Secondary Rules
Join legal scholars Ryan Goss and Joshua Neoh as they discuss public law and legal theory in their podcast, Secondary Rules. In each episode, Ryan and Joshua bring to life exciting cases, puzzles, and controversies from Australia and around the world - exploring some of the biggest questions facing any legal system, and the legal questions that define our democracy. Ryan and Joshua are both associate professors at The Australian National University (ANU) College of Law in Canberra, teaching and researching Australian public law and legal theory. Whether you're a lawyer, a law student or just somebody interested in better understanding the legal world around us, Secondary Rules is a must-listen podcast. Season 3: Ten(ish) Big Ideas Season 2: Ten Great Cases. Season 1: Two Great Courses.
Episodes
In our season finale, our 'big idea’ is ‘THE CONSTITUTION’: Joshua and Ryan offer a cruel and unusual discussion of constitutional change, foreign powers, the role of “random” unelected judges, and apologise to our French and Tasmanian listeners.
Our reading for this week:
Breyer and Scalia on Judicial Interpretation
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This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘SOVEREIGNTY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Churchill, Guantanamo Bay, and Australian history.
Our reading for this week:
Churchill’s 'Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat' speech
Carl Schmitt in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Even two world wars could not stop Australians casting their ballots, whether at home or on the battlefield” (Australian War Memorial)
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This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘DEMOCRACY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Ancient Athenian hillsides, marketing scams, Hare Clark with a Robson Rotation, and why Joshua doesn’t trust his neighbours. Our reading for this week:
The Gettysburg Address (1863) | Constitution Center (Lincoln)
How is the UK’s Brexit referendum different from Australian referendums? (Goss)
The Tally Room podcast (Raue)
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This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The State’: Joshua and Ryan talk about mutual protection, whether states need territory, who is on the other side of the breathalyser, and what the French have to learn from giant sea monsters.
Our reading for this week:
Robert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia
Leviathan (Wikipedia)
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This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The Rule of Law’: Joshua and Ryan thinking about chickens and ducks, the laws of cricket, and the mafia; and Joshua offers a few gratuitous reflections on the French.
Further reading for this week:
- Waldron on the rule of law
- Lisa Burton Crawford on the rule of law
- Lon Fuller on King Rex
- Remembering Prof Gardner (1965-2019)
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Secondary Rules returns for a new season! This week, our ‘big idea’ is ‘The People’: Joshua and Ryan thinking about revolutions in France, the US and beyond; why it’s a bad idea to make big decisions on an empty stomach; and how everything comes back to the Parting of the Red Sea.
For more, check out:
Independence National Historic Park, Pennsylvania
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Here’s the long-awaited trailer for the third season of ANU Law’s Secondary Rules podcast — coming soon!
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How a conversation at James Cook University led to the most momentous decision in Australian legal history.
- Read the judgment
- Watch the movie (only accessible via ABC iView in Australia)
- Read an interview with Mabo counsel, Ron Castan
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Water under the bridge, and judges kissing babies, in this episode of Secondary Rules. What business do Courts have thinking about socio-economic rights? Can a Constitution transform a society, and can litigation safeguard a democracy? All this and more as we consider the right to water in the Constitutional Court of South Africa.
The trial that changed the world. A Jewish rabble-rouser came face-to-face with a provincial Roman governor. He was hanged. But his death was not the end. It was just the beginning. Spikenard not included.
- For a cosmic interpretation, see Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ (2004).
- For a comic interpretation, see Monty Python’s Life of Brian(1979).
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‘Directly chosen’ for your enjoyment, this week we look at a case about free speech in a democratic society (and Joshua is a harsh marker of Ryan’s work), all of it ‘unaccompanied by moving images or other vocal sounds’.
- ACTV v Cth(1992)
- “Whither the Implied Freedom of Political Communication?” (2022 paper) Nettle J
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Long live the common law! This week we look at the fascinating Malaysian Federal Court decision in Indira Gandhi v Director of the Islamic Department.
- Indira Gandhi v Director of the Islamic Department(2018, Federal Court of Malaysia)
- J Neoh, Legitimacy of the Common Law in Post-Colonial Malaysia [2010] LAWASIA 59
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Bonjour et bienvenue: how do you change the way a constitution changes, without being sure how to change the constitution? In each episode of Season 2, we tell the story of a great landmark court decision from around the world. This week we look at the fascinating Supreme Court of Canada decision in the Patriation Reference (1981).
- Patriation Reference(Re Resolution to amend the Constitution)(SCC, 1981)
- The Constitution Acts(186...
Ginger beer, the 'nauseating sight' of a snail, the Good Samaritan, and the genius of the common law: it’s all here in the House of Lords’ decision in Donoghue v Stevenson [1932] AC 562.
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In each episode of Season 2, we’ll tell the story of a great landmark court decision from Australia or around the world. This week: terrorism on the streets of Gibraltar and the right to life, in the European Court of Human Rights' decision in McCann and Others v United Kingdom (21 ECHR 97 GC).
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This week, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss delve deep into one of the most pivotal cases in American legal history: Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954). Discover how the case forever changed the landscape of education and civil rights in the United States through its ruling that state laws establishing racial segregation in public schools are unconstitutional.
This week, on a special mini episode of Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk about the Coronation of Australia’s Head of State, King Charles III, which takes place abroad this weekend. Further reading:
- House of Commons Library Guide to the Coronation (2023)
- Australia and the Coronation (Prime Minister and Cabinet)
- Coronation Quiche
- The Coronation Cases of 1902
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This week on the last Secondary Rules for 2022, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk Revelation, revolutions, recidivism, and Rishi.
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- Revelation (c AD 95)
- Garlett v WA (2022)
- Joshua’s new book!
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This week on Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk dual-citizenship and the stripping of “foreign fighters” citizenship, the decline and fall of Liz Truss, and torture in an age of terror.
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This week on Secondary Rules, Joshua Neoh and Ryan Goss talk panopticon and the pandemic, how we get our High Court judges, and offer some generalisations about French philosophers and the US Senate.
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