.
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I wouldn't have even beengiving it a second thought,
there wouldn't have been goodfeelings about it, but I
wouldn't have had that burdenfor two nights, two or three
nights.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So anyway, no, matt, i love so much as you give an
example because It resonates sowell with a lot of what I've
done in my life too, becausethere are situations when you're
coming from a place of love,which is the second part of your
example if you had been nicerOr coming from a place of fear
and fear, of course, is that allthe negative aspects to it, and
I've done so many of those.
And what you touched on that Italk about a lot Is this idea
(26:41):
that if you were to Replace someof these situations where we
come from a place of fear with aplace of love, not only are you
going to make others feel goodabout themselves And the
interaction, you're going tomake yourself feel better.
So in your example, you're notgoing to ruminate over it for
Nice, it's actually going tomake you feel good and every
time your memory gets triggered,you'll feel good again.
And I had an incident like thismorning when I Maybe didn't
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sleep well enough or something,and I I was maybe too Quick to
respond to my partner or reactto something, and it's been on
my mind all day.
And those are, and those areWhat are the samples in our life
that if we were to replace thatwith something coming from love
, be more understand, morecompassionate and communicate
(27:27):
more clearly.
Oh, so many things can changefor us and those around us.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yes, that that is a beautiful thing.
I, yeah, there's.
There are a lot of incidentslike that in all of our pasts.
Yes, and so To me, i do journal.
I like when I think of it, iwill take a note on my phone and
just say I need a journal aboutthis.
That's how I get it out of myhead, right.
I, yeah, you think of somethingthat happened seven years ago
(27:55):
And I was so stupid.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yes, that's such a human thing to do, because I
know so many people wereresonate with us.
Such a human thing to do.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But to be able to train yourself to say, okay, i
can't do anything about whathappened seven years ago, but
What would I do next time ifthis situation ever arises again
?
I'm gonna train my brain to say, well, how am I gonna react
next time?
and I really liked what yousaid.
come from a place of love,which means if I'm ever angry
and About to make a phone call,i Should probably ask myself
(28:29):
before I dial these numbers andhit send Am I coming from a
place of love?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, or can I come from a place of love?
if you can, can I Stop?
yeah, okay, so it's a.
We're human beings after all,so it's not always gonna be
possible.
Right, there are things tohappen in our life that we have
little control over and they mayupset us.
There's a lot of learnedbehaviors from our early
childhood.
They will come up and I know I'mworking with a lot of those
right now and I've Overcomequite a few of them, but there's
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always more and more as youpeel back the layers of yourself
and realize But you touch onsomething that I want to bring
it back really quick, if I may,so we can learn from all these
interactions, like you mentioned, right, and something that
happened seven years ago willcome up And we'll make you
cringe, right, will make youlike, be like, why did I do that
?
Yes, and one mistake I made fora while was that I would try to
(29:21):
learn from it, and That was it.
But really, what I came torealize is that the learning is
part of it, but the second pieceis forgiving yourself and doing
the self love, meaning that ICan forgive my anger self for
reacting that way Because Ididn't know any better.
I didn't have the right tools,i didn't have the right
information and, honestly, whenI started to Approach the way as
(29:45):
well, blood and forgive andpractice some self love And I
know you may sound weird,because to me something very
weird people talk about selflove.
What is it That's about?
being kind to yourself?
We talked about coming from aplace of love.
It starts with you, right?
if you can't be kind toyourself, you're not gonna be
kind to anyone else for a verylong time.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right.
So you're talking about that.
Let's go back to my example,something that happened 70 years
ago.
You cringe, you write down whatyou could have learned for it
and then you say, look, that wasseven years ago.
I personally was 43 years oldseven years ago.
I didn't have the tools, iwasn't equipped with the mindset
to deal with it the way I wouldhave today.
(30:24):
So I'm gonna forgive myself.
Yes, how does it happen then?
Let's say it comes up again ina couple years and you cringe.
Do you just say I alreadyforgave myself for that?
Yeah, i can forget about itbecause I already forgave myself
for that incident.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I love the question and let's come up quite a few
times.
For me as well, it all comesdown to what we're saying
earlier Free will and the powerof choice.
You have choices.
Now, if I'm saying I forgivemyself and I don't actually mean
it, i'm not actually doing anyof the work for self-love and
being compassionate towardswhatever I did and not breaking
it down.
It's not gonna work.
And I've been there myself.
(31:02):
I thought I forgave myself and Ithought I got over it, but,
like the example you gave, itcame back after a few months or
a few years and I'm like, wait asecond, i haven't actually done
the work for it.
So to me, the way I see it is,that truly is It's reminding
yourself, because what happensis it's your subconscious mind
that brings up a lot of thisstuff and It dictates a lot of
(31:23):
your life, because thesubconscious mind, your ego,
your brain, they all want yourwell-being, but they're
leveraging outdated informationagain, those learned behaviors
from childhood, the tools you'velearned along the way.
So it's up to us to makechoices, to update those tools
the software, if you may and andReminding it that, hey, we are
(31:46):
not operating at the oldsoftware level, we're doing it
at the new level right now.
So when the thought comes upagain, i Personally do a quick
check Am I have I reallyforgiven myself?
Why is it coming up again?
And then reminding mysubconscious I'm like no, those
thoughts, i don't accept thoseanymore.
I forgive myself, there's noreason for them to come up.
(32:07):
And And okay, for me it works.
And which is really interesting, because the first time when it
worked I was like it does.
I was like surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Okay.
Is there any way to know, then,if you've genuinely forgiven
yourself at that moment?
So this thought comes upsomething happened seven years
ago.
I cringe, and then I tellmyself I Forgive myself for that
.
That's in the past.
But then it keeps popping upbecause I just said the words,
(32:38):
the.
Is there any Ritual, anythingthat you can tie to that moment
To, to make it so that you'relike I truly am honestly 100%
forgiving myself for somethingI've done in the past?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's a good question.
I would like if I said I hadthe answer fully for that.
The way I understand, the way Isee working for me, is that You
will start Like the first fewtimes will be very tough and you
won't know if it's working ornot.
But it always has to come downto you being honest with
yourself and really looking asto why that's coming up to begin
(33:14):
with and Why you may have notforgiven yourself and then go to
the process of the rituals youmentioned.
For me, what was really well isliterally when I take my dogs
for a walk at 10 30 at night,there's usually no one on the
streets or the park where I takethem and I would literally talk
to myself.
Now, when I say I talk tomyself, it's literally as you
(33:34):
and I are having a conversationright now, but without you in
the picture.
It's just I'm talking from myheart and I'm saying I feel this
way, i feel sad.
Why do I feel sad?
I feel sad because I reactedpoorly to my partner earlier
today.
Why?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
did I react?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
poorly.
And then I kept askingquestions and going down and
realizing okay, so I did becauseof A, b and C, or maybe I'm.
I did because I felt like Iwasn't being seen or heard or
whatever the message may be.
So as I dig deeper and deeper,i get to realize what?
so?
the core of it.
So I'm not treating thesymptoms, i'm trying to treat
the cause, the cause.
(34:08):
And Then, in the process, lookto forgive myself and say, okay,
this happened.
We cannot change the past.
What can we learn from it?
and can we let it go?
Now the similar situation maycome up again in a few months.
It's a matter of saying, okay,so why is this coming up again?
Do we not do enough work?
Do we need to do more work?
(34:30):
and likely you have to, and inmy case I have to do a lot of
work.
Still, there are parts of thatI thought I fixed or I got over
or I forgave, but they stillcome up.
So that means there's moredigging for me to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, even I had to thought while you were speaking
that, okay, maybe this is acumulative thing.
Maybe you need to start at onepoint and just say you know what
, when that happens, i'm gonnaforgive myself.
And then it's gonna keephappening, with different
incidents, different things, newmistakes that you've made, all
(35:03):
of that as you go through yourlife.
But the more you begin toforgive yourself, the more you
adopt an attitude of love andcare for yourself to say, look,
i'm gonna forgive myself forthat.
Maybe it's cumulative, maybe itis.
Oh, the game is, you Takes yearsbefore it to start working
immediately, and maybe it'llnever work immediately.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I would say every situation is different, so we
human beings are very good atTrying to find the fix, the
worst for everything across theboard, and that's why there's so
many Gurus and people thatclaim oh, i have the perfect
solution for you to get in shapeor lose weight or Be the best
entrepreneur.
Here's three steps, five, ahundred.
But the reality is they maywork for a small percentage, but
(35:48):
not for everyone, and we're alldifferent and also means that
every Instance, like youmentioned, is different as well.
So just because, let's say,these three tools work for me in
one instance of working withmyself and Working on self-love
and forgiving myself, it may notmean that it's gonna work for
every single scenario That we do, and that's why I truly believe
(36:09):
in continuing to learn, to findtools.
Try them in our life and seedoes that tool work for me?
And it may not work at thispoint in your life, but it may
work in a couple of years.
But at least you have thatinformation in So you can
practice and you can see whatworks for you.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
When I think now about your why Do you have when
you set goals, do you think of,like your why as being at the
top, and then you're, as youthink about setting goals, do
you say does this align Yes,does this make sense with my why
?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I haven't always done that, but Once I figure down my
why, everything that I do hasto align with it, especially,
for example, my podcast.
The mission of the podcast isthe same mission that I have on
a personal level to inspire,empower, guide, support
individuals on This beautifullife journey perfect, let me
give you an example.
(37:02):
Let's say Two years from now.
The show is huge.
I have sponsors coming my wayright And, let's say, one of the
sponsors is a big corporationThat doesn't do a lot of good
stuff for the, for mother earth,for the world, but they want to
throw a lot of money at me.
Now I have to look at mymission and say, does this
(37:24):
company I'm going to fill inmyself with Going to support my
mission, do they inspire,empower people on this journey,
or do they just look at theirbottom line and essentially
Affect millions or more thanthat in the process?
And that's how I like to lookat this.
Everything that we do in life,we have choices.
(37:44):
So it's your choice to say Howstrong do you feel about your
own mission or your own purpose,and what do you have to show up
in your life?
and to me, that's the same Inmy professional career.
I'm a microsoft right now.
Let's say, should I changecareers and move to somewhere
else, i would want my mission ormy why or my purpose to follow
(38:05):
with me.
So I wouldn't want to be in aplace What I would have To come
from, a place of fear more thanof love, right, when I'm not
inspiring and empowering peoplewith what I do?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So it is like the guidepost also For making
decisions.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It should be.
Yes, it's not easy, trust me.
There's always Things that comeup and because all the
decisions we make could beimpulsive, right, could be done
in the moment and, like in mycase, if my why was just
developed more recently, likeNot the full why, but like the
why I know right now, that meansthat there will be instances
when I make choices withoutrealizing Because I'm acting too
(38:45):
quickly.
So it's also a matter ofworking on Okay, can I take a
breather, can I do a deep breathBefore I respond, before I
react, before I choose something?
Can I sleep on choices forlonger?
And that's one thing I'vepracticed a lot in the last year
is, let's say, there's a bigdecision I need to make.
If I have a bit of time so Idon't have to give you an answer
right away, i would like toslip on it.
(39:07):
So I would then take 24 to 48hours And combine that with my
gut feeling, and it's beengiving me much better results.
Of course, everyone isdifferent, so you have to see
okay, are you a type of personthat can make react decisions
right away And they mostly goodOr do you need to slip on it a
bit and see and again look backinto your past.
When you had a chance to slipon it, when you had a chance to
(39:29):
react in the moment, how did youreact?
and that should give you theanswers you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So did you talk about all of this stuff on your
podcast on?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
my podcast.
I interview guests, people thatare likely farther along on
their journey than me or havedone something amazing in their
life or helped others doSomething amazing in their life.
I bring some of these topics upon my podcast, but I empower
people to share theirexperiences.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I am going to.
I'm gonna put this in the shownotes, but can you tell
everybody about your podcast?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Absolutely.
Thank you, matt, for theopportunity to share that.
So my podcast is called UnleashThyself.
Mission is to inspire andempower You, the listener, on
this beautiful journey, andagain I bring in guests that
specialize in Different parts oflife.
It could be someone that'sspecialized in the professional
(40:25):
growth or personal growth orself-discovery So, let's say,
inner child work or it could bepeople that are doing things
that mainstream May not beaccepted, like hypnotherapists
or people working with plantmedicine, or any other number of
spiritual teachers or mentorsthat Personally, i find very
(40:45):
intriguing to learn from,because it's something I'm not
used to.
And you can find the podcast atunleash thyselfcom.
It's on all the majorpodcasting platforms.
On youtube, at unleash thyself.
We are on instagram tick tockall the major platforms.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, thank you for that.
I want to ask you a questionthat I ask all my guests, and
I'm actually looking forward toyour answer.
If you had 43 seconds And youhad the entire world on the line
, what would you tell the entireworld if you had the chance?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Wow, okay, okay, that's an amazing question.
For those that have watched thevideo, they may see my
background.
They have a couple of signs.
Top one says follow your heart.
There's something I've realizedthat I must do and truly be
happy and find joy in life.
And that's what I've been doingfor the last little while, and
I cannot tell you how Impatialthat has been and anyone around
(41:40):
me that has seen me transform.
I am now having permission aswell To follow their heart, and
a lot of them are doing it aswell.
Second part, a second sign.
You'll see, there is love.
We talked about this a lot.
For me, that was the big a howmoment last year.
You have to start with love.
You have to start with love.
You love is the answer.
And again, a, it's about comingfrom a place of compassion,
(42:03):
empathy And anything that comeswith love.
So start with that.
And then, of course, the thirdone would be and this is a
bigger one that we can touch onnext time In the idea that
things let me actually rephrasethat.
It just is meaning that thinkabout everything in your life.
You apply labels, you applyBoxes to pretty much everything
(42:26):
based on what you know.
So something that's good for memight be bad for you, matt, and
vice versa.
But in reality things are justthings Encounters, relationships
.
We label them.
They're not inherently good orbad, they just are.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Thank you so much.
I am glad you said next timeWhile you were talking, because
I believe that we could probablymake this a few podcasts if
you'd be willing to do that.
Absolutely.
Our work pretty closely linedup in what we're trying to do
Maybe not in how we do it, butin what we're trying to do.
So I see us having moreconversations and doing this
(43:04):
more often.
But for now, we will end thisinterview and I thank you so
much, constantine, for being onthe show.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Thank you so much, math, for having me much
appreciated.
What is your day job?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I work for Microsoft, and specifically Microsoft
Canada, and I'm a technologyconsultant on their sales team
in Eastern Canada.
So I'm based in Halifax, novaScotia, and as part of my job I
cover four or five differentprovinces and the largest
customers we have out here, sogrocery stores and manufacturing
(00:22):
and other beautiful industries.
And what I specialize in is allMicrosoft technology, from
hosting in the cloud toartificial intelligence, to
Microsoft teams and all theother modern workplace tools
that we have.
And in my day job I help peopleunlock the amazing capabilities
of this technology so then theycan have a better time of their
(00:46):
work, spend more time withtheir kids, so they don't have
to work 12 hours a day andeverything that comes with that.
And that's essentially my dayjob Lots of meetings, lots of
presentations, lots ofconversations with C levels,
directors and project managers.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That is fascinating and I don't want to spend too
long on Microsoft, but the factthat you just said all this
about a week ago.
now, i've been a MicrosoftOffice 365 user for probably
five or six years, and justabout a week ago I got billed
again.
I got my bill and I was likewhat else does Microsoft have
(01:24):
now in five years?
something else had to havehappened besides just one drive.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So I went on and looked at all of the.
I can't even believe it's goingto take years to explore the
tools that were available to meas a Microsoft 365, or an Office
365 user.
I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Exactly, that's a challenge in itself, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that was cool and it's just interesting that you
work for Microsoft and youbrought that up when it happened
so recently.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's funny.
It's funny how that works Andthe artificial intelligence
stuff is what it said.
That's going to revolutionize alot of different areas of our
life And people are scared of it, of course, but at the same
time, people like myself theysee the true power of it.
It's okay, I can't wait.
I'm using a lot of AI in myday-to-day podcasting life and
(02:18):
the things I do outside of work,because it simplifies my day.
It essentially gives me timeback in the day that I didn't
have to begin with.
That's what the problem is?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That is absolutely yes.
Do you know?
I have this list of the.
I call it my KOPD kind ofperson.
I want to be document that Iread.
I read it to myself everymorning And I thought, if I
expound on, this could be a book.
Yesterday, in four hours.
Chatgpt, google Bard andMicrosoft's Bing all three of
(02:49):
those I used together, i wrote abook yesterday In one day, in
four hours.
Wow, in four hours I wrote a37,000 word, 166 page book.
That's impressive.
Now I still gotta go through andedit it and all of that.
But the power of thattechnology, like it knew what I
(03:11):
was asking.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I would give it one of the phrases and I'd say write
a blog.
I just use blog posts.
Write a blog post about thistopic.
Use my voice.
I fed it my voice, yeah.
And so just use my voice, andthere you go.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's impressive.
It's impressive, Matt.
And yeah, I've seen, I've heardthe people do it for books.
You're the first one, Ashley.
No, that has done us.
That's awesome.
But I use it for any type ofdrafts because, like you said,
you have to not only give itinputs but also take what it
gives you and then modify it tofit your messaging and fit your
(03:49):
voice a bit better and clean itup.
But it gives you so much tostart with that you don't have
to waste hours looking at theblank screen.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Absolutely.
I'm a part of a group calledWrite Minds with Jacob McMillan.
He's a copywriter and heteaches people more about
copywriting And he's reallypushing artificial intelligence.
But one of the things that hesaid that was really cool about
like chat, gbt and those similarservices, where that you have
to treat it like a podcastinterview.
(04:17):
You treat it like you ask aquestion and then it gives you
an answer, and then you digdeeper and it gives you another
answer and you dig deeper andthen you get what you want, and
when I started doing that, itwas absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It is, and I use it for ideation a lot.
I fit my ideas and then I askyou to give me more ideas in the
same vein.
Right, like it's so many usecases that you can come up with,
and, for example, my show notes, everything I do with the show
notes I'm using and a technologythat uses AI, processes the
audio file and then spits out abunch of stuff, including social
(04:53):
media content.
I haven't used a social mediacontent as much as I should have
, but it's giving me timelines,it's giving me show notes, it's
giving me everything I need, andthen I clean them up a bit and
I put them up, so it saves mehours per episode.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, wow, nice, i might tap your brain about that
later.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I was happy to chat anytime.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I need to start saving some time on that.
So, through all of this,through your job at Microsoft,
at what point did you, was therea point where you found, like
some personal developmentconcept that just started you
off on the path that you'redoing right now, which is
empowering people and inspiringpeople?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, that should start right when I joined
Microsoft about six years agonow.
It's important to know that Iwas born in Eastern Europe
Romania, during the time of thecommunist era still, and I grew
up in that environment And inEastern Europe and many parts of
the world still.
It's more around of a fixedmindset.
Right, some mistakes are notaccepted, they're to be hidden,
(05:52):
they're to be avoided at allcosts, and I carried that with
me when I moved to Canada when Iwas 17 and began studying here.
But I was always someone curiousand learning And I didn't
realize that there was somethingcalled fixed mindset and
something called growth mindset.
And it wasn't until I joinedMicrosoft that the culture of
Microsoft promotes growthmindset.
(06:12):
So I started reading andlearning a lot more about it And
all of a sudden I'm like, wow,this is amazing And that's what
propelled me on an even biggerpersonal and professional growth
path, because all my life I'vedone that.
I've always been curious tolearn and learn.
But now I had a differentapproach to learning.
I was like, ooh, i can go backand do this, i can time and look
(06:34):
at let's call them mistakes orwhatever.
I fell down and learn from them, not try to bury them deep down
and ignore them.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Was it just something inside you that made you decide
that you wanted to share thisstuff?
Was there a big life changethat you had that made you
decide Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
so that's-.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I need, people need to know this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Great question.
There was a big life changelast year but, to be honest with
you, it's always been within me.
So whenever I learned somethingand I'm passionate about
something and there's manythings I get passionate about
and I've been over my life Ilove to share it with other
people.
And that started with meplaying soccer when I was very
young and then coaching peopleand mentoring people and putting
things together to computergames and to tutoring math and
(07:20):
engineering in university and inhigh school, to, of course,
mentoring and coaching people inthe work environment.
And then last year what happenedwas about April I actually went
on a mental health retreat toEcuador, spent about three weeks
in nature and would like myindividuals, and that opened my
(07:41):
eyes up to so much more like tohow life should be.
I was able to clear up a lot ofthings that I was unsure about,
and That was really the pivotalmoment in my life, because when
I came back, I came back with a?
I Reminding myself what life isabout Right, leading from a
place of love, which includesbeing more compassionate,
(08:04):
empathic, considerate of people,and then also sharing and in
giving away Whatever you areaccumulating, beat Knowledge
right, like most of us haveknowledge, some resources,
giving helping people out, anyof the stuff.
So I would say, to answer yourquestion, the big moment was
last year about April, may.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, did it cause any changes in you, like
recognizable changes in yourmind or any, not necessarily
just last year, but over time,this stuff that you are teaching
people And yeah, before we getinto that, like, what kind of
changes has it had on youpersonally?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh my, so many changes, mad.
So the changes that come tomind right away is essentially
how I approach Every interactionright now, realizing that it
doesn't matter if you're acustomer of mine is someone I
just met for the first time.
Like you and I just met a fewminutes ago, i Want to treat you
the way I would like to betreated.
I want to come from a place oflove and not a place of fear,
(09:07):
meaning again beingcompassionate, being kind, being
empathic to the situation, andthat Went into my work life as
well as my personal life.
So that's been a big change Inon the personal side of things.
It put all things in perspectivehow I react, how I make choices
, realizing I have a choice.
(09:28):
To begin with, those areanother big a homo for me, when
I realized that Everything I doin life It's actually my choice.
Sometimes it doesn't appear theway because some outcomes of
certain choices are tough.
A good example Someone gave mea while back was you have a
choice if you want to pay taxesor not.
If you don't pay them, ofcourse, outcomes are unfavorable
(09:50):
for the most part, but you havethe choice, or you have the
choice to move to a country thatdoesn't tax you, or a state or
a place in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
When I started on a personal development journey, it
started with some books andsome people, and so are there
any influences, specificallythat that are Attainable people,
a book that somebody can read,a seminar somebody can watch
besides going to the retreatthat you went to, an Ecuador
Which is not available toeveryone?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
exactly.
Oh, there's so much informationout there, like you said books,
podcasts like this one, videos,you name it.
The book that I picked up Veryearly in my career Microsoft's
about six years ago, when Ilearned about the growth mindset
and trying to understand myselfbetter, i'm finding my why, or
my purpose, was the book bySimon Sinek named find your why,
(10:45):
or start with why.
That actually is a really goodbook in in getting to understand
why that's important and,secondly, how to find your why.
And That was big for me.
It wasn't a rapid process.
It took me a few iterations, ittook me a few years of working
with that and, like many otherresources that we consume as
(11:06):
human beings, sometimes we getthe habit and I've been there
many times myself where you reada book, you like the book, but
then you don't actuallyimplement much of it, you don't
put in the work, and I've donethe many times in my life And
then once it really clicked forme that hey, i have to really
put in the work to see theresults.
That's when everything changed.
Is your why?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
something that you would like to share, absolutely
on the podcast.
What is the why that you cameup with?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, the why equal the why with my Or what I would
call my purpose in life as Iknow it right now, and I also
realize it's very fluid in thesense that it will evolve over
time as I grow as a person andas I understand myself better
And get to know myself better.
But my why starts with being inservice of others, and that
includes myself.
And then the mission itself, orthe purpose, is to inspire and
(11:57):
empower people on this beautifullife journey.
That's it, that's my why.
And then how does that show upin my day-to-day life?
Because it's a question I get alot.
There's my personal life, myprofessional life and anything
in between.
If you have a strong why, onethat you believe in, then you
can apply that to everything youdo in life.
It doesn't matter what careeryou have, you can apply that.
(12:18):
So in my case, microsoft.
I work with customers andco-workers and partners and
people all day long.
So if my goal is to inspire andempower people on this journey,
that means I have to come froma place of love.
That means I have to be aperson that I can't be.
I have to keep in mind that,hey, every interaction I have,
there's no brilliant for me toInspire through my stories
(12:40):
through my messages.
It's a brilliant to empower,provide the tools, the guidance
they need to be successful inwhatever they're doing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now you said it's fascinating to me.
You said that you went througha lot of iterations before you
arrived at this purpose, and thesame thing happened to me.
But when I was looking for whatis my why and there's so many
things and it's just such abroad, a broad expanse for you,
i Have my own answers, but foryou, how did you know that was
(13:10):
your why, that you were likeThis is it, this is the one
that's a great question, matt.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So How did I get to my why to this last iteration?
it to me started actually whenI was very young, because I'd
always asked the question What'smy purpose in this life?
I Remember I was maybe five,six, seven, my very early
memories and I would ask thatquestion to myself And then I
wouldn't have an answer and Iwould kind of park it and move
(13:36):
on and I would ask the questionMaybe at least once or twice a
year, growing up and in my 20sand early 30s, and he wasn't
here.
I sat down that To really digin.
That he said to show up and thewhat I did is I looked back at
my life.
I said what is it that bringsme joy and happiness beyond
anything else?
and he wasn't money.
He wasn't the American dream orthe North American dream.
(13:59):
What it was is interacting withpeople, like I'm doing with you
right now, and need the audience, sharing my learnings, but also
decening to whatever they haveto share and just having a
genuine connection and givingback.
And that was really what Grammystarted to think okay, so that
means I like to be in serviceagain to myself and everyone
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else and sharing what I'mlearning And through all my life
there have been many iterationsof when I would learn the skill
, i would become good at it, beit in the professional world or
personal life, and I would thenwant to share that with anyone
that would be willing to listenor partake in that again big
soccer online gaming.
(14:41):
I was a professional pokerplayer for a while and then I
coached a lot of people,hundreds of people did a lot of
stuff in my life betweenprofessional life and personal
life, so that's really how itstarted for me.
And then, once I did the workof going backwards, looking back
at my life, that's wheneverything started to click into
place And I now sit on thismission of inspiring and
(15:06):
empowering people on thisbeautiful life journey.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
There's a philosopher named Albert Schweitzer.
He said as he got older he wasin his, i think, 90s when he
said this.
But as he got older someoneasked how goes it, how are you
doing?
And he said when he was thatold he said my eyesight is
getting worse and worse, but myvision is getting clearer and
(15:31):
clearer every day.
And to me I see, when you sayyou went through iterations, and
then you actually indicatedthat you realize that it's going
to go through iterations,you're going to keep refining it
.
So that's neat to me And italways feels good, right,
because my vision is my visionfor now, and it's maybe not
(15:51):
quite as narrow, because it'snot clear to me yet, but it gave
me a lot of hope that there wasa guy in his 90s that was like
my vision is not perfect yet,but it does get clearer and
clearer every day.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Exactly, And I love you.
You mentioned that because Istrongly believe that we don't
stop learning and growing ashuman beings.
And if we were to stop learning, then you stop growing
altogether.
And what happens next if youstop growing?
You look at nature.
You have great examples of whathappens when something stops
growing.
Now, what I like to add as wellbecause you touched on this and
(16:26):
it's so beautiful is the ideathat we, as human beings, like
to set pre-formed expectationsor boxes or frames around our
visions or our dreams, and I wasno different.
I had this idea when I moved toCanada when I was 17,.
(16:47):
My family, that I was studyingreally hard.
I would chase American dream.
I would want a life for me andmy family that we never had,
growing up in communist Romania.
So then you started chasingthose things, but they weren't
things that were coming from myheart.
It was more from theenvironment And because I grew
up a certain way, because of mybackground.
(17:07):
What I wanted to chase?
this because society was sayingA, b and C and this is how you
should act in life, right, go toschool, get married, have some
kids, chase the American dream,and so on and so forth.
But what I realized is that ifI put expectations on things and
I've done a lot of that in mylife then it's almost like a
horse I'm chasing my blinders on, i'm chasing my expectation and
(17:29):
I'm going to miss all theopportunities and all the
beautiful experiences and peoplethat come along the way that
are not in that path for myexpectation.
So what I've done recently, isay to you, it's a few years now
I changed my expectation tointention.
So what's my intention instead?
My intention, like yours,that's my vision.
My intention is to do A, b andC over the next five years, or
(17:53):
10 years, or 20 years, but I'mnot fixing it and saying it has
to be this way or I'm notaccepting it.
So I'll give an example.
I'll say one of the things thatI would love to do in the
future and I know I'll be doingit is speak on a big stage.
Could be a stadium, could be acorporate stage, doesn't matter
to me.
But not speak about technology,which I've done already.
(18:16):
Speak about personal andprofessional development, self
discovery, spirituality.
Now let's say that dream ofmine.
I'm very fixed and I say I onlywant to speak on a stage that
has at least 30,000 peoplesurrounding it, and that's my
vision.
What happens if the stage thatshows up in my path is actually
(18:37):
a virtual stage that can hold50,000 people or 100,000?
Or what if it's an actualstadium that's 20,000 or 40,000?
Am I going to say no to those?
So that's what I'm coming fromwith this.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Right.
So be willing to adjust yourvision to meet at least part of
it at the beginning And probablyyour vision would come about
the way that you pictured it.
but you have to be open to theother possibilities first.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Exactly because the reality is that if, let's say,
you and I said OK, matt andKonstantin, today we're going to
put on paper our vision for thenext five years or 10 years, if
we come back to that six monthsfrom now, one year from now
likely you want to change atleast a couple of variables,
because you grew as a person.
(19:25):
In the time, things changed inyour life, you met new people,
you changed priorities.
So to me it makes sense thatyour vision and how you approach
it should also be flexible soyou can adjust.
It's the idea we talked aboutearlier fixed mindset versus a
growth mindset.
Are you allowing flexibilityaround it or are you being too
fixed in how you approach it?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
How would you define since that is really important
part of this How would youdefine the difference between a
fixed mindset and a growthmindset?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Great question, matt.
So for me, a fixed mindset,which is what I grew up with and
what I had in my life for avery long time, is a mindset
where you are not looking toconsider any mistakes you make
in your life as learningopportunities And you're looking
essentially at having a veryclose mind.
(20:19):
Whatever you grew up with,let's say, societal norms,
family norms, school norms,whatever the case might be
doctrines That's what you know,when you're not necessarily open
to anything that's outside ofthat.
So it goes with, of course,mistakes and, of course, all the
lessons you've learned alongthe way.
(20:40):
A growth mindset, on the otherside, for me, and the way I see
it, is all about being openminded, being aware that my
opinion may not be the correctone in every instance And, for
example, you, matt, have otherideas and you and I can be
friends or can at least have aconversation without judging
(21:00):
each other, without saying I'mright and you're wrong or the
other way around.
And, of course, growth mindsetalso goes into the idea that
everything that you've done inyour life be it good or bad, in
your eyes doesn't matter is alearning opportunity.
So that means all the mistakeswe've done, every time we fell
down.
Instead of trying to bury thedeep down like I did in the past
(21:21):
in my early years, bring themup, see them as learning
opportunities, as giftspresented to you, and learn as
much as you can from them.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Do you do you go through any process to do that?
Do you like you'll be drivingin your car and think of
something that happened in yourpast?
Do you like come home and maybewrite that down somewhere and
say what can I learn from that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, that's another great question, Matt.
I love this.
There's two parts, right.
I would say that There arereally things I've done in my
past That I'm not proud of, andevery time that memory comes up
I'm like I'm trying to bury deepdown as fast as I can.
And the more you do that, themore you bury deep down, the
(22:05):
harder is gonna come up the nexttime and like a volcano
eventually is going to erupt andit's gonna Blow all over
yourself and everyone else,because now, of course, you're
gonna have some issues.
So there was a long time when Ididn't actually allow any of
those emotions to come up.
Now I have practices Likemeditation, like something I
call check, in which Iessentially talk to myself for
(22:27):
10, 20, 30 minutes, literally,just talk from the heart and
allow those emotions to come up,and then I analyze them And I
am.
My goal is to see is it comingfrom a place of fear or love,
meaning that if an emotion comesup of something in the past and
I'm not happy with maybe how Italk to someone, something I did
, usually comes from a place offear and judgment, something I
(22:48):
don't like about myself, andthat allows you to break it down
and I do use a journal to writethings down, but not always,
especially, like you said, ifI'm driving.
Usually I'm gonna look at okay,what am I trying to learn out
of this?
So I'll give you an example.
There was a situation early inmy career when I Wanted to
switch from project managementto consulting and I had an
(23:12):
interaction with my manager atthe time and he wouldn't go very
favorably For me and I reactedin a way that, while he was
still professional, is set meback by, let's say, six months.
So I that was a memory thatwhenever I would look back on
I'll be like That was bad andtry to pull it down.
But now I'm looking back and Isaid, okay, what can I learn
(23:33):
from it?
And there's so much you canlearn, not just from, let's say,
the bad reaction I had, buteverything that led up to it,
because Every choice I madeleading up to that point Could
change so that maybe thesituation doesn't come up or I
can approach the situationdifferently.
So to me, it's about breakingdown these memories that you
have, these mistakes, this Everytime you fall down, and seeing
(23:58):
what you can learn from it.
And the beauty is that let'ssay Matt, we break something
down together now.
If you go back to it, maybe ina week or two or three you may
find more stuff you can learn.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I Found myself having a conversation.
I was calling to cancel anonline service and I The service
was pretty good, but none of myteam was actually using it, so
I was just like I'm not gonnapay for this if nobody's using
it.
No, so I called to cancel andthey said that I had to schedule
(24:29):
, like this interview, to cancel.
Okay, they wouldn't just cancelthe service, they're like we
have to do an interview, okay,so.
I went into that conversationlike ready for battle and It
didn't go well and I got theservice cancelled it.
But I was.
I was like probably mean alittle bit Right.
(24:49):
I was angry from the get-gobecause of the way they made me
do this, because in my mindThere's other services.
It was like, okay, I'm donewith this.
I go online account cancelaccount.
They say won't be chargedanymore and I'm like that's
beautiful.
That's what I want to do, butthese people wanted to talk to
me and make it all happen.
So I went in poorly After and Icancel the account.
(25:10):
So my conversation wassuccessful.
Right, i can't, i cancel theaccount, but I Was not proud of
myself About that conversation,about the way I spoke to another
human being, about I wasn'tlike I wasn't like abusive,
right, i was just rude and I waslike no, i don't want to answer
(25:30):
any of your questions anymoreto find out why You want to know
why I'm canceling, but I don'thave time to tell you any of
that, like that kind of thing.
And I thought I could have justbeen nicer, right, i could have.
I could have approached this inan entirely different way, but
because I let my mindset be, i'mangry about the way they're
(25:51):
doing this.
And then, mostly, i ended upwith a bad feeling for a couple
evenings, yes, in my mind, aboutthe way that conversation went.
And Had I been just a nice guylike I want to be and like I see
myself, and been the kind ofperson I want to be, i Probably
wouldn't.
(26:11):
I wouldn't have even beengiving it a second thought,
there wouldn't have been goodfeelings about it, but I
wouldn't have had that burdenfor two nights, two or three
nights.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So anyway, no, matt, i love so much as you give an
example because It resonates sowell with a lot of what I've
done in my life too, becausethere are situations when you're
coming from a place of love,which is the second part of your
example if you had been nicerOr coming from a place of fear
and fear, of course, is that allthe negative aspects to it, and
I've done so many of those.
And what you touched on that Italk about a lot Is this idea
(26:41):
that if you were to Replace someof these situations where we
come from a place of fear with aplace of love, not only are you
going to make others feel goodabout themselves And the
interaction, you're going tomake yourself feel better.
So in your example, you're notgoing to ruminate over it for
Nice, it's actually going tomake you feel good and every
time your memory gets triggered,you'll feel good again.
And I had an incident like thismorning when I Maybe didn't
(27:06):
sleep well enough or something,and I I was maybe too Quick to
respond to my partner or reactto something, and it's been on
my mind all day.
And those are, and those areWhat are the samples in our life
that if we were to replace thatwith something coming from love
, be more understand, morecompassionate and communicate
(27:27):
more clearly.
Oh, so many things can changefor us and those around us.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yes, that that is a beautiful thing.
I, yeah, there's.
There are a lot of incidentslike that in all of our pasts.
Yes, and so To me, i do journal.
I like when I think of it, iwill take a note on my phone and
just say I need a journal aboutthis.
That's how I get it out of myhead, right.
I, yeah, you think of somethingthat happened seven years ago
(27:55):
And I was so stupid.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yes, that's such a human thing to do, because I
know so many people wereresonate with us.
Such a human thing to do.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But to be able to train yourself to say, okay, i
can't do anything about whathappened seven years ago, but
What would I do next time ifthis situation ever arises again
?
I'm gonna train my brain to say, well, how am I gonna react
next time?
and I really liked what yousaid.
come from a place of love,which means if I'm ever angry
and About to make a phone call,i Should probably ask myself
(28:29):
before I dial these numbers andhit send Am I coming from a
place of love?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, or can I come from a place of love?
if you can, can I Stop?
yeah, okay, so it's a.
We're human beings after all,so it's not always gonna be
possible.
Right, there are things tohappen in our life that we have
little control over and they mayupset us.
There's a lot of learnedbehaviors from our early
childhood.
They will come up and I know I'mworking with a lot of those
right now and I've Overcomequite a few of them, but there's
(28:58):
always more and more as youpeel back the layers of yourself
and realize But you touch onsomething that I want to bring
it back really quick, if I may,so we can learn from all these
interactions, like you mentioned, right, and something that
happened seven years ago willcome up And we'll make you
cringe, right, will make youlike, be like, why did I do that
?
Yes, and one mistake I made fora while was that I would try to
(29:21):
learn from it, and That was it.
But really, what I came torealize is that the learning is
part of it, but the second pieceis forgiving yourself and doing
the self love, meaning that ICan forgive my anger self for
reacting that way Because Ididn't know any better.
I didn't have the right tools,i didn't have the right
information and, honestly, whenI started to Approach the way as
(29:45):
well, blood and forgive andpractice some self love And I
know you may sound weird,because to me something very
weird people talk about selflove.
What is it That's about?
being kind to yourself?
We talked about coming from aplace of love.
It starts with you, right?
if you can't be kind toyourself, you're not gonna be
kind to anyone else for a verylong time.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right.
So you're talking about that.
Let's go back to my example,something that happened 70 years
ago.
You cringe, you write down whatyou could have learned for it
and then you say, look, that wasseven years ago.
I personally was 43 years oldseven years ago.
I didn't have the tools, iwasn't equipped with the mindset
to deal with it the way I wouldhave today.
(30:24):
So I'm gonna forgive myself.
Yes, how does it happen then?
Let's say it comes up again ina couple years and you cringe.
Do you just say I alreadyforgave myself for that?
Yeah, i can forget about itbecause I already forgave myself
for that incident.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I love the question and let's come up quite a few
times.
For me as well, it all comesdown to what we're saying
earlier Free will and the powerof choice.
You have choices.
Now, if I'm saying I forgivemyself and I don't actually mean
it, i'm not actually doing anyof the work for self-love and
being compassionate towardswhatever I did and not breaking
it down.
It's not gonna work.
And I've been there myself.
(31:02):
I thought I forgave myself and Ithought I got over it, but,
like the example you gave, itcame back after a few months or
a few years and I'm like, wait asecond, i haven't actually done
the work for it.
So to me, the way I see it is,that truly is It's reminding
yourself, because what happensis it's your subconscious mind
that brings up a lot of thisstuff and It dictates a lot of
(31:23):
your life, because thesubconscious mind, your ego,
your brain, they all want yourwell-being, but they're
leveraging outdated informationagain, those learned behaviors
from childhood, the tools you'velearned along the way.
So it's up to us to makechoices, to update those tools
the software, if you may and andReminding it that, hey, we are
(31:46):
not operating at the oldsoftware level, we're doing it
at the new level right now.
So when the thought comes upagain, i Personally do a quick
check Am I have I reallyforgiven myself?
Why is it coming up again?
And then reminding mysubconscious I'm like no, those
thoughts, i don't accept thoseanymore.
I forgive myself, there's noreason for them to come up.
(32:07):
And And okay, for me it works.
And which is really interesting, because the first time when it
worked I was like it does.
I was like surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Okay.
Is there any way to know, then,if you've genuinely forgiven
yourself at that moment?
So this thought comes upsomething happened seven years
ago.
I cringe, and then I tellmyself I Forgive myself for that
.
That's in the past.
But then it keeps popping upbecause I just said the words,
(32:38):
the.
Is there any Ritual, anythingthat you can tie to that moment
To, to make it so that you'relike I truly am honestly 100%
forgiving myself for somethingI've done in the past?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's a good question.
I would like if I said I hadthe answer fully for that.
The way I understand, the way Isee working for me, is that You
will start Like the first fewtimes will be very tough and you
won't know if it's working ornot.
But it always has to come downto you being honest with
yourself and really looking asto why that's coming up to begin
(33:14):
with and Why you may have notforgiven yourself and then go to
the process of the rituals youmentioned.
For me, what was really well isliterally when I take my dogs
for a walk at 10 30 at night,there's usually no one on the
streets or the park where I takethem and I would literally talk
to myself.
Now, when I say I talk tomyself, it's literally as you
(33:34):
and I are having a conversationright now, but without you in
the picture.
It's just I'm talking from myheart and I'm saying I feel this
way, i feel sad.
Why do I feel sad?
I feel sad because I reactedpoorly to my partner earlier
today.
Why?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
did I react?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
poorly.
And then I kept askingquestions and going down and
realizing okay, so I did becauseof A, b and C, or maybe I'm.
I did because I felt like Iwasn't being seen or heard or
whatever the message may be.
So as I dig deeper and deeper,i get to realize what?
so?
the core of it.
So I'm not treating thesymptoms, i'm trying to treat
the cause, the cause.
(34:08):
And Then, in the process, lookto forgive myself and say, okay,
this happened.
We cannot change the past.
What can we learn from it?
and can we let it go?
Now the similar situation maycome up again in a few months.
It's a matter of saying, okay,so why is this coming up again?
Do we not do enough work?
Do we need to do more work?
(34:30):
and likely you have to, and inmy case I have to do a lot of
work.
Still, there are parts of thatI thought I fixed or I got over
or I forgave, but they stillcome up.
So that means there's moredigging for me to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, even I had to thought while you were speaking
that, okay, maybe this is acumulative thing.
Maybe you need to start at onepoint and just say you know what
, when that happens, i'm gonnaforgive myself.
And then it's gonna keephappening, with different
incidents, different things, newmistakes that you've made, all
(35:03):
of that as you go through yourlife.
But the more you begin toforgive yourself, the more you
adopt an attitude of love andcare for yourself to say, look,
i'm gonna forgive myself forthat.
Maybe it's cumulative, maybe itis.
Oh, the game is, you Takes yearsbefore it to start working
immediately, and maybe it'llnever work immediately.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I would say every situation is different, so we
human beings are very good atTrying to find the fix, the
worst for everything across theboard, and that's why there's so
many Gurus and people thatclaim oh, i have the perfect
solution for you to get in shapeor lose weight or Be the best
entrepreneur.
Here's three steps, five, ahundred.
But the reality is they maywork for a small percentage, but
(35:48):
not for everyone, and we're alldifferent and also means that
every Instance, like youmentioned, is different as well.
So just because, let's say,these three tools work for me in
one instance of working withmyself and Working on self-love
and forgiving myself, it may notmean that it's gonna work for
every single scenario That we do, and that's why I truly believe
(36:09):
in continuing to learn, to findtools.
Try them in our life and seedoes that tool work for me?
And it may not work at thispoint in your life, but it may
work in a couple of years.
But at least you have thatinformation in So you can
practice and you can see whatworks for you.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
When I think now about your why Do you have when
you set goals, do you think of,like your why as being at the
top, and then you're, as youthink about setting goals, do
you say does this align Yes,does this make sense with my why
?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I haven't always done that, but Once I figure down my
why, everything that I do hasto align with it, especially,
for example, my podcast.
The mission of the podcast isthe same mission that I have on
a personal level to inspire,empower, guide, support
individuals on This beautifullife journey perfect, let me
give you an example.
(37:02):
Let's say Two years from now.
The show is huge.
I have sponsors coming my wayright And, let's say, one of the
sponsors is a big corporationThat doesn't do a lot of good
stuff for the, for mother earth,for the world, but they want to
throw a lot of money at me.
Now I have to look at mymission and say, does this
(37:24):
company I'm going to fill inmyself with Going to support my
mission, do they inspire,empower people on this journey,
or do they just look at theirbottom line and essentially
Affect millions or more thanthat in the process?
And that's how I like to lookat this.
Everything that we do in life,we have choices.
(37:44):
So it's your choice to say Howstrong do you feel about your
own mission or your own purpose,and what do you have to show up
in your life?
and to me, that's the same Inmy professional career.
I'm a microsoft right now.
Let's say, should I changecareers and move to somewhere
else, i would want my mission ormy why or my purpose to follow
(38:05):
with me.
So I wouldn't want to be in aplace What I would have To come
from, a place of fear more thanof love, right, when I'm not
inspiring and empowering peoplewith what I do?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So it is like the guidepost also For making
decisions.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It should be.
Yes, it's not easy, trust me.
There's always Things that comeup and because all the
decisions we make could beimpulsive, right, could be done
in the moment and, like in mycase, if my why was just
developed more recently, likeNot the full why, but like the
why I know right now, that meansthat there will be instances
when I make choices withoutrealizing Because I'm acting too
(38:45):
quickly.
So it's also a matter ofworking on Okay, can I take a
breather, can I do a deep breathBefore I respond, before I
react, before I choose something?
Can I sleep on choices forlonger?
And that's one thing I'vepracticed a lot in the last year
is, let's say, there's a bigdecision I need to make.
If I have a bit of time so Idon't have to give you an answer
right away, i would like toslip on it.
(39:07):
So I would then take 24 to 48hours And combine that with my
gut feeling, and it's beengiving me much better results.
Of course, everyone isdifferent, so you have to see
okay, are you a type of personthat can make react decisions
right away And they mostly goodOr do you need to slip on it a
bit and see and again look backinto your past.
When you had a chance to slipon it, when you had a chance to
(39:29):
react in the moment, how did youreact?
and that should give you theanswers you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So did you talk about all of this stuff on your
podcast on?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
my podcast.
I interview guests, people thatare likely farther along on
their journey than me or havedone something amazing in their
life or helped others doSomething amazing in their life.
I bring some of these topics upon my podcast, but I empower
people to share theirexperiences.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I am going to.
I'm gonna put this in the shownotes, but can you tell
everybody about your podcast?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Absolutely.
Thank you, matt, for theopportunity to share that.
So my podcast is called UnleashThyself.
Mission is to inspire andempower You, the listener, on
this beautiful journey, andagain I bring in guests that
specialize in Different parts oflife.
It could be someone that'sspecialized in the professional
(40:25):
growth or personal growth orself-discovery So, let's say,
inner child work or it could bepeople that are doing things
that mainstream May not beaccepted, like hypnotherapists
or people working with plantmedicine, or any other number of
spiritual teachers or mentorsthat Personally, i find very
(40:45):
intriguing to learn from,because it's something I'm not
used to.
And you can find the podcast atunleash thyselfcom.
It's on all the majorpodcasting platforms.
On youtube, at unleash thyself.
We are on instagram tick tockall the major platforms.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, thank you for that.
I want to ask you a questionthat I ask all my guests, and
I'm actually looking forward toyour answer.
If you had 43 seconds And youhad the entire world on the line
, what would you tell the entireworld if you had the chance?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Wow, okay, okay, that's an amazing question.
For those that have watched thevideo, they may see my
background.
They have a couple of signs.
Top one says follow your heart.
There's something I've realizedthat I must do and truly be
happy and find joy in life.
And that's what I've been doingfor the last little while, and
I cannot tell you how Impatialthat has been and anyone around
(41:40):
me that has seen me transform.
I am now having permission aswell To follow their heart, and
a lot of them are doing it aswell.
Second part, a second sign.
You'll see, there is love.
We talked about this a lot.
For me, that was the big a howmoment last year.
You have to start with love.
You have to start with love.
You love is the answer.
And again, a, it's about comingfrom a place of compassion,
(42:03):
empathy And anything that comeswith love.
So start with that.
And then, of course, the thirdone would be and this is a
bigger one that we can touch onnext time In the idea that
things let me actually rephrasethat.
It just is meaning that thinkabout everything in your life.
You apply labels, you applyBoxes to pretty much everything
(42:26):
based on what you know.
So something that's good for memight be bad for you, matt, and
vice versa.
But in reality things are justthings Encounters, relationships
.
We label them.
They're not inherently good orbad, they just are.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Thank you so much.
I am glad you said next timeWhile you were talking, because
I believe that we could probablymake this a few podcasts if
you'd be willing to do that.
Absolutely.
Our work pretty closely linedup in what we're trying to do
Maybe not in how we do it, butin what we're trying to do.
So I see us having moreconversations and doing this
(43:04):
more often.
But for now, we will end thisinterview and I thank you so
much, constantine, for being onthe show.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Thank you so much, math, for having me much
appreciated.
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